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Can we try EVO's new root method for 1.49?

Ran across this thread in the evo section, seeing how we also have htc's flash lite. It made me hopeful of attaining root. Ive tried every card mentioned as being successful on three different systems:-(
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=718889

bowtieduece said:
Ran across this thread in the evo section, seeing how we also have htc's flash lite. It made me hopeful of attaining root. Ive tried every card mentioned as being successful on three different systems:-(
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=718889
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Even though I didn't really think it would work, I gave it a shot anyway. Naturally, it was unsuccessful. The Eris take FOREVER to load that website, and it never triggers the shell script to ask for a reload, therefore permission is denied for the second part when you reboot with adb shell.
Interesting exploit, though. I wonder if there is some way to modify it for the Eris. Maybe you could contact the devs.

Really, nobody else is interested in this?

MyFixofAndroid said:
Yep that's what I expected. Yea there's gotta be someone here that can do the changes to the EVO files so they work with Eris, and upload the proper files to file sites and have us downloading in no time, so we can get root finally. Yes please anyone here up and willing
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Toastcfh used to do some work for the Eris someone may want to start there since he provided what looks to be a pretty main part of the EVO root.

sickbox said:
Toastcfh used to do some work for the Eris someone may want to start there since he provided what looks to be a pretty main part of the EVO root.
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Thanks for the tip. I sent him a PM. Will report back when I find something.

Anyone with an Eris can help out - rooted or unrooted.
I looked at those scripts last night - what seems like the necessary conditions for the beginning of the exploit (part1) are:
(1) there is a directory read/write/traversal permission security flaw in the data area for flash-lite;
(2) apparently, when flash-lite is running it must have root privilege at a moment when it performs a file "chmod" operation
So, an unprivileged user goes in, and makes a symlink (at the correct moment in time) in flash-lite's data area that points to a mtd partition - moments later, flash-lite "chmods" what it thinks is a file in it's data area, but instead, it is chmod'ing the target of a symlink - the normally protected mtd partition.
This allows use of flash_image to write whatever is wanted to that partition - even as an unprivileged user.
It should be easy enough for someone with Linux/Unix command line scripting experience to test to see if these conditions prevail on the Eris. You don't even need to be root - make your symlink point to something in /data/local if you are worried about something bad happening to a mtd partition. Chmod it initially to 600, and see if it get's changed by flash-lite when (and if) you drop the symlink into place.
I would do it, but I've got to go buy all the parts for ( & build) a new computer (no dev station as of last night ).
bftb0

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Anyone with an Eris can help out - rooted or unrooted.
bftb0
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Thank you for the detailed explanation. I'll have a look at the scripts, though it's more about learning new things for me, as this exceeds the current state of my unix knowledge. Hope others with more immediate knowledge of the subject will take a crack at it.

The shell script points to sharedobjects within /data/data/com.android.browser/flashlite, but sharedobjects, nor any folder for that matter, exists within that directory on the Eris. Is there a different place this could point; does the Eris have the same objects stored in a different location?

UPDATE: I'm searching my filesystem on my Eris right now to find it. I will report back later with results.
Also If we find a sharedobjects folder (and the right one) then we can point the script in the proper direction and have root very soon.

MyFixofAndroid said:
Maybe the "sharedobjects" folder and other missing folders are really on the Eris, one of you should look for them. Use ASTRO or a different file manager and search most of the whole filesystem and see if you can find "sharedobjects" on your Erises.
In the meantime I'll try the same thing. Maybe there's a search engine for the file system of the Eris that you can get in the Android Market, that would do the trick. A file and/or folder search engine.
If we find a sharedobjects folder (and the right one) then we can point the script in the proper direction and have root very soon.
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From what I see (and this may just be my eris), the directory probably does exist but we can't touch it:
ls -l
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drwxrwx--x system system 2010-04-15 02:23 data
...
No read or write permissions to the directory using adb or Astro.
I do have permissions for /sdcard/data on my Eris:
d---rwxr-x system sdcard_rw 2010-06-26 13:26 data
but it doesn't contain the referenced folders and I don't think the browser downloads temporary files to the SD card.

I checked on my other Eris which is rooted. It seems that these may be the directories that we are looking for. However I don't find anything in an app-cache directory.
# find / -name *flashlite
find / -name *flashlite
/data/data/com.android.browser/flashlite
find: /proc/851: No such file or directory
# find / -name com.android.browser
find / -name com.android.browser
/data/data/com.android.browser

Well this appears to be the deal breaker then. Because non-root users of Eris cannot access /data as non-root, they cannot see anything in app-cache, and therefore cannot root yet, at least with this particular method unless there's another way to do it.
We should think of a way to still exploit Flash Lite on Eris, but use a different folder/folders in the Part? scripts that they point to for the operations of the script. This may be possible to do, however, still unlikely to work, and it is still going to be hard at this point.
But does anyone want to give my modified EVO method but for Eris a try? One of you should, so that we can root this thing and get it over with.

jimbonj said:
From what I see (and this may just be my eris), the directory probably does exist but we can't touch it:
ls -l
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drwxrwx--x system system 2010-04-15 02:23 data
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No read or write permissions to the directory using adb or Astro.
I do have permissions for /sdcard/data on my Eris:
d---rwxr-x system sdcard_rw 2010-06-26 13:26 data
but it doesn't contain the referenced folders and I don't think the browser downloads temporary files to the SD card.
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I dont think we would need read write permissions to begin with to use this root, if we had them to start we would be rooted
Because is he using a exploit in flash lite to write to a restricted folder, hes not just found a folder where the permissions aren't set correctly.
If flash lite can invoke admin access and we can exploit it there should be a way to root this.
I am going to the bar going to get some beers for my friends birthday, when I get home I am going to see if I can modify this into an eris root

Yeah JVWARD!
On your rooting effort, all the better, try modifying it for Eris and let all of us know if you succeed, hope you can, so we can get root too. Keep trying it with different changes until you get it to work.
Thanks.

You are able to cd directly into /data/data/com.android.browser/ and then ls, so all hope may not be lost yet. The flashlite directory does not show up, I'm guessing because I haven't used my browser yet so I need to try and get to a flash site and see if it is created. I'm having some problems with the touch screen my leak Eris right now that I'm trying to fix right now if anyone else wants to give it a shot.

You are able to cd directly into /data/data/com.android.browser/ and then ls, so all hope may not be lost yet. The flashlite directory does not show up, I'm guessing because I haven't used my browser yet so I need to try and get to a flash site and see if it is created. I'm having some problems with the touch screen my leak Eris right now that I'm trying to fix right now if anyone else wants to give it a shot.
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Yes sickbox, by all means, keep trying stuff, and finding that "flashlite" directory etc. till you get it to root. Hope your touchscreen returns to normal, and that you can create the directory that you mentioned in your previous post by using a flash site.

Hey guys, I know this is a tall order, but I want to help. Any chance you could do a "step by step" set of instructions, or at least copy & paste the Evo instructions with the appropriate changes to try this on the Eris? I'm still not rooted, and the SD card Timing root method isn't working for me. I'd like to try something different.

hey can someone with a rooted Eris using a an almost 100% stock Rom setup dump there file system and post it. Anyone using a highly customized Rom don't bother.
Sent from my Eris using Tapatalk

lostpilot28 said:
Hey guys, I know this is a tall order, but I want to help. Any chance you could do a "step by step" set of instructions, or at least copy & paste the Evo instructions with the appropriate changes to try this on the Eris? I'm still not rooted, and the SD card Timing root method isn't working for me. I'd like to try something different.
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Link to the Evo instructions is in the OP. Currently working to see if it's possible on the Eris, so that's a no-go for now.
Stay tuned.

Team,
I've been working with the scripts with the awesome folks on IRC and have currently gotten thus far:
Part1 - http://pastebin.com/FUJWM3zW
Part2 - http://pastebin.com/6h07zrdm
I believe at this point I've screwed up my FlashLite plugin with my testing, so I'm going to try to recover that and keep moving along.
LR

VERY very long shot...

Hi all,
Love my HTC Desire so much i bought a Witstech A81E Android 2.2 Tablet. Which is pretty buggy to say the least though on the whole works well.
The one thing that is driving me crazy is a number of apps dont install with the logcat error:
"packagename.apk requires unavailable shared library com.google.android.maps"
Now from what i have read apparently this device does not come with Google Maps API so my question is how do i add it?
Can it be done? Do i need to modify a ROM to do it? can i push it via adb or apk?
A little help would be greatly appreciated.

It would need to have google apps installed to be able to access the libraries. Best bet is to find out if it has been rooted yet and try to install the proprietary applications they can't ship the device with.

appreciate the help mate. i've rooted the device though where can i find google maps api?
the unit already has google maps 5.0 installed but apparently doesnt have the API's.
Any idea what im looking for? will it be an APK or just some files i need to put in a system folder?
i think im over my head

additionally i have searched for any com.google.android.maps related data on my desire and have found the following:
/system/framework/com.google.android.maps.jar
/system/etc/permissions/com.google.android.maps.xml
/etc/permissions/com.google.android.maps.xml
/data/dalvik-cache/[email protected]@[email protected]
could it be as easy as copying this over to my tablet?
Ill try it out tonight.

If the application is installed correctly it should work because the api is stored in the data. Is the application on the tablet installed to the /system/ or /data/ partition. It might be looking for the data in /system/

not sure what you mean about where the application resides? you mean the app i am trying to install? The app i am trying to install is Tasker.
i have been doing some googling and saw someone else have the same problem and he managed to fix it:
When trying to install some apps, I would see this error message in logcat:
requires unavailable shared library com.google.android.maps
I had the Google Maps app installed and working, but that didn’t fix the issue. It turns out, I had to add two other files and restart the phone. I found those files in the google zip from Cyanogenmod. It took a little fiddling, but I was able to use these instructions to remount /system in write mode. First step was to take the following two files from the google apps zip (gapps-hdpi-20101114-signed.zip) and put them onto my sd card.
/system/etc/permissions/com.google.android.maps.xml
/system/framework/com.google.android.maps.jar
Then to load them onto the phone, I opened the terminal emulator and ran:
su
mount -o rw,remount -t yaffs2 /dev/block/mtdblock3 /system
cp /mnt/sdcard/com.google.android.maps.xml /system/etc/permissions/
cp /mnt/sdcard/com.google.android.maps.jar /system/framework/
Then after I rebooted the phone, I was able to install apps that depend on Google Maps. I can now check bus and train times, and do all kinds of other cool stuff with maps!
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i simply used root explorer to copy it across though still not working. surely someone smarter than me can tell me what i am doing wrong.
is copying with root explorer essentially the same as above?

damn i could have sworn someone here would have been switched on enough to help me on this
oh well back to random googling for me.

Well did you try using terminal emulator? And do what he did? B/c that looks like a remount to system to me easy as pie just do what he did you can find the files with root explorer or do it on your pc doesnt really matter. You can Not achieve what he did just using root explorer you need terminal emulator!

Sage said:
damn i could have sworn someone here would have been switched on enough to help me on this
oh well back to random googling for me.
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I don't know how much it will help (or if its 100 percent true) but I was just told recently that moving a file via root explorer is the same as pushing it via adb.
sent from gv1.5 on g2

^correct
Sent from Enrique Iglesias.

now i am confused. can i use root explorer or not? i used root explorer and then reset the correct permissions on the files though its still not working.
I take it i can get a terminal emulator that runs on the device itself yeah?
Ill try that next.
If that fails i am going to try my first attempt at cooking a ROM
Appreciate all the help!

no more love for Sage?
i dont know why its so hard..
I did try to cook the original ROM though unyaffs couldnt extract the img.
looks like i might have to boot up a Virtual nix box.. damn this is so much harder than it should be.

Alternative thoughts on preventing OTA update

I don't think I have seen any mention of this idea yet. Sorry if I missed it...
In a recent thread about the 6.2.2 update and people wanting to prevent it, I thought I read that someone saw the file show up in the update directory. I'm assuming this means the same 'kindleupdates' directory you could manually drop the update into -- but if not, the idea is the same. Why not just take some step to prevent access to this directory?
The exact step to take would depend on how smart the developers were about dealing with problems in the update process
The easiest step would be to chmod 555 it. But of course if the update process is running as root it is under no requirement to honor those permissions! (My experience in the unix world tells me that about half the time, programs running as root do honor the permissions even though technically root overrides them).
Another easy step would be to delete it altogether. But they probably thought of that (if it's /mnt/sdcard/kindleupdates where someone could easily accidentally delete it) and recreate it if it's missing.
One trick that is often done is to replace the directory with a file. Some programmers do not think to check this kind of condition - they see there is something there, but they get an error opening it as a directory, and they just declare it's an error.
A more subtle trick would be to replace the directory with a symlink that points to a read-only directory (such as /system). In this case, they could open it as a directory, and just fail to write there. The programmer probably would not have thought to check whether it's a link vs. a real directory. One possible gotcha is if you point to /system, and /system is r/w, then the update could screw something up under /system. So maybe mount /system r/w, mkdir /system/kindleupdates, remount /system r/o, then link the update dir to /system/kindleupdates.
And finally, I don't know if Android has any kind of loopback filesystem capability, but loopback-mounting something read/only on that directory would certainly fake the OS into thinking there was a directory there; it would definitely be read/only, and I don't think they would ever think to check whether there is actually some filesystem mounted there! (and if there was, all you need is an app that constantly accesses some file you put there, which would make it busy so that it couldn't be unmounted).

The first method won't work because the sdcard partition is fat32 and doesn't accept unix permissions.

it downloads to the /cache folder - this folder is also used for other things like market downloads, logs from twrp and i don't know what else
btw. there are a lot of threads about this from the 6.2.1 update
make a short search for "prevent ota update" - you'll have a lot to read ...

well, i just deregistered my kindle acount and i'm still in 6.2.1...

b63 said:
it downloads to the /cache folder - this folder is also used for other things like market downloads, logs from twrp and i don't know what else
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Ah, that makes this less practical. Still, perhaps when the next update comes out I can try a variation on this but it requires the filename to be known.
If the update is downloaded as a single file to /cache, which is named the same as the file you can manually grab, then someone who hasn't gotten 6.2.2 (and is not averse to this failing) can try this in a root shell:
mkdir /cache/update-kindle-6.2.2_D01E_3205220.bin
mkdir /cache/update-kindle-6.2.2_D01E_3205220.bin/blah
The purpose here is to put something unremovable in the way of the file it wants to download. Most likely if the update sees something with the existing name there it would probably want to blow it away (after determining it's incomplete) - and since any update there would normally be a regular file, they probably would do nothing more complicated than a simple unlink syscall to delete it before re-downloading. However, since it's a directory with something in it, that unlink will fail. In actuality, making the subdirectory (second command above) should be unnecessary because the unlink should not work for directories; there's a special rmdir syscall for them.
btw. there are a lot of threads about this from the 6.2.1 update
make a short search for "prevent ota update" - you'll have a lot to read ...
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I did read a lot of that last time and I don't think I actually saw a definitively successful method. If there is one it should be stickied
My interest in this is a little different from most of you guys - I have very limited satellite internet and I don't like these unscheduled 185-meg downloads so I want to be able to update only when I want mostly to control that. This kind of means looking for the least-intrusive way to accomplish this.

/cache/update-kindle-6.2.2_D01E_3205220.bin is exactly where it downloads
if you find a way to even prevent the download, that would be greatly appreciated

Unfortunately I already got the update so I can't try it this time.

at least you could try your method with a dummy file of an other name and try to overwrite it with adb - if you can't overwrite it there's a good chance

I think I'm about the only one who prevented 6.2.1. I did it by constantly checking the cache folder. Found the update by chance and deleted it before it updated. Waited over a week for it to come back. Never did. An app that watched the cache folder for the updates and then moved/deleted them would work fine
Sent from my SGH-I897 using xda premium

jcase already work a way around this automatic OTA update, so when FIREMOD is ready to replace burrito I think we will have no more problem with this OTA issue. (you can find jcase announcement in the kindle developer section)

Heres what I have done to prevent this.
1) Droidwall (white list only the apps you want to allow internet access)
2) Removed "otacerts.zip" from /system/etc/security/otacerts.zip.
3) I removed "OTASilentInstall.apk" /system/app
4) Installed this 6.2.2 based Rom http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1439916
Hopefully this eliminates the OTA. I had my Fire rooted on 6.2.1 with twrp and it OTA'd on its own, broke root and twrp. So I rerooted with burritoroot2 and installed CWM based recovery.

No write permission on pushed+ overwritten sdcard directories?

So I have something pretty strange going on.
I had a replacement device sent to me, and I decided to wholesale transfer the contents of the original device's sdcard to the new N7.
I adb pulled and then pushed the entire /sdcard/ over to the brand new device, which I did in recovery directly after rooting. I only installed the OTA first.
Now however, the pushed folders have incorrect permissions, and I can't find anyway to modify their contents. That means I can't delete, no files will go to the Download folder, all that stuff. The only work-around I have found is I can rename those folders,e.g. Download -> Download_old, thereby getting Chrome and Dropbox to now use a new Download folder with write permission, allowing them to work.
But I pushed over 7 gigs of stuff, and now it is permanent, which isn't really an option. When I finish those books, I want to delete them. When I am done with GTA3, I would like those files gone, and so forth.
Attempts to fix permissions, mount through ADB shell, those things haven't worked. When I open a shell and attempt to change permissions with chmod, the command goes through but the permissions do not change. This has been attempted as root. The files aren't corrupted, at least not in the sense that I can play games with the game files, read the .pdf's and so forth.
Any advice? I guess I could reflash the stock image, but I would rather not go through getting those files on again, especially if the only way to have managable permissions is to not overwrite, but to push each folder's contents individually. I of course will do this if no one has any thoughts, but I figured it could benefit others to commit this to posterity.
I have actually found a couple people with this problem, but after recieving advice similar to the steps I outline above, they disappear with no solution i could find.
Any ideas?
Update: Well, it has been 8-9 hours, and this post is already pushed to the bottom of page 3 in the forum queue, with 17 views. Gotta love these outreach devices. 8 milliom people asking questions and nobody answering them, lol.
Well, I am just going to reflash the stock image instead of giving this an artificial bump and waiting longer. You would be suprised how many things don't work without write to sd privileges, especially on a device with no emmc or removable storage. I have been playing with it for awhile, but like I said, I can't even remove files after su, so you know that something is serious. When superuser rights fail, you're in trouble.
For those imaginary future researchers, sorry no non-destructive solutions here. But if you want to send me a fellowship, I can share screenshots of the carnage.

i have exactly the same problem.
flashed new rom and wiped the device.
wanted to restore all my pictures and files.
restore went well...but could not write to the folders or delete them.
rename was the only possible thing. did not find a solution either. just hat to wipe.
won't push anything on the device via adb.
next time i'll do it the simple GUI way!

How to mount a NFS share?

Hello there!
I'm not sure wether this is the right Forum thread, nor if it's even possible.
English is not my first language, but i hope i can make myself clear and explain my problem.
As in the title mentioned I just want to mount a nfs share into my filesystem so that i can access my media through a vpn whereever I go.
I'm using a Synology Diskstation as NAS and created some NFS-shares (tried version 3 and 4) which are accessable in my Network. It's working flawless with my raspberry pi and with my debian system. I don't want to use smb (cfis).
I want to use my favorit musicplayer to listen to my music, mounted via fstab in the musicfolder for example.
Right now i'm using the yatse app, works fine - but it's just a workaround....
I tried FreedomOS(stock kernel and elementalx)+busybox and Resurrection Remix(stockkernel and lightningkernel)+ busybox. All i get is Invalid argument or error messages. I just can't get it to work. It's a linux system, why can't i use a simple nfs share?
Any help would be apreciated.
Thanks in advance!

I used to mount a nfs share with busybox so be sure to have that installed.
next be sure to have a working VPN connection to your home network.
One more thing to check is that VPN connections are allowed to access the nfs shares. Dont know if you need to set this up with synology or that it's enabled by default.

Thanks for the response.
I have all permissions set to get access to the nfs-share, tried it without vpn aswell. The vpn itself is working like a charm.
I have access to my NAS via webinterface and sftp, i can control and stream from my raspberry pi aswell. No problems with the vpn for sure.
I'm using busybox aswell. Can you post me your mount command or your fstab line for the mount?

the1weasel said:
Thanks for the response.
I have all permissions set to get access to the nfs-share, tried it without vpn aswell. The vpn itself is working like a charm.
I have access to my NAS via webinterface and sftp, i can control and stream from my raspberry pi aswell. No problems with the vpn for sure.
I'm using busybox aswell. Can you post me your mount command or your fstab line for the mount?
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I used this i believe.
Your kernel needs to support it.
https://gist.github.com/aldur/4a3f90a111b71662f056

maikvitesse said:
I used this i believe.
Your kernel needs to support it.
https://gist.github.com/aldur/4a3f90a111b71662f056
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Thats exactly what i was told over here https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5/development/kernel-elementalx-op3-1-00-t3626808/post73156290#post73156290
I will follow up on that, thanks for pointing me in the right direction aswell.

Ok, i was able to mount the share.
Now that it's getting a general question i will follow up here. I posted what i did over here aswell and got it solved to this state.
I can see the files in the Terminal, but not in any App (explorer, musicplayer etc.).
As i already wrote here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73161675&postcount=437 I'm guessing it's because i mounted as root so normal users can't use it. Or at least thats what I'm thinking.
I searched the forum already and just found a thread with someone having the same problem without solution.
Is there a way that i can use the mounted share with any app I want?

Just for the roundup.
Here is whats working:
mount a nfs-share through an terminal app. => Files are visible/browsable
whats not working:
Use the mounted nfs-share systemwide with any other app.
What i tried (used Termux):
mount into /mnt/remotenfs => files show up in terminal, just there.
mount into /storage/emulated/0/Music/remote => files show up in terminal, just there.
mounted the share and then started an explorer (solidexplorer) from terminal - same result. No fileaccess through explorer.

the1weasel said:
Just for the roundup.
Here is whats working:
mount a nfs-share through an terminal app. => Files are visible/browsable
whats not working:
Use the mounted nfs-share systemwide with any other app.
What i tried (used Termux):
mount into /mnt/remotenfs => files show up in terminal, just there.
mount into /storage/emulated/0/Music/remote => files show up in terminal, just there.
mounted the share and then started an explorer (solidexplorer) from terminal - same result. No fileaccess through explorer.
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I think I suggested something like this as a way to glean some information about this problem in the other thread, but don't recall for certain what the outcome if any was:
At least since V5 and above of Android OS, there's been some sort of thread insularity that keeps another thread from seeing what some of the first one sees. (moreso than before V5). I figured that since fstab.qcom (or whatever the name of the actual startup file where "mount -a" is pointed) must contain the mounted partitions that are visible to all. If that's the case, it's either the startup mount daemon, or it is in one of the columns of each "mount" entry in fstab.*.
I think I suggested adding a mount entry without the "automount at start" parameter for your remote music. Just curious if that was tried? Also, I thought the file where these were entries were kept in M & N (6 & 7) had "*vold*" in the title.
I'm also curious about this and will look around for some better answer because it seems very non-linux / android that only the thread performing the action can see the result (although that is how local actions / variables act).
After some poking around: I think this link explains some possible reasons for this behavior, not that there isn't some way around it. Probably there is no way around it without some compromise of whatever privacy additions android OS is after. It sounds a lot like an SELinux & /proc FS change. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/38590140/file-system-changes-in-android-nougat

hachamacha said:
I think I suggested something like this as a way to glean some information about this problem in the other thread, but don't recall for certain what the outcome if any was:
At least since V5 and above of Android OS, there's been some sort of thread insularity that keeps another thread from seeing what some of the first one sees. (moreso than before V5). I figured that since fstab.qcom (or whatever the name of the actual startup file where "mount -a" is pointed) must contain the mounted partitions that are visible to all. If that's the case, it's either the startup mount daemon, or it is in one of the columns of each "mount" entry in fstab.*.
I think I suggested adding a mount entry without the "automount at start" parameter for your remote music. Just curious if that was tried? Also, I thought the file where these were entries were kept in M & N (6 & 7) had "*vold*" in the title.
I'm also curious about this and will look around for some better answer because it seems very non-linux / android that only the thread performing the action can see the result (although that is how local actions / variables act).
After some poking around: I think this link explains some possible reasons for this behavior, not that there isn't some way around it. Probably there is no way around it without some compromise of whatever privacy additions android OS is after. It sounds a lot like an SELinux & /proc FS change. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/38590140/file-system-changes-in-android-nougat
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Thanks for the response, looks like you are much more into that android thing....
I just added
"10.11.12.10:/volume1/Audio /storage/emulated/0/Music/remote nfs nolock,ro defaults"
to the fstab.qcom . Doesn't mount at startup.
I realized some inconsitency in the ssh thing, sometimes it works mounting via ssh, sometimes not....strange. (mount: applet not found)
To be sure i'm doing all that stuff without ssh.
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For everyone else reading this. It's not about music, the musicfolder is just a random folder to see if it's working.

the1weasel said:
Thanks for the response, looks like you are much more into that android thing....
I just added
"10.11.12.10:/volume1/Audio /storage/emulated/0/Music/remote nfs nolock,ro defaults"
to the fstab.qcom . Doesn't mount at startup.
I realized some inconsitency in the ssh thing, sometimes it works mounting via ssh, sometimes not....strange. (mount: applet not found)
To be sure i'm doing all that stuff without ssh.
Edit:
For everyone else reading this. It's not about music, the musicfolder is just a random folder to see if it's working.
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To add to that: It doesn't seem like any surprise that just putting an entry in the fstab.qcom doesn't work the same as the others. As I search around for a way to do this it becomes apparent that even a Synology app designed to do this (DS File) (Mounts a NFS share on Synology box and allows file transfers) isn't able to allow others to see it's mounted share.
Before I mounted a Synology folder using Synology DS File, I created a tmp folder and cd there and then did a mount > mountbefore.log. After the mount of the share while still running DS File pointing to my Synology folder, I did a mount > ./mountafter.log. I then did a diff -urN (and just a diff) ./mountbefore.log ./mountafter.log that showed no differences. That seems telling.
Also, I did the same with /proc/mounts /proc/mountinfo /proc/mountstatus before and after, and nothing showed up as different. Also I did a ps | grep DS to see whether the ps output gave me any clue as to what local mount point was used, but though I could see the DS process, I couldn't see it's mountpoints.
I'm pretty sure there's an SELINUX (or many) entrie(s) for the mounted share that prevent the usual visibility. I recall reading that "fixing" the /proc exploits was a big priority with the advent of SElinux so I'll look at that angle too. I don't think that the fact that DLNA works is of much use in this problem. It's really a solution to a different and specific problem.

hachamacha said:
To add to that: It doesn't seem like any surprise that just putting an entry in the fstab.qcom doesn't work the same as the others. As I search around for a way to do this it becomes apparent that even a Synology app designed to do this (DS File) (Mounts a NFS share on Synology box and allows file transfers) isn't able to allow others to see it's mounted share.
Before I mounted a Synology folder using Synology DS File, I created a tmp folder and cd there and then did a mount > mountbefore.log. After the mount of the share while still running DS File pointing to my Synology folder, I did a mount > ./mountafter.log. I then did a diff -urN (and just a diff) ./mountbefore.log ./mountafter.log that showed no differences. That seems telling.
Also, I did the same with /proc/mounts /proc/mountinfo /proc/mountstatus before and after, and nothing showed up as different. Also I did a ps | grep DS to see whether the ps output gave me any clue as to what local mount point was used, but though I could see the DS process, I couldn't see it's mountpoints.
I'm pretty sure there's an SELINUX (or many) entrie(s) for the mounted share that prevent the usual visibility. I recall reading that "fixing" the /proc exploits was a big priority with the advent of SElinux so I'll look at that angle too. I don't think that the fact that DLNA works is of much use in this problem. It's really a solution to a different and specific problem.
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Hmm I just found this: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2106480 and will have a closer look into it later, I'm running out of time right now and have to leave.
But what I've read so far looks similar to the problem we are facing right now. Maye thats the way to go. I'll try it, as I said, later.
At this point i don't even care if it's smb or nfs as long as i can mount my stuff into the filesystem.

One other thing I noticed but haven't messed around with yet is that I was looking at the various mount commands for different implementations (not that any will just work like 2 versions ago), and noticed that only /system/xbin/mount is a soft link to /system/xbin/busybox (standard busybox link to allow using it various look-alike-to-linux commands.
But then I realized that /system/bin/mount is also there, also a soft-link to /system/bin/toybox (another busybox clone) and am wondering if it behaves any differently. Might be worth a look (but I doubt it). /system/bin/toybox is at least a different version of busybox and not linked to it.
Just looked at your last reply and realized that unfortunately the two links of interest are at the now nonexistant domain cyanogenmod.org. Maybe the diffs are worthwhile. Gotta work, Later.

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One other thing I noticed but haven't messed around with yet is that I was looking at the various mount commands for different implementations (not that any will just work like 2 versions ago), and noticed that only /system/xbin/mount is a soft link to /system/xbin/busybox (standard busybox link to allow using it various look-alike-to-linux commands.
But then I realized that /system/bin/mount is also there, also a soft-link to /system/bin/toybox (another busybox clone) and am wondering if it behaves any differently. Might be worth a look (but I doubt it). /system/bin/toybox is at least a different version of busybox and not linked to it.
Just looked at your last reply and realized that unfortunately the two links of interest are at the now nonexistant domain cyanogenmod.org. Maybe the diffs are worthwhile. Gotta work, Later.
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I'm back home already a little late but enaugh time for more researches.
This link:
https://github.com/mkasick/android_...mmit/b358bf82c079a577f011c167da8b65faef73a06e
is working. And really worth reading it and explains the visibility problem.

mkasick said:
Android 4.2 breaks Dalvik-apps that mount file systems to be shared with other apps. This includes CifsManager, Mount Manager, essentially anything that mounts cifs shares, FUSE file sytems, etc. The symptom is that the mounted contents appear fine to app that peforms the mount operation (assuming the app itself provides the ability to browse the contents), but every other app only sees an empty directory at the mount point.
It turns out that this problem is a side-effect of the approach used to implement multi-user storage in Android 4.2. I've explained the problem in detail in the commit log for a Gerrit issue we're reviewing for CyanogenMod 10.1 that addresses the problem:
Ideally, any 4.2 ROM can provide support for CifsManager by applying a change to Dalvik, and a second change to the boot ramdisk's init.rc:
Dalvik change: Zygote: Restrict slave mountspace so Dalvik apps can mount system-wide volumes
init.rc change: init.rc: Create /storage mountpoint so Dalvik can mark as slave in zygotes
Alternatively, ROMs that can't/prefer not to use a source-build Dalvik (libdvm), I've also provided a kernel patch that implements a similar workaround within the kernel. It also requires the above init.rc modification:
Kernel commit: Restrict slave mountspace so Dalvik apps can mount system-wide volumes
init.rc change: init.rc: Create /storage mountpoint so Dalvik can mark as slave in zygotes
With either of the above two fixes, CifsManager et al. should work when using a mountpoint outside /storage (and /mnt/shell/emulated). I'd recommend using "/mnt/cifs" or something similar. Attempting to mount inside /storage retains the previous behavior where the mount can not be seen by other apps.
Note that ROMs only need one of the above two fixes, although they are compatible with each other and will function correctly if both are present. The Dalvik approach is preferred over the kernel workaround where feasible. Attached are the three patches referenced in the issues/commits.
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dalvik.diff: https://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1656555&d=1358548352
nitrc.diff: https://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1656556&d=1358548352
kernel.diff: https://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1656557&d=1358548352
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Look at the attached files, the answer is in there, but i don't know what to do with it

Thanks. I've got to do some work from home before I go back to messing around with this. I read the zygote/Dalvik page. I'm sure I've read it before but had the impression that the information was obsolete, but maybe not!

I guess there a couple of problems for me with that information.
1) It is pretty old (2013 or so): I can't even find the pertinent file in my source tree anymore.
2) dalvik has undergone a lot of revisions since this was tried. I'm not at all sure the change looks very different from the way tmpfs is /storage mounted already.
(but I could try this one. I figure in real time, if it'd let me remount it with the changes, the worst it could do is lock me up).
3) the kernel I'm using doesn't appear to have that line in it, besides, I'd have to rebuild the kernel.
I guess I'd much rather find a userspace way around this problem if possible. I seems almost unthinkable that there'd be no other way (via the mount cmd for example and careful choice of mount folder) to mount something that could be seen by any process. I'll keep trying from that angle.
Regrouping: I was ssh'd into the synology server poking around when I noticed that the running nfs daemon (as shown by ps -ef | grep nfs) was nfs4. I didn't see that Android supported that so I decided to just move the entire exercise of mount.nfs4 over to Ubuntu 16.04 box.
I made sure I had all the NFS stuff installed and pretty much did these statement:
mount -t nfs -o ro x.x.x.x/share /mnt/remote # failed with bad argument
mount -t nfs4 -o ro x.x.x.x/share /mnt/remote # failed with bad argument
mount.nfs4 x.x.x.x/share /mnt/remote #failed with bad argument.
At that point I decided that android didn't matter if I couldn't figure out how to mount NFS shares from linux.
I then tried mount -t cifs -o ro,user=me,pass=pwd //server/share /mnt/remote
It mounted up immediately. I need to look up some working examples of someone using mount.nfs / 4 from anywhere to synology. While I'm sure I've used it before, I'm also pretty sure I don't recall how exactly the setup and syntax works.