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im not a pro at electronics but isnt it possible to solder a charging plug to a usb cable?
to achieve usb charging?
did it for a homemade IR headtracking unit
SmokeMasta said:
im not a pro at electronics but isnt it possible to solder a charging plug to a usb cable?
to achieve usb charging?
did it for a IR headtracking unit
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I still don't think people understand. This devices needs more output then a usb plug can produce. Think about it this way, would you charge your laptop computer off your desktop usb port? The XOOM requires a 12v charge, just like your laptop.
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I still don't think people understand. This devices needs more output then a usb plug can produce. Think about it this way, would you charge your laptop computer off your desktop usb port? The XOOM requires a 12v charge, just like your laptop.
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wont it be able to trickle charge... when in a pinch some charge is better then none at all
What don't people understand about this. A USB plug in a computer might only be able to produce 500ma, but you can plug that SAME USB cable into a wall charger that uses USB and it will charge fast as hell. The iPad does this. All Android phones do this. It makes it so you only have to carry one cable and maybe a small wall plug.
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The usb port is not connected to the battery for charging anyway.
https://motorola-global-portal.cust...sion/L3RpbWUvMTI5ODgyOTM5NS9zaWQvdnpSbGhIbms=
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guess you missed prev poster point ... if you solder on a charging plug it doesnt mean you need to remove the other plug have 2 plugs on one side
SmokeMasta said:
guess you missed prev poster point ... if you solder on a charging plug it doesnt mean you need to remove the other plug have 2 plugs on one side
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You are right i miss read it
after some reading usb 3.0 delivers 900ma
and it looks those usb charger blocks deliver upto 9w at 1.8a
It is hard to say if it will work. Since I don't have my Xoom yet, I can looking at the output rating of the wall charger. Maybe someone can look at their wall charger and see how much output voltage and current it produces. If it's higher than 5V, the USB might not be able to charge it. If it could charge it, it would be better to have a USB cable that has one end split into two connectors, one with the circular connector, and one with the micro USB end.
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It is hard to say if it will work. Since I don't have my Xoom yet, I can looking at the output rating of the wall charger. Maybe someone can look at their wall charger and see how much output voltage and current it produces. If it's higher than 5V, the USB might not be able to charge it. If it could charge it, it would be better to have a USB cable that has one end split into two connectors, one with the circular connector, and one with the micro USB end.
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Here you go.
looks like my usb 1.0 charger (from htc (ancient thing)) delivers 5v at 1amp
wondering if newer chargers deliver more. spec sheet of USB 3.0 says it can deliver 9 volt at 1.8 amp
hopefully the EU classifies the moto tablet as a telephone then its obligated by law to have usb charging ability
The iPad charger delivers 5v at 2 amps over a USB to 30pin cable.
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Here you go.
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Thanks. I just decided to glance at the Xoom teardown. From what I saw with the hardware, I don't think it will be possible to use USB to charge it. The battery alone is 7.4V, so there is no way to charge it with 5V unless the Xoom had a DC step-up convert. The teardown only lists a step-down converter which probably steps the battery voltage down for all of the components in the Xoom and has nothing to do with battery charging.
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Thanks. I just decided to glance at the Xoom teardown. From what I saw with the hardware, I don't think it will be possible to use USB to charge it. The battery alone is 7.4V, so there is no way to charge it with 5V unless the Xoom had a DC step-up convert. The teardown only lists a step-down converter which probably steps the battery voltage down for all of the components in the Xoom and has nothing to do with battery charging.
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Does it require the same voltage to do a trickle charge? From the research XDA members have done so far, the Xoom charger requires 1.5A, USB puts out .5A, that's not too far off if we just want trickle charging.
The battery is 7.4V but 5V isn't too far off either.
Does the market app SPARE PARTS work on the Xoom, or some other charging monitor app?
Maybe someone who already has the Xoom and knows how to solder can frankenstein a USB charging adapter? Make one end fit into the charging port of the Xoom and the other end fit into a standard micro USB plug.
This way, you carry your normal USB cable for data transfer but if you need to charge, then you plug the USB plug into the adapter which plugs into the charging port.
BTW, can someone please clarify that the charging port IS THE ONLY WAY to charge the Xoom? Someone said on here that the docking device has a USB plug that will charge the Xoom thru the USB?
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Does it require the same voltage to do a trickle charge? From the research XDA members have done so far, the Xoom charger requires 1.5A, USB puts out .5A, that's not too far off if we just want trickle charging.
The battery is 7.4V but 5V isn't too far off either.
Does the market app SPARE PARTS work on the Xoom, or some other charging monitor app?
Maybe someone who already has the Xoom and knows how to solder can frankenstein a USB charging adapter? Make one end fit into the charging port of the Xoom and the other end fit into a standard micro USB plug.
This way, you carry your normal USB cable for data transfer but if you need to charge, then you plug the USB plug into the adapter which plugs into the charging port.
BTW, can someone please clarify that the charging port IS THE ONLY WAY to charge the Xoom? Someone said on here that the docking device has a USB plug that will charge the Xoom thru the USB?
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Spare parts works fine, so does battery monitor widget. The dock uses the 2 metal pins between the hdmi and charging hole.
My HTC charger outputs from the AC adapter to microusb at 5V and 1.0A, which is as high as I've seen with other phones and chargers.
The Xoom charger appears to output 12V at 1.5A.
I'm no electrician but that does seem like a pretty big difference. 140% greater in and 50% greater respectively.
A lot of armchair electrical engineers in here. Tell me, what would you gain from creating your own proprietary usb charger? You'd still have only one of them and you couldn't use it on anything else.
Has anyone stopped to think that it's very highly likely that the usb charging pins aren't hooked up at all inside the xoom?
This forum is the biggest group of whiny people I've ever encountered, and I once accidentally walked into a GoP fundraiser.
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Does it require the same voltage to do a trickle charge? From the research XDA members have done so far, the Xoom charger requires 1.5A, USB puts out .5A, that's not too far off if we just want trickle charging.
The battery is 7.4V but 5V isn't too far off either.
Does the market app SPARE PARTS work on the Xoom, or some other charging monitor app?
Maybe someone who already has the Xoom and knows how to solder can frankenstein a USB charging adapter? Make one end fit into the charging port of the Xoom and the other end fit into a standard micro USB plug.
This way, you carry your normal USB cable for data transfer but if you need to charge, then you plug the USB plug into the adapter which plugs into the charging port.
BTW, can someone please clarify that the charging port IS THE ONLY WAY to charge the Xoom? Someone said on here that the docking device has a USB plug that will charge the Xoom thru the USB?
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Well the current rating is only part of the equation. Think of the voltage as the pushing force for the current. The Xoom has two Li-Po packs (two batteries) with a nominal voltage of 7.4V. It really depends on the battery, but in general for Li-Po's, the minimum voltage for this battery will be something close to 6V. Li-Po's require specific ways of charge with min/max voltages and certain currents. The minimum battery voltage cannot be overcome by the 5V from USB, thus it will not charge the battery.
If anything, the 5V could power the device, but it wouldn't charge the battery. I would bet that this doesn't work. The power jack on the Xoom probably goes into a regulator that reduces the 12V into a lower voltage that charges the Xoom.
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My HTC charger outputs from the AC adapter to microusb at 5V and 1.0A, which is as high as I've seen with other phones and chargers.
The Xoom charger appears to output 12V at 1.5A.
I'm no electrician but that does seem like a pretty big difference. 140% greater in and 50% greater respectively.
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I don't see how you see it as whining, we're just figuring out how to get things we want ourselves instead of waiting for the manufacturer to do it for us
Most of XDA's reader probably have some kind of techincal/engineering/IT/industrial background. Nothing wrong with pooling our talents to solve manufacturers' shortcomings.
USB Charging
Just tried to charge it VIA USB and wall charger with USB port & this is the result.
Anyone else have any experiences they'd like to share using non-OEM chargers?
I use my HP TouchPad charger in my living room, as my HP Touchstone plugs into it usually. It charges the N7 at exactly the same rate as the OEM charger.
Just curious about others' experiences.
Oh....and is anyone else w/the HP TouchPad just completely spoiled regarding tablet prices? $250 seemed like a lot of money to pay, LOL.
http://saraoutlet.com/yxt-023-us-2-...for-apple-ipad-iphone-4g-3gs-white-35561.html
I use this, it charges my iphone, ipad, ipod touch, samsung, and now my nexus. I have one for the car as well that is 1A/2.1A.
the blackberry playbook 1.8a charger works really well. indistinguishable from the supplied OEM. available for $16 bucks or so in retail packaging.
I've used the same charger for my Galaxy SII. Seemed to do the job well and just as quickly!
I have a few blackberry chargers one is a playbook one and some other android chargers.. they all work just fine.
I'd love to know if there are any portable chargers that will charge the Nexus 7 without being plugged into the wall, so, I can charge it when I'm laying in bed or something, I have portable USB chargers that I don't thing would work with the 7 The Duracell Powerhouse USB charger and the Sony Media CP-ELS USB Portable Charger with 2,000 mAh Li-Ion Battery, I use them interchangeably with my iPhone 4S and Playstation Vita.
Okay, I went through my "wall wart" drawer and tried 8 chargers and 9 cables. I can't find any pattern to the results
There was one cable (skinny black generic USB) that didn't work with charger, and one charger (from a Kingston Wi-Drive) that wouldn't work with any cable.
The best cable was a white mini-usb (that I used with a mini-micro dongle) that had come with my generic 5000 mAH backup battery; it worked with *everything* except the Wi-Drive charger. The best chargers were the OEM ASUS charger, and a generic small black cube (1A) labelled "KIN"; those worked with every cable except the skinny black dud.
The worst of the working chargers were an "Innergie" dual laptop/USB power supply, and the generic battery backup. Those only worked with that white cable.
Honorable mentions go to an old Motorola RAZR charger (used with a mini-micro dongle) and a small Samsung phone charger. Those have permanent cables, and both worked.
I couldn't pick up any pattern in terms of amp rating (obviously, the lower amp chargers will take longer). It seems to be "luck of the draw".
I've tried probably 4-5 different chargers including a Motorola wall charger plugged in the wall, and also plugged into a power inverter in my truck, a motorola car charger and an oem wall charger and have no issues with any of them.
iPad 3 charger compatibility
Can anyone confirm if N7 charges using the new iPad 10W charger? Mine only supports the charger that came with it. Does that mean that the usb port is broken and I need to replace it or is it the way all the units behave?
Other XDA threads with similar topic:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1780211
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1781680
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1784322
dmalovic said:
Can anyone confirm if N7 charges using the new iPad 10W charger? Mine only supports the charger that came with it. Does that mean that the usb port is broken and I need to replace it or is it the way all the units behave?
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It charges using my iPad2 charger, which I think is the same charger as the new iPad?
The Nexus 7 does not show charging when plugged into any of my OEM/aftermarket Apple chargers.
It does not appear to matter whether I use the USB cable supplied by Asus, or a standard commodity micro USB cable.
There is evidence from other users that the tablet may be charging at the 1A rate even though the charge indicator stays off.
I have not personally confirmed this yet.
Im using the charger of my BlackBerry playbook! 5volts 2amp!
From 0% to 100% in less than 3 hours!
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I bought 10 of the HP Touchpad chargers for $5 shipped a few weeks ago. They work perfect for the Nexus 7, same plug, 2AH charging..
I think you can still find them for $5 shipped @ hp.com
All my micro USB chargers work , from Nokia to BlackBerry to HTC all fab all charge the n7 OK
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martyg7 said:
The Nexus 7 does not show charging when plugged into any of my OEM/aftermarket Apple chargers.
It does not appear to matter whether I use the USB cable supplied by Asus, or a standard commodity micro USB cable.
There is evidence from other users that the tablet may be charging at the 1A rate even though the charge indicator stays off.
I have not personally confirmed this yet.
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I've had one of those OEM/aftermarket Apple charges blow up on me (not shrapnel, it stayed in the plastic casing), so I wouldn't expect much from those anyway. Have you tried with any standard micro USB phone charger?
Chargers that work:
- Motorola Droid Pro (hard-wired micro USB). Rated at 800 mA but seems to charge almost as fast as the OEM.
- Kin One (Uses any USB cable). Rated at 1A, works with every USB cable I have (almost; there were a couple that didn't work with anything). These are available on-line for less than 10 bucks:
http://www.amazon.com/Sharp-Standard-Wall-Charger-CNR1002/dp/B005IY428Y
http://www.aftermarketcellular.com/ic/CNR1002.html
This is nice and compact; I'm going to order a couple of more to have as spares.
- Motoroloa RAZR (hard-wired mini-USB, used with mini-to-micro adapter). Rated at 500 mA. Works, but probably pretty slow.
- Samsung (from unknown phone; hard-wired micro-USB) rated at 750 mA. Didn't test charge time.
As an aside, I have a 5000 mAh backup battery that I've used with phones and my Nook color (http://www.amazon.com/5000mAh-External-Motorola-Blackberry-Nintendo/dp/B004P8E612). It works with the Nexus, but ONLY with the mini-USB cable that the Power Bank shipped with. Every other cable I've tried chokes. It's intended for an iPhone and puts 6.5V across the power pins (with no load; this is about the same as the Kin) and pulls the data pins to 3.4V. What's weird is that I can connect a 2-conductor (charge only) extension in series with the working cable, so that the data signal never reaches the Nexus. If I use a 2-conductor cable by itself, the Nexus doesn't charge.
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Chargers that work:
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When you say they work, are they showing as AC charging when you use them or are they just charging.
Go-to battery stats and it will say either
Charging (USB)
Or
Charging (AC)
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Compatable car charger
It's really disappointing to know N7 is so picky about chargers. Can anyone report on a working small/short car USB charger that is compatible?
You might want to check that your vehicle can provide 2amps from its cigarette lighter plug. Normal only utility plugs can do that.
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I tried swapping out the USB cable that came with my nexus 7 with a longer usb cable (still using the same charger though edit: by that, i mean the ASUS charger that came with the N7). It doesn't seem to be charging though, even though it says 'charging' on the screen. When i was using the nexus 7 while plugged in, i actually lost 1% charge after using it for like 30 or so minutes.
I think i grabbed this cable off Ebay. It had no trouble charging my phone. Are there different grades of USB cables or something?
By same charger do you mean the one it came with? The 2 amps charger. Sorry I had to clear that bit up. I think longer cables creates more resistence but I'm not sure if the cable length is significant enough stop charging. I have no idea about grades of USB cables though maybe someone can elaborate on that.
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By same charger do you mean the one it came with? The 2 amps charger. Sorry I had to clear that bit up. I think longer cables creates more resistence but I'm not sure if the cable length is significant enough stop charging. I have no idea about grades of USB cables though maybe someone can elaborate on that.
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Yes, the ASUS charger it came with, i plugged in the 6 foot microusb cable i bought off ebay into it.
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Yes, the ASUS charger it came with, i plugged in the 6 foot microusb cable i bought off ebay into it.
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Okay, 6 foot cable doesn't sound excessively long. I have to ask what were you doing on it while charging and what brightness setting was the screen at. Maybe you were draining more power than the charger can provide?
This is pretty common. The stock cable has larger conductors, as I assume other 2 amp chargers come with, and standard cables are sensed somehow and charging current is limited. Try finding a 22awg cable, I think it will work.
I use a USB extender since I don't have any outlets near my bed. I use a cable rated for USB 2.0 and haven't had any problems. I have had problems with cables that aren't. The Motorola USB cables are rated for 2.0 and they all work fine for me with no problems.
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This is pretty common. The stock cable has larger conductors, as I assume other 2 amp chargers come with, and standard cables are sensed somehow and charging current is limited. Try finding a 22awg cable, I think it will work.
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Thanks, i assume this cable that's 28/24 awg would work?
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10303&cs_id=1030307&p_id=8643&seq=1&format=2
I use a cable extender, but I insert the original stock cable into the tablet (not the charger). It appears to recognise that and charge at the correct rate.
I've tried using a usb extender to charge with the asus charger and the Asus USB cable and checking with battery graph it charges much slower compared to using just the Asus cable.
People with eyesight better than mine will see that the micro USB socket has 5 pins and the Nexus looks at the 5th pin to decide what is connected and what the connected device is allowed to do. The pin can be grounded, not connected (floating) or can be connected to ground via I think 3 fixed resistances. Google for USB on the go. I think that is the standard adopted by Asus and the cable doesn't comply.
I'm using a nook 1/2 cable I got with a car charger for the nooktablet
It works and is longer then the stock cable it came with.
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EE here. I just ran into this issue recently, so I'll share what I learned. Grab a multimeter and measure the resistance of the cable. Check all 4 pins just in case one of them is worse than another.
In my case, I had a really horrible USB extension cable. It measured about 4 Ohms. 4 Ohms is low enough for a multimeter to pass a continuity test, but do out the math:
V = I * R
V = 2A * 8 Ohms (4 Ohms on VCC, 4 Ohms back on GND)
V = 16V.
16 volts?? Where does 16V come from? Short answer: It doesn't. If 2A were actually flowing, the USB cable would have a 16V drop across it. It doesn't though, which tells us that 2A is not flowing. 1A is also not flowing, since that would still be 8V.
0.5 Ohms is a good estimate for a MAXIMUM resistance for a USB charging cable. That's a 1V drop at 2A, meaning the phone is only getting ~4V. That explains why the USB cable that comes with the Nexus 7 is so darn short - it comes in at around 0.1 Ohms (or perhaps less, that's about the limit of what I can accurately measure)
Wanted to get a longer USB cable that will work the Asus adapter, any links?
Thanks.
came across this thread while investigating a strange thing in charging my 4400mah extended battery of my s3.
I have a 5v 1A stock samsung charger with an extension cable i was always using to charge my old phones with a less capacity battery (mugen 3200mah)
This night i spent i wasnt ble to get a full charge from 5% to 100% in 8 hours and this sounds more than strange, but yet understandable.
i will try timings with the stock cable without extension and i'll come back...
I just noticed today, that my HTC phone basically has the same setup. The same charger, then the USB to micro-USB cable. So would it be the same thing to charge with either cable?
I was shuffling with the 2 chargers today.. but if I only need to use one, then that's even better! And I can travel with just 1 charger for my 2 devices too!
Shouldn't be a problem i hardly ever use the correct usb charger for my devices apart from tablets that need the higher power output.
The nexus may not work on the phone charger but the phone should work fine on the nexus charger.
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The Nexus7 charger is 5v 2A, look at the HTC amp output if it is 1A it will take longer to charge the Nexus7, if it can even keep up if the unit is on.
I would use the Nexus7 charger for the phone and tablet if you want to cut down on taking chargers while going on trips.
I use the Nexus7 charger on my ET4 and it goes to full charge pretty quick....lol
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The Nexus7 charger is 5v 2A, look at the HTC amp output if it is 1A it will take longer to charge the Nexus7, if it can even keep up if the unit is on.
I would use the Nexus7 charger for the phone and tablet if you want to cut down on taking chargers while going on trips.
I use the Nexus7 charger on my ET4 and it goes to full charge pretty quick....lol
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Yeap you are correct, my phone charger is 1A.
Will using Nexus 7's 2A output charger harm my phone? Or will it just charge my phone faster? (which sounds like a great deal btw:laugh
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Yeap you are correct, my phone charger is 1A.
Will using Nexus 7's 2A output charger harm my phone? Or will it just charge my phone faster? (which sounds like a great deal btw:laugh
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Edit: In short..no it won't damage your phone
i use my kfire charger because the cord is longer lol. google skimped on the charger cord it's !!short!!
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i use my kfire charger because the cord is longer lol. google skimped on the charger cord it's !!short!!
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Another good idea! My HTC's charger cable is longer..
I guess I'll use the Nexus 7's charger with the HTC cable = win
I prefer the Kindle Fire charger or the Playbook or HP touchpad charges took the OEM charger that comes with the Nexus 7
I just got another Playbook charger just for that purpose, it is 6 ft long, much longer than the Nexus charger.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=29603728
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As long as the charger puts out 5v you'll be fine.
Also, stories on xda suggest not gaming on the n7 on low battery while plugged into a charger other the packaged one.
Whats the deal here? Anyone find any other cables that work? If I use a monoprice premium cable with a 1 amp car charger with bluetooth and music going it won't charge. But if I use the same car charger and use the OEM LG cord that came with the phone the phone charges fine. Same thing in the house plugged in with the stock charger base. Its super slow unless you use the OEM cable.
There is a HUGE thread about this.
I think we've narrowed it down to the AWG thickness of the cable. The Stock Cable is really thick and able to carry the voltage properly. Using another cable with thinner wires, it can't provide enough juice.
But there is a huge thread on this already.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2460881
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f I use a monoprice premium cable with a 1 amp car charger with bluetooth and music going it won't charge.
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The new chargers are 1.8A vs the old 1A charger. Less amperage = Less power, that is why it is slow charging. The width of a cable can limit the amount of amperage passed, so for 1A you can expect a thinner cable.