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In real phone scenario what we could benefit more? Will a quad-core be faster the 2gb of ram? Or will a 2gb will perform better against quad-core?
Pocketnow did a video between the gs2 and gs3 and both were opening apps really quick, they were really close on browsing, gaming. Do you think the 2gb will make a difference on the phone compare to the international? What are your thoughts?
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2GB will help with multitasking while the faster processor will help with gaming and to a degree, faster apps.
If it were an iPhone, then the quad core would be much better because apps will actually make use of the amazing gpu. In android, I doubt there will be an app released in the next year or two that realistically benefits from the quad core's gpu vs the dual core's.
Both the dual and quad core will have all of the software optimizations Samsung has done for web browsing. The 2gb memory is probably overkill at this point, but in theory it means that apps will never close in the background since there will be no need to free up new memory.
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lepapirriky said:
In real phone scenario what we could benefit more? Will a quad-core be faster the 2gb of ram? Or will a 2gb will perform better against quad-core?
Pocketnow did a video between the gs2 and gs3 and both were opening apps really quick, they were really close on browsing, gaming. Do you think the 2gb will make a difference on the phone compare to the international? What are your thoughts?
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Here's my thoughts:
1. Still on the Epic 4G I've never had any real lag.
2. Lack of ram can stall a device, but an excess of ram will not make it faster.
3. Mobile quad-cores are new and untested.
4. Android is not designed for quad-core processors.
5. The dual-core US version should easily match the quad-core international.
6. More ram means more easily multitasking/app-switching.
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If it were an iPhone, then the quad core would be much better because apps will actually make use of the amazing gpu.
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Amazing gpu? The Galaxy S I opposed the iPhone 4. The Epic 4G has a better gpu than the iPhone 4, the PowerVR SGX 540 vs the iPhone's PowerVR SGX 535. Just thought I'd mention it since you're in an Epic 4G forum.
RandomKing said:
Here's my thoughts:
1. Still on the Epic 4G I've never had any real lag.
2. Lack of ram can stall a device, but an excess of ram will not make it faster.
3. Mobile quad-cores are new and untested.
4. Android is not designed for quad-core processors.
5. The dual-core US version should easily match the quad-core international.
6. More ram means more easily multitasking/app-switching.
Check out this article.
Amazing gpu? The Galaxy S I opposed the iPhone 4. The Epic 4G has a better gpu than the iPhone 4, the PowerVR SGX 540 vs the iPhone's PowerVR SGX 535. Just thought I'd mention it since you're in an Epic 4G forum.
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1. Well the whole android cant handle 4 cores i think is false because its derived from Linux and i know those who use 4,6,8 core processor's and use Linux. so if android isn't im sure its all in code is all.
2. More Ram does mean things will run much faster. For Example: playing gta 4 with 4GB of DDR3 Ram @ 1333MHz plays decent but my pc setup that plays gta 4 with 8Gb of DDR2 Ram @ 1333MHz plays faster and loads faster but GPU does factor those speeds too so, in a sense you cant bottleneck them.
Extra RAM. It's going to be a while before the apps/software catches up with having two more cores. Meanwhile even old stuff can benefit from extra memory. Also see it as more future proof as you won't get the lame ass excuses from Samsung about it not having enough RAM to run whatever the latest release of Android is like we got with ICS and the Epic 4G.
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1. Well the whole android cant handle 4 cores i think is false because its derived from Linux and i know those who use 4,6,8 core processor's and use Linux. so if android isn't im sure its all in code is all.
2. More Ram does mean things will run much faster. For Example: playing gta 4 with 4GB of DDR3 Ram @ 1333MHz plays decent but my pc setup that plays gta 4 with 8Gb of DDR2 Ram @ 1333MHz plays faster and loads faster but GPU does factor those speeds too so, in a sense you cant bottleneck them.
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You've misunderstood. Android can use 4 cores, of course. What it can't do is use them effectively in a way that creates any sort of advantage. But just as a mention, being derived from Linux source does not make it a full-fledged Linux OS by far.
And on your second point, again, you're comparing to a full PC operating system. Up until now, apps have been designed for phones with far less than 1GB of ram. It really depends on how you use your phone as to how much ram is needed. If you have a video editor running in the background, while playing pandora, and emulating Mario 64 you'll need more than simply browsing the web. But the processor, bus speeds, operating system, etc. all factor into how effectively more ram can be used. For Example: A 32 bit computer can't even use more than 4GB of ram. More ram does not simply mean 'much' more more speed, there are many other limiting factors. You can throw all the ram you want at a netbook, it will never run GTA4.
Off-Topic Edit: I vote 2GB ram over Quad-Core.
I guess then the only thing that will "improve", not that the int'l lacks of, is on the multitasking??
The few videos I saw, they were really fast but that's of course without all the apps that a normal user install. Like I have 38 apps install on my phone and most of the time I open between 9 to 13 apps everyday. Most of the time I have to close it...I guess more for the habit of doing it and of courses need it when playing games.
I read the answer and I kinda feel its true, maybe android is not yet ready for such hardware just yet, does it feels the hardware manufacture is going too fast compare to the software?
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lepapirriky said:
I guess then the only thing that will "improve", not that the int'l lacks of, is on the multitasking??
The few videos I saw, they were really fast but that's of course without all the apps that a normal user install. Like I have 38 apps install on my phone and most of the time I open between 9 to 13 apps everyday. Most of the time I have to close it...I guess more for the habit of doing it and of courses need it when playing games.
I read the answer and I kinda feel its true, maybe android is not yet ready for such hardware just yet, does it feels the hardware manufacture is going too fast compare to the software?
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There will be improvement between the dual-core, faster processor, and more ram, rest assured!
Although I still recommend closing apps unnecessarily opened to save battery.
2 A15s > 4 A9s.
Also, the A15 use less power. I'd take the 2 GBs of RAM with the newest CPU anyday.
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2 A15s > 4 A9s. Also, the A15 use less power. I'd take the 2 GBs of RAM with the newest CPU anyday.
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RandomKing said:
Here's my thoughts:
1. Still on the Epic 4G I've never had any real lag.
2. Lack of ram can stall a device, but an excess of ram will not make it faster.
3. Mobile quad-cores are new and untested.
4. Android is not designed for quad-core processors.
5. The dual-core US version should easily match the quad-core international.
6. More ram means more easily multitasking/app-switching.
Check out this article.
Amazing gpu? The Galaxy S I opposed the iPhone 4. The Epic 4G has a better gpu than the iPhone 4, the PowerVR SGX 540 vs the iPhone's PowerVR SGX 535. Just thought I'd mention it since you're in an Epic 4G forum.
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You don't have any lag on our epic 4g's? What ROM are you running? I've tried every rom out there and am friends with several other rooted epic owners, none of our phones are remotely comparable to the modern phones like s2 and above.
I'd love to see a video of you opening and running netflix, facebook, web browsing on chrome and stock, or whatever if you have time because this blows my mind. i'm doing something horribly wrong.
Too bad we don't have a samsung developed a15
I don't know why but I don't like qualcomm chips
Also whenever I hear snapdragon I automatically think worse than hummingbird
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I would take the dual core Krait hands down because it is designed from cortex a15. More instruction per clock is better than stacking cores which a phone doesn't even use. I think the 2 gb of ram has more performance advantage.
They also increased the memory bandwidth with new SOC by adding a new dual channel memory controller which the exynos had all along... They fixed alot of the shortcoming of snapdragon processor with the this gen product
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[...]Also whenever I hear snapdragon I automatically think worse than hummingbird[...]
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That's because Hummingbirds rape Snapdragons. See the following:
Either way if you want LTE at the moment you are stuck with dual core. So the 2GB of RAM is a nice enhancement. The EVO 1x ended up as two models the 1X which is quad core with no LTE and the 1XL which is dual core with LTE.
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Amazing gpu? The Galaxy S I opposed the iPhone 4. The Epic 4G has a better gpu than the iPhone 4, the PowerVR SGX 540 vs the iPhone's PowerVR SGX 535. Just thought I'd mention it since you're in an Epic 4G forum.
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Where the hell did the epic4g or the iPhone 4 come into the question? My point was that iPhones actually make use of their gpu's better than android phones do, so the difference between the quad core and the dual core gs3 should be minimal in that regard, at least for a while.
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I would take the dual core Krait hands down because it is designed from cortex a15.
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This is wrong.
The Krait is very much designed from the Cortex A9. While it shares similarities with the A15, it is not quite as powerful.
Krait is about 60% of the way between the A9 and A15.
jnadke said:
This is wrong.
The Krait is very much designed from the Cortex A9. While it shares similarities with the A15, it is not quite as powerful.
Krait is about 60% of the way between the A9 and A15.
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No, where'd you even get that from? Krait is slightly below an A15, Qualcomm derived their design from it. Yes, its not a true A15 core. But its the best right now in production.
Qualcomm has a license to mess around with ARMs designs and make their own CPUs, not just copy and slap an "A4" on them like Apple does.
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No, where'd you even get that from? Krait is slightly below an A15, Qualcomm derived their design from it. Yes, its not a true A15 core. But its the best right now in production.
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Interesting how someone "Likes" wrong information.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4940/qualcomm-new-snapdragon-s4-msm8960-krait-architecture
Designing a processor takes an extremely long amount of time. A15 was just barely released a few months ago. No way Krait was designed from it.
Now, Krait borrows some features from A15, but it's missing some important features as well. Krait does feature an extended instruction pipeline over the A9 (11 vs 9 cycles), but it's nowhere near as long as the A15 (15 cycles). Strictly speaking, lengthening a pipeline is less work than shortening it, hence Krait was not designed from the A15.
It's more likely Krait is an evolution of the Scorpion than anything.
As far as Apple, they have no place in this conversation, but if you must.... while they do have a "processor-only" license with ARM, they do farm out to a company to change some transistor signaling to make it more power efficient (they later bought them).
2 years ago, Apple bought Freescale, the only remaining PowerPC processor design company. (aside: The defense industry was largely concerned, as they rely on PowerPC for their power-efficient but high-speed applications). Anyhow, I wouldn't be surprised if they have an architecture license now so they can design their own ARM processors, Qualcomm-style. The main advantage would be integrating LTE radios like Qualcomm does.
Coincidentally it takes about 2 years to fully design a processor.
Hi friendns,
better GPU ? adreno 320 or power sgx 543 MP3 of iPhone 5?
The clock for core and total clock?
the iPhone 5 no mini lags very smonth ,nexus 4 little lag why?
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Optimization
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IPhone also has lower resolution so it pushes fewer pixels and the os is different and very simple like bb10 or wp8.
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Gokh said:
Optimization
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^This. The N4 has the superior GPU but apps are very well optimised to take full advantage of iOS.
Ace42 said:
IPhone also has lower resolution so it pushes fewer pixels and the os is different and very simple like bb10 or wp8.
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Benchmarks (which include off-screen tests so resolution doesn't matter) have shown that the N4 has the superior GPU. As stated above it's more to do with the app/game optimisation than the devices themselves. I don't think he means on the homescreen because my N4 at the very least has never stuttered here, but on occasion it does in games.
EDIT: See posts below, apparently I was wrong
The GPU iPhone 5 running @ 266 mhz for core have 3 core totally mhz ?
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The GPU iPhone 5 running @ 266 mhz for core have 3 core totally mhz ?
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Huh?
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I find it's normally crappy qualcomm governors that make games lag/jitter on android.
here are some very simple to apply settings...
ondemand, down_differential 30, up_threshhold 70 .. smooths everything out, app scrolling, games.. great on battery too.
also try to use a kernel without 'thalamos or whatever hotplugging mpdecision replacement' or you get that jitter effect at the end of scrolling screens when it slows to a stop.
Adreno 320 is the faster GPU but apple had iOS optimized for its CPU and GPU hence why its more smooth on games than Android since not all apps are optimized for it each CPU and GPU. Except the Nvidia's tegra and some games that have it optimized for Tegra.
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Adreno 320 is the faster GPU but apple had iOS optimized for its CPU and GPU hence why its more smooth on games than Android since not all apps are optimized for it each CPU and GPU. Except the Nvidia's tegra and some games that have it optimized for Tegra.
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Don't be silly Imaginations makes the best GPUs, the SGX normally trump the competition. It's important to note the SGX 6 aka Rogue is suppose to come out some time and it will be the proper competition for Tegra 4 & Adreno 330.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6425/google-nexus-4-and-nexus-10-review/2
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6426/ipad-4-gpu-performance-analyzed-powervr-sgx-554mp4-under-the-hood
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Don't be silly Imaginations makes the best GPUs, the SGX normally trump the competition. It's important to note the SGX 6 aka Rogue is suppose to come out some time and it will be the proper competition for Tegra 4 & Adreno 330.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6425/google-nexus-4-and-nexus-10-review/2
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6426/ipad-4-gpu-performance-analyzed-powervr-sgx-554mp4-under-the-hood
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Evidently I was wrong in my earlier post. However, I'm certain I remember seeing some benchmarks which favoured the N4 on YouTube, perhaps they were done on a custom ROM/Kernel or something.
Try enabling "force GPU rendering" in developer options.
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probabily in 5s seem gpu s4 power sgx 554 mp4 the best at moment
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Should buying s4 or waiting nexus 5 ?
Sorry for bad English!!
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Wait for the Galaxy S5. It will surely be faster than both.
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U must be joking! Now i use motorola razr. I will change my phone in this year. Should i buy s4 or wait nexus 5? There is a rumour nexus 5 cpu is snapdragon 800. Is snapdragon 800 cpu faster than exynos octa 5?
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monpeso said:
U must be joking! Now i use motorola razr. I will change my phone in this year. Should i buy s4 or wait nexus 5? There is a rumour nexus 5 cpu is snapdragon 800. Is snapdragon 800 cpu faster than exynos octa 5?
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Sure but they say that the Kyocera ultra is coming out soon with a new snapdragon 800 plus with an advance CPU and it makes great decaf coffee too. Should probably wait for that one.
if xda dev enable all 8 cores running performance should be same as 2.3ghz s800
even if 4 a15 clock at 2ghz should be same as 2.3ghz s800
but adreno 330 better than the adreno 320 and 533mp3 for sure
jianlinooi said:
if xda dev enable all 8 cores running performance should be same as 2.3ghz s800
even if 4 a15 clock at 2ghz should be same as 2.3ghz s800
but adreno 330 better than the adreno 320 and 533mp3 for sure
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This is only my guess, but IF that was even possible to run all 8 cores at the same time it most likely will not run at full speed because of the amount of heat that would be generated by running all 8 cores at once.
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Should buying s4 or waiting nexus 5 ?
Sorry for bad English!!
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Adreno 330 will smoke the 544mp3
Cpu speed could be about the same
snapdragon will blow exynos cos exynos already par with s600 but s800 will be monster
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snapdragon will blow exynos cos exynos already par with s600 but s800 will be monster
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Lol please stop talking. The exynos octa smothers the s600 in benchmarks while at a lower clock.
Anywho, there were some leaked benchmarks a little while back I saw
(Don't remember where) for the s800 and it hit slightly higher than the Tegra 4 on antutu. But it also was clocked at 2.3ghz where as the t4 was 2 ghz.so to answer your question no, the s800 really isn't anything special compared to a15 chips, and exynos outperforms tegra. But the krait chips probably have slightly better efficiency. So maybe it might be worth looking into, the gpu (330) will most likely outperform the power vr marginally, not that it even matters at this point. From the bit I researched the s800 doesn't deviate too greatly from three s600 aside from higher peak frequencies and large band width
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Should buying s4 or waiting nexus 5 ?
Sorry for bad English!!
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We can't compare something which isn't even out yet, so I wonder if there is any use of this thread
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Lol please stop talking. The exynos octa smothers the s600 in benchmarks while at a lower clock.
Anywho, there were some leaked benchmarks a little while back I saw
(Don't remember where) for the s800 and it hit slightly higher than the Tegra 4 on antutu. But it also was clocked at 2.3ghz where as the t4 was 2 ghz.so to answer your question no, the s800 really isn't anything special compared to a15 chips, and exynos outperforms tegra. But the krait chips probably have slightly better efficiency. So maybe it might be worth looking into, the gpu (330) will most likely outperform the power vr marginally, not that it even matters at this point. From the bit I researched the s800 doesn't deviate too greatly from three s600 aside from higher peak frequencies and large band width
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You might want to check other threads yourself before stating "facts" like that.
With the final firmware, things seem different, both version are pretty close to each other, sometimes the S600 version wins, sometimes the Octa does.
But most of the time, it seems the Octa has a faster CPU, but the overclocked Adreno 320 in the S600 version of the S4 beats the PowerVR 544MP3 of the Octa version.
Here's a comparison with the latest and most strenuous benchmark from GLBenchmark :
http://gfxbench.com/result.jsp?benc...true&arch-MIPS=true&arch-x86=true&base=device
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I would wait for Nexus 5, i know it's painful, but trust me, it's gonna be whort it.
Mithrandir007 said:
You might want to check other threads yourself before stating "facts" like that.
With the final firmware, things seem different, both version are pretty close to each other, sometimes the S600 version wins, sometimes the Octa does.
But most of the time, it seems the Octa has a faster CPU, but the overclocked Adreno 320 in the S600 version of the S4 beats the PowerVR 544MP3 of the Octa version.
Here's a comparison with the latest and most strenuous benchmark from GLBenchmark :
http://gfxbench.com/result.jsp?benc...true&arch-MIPS=true&arch-x86=true&base=device
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Glbenchmarks are not a good way for comparing gaming performance.
I think, gaming would be quite same on both devices.
i9100g user said:
Glbenchmarks are not a good way for comparing gaming performance.
I think, gaming would be quite same on both devices.
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That's ultimately what I meant, but you're right.. benchmarks are not the best way to compare gaming performance, but right now, it's pretty much all we have to compare
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You might want to check other threads yourself before stating "facts" like that.
With the final firmware, things seem different, both version are pretty close to each other, sometimes the S600 version wins, sometimes the Octa does.
But most of the time, it seems the Octa has a faster CPU, but the overclocked Adreno 320 in the S600 version of the S4 beats the PowerVR 544MP3 of the Octa version.
Here's a comparison with the latest and most strenuous benchmark from GLBenchmark :
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Lol you tell me to check other threads then repeat exactly what I just said? Anyways, I'm not basing my info of a single stream on benchmarks conducted by someone after a few firmware updates, that doesn't show anything and certainly doesn't do much towards leveling the playing ground between the two soc's. I've done pretty extensive research into the architectures of mobile chipsets, both Qualcomm and arm designs; mostly reading up on how each generation changes from one to the next and some blue prints. S600, or even s800, based chips will not perform as well as any a15 chip. More efficient? Definitely, but that's about it. In fact the s800 architecture really doesn't deviate that greatly from the dated krait s4.
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Damn the Gs4 has 8 cores what Gigs is the processor 1.8?
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Damn the Gs4 has 8 cores what Gigs is the processor 1.8?
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The international variant has 8, with only 4 being able to be active at a time. 4 a15 cores clocked at 1.6ghz, and 4 a7 which I believe are clocked at 1.2 (I could be very wrong). Most of the world is receiving the i9505 variant which uses Qualcomm's s600 quad core though
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Lol you tell me to check other threads then repeat exactly what I just said? Anyways, I'm not basing my info of a single stream on benchmarks conducted by someone after a few firmware updates, that doesn't show anything and certainly doesn't do much towards leveling the playing ground between the two soc's. I've done pretty extensive research into the architectures of mobile chipsets, both Qualcomm and arm designs; mostly reading up on how each generation changes from one to the next and some blue prints. S600, or even s800, based chips will not perform as well as any a15 chip. More efficient? Definitely, but that's about it. In fact the s800 architecture really doesn't deviate that greatly from the dated krait s4.
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Hmm, you were the one talking about benchmarks (and how the Octa smothers the SD600 in them), I only gave you a link to one (that should be among the best benchmarks for GPU) that contradicts what you said.
If you want links to other benchmarks showing the same type of results between the 2 SOC, it's not hard to find either, it's not like this is the only benchmark giving these results.
Also, theoretical performance (based on blue prints, and the architecture of the SOCs) is one thing, but it does not always translate to practical performance.
To tell you the truth, I was pretty sure I'd import the i9500, but I'm changing my mind more and more based on what I'm reading.
I'm still not sure right now though
But in real life use and gaming, it shouldn't really make a noticeable difference in performance whether you have one or the other.
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Hmm, you were the one talking about benchmarks (and how the Octa smothers the SD600 in them), I only gave you a link to one (that should be among the best benchmarks for GPU) that contradicts what you said.
If you want links to other benchmarks showing the same type of results between the 2 SOC, it's not hard to find either, it's not like this is the only benchmark giving these results.
Also, theoretical performance (based on blue prints, and the architecture of the SOCs) is one thing, but it does not always translate to practical performance.
To tell you the truth, I was pretty sure I'd import the i9500, but I'm changing my mind more and more based on what I'm reading.
I'm still not sure right now though
But in real life use and gaming, it shouldn't really make a noticeable difference in performance whether you have one or the other.
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Fair enough. I suppose I did contradict myself, didn't I
By the way I'm getting the i9505 as well.
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Fair enough. I suppose I did contradict myself, didn't I
By the way I'm getting the i9505 as well.
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Yeah, but truth is that it's still hard to tell which version is better, and it probably won't even make much difference in usage
Battery usage is still unknown too, even though on paper, the Exynos sounds good, it really depends on what you do, and how well the dual processor architecture manages that.
Right, I cannot make my mind up so I thought I would come on here, il make it short.
Which has better performance - Snapdragon 800 OR Exynos 5420
I don't give a flying f*** about 4G or 4K. Which one has better performance i.e which is faster?
hayat55 said:
Right, I cannot make my mind up so I thought I would come on here, il make it short.
Which has better performance - Snapdragon 800 OR Exynos 5420
I don't give a flying f*** about 4G or 4K. Which one has better performance i.e which is faster?
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I would say the Snapdragon 800 because more devs would get it= more roms, better clock speed, better battery life because of chipset enhancements, faster charging because of chipset enhancements. If none of those matter to you get the Exynos version.
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hayat55 said:
Right, I cannot make my mind up so I thought I would come on here, il make it short.
Which has better performance - Snapdragon 800 OR Exynos 5420
I don't give a flying f*** about 4G or 4K. Which one has better performance i.e which is faster?
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Define performance.
Then we talk. My definition of performance is much different from that of my neighbour.
Dont you think you are showing too much attitude? How hard is it to say please? And snapdragon and exynos benchmarks are about the same
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Dont you think you are showing too much attitude? How hard is it to say please? And snapdragon and exynos benchmarks are about the same
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To be technical, it seems that Exynos benchmarks are slightly higher. However, I believe that is without the HMP update. With that, scores will skyrocket.
I can't make my mind up whether to get snapdragon 800 version or exynos 5420. By performance i mean which can do more multitasking and which can run apps faster etc
From what I've seen the scores are indeed about the same on the benchmark front. They will both be good! I'm guessing the s800 will get more dev support and probably cm. It will all be your choice, do you want lte or not.
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From what I've seen the scores are indeed about the same on the benchmark front. They will both be good! I'm guessing the s800 will get more dev support and probably cm. It will all be your choice, do you want lte or not.
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One thing that pushes me towards the exynos is that it has 1866 ram speed whereas snapdragon only has 800
Which do you think will be better in the long run?
^^^ forgot to mention that because exynos has higher ram speed then that means quicker performance.
So, which one should I get? Will there really be any difference between the performance of exynos 5420 and snapdragon 800?
You really do seem to have an attitude in your posts. Anyways, the phone isn't out yet so all anybody has is benchmarks to go by. Not a lot of real world use reviews out there to compare the two.
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I guess the ram speed can be neglected in real life usage. The s4 with the s600 feels the same as the octa version to me. And that is while the octa s4 obliterated the s600 in Antutu and some other Benchmarks. Like I've said before, if you want lte and better rom support get the s800 one. If you're really spec whoring get a 8 core exynos.
Anyways, from what I've seen so far the s800 seems to be faster in Antutu but not that much so I guess they will be at the same level of performance.
I would get any device I could get which for me is the s800 since I'm from the Netherlands.
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S800
LTE
Better support
Benchmark mean absolutely nothing and are a terrible way if measuring a phone. I've seen plenty if phones have high numbers but real world experience sucked.
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Easy. Snapdragon since there will be much more support for it from developers.
Also, don't forget, the 8-core is a lie
You have your normal 4-cores with an additional 4 'smaller' cores to handle always running less intense things. I really don't see the advantage to this, you don't get more out of benchmarks because those 4 'smaller' cores won't be used, except by some obscure background task that wouldn't slow down the benchmark anyways. It also won't help with the battery life, no matter how you spin it a clock cycle is a clock cycle.
The only time you will see gains from small memory speed increases are in things like calculating pie, so again, useless for day-to-day stuff. As other have stated, support. Qualcomm based will get AOSP based roms without any problems.
If you are looking to flaunt your meaningless bigger numbers around, by all means, get the 8-core.
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Also, don't forget, the 8-core is a lie
You have your normal 4-cores with an additional 4 'smaller' cores to handle always running less intense things. I really don't see the advantage to this, you don't get more out of benchmarks because those 4 'smaller' cores won't be used, except by some obscure background task that wouldn't slow down the benchmark anyways. It also won't help with the battery life, no matter how you spin it a clock cycle is a clock cycle.
The only time you will see gains from small memory speed increases are in things like calculating pie, so again, useless for day-to-day stuff. As other have stated, support. Qualcomm based will get AOSP based roms without any problems.
If you are looking to flaunt your meaningless bigger numbers around, by all means, get the 8-core.
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Not true anymore. They are releasing an update to run all 8 cores at the same time to make it a true octacore
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kiter86 said:
Not true anymore. They are releasing an update to run all 8 cores at the same time to make it a true octacore
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Source? Cause idk about that....
kiter86 said:
Not true anymore. They are releasing an update to run all 8 cores at the same time to make it a true octacore
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I thought they were. Wasn't it something like a Heterogeneous or HMP update.
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Source? Cause idk about that....
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was news a few weeks ago.......
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...-update-to-become-true-octa-core-chip_id47353
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...a-software-new-hardware-not-needed-after-all/
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Not true anymore. They are releasing an update to run all 8 cores at the same time to make it a true octacore
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It can't be a true 8-core. The extra 4 cores are far less powerful then the other 4.
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It can't be a true 8-core. The extra 4 cores are far less powerful then the other 4.
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Let me tell you some preludes:
The reason behind using 8 cores was to put in a pair of four aggressively powerful quad processors like the cortex A15 with another pair of less powerful yet more power efficient four quad processors like cortex A7.
This is the main intention behind putting all these 8 cores of ARM's big.little architecture. The purpose is to let the A15s handle power hungry tasks like web page opening, playing an asphalt 8 game etc while the a7s would handle "simple" tasks. This is more vividly demoed in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zwbeb08W27U
Now, the way you are saying it is not a true 8 core processor as if you are
1. demanding 8 cortex A15 processors using 28 nm technology.
Do you know/have any idea what could happen if they all be available online at the same time in this case?
or
2. you knew there was a "true" octa core processor in the world, to be (or already) implemented in another device. IF SO, point us to that device and also explain what is the ideal to call a processor true 8 core.
It was never an intention of ARM to put eight A15s (for example) available for heterogeneous multi-processing.
Go here. Again 64 bit A57s are to be paired with 32 bit A52s.
Even the S4 equipped with exynos 5410 is an octa core processor device. It is just that the bloody CCI (cache coherence interconnector, CCI400) was crippled to enable all the 8 cores available online. Once the 8 cores packed in a SoC like this it is an octa core processor device. Whether or not you like it to call true 8 core.
Samsung/ARM worked on this and released another SoC (in the form of upgraded exynos) which has a working CCI that is free from the above mentioned flaw(s) which will have Cluster Migration by default and will receive the update that is made from Linaro team to enable all the 8 cores available online and therefore will become a "TRULY WORKING" 8 core processor which is implemented in Note 3.
These are facts, these have been heavily discussed in the general section of Samsung Galaxy S4 forums.
Oh, another thing- just because all these 8 cores are made to be available online it does not mean all the 8 cores will be working Simultaneously regardless of what application is in the process. Depending on the needs of the app(s) all these 8 cores (ranging from 1 core to the extreme case- 8 cores) can be used. If an app needs 4 cores, they can be used. If it needs 6 cores then they can be used. If it needs 8 cores then they can be used.
I personally am curious to see how it be going when all the 8 cores were used for an app.
And to the OP who's demadning a straight answer, my thoughts:
we do not know anything atm how power efficient and cool it'd be to have the HMP doing all these tasks. This requires
real life buyers buy the device
start playing with it
see how hot the device becomes (compared to another exynos device like s4).
It actually depends on those stuffs. You demand the answer as if we all knew from the beginning how exynos 5420 gonna perform in real life.
I've always wondered, how is the moto x faster than the quad core nexus 4? is there a way in making the nexus 4 faster? thankks
idonttakedrugs said:
I've always wondered, how is the moto x faster than the quad core nexus 4? is there a way in making the nexus 4 faster? thankks
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why are you comparing a diesel powered car ( n4) with hybrid car ( moto x) ? even if you did now both are fast, smooth and work great for everything asked to do so .... cores dont really matter
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why are you comparing a diesel powered car ( n4) with hybrid car ( moto x) ? even if you did now both are fast, smooth and work great for everything asked to do so .... cores dont really matter
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aint they the same processor though? the nexus 4 must have potential.......
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aint they the same processor though? the nexus 4 must have potential.......
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http://www.cnet.com/news/top-motorola-engineer-defends-moto-x-specs-q-a/
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http://www.cnet.com/news/top-motorola-engineer-defends-moto-x-specs-q-a/
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Hmm
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Good job on making Moto X only for US market......very smart decision -_-
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Good job on making Moto X only for US market......very smart decision -_-
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Nooo! Its come to the UK earlier this year! Its not us exclusive anymore. Moto maker is though ?
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They do not have the same processor. They do not have the same cores either.
Simply put the nexus 4 has krait 200 cores. The moto x has krait 300 cores.
The krait 300 cores are faster clock for clock than the 200. They also of course have a clockspeed advantage too.
All of Qualcomms crazy naming scheme aside. The moto x has basically a dual core S600 at 1.7ghz. Think HTC one m7 with two cores. And those two cores run at the their max frequency quite a bit often to boot....
User psx on nexus 4 and compare them
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Quick summary:
N4: APQ8064 Krait 200 quad core @1.5ghz
MX: MSM8960DT Krait 300 dual core @1.7ghz
2013 N7: APQ8064AA Krait 300 quad core @1.5ghz
S4: APQ8064AC Krait 300 quad core @1.9ghz
S5: MSM8974ACv3 Krait 400 quad core @2.45ghz
(the fact some are S4Pros and some are S600's means very little, it's mostly K200 vs K300)
The moto x / 2013 N7 / S4 are pretty closely matched perf wise, which makes sense as they're all the same platform.
If you jump two steps between S4Pro -> S600 -> S800 -> S801 then there's a fair sized perf change, much less so with a single step jump.
At stock clocks I dont feel my S4 or 2013 N7 are dramatically faster then my N4.
It's merely that the N4 has the shortest battery life of the 3 (both relative and obviously absolute)
If you OC your N4, you could easily catch up in raw cpu power (if you ignore the fact that you could OC the other device too).
I wouldnt be too surprised if a K200 @~2.0-2.2+ ghz would equal a K300 @1.7-1.9ghz, though you'd shorten battery life even more on a already short life device.
If you could magically OC a N4 to ~3ghz, I wouldnt be surprised if it could keep up with the S5, I also wouldnt be surprised if it dies in 5 mins.
The N4 is very disadvantaged when it comes to thermal throttling, since once it hits the heat ceiling it drops like 20% in performance so it doesnt overheat.
You could also do the heatsink hardmod if it was really important, it's a rather easy mod (if you dont mind the fact you need to take it apart to do)
All devices have a thermal ceiling, but the N4 is usually disadvantaged when it comes to that. It's far easier to hit it on a N4 then any other device.
You could also do the qcom dalvik+bionic mod, it improved benchmark scores on my N7 by 15% (but much less on my N4, also I said benchmark and not "performance", it's very hard to quantify general performance/smoothness)
I think there was a F2FS mod for the n4, if there is and it works you could dramatically improve storage speed if you use that.
Finally you could always throw random build.prop mods, placebo effects are always the best as far as cost/performance goes.
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Moto has generally simply been spinning for marketing.
The fact of the matter is that the MSM8960DT is basically varient of the APQ8064AB/Ax that has 2 cores instead of 4.
Devices newer then the MX also have similar coprocessors now to offload idle sensor work, it's a general part of the S800/801 platform.
There's nothing stopping a manu from including them with any equivilent quad core soc,
which is essentially what qcom did with their own coprocessors in the S800/801 platforms.
Battery life on it is about equal to it's APQ8064Ax cousins since they're obviously the same cpu.
Depending on the rom/kernel, you can turn 2 cores off on the N7/S4/whatver,
but you cant turn 2 more cores on the MX.
The moto x has a slightly faster cores and clock speed but as there are too less cores it is slower. The reason it seems faster is the software optimizations Motorola have included on the moto x. Things such as optimized dalvik and bionic and using F2FS. If you install these on the nexus 4 i think it will be quicker.
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The moto x has a slightly faster cores and clock speed but as there are too less cores it is slower. The reason it seems faster is the software optimizations Motorola have included on the moto x. Things such as optimized dalvik and bionic and using F2FS. If you install these on the nexus 4 i think it will be quicker.
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The nexus 4 is just not quicker no matter what you do.
Quad vs dual is irrelevant. There aren't hardly any workloads on mobile that even require four cores let alone max them out. And if you do its going to throttle very quick anyways.
Krait 300 cores are faster period. The moto x is faster period. The hardware is just faster.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6747/htc-one-review/11
No software optimization or trickery. Krait 300 is just faster. It doesn't seem faster. It's faster.
Krait 200 was already a old core relatively speaking when the s4 pro came out. It is the same core as the last gen SoC in the s3 class devices. Just with a newer gpu basically.
Can't believe people are still having this silly discussion.
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The nexus 4 is just not quicker no matter what you do.
Quad vs dual is irrelevant. There aren't hardly any workloads on mobile that even require four cores let alone max them out. And if you do its going to throttle very quick anyways.
Krait 300 cores are faster period. The moto x is faster period. The hardware is just faster.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6747/htc-one-review/11
No software optimization or trickery. Krait 300 is just faster. It doesn't seem faster. It's faster.
Krait 200 was already a old core relatively speaking when the s4 pro came out. It is the same core as the last gen SoC in the s3 class devices. Just with a newer gpu basically.
Can't believe people are still having this silly discussion.
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Yes krait 300 is faster than 200, around 20-30%. The fact the nexus 4 does have 2 more cores does make it faster and just because "There aren't hardly any workloads on mobile that even require four cores let alone max them out" doesn't mean the moto x is faster ( at least by my definition of the word). The nexus 4 already beats in benchmarks but if the moto x does beat the nexus in things such as UI its because of all Motorola's software optimizations like i mentioned before.
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Yes krait 300 is faster than 200, around 20-30%. The fact the nexus 4 does have 2 more cores does make it faster and just because "There aren't hardly any workloads on mobile that even require four cores let alone max them out" doesn't mean the moto x is faster ( at least by my definition of the word). The nexus 4 already beats in benchmarks but if the moto x does beat the nexus in things such as UI its because of all Motorola's software optimizations like i mentioned before.
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In the majority of benchmarks that moto X wins. It even beats the quad core s600 devices in many of them as well. Even giving up 50mhz on the gpu to them.
Throttling is a big deal. Those chips throttle quicker and their clockspeeds go way down. The moto X spends more time at the highest clocks.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7235/moto-x-review/7
Overall no matter how you try and slice it. In the majority of use cases, real world and benchmarks. The moto X is faster
And it doesn't beat it in stuff like ui because of some optimization. It beats it because it is a significantly faster clock for clock and has a clockspeed advantage. And browsing around the ui doesn't use for cores on top of it all. You can easily show that on your nexus 4 with a custom kernel and setting it to dual core only.
It's faster because the platform is faster.
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In the majority of benchmarks that moto X wins. It even beats the quad core s600 devices in many of them as well. Even giving up 50mhz on the gpu to them.
Throttling is a big deal. Those chips throttle quicker and their clockspeeds go way down. The moto X spends more time at the highest clocks.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7235/moto-x-review/7
Overall no matter how you try and slice it. In the majority of use cases, real world and benchmarks. The moto X is faster
And it doesn't beat it in stuff like ui because of some optimization. It beats it because it is a significantly faster clock for clock and has a clockspeed advantage. And browsing around the ui doesn't use for cores on top of it all. You can easily show that on your nexus 4 with a custom kernel and setting it to dual core only.
It's faster because the platform is faster.
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What benchmarks are these? I know the motox has great GPU performance (mostly as it's one of the few snap 600 with a 720p screen) but in CPU performance it usually is lower than quad core s600 devices. For example in geekbench. But yes the moto x is faster than many in real world performance but this is largely due to all Moto's software optimizations.
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What benchmarks are these? I know the motox has great GPU performance (mostly as it's one of the few snap 600 with a 720p screen) but in CPU performance it usually is lower than quad core s600 devices. For example in geekbench. But yes the moto x is faster than many in real world performance but this is largely due to all Moto's software optimizations.
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The article tells you what is used in it. Also for the gpu test many of them have offscreen testing as well which negates the resolution difference.
Again it's faster in many cases because the hardware is just faster period. Just as taking a HTC one m7 and a custom kernel with 2 cores disabled would be faster in real world performance as well compared to nexus 4.
Real world performance is not some micro level threaded benchmark test.