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Hi,
The "ASUS Eee Pad Transformer" looks like a good tablet for me.
It's a netbook and a tablet in one computer.
But I don't like Android as a desktop OS, so I wonder if it was possible to install Ubuntu 11.04 or another Linux dist on the device with a functional touch screen?
The device has USB, right? So it must be possible to boot a Linux dist compiled for the architecture from a USB key?
It would be so nice!
In concept yes. Will it be a usable implementation? Probably not.
I would LOVE LOVE LOVE this thing to dual boot into Linux Mint.
My guess is that it would be theoretically possible to install Ubuntu 11.04 "Netbook" addition as it is aimed at ARM architecture. Tegra 2 apparently supports Ubuntu which should make this easier. The screen also has the perfect resolution to run Ubuntu as well.
11.04 is released Tomorrow right?
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They may only have preinstall images for TI chips. I've looked into the betas, and they have a compress partition that has to be uncompressed on the first boot. But the boot is in a fat32 partition with a kernel for the TI arm chip and uboot.
It should be possible.
Some work was done on getting Ubuntu up and running on a Toshiba AC100, which is a Tegra-2 based "smartbook" running Android (see here for details).
However, IMO a version of NVFlash that works on the Transformer will be required before this can be taken much further.
Regards,
Dave
louisdk said:
Hi,
But I don't like Android as a desktop OS,
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It's not a desktop OS. With the keyboard dock, it's still just a netbook. Netbooks aren't really supposed to be as 'functional' as desktops. If you want desktop functionality, get a desktop or a large laptop.
Netbooks and now tablets are what I refer to as 'compromise' devices. You compromise power and function for portability and convenience. If you need more than a tablet or netbook can provide, you need to be shopping bigger.
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It's not a desktop OS. With the keyboard dock, it's still just a netbook. Netbooks aren't really supposed to be as 'functional' as desktops. If you want desktop functionality, get a desktop or a large laptop.
Netbooks and now tablets are what I refer to as 'compromise' devices. You compromise power and function for portability and convenience. If you need more than a tablet or netbook can provide, you need to be shopping bigger.
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I know that netbooks ain't made for hardcore tasks like gaming, photo- or video editing, but I find Android (have only tried 2.x) too limited for netbook use.
On my current netbook I like a full Linux desktop, so I browse the web, check mails, use LibreOffice, use VLC and other light activities and I really can't way I shouldn't be allowed to get the real PC experience on a netbook if the hardware specs allows it? Especially when new user interfaces like Unity that is perfect for tablets and small screens have been released.
I've spotted this new device. I Think that the ARM-version of Ubuntu used on this device will be public avaible and I hope that it's possible to install it on the Asus Eee Transformer.
OMGUBUNTU UK /2011/05/meet-the-ubuntu-running-dual-core-arm-desktop-trim-slice/
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I've spotted this new device. I Think that the ARM-version of Ubuntu used on this device will be public avaible and I hope that it's possible to install it on the Asus Eee Transformer.
OMGUBUNTU UK /2011/05/meet-the-ubuntu-running-dual-core-arm-desktop-trim-slice/
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http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/05/meet-the-ubuntu-running-dual-core-arm-desktop-trim-slice/
since I can post links
//edit, getting an arm version of debian/ubuntu aint the issue. The issue is graphics. Now as I've posted earlier on this forum, nvidia has released linux4tegra. Although unsupported, it has a tegra_drv for xorg.
Can someone explain to me why peeps keep wanting to install Ubuntu onto their phones/tablets? I mean isn't it more usable to just install it on a netbook? I understand for some people its just the fun in the challenge of cramming it in to another device but is there any other use for Ubuntu on a tablet like the TF?
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Can someone explain to me why peeps keep wanting to install Ubuntu onto their phones/tablets? I mean isn't it more usable to just install it on a netbook? I understand for some people its just the fun in the challenge of cramming it in to another device but is there any other use for Ubuntu on a tablet like the TF?
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If I can start up an app that connects to localhost and gives me access to everything from advanced networking/software development tools/image editing and conversion tools/movie editing/diagnostics/etc/etc/etc/etc. Why wouldn't I want to? I can have a device which instead of being locked to android apps also has a MASSIVE library of tools that's been developed over many many years.
And they are not designed for touchscreen, but guess what, this tablet has a keyboard and a touchpad
eviltuna said:
Can someone explain to me why peeps keep wanting to install Ubuntu onto their phones/tablets? I mean isn't it more usable to just install it on a netbook? I understand for some people its just the fun in the challenge of cramming it in to another device but is there any other use for Ubuntu on a tablet like the TF?
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So I can run an IDE and develop apps for honeycomb...
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Why not just develop an IDE for Android to use on an Android Tab? But I too would love to use the new Ubuntu 11.04 on the TF since Unity supports touch screens
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I mean isn't it more usable to just install it on a netbook?
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I for one don't have and don't want a netbook or laptop. I prefer using one device (a tablet in this case with a keyboard or keyboard dock) for many purposes. It's cheaper for me and I have much less things to carry / charge / store etc.
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Why not just develop an IDE for Android to use on an Android Tab?
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Eclipse is an IDE made by ibm, development started 2001, and it's still being developed today.
I dont think you realize what your saying when you say "just develop an IDE".
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It's not a desktop OS. With the keyboard dock, it's still just a netbook. Netbooks aren't really supposed to be as 'functional' as desktops. If you want desktop functionality, get a desktop or a large laptop.
Netbooks and now tablets are what I refer to as 'compromise' devices. You compromise power and function for portability and convenience. If you need more than a tablet or netbook can provide, you need to be shopping bigger.
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Not even! Check out the Samsung X120 ( I have one ) and the Acer Ferrari One 200 ( I have one of these too! )
Dual core+ netbooks have NO problems running full desktop applications at the same time as multi-tab browsing...
Running Microsoft Server 2008 or Windows 7.
I've run Adobe Premier rendering video at the same time as Office 2010 along with Chrome running 20 tabs and 3DS MAX 2011 open no lag..
The X120 has a 5 hour+ battery life too, the newer i3 and i5 and even i7 based Netbooks are no compromise on desktop performance.
I even have a HDMI out and VGA out on the X120...
Anyways, the sooner we get / make Android 3.0+ based tablets dual boot Ubuntu 11 the better... Then tablets can finally act as both development work horses and Android tabs...
Chris
eviltuna said:
Can someone explain to me why peeps keep wanting to install Ubuntu onto their phones/tablets? I mean isn't it more usable to just install it on a netbook? I understand for some people its just the fun in the challenge of cramming it in to another device but is there any other use for Ubuntu on a tablet like the TF?
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In a nut shell, imagine the portability of a tablet with the power of all the items with Ubuntu..years of apps and developement along with the ability to sit on "the THRONE" if you know what I mean.... the tablet is evolutionary for the fact it is just another device, I do not know if you use Ubuntu, if you do then a question is not why but when and how. Also, you have a option when / if / Ubuntu does come to the transformer, don't use it. Great development does not happen by asking why it should, great development comes by asking why the hell not. Just my 2 cents worth.'
Of interest ....http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/...e-arm-cluster-server-box-for-ubuntu-20110613/
I was wondering if any of the developers here have been following the Windows 8 stuff? I just read and article that they are going to release the first build of it this week at the big Microsoft thingy thats going on. They are releasing the build to developers, AND to the public!
Now, since Win 8 will be ARM supported, I'm wondering if were going to be able to put it on our A500's. I had originally wanted to buy a W500, but when your buying off craigslist you get what you find, and i love my A500 plenty fine, but i've always liked playing with the new Windows versions coming out, and the OS is pretty much designed for touch and tablet.
I know i'll be keeping my eyes open one way or another and hitting download as soon as i see they open a beta build up for us.
I don't think our A500's will be supported by MS, but since there aren't any quad-core tablets out there yet (production-wise, that I know of), MS will probably be using the tegra 2, which means it should be at least compatible.
So, it should hopefully run, but I think it's going to require a bit of hacking.
I really doubt that it will run on our a500's for one reason, hard drive space! Look up windows 8 demo on you tube and you will see that it is very similar to windows 7, just with a tablet friendly ui. You can still access good old windows with the touch of a button. I do have to admit that its looks pretty slick.
If you read into things, windows 8 is supposed to be -very- small operating wise, it's designed to gear towards tablet interfaces, it is able to run off of a flash drive.
I think our Acer Iconia will be one of the better suitors of Windows 8 thanks to its USB port. I would love to have Windows 8 ported on my Acer, especially if they are giving the build to the public.
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I really doubt that it will run on our a500's for one reason, hard drive space! Look up windows 8 demo on you tube and you will see that it is very similar to windows 7, just with a tablet friendly ui. You can still access good old windows with the touch of a button. I do have to admit that its looks pretty slick.
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Windows 7 only takes like 10GB fresh, with a good compression, or just a 32GB SD card for more space, it'd run just fine. Space isn't an issue.
They are, the BUILD conference is at 9am today, and they are supposed to release it to public and developers at it today.
I'll still love to see it runs on a quad core thing, with the ability to turn down part of the processor or dramatically turn down the clock when running on battery to save power.
I used this A500 long enough to realize that Android is just a toy. To be serious, it has a long way to go. It is so convenient to use for before nap browsing, that I don't turn on my laptop at night after all, but if you tell me I only have this for the week, I'll just say no. Better to bring both with me. Windows 7 is essential for me.
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I'll still love to see it runs on a quad core thing, with the ability to turn down part of the processor or dramatically turn down the clock when running on battery to save power.
I used this A500 long enough to realize that Android is just a toy. To be serious, it has a long way to go. It is so convenient to use for before nap browsing, that I don't turn on my laptop at night after all, but if you tell me I only have this for the week, I'll just say no. Better to bring both with me. Windows 7 is essential for me.
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From a day-to-day use stand point, this just isn't true. However, if you need a power house, then I agree with you. But getting this tablet was one of the reasons for getting rid of my netbook. Outside of heavy gaming, which I don't do anyways, I do not see anything I can do on the netbook that I couldn't do on the tablet for everyday functions (except print, but I almost never do that either lol)
I got rid of my laptop (Was going out anyway) And got the a500 instead of another laptop. So far im pleased, i wished Skype would get working, i'd use it a lot more. I have a pretty nice powerhouse for a desktop so for anything that i need to do with some real power, gaming and such, i can sit at it for without a problem.
Id love to get a microsoft arc keyboard or something, small enough to use on my iconia, cause right now, since i have a laptop stand still, i use a old apple keyboard via the USB, its easier for typing more after all.
I'd like to see windows 8 on it, simply to see what i could do with it, i like toying with it, my A500 is my toy, rather than a significant use item, i can do what i need on it, so it serves its purpose, but it was still more a toy then anything else when i got it.
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From a day-to-day use stand point, this just isn't true. However, if you need a power house, then I agree with you. But getting this tablet was one of the reasons for getting rid of my netbook. Outside of heavy gaming, which I don't do anyways, I do not see anything I can do on the netbook that I couldn't do on the tablet for everyday functions (except print, but I almost never do that either lol)
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The one thing missing for me is the ability to develop android applications on the iconia. It's funny that you need another OS to code for Android.
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Well unfortunately the builds thate came out were only on desktop uses, not for the ARM processor, guess was cross our fingers and wait.
Just like WP7 is limited to certain chipsets, I believe the ARM version might only be limited to Tegra 3 and some other faster processors.
I read somewhere from ms that win8 arm will run on many chips.as well as tegra. But not sure where this article went.I do know it was direct from Microsoft.
Here is the link to information
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/br229516
Preview of Win 8 tablets. Acer's is running on an AMD chip, not a Tegra:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4811/windows-8-tablets-running-on-ti-qualcomm-nvidia-amd-intel-silicon
tkolev said:
The one thing missing for me is the ability to develop android applications on the iconia. It's funny that you need another OS to code for Android.
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Regardless of OS, if your day-to-day function is coding/dev work, I would imagine you wouldn't be doing it from a tablet anyways Thats like a mechanic trying to run a full garage with a 25 piece "mechanics" tool set from Walmart lol. I am a project manager and I couldn't imagine not having a full laptop to do what I need it to do. I do also have a PC at home, hooked to my TV. But if I was not running an IIS server or if I didn't do web design work, I would probably not have anything else at home but a tablet.
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Regardless of OS, if your day-to-day function is coding/dev work, I would imagine you wouldn't be doing it from a tablet anyways Thats like a mechanic trying to run a full garage with a 25 piece "mechanics" tool set from Walmart lol. I am a project manager and I couldn't imagine not having a full laptop to do what I need it to do. I do also have a PC at home, hooked to my TV. But if I was not running an IIS server or if I didn't do web design work, I would probably not have anything else at home but a tablet.
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Well that's the only thing I'm still doing on my laptop since I got the tablet. Would be nice if I had the chance of doing it with the tablet too and not bring both when going on trips.
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Preview of Win 8 tablets. Acer's is running on an AMD chip, not a Tegra:
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That's not our tablet. That's the Acer Iconia Tab W500 not the A500. The A500 runs NVIDIA Tegra 2.
In any case, i'm still really hopeful for getting Win 8 onto the A500. With the ARM support, there has to be a way that this can be done eventually. I was actually starting to think that I might have to sell my Iconia and get a new tablet in March when its released. But now only time will tell. But just the possibility of running Windows here is awesome. =D
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That's not our tablet. That's the Acer Iconia Tab W500 not the A500. The A500 runs NVIDIA Tegra 2
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No schiznit really?!
Here I thought my tablet had an Atom processor in it!
Well here is a small update. It does not help us Iconia A500 people, but it does help people with other tablets! And puts out hope that if Microsoft delivers a preview for the ARM version of the OS we may be able to test it out some.
Here is the link to the article showing how to install the developer preview of Win 8 on a Win 7 running tablet.
http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-build-your-own-windows-8-tablet-using-existing-hardware/
Does anybody know of a list or site that lists existing tablets that have had Windows 8 running on them.
Or if you have a Windows tablet now and have tried the dev preview what has been your experience?
I ask because I'm hoping to invest in a decent Windows base tablet for purposes of upgrading to Windows 8 instead of buying a "certified" overpriced tablet. Hopefully we will see manufacturers releasing better drivers for existing devices if they are needed aswell.
wetab
i have installed win 8 on My wetab and It runs pretty well. It has Somme hickups Bud i think thats more to win8 not being completely ready For release.
I have the Lenovo S10-3t Netbook with the monitor that swings around and turns it into a tablet... It runs awesome on this thing.
If you want a good slate you should look into the Samsung Series 7 slate. It has been reviewed as one of the best windows slates. Unfortunately for pricing it is not that great it starts at $1099 and goes to $1399.
I ordered a Dell st2220t touch screen display a while back in anticipation of a beta (I know this isn't a beta but close enough). Hooked it up to a cheap dual core ATOM/ION2 nettop and it runs really great. Wished there were more apps to test out and really live in the touch environment but it works very well. It kind of sucks not to have flash in the metro browser but I won't be surprised if Chrome 100.0 (or whatever version Google has out by release) gets turned into a alternative touch metro browser with Flash support baked in.
Altogether I think it was a pretty cheap experiment and well worth it: $230 for the monitor which was a steal BTW (1080p, touch AND freaking IPS) plus $220 for the nettop.
Ever think the Galaxy 10.1 will accommodate it? I would rather W8 than HC at the moment
I have a HP Touchsmart tm2t tablet and win8 runs extremely well on it, the capacitive multitouch screen works like it should with win8 and I've really been enjoying it so far. I put in a different HDD so i can switch between win8 and win7 just to play/test win8 when i want to.
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If you want a good slate you should look into the Samsung Series 7 slate. It has been reviewed as one of the best windows slates. Unfortunately for pricing it is not that great it starts at $1099 and goes to $1399.
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still far far far cheaper than a dell xt3, hp 2760p, Lenovo x220t for the power provided by the convertible
The difference between the current crop of slates and Microsoft slates/convertibles is that they're not toys. In that the tablet/convertible can stand in as a computer or a main PC
So what is being sought as a price isn't all that bad
That said I've tried on a hp 2740p, dell xt2, hp tm2, and Lenovo x220t. The installation is flawless and really extends the life of the dell xt2 and hp tm2, which are extremely old in comparison to the others I mentioned.
I was thinking that after playing with Windows 8 for so long on a convertible its hard to go to an ipad2, android tablet, hp touchpad because the experience and speed is just incredible. Even on the hp tm2, which is somewhere along 4 years old and it works extremely fast.
It works just fine on Iconia W500.
How did you get it on?? To the iconia
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How did you get it on?? To the iconia
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Iconia W500 is a slate running windows 7, just load it off an SD card and install... Did you think he loaded it on a Iconia A500, the A is for android so windows 8 current build wouldn't run on it...
W500 is available for a great price though, really thinking about it...
I have a Dell Inspiron Duo, and the dev preview runs really well. The performance is definitely smoother and faster than win7 on this device, which is very impressive!
The only issues I have so far are that windows 8 doesn't detect the accelerometer and compass in my device, let alone provide drivers. Although, this is a very early release to get developers used to the metro UI so its not really a problem as they'll probably be in the full release.
Secondly is that Microsoft office brings up compatibility errors and won't install (making do with the very capable open office suite) this will obviously be fixed though.
The one other niggle being with hardware not software. I wish Dell had put some volume hardware keys and a physical start button on the sides of the screen rather than having to open up to the keyboard each time I want to use them. (So this is really just my personal preference)
That being said, you can just swipe in from the right of the screen to bring up a start button and volume/ brightness settings among others.
So as far as upgrading win7 hardware, at the moment I would say nothing would really be stopping you. I would wait to see how windows 8 matures up to release before making a decision however.
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Iconia W500 is a slate running windows 7, just load it off an SD card and install... Did you think he loaded it on a Iconia A500, the A is for android so windows 8 current build wouldn't run on it...
W500 is available for a great price though, really thinking about it...
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Sorry yes, i just saw iconia and hit reply would love the galaxy 10.1 to run it, looks good
I have an ASUS Ep-121 with Windows 8 loaded on it. It runs flawlessly. Better than it did with Windows 7 anyway.
I have been running WDP8 on my HP Slate with eveything working fine.
All the drivers installed fine as well.
Have had a couple of BSODs in two days, mostly when waking from sleep.
The automatic orientation rotation is super fast at least ten times faster and smoother than Win 7 !!
Overall a very good experience......
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Yep, Win8 on a Slate runs so far better than Win7 it's like the Tablet goes to warp speed! (W500) If fact I had a little trouble initially using win8 after installation because I was dragging my fingers sooo hard on the screen in order to enable a touch command, which didn't work! Turns out the touch is sooo sensitive you just need to brush your finger across the screen in order to access the Charms, Tabs, and switches!
Buttery smooth!
Posting from a W500 on Windows 8 right now, Windows 8 is absolutely made for it. That said, the metro browser is the only useful metro app and it's completely unstable.... but very snappy when it works. Since this is such an early version I have high hopes.
Side note: has anyone gotten the accelerometer working in 64-bit? Acer doesn't provide drivers and the manufacturer (Bosch) doesn't seem to either.
Had some issues with Accelerometer myself, although it was on the 32bit version.
You can try these options, however if it doesnt't work then you'll need to revert/re-install the 32bit version.
First, see if the bosch drivers install for 64bit, if they do then you can procede if they don' t then you won't have a functional G-sensor for 64bit.
Secondly, if the above works, you need to install the Acer ATI graphics driver (d/l from acer site, also the Application HID driver & Device Control won't hurt either)
After installation (and restart, yay!) Open the AMD Vision Engine Control Center program from the program list, it will tell you there is a compatibility conflict and do you wish to revert to .Net 3.5.1 (or whatever), Select yes. It will then download this driver from the net, and after installation: Voila!
(Of course you could just go into Windows Resources and revert to the aformentioned drivers, but the above was just to make sure )
Hope that works for you!
THis might help:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2393329,00.asp
I ordered one of those even before this report came out. I will try it out and let you know how it goes!
Runs on Panasonic H1\H2
It's possible to run Windows 8 on Android with all multitouch and other tablet features! Check this video. Cool?
I think it's a great way to play with Windows 8, without throwing money on a new expensive tablet. And even better it's possible to use additional Android features like Android voice text input on Windows.
Windows 8 running on Samsung Galaxy Tab tablet and Android!
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Not even close. This is just spam.
@decatf u no understand cloud computing?
Does user really cares how and where it runs? No, the most important part is that it allows to use Win 8 on the tablet. Even more, use it with all the multitouch and tablet stuff like a normal Microsoft Surface, but with the PC power.
This is not Windows 8 running on the Samsung Galaxy Tab. This is nothing more than a remote desktop.
Technically you are correct, Windows is running on the server and tablet is just a client.
Though by "running" I mean one way of using Windows 8 on an Android tablet. And it might even be one of the best ways of using Win 8 on a tablet, because of a performance, battery efficiency, extra features and how easy is to set everything up. Yes, it has some trade-offs, it requires a fast connectivity and UI fluidity depends on connection.. but still it's a valid way of using Windows on a tablet. Even more advanced way, because all the latest and greatest technology moves to remote computing so called cloud.
I wouldn't underestimate it because of that it doesn't technically run a tablet itself.. who really cares?
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I wouldn't underestimate it because of that it doesn't technically run a tablet itself.. who really cares?
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The ones who have been looking to run arm Win8 natively on the tablet. You should rename the title of your thread to something more appropriate like running Win8 with remote desktop or in a "cloud" though technically its not a cloud.
Interesting read.
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Why does it matters?
It's slow, first of all... You can clearly see the lag in windows animation, and don't even try to watch an animation with remote desktop, it's unbearable!
And, you NEED another computer/server to work it... So, this mean getting at least the hardware required, plus the licenses. Which would mean spending more than a Windows 8 tablet that would run smoother and natively.
Remote use is useful in small bites
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Technically you are correct, Windows is running on the server and tablet is just a client.
Though by "running" I mean one way of using Windows 8 on an Android tablet. And it might even be one of the best ways of using Win 8 on a tablet, because of a performance, battery efficiency, extra features and how easy is to set everything up. Yes, it has some trade-offs, it requires a fast connectivity and UI fluidity depends on connection.. but still it's a valid way of using Windows on a tablet. Even more advanced way, because all the latest and greatest technology moves to remote computing so called cloud.
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I use my Tab to run Windows XP when I am away from my office for a few hours. Using a blue tooth keyboard makes it pretty usable but having used Win8 I can definitely see where it would be easier with a touch screen. But it's not like being in front of the local OS. I also don't find Win8 very much fun without a touch screen anyway. I doubt anyone will get it to work natively on a Tab. So you are both right. It's not like being there but it's useful in small bites.
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Another thing that even $500 Microsoft Surface doesn't run any of standard Windows apps (only crap apps for Metro). And a full featured Surface Pro is super thick, heavy and even more insanely expensive $1000.
So it turns out that Windows 8 through remote desktop is one the best options for those, who want full featured Win 8 on a tablet.
Splashtop 2 updated its gestures to match Win 8. Pretty awesome since animations are almost seamless compared to remote desktop.
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Another thing that even $500 Microsoft Surface doesn't run any of standard Windows apps (only crap apps for Metro). And a full featured Surface Pro is super thick, heavy and even more insanely expensive $1000.
So it turns out that Windows 8 through remote desktop is one the best options for those, who want full featured Win 8 on a tablet.
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Or you could buy a x86/x64 tablet and run it natively, for less...
Not even possible.. windows 8 is not an open source..
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You do realise most x86/x64 tablet would come with Windows 8 already installed?
The main conscern exists: You have to pay for either a computer or a "server", for the nescessary license and you still won't be able to play videos or have a "lag free" experience like if you'd get a Win8 (with an intel atom or a core i3) and run every thing natively
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I had done the same thing a few days ago and thought it was pretty cool , here how it works on my galaxy tab , I also have a video with it on my nexus 7 but that was before I worked out a few of the lag bugs.
I've also tested it off my local network and it has about the same performance since the bandwidth used by spashtop peaks around 250kbps this is ideal for goofing off with and having the feel of windows 8 on an android tablet. and I was able to verify that the multi touch works with 10 points ( not sure about any more only have ten fingers )
http://youtu.be/zYVPq_zUBWE
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ShawnsCompRepair said:
I had done the same thing a few days ago and thought it was pretty cool , here how it works on my galaxy tab , I also have a video with it on my nexus 7 but that was before I worked out a few of the lag bugs.
I've also tested it off my local network and it has about the same performance since the bandwidth used by spashtop peaks around 250kbps this is ideal for goofing off with and having the feel of windows 8 on an android tablet. and I was able to verify that the multi touch works with 10 points ( not sure about any more only have ten fingers )
http://youtu.be/zYVPq_zUBWE
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Its pretty lag free , for the most part . but when I first installed it, it was very sluggish. after adjusting the the cpu speeds on my tablet it started running smoother, just crank your minimum tablet cpu speed up to about 500mhz and it gets rid of most the lag, then on the virtual machine give it as much ram as you can , in this video I gave the virtual machine 4 cores and 2gb of ram , but I'm now running it with 6gb of ram its about as smooth as butter.
I'm an IT professional and was on site today at an office I work with that has an IT guy that works full time there and I was " Showing him my new windows 8 tablet " and he used it for about ten minutes before saying wait a minute I though this was supposed to have a kick stand in the back, then I came clean with him and he thought it was running natively , Fun fun ....
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So I'm wanting to completely replace my laptop with a Windows x64 tablet. I also want to dual boot it with Android 4.4.2. In yall's opinion, what current Windows 8 x64 is best capable of doing this? In order to dual boot does the Windows tablet have to meet certain requirements?
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johnnyham89 said:
So I'm wanting to completely replace my laptop with a Windows x64 tablet. I also want to dual boot it with Android 4.4.2. In yall's opinion, what current Windows 8 x64 is best capable of doing this? In order to dual boot does the Windows tablet have to meet certain requirements?
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I would recommend the Asus Transformer Book Trio although it is only Android 4.2.2 at the moment and nobody has successfully rooted it yet.
It provides Win8.x in the dock and Android in the detachable screen. The 2 systems are completely discreet and can be used together (shared screen) or separately as an Android tablet and a desktop (with attached monitor) for Windows.
Personally I love it although it is a tad pricey. The only fail about it is the inclusion of an old spin drive instead of an SSD, but I pulled the 500GB HDD and installed a Samsung EVO 840 500GB SSD. The thing cold boots in 7 seconds and restarts in 10.
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I would recommend the Asus Transformer Book Trio although it is only Android 4.2.2 at the moment and nobody has successfully rooted it yet.
It provides Win8.x in the dock and Android in the detachable screen. The 2 systems are completely discreet and can be used together (shared screen) or separately as an Android tablet and a desktop (with attached monitor) for Windows.
Personally I love it although it is a tad pricey. The only fail about it is the inclusion of an old spin drive instead of an SSD, but I pulled the 500GB HDD and installed a Samsung EVO 840 500GB SSD. The thing cold boots in 7 seconds and restarts in 10.
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I had no idea that something like this existed!! Thanks! You were not lying about it being pricey. I'm really looking to put Android on a Windows 8 tablet myself. Have you heard anything about the Acer w700?
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Yes, the Book Trio is about the ONLY option, even because seems Google and MS and effectively killed the prospects of future dual-boot hardware. Despite its overprice and some ridiculous low-end specs such as slouch-slow spinning hard drive and low RAM, the Trio is an amazing device overall and I've been wanting to buy one for long time myself.. specially now that all the kinks are gone and works very well under Windows 8.1.1.
THE ONLY NO NOs are:
1) Asus positively doesn't care about this device and will NEVER publish any Android Firmware updates so you will be forever stuck with 4.2.2, and worse.
2) No one can get this rooted! No root, no deal. Period.
I think a tablet running Windows 8.1 is really all anyone would need... isn't it?
Windows 8 double interface (classic desktop and modern ui) is just intended to be a "native dual-mode" so you wouldn't need to dual-boot two different OSs so you can use it as a pure-tablet or as a mini-pc.
I understand that Windows Store is not as good as Play Store, but really I can't see anything you could do on an Android tablet that you couldn't in an even better way on a Windows 8.1 one, and anyway there are a lot of android emulators out there, in case you really need one.
Am I wrong?
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I think a tablet running Windows 8.1 is really all anyone would need... isn't it?
Windows 8 double interface (classic desktop and modern ui) is just intended to be a "native dual-mode" so you wouldn't need to dual-boot two different OSs so you can use it as a pure-tablet or as a mini-pc.
I understand that Windows Store is not as good as Play Store, but really I can't see anything you could do on an Android tablet that you couldn't in an even better way on a Windows 8.1 one, and anyway there are a lot of android emulators out there, in case you really need one.
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Unfortunately yes you are wrong. There are numerous apps that are not available for Windows that are available for Android that do not work in any of the emulators. I strongly considered getting a Surface Pro 2 and using an emulator for the apps that I must have, but all of my must have apps refused to run, or run properly, in the various emulators I tried.
I solved the issue by buying my Trio and have no regrets. I get all of my Android love and can still switch over to Windows to do the work related tasks when I need to. I have actually found some nice apps in Windows, as well as some less than stellar ones. I am a fond user of Tapatalk and can tell you that I prefer to use Tapatalk on Android than Windows. Although Tapatalk is prettier in Windows it is significantly slower. I can puruse through the forums on Android with ease, but the same actions are painfully slow in Windows.
I have several games I play in Android that have no counterpart in Windows. Gmail has no Windows client that is on par with Google's. You cannot even archive in the most popular Gmail client in Windows.
Obviously, you are a fan of Windows based on your subjective statement that there isn't anything you couldn't do in an even better way in Windows than Android and that is great. Choice is what makes technology wonderful. I recognize that both platforms excel at certain tasks and fail at others so I focus on using the OS that is the best for each task.
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I have several games I play in Android that have no counterpart in Windows. Gmail has no Windows client that is on par with Google's. You cannot even archive in the most popular Gmail client in Windows.
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Most of your post is a matter of personal opinions so I won't dispute much else. But I personally just use the built in mail app for GMail.
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Most of your post is a matter of personal opinions so I won't dispute much else. But I personally just use the built in mail app for GMail.
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I have no wish to argue, but can you archive Gmail content using Windows mail client? Metromail cannot, despite being the top ranked Gmail client in the store.
Additionally, I intentionally used terms that were objective to keep personal opinion out of my post. I compared the performance of apps across the two platforms and referred to apps that are not available natively that I use regularly. I also acknowledged that both platforms have good and bad points.
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I'm not a fan of Windows in general, I just think that Windows is much better for tablets (just because you have almost a full-featured PC) than android, in general.
I think the Mail app in Windows 8 works just fine for Gmail, but this is just my personal opinion.
I'm a fan of Android for my smartphone instead and wouldn't ever consider replacing it with a Windows Phone
I think my Windows Asus T100 and Android Nexus 7 each have their pros and cons - but I think the hassles of dual boot would be more annoying. E.g., even if there was an app for a website on Android, rebooting to use that would be more annoying than simply viewing the website in Windows. And even if say Gmail is better on Android, do I want to have to reboot just to check email?
The Trio is more interesting in that it can apparently run both together, but because the Windows portion relies on technology in the keyboard, this only works when in laptop mode - you can't access Windows at all when in tablet mode. I think this would lose one of the big advantages of a convertible - being able to pull off the tablet from the keyboard to say, show/view some photos, or a PDF.
Also consider that the Trio is significantly more expensive than say the T100 and a Nexus 7 put together. It's also heavier too (1.7Kg for Trio; versus 1.1Kg for T100 and 0.3Kg for Nexus 7). So one option if you want the best of both platforms is just to get two devices.
Gmail works with IMAP, so use any email client you like.
There are less website-wrapper apps for Windows, but I never really understood this - if using an app is so much better than the website, why aren't there apps for Windows laptop/PC users? I though the whole point of mobile apps was because devices were too rubbish/underpowered to support the website. But if you've got a PC tablet, not an oversized fisher price phone, you can just run the website