Currently we only have one kernel port from S3 and 3 decent roms after one month of the release.
Do you know if anyother developer like siyah or franco are going to make kernels for our device? It is a shame to don't have it
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Currently we only have one kernel port from S3 and 3 decent roms after one month of the release.
Do you know if anyother developer like siyah or franco are going to make kernels for our device? It is a shame to don't have it
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Gokhan wont develop kernels for note 2, he develops only for phones which he has. Franco has made a lot of kernels for different phones and he doesnt have time. He started development for note 1 but later it was abandoned, with s3 updates was pretty slow comparing with siyah and andreilux kernels. For me stock kernel rooted+stock firmware the best. Amazing performance+battery life
The reason for the "poor" development for the Note 2 is:
It's great, Never before i had an Android-Phone better than this, Very good work by Samsung-Engineers.
It's super fast, smooth, stable and batterylife is extraordinary good.
So, what to improve by the developers?
Customizing with Themes is OK in my eyes. The performance of the Note 2 is outstanding even with Stock-Firmware. No need for Custom Kernel / Rom.
regards
Exactly. There is nothing to develop in an already developed thing.
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There is no documentation or source codes for Exynos devices. Not forgetting that it's a young device. There's a petition for Samsung to release the information, but being proprietary SoC's they don't have to release anything.
A quick google would answer your questions.
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hurricane3d said:
The reason for the "poor" development for the Note 2 is:
It's great, Never before i had an Android-Phone better than this, Very good work by Samsung-Engineers.
It's super fast, smooth, stable and batterylife is extraordinary good.
So, what to improve by the developers?
Customizing with Themes is OK in my eyes. The performance of the Note 2 is outstanding even with Stock-Firmware. No need for Custom Kernel / Rom.
regards
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You do know what XDA is about right?
jujuburi said:
Exactly. There is nothing to develop in an already developed thing.
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Garbage.
Suicidal Chicken said:
There is no documentation or source codes for Exynos devices. Not forgetting that it's a young device. There's a petition for Samsung to release the information, but being proprietary SoC's they don't have to release anything.
A quick google would answer your questions.
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Bingo.
I'm ok to say the note 2 is already perfect but this device need a dpi per app in the samsung firmware.
Why you don't develop then?
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I really wish, but I can't...
Suicidal Chicken said:
There is no documentation or source codes for Exynos devices. Not forgetting that it's a young device. There's a petition for Samsung to release the information, but being proprietary SoC's they don't have to release anything.
A quick google would answer your questions.
Sent from my Galaxy Note 2 through the Space Time Continuum
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Is this what you're talking about?
"Developers, start your ROM engines! In what is sure to be a boon to the rooted communities for the popular Galaxy Note 2 and the international version of the Galasy S III, Samsung tweeted earlier today that we should "expect full availability of integrated source code for #Exynos 4 family of processors on OrigenBoard by the end of 2012!"
http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/article...nos-4-series-source-code-by-end-of-2012-r1203
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Is this what you're talking about?
"Developers, start your ROM engines! In what is sure to be a boon to the rooted communities for the popular Galaxy Note 2 and the international version of the Galasy S III, Samsung tweeted earlier today that we should "expect full availability of integrated source code for #Exynos 4 family of processors on OrigenBoard by the end of 2012!"
http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/article...nos-4-series-source-code-by-end-of-2012-r1203
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cough *broken source code* cough
Poor Development
May be Note II model has still not landed in the hands of the potential developers. Development may take off in the very near future.
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Garbage.
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What is? Stop being a smarta$$! Anyone is entitled to his/her own opinion, and imo in this case I was right.
And what's xda about? It's for so called 'development' for those devices which are basically crap. But no one gives a damn about development for Note 2.
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What is? Stop being a smarta$$! Anyone is entitled to his/her own opinion, and imo in this case I was right.
And what's xda about? It's for so called 'development' for those devices which are basically crap. But no one gives a damn about development for Note 2.
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You're entitled to have your own opinion, but this is not about opinion, it's about facts; and your facts are dead wrong.
"It's for so called 'development' for those devices which are basically crap"
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So you're saying that every single Android device out there is crap?
"But no one gives a damn about development for Note 2."
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You do realize that the Note 2 just got released right?
I'm not sure why you are here at all. You do know that XDA is a DEVELOPMENT forum right? If you're not interested in modifying and development, then why are you here?
I was a bit gutted with so few roms out. I pick up my phone in the morning, was gonna tweak and flash tomorrow night.
But after a little though, do I need to? I've not even got it yet. I just wana flash and tweak out of habit. And it's only been out weeks.
I love the resurection rom on my s2, I like the UI. But I was runiing Wanam lite before that and it was good rom, I liked the layout. I'll give it a few weeks, see how it feels, but I'm quite happy that a developer (Wanam) I've used before is up and running on the note 2. It won't have as many developers as the s2 or s3, but I expect more will come.
Xda hasn't let me down yet, alomst six years in,
I have faith that XDA will help me tweak and flash when I need new features.
Thanks to all the devs, on all the phones, especially the note 2 though
Why are U here?
Forums require a few basic social skills and your about junior high level.
Be a big boy and start responding without bring rude.
QUOTE=LordManhattan;33438033]You're entitled to have your own opinion, but this is not about opinion, it's about facts; and your facts are dead wrong.
So you're saying that every single Android device out there is crap?
You do realize that the Note 2 just got released right?
I'm not sure why you are here at all. You do know that XDA is a DEVELOPMENT forum right? If you're not interested in modifying and development, then why are you here?[/QUOTE]
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I pretty much agree....as much as I've loved modding over the years, this device leaves me with the least amount of motivation to tweak it whatsoever. No need for battery saving mods. If your a themefreak well then yeah, I'm not.
CM to me for this device dumbs it down (this from a longtime CM'er)...doesn't bring anything speed wise, and the Samsung Note features are just too cool to forego...(for me)atures
Kernel options are a mute point tho I do enjoy overclocking at times.
Mod's like multitasking unlimited apps are great (for me).
Developing a per app adjustable dpi would be great actually, but not going aosp to do it.
Lotta other minor stuff I could list but, hey....I never thought I'd say it but hats off to Samsung for releasing the first device I've ever been .satisfied with out of the box .
I had Galaxy Note before and many renowned developers there are getting Note 2 before the end of this year and probably we will see boom in developement when those developers get Note2.... among those is is g.lewarne the creator of Hydracore kernels which made Note 1 fly like anything.
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Jelly Bean TW Miui with all S pen functionalites and tricks of Samsung will take Note 2 to another level.
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Jelly Bean TW Miui with all S pen functionalites and tricks of Samsung will take Note 2 to another level.
if it ain't broke don't fix it. I had a galaxy nexus before but at this point I am fully content with the stock device, not even rooted. I feel that since Jelly Bean custom stuff as become less interesting. Installing custom stuff is becoming more a hobby than a requirement.
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if it ain't broke don't fix it. I had a galaxy nexus before but at this point I am fully content with the stock device, not even rooted. I feel that since Jelly Bean custom stuff as become less interesting. Installing custom stuff is becoming more a hobby than a requirement.
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+1 you are absolutly right.:good:
LordManhattan said:
You're entitled to have your own opinion, but this is not about opinion, it's about facts; and your facts are dead wrong.
So you're saying that every single Android device out there is crap?
You do realize that the Note 2 just got released right?
I'm not sure why you are here at all. You do know that XDA is a DEVELOPMENT forum right? If you're not interested in modifying and development, then why are you here?
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I really don't reply to 'these' meaningless comments but still I'm doing as I've nothing better to do atm.
Why I am here? Well that ain't your business. So get over with it.
I'm saying every Android device is crap? I'll donate you 10000$ if you can find that in my post.
Still I'm saying, yes, not every device is S2, S3, OX or Note 2, and just because God gifted me with plenty of money doesn't mean everyone could purchase these high end toys. There are PLENTY mid and low range Droid exists, and your so called 'development' theory applied to 'those' devices, NOT by any means to the top guns like I mentioned above.
Do you realize Note 2 just got released right? Yes, I do. And frankly, I'm so happy that there isn't much needless stuffs going on in the so called 'development' section, more 'development' means more freaks and kids and it's a damn disgrace for any forum.
In the end, I paid 700 $ to Samsung and they gave me a beautiful device ( Yes, some glitches are there of course, but where doesn't? ) and that's all I care about. I don't want a half baked overhyped crap on my lovely phone, and I like Apple products more than a hormone crazed flashoholic. (No disrespect meant to Apple). Still, some great persons are here, like Chainfire, Hardcore, Supercurio etc, who are attracting persons like me to surf this forum now and then, but the number is few, very few.
One more thing, don't take this forum as your personal property, you are just another user like me with more thanks metre and a pesky tag, things mean the least to me.
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As we all have heard, sadly, ICS will not be available through Samsung because of the lack of memory available in the SGS to run Touchwiz.
However the community isn't happy, XDA will probably find a way to get ICS on your SGS.
If you feel you should complain about the lack of ICS on your device, you may do so in this thread. However, other threads about the subject will be closed / deleted, since one thread should suffice.
Consider this a warning too; We strive to keeping the forum clean, and if anyone ignores this, disciplinary action will be taken.
Edit: petition url added here: http://www.change.org/petitions/www...ndwich-version-for-users-of-the-samsung-i9000 Thanks Telep!
Edit2: Samsung might be rethinking this strategy: http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/27/2663320/samsung-galaxy-s-and-galaxy-tab-ics-upgrade-review Hurray!
What was wrong with the last thread?
Anyway, this is kind of a bummer. Shows that 18 month program was a whole load of hot air.
Also, the claim that Touchwiz won't run on top of ICS is trash. I wonder if the leaked S2 version can be ported. Perhaps making our own "official" rom could be quite effective way of getting them to buck their ideas up?
EDIT: Actually, the 18 months was after the S was released and the S has been out of 18 months already (Wow time flies), so point is void.
no need for that with TW, Google's stock is better
ICS ports here working better than Samsung's stock roms
I've signed all online petitions, but I'll be happy if they just release AOSP Compatible Drivers for all the components of our phone.
Maybe we should spam Google, asking them to tell Samsung to release drivers at least.
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gracias a la XDA genius developers
OK, I am complaining ,give us a ICS ROM.
what bout S+? i feel cheated. at least SGS gets 2 majot updates. S+ didn't even recieve any major updates! this will be my last samsucks phone. at least sony is loyal to their customers. even xperia play which has the same specs as S+ is getting ICS WTF! screw u samsung
They can make lightweight ROM, with possibility to download additional crapwizz apps and widgets from samsung apps.
To moderator: u can add the petition site. Last i saw there was 7300 sign. it must get more
Here you go
http://www.change.org/petitions/www...ndwich-version-for-users-of-the-samsung-i9000
So awful, I want official ICS
Not a complaint more an observation...
It's all well and good complaining but think of it this way, The majority of users don't know about ICS and don't care. They use it because it works fine, Samsung have dropped it not cause it's a bad phone but because it's a business practice that is used every day.
Just because it sold 10, 20 or 30 million units doesn't mean they'll continue to support as people will drop this phone when they contract is up which if bought at the start only have to put up with it for a few months more before getting an upgrade anyway.
Why should Samsung continue to develop for a phone that is starting to age in hardware compared to the newer flagships? Sure the Xperia Neo is getting it because it was released this year so it makes sense to.
Now I can understand to the i9003 and i9001 users having only been out this year but i9000 is different.
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Not a complaint more an observation...
It's all well and good complaining but think of it this way, The majority of users don't know about ICS and don't care. They use it because it works fine, Samsung have dropped it not cause it's a bad phone but because it's a business practice that is used every day.
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Just small addition: MINORITY, who even will notice lack of new OS, is able to go here and complain, so same effort would be required to have ICS thanks to work of the devs here.
Its an "old" phone, but a very good one, that's why we have devs la Onecosmic, doing amazing things to port ICS to those of us who still use the Great SGS I9000
That's not an old phone. I'm just 20 and my phone is 1.5 years old. Support your baby samsung.
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This phone is really similar to the Nexus S from same CPU, RAM, GPU, screen etc.... So there shouldn't be too many kernel address mismatches either.....
Either way, Sammy should remove some bloatware and touchwiz to make room for ICS to fit inside of SGS's system partition. That's pretty much it
P.S. Samsung signed "android alliance" to provide updates for it's handset for at least 18 months after first release. They will have to provide updates for new android releases until April fools.
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burakgon said:
That's not an old phone. I'm just 20 and my phone is 1.5 years old. Support your baby samsung.
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technology is considered old when a successor comes into the market. Right now, SGS2 is also considered old as SGS3 is due very soon
sgs should get ICS - after all this phone shook the entire mobile industry !
I hope they release it. I have removed RFS and now the phone is OK and i plan on keeping it until SGS3 at least. So basically ICS will be great if i can has it
if no ICS for Galaxy S, then Galaxy S is the last bought from Samsung.
It s a great device but Samsung doesnt deserve customer loyalty
Samsung will not deliver justified update no matter what! That's why I've exchanged my SGS for Nexus S and from now on will only upgrade on Googlephones!
Samsung has said few days ago, that he would not update Galaxy S due to lack of memory for ICS and Touchwiz altogether. Today, there's a new info from our 'favourite' brand:
In spite of Samsung's best efforts to bury the news by reporting it a couple of days before Christmas, Friday's disclosure that the Galaxy S and Galaxy Tab won't get upgraded to Android 4.0 drew a lot of justified ire. Now the company seems to be backtracking like a champ, as reported by ajnews in Korea, by claiming that it will review the viability of updating those two devices in response to strong customer demand. While restating the difficulties of fitting its entire software footprint onto the Galaxy S and Tab's limited memory capacity, Samsung has been quoted as saying it'll investigate ways to try and make it work. We've reached out to Samsung for official comment on the matter and will update you as soon as we hear back.
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via TheVerge.
goorek said:
Samsung has said few days ago, that he would not update Galaxy S due to lack of memory for ICS and Touchwiz altogether. Today, there's a new info from our 'favourite' brand:
via TheVerge.
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So? I dont care....theres will be more custom rom for it...
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good news ..!!! I hope we will get it.
i dont care either, samsung cant make a good smooth rom for galaxy s+ at all,
custom roms are always the best choice for us,
ics 4.0 will be ported to galaxy s+ sooner or later but one thing is clear, ported 4.0 especialy for galaxy s+ will be well optimized,smooth and fast and low memory issue will be solved
support our gr8 dev.team
regards
I know that, but for now on there isn't many custom roms for us. broodROM and Cranium, and the newest stock ones to flash. I appreciate their work, but they are based on the stock ones. and with ICS, that's a different thing to port it. and unfortuantely, I haven't seen much of a chance for the CyanogenMod or smth like this with ICS for our S+ yet. hope it will change.
c'mon guys. don't say u don't care. when samsung has decided not to release ICS for us you guys were complaining, now that samsung is reconsidering, you guys said i don't care?? yea right..
no matter we have custom rom or not, I would love to try out the official ICS.
and like the above mention, our dev is so poor that till this date there is so little choice of rom. how can u be so sure there would be ICS port for us? and if that didn't happen, u guys will be complaining again saying samsung is bad bla bla..
just be greatful jezz
I think it will be awesome!!
i saw only galaxy s and tab, why you are thinking that s+ is included into this list?
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i saw only galaxy s and tab, why you are thinking that s+ is included into this list?
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Galaxy s has few type of models, not only i9000..
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they never mention anything about i9001, this phone is like forgotten, in both Samsung and devs world. I just hope that when they mention Galaxy S, they think also about S+.
well guys.
my opinion is a little bit splitted:
in the one hand, i have my phone since september and i read the forum carefully and at this time the forum was very dad, the wasn´t a root anyway!
in the other hand:
our phone is getting very big. here in europe it is selling very good, because you can buy it with the price of the i9000 and it is better then the i9000.
i think it will grow but it will take alot of time, maybe we will reach at march a respectable community....
but only maybe
if all goes wrong we will stuck on only to custom roms...
i think we have to drink our tea and just wait.....
sry for my perfect english
greetings fabsau
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well guys.
my opinion is a little bit splitted:
in the one hand, i have my phone since september and i read the forum carefully and at this time the forum was very dad, the wasn´t a root anyway!
in the other hand:
our phone is getting very big. here in europe it is selling very good, because you can buy it with the price of the i9000 and it is better then the i9000.
i think it will grow but it will take alot of time, maybe we will reach at march a respectable community....
but only maybe
if all goes wrong we will stuck on only to custom roms...
i think we have to drink our tea and just wait.....
sry for my perfect english
greetings fabsau
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another non dev thread in the dev section.. nways, i heard the chinese community is big and that the I9001 is a very popular model there , and that they do a lot of developing on their own forums, hopefully that work will make it's way to xda sooner or later.
It shows that people much power is just great, but also continue to work hard.
This is great news!!!
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ICS porting
I think we have no devs here that can do what others done....ICS porting.
We are the only ones that are not trying or we dont have any idea about porting.....It realy hurts me to see such websites saying all android devices have ICS and we dont.....OK here check this site and say what you have to say........ http://software2tech.com/2011/11/30/android-4-0-devices-list/
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I think we have no devs here that can do what others done....ICS porting.
We are the only ones that are not trying or we dont have any idea about porting.....It realy hurts me to see such websites saying all android devices have ICS and we dont.....OK here check this site and say what you have to say........ http://software2tech.com/2011/11/30/android-4-0-devices-list/
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we can make use of other ports, like those from DHD/Xperia Arc S/I9000 , combining stuff from those 3 builds i'm pretty sure we can get a booting version with main things working. Devs from other devices have really done a lot, we just need some1 with the guts and basic knowledge to put things up together.
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we can make use of other ports, like those from DHD/Xperia Arc S/I9000 , combining stuff from those 3 builds i'm pretty sure we can get a booting version with main things working. Devs from other devices have really done a lot, we just need some1 with the guts and basic knowledge to put things up together.
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i belive there are few already
all we need is wait, the result will be here sooner or later,
on official list galaxy s+ i belive is on the bottom of samsung devices so our hope leading to gr8 developers here on xda.
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I think we have no devs here that can do what others done....ICS porting.
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The main thing we are stuck is that this phone is totally forgotten. Except in China. No one is interested to develop anything for such piece of a device. There would be so useless number of users for those roms and mods.
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The main thing we are stuck is that this phone is totally forgotten. Except in China. No one is interested to develop anything for such piece of a device. There would be so useless number of users for those roms and mods.
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how can we get those Chinese guys to xda then ?
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how can we get those Chinese guys to xda then ?
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That's a problem as most of them don't speak english. Not offended or anything Post based on my own experience.
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I found something interesting on that Chinese I9001 forum. So it seems some students are trying to gather a group of developers. And the magical "4.0" seems to appear every now and then. Let's wait and see what will come The following text is not written by me. Google translator did the job.
"Here so long, no contribution has been in the water looking for fish Isle of Man, today, to drilled soil, that is to say that before in Saipan who worked with the community, did Moman's system, then go when, unexpectedly there confused the radical, then I heard, the day Moman inception, the hottest day, Oh, just get the points on the QQ stuff like that (because of bad mood, so hit wherever he goes, Oh, a joke) Now with my own 9001, so 4.0 Andrews also decided to get a working group, ad right Okay, we are using 4.0 and it was not previously Moman Nokia to lose, the community can be raised (of course from the master who does not open, right?) "
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I found something interesting on that Chinese I9001 forum. So it seems some students are trying to gather a group of developers. And the magical "4.0" seems to appear every now and then. Let's wait and see what will come The following text is not written by me. Google translator did the job.
"Here so long, no contribution has been in the water looking for fish Isle of Man, today, to drilled soil, that is to say that before in Saipan who worked with the community, did Moman's system, then go when, unexpectedly there confused the radical, then I heard, the day Moman inception, the hottest day, Oh, just get the points on the QQ stuff like that (because of bad mood, so hit wherever he goes, Oh, a joke) Now with my own 9001, so 4.0 Andrews also decided to get a working group, ad right Okay, we are using 4.0 and it was not previously Moman Nokia to lose, the community can be raised (of course from the master who does not open, right?) "
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Also found very interesting ROM made by the chinese http://translate.googleusercontent....1.html&usg=ALkJrhgrcANptLPgNgsL4x0zg0EJ6TYeew
This is the unofficial thread to find the list of developers for the Samsung Galaxy Note II.
If you are a developer and or ROM maker/cooker would like to confirm that you are going to dev on this device please send me a pm, and I will add you to the list. In past experiences these types of threads have shown to be very helpful to build dev support for a device, and also to help people decide on a device.
What, actually is the list for?
Basically its for people and devs to see all the dev support the device will have. This sometimes is the deciding factor for getting a phone. If there's huge dev support more people will come. This makes it easier for people to find information on what devs will be supporting the note 2.
To pm me and get added to the list Click Here.
Let's make this Galaxy Note II community awesome!
Confirmed Developers
1.Utacka
2.thering1975
3.DakiX
4.::indie::
5.m3dd0g
6.Crash 1976
7.g.lewarne
8.toxicthunder
9.awesomehacker
10.KashaMalaga
11.-Viperboy-
12.lennyuk
13.Dexter_nlb
14.DocRambone
15.imilka
16.f3w1n
17.kristofpetho
18.mike1986.
19.Stavr0s91i
20.wanam
21.xator91
22.Beukhof1
23.ptmr3
24.Anas M.I
25.cpu999
26.AndreiLux
27.Chainfire
28.Patrics83
29.Chenglu
30.bigbiff
Hi,
Thanks for starting this thread. I just want to ask "Do you think there be a lot of development for this phone?" Particularly for Note II, in general for future Samsung phones.
I just finished watching this video here or here and I just heard about some developers leaving Samsung altogether? Samsung locking bootloaders? Samsung getting too big for their own ego?
I currently own the Int'l N7000 and I found the development to be good for what I want. I didn't check out the i717 thread but I assume they are fair.
I'm not really experienced in rooting but I found Samsung Note to be fairly straight forward. I recently rooted an HTC Amaze 4G and the numerous steps plus the lack of info made me never to buy an HTC phone (even if I do like the HTC One X, my friend has the North American version and he said development is low there).
This is one reason why I'm holding out on the Note II until Feb 2013, maybe even Sept 2013 (in case Note 3) comes out because I want to see how the development plays out.
I know the phone just came out, but I assumed International Note development should be all hunky dory but I never know. Makes me not want to switch devices. I had an Int'l Galaxy S2 previously and development for that is great!
I hear Sony development is awesome. But then, I think I'll just go get a Nexus for ease of development (but the screen is so small!)
What do you guys think?
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Confirmed Developers
1.Utacka
2.thering1975
3.DakiX
4.::indie::
5........
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thanks leafsacc, I wasn't aware of this until now. I'm still not sure what's going on but I assumed there would be a way around a bootloader, as coders always find a way :highfive:
but reading the below, says it could have been verizon which was the cause of the bootloader, not samsung. so why is xdadevtv directing his video to samsung? is it because no open source was given for the s3? has it still not been released? will it be? anyone care to sum it up for some of us who aren't in the know? :>
Based on Samsung’s track record of always shipping devices with unlocked bootloaders, we can all safely deduce that Verizon is the one to blame here.
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For starters cm will not support n7100 if samsung dont change their ways. atleast the current dev team in cm will not support newer samsung exynos devices. i9300/n80xx was the last. Only way to get n7100 supported is if samsung cooperate or a new dev join cm dev team.
Without cm support i cannot do my paranoidandroid from source as I do with n7000. Time will tell if some new dev join cm samsung team or samsung get their act together. Dont look good though.
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For starters cm will not support n7100 if samsung dont change their ways. atleast the current dev team in cm will not support newer samsung exynos devices. i9300/n80xx was the last. Only way to get n7100 supported is if samsung cooperate or a new dev join cm dev team.
Without cm support i cannot do my paranoidandroid from source as I do with n7000. Time will tell if some new dev join cm samsung team or samsung get their act together. Dont look good though.
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Whoops not good news :crying: i need also sources...
Well I don't get it because it is sharing most of the hardware with S3 so the stuff should be at least ported easily.
Now I understand Samsung being a complete ass with their proprietary drivers
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Well I don't get it because it is sharing most of the hardware with S3 so the stuff should be at least ported easily.
Now I understand Samsung being a complete ass with their proprietary drivers
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You still need one of the dev maintaining exynos devices to buy n7100 and then maintaining it... we can hope for someone to step up but its their freetime and money. Entropy512 told me he would be buying at&t version which is nearly identical if samsung would change their behavior. All we can do for now is to sit and wait...
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Hi guys, my ROM is finally finished and now uploaded at 89%.
I need a tester! My Note 2 has not arrived yet
Please write via PM.
You forgot chainfire..
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This is a great thread. I hope more chefs will chime in.
I am considering a Note II but it is absolutely vital that CM is developed for it, together with Paranoid Android. Especially since Key Lime Pie (CM11?) is be around the corner.
I also think it is important with AOSP/AOKP development for it.
So I hope the issue will be sorted during this month. If not, I am afraid that I have to consider a different game plan.
Buying a device without proper developer support is a no go for me.
For everyone woundering about my sources here is a statement from Entropy512:
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Not likely to happen. If CM comes to the Note 2, it will only be if a new maintainer steps up.
Most of the current Exynos maintainer team (myself, espenfjo, codeworkx) and others have all decided that our current devices will be our last non-Nexus Exynos devices. I'm not sure about xplodwild, but I have a feeling he's highly unlikely to take up another Haxxinos with the rest of us gone and given his prior experiences with it.
If Samsung changes their attitude towards developers, this might change, but their attitude lately (zero documentation, zero platform source code, a trend towards bootloader locking - Only the Verizon S3 has a locked bootloader now, but Samsung has had the infrastructure in place since the S2 and they are constantly adding more checks) has led to the current Exynos maintainer team deciding that enough is enough. I don't think any of us are going to do anything to make Samsung's Exynos devices more attractive to any particular market segment until they provide assistance (in the form of technical documentation and source code) in return. I don't know about the others, but if they offer me a free device I'll say no - I refuse to participate in a PR stunt like the I9100 donations were.
Pretty much the only way I'll go back is if I see reference platform source that is up to the same standards as CAF and omapzoom, or they actually start providing real documentation and source code for the devices I'm currently working with.
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Thanks entwicklun,
I Googled "verizon locked bootloader samsung galaxy note" and from what I understand that it was Verizon's request to lock the bootloader. Not sure what I would do if I was Samsung but my guess is, if it helps sell more phones on Verizon then lock the boot loader. Money talks, right?
But then I'm hearing news about Samsung not giving developers this and that, just like the example below.
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Well I don't get it because it is sharing most of the hardware with S3 so the stuff should be at least ported easily.
Now I understand Samsung being a complete ass with their proprietary drivers
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And I also need a phone that will have Paranoid Android (and the odd CM here and there), but it must also a 5" phablet. I guess there is nothing wrong with my current Note, but again by searching on Google there's a possibility that the "next big thing" might be the HTC Google Nexus X+. If that has an expansion card slot, that's it, I'm not getting the Note 2.
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This is a great thread. I hope more chefs will chime in.
I am considering a Note II but it is absolutely vital that CM is developed for it, together with Paranoid Android. Especially since Key Lime Pie (CM11?) is be around the corner.
I also think it is important with AOSP/AOKP development for it.
So I hope the issue will be sorted during this month. If not, I am afraid that I have to consider a different game plan.
Buying a device without proper developer support is a no go for me.
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Thanks for all the work the dev's put in. I'm just saying, my next phone is where the developers are. Samsung doesn't own us. :laugh:
I'll be here when I get my note2 in December
For those that don't know, TW ROM, aokp and multi booting kernel (or at least 2 sesperate kernels )
Myself and utaka could probably come up with a aosp supporting kernel for the device if official CM does not materialise.
Crash Rom will be here to
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cheers, I'm sure those browsing like me will know what's up now.
I've already ordered my note 2, but I would fully support the dev crew. even if that means selling my note 2 at a loss and buying what's being developed, pending though. I do like phablets and if the x+ doesn't have an exspansion slot then I probably wouldn't buy it.
I also hope aokp devs on the note 2. I certainly love their ROMS
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Samsung getting too big for their own ego?
I currently own the Int'l N7000 and I found the development to be good for what I want. But then, I think I'll just go get a Nexus for ease of development (but the screen is so small!)
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I'll be here when I get my note2 in December
For those that don't know, TW ROM, aokp and multi booting kernel (or at least 2 sesperate kernels )
Myself and utaka could probably come up with a aosp supporting kernel for the device if official CM does not materialise.
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Are noobs like me allowed to jump in please?
Utacka sir is so kind to us all in his PA thread
Anyways, I think devving for this device would initially start with kanged TW based ROMs. With CM wary on supporting the device, it does seem a bit dark but hey, I am sure there are others to step up.
But then again, you can never be too sure.
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BTW, next nexus device is perhaps open to all OEMs.
Might be an Optimus from LG but from what I've read other manufactures are welcome to jump in and join the party.
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I am the same, an expansion card slot is a big plus.
development support is also a big factor.
I would flash aokp right now but i'm so scared of emmc bug (which I assume will not be in the Note 2 just like it did not exist in GB ROM Notes. But who knows if "Key Lime Pie/Kandy Kane" might have a similar brick bug) on ICS kangs that I just stay far, far, away.
My ultimate fav is CassiesXtraLite so it's good to see thering1975 on the list.
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I do like phablets and if the x+ doesn't have an exspansion slot then I probably wouldn't buy it.
I also hope aokp devs on the note 2. I certainly love their ROMS
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I might bring VillainRom to the Note2, but only if/when we can get our OTA update/optional mods app up and running to a high enough standard.
Would be nice to know for wich model is going to work each developer.
- f3w1n -
Do all these new sensors and proprietary software (camera features, gesture features, etc) make it more difficult to develop customs ROMs for the gs4? Or will we just get ROMs that don't use all these new features and sensors
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take a look at i9300 sgs3 development section,
then come back here with your findings
If it's anything like the Note 2 you will loss any Samsung tweaks if you go with a non-touchwiz Rom. Even GPS and bluetooth is a little hairy on Aosp or cyanogenmod Roms. But each phone/team working on the Rom is different. I'm actually sticking with a custom touchwiz Rom because I need the reliability for a business trip this upcoming week.
And it will be extreme luck if the IR sensor works without Samsung's framework. The IR port is the one thing I've been dying for to make a come back. I would actually pay $20 for a fully programmable IR app that has the same functionality of one of those expensive Logitech models.
The development scene for Samsung phones has been huge and vibrant. Samsung is nice about keeping things unlocked and releasing source code, and while it may take time for AOSP/CM/AOKP ROM's to be fully functional and stable the S4 will have plenty of custom ROM's in its future.
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The development scene for Samsung phones has been huge and vibrant. Samsung is nice about keeping things unlocked and releasing source code, and while it may take time for AOSP/CM/AOKP ROM's to be fully functional and stable the S4 will have plenty of custom ROM's in its future.
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I have no doubt that the S4 will get AOSP/CM/AOKP roms but the OP question was about the sensors. You got temp sensor, IR sensor, hover with finger sensor, and some of the camera tweaks. I don't think those Roms will have the sensor fully functionals. That's the issue I have right now on my Note 2. I love the cleanness of a stock Android Rom but I miss it when a note automatically pops up when the s-pen is removed. And battery life on touchwiz Roms appear to be better. These are choices we're going to have to make.
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...I miss it when a note automatically pops up when the s-pen is removed...
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that entirely part of the launcher and TouchWiz apps rather than the ROM?
Piaband said:
Do all these new sensors and proprietary software (camera features, gesture features, etc) make it more difficult to develop customs ROMs for the gs4? Or will we just get ROMs that don't use all these new features and sensors
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I assure you it will be huge and vibrant, for now....
Wait 1 year later.
S3 & Note 2 users will now experience what S2 and Note users experienced for the past year. Total nightmare and hell.
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I have no doubt that the S4 will get AOSP/CM/AOKP roms but the OP question was about the sensors. You got temp sensor, IR sensor, hover with finger sensor, and some of the camera tweaks. I don't think those Roms will have the sensor fully functionals. That's the issue I have right now on my Note 2. I love the cleanness of a stock Android Rom but I miss it when a note automatically pops up when the s-pen is removed. And battery life on touchwiz Roms appear to be better. These are choices we're going to have to make.
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You hit the nail on the head my friend. I am looking to run stock android jelly bean on my next device.
I had a nexus s for my first android phone and I took it for granted how amazingly easy it was to flash not only roms but radios, kernels, basically anything. And I just love stock android.
I am now on an HTC rezound. While I do like it, I sorely miss stock android and flashing away at will. Already had quite a few flashing mishaps.
If I am forced to run touchwiz to use all these new features, then I'm not going to pay attention to the features when choosing my next device.
This wouldn't even be an issue if the LG nexus was released on Verizon.
Ugh, looks like I'm still waiting.
Rezound, s-off, loving it.
Livebyte said:
I assure you it will be huge and vibrant, for now....
Wait 1 year later.
S3 & Note 2 users will now experience what S2 and Note users experienced for the past year. Total nightmare and hell.
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Explain?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that entirely part of the launcher and TouchWiz apps rather than the ROM?
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Actually it depends on the feature.. Some of the features see baked into the framework apk others have individual apps... None of them are launcher dependent.. However all of these together make a ROM.. So I don't know you are referring to??
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Explain?
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He means all the devs will fly in droves to the new flagship device leaving the flagship devices of last year stranded..
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Explain?
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Most experienced developers are leaving Samsung for manufacturers that don't treat them like **** (see the Superbrick fiasco), leaving only the "me-too" smali-hack-kangs and a very small number of experienced competent developers like Andrei.
Quality, not quantity - most of the stuff in the I9100 and I9300 forums is crap, people who took a Touchwizz base, themed it, made some build.prop hacks, and called it a whole new firmware package. They're lucky in that Touchwizz is so bad that it's easy to improve upon it.
Compare to, for example, the Xperia T where there are 5-10 or more developers all contributing as a team to something that only has two threads (One for CM10, one for CM10.1) There aren't many people working with Sony stock firmwares because, honestly, it's REALLY hard to improve upon them because they're so good to begin with. Most of the few things that can be improved are achievable with simple TiBu freezes, no smali hacking required.
I think it'll make AOSP (CM/AOKP) hard to develop but there super people! I'm sure they'll figure it out and help!
However Touchwiz ROM's could be pulled and edited! We won't lose any features/it won't be hard.
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I think it'll make AOSP (CM/AOKP) hard to develop but there super people! I'm sure they'll figure it out and help!
However Touchwiz ROM's could be pulled and edited! We won't lose any features/it won't be hard.
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Project Butter in Exynos 4210 devices (eg. Note & S2) is still broken until today and will never be solved.
A technically inferior Galaxy Nexus is superior to the Note. Take that for a change.
You have no idea how frustrated and angry are we people targeting Samsung in the Note & S2 forums.
I swore never to buy anymore Exynos devices after this fiasco.
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Project Butter in Exynos 4210 devices (eg. Note & S2) is still broken until today and will never be solved.
A technically inferior Galaxy Nexus is superior to the Note. Take that for a change.
You have no idea how frustrated and angry are we people targeting Samsung in the Note & S2 forums.
I swore never to buy anymore Exynos devices after this fiasco.
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And the S3 community, count it in. We're fed up with all those broken promises too.
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Only for developers that want to wipe Samsung off the phone. Which I don't understand since most of the new hardware features require drivers Samsung rightfully will not release. For the longest time and to this day you could not get the FM radio to work on CM without buying a $10 Spirit radio app.
I'm sure there will be plenty of developers that will develop deoxed custom ROMs and great kernels with tweaks OCing etc. . Omega already to jump in. The only custom ROM's I've ever used were that of STOCK ROM development where features could be enhanced and drivers would not be a problem. CM always seems to have something missing or not working.
Why buy a Samsung device and then wipe it clean of all the great features? Just buy a Nexus 4
That said. I don't mind running an ASOP ROM on my Nexus 7 I will be glad to get rid of when Samsung releases the 6.5" Note 3.
For many a stock base is good enough with a custom launcher. This is a very very small community. I know at least 12 people with an S 3and 6 with Notes. None of them even want their phones rooted.
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The real question I have is.. If the UK and the US get the quad core processor, Which device would have more developers....Exynos or Snapdragon?
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The real question I have is.. If the UK and the US get the quad core processor, Which device would have more developers....Exynos or Snapdragon?
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Snapdragon always gets more aosp... So i assume more serious devs that are still in board will get Qualcomm
trolol and awayyy!! Expect typos this is my phone.
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I think GS4 & Note3 development will be pretty similar to GS2, Note, GS3 and Note2.
AFAIK, for example, the AOSP based ROMs don't really support the S-Pen on the Notes, but that's more app specific.
Cameras have long been, and will likely continue to be a problem. Video capture rates may be lower, features like both cameras, sound in pictures, smart scroll may not be supportable.
As always, for stock features, there will be stock based ROMs. Take your choice, features or AOSP based.
As with all the other Galaxy S class devices, there will be two main variants: International Exynos Octa & US/LTE/Qualcomm. ROMs, XDA forum sections and many issues will be different for each.
I predict that many ROM devs will continue to complain about the lack of Exynos info and source code. But they will develop, as best they can. I'd like to see Samsung open up more, Sony and Qualcomm are better at open-ness.
And there will be at least one other group for the Qualcomm variants; I'd hope the US carrier variants will all be able to run the same ROMs, but previous experience is different I guess.
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For the longest time and to this day you could not get the FM radio to work on CM without buying a $10 Spirit radio app.
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1st post of my thread has links to free versions, as well as free alphas of Spirit2, with digital audio features for Galaxy S class devices.
I hope the proposed Android FM API will see success and provide more options.
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Snapdragon always gets more aosp... So i assume more serious devs that are still in board will get Qualcomm
trolol and awayyy!! Expect typos this is my phone.
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Only reason I ask is that the i9300 get newer software updates vs the 8747 or t999. I was recently dead set on getting the i9500 but now it well be based more on development. The the ir blaster won't work km cm or aosp as it doesn't work on the note 10.1...Only touch wiz. Not really a big deal to me but I was Curtis as th where most devs are from that usually get the international ones. LTE to me means is reach my data cap sooner so hsdpa+ is plenty quick got me.
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Most experienced developers are leaving Samsung for manufacturers that don't treat them like **** (see the Superbrick fiasco), leaving only the "me-too" smali-hack-kangs and a very small number of experienced competent developers like Andrei.
Quality, not quantity - most of the stuff in the I9100 and I9300 forums is crap, people who took a Touchwizz base, themed it, made some build.prop hacks, and called it a whole new firmware package. They're lucky in that Touchwizz is so bad that it's easy to improve upon it.
Compare to, for example, the Xperia T where there are 5-10 or more developers all contributing as a team to something that only has two threads (One for CM10, one for CM10.1) There aren't many people working with Sony stock firmwares because, honestly, it's REALLY hard to improve upon them because they're so good to begin with. Most of the few things that can be improved are achievable with simple TiBu freezes, no smali hacking required.
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Yeah, I guess that's just for exynos based galaxy devices. My US S2 Variant has several 4.2.2 aosp roms. Aokp, cm10.1, pac, slim, rootbox etc. I assume the USA s4 will be similar.
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As stated by GSMArena website there will be no Android 5.0 update for Galaxy S2 and obviously should apply to the variants too.
Although this news is leaked from the company's insider, it may be true. This news may be highly disappointing to many. Here's the link. Go ahead check it out.
http://www.gsmarena.com/galaxy_s_ii...roid_50_others_get_stuck_at_422-news-5720.php
Honestly, did anyone ever expect Android 5.0 to be officially released for our device?
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Honestly, did anyone ever expect Android 5.0 to be officially released for our device?
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No.. I'm still waiting for the premium pack for 4.1.2 although ! Multitask is not available yet
Thanks for making another thread to tell us. There was a shortage of them.
Extra kudos for linking to gsmarea, rather than the source.
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Thanks for making another thread to tell us. There was a shortage of them.
Extra kudos for linking to gsmarea, rather than the source.
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M sorry but lot of people here dont know so I thought about this. And GSMArena was the source through which I got this news so thats why I linked it to the website. And this is the General section so I guess there is no rule not to link websites here for information. No offence.
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this is the General section so I guess there is no rule not to link websites here for information. No offence.
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There is a rule about searching before posting, however.
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M sorry but lot of people here dont know so I thought about this. And GSMArena was the source through which I got this news so thats why I linked it to the website. And this is the General section so I guess there is no rule not to link websites here for information. No offence.
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Whaaaaat?! I thought you were being sarcastic in your first post!
What the hell is happening to xda these days.....
Edit: Nice. Two of the same threads from you!
3 major upgrades for a 2 year old phone still put Samsung as one of the better ones in terms of upgrades ...
jelly bean 4.2.2 is definitely the latest that i expected.
the s2 is too old but still good.
morover the most of us will get a new phone very soon because of the contracts.
and this phone will get android 5 or higher in the future.
Gonna upgrade to another manufacturer i think...since the uk galaxy s4 will be a snapdragon based model and not the octocore we were hoping for...key lime pie will be nice.
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3 major upgrades for a 2 year old phone still put Samsung as one of the better ones in terms of upgrades ...
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Still not sufficient. A 650€ flagship should be supported more than 2 years and 2 poor versions. Ics & JB...
Or at least let the community do their job...
I totally agree, and don't understand the attitude of some people here... I didn't buy the phone just to replace it at the end of contract. It's still working perfect and I don't see the need for a replacement. Samsung should just let the community handle the updates if they are to lazy to do it themselves.
S2 till it dies, and when it does, another s2.
Fu*k it, I'll buy a couple s2 when they get 300 bucks cheap here (It's still at 600 bucks unbranded, 400 branded, crazy).
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we can have it by custom roms.
as expected from samsung, they only care about selling phone and now, if you want android 5 you need to buy and s4,,,shane on you samsung
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as expected from samsung, they only care about selling phone and now, if you want android 5 you need to buy and s4,,,shane on you samsung
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Dude they updated it from 2.3.6 up to 4.1.2 and they will update it to 4.2.2. Some Galaxy devices havent got any update. Just some bugfixes.
I hate samsung for that, but i love touchwiz and their hardware
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Whaaaaat?! I thought you were being sarcastic in your first post!
What the hell is happening to xda these days.....
Edit: Nice. Two of the same threads from you!
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My post would be closed if its a nuisance over here. This is the General section and therz no problem if I post something usefull or worth knowing info. If you have problems you can PM mod to close this thread.
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Ok, chill out now, no need to get sentimental.
I really wanna see 5.0 and what it's all about, I'm somewhat skeptical on the gigant upgrade that would represent against JB.
If a couple of devs make it work with no issues on their ROMs I don't see why we can't lobby up and ask for that update.
I mean, samsung devs vs xda devs...I'm sticking with our troops.
One thing's for sure, if the galaxy nexus gets it, I'll burn tires right in front of Samsung.
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As stated by GSMArena website there will be no Android 5.0 update for Galaxy S2 and obviously should apply to the variants too.
Although this news is leaked from the company's insider, it may be true. This news may be highly disappointing to many. Here's the link. Go ahead check it out.
http://www.gsmarena.com/galaxy_s_ii...roid_50_others_get_stuck_at_422-news-5720.php
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that's too bad..
Yes, if Samsung would now release all the sources (required by the license) we could keep upgrading our devices on our own. The S2 community has done a fabulous job, and we would get some disaffected devs back if we had all the sources. This is still a great phone. I'd hazard to say that there aren't many (any?) other 2 year old phones that still run this well on the "latest" software. I agree it might be still going strong in 4 years. Due to Samsung's intransigence however I think my next has to be Nexus. But it's hard to justify giving this up. Despite a faded screen, and reduced capacity of the battery, it still screams smoothly!