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Im actually leaning towards the 3g tab but now i can confirm that both have an exynos engine .
international version has slower 3g but with voice capability
US version has the faster LTE but without voice but i can still use GV for voice calls + it has the IR blaster.
so which one is better now i need to buy one now please help me decide. Also can i use the Straight Talk sim card on the lte tab?
mywingtophone said:
Im actually leaning towards the 3g tab but now i can confirm that both have an exynos engine .
international version has slower 3g but with voice capability
US version has the faster LTE but without voice but i can still use GV for voice calls + it has the IR blaster.
so which one is better now i need to buy one now please help me decide. Also can i use the Straight Talk sim card on the lte tab?
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Depends on carrier preference and LTE availability
Verizon 3G is ridiculously slow and you lose voice capability however, you do get IR port for universal remote app
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Depends on carrier preference and LTE availability
Verizon 3G is ridiculously slow and you lose voice capability however, you do get IR port for universal remote app
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Wait, only the Verizon LTE version has the IR blaster? Not the international version?
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Wait, only the Verizon LTE version has the IR blaster? Not the international version?
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it looks like it. One reason why i didn't get the international version because this is going to be sitting at home most of the time except when i'm traveling
Verizon LTE = Carrier locked, bloated up, no phone functionality, less community support, not too much of a cost difference, works as a universal remote with IR blaster.
Unlocked 3G = Works with just about any GSM carrier (though T-Mobile 3G not compatible), free of carrier bloat, double's as a phone, currently goes for about $650 on Negri, works as a universal remote with RedEye Remote. BONUS: RedEye Remote will continue to work with future devices when you decide to eventually replace the 7.7, as well as working with all your existing Android/iOS devices as well.
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Verizon LTE = Carrier locked, bloated up, no phone functionality, less community support, not too much of a cost difference, works as a universal remote with IR blaster.
Unlocked 3G = Works with just about any GSM carrier (though T-Mobile 3G not compatible), free of carrier bloat, double's as a phone, currently goes for about $650 on Negri, works as a universal remote with RedEye Remote. BONUS: RedEye Remote will continue to work with future devices when you decide to eventually replace the 7.7, as well as working with all your existing Android/iOS devices as well.
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Hmmmmm that really make sence now i want an unlocked tab 7.7!!!!!
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Verizon LTE = Carrier locked, bloated up, no phone functionality, less community support, not too much of a cost difference, works as a universal remote with IR blaster.
Unlocked 3G = Works with just about any GSM carrier (though T-Mobile 3G not compatible), free of carrier bloat, double's as a phone, currently goes for about $650 on Negri, works as a universal remote with RedEye Remote. BONUS: RedEye Remote will continue to work with future devices when you decide to eventually replace the 7.7, as well as working with all your existing Android/iOS devices as well.
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i think logitech has a similar product as well.
Also one thing missing from your post is the LTE data speed vs HSPA+ on AT&T. LTE is much more reliable and faster but the coverage is limited to metropolitan area
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i think logitech has a similar product as well.
Also one thing missing from your post is the LTE data speed vs HSPA+ on AT&T. LTE is much more reliable and faster but the coverage is limited to metropolitan area
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LTE will be faster.
But with my 7.7 and ATT service I am averaging 6-9mb download speeds. Which is plenty fast for me.
LTE for the Win !
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i think logitech has a similar product as well.
Also one thing missing from your post is the LTE data speed vs HSPA+ on AT&T. LTE is much more reliable and faster but the coverage is limited to metropolitan area
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To be honest, I'm not really sold on the whole LTE thing. I mean, sure it's fast and reliable and all, which is great, but while throttling, caps, and other limits still exist, the benefits of LTE are kinda rendered useless to me...
It's like saying, "Here! You can drive this supercar as fast as you want!!*"
*Up to a certain point, at which time you have to reduce your speed to a crawl, or be charged $10 more for every mile past that point...
Really? Wow, no thanks. I'm good.
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To be honest, I'm not really sold on the whole LTE thing. I mean, sure it's fast and reliable and all, which is great, but while throttling, caps, and other limits still exist, the benefits of LTE are kinda rendered useless to me...
It's like saying, "Here! You can drive this supercar as fast as you want!!*"
*Up to a certain point, at which time you have to reduce your speed to a crawl, or be charged $10 more for every mile past that point...
Really? Wow, no thanks. I'm good.
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My (fairly limited) experience with both AT&T's and Verizon's LTE networks has been pretty good, actually. It's not about 30+ Mbps downloads, but about landline-level latency. HSPA+ is plenty fast in terms of raw throughput--realistically getting 5-6Mbps regularly is more than enough for loading images off webpages or youtube clips. However, I found LTE to be much more responsive on top of being faster--though it's possible this is as much a function of newer, less-congested networks as of LTE itself. Still, I think you could fool me into thinking that an LTE connection was, in fact, a landline, whereas the latency involved in every webpage load over HSPA+ would never pass muster.
Throttling/bandwidth caps are another issue entirely, but I'm not looking to go on a jihad here, and I don't think they entirely negate the benefits of LTE.
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It's like saying, "Here! You can drive this supercar as fast as you want!!*"
*Up to a certain point, at which time you have to reduce your speed to a crawl, or be charged $10 more for every mile past that point...
Really? Wow, no thanks. I'm good.
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I bet you're someone who drives their superfast car as fast they want(!!) and wonders why they get speeding tickets or why car insurance is so required too.
Its your car, sure, but its the carriers road. Oh, and before you try the monthly bill argument... you pay your taxes to the state/city/fed too, still gotta pay your fine for going over the limit.
@OP: All that being said, I'd recommend just getting the wifi version and calling it a day.
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I bet you're someone who drives their superfast car as fast they want(!!) and wonders why they get speeding tickets or why car insurance is so required too.
Its your car, sure, but its the carriers road. Oh, and before you try the monthly bill argument... you pay your taxes to the state/city/fed too, still gotta pay your fine for going over the limit.
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I certainly do drive my supercar as fast as I want, and until recently, I have been doing so on the proverbial autobahn, with no limitations to my capabilities.
To put it another way, let's go ahead and compare AT&T/VZW LTE with other ISP technologies, like Cable and FiOS. Yes I know, the other two are landline based tech, but bear with me here...
See, all three of these tech's, whether wired or wireless, are all last-mile technologies. They all have some kind of local distribution point. With Cable, it would be your neighborhood's hub, or with FiOS, it's your local optical splitter, with LTE, it's the tower.
So, if LTE can consistently deliver bandwidth and latency on par with, or in competition to the other technologies, and in particular, if it costs the wireless carrier less in terms of maintaining service (no need for house calls for stupid things like one person not being able to figure out how to reboot their modem), then it stands to reason that data access and costs for LTE ought to be similar to what one already expects from the former technologies. Anything less than that is just being greedy.
I mean, you figure how much bandwidth land based ISP's are able to give to their customers, without limitation, and now LTE provides that same capability to wireless ISP's too? The wired ISP's are handling it just fine. Wireless ISP's are creating the illusion that they somehow can't do the same, which is just simply not true. LTE makes the carrier cost/per MB exponentially cheaper to provide service. So, why isn't that savings being passed on to the consumer? Hmmm...
Thus, I stand by my original position: While greedy artificial limitations, modeled for, and designed within the confines of the previous generation's technology, remain as they are, I see no point in upgrading.
Most of the would-be benefits of LTE are squelched by the limitations and artificial cost restrictions imposed upon us.
AT&T advertises all the time how you can stream video, or post your video's on Facebook, etc. Except that, the more I do all those things, the quicker I'm running into overages or throttling anyway, so what's the point?
Hey,
i waited till the release of the 32GB version of the Nexus 7.On the official Google Blog i have read: "Nexus 7 with 32GB and mobile data: $299 and unlocked, on sale 11/13 in the Google Play store in the U.S., U.K., Australia, France, Germany, Spain and Canada."
Now my question is, what do they mean with "unlocked"? Fully rooted? That would be awesome!
Hope you can help me!
Greetz
I'm sure they mean, not carrier specific. its compatible with 200+ carriers worldwide.
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You think so?
But what do you mean with carrier specific? Could you explain a bit more?
It is NOT carrier specific... meaning it isn't LOCKED to any specific carrier... aka it isn't branded... and it doesn't require 2yr contracts to get it for that price.
It means you pay $300 and can pop in any SIM card from any GSM carrier and go to town.
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You think so?
But what do you mean with carrier specific? Could you explain a bit more?
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They mean unlocked as in you can use it with whatever SIM card you wanted on whatever network. As long as it is GSM of course. (LTE uses SIM even though some are CDMA based)
If it were "locked" we had to buy it from a mobile carrier as Vodafone, T-Mobile etc including a contract for 1-2 years.
Can you make calls with this or are you limited to data only? I'm also assuming this is penta band.
Data only, but there's so many ways to make voice calls online.
Thanks for every answer.Hope they will get it on amazon.de early as possible.:fingers-crossed:
Does this HSPA+ support Dual Carrier 4G?
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Data only, but there's so many ways to make voice calls online.
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Yeah, but easiest way, like a smartphone, would be fine ?
We now have in France, for less than 20€, full plans (3Gb fair use, unlimited MMS/SMS and unlimited phone calls). The right plan to put in a Nexus7 HSDPA !
If the Nexus7 HSDPA has capability to phonecalls like the former GalaxyTab7" or 7,7", i would replace one of my Note1 with this one !
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Yeah, but easiest way, like a smartphone, would be fine ?
We now have in France, for less than 20€, full plans (3Gb fair use, unlimited MMS/SMS and unlimited phone calls). The right plan to put in a Nexus7 HSDPA !
If the Nexus7 HSDPA has capability to phonecalls like the former GalaxyTab7" or 7,7", i would replace one of my Note1 with this one !
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According to everything I've found, the Nexus 7 is NOT a telephone. If you want to make voice calls you will need to use a voip service like Skype. Jellybean does have a phone app hidden away (for the Nexus 4) But I'm pretty sure if you brought it up on a Nexus 7 and tried to use it, it would either hang or make an error.
You know those portable 3g/4G routers you can buy and put a sim in? It's just like having that built in to your tablet.
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My biggest question is how accessable the SIM card is....
I read in a Verge posting that it will ship with your choice of T-MO or AT&T SIM preinstalled (for USA)- does this mean we won't be able to (easily) change it?
T-MO has simple and flexible monthly 4G plan options, for cheap. I don't know what AT&T has in comparison, but the only reason I personally would go with AT&T is wider coverage.
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According to everything I've found, the Nexus 7 is NOT a telephone. If you want to make voice calls you will need to use a voip service like Skype. Jellybean does have a phone app hidden away (for the Nexus 4) But I'm pretty sure if you brought it up on a Nexus 7 and tried to use it, it would either hang or make an error.
You know those portable 3g/4G routers you can buy and put a sim in? It's just like having that built in to your tablet.
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The new Nexus 7 coming out DOES work as a phone. Welcome to the thread.
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My biggest question is how accessable the SIM card is....
I read in a Verge posting that it will ship with your choice of T-MO or AT&T SIM preinstalled (for USA)- does this mean we won't be able to (easily) change it?
T-MO has simple and flexible monthly 4G plan options, for cheap. I don't know what AT&T has in comparison, but the only reason I personally would go with AT&T is wider coverage.
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The radio isn't 4G compatible; more of a "3.5G". It will work with 3G stuff, but not 4G apparently. Kinda strange Google didn't just jump right to 4G, if they were gonna do this at all... still, pretty awesome.
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According to everything I've found, the Nexus 7 is NOT a telephone. If you want to make voice calls you will need to use a voip service like Skype. Jellybean does have a phone app hidden away (for the Nexus 4) But I'm pretty sure if you brought it up on a Nexus 7 and tried to use it, it would either hang or make an error.
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Yeah, but it still would be a great hack !
Hi, would it be possible to use it to receive and send text messages (SMS) ? I live in France and have a full unlimited plan too.
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The new Nexus 7 coming out DOES work as a phone. Welcome to the thread.
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How sure are you of this and where did you get the information? I am really curios as i am considering using the NEXUS7 as a phone IF the HSPA version supports it.
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The new Nexus 7 coming out DOES work as a phone. Welcome to the thread.
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Curious to know... Source please ?
Can't wait to get me hands on one of these... we're still chugging along with a mix of 2G and 3G here in India. So this would be perfect. Our data plans are pretty cheap and contacts with cellular companies are almost unheard of...
Wonder is this will work with all the 3G carriers in India?
So, to repop the question...Can anyone confirm or deny if the Nexus7 HSPA version has the capability of being used as a phone for making regular voice calls?
After checking in to why this would not work I was told that it just isn't supported. You can use 4G and wifi data duringa call but not 3G. It's a little bit ofa draw back for me. I was just wondering what any one else's thoughts where on this?
I do like the phone so far other than this.
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After checking in to why this would not work I was told that it just isn't supported. You can use 4G and wifi data duringa call but not 3G. It's a little bit ofa draw back for me. I was just wondering what any one else's thoughts where on this?
I do like the phone so far other than this.
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I'm taking a chance on sounding silly, but that's just the way it is on CDMA networks. You can only do one or the other on 3G: voice or data. Being able to use voice and data simultaneously is a perk of 4G, LTE or wifi. Of course, if you have no LTE available where you are, or no wifi, it's voice or data. I know it's frustrating. I live in Minneapolis, Uptown area. We never did get very good Wimax at our house, especially indoors.
When the LTE phones came out, I was in no hurry to upgrade, as there was no LTE anywhere in the Twin Cities. No one could hazard a guess as to when it would be rolled out. The Evo LTE has been out for almost a year, and LTE is finally becoming available. It's still pretty spotty, though. The good thing is, even with a weak signal at my house, I still can get nearly 5000kbps down inside my house. That's a lot better than 3G for sure! Sprint is saying we'll have LTE pretty much throughout the city in the next couple of months. I'll believe that when I see it.
I like my S 4 pretty well. It's still strange getting used to Touch Whiz after Sense. I moved to the S 4 after having the original Evo and then the Evo 3D. I'm looking forward to rooting and being able to run custom ROMS on my S 4.
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I'm taking a chance on sounding silly, but that's just the way it is on CDMA networks. You can only do one or the other on 3G: voice or data. Being able to use voice and data simultaneously is a perk of 4G, LTE or wifi. Of course, if you have no LTE available where you are, or no wifi, it's voice or data. I know it's frustrating. I live in Minneapolis, Uptown area. We never did get very good Wimax at our house, especially indoors.
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That's not exactly accurate. Some phones can do simultaneous CDMA voice and data. However, it requires extra complexity in the phone (what's called "multiple paths") and with Sprint going to LTE, they decided to put a separate transmit path in the device just for LTE (and Wi-Fi).
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I'm taking a chance on sounding silly, but that's just the way it is on CDMA networks. You can only do one or the other on 3G: voice or data. Being able to use voice and data simultaneously is a perk of 4G, LTE or wifi. Of course, if you have no LTE available where you are, or no wifi, it's voice or data. I know it's frustrating. I live in Minneapolis, Uptown area. We never did get very good Wimax at our house, especially indoors.
When the LTE phones came out, I was in no hurry to upgrade, as there was no LTE anywhere in the Twin Cities. No one could hazard a guess as to when it would be rolled out. The Evo LTE has been out for almost a year, and LTE is finally becoming available. It's still pretty spotty, though. The good thing is, even with a weak signal at my house, I still can get nearly 5000kbps down inside my house. That's a lot better than 3G for sure! Sprint is saying we'll have LTE pretty much throughout the city in the next couple of months. I'll believe that when I see it.
I like my S 4 pretty well. It's still strange getting used to Touch Whiz after Sense. I moved to the S 4 after having the original Evo and then the Evo 3D. I'm looking forward to rooting and being able to run custom ROMS on my S 4.
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There's no harm in sounding silly. :silly: We forgive you.
The Sprint S3 and Evo 4G LTE both do it, it's called SVDO, simultaneous voice and EVDO 3G data (and ofcourse simultaneous voice and LTE and or WiFi).
For some reason, Sprint decided to fore-go SVDO on LTE phones after those two (S3 and Evo 4G LTE) and instead focus on SVLTE. To be fair, in all the years i've been with Sprint (13) i never thought i would ever need or use that feature until i got the S3. The first time i unknowingly used it i didn't even realize that while on a call, i was playing WordFeud multiplayer. It's something i do all the time now, and definitely sad to see it gone on the newer phones.
As their LTE network gets more robust and mature, it won't be much of an issue, but as of now 3G is in more places than their LTE network is. So...
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There's no harm in sounding silly. :silly: We forgive you.
The Sprint S3 and Evo 4G LTE both do it, it's called SVDO, simultaneous voice and EVDO 3G data (and ofcourse simultaneous voice and LTE and or WiFi).
For some reason, Sprint decided to fore-go SVDO on LTE phones after those two (S3 and Evo 4G LTE) and instead focus on SVLTE. To be fair, in all the years i've been with Sprint (13) i never thought i would ever need or use that feature until i got the S3. The first time i unknowingly used it i didn't even realize that while on a call, i was playing WordFeud multiplayer. It's something i do all the time now, and definitely sad to see it gone on the newer phones.
As their LTE network gets more robust and mature, it won't be much of an issue, but as of now 3G is in more places than their LTE network is. So...
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Thanks to both you guys for setting me straight. I was parroting what I'd always heard from the OG Evo (which I had) and then the 3D, which I just left. Of course, you couldn't do SVDO on either. On the 3D, though, you could do a call + data if on 4G (Wimax), which was and still is, pretty spotty here in Minneapolis-St Paul. Of course, Sprint has been rolling out LTE for a while now. It appears, then disappears a lot. Unfortunately 3G has been awful for months. I will be so thankful when LTE is finally and fully deployed!
No problem, welcome. We are all here to help and learn from each other along the way. :good:
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Thanks to both you guys for setting me straight. I was parroting what I'd always heard from the OG Evo (which I had) and then the 3D, which I just left. Of course, you couldn't do SVDO on either. On the 3D, though, you could do a call + data if on 4G (Wimax), which was and still is, pretty spotty here in Minneapolis-St Paul. Of course, Sprint has been rolling out LTE for a while now. It appears, then disappears a lot. Unfortunately 3G has been awful for months. I will be so thankful when LTE is finally and fully deployed!
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Those devices did not support SVDO. I know the S3 and EVO LTE support it, and possible the Nexus LTE (additionally, the newest Optimus maybe?). I really liked this feature when on the phone and being able to quickly check email or pull up traffic info without relying on WiFi.
The S4 does not support simultaneous voice+data, and I believe that anandtech/ars had good articles describing the data paths employed by the HTC One and S4.
What I found interesting is that when the 4G connection drops out and 3G connects, I can just send a text and get 4G back immediately instead of waiting to hop towers. I suspect that a phone call would serve the same purpose.
Also, toggling 4G off and on will get you back the same mobile IP address. This is not the case with 3G, which results in a new IP address being assigned. In order to get a new IP on LTE, you have to toggle airplane mode (which is likely why this is the first step in troubleshooting LTE connectivity).
Thought I'd help you all out to understand it since you all are sooooo new to having LTE on your phones and all (that was a joke, don't get bent out of shape over it....)
The LTE standard only supports packet switching with its all-IP network. Voice calls in GSM, UMTS and CDMA2000 are circuit switched, so with the adoption of LTE, carriers will have to re-engineer their voice call network. Three different approaches sprang up. Most major backers of LTE preferred and promoted VoLTE (Voice over LTE, an implementation of IP Multimedia Subsystem or IMS) from the beginning. The lack of software support in initial LTE devices as well as core network devices however led to a number of carriers promoting VoLGA (Voice over LTE Generic Access) as an interim solution.[13] The idea was to use the same principles as GAN (Generic Access Network, also known as UMA or Unlicensed Mobile Access), which defines the protocols through which a mobile handset can perform voice calls over a customer's private Internet connection, usually over wireless LAN. VoLGA however never gained much support, because VoLTE (IMS) promises much more flexible services, albeit at the cost of having to upgrade the entire voice call infrastructure. While the industry has seemingly standardized on VoLTE for the future, the demand for voice calls today has led LTE carriers to introduce CSFB (Circuit Switched Fallback) as a stopgap measure. When placing or receiving a voice call, LTE handsets will fall back to old 2G or 3G networks for the duration of the call.
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Just to be a bit more clear, it was not a sprint decision it is based on Qualcomm's chip design. The s4 krait simply supported svdo out the box and the snapdragon 600 doesn't.
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Just to be a bit more clear, it was not a sprint decision it is based on Qualcomm's chip design. The s4 krait simply supported svdo out the box and the snapdragon 600 doesn't.
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I am not sure that is correct. First of all, the 600 is the CPU, not the modem - which is a separate component altogether. Secondly, I believe SVDO support is more a factor of the front end RF design being set up to feed multiple transmit paths to the modem, which in the case of the Qualcomm modem, I believe has the necessary additional ports to handle it. However, it would have necessitated a more complex RF design which Sprint and Samsung probably opted to forgo, given that Sprint's is already getting on the LTE bandwagon.
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I am not sure that is correct. First of all, the 600 is the CPU, not the modem - which is a separate component altogether. Secondly, I believe SVDO support is more a factor of the front end RF design being set up to feed multiple paths to the modem, which in the case of the Qualcomm modem, I believe has the necessary additional ports to handle it. However, it would have necessitated a more complex RF design which Sprint and Samsung probably opted to forgo, given that Sprint's is already getting on the LTE bandwagon.
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You are absolutely correct but wouldn't that be dependent on whether the modem supported that design?
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You are absolutely correct but wouldn't that be dependent on whether the modem supported that design?
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My best guess is that the advanced modem in the S4 could handle it, but to add it on top of SVLTE along with the newer MIMO antenna configurations and multi-band transceivers and switches found in the latest LTE capable handsets would require the addition of another RF chain in the device and thus significantly raise the complexity of the design to a degree that doesn't make it worthwhile for Samsung to implement it.
It's not going to happen.... It's a USA cdma limitation it has NOTHING to do with the phone
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It's not going to happen.... It's a USA cdma limitation it has NOTHING to do with the phone
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Yes, for the most part, cdma devices has never been able to do voice and 3g data simultaneously but there is something called svdo which allows supported devices to do just that. The HTC thunderbolt on verizon was one of the first phones to support svdo(simultaneous voice and data over 3g on a cdma network). Getting it to work has absolutely nothing to do with the network but how the phone is designed. Now I am a sprint customer so I don't know what other devices supported it on verizon since but I do know that both sprint and verizon's gs3 both support svdo as well as sprints evo lte and a few other devices.
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It's not going to happen.... It's a USA cdma limitation it has NOTHING to do with the phone
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Not true. There have been several devices that could do it.
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Not true. There have been several devices that could do it.
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Oh theres plenty!! of devices that support it!! Its the NETWORK that does not.
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Oh theres plenty!! of devices that support it!! Its the NETWORK that does not.
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You keep talking like the network is preventing it from being possible, yes there are technical obsticals but obviously there are ways around it. So the botton line is, can you have a phone thats on a cdma network that can do voice and 3g data at the same time? That answer is yes
Seriously, why are we arguing this much about this? Simultaneous voice AND 3G on Sprint, yes, period. S3 and Evo LTE do it, S4 doesn't. Let's move on to other things.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2789485
Maybe this can/will happen to us? Or is it Sprint phone's hardware makes it not available? Kinda confused as to how they got that thru an OTA, I thought it had to do with hardware and not software.... gave me some hope maybe we will get it someday! lol
FYI: VoLTE= being on a call and being able to use LTE data
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Maybe this can/will happen to us? Or is it Sprint phone's hardware makes it not available? Kinda confused as to how they got that thru an OTA, I thought it had to do with hardware and not software.... gave me some hope maybe we will get it someday! lol
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It has nothing to do with hardware.
Did WiFi calling require new hardware? :silly:
It's all software based.
So short answer, yes we COULD do it/have it, but SPRINT has to do it and support it.
FWIW the WiFi calling at the moment is using a third party provider/service sprint pays, which I find funny. The future is VoIP, you'd think the providers have they own crap together by now.
It has to do with Chip Processor in our phone :/. Sprint can't do anything about it
The towers need the hardware/software to handle VoLTE. Our phones are all set for it, there's no special hardware. It just sends voice over LTE. The towers are on CSFB (why we lose data for calls and etc), and eventually will be made VoLTE-ready. When enough towers have it, within a year and a half or so I think, they'll push an OTA to enable it.
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The towers need the hardware/software to handle VoLTE. Our phones are all set for it, there's no special hardware. It just sends voice over LTE. The towers are on CSFB (why we lose data for calls and etc), and eventually will be made VoLTE-ready. When enough towers have it, within a year and a half or so I think, they'll push an OTA to enable it.
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Correct, buuuuuut, that won't be for a very long time. Some throw around 2017, that I've heard, but those are just guesses, I've not seen anything on a roadmap for dates. Perhaps, I'm wrong, but I wouldn't get real excited. They have to complete the 800, 1900, 2600 LTE rollout, then end of next year they'll bump to more carriers on the 2600 band (LTE-A style for mega speeds), which the S5 won't be able to accommodate BTW, then who knows.......if you want VoLTE, you probably should seek other carriers.
http://forums.androidcentral.com/sp...321076-does-sprints-note-3-support-svlte.html
Joe0113 said:
What's that hafta do with the S5? lol
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If the Note 3 can do it then it has nothing to do with the network as its clearly supported already, contrary to what the person above me posted. That means that it's now up to sprint to decide whether to make it available to the device via a software update or not
The thing with SVLTE is that it doesn't require any additional hardware unlike SVDO (S3 for example) which requires an additional radio.
CNexus said:
If the Note 3 can do it then it has nothing to do with the network as its clearly supported already, contrary to what the person above me posted. That means that it's now up to sprint to decide whether to make it available to the device via a software update or not
The thing with SVLTE is that it doesn't require any additional hardware unlike SVDO (S3 for example) which requires an additional radio.
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Incorrect. SVLTE (Think the S4) Does require an additional radio.
It's not an additional radio that's required anymore.
LTE radio exist, EVDO radio exist, thus you have one for voice and data now, though now they are on the same chip technically now.
SVDO did because it needed a radio for voice and one for the data.
With LTE we now have 2 basically.
The issue is antenna and antenna switching design.
The ability to do both was removed because it has a negative impact on reception, performance etc. when using frequencies like Sprint is. Basically you have all your antennas that are routing to a single path on the chip that goes to the radios. The SVDO had multiple paths and thus could do both.
I imagine this time next year it won't be an issue but it could still be because they will begin using spectrum aggregation which again combines everything to a single point.
It will be interesting to see how things change.
SVDO was only around for a few phone model years, but I agree it was a big overlook again. They knew it wasn't going to work but they assumed because it only existed for a few model years most people had been use to not having it, but they forget about people carrier hopping and assuming it would.
CDMA was better vs. GSM in terms of voice and security but it always had this big draw back of no voice/data together without special work arounds. Once 3G is decom like 2G was in a number of years none of this will matter.
booey24 said:
I think your getting SVLTE and VoLTE mixed up.
SVLTE uses 2 radios which the Sprint Note 3 has, but VoLTE uses 1 radio which the S5 has.
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Incorrect. SVLTE (Think the S4) Does require an additional radio.
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No, it no longer requires an additional radio like the S3 did for SVDO.
bryanu said:
It's not an additional radio that's required anymore.
LTE radio exist, EVDO radio exist, thus you have one for voice and data now, though now they are on the same chip technically now.
SVDO did because it needed a radio for voice and one for the data.
With LTE we now have 2 basically.
The issue is antenna and antenna switching design.
The ability to do both was removed because it has a negative impact on reception, performance etc. when using frequencies like Sprint is. Basically you have all your antennas that are routing to a single path on the chip that goes to the radios. The SVDO had multiple paths and thus could do both.
I imagine this time next year it won't be an issue but it could still be because they will begin using spectrum aggregation which again combines everything to a single point.
It will be interesting to see how things change.
SVDO was only around for a few phone model years, but I agree it was a big overlook again. They knew it wasn't going to work but they assumed because it only existed for a few model years most people had been use to not having it, but they forget about people carrier hopping and assuming it would.
CDMA was better vs. GSM in terms of voice and security but it always had this big draw back of no voice/data together without special work arounds. Once 3G is decom like 2G was in a number of years none of this will matter.
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This is technically correct, the best kind of correct. There are multiple radios on the S5 SoC, but only one transmission path so only one radio can be used at a time. (Hence why we have eCSFB) In order for SVLTE to work at the same time using LTE/1x like in the past, you need to have TWO radios that are working simultaneously and not one at a time like on the S5.
In the long run this is a better solution, but I still think they should have held off on single transmission path until VoLTE was ready to roll out.
Here you go kiddos. Exclusive information and details on Sprint's VoLTE.
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/...th-domestic-and-international-volte-carriers/
sent from an underwater dust storm with my Sprint S5
Scolias said:
This is technically correct, the best kind of correct. There are multiple radios on the S5 SoC, but only one transmission path so only one radio can be used at a time. (Hence why we have eCSFB) In order for SVLTE to work at the same time using LTE/1x like in the past, you need to have TWO radios that are working simultaneously and not one at a time like on the S5.
In the long run this is a better solution, but I still think they should have held off on single transmission path until VoLTE was ready to roll out.
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The one radio in the S5 saves a lot of power compared to the 2 radios that the HTC One has. Honestly I don't see a reason to even implement VoLTE in the US since they are implementing 1x advanced.
mmark27 said:
Here you go kiddos. Exclusive information and details on Sprint's VoLTE.
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/...th-domestic-and-international-volte-carriers/
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Yup... Honestly I don't know why VoLTE is preferred. The 1x Advanced that Sprint is putting on the 800 mhz bands (and eventually the 1900 once the older phones start phasing out) frees up a lot of spectrum so they can have a lot more calls going through any single tower. With VoLTE they would suffer the same exact data bandwidth limitations.
numus said:
The one radio in the S5 saves a lot of power compared to the 2 radios that the HTC One has. Honestly I don't see a reason to even implement VoLTE in the US since they are implementing 1x advanced.
Yup... Honestly I don't know why VoLTE is preferred. The 1x Advanced that Sprint is putting on the 800 mhz bands (and eventually the 1900 once the older phones start phasing out) frees up a lot of spectrum so they can have a lot more calls going through any single tower. With VoLTE they would suffer the same exact data bandwidth limitations.
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Correct, 800SMR is going to do wonders to Sprint coverage and clarity. The VoLTE will allow simultaneous voice and data again AND it's a global standard protocol....... so that's why it's preferred eventually. Also, once Sprint's network is fully implemented (end of 2015), there will be no bandwidth limitations, that's the upper hand that Sprint has for the patient, tons of spectrum and they're going to utilize it well.
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mmark27 said:
Correct, 800SMR is going to do wonders to Sprint coverage and clarity. The VoLTE will allow simultaneous voice and data again AND it's a global standard protocol....... so that's why it's preferred eventually. Also, once Sprint's network is fully implemented (end of 2015), there will be no bandwidth limitations, that's the upper hand that Sprint has for the patient, tons of spectrum and they're going to utilize it well.
sent from an underwater dust storm with my Sprint S5
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When in the history of Sprint have they ever actually done something well, no matter how many resources they have had?!? They are still trying to play catch up to every other network (and are falling behind every day). Personally I think simultaneous voice and data is kinda worthless (had it on my M7 and never used it) and there will always be bandwidth limitations.
Scolias said:
This is technically correct, the best kind of correct. There are multiple radios on the S5 SoC, but only one transmission path so only one radio can be used at a time. (Hence why we have eCSFB) In order for SVLTE to work at the same time using LTE/1x like in the past, you need to have TWO radios that are working simultaneously and not one at a time like on the S5.
In the long run this is a better solution, but I still think they should have held off on single transmission path until VoLTE was ready to roll out.
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numus said:
When in the history of Sprint have they ever actually done something well, no matter how many resources they have had?!? They are still trying to play catch up to every other network (and are falling behind every day). Personally I think simultaneous voice and data is kinda worthless (had it on my M7 and never used it) and there will always be bandwidth limitations.
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Thanks for the info, guys. This is interesting -- in contrast to the Moto X, which already supports simultaneous voice and data (ONLY on LTE). I can confirm it works perfectly on the Moto X. Also, there are no bandwidth limitations, due to Sprints use of TD-LTE (Time Division Long Term Evolution).
(I'm NOT referring to VoLTE)
Nice to have learned something new about the SGS5 though... :good:
samwathegreat said:
Thanks for the info, guys. This is interesting -- in contrast to the Moto X, which already supports simultaneous voice and data (ONLY on LTE). I can confirm it works perfectly on the Moto X. Also, there are no bandwidth limitations, due to Sprints use of TD-LTE (Time Division Long Term Evolution).
(I'm NOT referring to VoLTE)
Nice to have learned something new about the SGS5 though... :good:
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The HTC One (M7 not sure about M8) supports the same thing. The reason it is only on LTE is because on all phones, 1x and EVDO are the same radio (working off CDMA2000 with the chip supporting both 1xRTT and 1xEV-DO).
In the case of the Moto X, there is a separate chip specifically for LTE while the Samsung Galaxy S 5 sticks all of them on the same chip. So while the Moto X is supporting both voice and data at the same time, it has to power the radios for 1xRTT or 1xEVDO and the one for LTE, which means you are powering 2 while the Galaxy S 5 is only powered 1... Also there will always be bandwidth limitations... They still rely on a Fiber and/or Microwave back end which doesn't have infinite bandwidth capabilities.
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The HTC One (M7 not sure about M8) supports the same thing. The reason it is only on LTE is because on all phones, 1x and EVDO are the same radio (working off CDMA2000 with the chip supporting both 1xRTT and 1xEV-DO).
In the case of the Moto X, there is a separate chip specifically for LTE while the Samsung Galaxy S 5 sticks all of them on the same chip. So while the Moto X is supporting both voice and data at the same time, it has to power the radios for 1xRTT or 1xEVDO and the one for LTE, which means you are powering 2 while the Galaxy S 5 is only powered 1... Also there will always be bandwidth limitations... They still rely on a Fiber and/or Microwave back end which doesn't have infinite bandwidth capabilities.
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Thanks for pointing out the error in my logic: that the MAXIMUM 8.5kbps used by the EVRC/EVRC-B voice codec might actually contribute to "bandwidth limitations" due to using both radios at the same time
Since this would seem beyond insignificant, all things considering, I HAD failed to take this into consideration LMAO.
Nonetheless, thanks for the clarification.
I am well aware of the dual-radio nature of the X....just wasn't aware that the same didn't apply to the SGS5...
Haha I'll keep in mind that I might *possibly* be shorted 8.5kbps the next time I make a call while using my LTE data
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Thanks for pointing out the error in my logic: that the MAXIMUM 8.5kbps used by the EVRC/EVRC-B voice codec might actually contribute to "bandwidth limitations" due to using both radios at the same time
Since this would seem beyond insignificant, all things considering, I HAD failed to take this into consideration LMAO.
Nonetheless, thanks for the clarification.
I am well aware of the dual-radio nature of the X....just wasn't aware that the same didn't apply to the SGS5...
Haha I'll keep in mind that I might *possibly* be shorted 8.5kbps the next time I make a call while using my LTE data
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Do you read what you quote? There is a bandwidth limitation in LTE in general. Unlike 1x Advanced which is dedicated spectrum for calls only, VoLTE is going to run into bandwidth limitations because it is LTE. Guess what happens if everyone is using data at the same time on a tower?!? Guess what happens to Voice that requires data bandwidth to function... Granted you can always support carriers implementing QOS... I am sure everyone would be very happy with that.
numus said:
Do you read what you quote? There is a bandwidth limitation in LTE in general. Unlike 1x Advanced which is dedicated spectrum for calls only, VoLTE is going to run into bandwidth limitations because it is LTE. Guess what happens if everyone is using data at the same time on a tower?!? Guess what happens to Voice that requires data bandwidth to function...
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Did you read my quote? When I said there were no "bandwidth limitations" on the X --- I was referring to "bandwidth limitations" in respect to using both VOICE and DATA at the same TIME. Why else would have I mentioned "TD-LTE"??? Please explain...
Can't be specific about changes obviously...as per soak instructions...but I can say for sure a certain feature we've all been missing has been restored to us. PM me if you want details.
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So.... It comes with root?
lol to beat me to it! :highfive:
Haha..I wish..but no
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Again..I wish... But no
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Unlocked bands?
Most likely VoLTE...
Longer battery?!
It's VoLTE. Or, simultaneous Voice and Data as was missing from the device at launch with the promise to be fixed with an update by the end of the year.
I'm curious, though, if it counts towards your data allowance to use VoLTE. Does anyone know?
It doesn't count against your data plan according to the Verizon FAQ
swboland said:
It's VoLTE. Or, simultaneous Voice and Data as was missing from the device at launch with the promise to be fixed with an update by the end of the year.
I'm curious, though, if it counts towards your data allowance to use VoLTE. Does anyone know?
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Voice no, video yes.
It's disappointing that the update is (apparently) only/mainly VoLTE, and not Android 5.0. Since carrier certification is a relatively slow, painful process, I think this is a sign that the Lollipop update is more than a couple months away.
I was initially excited about VoLTE, but I wasn't impressed with it when I used it briefly on my Droid Maxx. First, it wasn't reliable- I had dropped calls, and calls that never even rang my phone. Second, it killed my battery. It was rough- really rough- on it. I think both are related to the relatively weak LTE signal I have at home. To deal with the signal problems I have a Verizon network extender, but it looked like my phone was preferring the weak LTE signal over the strong signal from the network extender.
I wish Verizon would have just sucked it up and supported Wifi calling with Advanced Calling 1.0. I don't understand why they dislike Wifi calling so much. They're going to eventually support it, but the company's statements suggest they aren't happy about it. Who knows how much support there will be for it, though. Verizon apparently plans to release a LTE network extender at some point, which is only useful in certain niche situations if Wifi calling is broadly supported on VZW devices.
reggie14 said:
It's disappointing that the update is (apparently) only/mainly VoLTE, and not Android 5.0. Since carrier certification is a relatively slow, painful process, I think this is a sign that the Lollipop update is more than a couple months away.
I was initially excited about VoLTE, but I wasn't impressed with it when I used it briefly on my Droid Maxx. First, it wasn't reliable- I had dropped calls, and calls that never even rang my phone. Second, it killed my battery. It was rough- really rough- on it. I think both are related to the relatively weak LTE signal I have at home. To deal with the signal problems I have a Verizon network extender, but it looked like my phone was preferring the weak LTE signal over the strong signal from the network extender.
I wish Verizon would have just sucked it up and supported Wifi calling with Advanced Calling 1.0. I don't understand why they dislike Wifi calling so much. They're going to eventually support it, but the company's statements suggest they aren't happy about it. Who knows how much support there will be for it, though. Verizon apparently plans to release a LTE network extender at some point, which is only useful in certain niche situations if Wifi calling is broadly supported on VZW devices.
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Wifi calling is for carriers that need someone else's network to supplement their own shortcomings.
That is why they don't implement it.
adrynalyne said:
Wifi calling is for carriers that need someone else's network to supplement their own shortcomings.
That is why they don't implement it.
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So is it just a messaging problem? Verizon doesn't want to support wifi calling because it's an implicit admission that they don't have great coverage everywhere?
Generally, I agree VZW coverage is pretty good. But, it's not great at my house, and its terrible at my workplace. VZW already implicitly acknowledges that they don't have great coverage everywhere by selling network extenders. They're continuing that by coming out with LTE network extenders (someday).
It just seems like its a cheaper, better option to support wifi calling, rather than forcing people (with coverage problems) to shell out $200-300 for a network extender.
adrynalyne said:
Wifi calling is for carriers that need someone else's network to supplement their own shortcomings.
That is why they don't implement it.
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I still think every carrier should support this. I'm in IT, and constantly find myself in data centers, or even meeting rooms deep into a building that you couldn't even make an E-911 call from... It really wouldn't be that difficult. When TMob had UMA back in '08 and I had a BB, I used it extensively. It was never because TMobile didn't have enough coverage.. Carriers basically make money when you use their network. Yes, most people have unlimited plans these days, but they build their network around the use it has. So why wouldn't they want you to be using your phone, minutes, texts, etc? On the other hand, why wouldn't they want to offload congestion to networks they don't have to maintain or pay for? There just aren't any down sides to have WiFi calling/text/mms.
dbornack said:
I still think every carrier should support this. I'm in IT, and constantly find myself in data centers, or even meeting rooms deep into a building that you couldn't even make an E-911 call from... It really wouldn't be that difficult. When TMob had UMA back in '08 and I had a BB, I used it extensively. It was never because TMobile didn't have enough coverage.. Carriers basically make money when you use their network. Yes, most people have unlimited plans these days, but they build their network around the use it has. So why wouldn't they want you to be using your phone, minutes, texts, etc? On the other hand, why wouldn't they want to offload congestion to networks they don't have to maintain or pay for? There just aren't any down sides to have WiFi calling/text/mms.
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You can make calls through Hangouts if that helps ya.
allenrb2 said:
It doesn't count against your data plan according to the Verizon FAQ
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Any chance anyone who has the update can see if it fixes the shutter lag?
phoenixus said:
Any chance anyone who has the update can see if it fixes the shutter lag?
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There is a definite improvement, IMO
adrynalyne said:
You can make calls through Hangouts if that helps ya.
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Can you? I mean, I knew you could, but it rides WiFi, and doesn't do the Google Voice thing where you still need cell service?