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Hello, I just bought an Acer A500, this is my first Android device (I own an iphone 3gs).
But I am very dispointed by its speed. I was hoping it would be as fast and smooth (at least !) as my old iphone 3gs but it's not ... When you scroll a web page it's not smooth, whatever the web browser I tried, even single web page as Google !
The only smooth scrolls are when you use the photo browser or when you scroll through the icons pages. For the rest, even the Android Market app, it's not smooth at all.
So is there any optimisation we can do to let the A500 display everything smoother, or is it just an Android 3.0 problem which may be corrected in a future release ?
Thanks
The coming Android OS 3.1 will be better. The update including the browser stability and smoothness.
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Thanks, I just hope now the 3.1 will come quickly to the A500 and that it will really be smoother ...
My experience with the A500 is very fluid. I find that browsing to be "fast & smooth" as well. So, I'm left scratching my head that your receiving a better browsing experience on a 3GS. Could you upload a video sample on youtube? Some people have reported wifi issues with their device and that could be the culprit to your browsing experience. See if coming in close proximity of your wifi AP improves your browsing experience. If so then search this forum for what others have done to resolve the wifi issue. I am not having an issue so I have not further investigated the wifi issue.
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The browsing experience is a pain in the ass... but that is not from ACER it's from honeycomb...
the stock browser is still unstable and buggy and not support HTML5 and CSS3 as promissed...
and some function supported already by Iphone (field url and email for input do not trigger the good keyboard)
no smooth animation on javascript it s choppy and lost a lot a frame...
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When I say a pain in the ass I mean, only if we want make or build animated javascript website
http://www.thewildernessdowntown.com
this should be SMOOTH...or maybe I expect too much from "high-end" tablet dual-core.
HTML form field url/email
Issue16401 : http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=16401
SenchaMobile.
http://dev.sencha.com/deploy/touch/examples/kitchensink
-- animations ... choppy and not smooth at all...
-- Buttons ... rounded are... weirdly rendered but that is not a real issues from the android, but probably from webkit or more from also sencha methods.. but still
flickering on any page change...
you can see this flickering also when you are on form fields
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I do not mean anything wrong, I said before that Android 3.0 is young and will grow up by time with better and better things to come I love android and I love Acer Tablet, really good products
-- 3.1 --
it's come in this month "confirmed by Acer Thailand" but no final date yet...
So far my disapointment are not same
I just see the UI improvement on Samsung Galaxy 8.6... it's so nice the UI is sweeeeet
the status bar, with the turn on/off many things...
the fast app launcher on the bottom... WoOow sweet...
I hope we will got some flavor of it
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I own 2 tablets Acer A500
I own 2 Liquid Metal S120
You should probably return it. Nobody has yet had these issues, so it might be something wrong with your tablet.
@bec07 : who ?
You and the OP.
It is important to note that not all websites are created equal. I have fast and smooth experiences with some sites and horrible one with others. There are too many variables from code quality, embedded media and offsite advertising, amount of content on a given page etc to truly quantify a 'good' or 'bad' browsing experience.
Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad. Some of it has to do with the browser, some has to do with the page you're loading.
gammaRascal said:
It is important to note that not all websites are created equal. I have fast and smooth experiences with some sites and horrible one with others. There are too many variables from code quality, embedded media and offsite advertising, amount of content on a given page etc to truly quantify a 'good' or 'bad' browsing experience.
Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad. Some of it has to do with the browser, some has to do with the page you're loading.
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Agree, google.com is fast for me, but this site xda is very slow.
I use Dolphin HD browser... faster and more features.
Basicly all tablets are identical at this point. Some thinner, some thicker but only one manufacturer was smart enough to add the full size USB port.
Since the hardware is identical and it really packs quite a punch those issues should not happen. It would be best they check with their retailer or inconspicuously go to try out another A500.
Bec07 said:
Basicly all tablets are identical at this point. Some thinner, some thicker but only one manufacturer was smart enough to add the full size USB port.
Since the hardware is identical and it really packs quite a punch those issues should not happen. It would be best they check with their retailer or inconspicuously go to try out another A500.
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I have 2 tablet and both are identical so I should change all tablet... naaaa don't think so.
I do think the 3.1 will remove some flickering glitch, and smooth maybe the javascript animation and css animation stuff. but for sure some website are poorly coded or got a DOM overloaded that eat the memory.
I do compare Sencha Touch website between iPad 1 and Acer A500... sad that run smoother on the old old iPad rather than on the new A500
but read really, I said the honeycomb and android is still young and buggy and will be better day after day because of the active community and the open mind of the code. do not interpret or miss understand.
It's a fact that browsing is not that smooth that should be, but it's already good.
now have to become the BEST.
(someone told me on the galaxy S II the browser was.... too fast for rendering it's tooooo good, but I didn't check about flickering or else)
I would have to agree with the first post, the web browsing experience is not as nice as iOS in regards to smoothness/scrolling, comapred to my iphone4 and former ipad1, but its not that bad either.
looking forward to 3.1.
sencha was developed with iPhone in mind, that's not really a valid comparison.
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Agree, google.com is fast for me, but this site xda is very slow.
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Just change the theme to xda classic and here you go
Today I checked xoom 3.1 videos on youtube, and I'm still disapointed ...
Browsing the web is faster but still not as smooth as it should be.
And not only the web, also the other apps were not 100% fluid.
I don't know if I will wait until the 3.1 comes to the A500 ... I may sell it quick (only owned for 2 days !) and buy an iPad. And believe it or not : yesterday I have been to the hospital because of an epilleptic crisis I did while using the A500, because of the non-smooth scrollings ...
My point of view is that a pad experience seems magic when it's 100% fluid, without this the pad experience seems not far from a laptop experience, which is not what I was searching for.
New android users always feel that. U can easily change ur the launchers such as Launcher Pro which is very smooth and fast in my opinion. There are tweaks around for you to look for and learn while experiencing Android =)
dizzy33 said:
Hello, I just bought an Acer A500, this is my first Android device (I own an iphone 3gs).
But I am very dispointed by its speed. I was hoping it would be as fast and smooth (at least !) as my old iphone 3gs but it's not ... When you scroll a web page it's not smooth, whatever the web browser I tried, even single web page as Google !
The only smooth scrolls are when you use the photo browser or when you scroll through the icons pages. For the rest, even the Android Market app, it's not smooth at all.
So is there any optimisation we can do to let the A500 display everything smoother, or is it just an Android 3.0 problem which may be corrected in a future release ?
Thanks
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Ipads have had probably What? 50 updates. A500 had one so far. I have the A500 and my wife's has the Ipad. I think I updated my wife Ipad 3 times since Christmas ( hour or longer updates ) Give it some more updates and the A500 will shine. The way both Tablets are now if I had to sell one of them it would be the Ipad. The only thing I like better about my wife's Ipad is, I can plug it directly into our digital camera and get pictures real fast, but you also have to buy the 30.00 adapter to do this and now you have something more to lose and carry around. JM2C
This is the difference with Apple : with Apple it works fine out of the box, of course a few bugs are corrected in firmware updates but these bug do not avoid you to use your pad.
With Android I feel like in the bad days of Windows mobile : you have to wait for the manufacturer promeses before being able to use your pad properly, but most of the time windows mobile devices never worked as expected ... That's the problem of having one operating system for hundred of devices with different hardwares.
I would be very happy to keep my A500 mainly because of the included usb port, but also because of the price and the fact that Android is more "open", if only Acer would have given us a 3.1 release date I would feel better.
Edit : this time it's sure, I will sell it !!! A current bug let me type very slow on the keyboard, this is the last bug I will accept ! Another big problem has been found : the button bar on the bottom of the screen : I often touch it while using the A500 which freezes the screen ....
I guess I will wait for 3 or 4 more years before going back to Android ! For now I'll stay with Apple.
Thanks anyway to all of you !
I'm going to the US tomorrow and planning to buy a galaxy. But some questions remain...
How is the browser speed compared to ipad ? Does flash slows it? And does the widescreen really makes it worse for reading or browsing as I saw in some reviews? I'm an Android fan, but as honeycomb is very recent, I'm actually in a dilemma between them.
I couldn't think in any other site than this to try to help me. Txs in advance!
Here is a comparison just found from Cnet that might interest you between the IPad and Galaxy
http://cnettv.cnet.com/performance-...10-1-vs/9742-1_53-50106505.html?tag=cnetRiver
Thanks man, I will see it
If someone that has or had both tablets could write his opinion, we would be glad also
I can't offer a direct comparison. My indirect comparison is with the iPad 1 and a Transformer.
I kinda like surfing the web a little more on the iPad because of it's 4:3 screen. While both tablets look great when held in landscape and provide ample viewing space for the website. I have tendency of holding a tablet in portrait mode. And the iPad's form factor does a little better here, by not squishing websites as much and being easier to read without having to manually zoom.
It looks like both tablets have great performance from comparison videos I've seen. But the iPad 2 only has 512MB of RAM and the Galaxy Tab 10.1 has 1GB. I imagine the multitasking while web surfing, if it's something you'll be doing, might favor Android more.
CNET did 3 tests where it shows GT performing best at surfing and ipad better at uploading and downloading. But do you know a link with a more detail comparison?
Just did a google search for some more links to look at but may not be what you are aiming at, but here they are......
http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2011/06/15/apple-ipad-2-galaxy-tab-10-1-comparison-battle-video/
http://www.pcworld.com/article/229763/samsung_galaxy_tab_101_wifi_a_worthy_rival_to_the_ipad_2.html
http://www.techhew.com/gadgets/apple-ipad-2-vs-samsung-galaxy-tab-10-1/
SR45 said:
Here is a comparison just found from Cnet that might interest you between the IPad and Galaxy
http://cnettv.cnet.com/performance-...10-1-vs/9742-1_53-50106505.html?tag=cnetRiver
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That test is really flawed. First off, you need to run multiple tests and average, particularly when you have two devices sharing a wifi connection. Even though the Samsung did better in the browser test, that test was a bit skewed. It appears that flash was enabled, which the ipad isn't capable of. If flash were disabled to compare apples to apples, the samsung should do even better. Downloading an app isn't a good comparison because they aren't even downloading from the same site: one would come from the Apple app store, while the other from Google. Lastly, for uploading, they said they were uploading pictures taken from each pad's respective cameras. The Samsung has a higher rez camera, so I would presume it would be a larger file. Either way, chances are slim the files are the same size.
Exactly! I thought the same, this test didn't tell anything !
3.1 made the browser much much better than it used to be. However, having said that it still has a long long way to go. The ipad 2 browser is hands down much faster, but also without flash. There is an insane amount of keyboard lag while using the browser on the gt almost to the point of it being unbearable (or forcing a restart).
I never understood those tests saying the honeycomb browser was faster than an ipad, mine is always much slower.
And what about the mobile/desktop view. Is there a option to view in desktope mode or its default is the mobile view?
The GT 7 inches always try to load in mobile view, whereas the HTC has a option to enable or disable mobile view.
But I can't remember having seen a review about this...anyone could help us?
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And what about the mobile/desktop view. Is there a option to view in desktope mode or its default is the mobile view?
The GT 7 inches always try to load in mobile view, whereas the HTC has a option to enable or disable mobile view.
But I can't remember having seen a review about this...anyone could help us?
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In default the browser identifies itself as Android. Most websites recognize this as Android Mobile and will show you the mobile website. To make it clear, this is a problem with websites, not Honeycomb.
It is possible to change how the stock browser identifies itself, type about:debug in address line and press enter (nothing will happen), then open browser Settings and you will see Debug options, there you can change it to desktop.
This works on Xoom so i assume it also works on GT10.1. On Android 3.1 this setting is remembered.
Ok, thanks, I
'll try this
This was bugging me last night. Ill try it out when I get home. Thanks
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Check out the video on verge review, the multitasking is horribly slow and painful to watch. Can someone verify the performance of multitasking?
http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/15/3243546/samsung-galaxy-note-10-1-review
I also wanted to check with people who has the Note 10.1 if the device is actually so slow.
Verge video: http://youtu.be/sNkKc81Ug34?t=2m50s
Start at 2:50 to check how much it lags. Can someone try the same in his note and reply.
cheers!
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I also wanted to check with people who has the Note 10.1 if the device is actually so slow.
Verge video: http://youtu.be/sNkKc81Ug34?t=2m50s
Start at 2:50 to check how much it lags. Can someone try the same in his note and reply.
cheers!
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I just tried exactly what you see in the youtube video.
Yes, there is a little little Lag, but not as horrible as it was shown there.
There was a little system update, the first time i started my Note. Maybe this fixed it.
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Yes, there is a little little Lag, but not as horrible as it was shown there.
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It's lag in the sense that it takes a second initially for what you've written to be displayed. It captures what you're doing immediately the lag is in having it appear. There's some bugs in the s/w because there's a hell of a lot going on behind the scenes that's never been implemented before. Hopefully Samsung cleans them up with updates.
The Verge was pretty tough on the Note. TW is a love/hate proposition and if you hate it you really should skip the Note completely. It's what's tying everything together so you'll lose multi-view and other features if you run a vanilla ROM. I do disagree with their conclusion that's it's a Tab 2 with a pen. It's nothing like the original G-Tab in performance, the display, version of TW, materials, or feel in the hand. I have them side-by-side and you really notice a difference (for the better). Bottom line is if you're not in to the benefits of multi-view or the S-Pen and just want to use the Note like a typical Android tablet it may not be the best choice. Especially at a starting price of $499.
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It's lag in the sense that it takes a second initially for what you've written to be displayed. It captures what you're doing immediately the lag is in having it appear. There's some bugs in the s/w because there's a hell of a lot going on behind the scenes that's never been implemented before. Hopefully Samsung cleans them up with updates.
The Verge was pretty tough on the Note. TW is a love/hate proposition and if you hate it you really should skip the Note completely. It's what's tying everything together so you'll lose multi-view and other features if you run a vanilla ROM. I do disagree with their conclusion that's it's a Tab 2 with a pen. It's nothing like the original G-Tab in performance, the display, version of TW, materials, or feel in the hand. I have them side-by-side and you really notice a difference (for the better). Bottom line is if you're not in to the benefits of multi-view or the S-Pen and just want to use the Note like a typical Android tablet it may not be the best choice. Especially at a starting price of $499.
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More like a millisec in lag.
You know, those guys of the Verge did some kind of silly gestures and they did it so fast... I don't think anybody will do that kind of stuff in a regular use...
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iZan23 said:
You know, those guys of the Verge did some kind of silly gestures and they did it so fast... I don't think anybody will do that kind of stuff in a regular use...
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They drew squiggles and tried scrolling the browser up and down. If that's too extreme for the Note, then that's pretty sad.
Jellybean will fix all that and make it smooth like butter.
"Project apple" in order to get the same smoothenss as ipad..
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Verge is basically an apple fellatio shop. I think they'd lose half their audience if they had a bad review of an apple product or a good review of any apple competitors.
For example:
Galaxy S3 = 8.5
iPad = 9.3
One X = 8.4
Macbook Air: 8.8
Thinkpad X1 carbon: 7.5
upperkingjr said:
Jellybean will fix all that and make it smooth like butter.
"Project apple" in order to get the same smoothenss as ipad..
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but this will take some time for an update i think
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Can you write on one side (using SPen) and scroll a web page on the other side (with a finger), in the same time?
Thx.
Yes and no. It is true that when having applications side by side the context switch takes a moment. But it doesn't feel like the tablet can't keep up. In fact if you use a floating S-Note window there's none of this lag. Even if you have several floating windows plus a floating video plus two applications side by side the tablet is still totally responsive. There seems to be plenty of horsepower, so it's unclear why there is this delay with side by side context switch.
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Can you write on one side (using SPen) and scroll a web page on the other side (with a finger), in the same time?
Thx.
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Yes and no. It is true that when having applications side by side the context switch takes a moment. But it doesn't feel like the tablet can't keep up. In fact if you use a floating S-Note window there's none of this lag. Even if you have several floating windows plus a floating video plus two applications side by side the tablet is still totally responsive. There seems to be plenty of horsepower, so it's unclear why there is this delay with side by side context switch.
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Can you? Please, test this.
df1tn said:
Yes and no. It is true that when having applications side by side the context switch takes a moment. But it doesn't feel like the tablet can't keep up. In fact if you use a floating S-Note window there's none of this lag. Even if you have several floating windows plus a floating video plus two applications side by side the tablet is still totally responsive. There seems to be plenty of horsepower, so it's unclear why there is this delay with side by side context switch.
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I agree with this. Playing a 1080P MKV video in Pop up play and resizing it and moving it around the screen causes absolutely no lag or stuttering. I'm guessing (hoping) that any lag that's happening in side-by-side views will be corrected via updates. It's certainly not the h/w (CPU and/or RAM) that's causing it.
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Can you? Please, test this.
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Yes and no again. Only one window receives input at a given time. However, both applications do run simultaneously. E.g. if you have flash video running in the browser window and you switch to the note window the flash video will continue playing without stuttering when you scribble in the note window. There is a blue line at the bottom of the window that currently receives input.
BTW the verge guy also missed the fact that the keyboard can indeed be switched to handwriting (or voice)
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Jellybean will fix all that and make it smooth like butter.
"Project apple" in order to get the same smoothenss as ipad..
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I hope so, but if there's one thing I've learned about mobile devices over the last couple of years, it's this: **Never buy a device on the promise of future software updates.**
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I hope so, but if there's one thing I've learned about mobile devices over the last couple of years, it's this: **Never buy a device on the promise of future software updates.**
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Very true. Never get a product thinking about future upgrades. I wonder how XDA devs would make use of the S-Pen in their customer roms.
Samsung promised today, at the NYC conference, that n8000 will recive JB.
I wanted to get the tablet, but I am not very sure now.
I will probably wait for 2nd version as I think it could have been much better. I don't want 7-inchers like Nexus7 which basically is just a e-reader with Tegra3. I think they couldn't optimize the software yet. And A15 SoCs like Exynos 5 is very near, I think it would be foolish to spend on even a quad core A9. Very much interested on the new midgard T604 GPU.
I am also pissed about some of their product design philosophy:
1. Why replace the default mail client?
2. PCWorld mentioned that you can't attach anything in outgoing gmail messages. The only attachment option there is for the Gallery, which means that you can't take notes (or create a document in the Polaris Office app) and then send it via your Gmail account anywhere else. What kind of screwed-up policy is that?
3. S Planner instead of default calendar. When google already creates something for you, why change it when you can't make it better? You waste time and money to develop something which is worse than the free app you receive from google? What sort of product managers approve such thing?
4. Those icons that Samsung uses look so cartoonish now. It's been a long time now, I think we deserve a change in basic layout. They should bring something fresh, it's just so stale. I am not going to compare to Sense 4/4.1 as it's a totally different discussion.
5. Why have so many useless widgets when I see it is causing a lag. There is obvious drop is framerate when there are many widgets in the homescreen.
6. Display resolution is not on my top priority, but would be for many other people.
7. Someone drop that fuc^^ng blip-blip sound. I know we should be able to disable it. My point is why have something which is irritating for many people.
Don't Samsung take feedback from users or from forums? Ok, so you want to skin the device and differentiate it, fine. We can get the idea behind having their own identity and their own apps. But what is the point to use inferior choice when you have something clearly better available for free? You don't want to use stock. Ok, good. then make something more refined. I was so excited about the S-Pen. It looks good, S-Note also looks very decent. But some other things don't look so promising.
/big rant
On the Engadget review
Mutlitasking seems fast. and they taxed the processor with a lot of windows open.
the verge is very biased site. If it is not an apple product forget it.
even when the theverge authors were at engadget same ****, they were biased.
even slashgear multitasking is way way faster than theverge
Perfectly smooth scrolling web pages are something that I've become accustomed to with the Ipad's I've had while waiting for a decent Android tablet. I thought the Nexus 10 would finally offer the smoothness of the Ipad with 4.2 and the awesome Exynos processor. Sadly, I can't find a browser that is nearly as smooth as Safari on the Ipad. I tried every browser I could find in the Market and even rooted and installed the AOSP browser. The AOSP browser is the best, but on image heavy sites, it still stutters.
Am I the only one that is bothered by this?
Why can the Nexus 10 run graphic heavy games at 30-40 fps but can't render a damn webpage with static graphics smoothly?
Also, I've found quite a few apps don't have smooth scrolling, but I suspect poor coding is causing the issue on them, even though knowing the cause doesn't help that that they are still inferior to their Ipad counterparts.
I don't want to go back to an Ipad! Will custom ROMs, kernels and OCing smooth it out?
The reason certain browsers including Chrome "stutter" is because of how it's coded. I've been using boat browser and I have no stutter issues or smoothness problems. Which other browsers have you tried other than aosp browser?
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I don't think browsers are optimized for the Nexus 10 or Android 4.2 just yet, hell, I don't think 4.2 or the Nexus 10 drivers are fully optimized at this time, but what I'm seeing of Dolphin and Boat Browser in the following video is pretty darn good, skip to 10 and 20 minutes.
Performance issues on this tablet are very likely software optimization issues and will be fixed eventually. Don't believe all the bad press that makes up stuff as they go along by saying the Exynos chip can't handle the resolution. That's garbage, and shows a pretty big misunderstanding of the processor/GPU. What amazes me is that even major tech sites with people who should know what they are talking about are saying it, and it drives me nuts.
The tablet has been out for less than a week. Developers need time to catch up, including Google with Chrome. If you look at the history of Nexus devices, they have always shipped with software issues, including very blatant issues that should have been fixed before release. The beauty of owning a Nexus however is that bug fixes come right from Google...no waiting on an OEM to deliver them.
A lot of the same issues were leveled against the Nexus 7, and after a couple of OTAs things have been greatly improved, and now everyone loves that tablet. Give it time. Things will get better.
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Performance issues on this tablet are very likely software optimization issues and will be fixed eventually. Don't believe all the bad press that makes up stuff as they go along by saying the Exynos chip can't handle the resolution. That's garbage, and shows a pretty big misunderstanding of the processor/GPU. What amazes me is that even major tech sites with people who should know what they are talking about are saying it, and it drives me nuts.
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Google is partially to blame, they handed out a pre-release stuttery models to reviewers after all. Things are better since the 13th update, but Chome is still doing the Nexus 10 a great disservice. Let's see how sites such as GSM and PhoneArena who patiently waited for the final model judge it, I think it's safe to say first impressions mean a lot, and they are testing units with fresh SW, multi-user accounts and performance improvements out of the box. Of course, as you said, there's plenty of performance still to come, and I can't wait to get mine!
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The reason certain browsers including Chrome "stutter" is because of how it's coded. I've been using boat browser and I have no stutter issues or smoothness problems. Which other browsers have you tried other than aosp browser?
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Thanks for the rationale responses so far. Google is really shooting themselves in the foot with the lack of polish on Chrome, Android, etc. They are doing well overall, but just think of how good they could be doing with a few improvments to user experience here and there! Hire the programmers to make it happen Google!
I tried the Boat Browser and it was decent but not buttery smooth like Safari on the Ipad. I'll reinstall it and post a youtube video of the stutter tonight when I get home.
Boat Browser is the best. Safari might be a bit smoother but that is because you can't scroll as fast as Boat and Dolphin. Scroll it at the same speed for both if your hands is steady enough to slow scroll boat and you will see it is the same ****.
Don't let the i-tricks fool you by hiding stutter with animation and masking page load speeds with both a load bar and a background image loading spin wheel.
Also, after using some of the features on Boat, such as the screen shot and auto scroll top of the page or bottom of the page touch icon, you will never use another browser.
Have you tried Dolphin with Dolphin Jetpack addon? Just make sure you turn on jetpack in Dolphin setting. It's off by default.
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Chrome sucks. End of story. But it's not like the iPad is perfect either. I just browsed on my sisters iPad 4. It was quite a nice experience, I can't deny that, but there was some tiny lag on sites like Engadget and Android police
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slide83 said:
Thanks for the rationale responses so far. Google is really shooting themselves in the foot with the lack of polish on Chrome, Android, etc. They are doing well overall, but just think of how good they could be doing with a few improvments to user experience here and there! Hire the programmers to make it happen Google!
I tried the Boat Browser and it was decent but not buttery smooth like Safari on the Ipad. I'll reinstall it and post a youtube video of the stutter tonight when I get home.
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I don't think you'll see Android be as smooth as iOS anytime soon. They are fundamentally different architectures and I think Google will likely stick with what they have in Android and wait for the hardware to catch up. Hardware was finally catching up starting with this generation but the large jump in resolution presents a *slight* setback in performance.
9 times out of 10 Jellybean is smooth enough for me. It is much better than it was in the past.
As for Chrome:
Like I've stated before, most of the development effort going into Chrome for Android for the last 6 months has been to upstream and open the source code rather than on performance and bugs. This is why Android is still on Chrome 18 while other platforms are on 24. There are several bug fixes that we'll get once they release Chrome 24 or 25 for Android, including a bug that makes Chrome laggy to scroll busy webpages.
Once Chrome is fully upstreamed, which looks like it might be for Chrome 25, it will then also be fully open source. This means we have make our own builds and do it as frequently as we want. Additionally, it is likely that we will see a much faster pace of development for Chrome as well.
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Thanks for the rationale responses so far. Google is really shooting themselves in the foot with the lack of polish on Chrome, Android, etc. They are doing well overall, but just think of how good they could be doing with a few improvments to user experience here and there! Hire the programmers to make it happen Google!
I tried the Boat Browser and it was decent but not buttery smooth like Safari on the Ipad. I'll reinstall it and post a youtube video of the stutter tonight when I get home.
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As others have said, software optimization is key. The biggest issue is that they are dealing with a new SoC, so there is more involved than just CPU and GPU coding. Almost all Android hardware has been Tegra so far, so that code is certainly mature at this point. Comparisons at this stage can be unreasonable in some cases. While the Exynos 4 series has been in use in the Note 10.1, but the 5250 has a new core -- the A15, which no one has experience with AFAIK -- new GPU, new memory architecture... Also, it's possible that Samsung wrote the drivers for the Note 10.1 while Google is taking responsibility for the N10.
So, my point is twofold:
Firmware development for this platform is at an early stage of maturity.
Optimization will be complex and won't be as easy as writing a few simple patches.
I think it will take some time for this new platform to reach its potential. The early adopters, as always, will have to be patient. I hope that gives you some reassurance that your N10 will still meet or exceed your expectations... in time.
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Perfectly smooth scrolling web pages are something that I've become accustomed to with the Ipad's I've had while waiting for a decent Android tablet. I thought the Nexus 10 would finally offer the smoothness of the Ipad with 4.2 and the awesome Exynos processor. Sadly, I can't find a browser that is nearly as smooth as Safari on the Ipad. I tried every browser I could find in the Market and even rooted and installed the AOSP browser. The AOSP browser is the best, but on image heavy sites, it still stutters.
Am I the only one that is bothered by this?
Why can the Nexus 10 run graphic heavy games at 30-40 fps but can't render a damn webpage with static graphics smoothly?
Also, I've found quite a few apps don't have smooth scrolling, but I suspect poor coding is causing the issue on them, even though knowing the cause doesn't help that that they are still inferior to their Ipad counterparts.
I don't want to go back to an Ipad! Will custom ROMs, kernels and OCing smooth it out?
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I have been an Android user for two years and in my honest opinion this is as good as it gets with it. There is something historically wrong with the core of Android where a game like Modern Combat 3 can look as smooth as silk, but browsing just feels like its being pushed to its limit.
A friend of mine this week bought himself a 32GB Nexus 7. I rushed round to have a play and was disappointed when trying out Chrome and Opera Mobile with these XDA forums. The Nexus 7 sported a quad-core processor and still browsing at times felt awkward and reluctant. It looked like the framerate wasn't right or the resolution was too much to handle. And that's with the latest update to Jelly Bean.
I did raise a similar issue with my Galaxy Tab 2 7" here and before anyone beheads me I had already flashed it with CM9 final. As I stated NOVA 3 was slick as oil, but browsing with Stock Browser, Opera Mobile and Chrome was making my eyes jump like mad. It looked like Chrome was trying to get around it by only rendering half the screen and then a split second later displaying the rest.
My niece's iPad 2 really impressed me when browsing on the XDA forums. The same pages I browsed on the Nexus 7 were scrolling as good as on a PC. Any comment that Android browsers scroll faster and therefore make the iPad look smoother is full of it. It was fast and it was smooth.
This will be last journey with Android. But that doesn't mean I'm gonna turn into an Apple user and get mugged off by paying ridiculous prices for a piece of their overinflated kit. My current smartphone and tablet will be with me for the next few years to come as the wow factor with all these mobile devices is disappearing, I'm afraid.
Easiest fix is ocean browser. Till they work out the kinks of chrome mobile/tablet version.
Also anyone saying safari on the ipads don't stutter are wrong they certainly do, perhaps not as often as chrome but it does happen. We use the gen 3's at work.
However to say there wasn't any conceivable improvement from Donut to JB I do find strange as I certainly did.
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Perfectly smooth scrolling web pages are something that I've become accustomed to with the Ipad's I've had while waiting for a decent Android tablet. I thought the Nexus 10 would finally offer the smoothness of the Ipad with 4.2 and the awesome Exynos processor. Sadly, I can't find a browser that is nearly as smooth as Safari on the Ipad. I tried every browser I could find in the Market and even rooted and installed the AOSP browser. The AOSP browser is the best, but on image heavy sites, it still stutters.
Am I the only one that is bothered by this?
Why can the Nexus 10 run graphic heavy games at 30-40 fps but can't render a damn webpage with static graphics smoothly?
Also, I've found quite a few apps don't have smooth scrolling, but I suspect poor coding is causing the issue on them, even though knowing the cause doesn't help that that they are still inferior to their Ipad counterparts.
I don't want to go back to an Ipad! Will custom ROMs, kernels and OCing smooth it out?
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totally agree. for something that has great specs, its dissapointing to see it stutter when loading webpages. my ipad had lower specs compared to this and it was smoother by a mile than the nexus. i think thats the trade off for buying sometor buying something about to Mike about you can talk to my phone but they hired mejust too ****ing hi Billy.
okay the last part was typed using the voice and it sucks too.lol
Chrome currently really has its problems, but keep in mind that as dalingrin said, the mobile chrome version is 18 while the desktop version sits at 23. So there has been a lot of effort put into porting everything from desktop to android rather than bugfixing and polishing. The android version will catch up early next year: http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...s-including-android-starting-early-next-year/
In the meantime I recommend using the android stock browser. Its extremly fast and fluid and even supports flash.
I have a Asus tf700 (infinity). I have been less than pleased with the browser experience. I would like to know how the Nexus 10 compares.
If any of you N10 owners could load the page below and post your experience, i would really appreciate it.
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/18/creating-the-windows-8-user-experience.aspx
Wait for the page to completely load then and start scrolling. Does the browser keep up with your scrolling? If so how fast can you scroll?
My tf700 cannot keep up with anything more than an a really slow scroll. My laptop has no problem keeping up with any scroll speed.
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I have a Asus tf700 (infinity). I have been less than pleased with the browser experience. I would like to know how the Nexus 10 compares.
If any of you N10 owners could load the page below and post your experience, i would really appreciate it.
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/18/creating-the-windows-8-user-experience.aspx
Wait for the page to completely load then and start scrolling. Does the browser keep up with your scrolling? If so how fast can you scroll?
My tf700 cannot keep up with anything more than an a really slow scroll. My laptop has no problem keeping up with any scroll speed.
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Nope. Doesn't keep up at all using AOSP browser. What a ginormous webpage though.
I would just like to pint out that a laptop and a tablet are VERY different things. The performance gap is quite large. THink of it like this: Have you seen benchmarks for an Intel Atom processor vs say, a Core 2 Duo? A Core2 in itself is a quite old processor and slow compared to any modern processor already, yet the Core 2 smashes the Atom in performance. Now look at the Atom vs the newest, latest and greatest ARM A15. They are about tied overall, with the A15 coming out on top by a little bit in the more common end-user tasks. So if the A15 barely holds its own against an incredibly slow Intel processor, how do you expect a tablet to keep up with a laptop that has an actual "desktop grade" processor in it?
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I would just like to pint out that a laptop and a tablet are VERY different things. The performance gap is quite large. THink of it like this: Have you seen benchmarks for an Intel Atom processor vs say, a Core 2 Duo? A Core2 in itself is a quite old processor and slow compared to any modern processor already, yet the Core 2 smashes the Atom in performance. Now look at the Atom vs the newest, latest and greatest ARM A15. They are about tied overall, with the A15 coming out on top by a little bit in the more common end-user tasks. So if the A15 barely holds its own against an incredibly slow Intel processor, how do you expect a tablet to keep up with a laptop that has an actual "desktop grade" processor in it?
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As much as I want to support your argument, I'm currently typing this on an old Intel Atom processor (which the A15 destroys). I opened that web page and it scrolls perfectly fine at any speed.
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I have been less than pleased with the browser experience. I would like to know how the Nexus 10 compares.
Wait for the page to completely load then and start scrolling. Does the browser keep up with your scrolling? If so how fast can you scroll?
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It's hard to judge what your poor experience is without an example. In my opinion the AOSP browser on my N10 keeps up great at a skim-able scrolling pace (say you're scrolling through 1-2 screens worth of posts at a time).
If you're just flicking down the page as fast as you can at an un-viewable pace then yeah the browser goes mostly blank during the scrolling but then is pretty snappy to display the current page once it arrives at the scroll destination.
Dolphin w/ Jetpack can inconsistently keep up with farther scrolls but it's with low res image until it fully catches up.
Ologn said:
I have a Asus tf700 (infinity). I have been less than pleased with the browser experience. I would like to know how the Nexus 10 compares.
If any of you N10 owners could load the page below and post your experience, i would really appreciate it.
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/18/creating-the-windows-8-user-experience.aspx
Wait for the page to completely load then and start scrolling. Does the browser keep up with your scrolling? If so how fast can you scroll?
My tf700 cannot keep up with anything more than an a really slow scroll. My laptop has no problem keeping up with any scroll speed.
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I'm currently rooted but running stock ROM and chrome. I can scroll much faster than I can possibly read and it seems pretty smooth. Having owned the Infinity prior to this device, I understand how poorly the ASUS tablet browses the web. The performance of Chrome is night and day between these two tablets. I owned my infinity for two months and nothing I did ever made web browsing as enjoyable as it is for me on the Nexus 10.
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I would just like to pint that a laptop and a tablet are VERY different things. The performance gap is quite large. THink of it like this: Have you seen benchmarks for an Intel Atom processor vs say, a Core 2 Duo? A Core2 in itself is a quite old processor and slow compared to any modern processor already, yet the Core 2 smashes the Atom in performance. Now look at the Atom vs the newest, latest and greatest ARM A15. They are about tied overall, with the A15 coming out on top by a little bit in the more common end-user tasks. So if the A15 barely holds its own against an incredibly slow Intel processor, how do you expect a tablet to keep up with a laptop that has an actual "desktop grade" processor in it?
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Guess i should have been a bit more clear. The only reason i mentioned my laptop was to offer proof that there is no error in the page that might otherwise slow the scrolling of the page.
Also if anyone knows good test pages, and can post their experience with said page, it would be helpful also.
I'm not wanting put down any tabby, i just want to know if the browsing experience on the n10 is better than the tf700. I'm a power web surfer on my tabby and i want the best possible experience. If the n10 does it better i will be switching. Right now, with a custom ROM and browser2ram the tf700 is good for browsing but the page above has problems. If the n10 doesn't have problems, well then its just one more reason to switch.
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I'm currently rooted but running stock ROM and chrome. I can scroll much faster than I can possibly read and it seems pretty smooth. Having owned the Infinity prior to this device, I understand how poorly the ASUS tablet browses the web. The performance of Chrome is night and day between these two tablets. I owned my infinity for two months and nothing I did ever made web browsing as enjoyable as it is for me on the Nexus 10.
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Oh wow. Chrome actually does something right. I just tested the webpage with Chrome and while you do see it rendering the fonts, it does it before you can actually read it (basically before it stops scrolling). Interesting!
It's completely readable with Chrome at its fastest scrolling (the scrolling is kind of slow compared to AOSP browser though).
Can't comment on nexus 10 but on the 7 I can scroll very quickly with stock chrome. Only goes blank if I start flicking through nonstop, but for scrolling the browser kept up at a pace far above "skimming through" speed. So I would imagine the 10 would provide an least an equal experience using same browser.
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I can confirm that about Chrome as well. It does limit scrolling pace vs the other browsers (still faster than you could interpret) but it does keep the text displayed at all times at a lower resolution. It converts to the beautiful crispness quickly at scroll destination.
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As much as I want to support your argument, I'm currently typing this on an old Intel Atom processor (which the A15 destroys). I opened that web page and it scrolls perfectly fine at any speed.
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my mistake. I must have been remembering an ARM9 or something.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6422/samsung-chromebook-xe303-review-testing-arms-cortex-a15/6
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my mistake. I must have been remembering an ARM9 or something.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6422/samsung-chromebook-xe303-review-testing-arms-cortex-a15/6
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It's cool. It's understandable which is why I said "As much as I want to support your argument."
AOSP browser sucks at something that Chrome doesn't. I'm thinking it has to do with HTML5. Anyway, obviously there isn't a perfect browser out there, but I would recommend Chrome which isn't THAT bad as people say it is if you do get the N10. Judging from how well it loaded that page, it's doing something right.
Can scroll as fast as possible @60fps and no checker boarding on Dolphin Beta. On Chrome scrolling is perfect for all but the fastest scrolling. Both perform much better on the Nexus 10 than they did on my infinity.
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