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Warranty on our Samsung Tab???

A buddy of mine has an iPad, and called to get support. They would not support him over the phone because apparently the iPad only has **90** days of phone support, and 1 year hardware support. My buddy was pretty disgusted by this response, considering how much he paid for his iPad, and asked "How do you know the problem isn't hardware???", they said that he would have to 'pay to find out'!!!!! Pretty sad considering how Apple technical support is rated so highly in the field.
So that brings me to my question. How does our warranty compare to that??? Both hardware (which I believe to be one year), and phone support?

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/service/warranty/GT-P7510MAYXAB
There's also a difference between hardware and software support.
You can get support all sort of way, the forums here being one of em.

t1mman said:
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/service/warranty/GT-P7510MAYXAB
There's also a difference between hardware and software support.
You can get support all sort of way, the forums here being one of em.
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I saw that page already, but I didn't see mention of PHONE support, which is the basis of my question.

I got phone support from Samsung 7 months after the purchase to fix the Newton ring issue.
iPad support story:
My wife's iPad original started having a problem with the screen. Jagged jumping lines all over the screen making it unreadable. Kinda like when a monitor's VGA cable is bad.
I took the iPad into the nearest Apple store and had the people at the genius bar take a look. They took it into the back for about 5 minutes and came back to me. They said that "a chip had fried" within the unit and it couldn't be repaired. They could sell me a "reconditioned" one for $369 and had one in the back.
I told them that I'd wait and talk to my wife about it. It was a 64g model and we already had over $800 invested in it, I didn't have much excitement for investing another $369 in 18 month old, obsoleted technology.
Fortunately, my wife says all she needs is email, a browser, movies and solitaire. She's not married to an iPad and would be happy with an Android tablet.
Ok, I think, I'll see how much of that 64gb she's using to start shopping for an Android tablet. I connect it via wire to sync it since the screen is skitzo. I figure I can see the amount of memory used in iTunes. But it won't sync. I can't get iTunes to recognize it.
I figure that the Genius Bar folks must have powered it down. So I pick up the iPad and go to turn it on. What's this? The screen is perfect. It's back to normal. Nothing is wrong. I hand it to my wife and say, "Here, I fixed it." She is grateful and doesn't ask how and I don't explain that I have no idea how.
So, it's been working for months now without a hitch. Had I listened to the idiots at the Genius Bar I would have been out $369 more.
Whew!

Next time, tell your buddy to check the warranty information. That's *standard* for *all* Apple products. 90 Days phone, 1 year warranty. You have to buy AppleCare to get more, which is 3 years of both Hardware and Phone support.
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Also, as long as you're within the warranty time, Apple goes leaps and bounds to make sure your experience is a good one. Example, on my MacBook Pro, I walked in because my n key and right command key stopped working. They gave me a whole new top half of the base, no questions asked. Just an hour in the back while I shopped around the mall.

Sonic Offline said:
Next time, tell your buddy to check the warranty information. That's *standard* for *all* Apple products. 90 Days phone, 1 year warranty. You have to buy AppleCare to get more, which is 3 years of both Hardware and Phone support.
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Also, as long as you're within the warranty time, Apple goes leaps and bounds to make sure your experience is a good one. Example, on my MacBook Pro, I walked in because my n key and right command key stopped working. They gave me a whole new top half of the base, no questions asked. Just an hour in the back while I shopped around the mall.
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About any quality laptop maker will do this, I had an issue with an Asus, key poped out. The sent me a new one without even a picture.
any hardware issue will be covered by the waranty, either by phone or by chat/e-mail or whatever. the Apple Care is for software or handeling the device, this, IMHO, is not related to "waranty", it is related to support, ie: How it works, how to make certain things, etc.
Under the 90 days period, you can call them to ask how to setup your email, or stuff like that. If you have an issue with the hardware not functonning properly, it's covered under the waranty.
And, for any device under waranty, you don't pay to troubleshoot the device, you pay so they do it for you.
BTW: the phone number IS in the link provided:
Phone: 1-800-SAMSUNG

t1mman said:
About any quality laptop maker will do this, I had an issue with an Asus, key poped out. The sent me a new one without even a picture.
any hardware issue will be covered by the waranty, either by phone or by chat/e-mail or whatever. the Apple Care is for software or handeling the device, this, IMHO, is not related to "waranty", it is related to support, ie: How it works, how to make certain things, etc.
Under the 90 days period, you can call them to ask how to setup your email, or stuff like that. If you have an issue with the hardware not functonning properly, it's covered under the waranty.
And, for any device under waranty, you don't pay to troubleshoot the device, you pay so they do it for you.
BTW: the phone number IS in the link provided:
Phone: 1-800-SAMSUNG
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http://www.apple.com/support/products/
Looks pretty warranty-ey to me.

Sonic Offline said:
http://www.apple.com/support/products/
Looks pretty warranty-ey to me.
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All Apple hardware comes with a one-year limited warranty and up to 90 days of complimentary telephone technical support. To extend your coverage further, purchase the AppleCare Protection Plan or AppleCare+.
Because Apple makes the hardware, the operating system, and many applications, Apple products are truly integrated systems. And only AppleCare products give you one-stop service and support from Apple experts, so most issues can be resolved in a single call.
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You have a 1 year Waranty and a 90 days of tech support. The 90 days is "Apple Care". This is the "Software support included". The 90 days and that's it.

t1mman said:
You have a 1 year Waranty and a 90 days of tech support. The 90 days is "Apple Care". This is the "Software support included". The 90 days and that's it.
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No. The AppleCare is a purchase-able warranty that extends your phone support AND hardware support to 3 years each.

Sonic Offline said:
Also, as long as you're within the warranty time, Apple goes leaps and bounds to make sure your experience is a good one. Example, on my MacBook Pro, I walked in because my n key and right command key stopped working. They gave me a whole new top half of the base, no questions asked. Just an hour in the back while I shopped around the mall.
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The difference is that you had to "walk in." My daughter, away at college, has a Dell computer. They showed up at her dorm room to fix it. I would consider that leaps and bounds.

TabGuy said:
The difference is that you had to "walk in." My daughter, away at college, has a Dell computer. They showed up at her dorm room to fix it. I would consider that leaps and bounds.
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To each their own. Personally, I don't like them coming to my house because the kind of problems I have are also the kind that you can't just fix on site. Sorry, but I'm not about to replace, say, a transistor on the motherboard, because a drive came loose and rattled around, and I don't think anyone who comes out on-site can do that, either. They'd have to "send it in" anyway to have it fixed, so I guess it's just a "different strokes for different folks" type deal.
My point still stands, though, about exactly what Applecare is. (not that that's directed at you)

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My point still stands, though, about exactly what Applecare is. (not that that's directed at you)
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As you can see from an earlier post of mine, I had idiots try to help me at the Genius Bar. It's a hit and miss thing when you enter a store. There are such varying talents that Apple has some real duds in the retail world.

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No. The AppleCare is a purchase-able warranty that extends your phone support AND hardware support to 3 years each.
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I don't get your point...
Waranty covers hardware issue
Apple provide a 90 days phone support for everything else.

t1mman said:
I don't get your point...
Waranty covers hardware issue
Apple provide a 90 days phone support for everything else.
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If you don't buy the warranty. What they offer for buying the product is complimentary. That is what I have been trying to say.

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If you don't buy the warranty. What they offer for buying the product is complimentary. That is what I have been trying to say.
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They offer a 1yr hardware warranty and 90 days of Applecare. That is standard warranty coverage. Purchasing Applecare is purchasing an extended warranty. The included warranty and support is required by law in some places and industry standard minimum.
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Speaking from my own experiences.....
Samsung warranty service is probably on par with being the victim of a lesser sexual assault. Definitely worse than an undesired grope. Just my opinion. Definitely felt powerless and used after dealing with Scamsung.
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WARNING! Buy At Your Own Risk

I would like to say first that I absolutely LOVE my Nexus 7 tablet. Having owned a couple of different Android tablets made by those other people (Samsung...even an iPad Mini), I can honestly say the N7 really is the best. With that being said, I would like to share my experience with them today, and I hope it helps others in being more informed about their decision to purchase in the future. Its kind of a long read, but you will be shocked at the end, so please see it through.
A week or so ago my tablet developed an issue where after waking it from standby I would have to toggle Airplane Mode on and off in order to access the internet. I was off work today so I called Google warranty about the issue. The gentleman I spoke with was very kind and, I believe, as helpful in the situation as he could be. After explaining the issue and running through some standard trouble shooting, the first technician I spoke with from Google concluded it was most likely a hardware issue and that someone from a different department (mind you, I was speaking to the warranty department already) would contact me via email in 24-48 hours.
After I hung up from him, I thought about it and something wasn't quite right. The warranty department should be able to generate a replacement or at the minimum an RMA right then, right? So I called back and asked to speak with a manager. I was transferred to a floor supervisor, explained everything that had transpired up until then, to which he promised to get to the bottom of the issue right then. He asked for my email address, which I provided, when he stated he could not find an order for a Nexus tablet. I proceeded to explain to him I purchased it from GameStop, I had the receipt with the box and date of purchase, when he abruptly cut me off to tell me he could not do anything about my warranty issue because it was bought from a third party. He explained I would have to go through the retailer or through Asus. Now, here is where my trouble with this begins. Is this not manufactured for, branded, and advertised as a GOOGLE Nexus 7 tablet...or is it brand, advertised, and sold as an Asus Nexus 7 tablet. Yes, I understand who actually manufactured it. But that is transparent. There are A LOT of products made by other manufacturers that are sold under a different brand name. In fact, there are actually quite few true "manufactures" in the world but they make and sell products daily under a different name. However, this floor supervisor was unwilling to provide me with any assistance at all. He did offer to connect me to Asus customer support.
Another hold later, and 20 something minutes into the call, I was connected to another very nice customer service rep from Asus. I again (third time) explained the issue and the steps already performed to remedy the situation. After speaking with him for a while, he agreed to issue an RMA so that one of there technicians could diagnose the problem and do a repair or replace. I asked at his point how long this process takes...TWO WEEKS. Mind you, I have only owned the tablet a total of exactly 7 weeks and 2 days. I told him that this was completely unacceptable. He then offered to upgrade my case to priority service. Again I asked for a time frame and was told this time...1-1/2 WEEKS, or 3 days faster. At this point I am furious. I asked if I could have a replacement sent out...NO. I asked if I could have one sent out with a hold on my credit card until my defective unit was received...NO. I asked if I could have a refund arranged...NO. I asked if he would be kind enough to contact GameStop to request an exchange be made...NO. MY ONLY OPTION ON A 7 WEEK OLD TABLET...A GOOGLE TABLET MIND YOU...WAS TO BE WITHOUT FOR 2 WEEKS! You have go to be kidding me! I sincerely thought Google was better than this.
I used the following analogy...you buy a brand new car. It has a warranty issue that needs fixed so you take it to the dealership at which point they say, "sorry but we cant fix it for 2 weeks" and leave you with no car. I honestly can not believe the customer service between these two companies is this poor. As well, I have had cell phones replaced by AT&T under warranty that CERTAINLY were not made by AT&T, yet Google does not share the same mindset although the tablet was clearly a Google product.
So, I write this as a warning for any of you that have purchased your tablet from GameStop, Best Buy, Staples, ect. what challenges you face should you ever need warranty service. And to those who did purchase off the Play Store exactly how Google is treating their customers. I love Google (a lot less now) but I will NEVER buy another Nexus/Google branded product again...not so much as rent a movie or buy a song from the play store. And I will take to any forum I can access to share my experience in an attempt to convince Google/Asus to improve their customer service. They have lost a customer and I implore you to share my experience with as many people as you can that may be considering a Google product or service in the future.

Here's another analogy: You buy an Apple phone from Best Buy and it develops a fault, where do you take it back to?
Buy a Google product direct from Google next time and learn about Consumer rights.

Apple is the exception in that example. Buy a Samsung, Motorola, LG, Blackberry, ect. and who handles warranty replacement? AT&T, right? ALTHOUGH it is clearly stated the MANUFACTURER warrants the product against defect. And yes...I am very aware we are not talking about AT&T, simply using it as an example.
Furthermore, I never once stated my consumer rights were violated, in fact I clearly said they offered a solution. However, from a consumer stand point, and in this case especially with the INTENDED transparency between Google and Asus, the issue was not handled with the consumer (me) in their best interest.
Feel free to flame me if you'd like, but I would put nickles to dimes that if it was you, you would feel the same way.
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You are completely right tho. The should have a shop on hand for when you call. Just for you. Only you. You. Did I mention you?
Yeah i'm talking to you.

sigaiser said:
Apple is the exception in that example. Buy a Samsung, Motorola, LG, Blackberry, ect. and who handles warranty replacement? AT&T, right? ALTHOUGH it is clearly stated the MANUFACTURER warrants the product against defect. And yes...I am very aware we are not talking about AT&T, simply using it as an example.
Furthermore, I never once stated my consumer rights were violated, in fact I clearly said they offered a solution. However, from a consumer stand point, and in this case especially with the INTENDED transparency between Google and Asus, the issue was not handled with the consumer (me) in their best interest.
Feel free to flame me if you'd like, but I would put nickles to dimes that if it was you, you would feel the same way.
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For more reports of mishandling and cruddy CS, go here:
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/nexus/mG4JXaT-SHs[1-25-false]
Feel free to add your experience....

danvee said:
For more reports of mishandling and cruddy CS, go here:
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/nexus/mG4JXaT-SHs[1-25-false]
Feel free to add your experience....
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Thanks for the link...I posted there as well. It is cruddy. I would
D have expected more from Google in a situation like this.
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tweaked said:
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You are completely right tho. The should have a shop on hand for when you call. Just for you. Only you. You. Did I mention you?
Yeah i'm talking to you.
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I'm not going to reply, much, to your sarcasm other than to say that if you think I expect more from Google than anyone else, then you're sorely mistaken but entitled to your opinion. If you read any of the post, and you comprehend written text, you could easily deduce that I was stating their current policy (unwritten mind you) on buying from third party retailers.
With that being said, how about being constructive vs. Being a smart ass. Thanks for reading.
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djsubterrain said:
Here's another analogy: You buy an Apple phone from Best Buy and it develops a fault, where do you take it back to?
Buy a Google product direct from Google next time and learn about Consumer rights.
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Buying direct from Google won't help. When I had to have my Nexus phone replaced, under warranty, I called Google since I bought it on the play store. They gave me a number to Samsung(It was a Galaxy Nexus) and Samsung did exactly the same thing. I had to go to Wal-mart and buy a cheap flip phone to use for 2 weeks while Samsung replaced my 2 month old phone which I had bought from the Google Play Store.

It is definitely nice to go to an apple store and have a replacement in 10 minutes if you have a bad phone... I had an issue with my galaxy s4 and at&t didnt have any in stock to replace it with.... Bad experience.

I actually feel nothing is wrong with the warranty service options the OP mentioned.
It would be above average for the industry.
If I bought a premium car like Lexus then I would expect a nice loaner if my car needs works.
But if I paid for a Toyota, then it's up to the dealer ... a shuttle ride is nice enough.
I even bought my 2012N7 over ebay, haha. Worst case, I just call Asus.
Unless Google promises something and doesn't deliver ... otherwise, it's up to them (that's why I normally
talk nicely to the customer-service people).

sigaiser said:
I'm not going to reply, much, to your sarcasm other than to say that if you think I expect more from Google than anyone else, then you're sorely mistaken but entitled to your opinion. If you read any of the post, and you comprehend written text, you could easily deduce that I was stating their current policy (unwritten mind you) on buying from third party retailers.
With that being said, how about being constructive vs. Being a smart ass. Thanks for reading.
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But, I'm only good at smartass comments.

i had my nexus 4 RMA due to faulty screen and i had the most wonderful experience, the lady i spoke to gave me no trouble what so ever promptly sent me an email with the order replacement link, put the hold on my card and 2 days later brand new N4 at my door, i would actually prefer to order directly from them after that experience

Also had a good experience with the nexus 4, screen was super dim, Google sent me a new one and have me a shipping label to send my old one in the same box
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One of the reasons why I always buy from companies with excellent customer service.
Few examples..
Bought a Galaxy Nexus from Amazon and after 6months+ it developed a fault.. cant remember what it was. So me being me... its been 6months+ I contact Samsung because its been so long. They told me they can get it fixed within a week. I get it back and its worse then when i sent it. I tried again.. sent it, came back and still as bad. I contact samsung again and explain to them. They said they will contact me within a few days.
While waiting i thought what the heck... Contacted Amazon and explained Samsung has wasted my time and if possible would like a refund. They said ok right away and got my money back! Samsung contact me and I vented out to the manager/supervisor on the line and all he could say was thats great that you got a refund....
Bought a Nexus 4 direct from Google.. Again after 6months+ it starts over heating. Contact google and they said we can replace it for you no problem. They sent out a new one while i still had the faulty one.
I would pay more for a product just to have great customer service then to get it a little cheaper and have next to no customer service.

So uh, you're mad because you have to ship your tablet back to the manufacturer to replace it?
Yeah man, that's total BS! Having to send it back to the manufacturers so they can fix it, it isn't like you do that with any other product you own right?

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@ sigaiser
I understand your frustration. I have an old Nexus 7, which I bought in the UK from PC World. It developed a fault where it would not charge. PC World referred me to ASUS, who ran through various ideas to fix it (most of which I had tried after internet forum searches), gave me a code and an RMA, and told me 7 to 10 days. It was picked up by the courier for next day delivery to Triage Services, who do ASUS repairs in the UK. After 4 weeks, it came back and still had exactly the same fault. (Later, I found that Triage had replaced the motherboard.) SO after another couple of days of trying to sort it out again, I rang again and got another RMA and an email telling me to book it in. I was also told that I should have been told "up to 30 days" not 7 to 10. The courier web site this time told me I'd have to pay for the return (different courier first time) though subsequently ASUS complaints told me that that was a courier error. Away it went again, and came back with the battery re-seated. It did not charge up, so off it went again. After another couple of weeks, making a total of 8 1/2 weeks, it came back with a new wall charger - supposedly that was no longer charging (even though when it left, it happily charged my Nexus 4). I HAD told them it was not that, as 3 different chargers would not charge The Nexus 7. It lasted that day, then refused to charge fully overnight, and charging to a lower % each night. All ASUS would offer was another RMA. :crying:
In the end, I threw myself on the mercy of the team at PC World, and asked if there was anything they could do - perhaps a discount on a different tablet. They had a chat, and gave me a new Nexus 7, this time with their "Whatever Happens" replacement insurance. Result. In future I think I will be getting my stuff from them with that guarantee.:laugh:
The current Nexus 7 charges up MUCH faster than the first one ever did, so either something had been changed, or the first was always faulty.
ASUS had been helpful, but they required THREE parts of the tablet replaced before they'd replace the whole thing. I had only had one so even though I'd lost it for more than 2 months out of the 12 month guarantee they would not consider either a replacement, or even extending the warranty for the 2 months I had been without.
Triage services, on the other hand, who supposedly did the repairs, I have no time for. First time round, they booked the tablet in to their workshop 5 days after they got it (thus showing ASUS that they were working on it faster than the truth). Then clearly they never actually tried it any of the three times before returning it.

joshyc5 said:
So uh, you're mad because you have to ship your tablet back to the manufacturer to replace it?
Yeah man, that's total BS! Having to send it back to the manufacturers so they can fix it, it isn't like you do that with any other product you own right?
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No, I'm not mad I have to send it back to the manufacturer. I'm mad because that is the ONLY option to send it back. Google told me on the phone if I bought it direct from them, they would send out a replacement right then and there. So what's the difference? GameStop is an authorized retailer. It's not like it was a black market knock off from Amazon. And as far as Asus goes (who is the manufacturer yet not a reseller), they offer no way to have a replacement sent, even with a credit card hold. So the ONLY option is to go without and wait 2 weeks, or whatever the turnaround time ends up being, without the product you paid for. That's what makes me mad.
And maybe I'm missing something, but what I can't get over is the fact that it's made for Google and sold by Google, yet Google is not supporting products sold by third party retailers although it carries their name.
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I really don't see a 1-1.5 week wait as being that big of a deal, sure it would be nice to get it replaced with a new one but they do not have to offer that to you. The warranty doesn't say that they offer replacements at the first sign of an issue. Since you bought it from a 3rd party retailer I wouldn't expect Google to take care of it since it is an ASUS tablet. If you'd purchased it from the Play Store and they wouldn't help then that would be a problem.

They just couldn't move as fast as you *commanded* them too? F off.

aiiee said:
They just couldn't move as fast as you *commanded* them too? F off.
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Lol, whatever. Easy to hide behind a screen name. You wouldn't say it to my face so why say it online?
Either way, moderators, just close this thread. Obviously no one has the intelligence to understand the point I was attempting to make so it does no one any good for it to remain open as its only going to turn ugly.
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Htc awful customer service and warranty department

Have purchased 8 HTC devices over the last 10 years and most recently the One M9. I was prepared to give HTC a chance when the press ridiculed them for lack of progress versus competitors.
My biggest problem was HTC's awful customer service/warranty department who when made aware of the sapphire glass on my rear camera failing would NOT repair it under warranty and told me that I would have to pay for it myself. The device has a Tempered Glass Protector on Screen and Camera along with a Spigen Case on top. My loyalty means nothing to HTC and I will NEVER spend my hard earned money on a HTC product again. I would NEVER recommend HTC to ANYONE and I can see now why the Company has gone into decline. Failure to look after Loyal customers will result in their demise when Samsung LG and Apple are vastly superior in this department.
My Galaxy S5 developed a problem with the rocker buttons and was fixed free of charge a full year into ownership. My iPhone 4s developed an issue with Battery and they simply replaced the device. HTC didn't want to know.
I feel that if this is how they treat their loyal customers then they simply deserve to fail. My hard earned money will be spent elsewhere from now on.
Have you guys had issues with HTC??? If you haven't yet considered a HTC device but might consider one then please do be careful.

jody04c said:
Have purchased 8 HTC devices over the last 10 years and most recently the One M9. I was prepared to give HTC a chance when the press ridiculed them for lack of progress versus competitors.
My biggest problem was HTC's awful customer service/warranty department who when made aware of the sapphire glass on my rear camera failing would NOT repair it under warranty and told me that I would have to pay for it myself. The device has a Tempered Glass Protector on Screen and Camera along with a Spigen Case on top. My loyalty means nothing to HTC and I will NEVER spend my hard earned money on a HTC product again. I would NEVER recommend HTC to ANYONE and I can see now why the Company has gone into decline. Failure to look after Loyal customers will result in their demise when Samsung LG and Apple are vastly superior in this department.
My Galaxy S5 developed a problem with the rocker buttons and was fixed free of charge a full year into ownership. My iPhone 4s developed an issue with Battery and they simply replaced the device. HTC didn't want to know.
I feel that if this is how they treat their loyal customers then they simply deserve to fail. My hard earned money will be spent elsewhere from now on.
Have you guys had issues with HTC??? If you haven't yet considered a HTC device but might consider one then please do be careful.
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I've had six M9's trying to get a phone without a bent frame around the screen! On the last one I thought that rather than return it to Amazon again, I would speak to HTC and see if they would fix the frame for me so I could keep it, as I really love the phone.
The customer service rep basically told me that I would have to pay for them to look at it and for any repairs made and that it was my fault for purchasing a cheap phone from Amazon and not from them directly.
So my reply was, do HTC make two versions of this phone, one cheap that has build quality problems and the other expensive which is perfect? She was confused and said all are the same?! Basically I told her that HTC have serious issues with this handset and she denied it. I highlighted the company is in trouble and that good service is needed to keep loyal customers from leaving, she didn't think HTC had any worries about it's business?! On complete denial about everything and no help at all.
So, long and short of it, I returned the handset to Amazon and will never go near HTC again. I used my local guy in China to source me a Nubia Z9 Mini so i can give the new IMX234 a go, as the camera looks bloody amazing, unlike the M9!

andybg40 said:
I've had six M9's trying to get a phone without a bent frame around the screen! On the last one I thought that rather than return it to Amazon again, I would speak to HTC and see if they would fix the frame for me so I could keep it, as I really love the phone.
The customer service rep basically told me that I would have to pay for them to look at it and for any repairs made and that it was my fault for purchasing a cheap phone from Amazon and not from them directly.
So my reply was, do HTC make two versions of this phone, one cheap that has build quality problems and the other expensive which is perfect? She was confused and said all are the same?! Basically I told her that HTC have serious issues with this handset and she denied it. I highlighted the company is in trouble and that good service is needed to keep loyal customers from leaving, she didn't think HTC had any worries about it's business?! On complete denial about everything and no help at all.
So, long and short of it, I returned the handset to Amazon and will never go near HTC again. I used my local guy in China to source me a Nubia Z9 Mini so i can give the new IMX234 a go, as the camera looks bloody amazing, unlike the M9!
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Its no surprise they are a failing company when that is how they treat loyal customers who have a genuine quality control issue. The support from HTC is disgusting. I'm glad to hear they have lost another customer due to their awful support.

I have had zero problems with their customer service or warranty. In fact they corrected a problem sprint created. Everyone has a different experience. Samsung and apple both treated me like ****. Hell apple charged me for a phone I didn't even have lol had to go to court.
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Well there are also customers that drop their phone and it breaks glass, scratches, dents, dings, starts malfunctioning, etc....and then they call HTC and say it is defective and not their fault. Unfortunately HTC has no way of knowing who is lying and who is not. If they exchanged phones for every customer that claimed defect, they would be exchanging phones that people broke left and right. Certain things shouldn't come loose or start to rattle and if that starts happening they will know it is a defect once they get enough cases. Unfortunately with glass, it is the easiest and most common thing broken on a phone, so doing warranty replacements for broken glass is rare. A screen protector and case do nothing for protecting the camera glass. Most people this has happened to are blaming excessive heat. So I'm assuming you had your phone on the charger over night and it may have overheated from the charger. It would be nice if HTC would at least make an effort to investigate and see if this is possibly happening.

I've only had one experience with HTC customer service, but they replaced the pink tint camera on my M7 for just the labor costs even though it was out of warranty and two years old. YMMV, I guess.

I had this problem as well. It's like talking to a wall with these guys. If you say we will replace your phone no matter what the problem,no questions asked, than you best live up it. When I called, I was bombarded with questions and told I had to pay for them to fix it.

I'll just chime in with my own experience...
I had an HTC One Mini that developed hairline cracks in the plastic (this was a VERY common issue with this phone) and talking with HTC support was, like BR7fan said, talking to a freaking wall. They were totally unaware of the issue even though it was widely reported on XDA. They said they MIGHT be able to fix it for free, but they couldn't tell until they saw it (understandable). But there was a chance I'd have to pay for repair even though there was obviously damage related to neglect. Also, I work remotely, so I have to have my phone for work and the only option was for me to send it in and wait for repair. Anyway, I was frustrated and ended up taking the phone to an AT&T service center and sweet talking them to swap it out for me.
My second experience with HTC was more recent and much better. I had my M8 in my shirt pocket and bent over to pick something up and it slipped out onto the concrete. The glass cracked and there was damage to the metal body. This time I used chat support and the rep couldn't have been better to deal with. I told him what happened, and he checked and said I was eligible for a replacement under the screen replacement policy. I told him that the metal had also been damaged, and he asked me to describe the damage, and while he wouldn't say with 100% certainty that there wouldn't be a problem swapping it out (understandable since I could have been under-reporting the level of damage) he said kind of off the record that if the damage was as I described, there wouldn't be a problem. Anyway, they put a $599 hold on my card + $29 for overnight shipping and the next day I had my new M8 and sent my damaged one back. About a week later the hold was removed from my card.
Anyway, I've had awful CS experiences at a lot of places and then later had great ones. I think it's really hit or miss with these large corporations.
Finally, I think HTC is attempting to shift their warranty policy to be more liberal in replacing/repairing physically damaged phones and honoring warranty for unlocked ones. It seems like this shift isn't going as smoothly as some of us consumers would like.

cstrife999 said:
Hell apple charged me for a phone I didn't even have lol had to go to court.
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Please expand on that

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My gd had an iPhone 4 though att and paid for apple care and the whatnot. Well she lost the sim card for it (don't ask) and we had to go to att to replace it. The clerk dropped and broke her phone. Att said they would give her a new one without issue as it was 100% fault of the store clerk. Apple sent an email claiming she was commuting fraud and the video evidence that was sent was altered. Att fought with them and eventually won. Well they gave her the phone and everything was fine. Then apple sent an email and a bill through the mail for damages for an iPhone 5s that she didn't have and claimed they could prosecute her for fraud... Yea... In the end apple got her a 5s and she got to keep the 4 as way of a settlement. She could have really ****ed apple up.
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My gd had an iPhone 4 though att and paid for apple care and the whatnot. Well she lost the sim card for it (don't ask) and we had to go to att to replace it. The clerk dropped and broke her phone. Att said they would give her a new one without issue as it was 100% fault of the store clerk. Apple sent an email claiming she was commuting fraud and the video evidence that was sent was altered. Att fought with them and eventually won. Well they gave her the phone and everything was fine. Then apple sent an email and a bill through the mail for damages for an iPhone 5s that she didn't have and claimed they could prosecute her for fraud... Yea... In the end apple got her a 5s and she got to keep the 4 as way of a settlement. She could have really ****ed apple up.
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I think it goes to show how customer service can be inconsistent, which in itself is a problem.
My first 6plus had a sunken home button, so wouldn't 'click' as such and the edge of the hole in the glass where the button fits was sharp and uncomfortable to use. Walked in to my local Apple store and walked out with a brand new handset within 5mins, no questions asked.
Got my other half a iPhone 6 and had to return it as she won't move on from her G2, got a refund instantly, again no questions.
Anyone got any ideas how to get my wife away from the G2? Everything else I get for her to try she doesn't like because the bloody icons and app settings are different, between platforms and handsets!

andybg40 said:
I think it goes to show how customer service can be inconsistent, which in itself is a problem.
My first 6plus had a sunken home button, so wouldn't 'click' as such and the edge of the hole in the glass where the button fits was sharp and uncomfortable to use. Walked in to my local Apple store and walked out with a brand new handset within 5mins, no questions asked.
Got my other half a iPhone 6 and had to return it as she won't move on from her G2, got a refund instantly, again no questions.
Anyone got any ideas how to get my wife away from the G2? Everything else I get for her to try she doesn't like because the bloody icons and app settings are different, between platforms and handsets!
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Yeah, too often it seem to depend on what CSR you get, and how their supervisor has been behaving that week.
I've twice had to get the trackpad on my MBP replaced, both times were my fault (too much eating and drinking at my desk :silly, and both times Apple fixed it no questions asked under the protection plan.

andybg40 said:
Anyone got any ideas how to get my wife away from the G2? Everything else I get for her to try she doesn't like because the bloody icons and app settings are different, between platforms and handsets!
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When you figure that out pls share the secret!
My wife has a freaking blackberry z10!!! That she doesn't want to give up because "everything is set up how she wants it".....
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I can tell you that Apple is undoubtedly the BEST in the service and support department! I just don't understand how these other companies can't see how simple it is and just do it the way Apple does! I mean, it makes me not want to buy another Samsung, LG or HTC product, because ALL of them I have had issues with at one point or another. The one time I had an issue with Apple I was so pissed off that I called in to customer care and spoke to a manager about the problem that I had at a store nearby. She saw that I had purchased about 10 Apple devices in the last 8 years or so, and gave me $150 credit for Apple accessories and also next day aired me a brand new 6 Plus because the Apple store would not replace it after I was having problems and I just got done spending almost a grand for the damn thing! These phones are expensive, and if these companies can't take care of us then go somewhere else because someone is willing to take care of you the right way! Just like this G4 I have that has marks on the display due to a screen coating issue at the plant. Because it;s an International model they won't touch it! WOW I understand that companies don't honor some warranties when you buy an imported phone, but when it's 3 days old and the phone just came out and it has defects that are 100% LG's fault, they should have just told me to send the damn thing in and they would fix it, now they lost my business! That just cost them quite a bit considering I buy EVERY damn flagship that comes out! (almost) They don't care though.... -END OF RANT-

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I'll just chime in with my own experience...
I had an HTC One Mini that developed hairline cracks in the plastic (this was a VERY common issue with this phone) and talking with HTC support was, like BR7fan said, talking to a freaking wall. They were totally unaware of the issue even though it was widely reported on XDA. They said they MIGHT be able to fix it for free, but they couldn't tell until they saw it (understandable).
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Uh they ARE aware of that, I talked about it with people from HTC (and Elevate) and they fixed my border without hassle (though I got a border back that's in even worse shape, but I blame Dynafix for that, not HTC.)

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Uh they ARE aware of that, I talked about it with people from HTC (and Elevate) and they fixed my border without hassle (though I got a border back that's in even worse shape, but I blame Dynafix for that, not HTC.)
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Sorry, I should have clarified. This was about a month or two after they came out.

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Sorry, I should have clarified. This was about a month or two after they came out.
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Ah yeah, my request was like a year after release.
But come on, if it was only a month or 2 after release it could be expected that they (the support) wasn't aware of that. Because at first hearing about it, HTC will most likely just sit by and keep eye on it, see if many experience it (as in a certain % compared to sold devices) and then decide to undertake action or just play ffin stupid.
Support can't be blamed with that, they just followed order

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Ah yeah, my request was like a year after release.
But come on, if it was only a month or 2 after release it could be expected that they (the support) wasn't aware of that. Because at first hearing about it, HTC will most likely just sit by and keep eye on it, see if many experience it (as in a certain % compared to sold devices) and then decide to undertake action or just play ffin stupid.
Support can't be blamed with that, they just followed order
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I wasn't blaming the person. There was already a thread on XDA aboout the issue, but I imagine CS reps are discouraged from acknowledging internet speculation. I was frustrated with the system that was going to make me send my phone in for repair rather than them sending me a new one (with a CC hold, obviously) and then me sending the defective one back. I guess it wasn't clear in my post, but I use this phone for work and didn't have a backup.

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Haha, you should. It's exactly as you say it is to the company "just speculation", companies always use bull**** like "only vocal minority" to deceive others. So they rather keep it quiet and ignore forums like this on purpose

I owned a beautiful metallic red HTC One m7 untill recently. It was rooted + BL unlocked (not S-off) since day1 and never ran stock rom. I started noticing all the pictures were out of focus and that camera was stuck in macro mode. I took it back to shop for warranty (it was 1y 8 months old) and they sent it back to HTC for repair. Bootloader showed Relock and it was on an old stock rom nandroid that I found from internet
Almost 3 weeks later it was back, with new camera that was excellent again. They updated to latest Lollipop rom even, with BL still in relock. However they messed up upper speaker grill as the metal was no longer flush with body (stuck out enough to be clearly felt by finger when swiping on screen). I took it back to shop, complained and it got sent away again.
Another 2,5 weeks go by and I get the phone back. This time HTC completely changed the body and screen. It was like having a brand new One M7 in beautiful red. It had still same motherboard and still relock BL. However.... they forgot to install/connect the headset speaker.. so I had no sound when calling someone >_>. Back to shop, complain, explain and return the phone..
So a week later I got the phone back. Except I didnt get the phone back. What I got back was a 32GB M9 in gunmetal grey. I am both happy to have a proper upgrade and for free, a little sad to see my lovely M7 taken from me and quite disappointed in the QC of HTC repair centres.

Amazon Note 7 Recall Policy - Reckless?

Amazon is apparently refunding all buyers of Note 7 phones and letting them keep the old potentially defective ones until further notice. Once the refunds are given back, it would be futile for Amazon to request and enforce that the original buyers send them back to them for shipment back to Samsung. Note that they have no exchange policy in place for replacement Note 7 phones in place so they can't even put credit card holds on anyone not returning their phone.
In my opinion, this is very reckless of them as this policy could effectively create a black market for the less morally-responsible segments of buyers to start selling these devices to people on Craigslist, eBay, Swappa, or any number of sites. In a worst-case scenario these phones can cause injuries or property damage to unknowing buyers who would be deceived by these unscrupulous sellers as they never were repaired by Samsung.
Lastly, Amazon.com has recommended by users stop using the Note 7 with the Gear VR headsets, which makes sense as you don't want a potential fire-bomb that close to your eyes. Surprising that Samsung nor any other carriers haven't released a statement about that yet...
Check out the link below for their instructions and official statements.
http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-note-7-recall-714419/

This is beyond reckless and borders on criminal! This whole recall has been handled poorly and should have been done the the Consumer Product Safety Commission. Just as an aside regarding this recall... I have contacted Verizon 3 time and have received 3 different answers regarding the recall. WE are doomed... this whole world is doomed by the lack of consideration shown by Samsung, Verizon and the Government!

Dang I should of bought the note 7 from amazon , would of basically got a free phone ..... I got mine from Verizon but honestly not even gonna exchange it for a new one cause I have had zero issues with my battery , so I see no need to exchange it especially sense it is only effecting 1% of the phones and most of the 35 phones that the battery blew up or something else has been the international note 7 . Way I see it is of nothing is wrong with yours no need to go exchange it .

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This is beyond reckless and borders on criminal! This whole recall has been handled poorly and should have been done the the Consumer Product Safety Commission. Just as an aside regarding this recall... I have contacted Verizon 3 time and have received 3 different answers regarding the recall. WE are doomed... this whole world is doomed by the lack of consideration shown by Samsung, Verizon and the Government!
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Calm down. Don't get micro aggressed over the recall. The world isn't doomed because of a phone recall. Your life will continue as normal during this and any other recall. Go get triggered by the sound of wind somewhere else.

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Calm down. Don't get micro aggressed over the recall. The world isn't doomed because of a phone recall. Your life will continue as normal during this and any other recall. Go get triggered by the sound of wind somewhere else.
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Micro aggressed? Oh you are so silly. No one is saying the world is doomed, but there is a proper way to handle consumer product safety issues. (faulty air bags anyone?) If you dont think this recall is not a major problem then you certainly are in your own little bubble. Major Airlines banning the Note 7 from flying in their planes, a house fire caused by a Note 7 here in the States, not to mention fires elsewhere including injuries. Does some one need to die before I can be micro aggressed? BTW not really the proper context to use the word. Of course this should have been handled by the Consumer Product Safety Commission, but perhaps you don't understand what that entails when they get involved. I forgive your ignorance as well as your ridiculous posting.

Honestly, eBay, Gazelle, Swappa, and others need to ban Note 7s from being sold on their sites until Samsung can come up with a way to tell what phones are defective based on IMEI or something. The last thing anybody wants are injuries and property being damaged because unscrupulous people selling old stock to unknowing buyers (unless you happen to be a sociopath). Sucks if you are one of those people who depends on selling old gear to buy new gear but you need to deal with it.

I think Amazon is trying to avoid "Hot Potatoes". Nuthin' like storing a warehouse of incendiary time bombs, you know?
Also, if they are not safe enough to sell or store in large quantities they certainly are not safe enough to ship.
I know it is claimed they only ignite when charging but....

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I think Amazon is trying to avoid "Hot Potatoes". Nuthin' like storing a warehouse of incendiary time bombs, you know?
Also, if they are not safe enough to sell or store in large quantities they certainly are not safe enough to ship.
I know it is claimed they only ignite when charging but....
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They won't be storing them for long though. They'll just be a transit depot which will send any defective units back to Samsung like the US carriers, Best Buy, etc. If those guys can do it Amazon should be able to I would think. I think they're just lazy and hoping customers will just deal with Samsung directly on their own volition. Of course, some of these customers would be the ones who potentially are morally-bankrupt enough to sell defective phones to unknowing buyers.

"No one is saying the world is doomed" - 8th Sept. ..... "WE are doomed... this whole world is doomed" - 6th of Sept....
Say again?

The first use of We are doomed is figurative, the second time was literal. Context is everything.
BTW This recall has now come under the auspices of the Consumer Product Safety Commission, Just as I was calling for and you are worried about my use of "we are doomed" in the figurative and literal sense. You have added nothing to this thread just as the other person added nothing to this thread. We are doomed!

Google Pixel/XL Class-Action Lawsuit

https://lifehacker.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-google-pixel-clas-1822843434
Looks like we might be entitled to a bit of money. The article says we don't have to do anything and will be contacted via mail. I'm not sure how "they" know all of our addresses though. It would be nice if there was a list to join for emailed updates and information. Please leave a comment if you have any further knowledge!
Article TLDR:
WHO?
"According to the filing, the case covers 'all individuals in the United States who purchased a Google Pixel or Pixel XL smartphone, other than for resale, between October 4, 2016 and the present.'" with the exception of "people directly connected to Google or the trial. That includes anyone working at Google, a Google subsidiary, or Google-affiliated company. It also rules out any judges assigned to the case, along with their immediate family."
WHEN?
"For now, there’s not much you need to do. Just by buying a Pixel phone you’re included in the class action lawsuit. Once a trial is approved you’ll probably receive a notice in the mail telling you how to actively join the case. It will also explain how to file a claim once the lawsuit is settled— assuming there’s some money to be had."

WHY?
Google’s Pixel and Pixel XL smartphones suffer from what the company called a “hairline crack in the solder connection on the audio codec.” In some cases, this made it extremely difficult to use the microphone, making phone calls and voice commands impossible.
The company says only 1% of Pixel phones included the defect, but the lawsuit notes that within just a few weeks of the device’s launch people were already reporting issues with the microphone. Instead of offering refunds, Google replaced some defective smartphones with new units that had the exact same issue. Even worse, the company never stopped selling the Pixel and Pixel XL despite mounting evidence that something was wrong.

I feel like I got ripped off by Google, and I'm not buying another, Lots of issues with this phone, and if you take a photo near the sun you get BIG round sun flairs.

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I feel like I got ripped off by Google, and I'm not buying another, Lots of issues with this phone, and if you take a photo near the sun you get BIG round sun flairs.
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That's also every phone and camera that isnt a dedicated camera that costs more than $1000. Do you feel ripped off with a dedicated camera that does this too? And I wouldnt say there were too many problems...some, sure, but enough to deter from buying another Google phone?
The price is more of a deterrent to buying another phone if you ask me.

Yeah I 2nd what @godfish said I bought an EOS Rebel and the damn thing won't make phone calls to save my life. I mean what the hell. But as far as my pixel XL goes, ever since I rooted and unlocked the bootloader and flashed a new rom everyday I seem to have apks crashing, substratum themes that don't mesh well with some apps. Loss of root from twrp. Its all Google's fault. So I was thinking of getting the pixel XL 2. How's it's camera? Does it work under water ?

I don't really get why there's got to be a class action lawsuit their exchange policy is awesome and easy to deal with. Had a problem with mine and it only took about a two-minute phone call before they sent me another one. People are always trying to get a dollar. I won't be joining the class action deal.

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I don't really get why there's got to be a class action lawsuit their exchange policy is awesome and easy to deal with. Had a problem with mine and it only took about a two-minute phone call before they sent me another one. People are always trying to get a dollar. I won't be joining the class action deal.
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My wife had 4 pixels before we demanded a different phone (a galaxy s7) from Verizon. Insane.

Joshuaboyzn said:
My wife had 4 pixels before we demanded a different phone (a galaxy s7) from Verizon. Insane.
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Yes that's no good. I had the first gen pixels big and small, they had no issues, maybe I got lucky. Then I got the pixel xl2, it had touch screen issue and they replaced it.

My PXL is all good. Did get a P2 and P2XL and both were fault: P2 had speaker issues and the P2XL had the worst blueshift imaginable. Returned both for full refund including all shipping costs,no hassles and no questions.
Not sure this is worth a class-action lawsuit, but then again, I'm not in America. Good luck if you get something (as long as that doesn't then affect the rest of us... Y'know, higher prices, for example)

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I don't really get why there's got to be a class action lawsuit their exchange policy is awesome and easy to deal with. Had a problem with mine and it only took about a two-minute phone call before they sent me another one.
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I refused to RMA because what I get back would not be bootloader unlockable. I've basically been clearing my cache in TWRP every day since November because of the random reboot issue. Many have exchanged phones multiple times and still receive a refurbished device that does the same thing. Without an unlocked bootloader and TWRP, I'd be suffering the same fate as many who just have to watch their phone reboot repeatedly until it dies.

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Yeah I 2nd what @godfish said I bought an EOS Rebel and the damn thing won't make phone calls to save my life. I mean what the hell. But as far as my pixel XL goes, ever since I rooted and unlocked the bootloader and flashed a new rom everyday I seem to have apks crashing, substratum themes that don't mesh well with some apps. Loss of root from twrp. Its all Google's fault. So I was thinking of getting the pixel XL 2. How's it's camera? Does it work under water ?
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I snorted out loud. I almost spit water all over my bed.

If you read Google's own discussion groups, this is a huge problem and there is clearly a manufacturing defect with the motherboard. This problem only affects the XL, it seems.
I was running stock and mine died suddenly at the ripe old age of 16 months. I was lucky compared to many others!
I expect a $100 off brand phone to last longer than 16 months, but I don't expect an off brand company to do anything for me when it dies. Spending nearly $900 on what's marketed as the best piece of premium hardware is different though, but Google could only refer me to an aftermarket shop that wants to charge me $350 for a new motherboard... There's no way to just but the replacement part.
Ignoring the fact that I feel like the right thing for Google to do is extend coverage for manufacturing defects like this, wouldn't the $350 repair simply be replacing my old defective hardware with new defective hardware? If Google won't admit to a problem, it's pretty much impossible for them to assure us that the problem has been addressed and that we should have faith in the replacement parts.
I've never filed a warranty claim in my life and can't stand it when people RMA their devices at the 12 month mark just to get a newer phone or to fix a screen that got cracked when they threw the phone into the wall.
Some of you can laugh if you want, but it will become very much not funny in a few more weeks/months when your device inevitably dies from the same issue.

Unfortunately, you are not the only customer.
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I don't really get why there's got to be a class action lawsuit their exchange policy is awesome and easy to deal with. Had a problem with mine and it only took about a two-minute phone call before they sent me another one. People are always trying to get a dollar. I won't be joining the class action deal.
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I just wrapped up a six month battle to replace a Nexus 6P that had device protection. I was offered a replacement during that famous "2 minute phone call" (6 month after purchase). When I saw I needed to authorize about a GRAND for the replacement I offered to send the phone and wait it out while using my Nexus 5X. I was told quite quickly (despite being told I would have the defective phone replaced with a Pixel XL) "WE WILL SEND YOU WHAT YOU SEND US." me: but you guys just told me you are aware it has a battery issue: " WE WILL SEND YOU WHAT YOU SEND US". 6 months later -and involving the Better Business Bureau: 2 days after emailing BBB -I had the Pixel XL. After asking them for 6 months to honor original solution.
I know a good product when I see one; or at least I respect innovation.
I use their phones for the tower/switch software/set-up.
But, I highly advise to use their system; while not purchasing through them.
If it's in there best interest to resolve the situation quickly and effectively; they will.
If your idea of fair is not inline with them; you are bounced infinitely between dept. Until the BBB jumps in.
Y'all been warned.
Hopefully, they are working on this.
THX. no hard feelings. honestly my 100% experience...
oh well