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Hi All,
I'm looking at upgrading my phone. Last night someone stole my BlackBerry 8120... I loved that phone! I was able to do all my work emails, surf facebook and browse the internet fairly easily.
I have read a lot of mixed reviews regarding the X1, however I do seem to like the look of them... A LOT.
Now, am I able to receive all my emails fairly easily and manage them the same as I would with a BlackBerry? Does it have Facebook applications and MSN messenger...
Any "beginners advice" would be great
Thanks,
Amnesia
^^windows live messenger is already preinstalled. u can get the facebook panel and windows live panel in norti's sticky thread.
Amnesia180 said:
Hi All,
I'm looking at upgrading my phone. Last night someone stole my BlackBerry 8120... I loved that phone! I was able to do all my work emails, surf facebook and browse the internet fairly easily.
I have read a lot of mixed reviews regarding the X1, however I do seem to like the look of them... A LOT.
Now, am I able to receive all my emails fairly easily and manage them the same as I would with a BlackBerry? Does it have Facebook applications and MSN messenger...
Any "beginners advice" would be great
Thanks,
Amnesia
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i'm WM beginner from symbian, just owning x1 for third only what I can say is WM need your patience to getting started, lot's of tweaks and softwares to try and to learn. the uses requirement that you asked above can easily done on xperia. anyway, I feel good with my xperia now and it's games much better than symbian one,hehe... plus I reply this message using x1 now^^ so, join us, xda has cookies ))
p.s. what I watched on youtube was the blackberry storm bootup in few seconds! looks miracle....
unfortunately Windows Mobile is much slower than BlackBerry's interface.........
but at least it's the most versatile mobile platform in the world hehe.
ive never owned a blackberry, and the x1a is my first winmo phone too. i like the x1a, only downside is the screen is a little to small for me. i mean the screen resolution is awesome but i sure wish the screen could have been bigger. i mean 3.2" at least. it may not seem like a big difference in numbers between 3 and 3.2 but it is.
if your happy with blackberry's email, i would stick with it and maybe get the storm.
if u dont want touchscreen..then BB Bold is one of the best smartphones out there...very fast interface.
my dad has it.
BlackBerry_for_Pocket_PC
http://www.sems.org/entry.asp?ENTRY_ID=276
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443125&page=2
http://rapidshare.com/files/195305020/bbconnect_wm6_professional_bb_al_4.0.0.103.cab
http://rapidshare.com/files/195304715/BlackBerry_for_Pocket_PC_Version_2_0_User_Guide.pdf
http://sems.org/content/download/bbc4/bbconnect_wm6_professional_bb.4.0.0.104.cab
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BlackBerry_for_Pocket_PC
http://www.sems.org/entry.asp?ENTRY_ID=276
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443125&page=2
http://rapidshare.com/files/195305020/bbconnect_wm6_professional_bb_al_4.0.0.103.cab
http://rapidshare.com/files/195304715/BlackBerry_for_Pocket_PC_Version_2_0_User_Guide.pdf
http://sems.org/content/download/bbc4/bbconnect_wm6_professional_bb.4.0.0.104.cab
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Thanks for that link.
So, this will convert my Winmo to BlackBerry Operating System?
I've read through the topic and I didn't see a mention of it working with o2 UK.. Are these things usually easy to install? Would I need to pay o2 for a BlackBerry tariff... or will unlimited internet tariff still be sufficient?
The problem is, I liked my 8120... but I don't want to ugrade to another 8120, that would be silly! I also like the Storm (but not available on o2). However, the Bold is slightly too big for what I'm looking for... (and has a smaller screen than X1).
However, if you're all saying you like X1's, i think I might give it a shot.
slawrumia said:
BlackBerry_for_Pocket_PC
http://www.sems.org/entry.asp?ENTRY_ID=276
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443125&page=2
http://rapidshare.com/files/195305020/bbconnect_wm6_professional_bb_al_4.0.0.103.cab
http://rapidshare.com/files/195304715/BlackBerry_for_Pocket_PC_Version_2_0_User_Guide.pdf
http://sems.org/content/download/bbc4/bbconnect_wm6_professional_bb.4.0.0.104.cab
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Which unfortunately for some unknown reason refuses to work on the X1.
There are other "push" solutions out there including the built in ActiveSync (which works with Hotmail), but if your work server has BES then you might be stuck.
artesea said:
Which unfortunately for some unknown reason refuses to work on the X1.
There are other "push" solutions out there including the built in ActiveSync (which works with Hotmail), but if your work server has BES then you might be stuck.
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No, our work server does not have BES. I just set it up as a normal email account and every 15 minutes it pushes my work emails through.
Surely if the X1 has Winmo I can just set up my email address as normal through the email client, and set it to send/receive every 10 minutes or something?
Just my two pennies worth having had Blackberrys, quite a few Symbians, the iPhone and now my fourth WinMo...
going to WinMo is about getting the flexibility to have almost anything you want, BUT also having the frustrations about bugs, some incompatibilities, flashing new firmwares all the time, etc.
So, if you're patient, willing to use the search button and share you experiences with others, in my view Windows Mobile is the best thing out there today.
Otherwise, get a blackberry or iphone. They rarely crash or go wrong, but are a bit limited.
Amnesia180 said:
No, our work server does not have BES. I just set it up as a normal email account and every 15 minutes it pushes my work emails through.
Surely if the X1 has Winmo I can just set up my email address as normal through the email client, and set it to send/receive every 10 minutes or something?
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You can do that, and if you have an Exchange server its possible to have true push with ActiveSync.
BadTasteUK; thanks for your input. I have had an o2 XDA before... and that was Winmo. I thought it worked pretty well.
To be honest, I'm not a huge techie, and probably won't be tweaking anything major on the phone. However, I do like the flexibility and option of being able to do so... Hopefully the phone won't have a memory leak my BB 8120 did... my text messages would often delete at least once day due to running out of memory on the phone.
i got a bb bold and a xperia, both are excellent devices i find the bb more stable and faster, the xperia is more configurable and there is loads of software for it ie youtube.
at the moment the bb suits my needs so im using that. it all comes down to what you wanna do with the device.
I suppose all I want to do is use the phone mainly for calls, texts, facebook and searching the internet if I need a phone number, or google maps if I'm slightly lost etc.
Other things that I will be doing from time-to-time. Checking email and occasionally replying to them.
Things that would be nice; Youtube.
Overall, I'm sure I will be more than happy with either the BlackBerry Bold OR the X1... However, the X1 is smaller and has a bigger screen... that will be better for me.
PLUS - It's something "different" to the BlackBerry I have been using over the past 12 months... will give me something to play with for endless hours.
Looks like you've made up your mind Amnesia...
... the pun wasn't intended, honest!
Amnesia180 said:
I suppose all I want to do is use the phone mainly for calls, texts, facebook and searching the internet if I need a phone number, or google maps if I'm slightly lost etc.
Other things that I will be doing from time-to-time. Checking email and occasionally replying to them.
Things that would be nice; Youtube.
Overall, I'm sure I will be more than happy with either the BlackBerry Bold OR the X1... However, the X1 is smaller and has a bigger screen... that will be better for me.
PLUS - It's something "different" to the BlackBerry I have been using over the past 12 months... will give me something to play with for endless hours.
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bb internet browser is poor xperia beats it hands down... sounds like xperia is the answer mate
I had an epiphany today, I want to share this idea, perhaps someone here has the knowledge to pull it off, unfortunately, I am not a C programmer:
Gmail already has built in RSS feeds. Every Gmail account hass RSS feeds for every label at https://mail.google.com/mail/feed/atom/LABEL/ (This also works for Apps at https://mail.google.com/a/DOMAIN.TLD/feed/atom/LABEL/ ).
The only requirement is that the feed reader support authentication.
Now lets bring pRSSreader into the equation (http://code.google.com/p/prssr/)
Supports SSL, Yes!
Supports Authntication, YES!
Source Code Available! GPL!
So to start: A competent developer begin with the pRSSreader code, change the UI a bit so that it will revolve around inputing gmail accounts and it will be able to read our mail)
The next step is to add a simple SMTP component that will send outgoing mail through the GMAIL smtp.
What do the smart people here think?
I'm not critisizing your idea by any means, but why not using the mobile JAVA app done by google?
It works flawlessly with JBED or JEODEK for WM. The functionality is also great. Of course, it's not native WM app, but it's still worth a while.
fbifbi said:
I'm not critisizing your idea by any means, but why not using the mobile JAVA app done by google?
It works flawlessly with JBED or JEODEK for WM. The functionality is also great. Of course, it's not native WM app, but it's still worth a while.
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URL for this mate?
fbifbi said:
I'm not critisizing your idea by any means, but why not using the mobile JAVA app done by google?
It works flawlessly with JBED or JEODEK for WM. The functionality is also great. Of course, it's not native WM app, but it's still worth a while.
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The JAVA app is great... except that the text font (including menu and everything) is too tiny and small on my Diamond. Otherwise it's great app...
Wiggz said:
URL for this mate?
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Go to m.gmail.com on your phone, and then download it. It should automatically recognize that you have a windows mobile phone and offer you the JAVA version to download.
fbifbi said:
Of course, it's not native WM app, but it's still worth a while.
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^^ that was the point of ethanpil's suggestion.
@ethanpil, I think it's a good idea, the only hole I see is that it's mostly for people who actually use the labels now, yes?
wait....maybe i'm not understanding u guys properly...u dont wanna use the mail program that it came with?? i have a diamond and i synced it to my outlook which has gmail..so when i'm on WIFI it vibrates when i get a gMail.....
so what is it that Java program do that this one doesn't??
Why not use Emoze? That has true push and works great with Gmail. Gmail also has a Exchange server for your calender and contacts.
sinara said:
The JAVA app is great... except that the text font (including menu and everything) is too tiny and small on my Diamond. Otherwise it's great app...
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sinara, look for VGA hacked JBED (here on XDA) - it solves problems with small fonts on our devices.
sinara said:
The JAVA app is great... except that the text font (including menu and everything) is too tiny and small on my Diamond. Otherwise it's great app...
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You can fix the font sizes with simple regedits.
Why do ppl want this?? Outlook can link to IMAP from google natively. Which All wm6 phones have...so why does anyone care about an external app that windows can do by default. I'm not discounting it or anything I'm just really confused on this issue
xcom923 said:
Why do ppl want this?? Outlook can link to IMAP from google natively. Which All wm6 phones have...so why does anyone care about an external app that windows can do by default. I'm not discounting it or anything I'm just really confused on this issue
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I am with you here, gmail with imap is the way to go. If your device automagically finds gmail settings, just misspell gmail when entering your email addy, then fix it after you have unchecked to automatically find settings.
I believe the reason for doing this is to get away from the built-in (WM) applications which for the most part suck. Not to mention that the emails are stored in a database and not in individual files (as in Qmail). Even if it was stored in a database, the database should be easily manipulated to allow for quick backup and recovery operations (SQLite?). Not to mention that such an application can implement great features like imap-idle and connecting over 1x/gprs to save battery life (and privates).
Just my two cents.
The reason is as many have guessed above:
1) The Java version sucks for WM users: its not native, and a few times alerady if I exited hastily by hitting the X instead of through the menus then my DB was corrupted and I had to reinstall the app
2) Something native will be able to take advantage of all of the features of WM and run in the background better.
3) The native apps also suck.
4) Push IMAP and activesync take horrendous battery power
Anyway, I have been using NewsBreak to read my gmail by RSS and it works great, updates once per hour, and runs real fast in background and I get notification of new emails and I only downlod the labels I need... Its just a pain to then login to gmail app to reply...
I have a small application (in VB.NET) that I am working on but in this moment it is "work in progress". I am able to connect to GMail over SSL in POP3, SMTP and IMAP.
In this moment I am trying out POP3 but I have some problems when downloading larger attachments from GMail (out-of-memory exceptions) which I have to sort out.
I guess I could make a native application for GMail - however the first beta version would not support attachments (at least larger attachmnets - let's say more than 200KB - until I have sorted out the problem mentioned above).
In order to produce a first version, I still would need some days but if there's interest, I could give it a shot.
Rgds,
Tilleke
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Add spellchecking to your applications.
See: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=495728
this would def worth a shot since it's a bunch of shareware ideas taken into an all in one freeware app to add to our collection of greatly developed freeware. i'd rather use a custom made freeware app that will always add features rather than waste memory with certain shareware programs just to have all the bells and whistles scattered across the cluttered memory
boog321 said:
I am with you here, gmail with imap is the way to go. If your device automagically finds gmail settings, just misspell gmail when entering your email addy, then fix it after you have unchecked to automatically find settings.
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I've been doing that since my 8525.. I can't believe that anyone would rather 'fight' with a 3rd party app.. I can see the argument for push, but if you really need up to date inbox, just get a scheduler to set your 'active' hours so you get faster updates when you need it. Typically I get emails at the same time though.
Hi,
just wondering if anybody has moved from a Blackberry in a BES environment to
the Android platform with google apps?
How are you finding it??
Thanks
Miek
Hi,
I was formerly using a Blackberry with BES, and switched to the G1 back in October, with my email hosted by Google Apps for Domains.
In general, I'm pretty happy with the G1 as a Blackberry replacement, with a few caveats:
1. The actual emailing experience (i.e. sending and reading email) was definitely slicker with the Blackberry. That being said, I now think a little bit more about the emails I want to respond to on the G1 because it is that little bit less ergonomic, so that is not necessarily a bad thing!
2. I sometimes find it hard to find the particular message in a thread I want in the GMail app on the G1.
3. I miss the ability to add more than one email address - the GMail app only supports a single address and whilst I could use the "standard" email app, I really shouldn't have to.
Other than that, it's been fine and I've no intention of moving back to a BB because the G1 hits a lot more boxes - I did consider a BB Storm, but the lack of WiFi put me off.
Certainly, now that I keep my calendar and contacts on Google, I really see it is a good alternative platform *if* you are prepared to make the switch to Google Apps for Domains.
Regards,
Dave
bb storm would definitely be FAR FAR LESS ergonomic than Dream for emailing due to the crap onscreen keyboard, crap touchscreen (it has a stupid clicker), and lack of physical keyboard. Dream also beats out all other bb's when it comes to long emails due to the larger keyboard and generally better keyboard layout and function. For quick emails, the bb/palmtreo format is more convenient since there's no need to flip the keyboard out, however, droidsans virtual keyboard or the soon-to-be android 1.5 with integrated virtual keyboard takes/will-take up *most* of what the Dream lacks regarding short emails, i.e. virtual keyboard for quick short emails, big physical keyboard for long emails.
foxmeister said:
Hi,
I was formerly using a Blackberry with BES, and switched to the G1 back in October, with my email hosted by Google Apps for Domains.
In general, I'm pretty happy with the G1 as a Blackberry replacement, with a few caveats:
1. The actual emailing experience (i.e. sending and reading email) was definitely slicker with the Blackberry. That being said, I now think a little bit more about the emails I want to respond to on the G1 because it is that little bit less ergonomic, so that is not necessarily a bad thing!
2. I sometimes find it hard to find the particular message in a thread I want in the GMail app on the G1.
3. I miss the ability to add more than one email address - the GMail app only supports a single address and whilst I could use the "standard" email app, I really shouldn't have to.
Other than that, it's been fine and I've no intention of moving back to a BB because the G1 hits a lot more boxes - I did consider a BB Storm, but the lack of WiFi put me off.
Certainly, now that I keep my calendar and contacts on Google, I really see it is a good alternative platform *if* you are prepared to make the switch to Google Apps for Domains.
Regards,
Dave
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Thanks for your reply Dave,
I already moved my email to google apps for domains a few weeks ago (one less thing to worry about!) so I'm only really using BES for calendar sync now, although I do find notes and tasks useful but I don't think there is any google alternative at the moment?
How did you get along without using the Blackberry "Password Keeper" ? I pretty much have all my passwords, pins etc etc in that app, I think I will miss that!?
Having played with the google calendar application I find it very nice, I like the ability to embed a map in to a appointment by just putting the postcode in the "Where" field, I'm guessing that does not carry over to the G1 calendar?
Cheers
Mike
Dirky said:
Thanks for your reply Dave,
I already moved my email to google apps for domains a few weeks ago (one less thing to worry about!) so I'm only really using BES for calendar sync now, although I do find notes and tasks useful but I don't think there is any google alternative at the moment?
How did you get along without using the Blackberry "Password Keeper" ? I pretty much have all my passwords, pins etc etc in that app, I think I will miss that!?
Having played with the google calendar application I find it very nice, I like the ability to embed a map in to a appointment by just putting the postcode in the "Where" field, I'm guessing that does not carry over to the G1 calendar?
Cheers
Mike
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Hi Mike,
Personally, I never used the BB Password Keeper, but I notice there are quite a few similar apps available for G1 for free on the Market.
I've just tested to see if the maps pull through to the G1 calendar, and your guess is correct - they don't!
Regards,
Dave
Dirky said:
Thanks for your reply Dave,
I already moved my email to google apps for domains a few weeks ago (one less thing to worry about!) so I'm only really using BES for calendar sync now, although I do find notes and tasks useful but I don't think there is any google alternative at the moment?
How did you get along without using the Blackberry "Password Keeper" ? I pretty much have all my passwords, pins etc etc in that app, I think I will miss that!?
Having played with the google calendar application I find it very nice, I like the ability to embed a map in to a appointment by just putting the postcode in the "Where" field, I'm guessing that does not carry over to the G1 calendar?
Cheers
Mike
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I use OI Safe it works well and is free on the Market
Am seriously looking at buying a HD2.Does it do Push for email?Instant Messaging?Football scores would be nice (like iFooty on the iPhone)
saldawop said:
Am seriously looking at buying a HD2.Does it do Push for email?Instant Messaging?Football scores would be nice (like iFooty on the iPhone)
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It depends on the email service. I do know that you can set up an exchange server to do push, and it's native for windows live, so that's hotmail covered. I think you can do it with gmail too - best wait for someone to confirm that though.
Yes, hooking up gmail via MS Exchange give you push mail/calender/contacts
Blimey, you guys are quick .Thanks for the speedy response?
What about for things like Instant Messaging?On my iPhone I have IM+ .When somebody sends me a message on Facebook Chat /Windows Messenger/Twitter it is pushed to my phone?Anything similar on the HD2?
Anything like iFooty?
Whilst not a dealbreaker by any means, it would be nice to have.
saldawop said:
What about for things like Instant Messaging?On my iPhone I have IM+ .When somebody sends me a message on Facebook Chat /Windows Messenger/Twitter it is pushed to my phone?Anything similar on the HD2?
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I've not seen an IM app that handles facebook chat on WM, but that obviously doesn't mean there isn't one. There's a native facebook app, but I don't think it will notify you of messages, and there's a twitter tab on the UI which is mostly good. There's also native windows live that has messenger with it, which is almost as good as messenger on the PC.
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Anything like iFooty?
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I don't know who that is. Most of the popular iPhone apps have a similar thing available on WM. XDA is the best place to look, but google is just as good a friend when it comes to apps.
Palringo has facebook chat included and is free. You don't use push notifications because you just leave the application running in the background.
Gajet said:
You don't use push notifications because you just leave the application running in the background.
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Yeah, sorry. I should have pointed that out myself. I forget that with the iPhone you could usually only have 1 app running at any time.
If you try Palringo - please could you let me know if it kills your battery? I think that's what my battery issues were down to.
IM+ by shape services supports facebook chat. Also has a nice feature where you can go off line, and receive messages via email.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/16/windows-phone-7-series-wont-have-copy-and-paste/
Seriously, I was liking WMP7 until I read this. Gotta love that Android did this out of the box.
Glad my N1 will be able to do things my friends phone won't be able to when they get WMP7 lol
So you can copy and paste from your emails on your Nexus ?
I, for sure, can't....
sixstring said:
So you can copy and paste from your emails on your Nexus ?
I, for sure, can't....
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At least we can do it at all, maybe not in emails, but other parts of the OS (without third party applications). I've never had to copy and paste from an email before, but I imagine for those who need to - you would be quite irritated people.
They will get an app for it eventually, right? Lol..
how about the stock calendar app?
No copy and paste in that is a real pain, I have business appointments with conference call numbers and they just made the passcode numbers much longer.
It wouldn't be so bad if the calendar recognised numbers with commas and hashes in them so you could tag the passcode onto the phone number eg.
01234567890,6789012345#
appears as to separate hyperlinks to the phone app instead of one.
not trying to hijack this thread but if anyone knows a way round this....
withthe sense Rom you can c&p in the native email app
I think this is a major flaw in the email program, but you CAN log into the mobile version of gmail on your browser and copy/paste. The mobile version is better anyway since it lets you see more than just your inbox.
I do think it is pretty pathetic that the mobile browser version is better than the APP, but this is indeed a valid workaround for the issue.
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I think this is a major flaw in the email program, but you CAN log into the mobile version of gmail on your browser and copy/paste. The mobile version is better anyway since it lets you see more than just your inbox.
I do think it is pretty pathetic that the mobile browser version is better than the APP, but this is indeed a valid workaround for the issue.
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The app lets you see other labels as well by selecting Menu -> View Labels and then selecting your desired label to view.
The OP should mention "Windows phone 7" and not WMP7 (windows media player 7)
Still gonna get a wp7 phone if it comes to tmoblie (and is made by htc) since i will qualify for a upgrade in oct. Just gonna use along with my nexus one.