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[Q] Defy Battery is not charging any more

Hi,
I've updated my Defy to the Chinese 2.21 Firmware a few days ago following this How-To http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=919320 and everything worked fine for a couple of days but now I have strange problems with my battery:
--if I connect the mobile to the power supply nothing happens. The white LED sometimes goes on for a split second but then stays black.
--if i connect the mobile to the computer the white led goes on and it starts charging the battery, but after a few minutes the mobile starts booting by itsself and a few moments after i see the motorola symbol the white LED is going off and the mobile boots up to froyo but it switches itsself off very soon because the battery is low.
Any ideas how to make my mobile usable again?
Thank you

If you got the chance, try a different battery...
i read somewhere that someone had luck with that.

In a few days I will get a second defy from a friend, then i can find out and tell you if it is a problem of the battery, the usb port or the software...

Moto Defy not charging at all
woegel said:
In a few days I will get a second defy from a friend, then i can find out and tell you if it is a problem of the battery, the usb port or the software...
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Hi, Any update on this; My Defy , running on CM7.1 for sometime now is having the exact problem)

me too!!! see here!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2092087

just fixed the same problem
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me too!!! see here!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2092087
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Hi guys,
I`ve just had the same problem with my green lense defy.
basically when you recover using the chinese sbf you get the defy + kernel with it so it becomes a red lense/ defy+ as far as the battery charging is concerned.
So you need to install the battery fix for the red lense or defy+
there's a updated fix for the cm10
copy the zip to your sd card and flash the zip from recovery and all will be well. either via the usb if this is working and you have enough charge left or put the sd card in your card reader or adaptor on pc.
You may need to charge the battery using macguyver method (not more than half an hour and stop if battery starts getting warm or it may go bang.) or preferably 3rd party lion charger £19.99 in maplins at the moment.
just on my way out the door so haven't got time to post the links but easy to find if you search this forum.
good luck

timb138 said:
Hi guys,
I`ve just had the same problem with my green lense defy.
basically when you recover using the chinese sbf you get the defy + kernel with it so it becomes a red lense/ defy+ as far as the battery charging is concerned.
So you need to install the battery fix for the red lense or defy+
there's a updated fix for the cm10
copy the zip to your sd card and flash the zip from recovery and all will be well. either via the usb if this is working and you have enough charge left or put the sd card in your card reader or adaptor on pc.
You may need to charge the battery using macguyver method (not more than half an hour and stop if battery starts getting warm or it may go bang.) or preferably 3rd party lion charger £19.99 in maplins at the moment.
just on my way out the door so haven't got time to post the links but easy to find if you search this forum.
good luck
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Thanks, but I have not used Chinese sbf, regular CM7.2 for my defy ( green lens); With macguyver I got the defy charged up, it boots up and all; Only problem is that anything with the usb is not working, neither charging, nor recognizing ( by RSdLite, Motorola Media link, or Windows). I have been using CM7.2 for months without any problem; Also after charging via macguyver I tried re installing to old backed up Motodefy ROM, and also reinstalled CM7, as I said evertthing works except anything connected to USB, tried also different computers , uninstalled medialink, re-installed RSDLite all the works
will try some more; Any hints links welcome. Thanks

alexcpn said:
Thanks, but I have not used Chinese sbf, regular CM7.2 for my defy ( green lens); With macguyver I got the defy charged up, it boots up and all; Only problem is that anything with the usb is not working, neither charging, nor recognizing ( by RSdLite, Motorola Media link, or Windows). I have been using CM7.2 for months without any problem; Also after charging via macguyver I tried re installing to old backed up Motodefy ROM, and also reinstalled CM7, as I said evertthing works except anything connected to USB, tried also different computers , uninstalled medialink, re-installed RSDLite all the works
will try some more; Any hints links welcome. Thanks
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When the problem starter?? I have the same problem! If I connect the phone to PC the white led turns on but doesn't charge and if I put it in download mode the computer doesn't recognise the phone and give me error 43 even if I have the driver installed.

matrix866 said:
When the problem starter?? I have the same problem! If I connect the phone to PC the white led turns on but doesn't charge and if I put it in download mode the computer doesn't recognise the phone and give me error 43 even if I have the driver installed.
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It started last week, I guess last Tuesday

alexcpn said:
It started last week, I guess last Tuesday
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Sorry I mean why it happened?
Did you do anything?

matrix866 said:
Sorry I mean why it happened?
Did you do anything?
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No did nothing; My son was playing angry birds and battery was down to 3%. Is it possible to install usb drivers for cm7.2 using 2ndInit

alexcpn said:
No did nothing; My son was playing angry birds and battery was down to 3%. Is it possible to install usb drivers for cm7.2 using 2ndInit
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I did not touch the phone for a week I guess aftter this, now it is working; strange

[Q] Motorola Defy Will Not Boot

I flashed a Defy+ rom (2.3.4) on my Defy (MB525), and it worked great. GPS and location finding, however, didn't work. My idea was to flash back to the stock 2.2.1 and restart to get upgraded to a more stable custom Gingerbread rom. The original issue in doing so was that the flash (WajkIUI) was for the MB 526. I was finally able to flash by changing the USB drivers to the MB526 drivers. Much to my dismay, flashing the stock USA TMobile Froyo through RSD Lite (versions 4.6, 4.9, 5.0, 5.3, 5.6) did not work. It will flash, then note it as a "PASS," then the screen on the phone shuts off. I even tried flashing back to the factory stock 2.1 using the same, but to no avail. My phone currently will not turn on at all, though retains the white LED after the power button is pressed if plugged into my PC. I have tried pulling the battery for a few minutes and using the bootloader, but it will not turn on unless connected through the PC. I noticed similar issues in the following threads, and tried the suggested solutions:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1326683
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1011554
Any suggestions would be quite appreciated.
Thanks,
TopoCo

was the battery 80% or more when you started the flashing process? I once flashed my defy525 with 30% and didnt even boot (and it doesnt charge with the charger), i had to do a usb-revive charge to the battery then the flashing process completed.

tpc8dd said:
I flashed a Defy+ rom (2.3.4) on my Defy (MB525), and it worked great. GPS and location finding, however, didn't work. My idea was to flash back to the stock 2.2.1 and restart to get upgraded to a more stable custom Gingerbread rom. The original issue in doing so was that the flash (WajkIUI) was for the MB 526. I was finally able to flash by changing the USB drivers to the MB526 drivers. Much to my dismay, flashing the stock USA TMobile Froyo through RSD Lite (versions 4.6, 4.9, 5.0, 5.3, 5.6) did not work. It will flash, then note it as a "PASS," then the screen on the phone shuts off. I even tried flashing back to the factory stock 2.1 using the same, but to no avail. My phone currently will not turn on at all, though retains the white LED after the power button is pressed if plugged into my PC. I have tried pulling the battery for a few minutes and using the bootloader, but it will not turn on unless connected through the PC. I noticed similar issues in the following threads, and tried the suggested solutions:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1326683
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1011554
Any suggestions would be quite appreciated.
Thanks,
TopoCo
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Hi. I have the same problem, I did something wrong whiles chaging from CM7 to MIUI on my Defy. Now I've lost my recovery mode, and only gets a white lite when I connect the device to my laptop and it says connected after flashing the phone following the thread below:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=933710
My phone is now dead. Any help please?

adolphstone said:
Hi. I have the same problem, I did something wrong whiles chaging from CM7 to MIUI on my Defy. Now I've lost my recovery mode, and only gets a white lite when I connect the device to my laptop and it says connected after flashing the phone following the thread below:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=933710
My phone is now dead. Any help please?
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flash a sdf whit rsd lite

can u please specify which kind of sdf file to use for my phone. it orginally came with android 2.3 T-Mobile. MB525

i have the same problem... i tried every sbf.. none of them work

Try o2 sbf
Sent from my MB526 using XDA App

hi i have the same problem ; i hd flash my defy with android 2.3.5 and after that i was flashed with 2.2.1 so in the RSD flash he does not boot no recovery no boot loader but whin i conect it with rsd flash he rite s flash simply

All of you guys had the same problem. You tried to downgrade to a lower BL, which is not possible (try using fixed SBF method). You should understand that once you flash GB, it's not possible to downgrade to Froyo.
Sent from my MB526 using Tapatalk

[Q] Defy bricked, White led on top, not recognized by Rsdlite

The problem started when i tried to downgrade my defy to CM7.2 from CM10.
First i was getting a problem of "Encryption unsuccessful". i browsed through a lot of threads and decided to use Rsdlite to flash a sbf file.
i tried flashing the Asia retail version.It showed 'Passed" in Rsdlite but i got stuck at the Motorola logo.
i again browsed through a number of threads, watched a few videos, and decided to flash a sbf "DEFYPLUS_U3_4.5.1-134_DFP-231_CEE_ROOTED_No_Signed" (i now realise this was fatal for my phone). (till this point the "SW Update" screen on phone showed the bootloder version to be 9 or 10 (dont exactly remember)). The phone just died after this. It wont start . No Motorola logo, No Recovery Mode, No bootloader mode. It just showed white led when connected to the pc and was not recognized by Rsdlite. i realised that the problem might be Empty Battery.
After this i tried the McGyver method and finally my phone was recognized by the rsdlite.
but now during the SW Update phase the screen doesnt show any bootloader version. and the end result is the same. White light at top, phone doesnt start, no M logo,,,, just a dead brick... another problem is that even after i put in a new battery, rsdlite will only recognise the phone only when i use the McGyver fix.
Please help me..... give me a working sbf file..
i dont want to just give up on this incredible phone...please help....

bhanudude said:
The problem started when i tried to downgrade my defy to CM7.2 from CM10.
First i was getting a problem of "Encryption unsuccessful". i browsed through a lot of threads and decided to use Rsdlite to flash a sbf file.
i tried flashing the Asia retail version.It showed 'Passed" in Rsdlite but i got stuck at the Motorola logo.
i again browsed through a number of threads, watched a few videos, and decided to flash a sbf "DEFYPLUS_U3_4.5.1-134_DFP-231_CEE_ROOTED_No_Signed" (i now realise this was fatal for my phone). (till this point the "SW Update" screen on phone showed the bootloder version to be 9 or 10 (dont exactly remember)). The phone just died after this. It wont start . No Motorola logo, No Recovery Mode, No bootloader mode. It just showed white led when connected to the pc and was not recognized by Rsdlite. i realised that the problem might be Empty Battery.
After this i tried the McGyver method and finally my phone was recognized by the rsdlite.
but now during the SW Update phase the screen doesnt show any bootloader version. and the end result is the same. White light at top, phone doesnt start, no M logo,,,, just a dead brick... another problem is that even after i put in a new battery, rsdlite will only recognise the phone only when i use the McGyver fix.
Please help me..... give me a working sbf file..
i dont want to just give up on this incredible phone...please help....
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Do you have Defy or Defy+? If you have Defy (which lens?), then you just made your phone BL7. Follow this thread and report back - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1889325.
When downgrading from CM10 to CM7.2, always remember to format system and data to ext3 first! I made the same mistake (had the same problem as you), then I followed the above guide.
When the SW update screen comes up, bootloader version doesn't show normally.

hotdog125 said:
Do you have Defy or Defy+? If you have Defy (which lens?), then you just made your phone BL7. Follow this thread and report back - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1889325.
When downgrading from CM10 to CM7.2, always remember to format system and data to ext3 first! I made the same mistake (had the same problem as you), then I followed the above guide.
When the SW update screen comes up, bootloader version doesn't show normally.
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Mine is a Defy (MB525) green lens and not a defy+ (mb526). U sure that i should follow this guide...??
Also i Cant manually power on my device...!!! even if i flash some sbf from the list of sbfs the rsdlite will show pass but i wont be able to power on my phone... help help...

bhanudude said:
Mine is a Defy (MB525) green lens and not a defy+ (mb526). U sure that i should follow this guide...??
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I think you just flashed a bl7 sbf (Defy+) meaning your phone now has Defy+ firmware with green lens. If you've tried everything else and it didn't work, then do that as a last resort. Both CM10 and CM10.1 will work.

hotdog125 said:
I think you just flashed a bl7 sbf (Defy+) meaning your phone now has Defy+ firmware with green lens. If you've tried everything else and it didn't work, then do that as a last resort. Both CM10 and CM10.1 will work.
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Btw, this is the information i get when i connect my phone to my pc through rsdlite...
IMEI/ESN/MEID: N / A
Technology: N / A
Software Version: N / A
Flex Version: N / A
Bootloader Version: v0x000910
DRM Version: N / A
AP Die ID: 04500210611268010000dcff0200
BP Die ID: 0000000000000000000000000000
AP Public ID: 0a637f619605568d5c5aa50534a5bd6f5d743076
BP Public ID: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000

To confirm you've gone to BL7, you can try flashing froyo sbf. There will be a bootloader error. If that's the case then follow that thread and CM10/10.1 or MS2Ginger are the only options I think.

hotdog125 said:
To confirm you've gone to BL7, you can try flashing froyo sbf. There will be a bootloader error. If that's the case then follow that thread and CM10/10.1 or MS2Ginger are the only options I think.
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Thanks a lot Hotdog..!!
my defy is finally alive..!!!
but now its mb526.... so some feature wont work right..?? cn u tell me how to go back to defy from defy+ ???

bhanudude said:
Thanks a lot Hotdog..!!
my defy is finally alive..!!!
but now its mb526.... so some feature wont work right..?? cn u tell me how to go back to defy from defy+ ???
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Yes, the camera won't work since it is green lens. The sbf you flashed in the beginning (DEFYPLUS_U3_4.5.1-134_DFP-231_CEE_ROOTED_No_Signed) made your Defy into Defy+. That sbf was meant to be for Defy+ users.
You cannot go back to Defy. Since your phone is now BL7, you cannot go back to froyo.
So now you can flash MS2Ginger/CM9.1 (by walter79)/CM10/CM10.1 or any 2ndboot ROM. I think you can't install CM7 also.
You can find MS2Ginger,CM10/10.1 ROMs by Googling. Download CM9.1 by walter79 here - http://d-h.st/users/walter79/.

HI, I believe I have the same problem... I tried flashing my defy + with a portuguese version of android 2.3, when I was at 2.3. Now all I have is black screen with white led and it is not recognized by rdslite. As far as I understand I have first charge the battery with McGyver method or other charger, which will make the rdslite recognize the phone, and after that I can flash it with a newer firmware and get it back to life. Is this correct?
Thank you!

lews01 said:
HI, I believe I have the same problem... I tried flashing my defy + with a portuguese version of android 2.3, when I was at 2.3. Now all I have is black screen with white led and it is not recognized by rdslite. As far as I understand I have first charge the battery with McGyver method or other charger, which will make the rdslite recognize the phone, and after that I can flash it with a newer firmware and get it back to life. Is this correct?
Thank you!
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Unless your battery is low do not use McGyver. Use it only as a last resort.
You must have tried to downgrade, which is not possible in Defy+ through RSDLite.

Do you know if there is any way to recover my phone? It is not being recognized by rdslite anymore. While rsdlite was recognizing it I tried flashing with JORDN_U3_97.21.51, but nothing happened.

lews01 said:
Do you know if there is any way to recover my phone? It is not being recognized by rdslite anymore. While rsdlite was recognizing it I tried flashing with JORDN_U3_97.21.51, but nothing happened.
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The usual. Update drivers and RSDLite, make sure you are in bootloader mode. If all else fails, go McGyver and get RSDLite to recognise the phone.

lews01 said:
Do you know if there is any way to recover my phone? It is not being recognized by rdslite anymore. While rsdlite was recognizing it I tried flashing with JORDN_U3_97.21.51, but nothing happened.
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Y U FLASH ECLAIR SBF? You happened to find the retarded Eclair SBF that has a CG version of 5. Make sure that you are in bootloader, then make sure that it is really a low battery problem (either the phone doesn't turn on at all, including regular boot, bootloader or recovery) or it says "battery low, cannot program" in bootloader.

hotdog125 said:
The usual. Update drivers and RSDLite, make sure you are in bootloader mode. If all else fails, go McGyver and get RSDLite to recognise the phone.
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And after that, with firmware should I flash it?
Thanks again!

bhanudude said:
Thanks a lot Hotdog..!!
my defy is finally alive..!!!
but now its mb526.... so some feature wont work right..?? cn u tell me how to go back to defy from defy+ ???
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How did you do that if you can't access the recovery ??????????????

droid_<3er said:
Y U FLASH ECLAIR SBF? You happened to find the retarded Eclair SBF that has a CG version of 5. Make sure that you are in bootloader, then make sure that it is really a low battery problem (either the phone doesn't turn on at all, including regular boot, bootloader or recovery) or it says "battery low, cannot program" in bootloader.
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From my Experience ::
1. cross your fingers :fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed:
2.Use the Mcgyvor's method to get your phone recognized by rsdlite. (Only as a last resort)
3.After that just follow the procedure in Hotdog's Guide ( 2nd or 3rd reply in this thread)
4.After that your phone will become MB526.
5.flash any ROM designed for both 525 and 526
Cheers..!! :goodYou can treat me If you want..

bhanudude said:
From my Experience ::
1. cross your fingers :fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed:
2.Use the Mcgyvor's method to get your phone recognized by rsdlite. (Only as a last resort)
3.After that just follow the procedure in Hotdog's Guide ( 2nd or 3rd reply in this thread)
4.After that your phone will become MB526.
5.flash any ROM designed for both 525 and 526
Cheers..!! :goodYou can treat me If you want..
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Please help!:crying:
I can't find the sbf....the links from here doesn't work http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1618718
Where did you find the sbf??

MikBre said:
Please help!:crying:
I can't find the sbf....the links from here doesn't work http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1618718
Where did you find the sbf??
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You're gonna have to wait, buddy. It says right up on the website: "Quit e-mailing me about "no links" lol ..... there was a HDD failure - links are being recovered (will take some time)."
Right now only the 2012 and 2013 phones are up (etc. Droid Razr, Droid Razr HD, Electrify M, Photon Q).
Unless someone can upload the huge-a** file to some file-sharing service, you're out of luck. Sorry. I don't even have the Defy SBFs anymore.

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You're gonna have to wait, buddy. It says right up on the website: "Quit e-mailing me about "no links" lol ..... there was a HDD failure - links are being recovered (will take some time)."
Right now only the 2012 and 2013 phones are up (etc. Droid Razr, Droid Razr HD, Electrify M, Photon Q).
Unless someone can upload the huge-a** file to some file-sharing service, you're out of luck. Sorry. I don't even have the Defy SBFs anymore.
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Restored my phone :good:
SBF from here
:victory::victory::victory::victory::victory::victory::victory::victory::victory::victory::victory::victory:

Which SBF did you flash, please?

Defy+ (mb526) dead.

My motorola defy + (mb526) does not leave the screen with the red "M" .. I've tried to use RSD to Retail Brazilian sbf, yet he still is not connecting or downloading.
He was in version 4.1.1 (Rom CM10), and when the battery reached 0% he did not want to start, or load.
My Defy came with version 2.3.5 factory.
I tried other threads, but none worked.
Someone help me please.

peozito said:
My motorola defy + (mb526) does not leave the screen with the red "M" .. I've tried to use RSD to Retail Brazilian sbf, yet he still is not connecting or downloading.
He was in version 4.1.1 (Rom CM10), and when the battery reached 0% he did not want to start, or load.
My Defy came with version 2.3.5 factory.
I tried other threads, but none worked.
Someone help me please.
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Search for the McGyver method of charging.

peozito said:
My motorola defy + (mb526) does not leave the screen with the red "M" .. I've tried to use RSD to Retail Brazilian sbf, yet he still is not connecting or downloading.
He was in version 4.1.1 (Rom CM10), and when the battery reached 0% he did not want to start, or load.
My Defy came with version 2.3.5 factory.
I tried other threads, but none worked.
Someone help me please.
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Is it possible to charge through a wall charger while the phone is in stock recovery?

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Is it possible to charge through a wall charger while the phone is in stock recovery?
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No, it does not load at all.
Just using a universal battery only on battery.
If it does not load in the cell, only discharges.

peozito said:
No, it does not load at all.
Just using a universal battery only on battery.
If it does not load in the cell, only discharges.
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You'll have to go McGyver. If I'm correct, you'll need two USB-microUSB cables, one for the charging and one for flashing later.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=892026
Note that this will require hardware modification, so I do not take any responsibility and neither does anyone else if something goes wrong. Good luck. Since you've used a custom ROM already, the service shop will probably see that and charge you extra/not fix anything.

[Q] Motorola defy black screen with white led

hi all i bought defy about a year ago as a second phone from ebay with cm7 installed.last week i purchase another phone and give my 7 years old daughter. however i reset everything and phone turn old version blur mod then stuck on m logo i download rom and sort the problem.
real problem starts now i try to install cm 9 download all required files wiped the phone and install the rom however it didn't restart stuck on black screen and only white led when connected with usb also didn't connect or recognized by rds lite.I found tread battery wake up from i think was ''mggrager'' or something else finally rds recognized the phone and install another sbf but still stays same as black screen and white.i read so many threats on this side or others and each i installed custom roms without clearing cache
battery replaced with replacement battery also original
all drivers installed
it doesn't respond any buttons or usb connection
rds only with battery jump
please help what to do

I'm having the same problem as you are, i believe... I had cm11 (or 10, not sure) installed for about a month now (back in december) .... Went on a trip, and when coming back my phone battery ran out at the airport... I take my phone home, not really giving it much importance, and i noticed it would never charge and/or turn on, and that when I connect it to the pc, nothing happened other than the white led coming on.. RSD won't recognized it...
So i found out i had to charge the battery manually, and used a Universal Charger... Still, no recognition by RSD Lite...
Finally, i found a way:
1. Open RSDLite
2. Connect phone (no battery on it)
3. While holding Power + Vol Up, put the battery in
4. RSD will recognize your phone!
Problem is, it recognizes my MB525 as "S Flash OMAP0360"
And when i try to flash a .sbf i used previously to recover my phone (had bricked it by trying to change ROMs in a sloppy manner), it seems to flash smoothly, but when it's going to reboot the phone, the progress goes up to 100% and then asks me to reboot it manually.. I read somewhere that to fix that i should take the battery out, disconnect the phone, put it back in, and make RSD recognize it like i mentioned before...... and after RSDLite says flashing is PASSED, the phone still won't turn on... I have tried at least three times and gotten the same result... Help?
I don't know if i should make a thread of my own.. i think we have the same problem, and i REALLY need my phone back.. so i guess we could just help each other fixing it somehow....
The SBF i am using (because it helped me save my phone before) is:
JORLA_U3_3.4.2_107-9_SIGNED_USAJORDMR1B25TIGCOLA01E.0R_JORLAFROTIGCOLA_P009_A002_M010_HWp3_WIG146037_Service1FF.sbf
EDIT: Also, i read somewhere that when all you get is the white led (when connecting to PC) it means that your battery is not charged enough for flashing.. ?

i already tried several times this method however no luck i am really not sure what to do any more i think only option try to find latest rom or first rom then try again if any luck will update and give the links

pasha543 said:
i already tried several times this method however no luck i am really not sure what to do any more i think only option try to find latest rom or first rom then try again if any luck will update and give the links
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