This week, Microsoft will unveil Windows 8 RT on their Surface while other vendors will roll their tablets with it.
Since none of us has Windows 8 RT tablet yet and no one has started tinkering inside those tablets (hardware & software in the tablet), I was wondering about something:
Basically if we take a TF300 tablet and compare it to Asus's other Windows 8 RT tablets, they are exactly the same in terms of hardware. Tegra 3, Nand flash, etc. In terms of storage, I'm sure Microsoft doesn't use ext2/3/4 partitions, they probably use their own NTFS or Fat32 or whatever.
In terms if booting the device, Android tablets (which are based on Tegra 3 at least) use whatever nVidia gives them to boot the system, recovery, APX etc. In the Windows tablets they use UEFI with secure boot.
My question: based on public info which we know, how hard would it be to make Windows 8 run on TF300? how hard would it be to install UEFI on the TF300? (IIRC it's not a special chip, it's just a piece of software in the firmware, and as androidroot.mobi showed - you can write on the firmware whatever you want).
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wrong section, and even if it wasnt, thats pirating windows
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hetzbh said:
My question: based on public info which we know, how hard would it be to make Windows 8 run on TF300? how hard would it be to install UEFI on the TF300? (IIRC it's not a special chip, it's just a piece of software in the firmware, and as androidroot.mobi showed - you can write on the firmware whatever you want).
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windows rt is sold only preinstalled, you cant buy it separatedly, you cant install it on something else than the tablet it came with.
and obviously you cant get the sources to thinker with.
pendragon11 said:
wrong section, and even if it wasnt, thats pirating windows
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Your reply doesn't make sense. What excatly do you mean by pirating windows? If you're talking about hacking, then isn't that what we all do?
PS. It's just like sex, its always better if its free.
pretty sure you don't pay for windows RT
I could be wrong though...
Plus, I don't quite know for sure how an android tablet would be compatible with the windows RT, I am sure there are some stupid things they added to make it so it wouldn't work out. It always seems to be out of our favor.
babymatteo said:
Your reply doesn't make sense. What excatly do you mean by pirating windows? If you're talking about hacking, then isn't that what we all do?
PS. It's just like sex, its always better if its free.
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as you cant buy it, the only way you can get it is by pirating it from another tablet.
read the forum rules, warez is not accepted on this forum.
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Your reply doesn't make sense. What excatly do you mean by pirating windows? If you're talking about hacking, then isn't that what we all do?
PS. It's just like sex, its always better if its free.
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difference is that android is open source and the source code is shared in order to facilitate user development
windows and apple are closed source, and not allowed to pirate
Comon guys, don't be such a moderator wannabe ... the guy is just wondering if it's possible to port W8 RT to a TF300. He is not talking of asking about how to hack a W* RT device.
For example, if you bought yourself a W8 RT tablet and you want to try to extract the software and load it in into your OWN TF300 for personal use ... i can't see the real problem here.
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Comon guys, don't be such a moderator wannabe ... the guy is just wondering if it's possible to port W8 RT to a TF300. He is not talking of asking about how to hack a W* RT device.
For example, if you bought yourself a W8 RT tablet and you want to try to extract the software and load it in into your OWN TF300 for personal use ... i can't see the real problem here.
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and, as we said, the answer is no, you cant, as microsoft wont sell you a copy.
Forget the sake of this discussion, forget about piracy. On many countries it's totally legit to grab a software from one of your machines and put it on another, as long as you purchased the software and as long as you don't give it to anyone else. For example: Microsoft allows you to install office with a single license on 2 or more computers, as long as only one of them is running the software at the same time.
How do you think all those emulators has began being developed? people started to talk if it's possible to run X application on Y platform, and if not, why?
Thats why I opened this thread - theory speaking, nothing more.
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Forget the sake of this discussion, forget about piracy. On many countries it's totally legit to grab a software from one of your machines and put it on another, as long as you purchased the software and as long as you don't give it to anyone else. For example: Microsoft allows you to install office with a single license on 2 or more computers, as long as only one of them is running the software at the same time.
How do you think all those emulators has began being developed? people started to talk if it's possible to run X application on Y platform, and if not, why?
Thats why I opened this thread - theory speaking, nothing more.
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You have to be patient eventually it might be done. If i can run apples osx on my hp touch smart why wouldnt this be possible. but honestly id rather just buy the surface. if it is really a pc in tablet skin. Cuz honestly. I hate mobole browsers and all that crap. . Inever play games on my tablet only my son. All i do is watch movies and surf online. .sell tf300 buy surface.
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Like I see it you'd need root or sth. on a Surface or other Win8 Pad, get the system of it with kernel etc., make it compatible with Tf300 and its bootloader and then get the wright wifi drivers etc. compatible - seems like a long work, but as I know from other portings not impossible!
I am sure some very clever people will give it a go sometime soon.
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You have to be patient eventually it might be done. If i can run apples osx on my hp touch smart why wouldnt this be possible. but honestly id rather just buy the surface. if it is really a pc in tablet skin. Cuz honestly. I hate mobole browsers and all that crap. . Inever play games on my tablet only my son. All i do is watch movies and surf online. .sell tf300 buy surface.
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No Windows RT is a dumbed down version of Windows 8 with just the modern UI and a so called "desktop" for certain apps and it will not run any legacy windows applications. The RT version in my opinion is useless at least for the time being, because it need devs to make good content just like iOS and Android and that will take a few years. Just 2-3 years ago android was playing catch up to iOS, Windows RT will be the same.
The Intel based Surface i see great potentials for and that will be revolutionary to actually have the "PC in a tablet skin". With that one can run all software you have on a computer plus the great apps developers will make.
If you are thinking the Windows RT Surface will be any different then a Android tablet you are mistaken, sure there are few differences it will still use "apps" just like any other Android tablet and you won't be able to run and Windows games on it if that is what your thinking. What you want is the Intel based Surface.
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You never know, devs have ported Android to Windows Mobile phones so there maybe a way to get Window on the TF300. If a Dev has his/her mind set anything can be done.
I would like to just point out that the windows 8 forum is titled windows 8 development and hacking.... This is basically the definition of what we do.
In my opinion, windows 8 RT is free with the hardware that you purchase, seeing as you cannot buy the software, instead it is given to you. I see nothing wrong with trying to get windows 8 RT on our tablets. It's not like Microsoft could possibly be pissed off with other people practically advertising their sh*t, because you know as soon as they get it working, they're gonna tell all their buddies who are gonna want a windows 8 tablet, and if they can't do the porting, they'll probably go for a windows 8 tablet.... like possibly the slate.
My 2 cents have been given.
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burt_ie said:
I am sure some very clever people will give it a go sometime soon.
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it would appear it's been done! youtube.com/watch?v=Q0uWypmOIgs
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it would appear it's been done! youtube.com/watch?v=Q0uWypmOIgs
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Looks like a fake to me.....running splashtop?. you can clearly see the android notification bar towards the end of the video.
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Yup definitely running splashtop, you can also see the small keyboard button in the lower right hand corner.
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You can see the Android Taskbar... so remote desktop.
But also, what will be the purpose of installing Windows 8 RT on and Android device?
We wanted a different platform...
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Yup definitely running splashtop, you can also see the small keyboard button in the lower right hand corner.
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This thread should be closed and buried deep, so that no one will ever find this abomination. Let us never speak again of porting Microsoft's squared horror to the TF300T.
Trimis de pe Motorola Defy
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-5...-on-arm-going-to-developers-soon-say-sources/
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-5...-on-arm-going-to-developers-soon-say-sources/
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Yes but it requires 40ish Gb of space, a secure boot image and OEM branding to function... none of which we have so stop posting about it
evil secure boot: if you get one of those, it won't run Android on it (unless someone cracks their keys)
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Yes but it requires 40ish Gb of space, a secure boot image and OEM branding to function... none of which we have so stop posting about it
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so what i dnt think the op was saying it was stable on the tf101so stop being a rudeinconsiderate jerk
Completely off-topic; this thread should be moved to a forum that has anything to do with Windows 8.
And incidentally, Win8 will be the next Vista. It will flop, badly. Microsoft has never managed an even slightly successful touch-screen OS, and Win8 has significant design limitations that will put people off once they finally get to try it.
As much as I agree that Windows 8 may flop, I also disagree about MS never building a decent touchscreen OS. Before Windows 7, absolutely - however the Acer running Windows 7 worked extremely well to my surprise. It worked just as a tablet should and the response time was impressive. Any tablet that has a fan is a fail though, so if it works well on ARM - maybe.....
If Microsoft can make Windows 8 work and improve on the "tiles" portion, I think it could be a reasonable tablet OS.
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so what i dnt think the op was saying it was stable on the tf101so stop being a rudeinconsiderate jerk
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I am sorry that you think that that was inconsiderate it just irritates me when someone opens a new thread for a topic that has already been discussed multiple times in the form of a device that will never get that operating system. There is an entire windows 8 section of XDA and i think that this post would have better served to start a discussion there
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As much as I agree that Windows 8 may flop, I also disagree about MS never building a decent touchscreen OS. Before Windows 7, absolutely - however the Acer running Windows 7 worked extremely well to my surprise. It worked just as a tablet should and the response time was impressive. Any tablet that has a fan is a fail though, so if it works well on ARM - maybe.....
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What percentage of Windows7 users are even aware it can operate with a touch screen, much less use it that way?
I rest my case.
What percentage of iPad users know that tablets can be used for things outside of Angry Birds and porn?
The point isn't that Windows necessarily suck at touchscreen capability, it's just that they don't seem to have attracted much attention with it. Whether it's because they also believe that bull**** Apple has created around tablets and want to be seen as a more serious company... or if they're just too damn slow and big to move quickly, who knows?
(By the way, slightly off topic, but where is the best source to gather all past financial history on Apple and Microsoft??)
I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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Yeah, i really do wonder, how many people are going to buy some w8 tablet thinking that they might run any .exe files from their computer I believe there will be many flames thx to it. Not to mention the catastrophic amount of application after the launch....
And the impossibility to dualboot any other system -> w8 will be doomed and forgotten on arm.
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What percentage of iPad users know that tablets can be used for things outside of Angry Birds and porn?
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A pretty good percentage, I'd say, and the same is true of Android users. However, that straw man has nothing to do with the topic at hand, which is that Microsoft has had nothing but dismal failure with touchscreen features of every product they've offered.
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I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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This is one of the key problems I alluded to, and given the number of people in this very forum who don't understand that issue, the answer is "a lot".
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I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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I'm one. That's actually what I was expecting =[
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I'm one. That's actually what I was expecting =[
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Apparently, I am one, too. I am sadly mistaken, and was quite bigoted to have thought otherwise.
We have a ASUS see slate at the hospital that I work at. It runs Windows 7 64bit with a Solid state drive and 2 gigs of ram, able to go to 4 gigs. It is actually a very solid machine, And cost effictive for our hospital. Most doctors have dell xt2 tablets they carry around that are POS, cost around 3500. For like 1200 you can get a slate a eeeslate and keyboard.
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What percentage of Windows7 users are even aware it can operate with a touch screen, much less use it that way?
I rest my case.
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Uh, what? I get that the marketing sucks and they only have like 3 tablets out that run Windows 7 (if that), but that doesn't mean it doesn't work well. I'm obviously not saying it is or ever will be as popular as Android/iOS tablets, hahahah.
Microsoft is an OS developer, and until they manufacture the hardware as well (which won't happen) they're going to have to license Windows to tablet manufacturers who actually want to make them. How many manufacturers want to pay a license for Windows when they can just as easily slap Android on any piece of hardware for free? Not to mention they've had to build Windows tablets using x86 architecture all along which isn't cheap when it's not mass-ordered by every other OEM.
That said, my point was that Windows 7 works surprisingly well as a tablet OS, not that it's going to compete for 1st place with the big boys.
Just as Windows Phone 7 is a relative dud, I'm sure Windows 8 ARM will be as well. Not because the OS doesn't work well on a tablet, but because they are FARRRRRR too late in the game. Popular app developers are just now starting to port their catalog to Android, it's not likely that they are going to consider also porting to Windows on ARM when the user base will be virtually non-existent.
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I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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That's a great point, and I'm sure 90% of the people who buy Windows tablets are going to be people who want to take their desktop applications to a mobile platform.
I guess I just saw a glimmer of hope with the Windows 7 tablet I was surprised by in the store, but I'm being reminded how unlikely it is that Microsoft will ever succeed with any sort of a mobile product for regular consumers.
It's unfortunate, but both Windows 8 in it's tablet form, and Windows Phone 7 are relying on consumer ignorance to succeed.
The Tech news community are the ones at fault here, not highlighting these critical problems with the products, instead banking Microsoft's lucrative "advertising" payments in exchange for saying nice things.
Corporate America ****ing disgusts me. Almost as much as the lack of action by the US government in Microsoft's anti-trust practices.
Looking at the list of categories here, Microsoft have violated most of these at one time, and many they still continue to do so.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-competitive_practices
I am waiting for win 8 Arm tablet
I am one waiting for an arm tablet on windows 8.
I was at one point looking forward to Win8 on ARM but after reading about how MS is going to be locking down ARM systems that run Win8 I have no desire any longer. When will MS and for that matter HW manufacturers understand that an ARM tablet is NO different than a white box PC. Leave it open and unlocked and if someone chooses to install Windows, Android, iOS, Linux, etc... let them.
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Is it, or will it ever be, possible to install Windows 8 on Asus Transformer Prime?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1502415
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1494488
Short answer, no.
You could use Slashtop, I guess.
dont know wtf you guys are talking about... usually no, windows will only run on an x86 machine (but with software anythings possible if you have the know how)... but however, windows 8 is supposed to run on the arm chipset. meaning that there is a high possibility you will be running windows 8 on your prime
proof here: http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/2/29/2832683/microsoft-windows-8-intel-arm-new-hardware
(if you can be bothered reading windows 8 already in its pre release stage runs on nvidia tegra 3 platform)
just google "windows 8 arm" you will get heaps of info.
"windows 8 will be adding support for arm"
*sigh* read the links.
WoA (aka W8ARM) will require a secure boot module attached to the motherboard. It will also not be able to be purchased by consumers, only OEMs, so porting it to a non WoA device is in a legal gray area (licence keys and all). Also you'll have to deal with writing your own drivers for a lot of stuff.
If you feel comfortable dealing with sottering, extensive coding, and legal problems you MIGHT be able to get a version of Windows 8 that can only run metro apps onto your tablet. Now tell me, is that really worth the effort?
Asus will eventually release a Transformer on Win8, so who cares?
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Asus will eventually release a Transformer on Win8, so who cares?
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What a douche.
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Yeah, whatever
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willt it be possible if microsoft releases a win8 version whis generally supports arm achitecture?
Not possible
Windows 8 is closed-source, unlike linux, and Microsoft won't expose the source code to public so we can just hack, port, tweak, and do whatsoever on Windows 8. On linux, we can do that freely
Even assuming that the drivers would just magically work, how would you even load it. There's no BIOS you can just boot to and have it install a new OS, you can't use a live USB or CD or DVD. I doubt we can flash it with our current boot loaders and I doubt we could flash a new one to support it. Correct me if I'm wrong here because I would love to have it on my Galaxy Tab 10.1
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do you think Windows 8 RT (ARM) could ever be ported successfully to the transformer, or even the prime or some other tablet?
i know it's not open source and that makes a HUUGE difference. so, what are the chances?
obviously it's a bit early to tell for sure, but how likely do you think?
I doubt it since it gonna come preinstalled with hardware.
http://www.techspot.com/news/48217-windows-8-editions-revealed-two-retail-one-for-arm-one-for-enterprise.html
Even if you were able to copy it to another tablet you would not be able to update it. At least legally.
Our only hope is that ms would sell it alone.
Im wondering how restricted it will be because if it runs like standard windows someone using it on a tablet could run a backup and push out an image that people on android could use.
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I very much doubt it as the WinRT code won't be open sourced so it would have to be one hell of a reverse engineering job to get it ported.
It would be like trying to get iOS ported to our TFs
I just hope splashtop or some other RDP software will have the ability to automaticly turn on all touch-features in win8 when you connect from your tablet.
Would make it a hell a lot easier to remote control your PC without keyboard and mouse.
If someone can figure out how to dump it then it is possible.
This is going back a few years & obviously Win8 whole different animal from WM6.5. I remember when it was announced that the beloved Dell Axim x51 was not going to be updated to WM6.5. Some of the devs did figure out how to make it happen. Going that route you do run into a whole host of legal issues.
In not sure why you would want to downgrade?
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Possible, but what's the point? Windows 8 RT isn't proper Windows, it's not get any apps, and has that horrible Metro user interface.
I love the metro interface. It is just so simple and smart. I would also love to use Windows 8 with a touchscreen to enable all the touch features.
Also, I think of it this way... As some person said on this thread, it is not actually Windows 8, cause you cant get out of metro. And it is a really big issue. But I mean, it is like installing Linux on your TF. You would just install it, check it out for a little while, and then switch back for android. I wouldn't actually use Linux on the Transformer. On Linux you wouldn't actually use Word or Excel on your TF. And if you had windows, same thing... you probably wouldn't use Photoshop or After Effects because you just don't need to. If you are on a mobile device, obviously the OS has to be limited only on the features that are useful on a mobile device. Photoshop would burn your TF most probably, so I don't really see the use of using the classic Windows desktop with a Transformer.
P.S. The Metro UI freaking ROCKS!
I'm going to counter and say I can't stand metro ui. At all. If I got win8 (In love with 7 atm) I'd instantly switch to desktop mode and never look at metro again.
I really hope they release a generic arm version, I want windows on my tab. It'd allow me to do so much graphically and musically, but for now,
Ubuntu xD
Windows 8 has high hardware requirement, atleast prime is needed I think for it to work
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Well, you can overclock the TF a considerable bit, my worry would be RAM usage, since Windows is a RAM hog. It's supposed to have lower Reqs than Windows 7, though.
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Well, you can overclock the TF a considerable bit, my worry would be RAM usage, since Windows is a RAM hog. It's supposed to have lower Reqs than Windows 7, though.
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the ram for this device is too low even for modified android and for browsing sites and watching flash video.
is ram not like the cheapest component?
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I made a post in another thread stating why I think it's not going to happen.
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I don't anticipate it being possible to run Win8 on the tf101.
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It's unlikely that Windows 8 ARM will be available except preinstalled on devices; unlike PCs, the installation would be different for and specific to each device. So if we assume that is the case;
Windows 8 will probably come on a device with only the drivers necessary for that specific device. You could cite space constraints on that. Why would drivers for any other device be included?
Secondly, building a kernel specifically for the transformer is not going to happen. Why? The Windows kernel is not open source. obviously current kernels we have won't help, because they are Linux.
That last point is probably the biggest reason why we won't see it happening. Not having the source severely limits what can be done.
I wouldn't get my hopes up for this.
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Windows 8 on ARM is more about breaking away from the limitations Intel has in the mobile space. It has nothing to do with compatibility. Microsoft doesn't want to lose any more licenses of Windows to Apple with the iPad (MS makes more money on every Android phone than on Windows Phone).
ARM won't run the desktop. No one cares about Windows if they can't run their old apps. It's DOA.
Windows 8 is gonna flop bigger than all the other Microsoft failures like Xbox and kinect
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"never say never"
look at the HTC HD2, a device that was shipped with WinMo 6.1, now it can run Windows Phone 7.5, Android (ICS included), Ubuntu, booting from NAND (with 2 different boot loaders written from scratch), with nearly full hardware support for everything.
When Asus releases WinRT tablets, they will reuse some of the hardware they use in Android tablets, so they will have the correct code compiled, and hackers will backport it to other tablets...
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Windows 8 is gonna flop bigger than all the other Microsoft failures like Xbox and kinect
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uhm wtf? xbox best selling game console worldwide? about 20 million kinects sold?
anyway... for win 8 I say we'll see and we'll know then.
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Windows 8 is gonna flop bigger than all the other Microsoft failures like Xbox and kinect
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Go back to doing what ever you were doing on your Mac or ipad!
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Go back to doing what ever you were doing on your Mac or ipad!
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Comon man we all know microsoft copied ipads angry birds when made xbox360!!
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I've read a number of posts regarding the many difficulties involved in porting Windows 8 to the Kindle Fire. Is it conceivable that a future incarnation utilize the Windows 8 os?
Will not be possible. Ever. Hardware using windows 8 must be blessed by Microsoft themselves, and there are many, many other protections with it to ensure that it is only installed on authorized hardware. Sorry, its not going to happen.
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Will not be possible. Ever. Hardware using windows 8 must be blessed by Microsoft themselves, and there are many, many other protections with it to ensure that it is only installed on authorized hardware. Sorry, its not going to happen.
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I would not jump to that, yet. Windows, by definition, is more of a universal operating system VS Mac OS X. Windows can run legally in a Mac, but OS X cant be run legally on a PC. Windows was made for a wider range of hardware, and likewise, in theory, could run on a completely unauthorized device, maybe through hardware bypass. Let us see. Earlier, no one thought this $200 amazon tablet could run ICS (nearly) perfectly. They thought it was absurd. But we, as a community, of devs, contributors, and noobs, proved them wrong. And we could do it again with Windows 8
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.... But we, as a community, of devs, contributors, and noobs, proved them wrong. And we could do it again with Windows 8
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I beg of you , community, please don't do this.
I would much rather see Linux on here. Even if Windows 8 got ported to the Kindle Fire, it would STILL be Windows, and by definition would be a step (or two) down from Android.
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I would much rather see Linux on here. Even if Windows 8 got ported to the Kindle Fire, it would STILL be Windows, and by definition would be a step (or two) down from Android.
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I guess so. I too hate windows, but there are a few people who want this.
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It would be interesting to know the reason why someone would like to have Windows on the Kindle. Kindle is cool. Android is cool. Windows is not that cool any more. I am a user, a noob from my head to the tail. I judge by coolness.
Windows 8 is not Window Desktop
Just to be fair, you can't really compare Windows 8 on a fire to Windows and in what you have seen for years on the desktop computer. It will not have any of the Win32 code in it because a Fire is a non-Intel CPU. Instead Windows 8 where talking about here will be the predecessor to the Windows Phone OS that you see on the Windows 7 phone. Here you are talking about a completely different experience. A Windows 7 phone can be argued as a much better touch interface than Android and possibly even the famous iPhone. It hasn't gotten much popularity because Microsoft missed the ball in the "phone war", but anyone I've seen who has a Windows Phone loves it and swears by it. So porting Windows 8 to a fire if it can be done would be actually be pretty awesome. If you don't believe me go to your nearest cell phone shop and play with a Windows Phone.
As for me, I have an android phone myself and like it very much. So I'm not preaching Windows 8. It was just sensing a slanted opinion of the topic based on Microsoft's flaws in a complete different market, which it has nothing to do with this topic.
Windows RT is supposed to support ARM architecture processors which means that, technically yes, it could work.
Now considering that drivers are proprietary, porting may be much more difficult unless Microsoft already did their legwork.
Functionally, the KF may be underpowered based on the hardware requirements for Windows RT.
Which leads to the question of, do you need Windows RT for your KF, or do you just want too say that it can be done?
Even if you still believe Windows is some unstable, immature operating system, in what possible way would porting it to any platform be detrimental to you? Name one. If you don't like it, don't do anything. How easy is that? Personally, I'd love to see it running on existing hardware simply because it's that much less I have to spend on more test equipment for development. It wasn't that long ago people were *****ing and complaining about porting "that Android garbage" to their Windows Mobile devices like it was the end of their world. I doubt it'll ever happen but if it did, I'd be first in line to see if it ran on any of my devices.
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Even if you still believe Windows is some unstable, immature operating system, in what possible way would porting it to any platform be detrimental to you? Name one. If you don't like it, don't do anything. How easy is that? Personally, I'd love to see it running on existing hardware simply because it's that much less I have to spend on more test equipment for development. It wasn't that long ago people were *****ing and complaining about porting "that Android garbage" to their Windows Mobile devices like it was the end of their world. I doubt it'll ever happen but if it did, I'd be first in line to see if it ran on any of my devices.
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Wooaahh. Hold on there Discussion Police. No need to get all bent out of shape over this. I don't remember seeing anyone here being personally attacked for their interest in using the Kindle Fire to run Windows 8. I only see people sharing their opinions on whether it would be a good idea or not. It's strange, how you took it so personally.
That being said...
Besides the potential of modifying Microsoft's software and porting it to a device that's not approved being ILLEGAL, you still have do deal with the lack of support, sketchy business practices (legitcheck, anyone?) and serious privacy concerns.
So, it is my absolutely permitted yet Not So Humble Opinion that supporting a company that has probably done more to damage the open source community than all others combined is probably not a good idea. Or maybe that's just me.
But hey, if you'd like to continue paying $300+ for a sub standard OS....
(getting off my soapbox now)
Just to share my opinion, I have never touched Windows OS for a long long time and my life was so much better after that (productivity). My old lappy was so crappy the last time I loaded it with Windows, it's slow and so limited in what it can do. After I loaded my lappy with Arch Linux, all I can say is WOW, the speed was way way superior compared to Windows, and there're basically nothing you can't do with Linux. So yeah, I don't think Win 8 is a good option for Kindle Fire, especially with limited ram size like 512MB. I'd go crazy if someone able to bring a pure linux distro to Kindle Fire though
If you want windows 8 to say that you have it, it makes sense. But the developer who does port it will probably get sued by Microsoft.
Next, based on system requirements, performance with the OS is most likely going to be unbearable.
Which then again leads me to the question of what are you expecting out of a port of windows 8/RT?
If windows 8 gets ported to kindle fire, the viruses won't be far behind. I'm a pc tech shop owner i love windows for the fact it keeps me busy.
Curious as to what os you guys run.
I use osx and Linux mostly & windows for scanning hard drivez from other computers.
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Well I've been using Windows 8 for awhile now, and I love it. Now would I want out on my kindle fire, not sure. The version of windows 8 that will support hardware the fire hasn't been released yet, all we have is Intel based version. I can tell you thou as a tablet based Os is its brilliant, and when the full version is released, I will be picking up a windows 8 tablet. Haven't made decision yet whether I will go will arm or Intel based. Arm will have limitations over its Intel counterparts, but I'm sure the battery life will be far better.
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Personally I think that android is better because it's open source and has a great app store.I would suggest that if any one likes the windows 8 ui,he or she should wait for a theme to get the best from both worlds.
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Being that the hardware inside the KF is so cheap, I wouldn't bother. And I love Windows 8.
The specs seem ok but does anyone have any plans to dual boot windows 8 on this mini beast?
Possible, yes
Legal, no
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Why would you want to?
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The specs seem ok but does anyone have any plans to dual boot windows 8 on this mini beast?
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Maybe but why would you want to put that crappy OS on it?
i would like Ubuntu, not some m$ s*it
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Possible, yes
Legal, no
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Unlikely, as win8rt will only come as builds dedicated to a specific device (with that device) and the win8rt bootloader requires a secureboot-enabled EFI bios with _only_ the MS keys embedded. (E.G. how often did windows CE get hacked onto a device that never had it)
_If_ we see win8rt on other T3 Kai platforms, that end up exploitable _and_ people are able to hack out the EFI secure bootloader stuff, then _maybe you'll see a ropey build do the rounds, but I wouldn't count on it
No and why would be the answer.
Windows 8 won't run windows apps and it's a step back to the dark ages in UI design.
Microsoft have also locked have ensured that windows 8 will only boot on approved hardware with signed EFI certs. This also means that a windows 8 ARM tablet won't boot anything else either.
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Windows 8 RT sucks anyway, even if it was ported most people wouldn't care because it's RT and Arm based so it's not like your installing diablo 3.
now if someone releases an intel x86 android tablet, thats another story.
Still, can't wait for Microsoft Surface Pro, that thing looks amazing.
As everyone has said, It is not possible. Even if someone got the EFI to pass, windows RT was not designed for tegra devices.
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Yea. But can it run Crysis? :laugh:
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As everyone has said, It is not possible. Even if someone got the EFI to pass, windows RT was not designed for tegra devices.
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The RT model uses tegra 3.
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Any Nexus forced to run Windows would die of shame... Might as well ask if it would run Ios6.
This has troll written all over it. Shame on you OP..lol.
sorry... (hangs head in shame)
Don't be ashamed. This is a very legitimate question.
Windows 8 finally brings a true mobile windows. And it would be awesome if the nexus could dual boot into it.
Now Windows 8 RT kinda sucks ass since outside of office your just running windows phone apps basically though i'm sure that'll change eventually.
Plus, windows 8 is not really meant for a 7" screen, more like 10" minimum right now.
but as it's been said, it'll probably never happen due to many different reasons.
my advice, save up for a surface pro thats coming out in december/january
trooperbill said:
sorry... (hangs head in shame)
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Nah man I was fukn wit ya.lol Your cool..:laugh: