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Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx3pdWBlZ34&feature=player_embedded
SDK:
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.3.html
Here's hoping we get some ROM's soon!
Nexus S:
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/12/introducing-nexus-s-with-gingerbread.html
"Nexus S is the first smartphone to feature a 4” Contour Display designed to fit comfortably in the palm of your hand and along the side of your face. It also features a 1GHz Hummingbird processor, front and rear facing cameras, 16GB of internal memory, and NFC (near field communication) hardware that lets you read information from NFC tags..."
The phone is pretty much a Vibrant with a front camera and NFC. Hopefully we can get some drivers for the new BT, WIFI and GPS.
Now, we wait for Samsung to begin releasing source for the galaxy s platform, right?
Since 2.2 has gone so slow for the Vibrant, I wonder how long we'll have to wait.
Video of the advertisement for the NS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxUXulxE5o0&feature=player_embedded#at=53
Look at the camera layout, same as the Galaxy S. I don't know. I have a feeling we're gonna have a good port.
^ I got that same good feeling.
^ I just feel that same tingling goodness for port. Can feel how TW, Eugene, and other devs are getting ready.
http://www.google.com/phone/compare/?phone=samsung-vibrant-a-galaxy-s-phone&phone=nexus-s
Comparison Chart.
It's the same damn phone, lol.
I hope getting the BT/WIFI/GPS to work isn't an issue. If we can get CM, Eugene or TW to get a stock GB port, I'd be in heaven.
I was just about to post the same link, ha
http://www.google.com/phone/compare/?phone=nexus-s&phone=samsung-vibrant-a-galaxy-s-phone
Great minds think alike. Speaking of great minds, I hope some of the devs are around to see this. Those guys move fast.
I'm pretty sure since CM likes Dev phones, once the NS goes on sale he will work on it and whatever he does with that is likely to get pushed to us.
Eugene is fast though, I'm sure he already built a ROM for it!
Wow to 2.3.
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Koush I know has already ordered one, per a tweet. Team douche may not be able to keep their hands off this samsung.
I notice on the tech specs it doesn't even record 720p video? I guess it'll be easily hackable to do it, but still...
If it's just a vibrant with a working GPS, FFC, and LED flash, I'm all over it lol.
Is the AMOLED screen the same? (As in... pentile RGBG matrix?) That's the only thing that would hold me back...ugh.
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Is the AMOLED screen the same? (As in... pentile RGBG matrix?) That's the only thing that would hold me back...ugh.
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According to engadget it has a 4-inch WVGA display...
Does the S not have an sd card slot? Very.. Very odd.
,Alright time for samsung to release some freaking code.
The phone is quite a let down, but this is necessary. Google needs to use devices that have specs in the wild. Coding on a phone with a dual 1.2 GHz processor with next gen GPU and tons of RAM would only make for an OS that is expensive to build phones for, and an OS that cannot be easily backported to older/supported devices.
That being said, I'm not touching it. Too bad it's not Moto or HTC. Samsung is out, AFAIC.
Apple is about to refresh the iPad, so Android Tablet will face tough competition there.
With the release of WP7, and the patch coming up, Android phone manufacturers are going to start facing stiff competition from low-cost builders like Acer, etc. for the phones, especially since those phones do not require anything near the in-house developer work that Android phones need. They need to start standardizing the hardware better so that the end-user experience is better (update, etc.) and the the performance and developer experience can compare to that of WP7 and iOS.
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I notice on the tech specs it doesn't even record 720p video? I guess it'll be easily hackable to do it, but still...
If it's just a vibrant with a working GPS, FFC, and LED flash, I'm all over it lol.
Is the AMOLED screen the same? (As in... pentile RGBG matrix?) That's the only thing that would hold me back...ugh.
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I don't see anything wrong with the Vibrant's screen. Responsive, sexy, sleek.
Don't get me wrong, I like the Vibrant screen a lot. The ONLY gripe I have with it is the pentile matrix, which makes text look grainy/fuzzy compared to normal LCDs. It's not an AMOLED thing, it's their decision of RGBG instead of RGB for each pixel (technically RGBG is 2 pixels). The Nexus One has the same type of thing, but the screen is 3.7" so it's not as noticeable. On a 4" screen it's much more pronounced... I suggest you don't compare text to an iPhone or MT4G so you don't get annoyed when you see what I'm talking about =)
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I don't see anything wrong with the Vibrant's screen. Responsive, sexy, sleek.
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S doesn't have an SD. With built in Apps2SD, I guess they felt they didn't need it. 16GB is a lot of space.
::shrug::
I'm not getting the S. I was going to if it was dual core but there is no need to now. My Vibrant will morph into a Nexus S shortly...
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Don't get me wrong, I like the Vibrant screen a lot. The ONLY gripe I have with it is the pentile matrix, which makes text look grainy/fuzzy compared to normal LCDs. It's not an AMOLED thing, it's their decision of RGBG instead of RGB for each pixel (technically RGBG is 2 pixels)
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Ah, I only notice that once in a while. I have bad eyesight anyway!
2.3 focus is on games and multimedia. I can't wait to see the Apps and games!
here is the link to the nexus s...
http://www.google.com/nexus/#!/features
the phone is sexy but sucks i cant get it at tmobile stores. cause my upgrade isnt due till october of next year. i dont think best buy would let me upgrade early.
leaked specs from MWC, big surprise no orion on the samsung.
http://www.droiddog.com/android-blo...-2/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Last I heard, Samsung was going to Tegra chips, not Qualcomm. If those specs are true, I'll likely go elsewhere for my next phone.
This makes no sense... Adreno 205 is actually a downgrade from what we have.
Doesn't matter, never again am I getting a Samsung phone (I do however love the developers for putting such effort into being the software updaters of the Fascinate). Next phone is a Bionic, guaranteed.
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This makes no sense... Adreno 205 is actually a downgrade from what we have.
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Yeah, at best, it'd be on par with what we have. The only thing that combo has going for it is multi-core.
TheSonicEmerald said:
Doesn't matter, never again am I getting a Samsung phone (I do however love the developers for putting such effort into being the software updaters of the Fascinate). Next phone is a Bionic, guaranteed.
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Why? If they leave the phone completely open as they have done with this, devs will come on board and fix whatever issues there are. You can always fix the software side, but you can't fix hardware.
Unless Samsung makes their phones out of something a little more solid than plastic, and improves theirs GPS, call quality, and signal, Motorola is doing to have the edge in all these areas. Themes and custom roms are good enough for me, and Tegra 2 is speedy enough to last for a pretty long time.
Different specs posted on Android Central that look more believable to me, see here
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/10/samsung-dubs-its-mobile-processors-exynos-dual-core-4210-forme/
Looks like they will be using their own processors
Many different specs on many retailers sites, the confusion persists...
For me, if it keeps being 800x480, then better wait for qHD devices...
BGR has a review of the Atrix. Here is what they say about the qHD screen:
"The 4-inch display on the ATRIX packs a whopping 960 x 540 pixels into what Motorola is calling a qHD display. While the resolution is quite high, the display to us still looked pretty pixelated. It’s a little odd that the display on the Motorola DROID X actually looks better than the qHD display, in terms of clarity. Colors, however, look great and the panel is very bright and evenly lit. The screen on the ATRIX also fares very well in the touch sensitivity department with a solid and reliable capacitative touch screen."
http://www.bgr.com/2011/02/09/motorola-atrix-4g-review/
More pixels doesn't mean better. The Droid X screen isn't very good to begin with, and they say it looks worse than that. The youtube videos of the Atrix from CES don't flatter the screen either. Unless Google optimizes everything for the qHD display, it only has limited uses and with this screen at least, many visual drawbacks. qHD on the Atrix, another numbers game with little gain.
I can't get enough of sammies super amoleds...
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"The 4-inch display on the ATRIX packs a whopping 960 x 540 pixels into what Motorola is calling a qHD display. While the resolution is quite high, the display to us still looked pretty pixelated. It’s a little odd that the display on the Motorola DROID X actually looks better than the qHD display, in terms of clarity.
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More pixels doesn't mean better... qHD on the Atrix, another numbers game with little gain.
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Many thanks for these info
Thought it was really better with higher res
If it were a "revolutionary" retina display it would be good.
silverwolf0 said:
BGR has a review of the Atrix. Here is what they say about the qHD screen:
"The 4-inch display on the ATRIX packs a whopping 960 x 540 pixels into what Motorola is calling a qHD display. While the resolution is quite high, the display to us still looked pretty pixelated. It’s a little odd that the display on the Motorola DROID X actually looks better than the qHD display, in terms of clarity. Colors, however, look great and the panel is very bright and evenly lit. The screen on the ATRIX also fares very well in the touch sensitivity department with a solid and reliable capacitative touch screen."
http://www.bgr.com/2011/02/09/motorola-atrix-4g-review/
More pixels doesn't mean better. The Droid X screen isn't very good to begin with, and they say it looks worse than that. The youtube videos of the Atrix from CES don't flatter the screen either. Unless Google optimizes everything for the qHD display, it only has limited uses and with this screen at least, many visual drawbacks. qHD on the Atrix, another numbers game with little gain.
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A display is only as good as the media its displaying. If Moto doesn't beef up their icons, then the extra res wont matter. That being said, the phone is capable of much better resolution than any phone, bested only by the iPhone, however, the SF has us all spoiled in the color depth and clarity dept.
Isn't the sub pixel density much higher on the new samsung screens? If so, count me in. This phone is pretty good as is, has a great dev community and with a better screen and faster internals, what's not to like? Please don't say "lack of froyo on the fascinate," because it did take a long time, but we have it now.
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Its not the "lack" of froyo, my friends refuse to mod their phone and they dont have it. Its the lack of support, I really used to like samsung, but in overall product I was really let down by this product.
I am taking it as far as I might not get one of their TVs now, I have a friend who had to get his replaced, and my dads 3D wont work. Just feels like samsung is falling down all around me.
To be released this month
What a slap in the face -- I just got my fascinate a week ago. lol.
Looks like the only way I'll ever see 2.3 (or anything official beyond 2.1) will be by buying up a GS2
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Isn't the sub pixel density much higher on the new samsung screens? If so, count me in. This phone is pretty good as is, has a great dev community and with a better screen and faster internals, what's not to like? Please don't say "lack of froyo on the fascinate," because it did take a long time, but we have it now.
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The pixel density is claimed to be higher, but there was a side by side done with those screens, and it wasn't that much of a difference to the naked eye. I wouldn't get my hopes up....just sayin'
And you have to realize, we have it, and its floating around the internet now, but most users neither have the time or the know-how/balls to install something like that. Those are the people I truly feel sorry for, they're getting duped.
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To be released this month
What a slap in the face -- I just got my fascinate a week ago. lol.
Looks like the only way I'll ever see 2.3 (or anything official beyond 2.1) will be by buying up a GS2
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You should have ~15 days to return the phone if you "don't like it", if you really want the second one that badly.
KitsuneKnight said:
You should have ~15 days to return the phone if you "don't like it", if you really want the second one that badly.
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I'm more than content with the phone.. esp with all the XDA dev love
I just have a horrible habit of buying tech and then a >month later a new version releases. lol.
I have a dilemma...
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4136&idPhone2=4135
i want the Galaxy Note because of it's newer features, but i want the 7.7 size of the Galaxy Tablet, actually i want 10.1 but it's not SAMOLED HD, the Note is only 5.3 not big enough as a tablet, yet not small enough as a phone
i've seen and used the Gnote in person and it's big. way bigger than my SGS2. but not big enough to see games in a bigger screen
so the 7.7 is as good as it gets until the release a 10.1 SAMOLED HD version
the spec on the 7.7 seems a little bit dated vs the Note 5.3 (camera MP, resolution 720 vs 1080, and many many others)
so i'm really unsure about the purchase
if i got for the 7.7 i'll probably go for the 64 GB version or at least 32 GB like on the Note
ideally i'd like to use 3G on either of the two, but both are not compatible with Tmo AWS 1700
it'd have been a simple purchase if the 7.7 had the same spec as the 5.3 except for the better screen
The Note and the 7.7 both have the same resolution.
http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxynote/note/spec.html?type=find
Really, the Note's strengths are in its digitizer pen and pocket-ability. I can't see keeping both a Galaxy 2 and the Note. It's kind of odd how many niches Samsung is trying to fill, but they're all pretty solid products so there can be a dilemma when choosing. If you just want a larger SAMOLED screen then you may have to wait.
SGT7.7 is using the better screen SAMOLED+ = RGB matrix
while the Note is only using the SAMOLED HD = Pentile matrix
I have a Note, and I have a Tab 8.9 LTE (not Tegra!) and an SGS2.
I haven't touched the SGS2 in three weeks. I rarely use the Tab now. I use the hell out of my Note. I also have a 1st-gen Tab 7" 3G, which is now a very expensive alarm clock.
That said, I'm still going to buy a 7.7 3G. It's just too sexy to resist that big SAMOLED HD Plus display combined with Exynos, in a thin, mostly metal case.
Don't know how much real use I'll get out of it if I keep the Note though.
GT-P6800 vs GT-N7000: FIGHT!!!
Since I currently have both devices, I'll give you my take on them in their own right. Bear in mind, this is my own personal review based on my own experiences with each. So whichever one I favour in the end is really just my own opinion; your experiences may favour a different opinion, and as such, it's really down to the individual as to which one is ultimately better for you. That said, the Galaxy Tab 7.7 and the Galaxy Note are absolutely fantastic devices, and I love them both.
By now, most of us know that these devices are very similar on the inside, so I'm going to break this down by their differences instead. Mainly I'm going to focus on the most obvious differences like screen, battery, camera, form factor, and x-factor (like things which can't really be put on a spec sheet).
So let's begin!
Screen:
Let me just start this section by saying that both screens are absolutely gorgeous! Both have a 1280x800 resolution but that's about where the similarities end. The Note features Samsung's HD SAMOLED display technology vs the 7.7's HD SAMOLED Plus technology. Now, there's a lot of hoo-ha going on about the inferiority of the PenTile subpixel arrangement that the Note uses, and that it would have been just that much better had it been the same kind of RGB subpixel matrix used in the Galaxy S2 (and the 7.7 for that matter!). To this is say in the most respectful manner possible, QUIT YOUR MOANING!!! It makes complete sense as to why Samsung chose to use the PenTile pixel arrangement with the Note due to its smaller size; you can achieve a higher resolution with fewer subpixels. If Samsung had gone with an RGB arrangement instead, with today's current technology, either the screen would have had to have been bigger, or the resolution lower (maybe qHD or something). On top of that, I actually kinda like the way that the PenTile display seems to dither and/or anti-alias images. So oblique angles appear sharper and less pixelated. Text on the Note is crisp and easy to read, even without having to zoom in. On top of that, since PenTile uses more green subpixels than either red or blue, and since human eyes are more sensitive to green, the Note's display appears to be noticeably brighter than the 7.7
Now for the 7.7's display, and oh what a great display this is! If you've ever seen or used the SAMOLED Plus displays found on the Galaxy S2 or other Samsung products using the same technology, you'll feel right at home with the 7.7; it's the same exact thing, only bigger and more of it! What's not to like? Not much really. The only thing I find worth noting when comparing the 7.7's display to the Note, apart from the difference in the subpixel design which I have already talked about, is the brightness. The 7.7 doesn't really appear to be as bright as one might expect. However, what the 7.7 lacks in brightness, it more than makes up for in colour accuracy. The 7.7 reproduces colours which are warmer and more natural looking than what you might see on the Note. Even when I compared my 7.7 to my 8.9 side by side, the 7.7 wasn't as bright as the IPS panel in that device, though there was no competition with the 7.7's contrast levels or colour reproduction. All in all, the 7.7's screen is absolutely brilliant. Its refinement means that it focuses on being the best it can be in all areas rather than having to exaggerate one strength in order to distract the user from any would-be downfalls.
EDGE: Draw.
At the end of the day, both screens are winners because they are best suited to the respective sizes of the devices they're on, which leads me to the next category.
Form factor:
Which do you prefer: A small, slim, lightweight tablet that can double as your phone? Or do you prefer a jumbo sized phone which packs the power and versatility of being able to play the role of a tablet?
This one really comes down to the individual and their lifestyle, so it's very hard to remain objective here.
As a phone, the Note is massive. Once I had become used to the sheer size of it, my old Galaxy S2 felt utterly tiny in my hand for comparison. It's a really strange feeling which you have to experience yourself in order to fully understand. Having said that though, once you get used to it, it feels just like any other smartphone, only better. As someone with pretty big hands, having the extra real estate makes texting a breeze. Viewing web pages is also a much more pleasant experience than on any smartphone I have ever used, period. As large as the Note is for a phone, it was surprisingly pocketable. I rarely had an issue where it didn't comfortably slip right into my everyday trousers or jeans without a fuss. Finally, I never found it to be as awkward as I had expected when it came to the times I had to hold it up to my ear to take the occasional phone call either. I was half expecting to look like a fool holding something so massive as the Note up to my head, but it's really not an issue. It felt obvious to me that Samsung took a lot of care into making sure that the Note would push, but not exceed, the boundaries of what is the best and most comfortable fit for everyday people in most situations, and that's what makes it great.
On the other hand, the 7.7 feels amazing! When I first picked it up out of the box, I was almost startled by how thin and light it is! If Samsung had announced that the 7.7 could double as your razor blade, and you could effectively use it to shave, I could totally see that being a real possibility. Yeah, it's like that. Perhaps it's a good thing that the 7.7 is encased in lovely brushed aluminium to weight it down lest I'd be worried that it would simply float away in a light breeze. For me, the 7.7 hits the sweet spot as a tablet. I have owned both the original Galaxy Tab as well as the 8.9. With the original, I loved how portable it was, but the screen size and resolution left me wanting just a little bit more. For a while I had the 8.9, but compared to the original, it felt just a little too cumbersome and unwieldy for me. With the 7.7, I think Samsung has finally cracked it! It's just big enough that I can still have a full tablet experience, yet it's still just small enough that I can very easily slip it into a vest or coat pocket, with no ill effect. It's nice not having to carry it around in a separate man-purse. Absolutely brilliant! I will say however, that holding it up to your head to take the occasional phone call does look quite ridiculous... However, this embarrassment can easily be avoided by using either the included earphones or bluetooth. Problem solved. I should mention that I have a Samsung HM5000 on its way, so we'll see how that changes or improves the overall experience. Overall though, the 7.7 is still fantastic as both tablet and phone.
EDGE: Draw.
Again, this all comes down to the individual, so in an effort to remain objective on a very subjective category, I can't really award an edge to either device.
Camera:
I'll be completely honest here: The 7.7's 3mp shooter can't even touch the 8mp beauty packed into the Note. To say that the 7.7's main camera is adequate, is about the nicest thing I can say for it overall. Though both units can record 720p video (with the Note being able to take it a step further by doing 1080p as well), the pictures and video captured by the 7.7 are very grainy in comparison. Why Samsung chose to forego a better shooter with 7.7 is beyond my understanding. Perhaps size and/or cost restrictions. Who knows?
So, if you take a lot of pictures, and camera quality is a big issue for you, then you're best off going with the Note on this one. However, if a stellar camera is more of a bonus than a selling point for you, the 7.7's shooter is, as I said, adequate. Either way, the Note's camera is the clear winner here.
EDGE: Note.
Battery:
The Note features a whopping 2500mah battery compared to a stellar 5000mah battery found in the 7.7
Though the 7.7's battery is literally twice as powerful as the Note's, it is having to power a much larger screen. Obviously, battery performance all depends on your usage, so your own experience could vary considerably. Having said that, with both devices I rarely had any issues with getting through a whole day of moderate to heavy usage and still having some power to spare. Now this is moderate to heavy usage with the screens both set to full brightness levels mind you. If you take advantage of the built-in power management features and reduce your screen brightness, I have little doubt in my mind that you can very easily go a couple days of moderate usage without having to worry about charging.
In my experience, I would say that both devices are about equal when it comes to battery performance.
EDGE: Draw.
X-Factor:
This is the category to describe what makes each of these devices special in their own way.
For the Note, the obvious x-factor is the s-pen. For some people, this is a huge selling point. Steve Jobs once said that if you're using a stylus, you're doing it wrong. As much as it pains me to admit, I think he was right... to an extent. The fact that there are a plethora of after-market capacitive styli available for use on our modern touch-screen devices is evidence to the fact that a lot of people still want something to hold in their hands as a way of interacting with their equipment. Anyone who has tried to take handwritten notes using their fingers alone knows this truth; the pen was invented for a reason. Fortunately, Samsung had the creative vision to pose the question, "Why not not have the best of both worlds?" Thus the Note was born. It's important to remember that the s-pen is no ordinary stylus. In fact, Samsung prefers not to even call it that, and no wonder! It would be virtually insulting to call the s-pen a mere stylus, because in many ways, it's really much much more. The s-pen isn't actually capacitive at all in fact. Instead, it uses the very same industry leading technology found in Wacom tablets used by many artists today. To have that same technology in the palm of your hand is truly a worthy x-factor for the Note.
For the 7.7, the x-factor is its very own design and build quality. I'm not sure how to accurately put into words just how well built the 7.7 is and, in turn, just how much of a difference that makes for how it feels in your hands. You really have to hold it to fully comprehend what I mean. Every inch of it feels so well thought out and crafted to perfection. The thought of putting it in an after-market case of some sort, or slapping some screen protector on it just feels sacrilegious in some way; kinda like with what George Lucas has done in his Star Wars remakes. Leave it as it is and appreciate it for its own magnificence. It's rare to see Samsung use this level of quality in the materials it chooses for making its devices. In this particular case, the 7.7 has "premium" written all over it. In short, it's a work of art. Well done Samsung!
EDGE: Draw
Other thoughts and conclusion:
It's incredible to realize just how much we are able to do with our mobile devices today compared to 2 years ago, or 5, or 10, etc. The idea of bringing single device with you which could fill the roles of a phone, GPS, media player, camera, laptop, etc. is something that, at one point, seemed nearly impossible. Yet here we are. We have come to a point where we expect and demand that our devices be capable of doing all these things effortlessly, on-demand, on the go, untethered, and unlimited. So, with regard to the Note and the 7.7 (and indeed any mobile device), the question is: how well can these devices live up to our demands and expectations?
For me, the overall winner here is the Galaxy Tab 7.7
Don't get me wrong, I love the Note. It is a fantastic device, and I feel that it really does what few others do: live up to its very own concept. However, for me anyway, it just doesn't quite fit into my lifestyle quite as well at the 7.7 does. The s-pen is a brilliant idea, but for an IT guy with terrible hand writing who doesn't really spend a whole lot of time sketching or doodling, the s-pen x-factor is somewhat lost on me. At the end of the day, with the s-pen safely nestled away, the Note is just a really big Galaxy S2 to me. That's not a bad thing at all by any right, however, I already have a Galaxy S2, and it does what it does very well. Also, despite the virtually identical internals, the 7.7 does feel much snappier, smoother, and generally more responsive. If the Alpha build of CM9 is anything to go by, I'm sure ICS will all change the user experience for the better on the Note. However, as it stands, the overall fluidity of the 7.7 is something that, frankly, puts even the iPad 2 to shame, and that's saying something! Also, as I mentioned earlier, I have the HM-5000 bluetooth handset on order. I suspect when that gets paired up to the 7.7 it will prove to be a deadly combo by merging a full tablet experience with a practical phone experience, all in a nice neat package.
In closing, here's a little food for thought.
I had posted on the Note forum what I think would be the ultimate device for me:
Imagine an upgraded 7.7 that more-or-less keeps the existing form factor but with subtle refinements. Maybe include a better screen and camera. Perhaps include Samsung's upcoming 5 series Exynos chip as well.
Now imagine an upgraded HM-5000 with a sleeker design which includes s-pen technology on one end, a 3.5mm jack on the other end, and maybe a monochrome OLED display in the middle for things like caller-ID, message info, and media playback info.
Now pair those two together...
Holy hell...
Samsung, I hope you're listening!
Hope you've enjoyed this guys! Thanks!
I have an SGN 5.3 and an SGT10.1V
I sold my SGT 7. Its to small for home use an to big for mobile use.
There is no need for an new SGT 7.7.
An new Tab with 10.1 Amoled and full hd screen compatible with google tv resolution would be great.
Good Read
Nice job of evaluating the two products. I have both the Note and the Tab 7.7. I concur both are extremely good products. The only negative I have found is the font size with the 7.7 appears to be half of the Note size. I wish Tab 7.7 font size would at least match the size of the smaller Note, then a toss up on which is best. Then it becomes per user's needs and interests. Currently, unless something can be done (ICS 4.2?) then readability becomes a real issue, and I would have to select the Note. perhaps all the available software has to catch up with the increased resolutions of the screens. Maybe most software programs are written to work on a 5.3" screen, but lose it when you go to a tablet with 1280X800 resolution. I read the next Prime will be 1920X1200. If true, and if font small now due to increased resolution, or whatever the reasons, how would you even see print with this resolution?
I did have a Tab 7 Plus for a month late last year, with 1024 X 600 resolution, and all software seemed to be readable, not anymore.
I have gone by two Notes by now!
I'm waiting for my 7.7 to get home!
for me, Note requires me to stop doing what ever im doing and use both hands to do it (unlike my 4.2" DHD). so if i have to use both hands, i rather have a bigger screen (and bigger bat).
i do take a lot of photos for internet posting. shame the sensor is worse
I'd say wait for a quad core galaxy tab if you can, if not the note is the way to go.
Thanks Jade Eyed Wolf very good info & more food for thoughts before making the final purchase
... i still can't make up my mind ! LOL i like them both
FernandoMiguel said:
I have gone by two Notes by now!
I'm waiting for my 7.7 to get home!
for me, Note requires me to stop doing what ever im doing and use both hands to do it (unlike my 4.2" DHD). so if i have to use both hands, i rather have a bigger screen (and bigger bat).
i do take a lot of photos for internet posting. shame the sensor is worse
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See, this is EXACTLY one of the points that is bothering the most about the Note, i really like the Note, but being only 5.3 is a really odd and weird side, which i need to use both hands to use it, but the screen readability is not better than those on 4.5"
the resolution is larger, but everything else it seems like compressed due the size of the 5.3 screen
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Maybe most software programs are written to work on a 5.3" screen, but lose it when you go to a tablet with 1280X800 resolution. I read the next Prime will be 1920X1200. If true, and if font small now due to increased resolution, or whatever the reasons, how would you even see print with this resolution?
I did have a Tab 7 Plus for a month late last year, with 1024 X 600 resolution, and all software seemed to be readable, not anymore.
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now this is the thing that is not really what you believe
both Note and 7.7 runs at the same resolution, so naturally on the 7.7 every thing looks enlarged and easier to read, while both occupaying the same space in relation to the resolution, all these will become more obvious when everything runs 4.x, instead of 3.x vs 2.3.x and all showing different things.
the truth is most of the apps are designed for the old "HD" resolution which was 800x480 the new "HD v2.0" is 1280x800, so anything that you see blurry are probably old 800x480 apps/games displayed (enlarged) on the 1280x800 screen
as Apps/Games maker updates their graphics and fonts to match the 1280x800 resolution screens, you'll see better and crispier text & picture quality
Personally my dilemma is that, i want to see bigger pictures and text on the same 1280x800 scale, that's why i like the 7.7 more it's less of a strain for my eyes, but the lower quality Camera and lack of the Pen and other nice features from the Note, makes is a real hard decision to lock on to either one
if it's all pure like like as in good package of everything i want, i'd have to default to the Note, but... the only turn down on the Note is it's 5.3" screen size
aaaaarrrrrrgggghhhhhhhh.... i'm torn between the two, can't make up my mind
maybe i should wait for the 10.1" SAMOLED version to come out before i revisit my purchase options
Sleek69 said:
I'd say wait for a quad core galaxy tab if you can, if not the note is the way to go.
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currently that's the last thing that concerns me
once you hit dual core, any extra core are just bonus
all i use my phone/tablet most for is webbing, emails, text, phone calls, games, apps, videos and music, the any extra core will only benefit heavy 3D Games, which i don't have that much luxury of time to play with
as the only times i'll be playing any game is in a bus/subway, bus stop, waiting room, doctor office, restaurant waiting for food or people to arrive, and stuff like that
any good heavy 3D game will usually require you to sit there and play for a good 30 min before you archive progress or able to reach to the next Save Point... so no, not worth it
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I have an SGN 5.3 and an SGT10.1V
I sold my SGT 7. Its to small for home use an to big for mobile use.
There is no need for an new SGT 7.7.
An new Tab with 10.1 Amoled and full hd screen compatible with google tv resolution would be great.
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The Note is too big to be an allday phone, the 10.1 is far too big and heavy to be used as a mobile device. The perfect size would be the one of the old 7" but of course the 7.7 is almost the same size and still extremely portable. I can chat on it, use video calls, browse, read my RSS feeds, emails and a lot more. It's my daily companion as the 7" was before and I'm absolutely addicted to either of them.
As you can see, opinions and favours differ very much.
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@Jade Eyed Wolf
re: screen
i totally agree with you there, i actually have both pentile on my older SGS i9000 and Nexus S an the normal RGB on my SGS2 T989
i don't mind the pentile that much as other people exaggerate, but at times it's obvious the green line / blue line on the side of the screen but only noticeable on a white screen otherwise not noticeable at all, the only draw back on the pentile readability is white text seems coloured
the RGB SAMOLED+ as mentioned it does definitely produces a much more natural warmer colours, that what makes me want the 7.7 the most knowing it also uses the SAMOLED+ but in HD
re: camera
same view, if Samsung at least included a 5 MP camera, i wouldn't have had a 2nd though about picking up the 7.7 right away, but having a 3 MP camera is like going back to the dark ages of quick shot cameras...
that's one of the factors i could ignore, as i'd most likely hang on to my SGS2 as the main Phone/Camera/WiFi hot spot/GPS
while off loading all the work & entertainment functions to the 7.7 (assuming i go for it)
but it'll always be hanging as a after though in the back of my mind, if i do make the purchase, i wouldn't be completely be happy with the purchase.
re: battery
based on my own personal usage, i'll definitely like the larger battery capacity of the 7.7 that will allow for more action time, my preference on SAMOLED screen is always 30% that is a sweet spot that brings out all its best while not draining the battery too fast, except unless i'm outdoors then i set it to auto and it will go to 100%
battery should last pretty long since the 2G/3G radio will be off (not compatible in Tmobile AWS 1700), and only using the WiFi
re: x-factor
indeed what attracts me the most of the Note is the pen, i'm actually from the old time Palm, the original inventors per-say of the style, obviously the S pen is not a style but my main reason for wanting a pen again is for Hand written notes, as people says, it's natural and faster than texting
and the OCR tech they included in the note is just fantastic, it felt almost like Palm Pilot devices re-invented all over again
for the 7.7 i'll say the X-factor is more on the perfect screen size is just large enough for me (and maybe most other people) to type with full fingers and both hands on the QWERTY keyboard, which makes texting and forum browsing interation much more of a breeze, that's actually one of the biggest factor why i'm not convinced of the size of the Note, but as its name suggest it's meant for Notes with 1 hand on the pen, and one of the device.
I'm sure once upgraded to ICS both devices, and the software for the S pen is ported over to 7.7 i can pretty sure buy the Spen after market and use it on the 7.7, while still able to use both hands to type on the keyboard, so it's a Win-Win for the 7.7 in that regard
re: other
seems like we both reached to pretty much the same conclusion
although i wont be able to shed off the S2 unless they release a version of 7.7 that can run on AWS
having the S2 already i don't really want the Note, as it's just a larger version of the same with upgraded internals
i really liked how i was able to do full Qwerty with 2 hands on the 7.7 or larger tablets, it feels totally natural to use it as a replacement laptop
in fact my last Duo 2 Core high end gaming laptop that i use for work has been sitting on the shelf for the last 2~3 years collecting dust since i moved to the SGS1 ~ SGS2 that replaced all of its functions
but now that i'm so used to Android, i want to be able to type faster or write notes down faster than having to use only 2 fingers to type stuff in a relatively small screen while easily mistyping another letter cuz of the close proximity of the buttons
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@Jade Eyed Wolf
re: screen
i totally agree with you there, i actually have both pentile on my older SGS i9000 and Nexus S an the normal RGB on my SGS2 T989
i don't mind the pentile that much as other people exaggerate, but at times it's obvious the green line / blue line on the side of the screen but only noticeable on a white screen otherwise not noticeable at all, the only draw back on the pentile readability is white text seems coloured
the RGB SAMOLED+ as mentioned it does definitely produces a much more natural warmer colours, that what makes me want the 7.7 the most knowing it also uses the SAMOLED+ but in HD
re: camera
same view, if Samsung at least included a 5 MP camera, i wouldn't have had a 2nd though about picking up the 7.7 right away, but having a 3 MP camera is like going back to the dark ages of quick shot cameras...
that's one of the factors i could ignore, as i'd most likely hang on to my SGS2 as the main Phone/Camera/WiFi hot spot/GPS
while off loading all the work & entertainment functions to the 7.7 (assuming i go for it)
but it'll always be hanging as a after though in the back of my mind, if i do make the purchase, i wouldn't be completely be happy with the purchase.
re: battery
based on my own personal usage, i'll definitely like the larger battery capacity of the 7.7 that will allow for more action time, my preference on SAMOLED screen is always 30% that is a sweet spot that brings out all its best while not draining the battery too fast, except unless i'm outdoors then i set it to auto and it will go to 100%
battery should last pretty long since the 2G/3G radio will be off (not compatible in Tmobile AWS 1700), and only using the WiFi
re: x-factor
indeed what attracts me the most of the Note is the pen, i'm actually from the old time Palm, the original inventors per-say of the style, obviously the S pen is not a style but my main reason for wanting a pen again is for Hand written notes, as people says, it's natural and faster than texting
and the OCR tech they included in the note is just fantastic, it felt almost like Palm Pilot devices re-invented all over again
for the 7.7 i'll say the X-factor is more on the perfect screen size is just large enough for me (and maybe most other people) to type with full fingers and both hands on the QWERTY keyboard, which makes texting and forum browsing interation much more of a breeze, that's actually one of the biggest factor why i'm not convinced of the size of the Note, but as its name suggest it's meant for Notes with 1 hand on the pen, and one of the device.
I'm sure once upgraded to ICS both devices, and the software for the S pen is ported over to 7.7 i can pretty sure buy the Spen after market and use it on the 7.7, while still able to use both hands to type on the keyboard, so it's a Win-Win for the 7.7 in that regard
re: other
seems like we both reached to pretty much the same conclusion
although i wont be able to shed off the S2 unless they release a version of 7.7 that can run on AWS
having the S2 already i don't really want the Note, as it's just a larger version of the same with upgraded internals
i really liked how i was able to do full Qwerty with 2 hands on the 7.7 or larger tablets, it feels totally natural to use it as a replacement laptop
in fact my last Duo 2 Core high end gaming laptop that i use for work has been sitting on the shelf for the last 2~3 years collecting dust since i moved to the SGS1 ~ SGS2 that replaced all of its functions
but now that i'm so used to Android, i want to be able to type faster or write notes down faster than having to use only 2 fingers to type stuff in a relatively small screen while easily mistyping another letter cuz of the close proximity of the buttons
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Thanks for your comments AllGamer!
Might I suggest that if you're planning on keeping your SGS2 with you as your main camera and phone device, perhaps you might be more interested in the P6810 instead (wifi-only 7.7)? Seems a bit of a waste having a 3G radio if you're just going to keep it off all the time anyway. Main reason I sold my 3G 8.9 actually.
Pairing up a P6810 with an SGS2, along with a very useful app called Tablet Talk would be a very mean combination indeed! I used to do that with my 8.9 and SGS2, and it was fantastic!
Also, I totally agree with you on the 7.7 inch screen being the perfect sweet spot. I should mention as well that thumb-typing in portrait has never been easier!
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AllGamer said:
@Jade Eyed Wolf
and the software for the S pen is ported over to 7.7 i can pretty sure buy the Spen after market and use it on the 7.7
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I wasn't aware that the 7.7 had the necessary hardware built-in to support s-pen functionality. Can you show me a source which claims this?
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I wasn't aware that the 7.7 had the necessary hardware built-in to support s-pen functionality. Can you show me a source which claims this?
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Doesn't this involve having a Wacom digitizer overlay across the screen? I need proof as well.
That reminds... I just bought the galaxy Note and now I'm comtemplating on the Galaxy Tab 7.7 as well.... But as this thread points out, I don't think there is a point of having both the Note and the Tab 7.7 right?
ckyllr said:
Doesn't this involve having a Wacom digitizer overlay across the screen? I need proof as well.
That reminds... I just bought the galaxy Note and now I'm comtemplating on the Galaxy Tab 7.7 as well.... But as this thread points out, I don't think there is a point of having both the Note and the Tab 7.7 right?
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Why not? Note goes in my pocket and is everywhere I am....Tab 7.7 is not so portable, but still awesome.
TL;DR, if you can make a case for a smaller smartphone and a Tab, you can make a case for a Note and a Tab 7.7 too.
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Since I currently have both devices, I'll give you my take on them in their own right
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Read the review and the YouTube video, and fcuk me an hour later I've got one. $21,000NT I hate you
ckyllr said:
Doesn't this involve having a Wacom digitizer overlay across the screen? I need proof as well.
That reminds... I just bought the galaxy Note and now I'm comtemplating on the Galaxy Tab 7.7 as well.... But as this thread points out, I don't think there is a point of having both the Note and the Tab 7.7 right?
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Seeing how Wacom Digitizer from the note doesn't work on my S2, spen from my note won't work on 7.7 either
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AllGamer said:
@Jade Eyed Wolf
i totally agree with you there, i actually have both pentile on my older SGS i9000 and Nexus S an the normal RGB on my SGS2 T989
i don't mind the pentile that much as other people exaggerate, but at times it's obvious the green line / blue line on the side of the screen but only noticeable on a white screen otherwise not noticeable at all, the only draw back on the pentile readability is white text seems coloured
the RGB SAMOLED+ as mentioned it does definitely produces a much more natural warmer colours, that what makes me want the 7.7 the most knowing it also uses the SAMOLED+ but in HD
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It's really not the same comparison as the SGS vs SGS II since the pentile issue is being made up by the higher resolution and pixel density
I wouldn't call the SGS pentile usage worries as an exaggerated concern. There was a huge jump in pic quality when i moved up to S2's 4.3" from the captivate's 4" screen
in terms of color tone, Note seems to be showing more natural tone than my S2
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@Jade Eyed Wolf
I'm sure once upgraded to ICS both devices, and the software for the S pen is ported over to 7.7 i can pretty sure buy the Spen after market and use it on the 7.7, while still able to use both hands to type on the keyboard, so it's a Win-Win for the 7.7 in that regard
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Like i said earlier, wacom digitizer stylus requires hardware support since it's not based on capacitive
Jimmy34742 said:
Read the review and the YouTube video, and fcuk me an hour later I've got one. $21,000NT I hate you
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LMAO!! Well, you're welcome! Spread the hate bro! But enjoy that 7.7 when it arrives
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ph00ny said:
Like i said earlier, wacom digitizer stylus requires hardware support since it's not based on capacitive
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I agree. However, there's another thread here about how the display controller used in the 7.7 supposedly has active digitizer hardware capabilities. That's why I was saying that perhaps all that is needed is the software support.
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Like i said earlier, wacom digitizer stylus requires hardware support since it's not based on capacitive
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Jade Eyed Wolf said:
I agree. However, there's another thread here about how the display controller used in the 7.7 supposedly has active digitizer hardware capabilities. That's why I was saying that perhaps all that is needed is the software support.
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as both of you have pointed out at the moment this is still a theory, we need a coder/hacker that have access to both devices and figure out how to enable it in the 7.7
knowing Samsung they always take the easy route in the assembly lane, they always have goodies hidden under the hood, and just need a good coder to unlock the hidden features.
i wouldn't be surprised if it can be done, yet i wouldn't be disappointed even if it can not be done, but it's worth a try
either case we are slightly off topic here, we should open another topic to discuss about that possibility
so going back on topic about Note vs 7.7 ... i still have not yet made up my mind
i like them both the 7.7 is winning my vote for the larger size alone, but i still would prefer the features and specs of the note, but there's no point upgrading to the Note when i already have a SGS2
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so going back on topic about Note vs 7.7 ... i still have not yet made up my mind
i like them both the 7.7 is winning my vote for the larger size alone, but i still would prefer the features and specs of the note, but there's no point upgrading to the Note when i already have a SGS2
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I just recently updated my Note to its latest available firmware (LA4) to see what that would do, but honestly, it still feels VERY laggy compared to my 7.7
I mean, it's not so bad to the point that it isn't functional or anything like that, but still, for a 1.4ghz dual core? Come on... I blame Gingerbread. Can't wait to see what both devices are like once they get official ICS!
In the mean time, I think I'll probably be making a couple more videos on YouTube. I know I at least want to make a short video showing how well my cheapo velcro car mount for the 7.7 works! Maybe I'll make another short one comparing the Note and the 7.7 side by side so you all can see what I mean by the lag on the Note...
I am an enthusiast Note owner, grabbed one of the very first ones 10 months ago. It's simply the ONLY TRUE SMARTPHONE out there, NOTHING compares to it.
Although I am extremely satisfied by my Note I was obviously very interested in the Note II not because I was planning in upgrading anytime soon but because in time that was surely going to be my next smartphone.
Well, having just seen the actual specs I can say that I am (gladly BTW) going to wait for the Note III and if my Note gets stolen/lost before then I am going to buy a new NOTE "I" (yes, "one", as in the original version of the Note)!
The reason? Well the Note II is improved practically in everything, in some areas it's been even GREATLY improved, I really like it a lot. The problem is that the ONE thing they have not only NOT improved upon but actually made it WORSE (or, better said: less good) is the most critical one: the SCREEN!!
5.5" 16:9 vs. 5.3" 16:10 means that it has a very slightly bigger overall area BUT it's NARROWER so it's actually smaller in the most critical dimension of any wide screen!! WTF?!? Wide screens (looked in landscape) don't need any less "vertical" space, they are already plenty wide and what they all lack is vertical space/height when doing anything else but watching movies!!
It's the same phenomenon we have witnessed in PC monitors. We have gone from 4:3 to 16:10 (reasonable enough although I initially resisted the change and only gave up when I began to watch a lot of videos/movies on it) to 16:9 which is totally unnecessary and just F'ing stupid!! It just makes you having to always scroll even more!
As a matter of fact, I am going to cling to my 24" 16:10 Eizo for a long long time yet...
So, in short, I love practically everything about the Note II BUT its most critical thing: the screen.
I will pass.
P.S. Actually there is another aspect in which the Note I is better than this second version but it's totally subjective and it's a pretty unimportant aspect to me: the looks. It's not that I don't like the Note II, it's actually pretty good looking. But the Note I is, to me, much better looking.
Good for you bud. Anything else you wanted to say before thread gets closed?
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Good for you bud. Anything else you wanted to say before thread gets closed?
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If you imply that this is just one more of the several threads opened on the Note II, this one is supposed to focus on this one point: the most important spec of the Note, the screen, is WORSE on the Note II than on the original Note.
BTW, I started this thread especially because on the last thread I have been active on apparently I was going in too many details in my replies (i.e. my posts were "too long") and my last post was deleted.
I figured it's OK to be as much "long" (i.e. THOROUGH and EXHAUSTIVE) as I want on a thread where I am the OP.
If mods see it differently so be it, I guess I will become a lurker and be done with it.
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Good for you bud. Anything else you wanted to say before thread gets closed?
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lol..are you councelling him
Note 2 is not worth the upgrade imho as soon as we get jb cm10 will be excellent
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xdapao3 said:
I am an enthusiast Note owner, grabbed one of the very first ones 10 months ago. It's simply the ONLY TRUE SMARTPHONE out there, NOTHING compares to it.
Although I am extremely satisfied by my Note I was obviously very interested in the Note II not because I was planning in upgrading anytime soon but because in time that was surely going to be my next smartphone.
Well, having just seen the actual specs I can say that I am (gladly BTW) going to wait for the Note III and if my Note gets stolen/lost before then I am going to buy a new NOTE "I" (yes, "one", as in the original version of the Note)!
The reason? Well the Note II is improved practically in everything, in some areas it's been even GREATLY improved, I really like it a lot. The problem is that the ONE thing they have not only NOT improved upon but actually made it WORSE (or, better said: less good) is the most critical one: the SCREEN!!
5.5" 16:9 vs. 5.3" 16:10 means that it has a very slightly bigger overall area BUT it's NARROWER so it's actually smaller in the most critical dimension of any wide screen!! WTF?!? Wide screens (looked in landscape) don't need any less "vertical" space, they are already plenty wide and what they all lack is vertical space/height when doing anything else but watching movies!!
It's the same phenomenon we have witnessed in PC monitors. We have gone from 4:3 to 16:10 (reasonable enough although I initially resisted the change and only gave up when I began to watch a lot of videos/movies on it) to 16:9 which is totally unnecessary and just F'ing stupid!! It just makes you having to always scroll even more!
As a matter of fact, I am going to cling to my 24" 16:10 Eizo for a long long time yet...
So, in short, I love practically everything about the Note II BUT its most critical thing: the screen.
I will pass.
P.S. Actually there is another aspect in which the Note I is better than this second version but it's totally subjective and it's a pretty unimportant aspect to me: the looks. It's not that I don't like the Note II, it's actually pretty good looking. But the Note I is, to me, much better looking.
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I have to say I agree with you. 16:10 is always better than 16:9. The Note 1 has a higher pixel density and simply more pixels.
Um, you do realize that the screen is only 'less wide' by .09 inches?
You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but aren't you overreacting a bit?
I can't even imagine how you'd react to the iphone changing from 4:3 to 16:9.
- Frank
nandihno said:
Note 2 is not worth the upgrade imho as soon as we get jb cm10 will be excellent
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My thoughts exactly. I was almost hoping the Note II would be so good I would simply have to have it but in a way I am "relieved" it has this ONE fatal flaw... LOL :laugh:
Moandal said:
I have to say I agree with you. 16:10 is always better than 16:9. The Note 1 has a higher pixel density and simply more pixels.
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I don't care all that much for PPI, it's way overrated and it's good enough in both cases anyway. The issue is having to scroll even more than you have to now when using the screen in landscape doing anything else but watching movies... Browsing, documents reading (let alone editing..!) etc etc
P.S. Anyway, they did go from a Pentile matrix to an RGB one so it should actually be better notwithstanding the slightly lower PPI. As I said, the Note II really is better in EVERYTHING but screen size/aspect ratio! Crazy... :laugh:
ChodTheWacko said:
Um, you do realize that the screen is only 'less wide' by .09 inches?
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Of course, but the point is that not only they did NOT improve upon the Note's major draw (its big ass display), they actually made it (slightly) LESS appealing!!
(And all the while, ironically enough, making everything else better... :laugh: )
You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but aren't you overreacting a bit?
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I am just a bit disappointed, that's all.
The Note II is still the second best Smartphone in the world, to me..
Ok, jokes aside and expanding a little here: I will not upgrade to a Note II and I will replace my Note "I" with a Note "I" (if I was forced to before the Note II comes out) because I have tons of accessories for it and since its major draw has NOT been improved upon I would totally lack the motivation to discard the numerous and expensive accessories I have for the original Note and to buy the same ones for the new Note.
If I started today "from scratch" I would buy a Note II indeed...
The real point is that I don't see it as a compelling upgrade for any Note I owner.
I can't even imagine how you'd react to the iphone changing from 4:3 to 16:9.
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LOL, they can make that P.O.S. any aspect ratio they want, it would still be the same useless crap that it is, from both an HW and a SW standpoint :laugh:
xdapao3 said:
Of course, but the point is that not only they did NOT improve upon the Note's major draw (its big ass display), they actually made it (slightly) LESS appealing!!
(And all the while, ironically enough, making everything else better... :laugh: )
I am just a bit disappointed, that's all.
The Note II is still the second best Smartphone in the world, to me..
Ok, jokes aside and expanding a little here: I will not upgrade to a Note II and I will replace my Note "I" with a Note "I" (if I was forced to before the Note II comes out) because I have tons of accessories for it and since its major draw has NOT been improved upon I would totally lack the motivation to discard the numerous and expensive accessories I have for the original Note and to buy the same ones for the new Note.
If I started today "from scratch" I would buy a Note II indeed...
The real point is that I don't see it as a compelling upgrade for any Note I owner.
LOL, they can make that P.O.S. any aspect ratio they want, it would still be the same useless crap that it is, from both an HW and a SW standpoint :laugh:
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I think youre overreacting a bit. Like you, i saw the 1280x720 spec and was sorely disappointed. I also happen to be one of the lucky few who does not suffer from black clipping on my note. If i had the clipping, no amount of pixels would make me happy. We have yet to see if that issue has been solved. If it has, note ii is a worthy upgrade for many.
As for your apple hate, simmer down. Competition is good. I havent owned an apple product since i bought a 2nd gen ipod touch in 2007. But i still watch every keynote video. Apple may be for the masses but they occasionally do something revolutionary.
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ChodTheWacko said:
Um, you do realize that the screen is only 'less wide' by .09 inches?
You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but aren't you overreacting a bit?
I can't even imagine how you'd react to the iphone changing from 4:3 to 16:9.
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I think you're missing the point.
It's that the phone has lost 80 pixels (i.e., 1280x800 to 1280x720).
When you're browsing things, the extra pixels do matter so you can view more content on the screen.
16:10 > 16:9 anyday.
I think I'll actually prefer the 16:9 screen. Seems to be the standard now for high end androids anyway.
And isn't the screen pixel arrangement RGB instead of pentile on the Note II? Can't stand the whole 'pentile is rubbish' statements I see everywhere (as I love the screen on my Note), but I'm sure there's a noticeable visual improvement to the screen on the Note II.
I for one, am definitely upgrading.
I bummed about the screen also..I'll be honest I bought the Note for the screen plain and simple..
I use landscape a lot so any bit taken away from me I will definitely notice.
Got my 8.4.
What an amazing device.
KK is just awesome. Already rooted, everything runs fine.
Battery seems to last just slight longer than the 7.7 one. (...when it was new, that is)
The display on the 8.4 is very, VERY good for general use and photography (I am a keen advanced amateur, so all tablets of mine are carefully evaluated before buying under that specific requirement).
Unfortunately, it can not measure to the SuperAMOLED+ display on the 7.7 when it comes to movies and video. That darn display is just PERFECT for that particular use, on account of the contrast ratio. Seeing MKV files on the 7.7 is pure bliss.As such, I will keep the 7.7 docked to my AV set up for movies and such
Happy camper!
XK
XDAKhan said:
Got my 8.4.
What an amazing device.
KK is just awesome. Already rooted, everything runs fine.
Battery seems to last just slight longer than the 7.7 one. (...when it was new, that is)
The display on the 8.4 is very, VERY good for general use and photography (I am a keen advanced amateur, so all tablets of mine are carefully evaluated before buying under that specific requirement).
Unfortunately, it can not measure to the SuperAMOLED+ display on the 7.7 when it comes to movies and video. That darn display is just PERFECT for that particular use, on account of the contrast ratio. Seeing MKV files on the 7.7 is pure bliss.As such, I will keep the 7.7 docked to my AV set up for movies and such
Happy camper!
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Congrats. I just got mine today. Also have a 7.7..still the best Tab ever. How did you root your 8.4? I read some threads and so far not sure the correct process.. thanks a lot
I had the Toshiba AT270 which had the same 7.7" Super AMOLED+ display. Have to agree with you. It was an amazing display. The irony is, the Toshiba was a huge failure. You could get it as a couple of months ago through Toshiba.com for $220... (It was originally $500). Aluminum back, dock with HDMI, Tegra 3 etc, great tablet. No one bought it.
The Tab Pro definitely has an amazing screen but the AMOLED+ does render video better.
Of course, you get all the haters saying non AMOLED+ is so much better for everything else (usually the rabid Nexus 7 guys who are convinced that the N7 is the best tablet ever made despite it's limitations and numerous build flaws).
VeEuzUKY said:
Congrats. I just got mine today. Also have a 7.7..still the best Tab ever. How did you root your 8.4? I read some threads and so far not sure the correct process.. thanks a lot
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I followed this to the letter:
http://dom1n1k.blogspot.pt/2014/03/how-to-root-galaxy-tab-pro-84-lte-sm.html
My 8.4 was sourced from Germany.
Baseband version: T325XXU1ANB7
Build Number: KOT49H.T325XXU1ANB7
XK
RobilarOCN said:
I had the Toshiba AT270 which had the same 7.7" Super AMOLED+ display. Have to agree with you. It was an amazing display. The irony is, the Toshiba was a huge failure. You could get it as a couple of months ago through Toshiba.com for $220... (It was originally $500). Aluminum back, dock with HDMI, Tegra 3 etc, great tablet. No one bought it.
The Tab Pro definitely has an amazing screen but the AMOLED+ does render video better.
Of course, you get all the haters saying non AMOLED+ is so much better for everything else (usually the rabid Nexus 7 guys who are convinced that the N7 is the best tablet ever made despite it's limitations and numerous build flaws).
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Yes, quite the misconception since the SuperAMOLED+ is excellent or pretty good at everything. The only very minor nuisance with it is that, when working with my photographs, whose masters are in ProPhoto color space but the copies for web use (the ones I actually display on the 7.7) are in sRGB, I have to switch the screen color mode to "Natural" from the usual "Standard", as this last mode makes colors over-saturated.
In this regard, overall, I think I will be better off with less contrast but more accurate colors on the 8.4. Already saw several photos of mine in slide-show mode on the 8.4 and, boy, do they look darn good
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XDAKhan said:
I followed this to the letter:
http://dom1n1k.blogspot.pt/2014/03/how-to-root-galaxy-tab-pro-84-lte-sm.html
My 8.4 was sourced from Germany.
Baseband version: T325XXU1ANB7
Build Number: KOT49H.T325XXU1ANB7
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Thanks much!!! Doing it now
...but Samsung still really has a long way to go.
I can't believe that they actually throw white chargers and (mini) cables together with a black unit in the box of a 500EUR+ device that offers a black or white option.
I don't know if they're blindly trying to replicate what is probably the only bad taste option down at Apple or if they're just being cheap, in their own self-assertive way
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XDAKhan said:
...but Samsung still really has a long way to go.
I can't believe that they actually throw white chargers and (mini) cables together with a black unit in the box of a 500EUR+ device that offers a black or white option.
I don't know if they're blindly trying to replicate what is probably the only bad taste option down at Apple or if they're just being cheap, in their own self-assertive way
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That's odd. I have two of the Tab 3 - 8.0 models one white and one black. Each comes with a color appropriate charger. The charger for the Tab 3 is identical for the 8.4. I expect they probably had a surplus of white chargers.
Also, really does the color of the charger matter? I never gave it a thought until you mentioned it.
I have both the 8.4 pro and the 7.7 - will never sell the 7.7 even though I hardly use it anymore it basically runs on battery doing nothing for 15 days then I charge it again lol I have never really compared the screens although the screen on the 8.4 is outstanding
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XDAKhan said:
...but Samsung still really has a long way to go.
I can't believe that they actually throw white chargers and (mini) cables together with a black unit in the box of a 500EUR+ device that offers a black or white option.
I don't know if they're blindly trying to replicate what is probably the only bad taste option down at Apple or if they're just being cheap, in their own self-assertive way
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Times have changed. Samsung only cares about making money. Quality control is a thing of the past and whatever saves then a buck rules the day.
I too came from a 7.7 I still have it, and think the screen is amazing. I don't use it at all now, though. The 8.4 screen may not have the same 'pop' as the 7.7, but the clarity, speed and size make it hard for me to go back to the 7.7. The 8.4 is a great tab. It is strange that the 8.4 screen is only 'slightly' bigger, but it feels like the 7.7 screen is tiny by comparison.
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Also, really does the color of the charger matter? I never gave it a thought until you mentioned it.
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Does it "really" matter, of course not.
But it just aesthetically looks wrong to see the black tablet plugged into a white cord and charger. Like I have it plugged into something aftermarket, instead of the charger that came in the box.
I noticed it the second I opened the box, and was surprised to see the white charger and cable.
came from 7.7 also and super amoled on 7.7 is still much better when viewing movies and media but alas samsung didnt make a newer super amoled tablet but the 8.4 lte version mostly make up for it with a befier cpu / ram and a bigger screen which i like )
Please use this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2647580
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