another reason to believe that Sprint GN2 may not have SIM slot.
We already know that previously Sprint Photon Q (made by Motorola) have SIM internally and unremovable. Now we know that there is another Sprint device Optimus G (made by LG) that will have the exactly similar design as far as SIM slot goes. (source here)
With the previous picture purposely a leak of Sprint GN2 device showing no SIM slot, this is likely to be a Sprint own evil doing.
And BTW I'm one very pissed about this. I 'll definitely sending a snail mail to Sprint Executive Office about how pissed I'm as a consumer regarding turning an international capable device into useless crap once the device come out. I go to Thailand every year or so to visit family member and when I am there I would definitely want to use SIM there because of the local number I can use. With unremovable SIM this is no longer possible. I'm very disappointed.
That's sucks, although I don't go over seas that much.. It would be nice to have. Tell them you Ben kohn bah and your red shirt friends don't approve of this.
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Unfortunately most sprint users including myself really don't care that much although it would be great to have definitely not a deal breaker for most and most won't care. I feel your pain as I do go over seas but I don't use my sprint phone for over seas as I use my dumb phone a flip phone unlocked cheapo for traveling. But I'm in ur corner for *****in and moaning hopefully one day it will be different either way just get the damn device in stock and I'm happy
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Unfortunately most sprint users including myself really don't care that much although it would be great to have definitely not a deal breaker for most and most won't care. I feel your pain as I do go over seas but I don't use my sprint phone for over seas as I use my dumb phone a flip phone unlocked cheapo for traveling. But I'm in ur corner for *****in and moaning hopefully one day it will be different either way just get the damn device in stock and I'm happy
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It appears that this is the route they are going now. I wonder why that is? Does using the embedded SIM force you to use a Sprint International plan, for out of country use?
pardon my ignorance, but isn't the "international" version GSM...and sprint's, obviously gonna be CDMA? and as such, no SIM card?
---at least i've always assumed that SIM cards is something GSM phones use, while CDMA phones do not.
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pardon my ignorance, but isn't the "international" version GSM...and sprint's, obviously gonna be CDMA? and as such, no SIM card?
---at least i've always assumed that SIM cards is something GSM phones use, while CDMA phones do not.
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You're right, but some CDMA phones have radios that support at least EDGE on GSM so you can still text and make phone calls overseas (and if you unlock, you could run them on Tmo and AT&T).
However, the question is if the radios will even support the EDGE GSM bands... probably not though.
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pardon my ignorance, but isn't the "international" version GSM...and sprint's, obviously gonna be CDMA? and as such, no SIM card?
---at least i've always assumed that SIM cards is something GSM phones use, while CDMA phones do not.
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All of Verizon's LTE phones have a SIM card slot and all of their recent phones also have GSM/HSPA radios for global roaming. I believe some can even run on T-Mobile and ATT's frequencies if you are lucky. But LTE will be Verizon only.
would it be possible to flash a Verizon Note 2 to Sprint in order to have one with a SIM card?
There are so much of competition in market, they skipping features users can easily find alternative. Bad for users but too bad for manufactures. They should understand
Not sure if you saw, but someone has figured out how to remove the embedded SIM in the Photon Q and replace it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32593285#post32593285
Yea, but whose brave soul gonna do that on not even a month old GN2. And that's beside the point. Seriously, to me it seem like it would cost the manufacturor even more to make the SIM embeded than regular one.
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It appears that this is the route they are going now. I wonder why that is? Does using the embedded SIM force you to use a Sprint International plan, for out of country use?
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my guess Is That and it decreases fraud. I.e. new accounts created simply to obtain discounted phones that can be used overseas ...then the accounts go bad
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I mean how many sprint phones even support GSM EDGE bands?
I don't use Sprint, so I don't know for a fact, but don't their phones usually only run on CDMA (I've only ever heard of Verizon CDMA "world-phones")
I know that the old Touch Pro 2(wm6) and Photon 4G both have dual GSM/CDMA chip in them and they both have SIM slot.
whats the significance in not having a sim card cause it seems like a good thing to me. unless its like tmobile and att network where you can get gsm phones
The significant isn't about whether it have SIM or not. I mean for most people in the US I think we can get by w/o it. I mean it's like once every year or two that people would go outside the country and can make use of it. So it wouldn't be like a final decision whether to get one w/ or w/o SIM. And you are right there are also AT&T and T-mobile. But I can say the for some people it's about the network in their local, while for other it may simply be about not going back to the service they have bad experience with. To me it's about cost, since I'm a Sprint SERO Premium account owner. But very, it's more about why walking the low path? The phone would have been technically capable of it, the chipset, modem, antana support it. This is more about why purposely redesign it to lock it down to a specific network, greed, basically.
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I know that the old Touch Pro 2(wm6) and Photon 4G both have dual GSM/CDMA chip in them and they both have SIM slot.
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Yes, the Sprint HTC Touch Pro 2 most certainly had a SIM card slot. I had a few of them before making the jump to android with my EVO 4G. It was a nice feature to have on a "Business" phone, which is what the TP2 was geared towards. The productivity of the Note 2 also can be geared for Business users, a SIM slot would be of great use.
Ohh okk that makes sense. Cause I never go out of the country so its not that big of a deal for me. But I guess I'd you travel a lot it would be better to have one
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my guess Is That and it decreases fraud. I.e. new accounts created simply to obtain discounted phones that can be used overseas ...then the accounts go bad
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DING DING DING!! Bingo
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DING DING DING!! Bingo
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Apparently Verizon figured out how to do it properly as they previously have had CDMA, but now allow removable SIM cards for their LTE world-phones. Sprint is now the only provider that locks their phones down like this- it's very frustrating. I am paying for a brand new device that is inherently compatible as a world-phone, but I must buy a separate device to use over seas so that I don't get raped with Sprint's international calling/data plans. RIDICULOUS! These kind of tactics are out of the apple playbook- limit the options of your customers, so you can squeeze em.
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Sorry if this has been answered but I'm on the xda app and can't search. I'm thinking about getting this phone and unlocking it to work on T-Mobiles network. How cross compatible is it? Will it work with the T-Mobile "4G"?
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Sorry if this has been answered but I'm on the xda app and can't search. I'm thinking about getting this phone and unlocking it to work on T-Mobiles network. How cross compatible is it? Will it work with the T-Mobile "4G"?
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Nope, you will only get 2G (EDGE).
t-mobile and at&t use different 3G frequencies, so if you unlock it you will only get EDGE speeds. Not worthy IMO, you have lots of options in your country, i would recommend to wait for the samsung galaxy s II phone.
Will work on the network but data will be at Edge speeds, not 4G.
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Just get the new nexus s and enjoy 2.3.3 and new nfc features and 3 axis gyroscope for wii like control over games and updates first and super Smiled screen lol
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Just get the new nexus s and enjoy 2.3.3 and new nfc features and 3 axis gyroscope for wii like control over games and updates first and super Smiled screen lol
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On the new Nexus S - if you run out of internal storage - what size memory card can you add? Oh, wait they left off the SD card slot on that model. But those super AMOLED screens are really easy on the battery right? Oh wait, if the screen is black they use less juice but not otherwise.
Sorry, had to pick on you. Suffered with the captivate for 8 months..... yeah i drank the Koolaid - now i know better - but samsung sure can spin it.
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On the new Nexus S - if you run out of internal storage - what size memory card can you add? Oh, wait they left off the SD card slot on that model. But those super AMOLED screens are really easy on the battery right? Oh wait, if the screen is black they use less juice but not otherwise.
Sorry, had to pick on you. Suffered with the captivate for 8 months..... yeah i drank the Koolaid - now i know better - but samsung sure can spin it.
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Just ignore him, hes been trolling all over the Atrix forums. The gyroscope in his phone apparently makes his keyboard so fast that he cant use punctuation.
Unfortunately NOT ...
Inspite every where they said you'll only get EDGE , I Saw one guy saying he got 4G on simple mobile which uses the TMO towers sometimes (both have same frequencies)!!!
I bought the ATRIX on TMO and for 2 days now only EDGE
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Unfortunately NOT ...
Inspite every where they said you'll only get EDGE , I Saw one guy saying he got 4G on simple mobile which uses the TMO towers sometimes (both have same frequencies)!!!
I bought the ATRIX on TMO and for 2 days now only EDGE
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nowhere do they say you can use an att phone on t mobile 3G. it's been known for years that their frequencies are different and incompatible. you just didn't do your homework before purchasing.
I knew 99% it won't work but i took the challenge anyway ..
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nowhere do they say you can use an att phone on t mobile 3G. it's been known for years that their frequencies are different and incompatible. you just didn't do your homework before purchasing.
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don't judge me ... I did my homework
... Just kinding
Actually make search for (atrix on t mobile) you'll find another disscussion about the same topic and will find the guy that I menstioned before ...
As New user I'm not allowed to post links but that what he said exactly
"Yo I got it to work with simple mobile with their 4g. Just go to gsmhosting forums and buy a code from their advertised sites. They email it to you in 5 minutes, just input imei and that it."
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Actually make search for (atrix on t mobile) you'll find another disscussion about the same topic and will find the guy that I menstioned before ...
As New user I'm not allowed to post links but that what he said exactly
"Yo I got it to work with simple mobile with their 4g. Just go to gsmhosting forums and buy a code from their advertised sites. They email it to you in 5 minutes, just input imei and that it."
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That code process is to unlock the phone to enable it to be used with networks other than AT&T. But that doesn't get you data speed any faster than 2G/Edge using an Atrix on T-Mobile's network.
I'm a little confused here. You guys are saying that the Atrix will only get 2G/EDGE speeds on TMobile because the frequencies are different.
I am currently using the Nexus One.. how is it that I'm getting 3G speeds with a phone that is compatible with both AT&T and TMobile then??
Doesnt this mean that the Atrix should be able to get 3G speeds as long as it has the appropriate software? or am I not understanding something..
There are 2 kinds of nexus ones.. one with AWS bands (tmobile) and one with the regular 850/1900 (ATT). That's why you see them work on both tmobile and att. But a single device won't work on both bands.
It is a hardware issue. No software flashing will be able to fix it. If you bought the wrong one then you're stuck with it.
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don't judge me ... I did my homework
... Just kinding
Actually make search for (atrix on t mobile) you'll find another disscussion about the same topic and will find the guy that I menstioned before ...
As New user I'm not allowed to post links but that what he said exactly
"Yo I got it to work with simple mobile with their 4g. Just go to gsmhosting forums and buy a code from their advertised sites. They email it to you in 5 minutes, just input imei and that it."
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False. There's not a chance in the world that is true. T-Mo USA and AT&T use mutually exclusive bands. No carrier-branded phones carry both bands. The only modern phone that carries bands necessary for 3/4G on either network would be the upcoming, not-for-sale/developer-only Nokia N950.
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False. There's not a chance in the world that is true. T-Mo USA and AT&T use mutually exclusive bands. No carrier-branded phones carry both bands. The only modern phone that carries bands necessary for 3/4G on either network would be the upcoming, not-for-sale/developer-only Nokia N950.
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The Nokia N8 and E7 also have the 3G frequencies necessary for both At&t and T-mobile, as well as Europe/Asia (850/900/1700/1900/2100). However, I agree with you that no At&t/T-mobile branded device carries all the needed bands.
http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-Touchscreen-Featuring-Navigation-Camera-U-S/dp/B003ZX7RL4
http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-Unlocked-Touchscreen-Navigation-Camera-U-S/dp/B0046LTU9G
Vibrant can be used on T-Mo and AT&T as well
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There are 2 kinds of nexus ones.. one with AWS bands (tmobile) and one with the regular 850/1900 (ATT). That's why you see them work on both tmobile and att. But a single device won't work on both bands.
It is a hardware issue. No software flashing will be able to fix it. If you bought the wrong one then you're stuck with it.
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Ah, I see. I didnt realize that there are 2 types of the Nexus One.
I had assumed that since they are not branded by any carriers that they were all the same device.
Thanks
I was really hoping to have my TZones internet plan, which runs at 3G speeds on the Nexus, run on an unlocked Atrix but that doesn't look possible.
Are there any phones newer than the Nexus One that will work with Tmobile 3G and are unbranded by Tmobile?
The branded Tmo android phones lock out my Tzones.
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Ah, I see. I didnt realize that there are 2 types of the Nexus One.
I had assumed that since they are not branded by any carriers that they were all the same device.
Thanks
I was really hoping to have my TZones internet plan, which runs at 3G speeds on the Nexus, run on an unlocked Atrix but that doesn't look possible.
Are there any phones newer than the Nexus One that will work with Tmobile 3G and are unbranded by Tmobile?
The branded Tmo android phones lock out my Tzones.
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Here's a list of phones that will work with tmobile 3G. Take your pick. You may have to source it from somewhere else if you wish to buy it unlocked and unbranded.
The Nexus S is unlocked and unbranded even if you get it from tmobile. But since you are coming from the Nexus One, it is up to you if its worth the upgrade. Other than the Nexus S, have a look at dual core phones.
http://www.gsmarena.com/results.php...nes=0&sColor=&StandBy=0&TalkTime=0&sFreeText=
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i am currently running atrix 4g on system version 4.5.141 and android version 2.3.6.. I am rooted and have and unlocked boot loader. I also got the unlock code for my phone and it was successful and i am now running T-mobile sim chip i am only getting the Edge .. I have a thought as if you could change the phone frequency settings with sqlite editor i mean if you can disable the entitlement_check to enable theathering with AT&T's 2gb plan then we should be able to figure out how to change the frequency ratings of the phone to be able to run on t-mobiles 4g ... I wish that someone with a little more Knowledge could help out with this..
Hi I wanted to buy this pone from amazon, but the thing is that I would buy the sprint versión with no contract and I don't live in the US, so my question is, can I unlock this pone to use it with any other company? like Movistar? I read that the pone was GSM so I thought it would be posible, however I won't take the risk of paying 590 dollars for a pone that I can't use, thanks
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Won't work. Sprint is NOT gsm
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hyelton said:
Won't work. Sprint is NOT gsm
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if you dont know dont tell !! sprint s4 (gsm-cdma) but gsm its locked (low level lock )
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if you dont know dont tell !! sprint s4 (gsm-cdma) but gsm its locked (low level lock )
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What do you mean if I dont know dont tell? What does that supposed to mean?
I KNOW my Cellular Networks!
Sprint is a CDMA Network!
The ONLY part about sprint that is NOT CDMA is LTE which the sim card slot is LOCKED to sprint.
They MIGHT be a fix but right now there is NOT. Some of the older phones like the Moto Photon its not LTE but its a world phone and people could flash a few things and make it work, But only EDGE in the USA anyway.
But as of right now and problay for a while its NOT going to work.
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What do you mean if I dont know dont tell? What does that supposed to mean?
I KNOW my Cellular Networks!
Sprint is a CDMA Network!
The ONLY part about sprint that is NOT CDMA is LTE which the sim card slot is LOCKED to sprint.
They MIGHT be a fix but right now there is NOT. Some of the older phones like the Moto Photon its not LTE but its a world phone and people could flash a few things and make it work, But only EDGE in the USA anyway.
But as of right now and problay for a while its NOT going to work.
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Thats right sprint CDMA provider YES! but sprint announce more cdma-gsm phones (like blackberry) now sprint sell locked phones (htcone , S4)and this man need know maybe he unlock phone for him country(i think he live in spain(movistar as i know its spain company! right now he not can use gsm in this phone but i think i found solution maybe via nv maybe via modem patch !
sorry for my english )its not my own language !
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Thats right sprint CDMA provider YES! but sprint announce more cdma-gsm phones (like blackberry) now sprint sell locked phones (htcone , S4)and this man need know maybe he unlock phone for him country(i think he live in spain(movistar as i know its spain company! right now he not can use gsm in this phone but i think i found solution maybe via nv maybe via modem patch !
sorry for my english )its not my own language !
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Modem patch is not even possible with this phone right now... The phones are ONLY meant to run on GSM for LTE data and NOTHING ELSE
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Modem patch is not even possible with this phone right now... The phones are ONLY meant to run on GSM for LTE data and NOTHING ELSE
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bro you not right ! not only for lte data ! if we unlock this phone we can use it in at&t voice and data and t-mobile too ! belive me i know all about samsung phones !!
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bro you not right ! not only for lte data ! if we unlock this phone we can use it in at&t voice and data and t-mobile too ! belive me i know all about samsung phones !!
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I expect Sprint will provide a method soon to unlock the GSM and UMTS functions in the phone to be able to use it internationally. However, I don't expect the GSM and UMTS functions to operate inside the US. Sprint has always disabld them on GSM capable Android and iOS devices it sells.
I don't see why it wouldn't work for you as long as you can get it unlocked.
Sprint is not going to unlock it for you unless you are a long time customer or have the phone with them for 90 days.
hyelton is completely wrong though.. the sim does authenticate lte on sprint but also acts as a gsm sim internationally.
you can also remove the sim and insert any international sim once unlocked providing the carrier uses the correct bands.
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Modem patch is not even possible with this phone right now... The phones are ONLY meant to run on GSM for LTE data and NOTHING ELSE
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You are all kinds of WRONG.
Sprint's GS4 is fully capable of voice and data on international GSM/HSPA+/UMTS 850/900/1900/2100MHz networks. You have to request Sprint to unlock your phone's sim (or find a work around if you're not a Sprint customer), but once unlocked you can pop in any international sim and it will WORK JUST FINE on international GSM networks, they don't have to support LTE. Heck the only thing preventing the SG4 from working on US GSM networks is Sprint locked the Sim from using USofA GSM carrier sim cards.
As long as the OP can get their Sprint SG4 sim unlocked, they can pop in their international sim and use the GSM in their country NO PROBLEM like any other GSM phone.
SO ONCE AGAIN, Sprint's SG4 has a fully functioning GSM modem that supports international carrier GSM/HSPA+/UMTS 850/900/1900/2100MHz bands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You would think someone with almost 2,000 posts and who made a statement like "I KNOW my Cellular Networks!" would know better. Do yourself a huge favor and actually know what you're talking about before you go spouting off again, because you really made yourself look like an ignorant fool.
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You are all kinds of WRONG.
Sprint's GS4 is fully capable of voice and data on international GSM/HSPA+/UMTS 850/900/1900/2100MHz networks. You have to request Sprint to unlock your phone's sim (or find a work around if you're not a Sprint customer), but once unlocked you can pop in any international sim and it will WORK JUST FINE on international GSM networks, they don't have to support LTE. Heck the only thing preventing the SG4 from working on US GSM networks is Sprint locked the Sim from using USofA GSM carrier sim cards.
As long as the OP can get their Sprint SG4 sim unlocked, they can pop in their international sim and use the GSM in their country NO PROBLEM like any other GSM phone.
SO ONCE AGAIN, Sprint's SG4 has a fully functioning GSM modem that supports international carrier GSM/HSPA+/UMTS 850/900/1900/2100MHz bands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You would think someone with almost 2,000 posts and who made a statement like "I KNOW my Cellular Networks!" would know better. Do yourself a huge favor and actually know what you're talking about before you go spouting off again, because you really made yourself look like an ignorant fool.
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Well YES you can easily use your phone overseas, But it was POSTED in the Sprint Forum which is ONLY in the USA and in which using it does NOT apply in the USA. And to get the phone unlocked I`m not sure if a regular unlocking company would be able to do it someone with a sprint account would and it would be MUCH more trouble than just to pick up a ACTUAL GSM carriers Version of the phone.( I should had just said that to begin with) Its VERY pointless to TRY and want to use the sprint Version when they are SEVERAL OTHER varrients that are GSM they could have got to use.
EXCEPT... the op specifically said they wanted to purchase it from Amazon America to use on their country's GSM network.
Why they want to do that? WHO KNOWS, maybe it might be cheaper doing it this way, but that is what they want to do and despite all your unnecessary wrongful information, the OP can do what they asked as long as they can get the sim unlocked.
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EXCEPT... again EXCEPT the op specifically said they wanted to purchase it from Amazon America to use on their country's GSM network.
Why they want to do that? WHO KNOWS, maybe it might be cheaper doing it this way, but that is what they want to do.
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I sell on Amazon and Most people wont ship out of the USA on Amazon. Mostly only Candia but Ive tried ordering a lot of things overseas and 90% I cant as they wont ship here
Amazon sells the Sprint for $599 this is probably why. I bought mine at Best Buy and had them price match Amazon for that price.
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Yea but out of country cant buy FROM sprint...
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Looks like everyone here is an expert in this matter but so far haven't seen a single link to reputable sources... OP call sprint international department and get answer straight from the carrier (888) 226-7212
Even IF the phone is capable of being used in GSM bands internationally, you would have to get it unlocked by sprint and they change policies all the time so just call..
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I got my phone unlocked for international use. I contacted sprint international services. I was initially told that you have to be activated for at least 90 days before they could unlock the phone but would forward my request to some department. After one day I got a email that my phone has been unlocked.
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I got my phone unlocked for international use. I contacted sprint international services. I was initially told that you have to be activated for at least 90 days before they could unlock the phone but would forward my request to some department. After one day I got a email that my phone has been unlocked.
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They unlocked Sprint Galaxy 4?
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They unlocked Sprint Galaxy 4?
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Yea.... but it ONLY works internationally AND you have to be a sprint customer.
The POINT I have been trying to get across is that people need to understand Sprint is a CDMA carrier and ONLY relies on GSM for LTE. I think what people think is that they are solely a gsm carrier like most of the world is but its NOT
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I know how everyone is quick to shoot down people for double posting, but I've tried to search and perhaps my keywords are off but my question is:
Can the Sprint version of the Samsung Galaxy S4 be used on GSM networks?
I'm pretty sure I remember that Note2 and SG3 had no sim slots...but this one does.
Please don't tell me that it's for the LTE data (like in the Metro PCS version of the SG3), it would be hard for me to swallow that because they barely even have 4g in metro areas as it is.
Not sure how you missed this topic, it's been discussed many times. Do a search for sim lock in this forum.
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I know how everyone is quick to shoot down people for double posting, but I've tried to search and perhaps my keywords are off but my question is:
Can the Sprint version of the Samsung Galaxy S4 be used on GSM networks?
I'm pretty sure I remember that Note2 and SG3 had no sim slots...but this one does.
Please don't tell me that it's for the LTE data (like in the Metro PCS version of the SG3), it would be hard for me to swallow that because they barely even have 4g in metro areas as it is.
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i dont know what 4g coverage you are talking about, my metro sgs3 gets great 4g coverage (just terrible metropcs speeds )
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I know how everyone is quick to shoot down people for double posting, but I've tried to search and perhaps my keywords are off but my question is:
Can the Sprint version of the Samsung Galaxy S4 be used on GSM networks?
I'm pretty sure I remember that Note2 and SG3 had no sim slots...but this one does.
Please don't tell me that it's for the LTE data (like in the Metro PCS version of the SG3), it would be hard for me to swallow that because they barely even have 4g in metro areas as it is.
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Don't quote me on this cause I may be absolutely wrong, I have read all the threads in my spare time but this topic doesn't apply to me so I may have misread.
From what I gather, the Sim is for LTE, but you can use it on international GSM networks outside of the USA.
But I read something about being able to get Sprint to unlock it for you after you've been a customer for a certain amount of time or something like that. I don't know if this is true or not tho.
From what I have read though the general consensus is that the first statement is true at least.
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shabbypenguin said:
i dont know what 4g coverage you are talking about, my metro sgs3 gets great 4g coverage (just terrible metropcs speeds )
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No no...MetroPCS phones are CDMA, but I heard the sim portion is for the 4g LTE Data...not a slot to allow for GSM usage, that is what I was referring to...sorry to confuse anyone.
It is a cat3 sim card there for LTE im sure it can be unlocked for international use only not on US GSM but again im sure it can be unlocked to use anywhere. There are some smart people on xda and will figure it out.
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Don't quote me on this cause I may be absolutely wrong, I have read all the threads in my spare time but this topic doesn't apply to me so I may have misread.
From what I gather, the Sim is for LTE, but you can use it on international GSM networks outside of the USA.
But I read something about being able to get Sprint to unlock it for you after you've been a customer for a certain amount of time or something like that. I don't know if this is true or not tho.
From what I have read though the general consensus is that the first statement is true at least.
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Is the Sprint LTE network even live? LOL...I swear I haven't seen it active anywhere near my area.
But, if indeed it is a Sim Slot for LTE AND International GSM, I can't see how it would just be for International.
From what I've heard, I could be wrong because of bad info, that all the S4s have cdma/gsm chips and is basically a world phone.
I still have a hard time swallowing the fact that MetroPCS SG3's sim slot is really only for LTE...so like, Samsung made that phone ESPECIALLY for the small carrier? Doesn't compute. Maybe on the software end.
So, that's why I'm believing that Sprint's S4 can be tapped for GSM usage, not just for International but for the US...I don't see how if it is unlocked, that it could differentiate between a U.S. sim chip and foreign one.
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No no...MetroPCS phones are CDMA, but I heard the sim portion is for the 4g LTE Data...not a slot to allow for GSM usage, that is what I was referring to...sorry to confuse anyone.
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im well aware of teh metropcs sgs3 . i was replying with regards to metro's 4g network
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Is the Sprint LTE network even live? LOL...I swear I haven't seen it active anywhere near my area.
But, if indeed it is a Sim Slot for LTE AND International GSM, I can't see how it would just be for International.
From what I've heard, I could be wrong because of bad info, that all the S4s have cdma/gsm chips and is basically a world phone.
I still have a hard time swallowing the fact that MetroPCS SG3's sim slot is really only for LTE...so like, Samsung made that phone ESPECIALLY for the small carrier? Doesn't compute. Maybe on the software end.
So, that's why I'm believing that Sprint's S4 can be tapped for GSM usage, not just for International but for the US...I don't see how if it is unlocked, that it could differentiate between a U.S. sim chip and foreign one.
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they made the SCH-R530, it was used on 3 carriers. we tried everything under the sun and it would not work with any form of sim. and i dont see why the continued attack on metropcs? they are doing a reverse merger with tmobile, as in metropcs is shouldering tmobile (you know the 4th largest carrier?)
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But, if indeed it is a Sim Slot for LTE AND International GSM, I can't see how it would just be for International.
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Very simple, Sprint has the OEM disable the device such that it won't accept any SIMs from any other US carriers and/or program the radio such that it ignores any GSM signal tied to American carriers. This is absolutely nothing new though... Sprint has done this on every Adroid or iOS GSM-capable device they've sold in the past three or four years (HTC TP2, Moto Photon 4G, iPhone...).
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Is the Sprint LTE network even live? LOL...I swear I haven't seen it active anywhere near my area.
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Yes, it's been rolling out slowly for a long time. I live in San Francisco and it's incredibly fast. I'm one of the lucky ones that lives in a major city though.
And for the answer to the rest of your post, read above. ^^
Like I said that was the general consensus of every post I have read here. Hopefully someone can explain it to you more technically if that's what your looking for.
Good luck!
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Thanks for the info guys...I appreciate the comments and feedback on this subject.
Hello guys, is there any way I could unlock my Galaxy S IV to use internationally, other than calling to sprint getting the unlock code, because Ive already tried that and the phone has to be active at least 90 days...Please let me know if there are any other ways. I tried to search the forum first but could not find my answer. Thanks...
ajigago1 said:
Hello guys, is there any way I could unlock my Galaxy S IV to use internationally, other than calling to sprint getting the unlock code, because Ive already tried that and the phone has to be active at least 90 days...Please let me know if there are any other ways. I tried to search the forum first but could not find my answer. Thanks...
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So I'm just like you ..I bought a Galaxy S 4 from Amazon U.S. via Sprint ..I am of the population of Dubai in the Middle East ..I had never visited America ..The device does not accept any slice is Sprint slice ..I hope to resolve this issue for those who know
How many of these threads are we going to keep seeing.
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How many of these threads are we going to keep seeing.
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If you really think about this question alot, I would say that no one has really given them a definitive answer. Now that I have helped you out with your question probably you can help these people with an answer to their woes.
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If you really think about this question alot, I would say that no one has really given them a definitive answer. Now that I have helped you out with your question probably you can help these people with an answer to their woes.
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It really has. Just people are tired of saying NO. So the questions either get danced around of ignored. If people want to use a phone internationally, they should have gotten a GSM phone. There is a reason why CDMA phones are cheaper, especially Sprint. They only work here without any hassle. And that's never going to change. End of story.
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It really has. Just people are tired of saying NO. So the questions either get danced around of ignored. If people want to use a phone internationally, they should have gotten a GSM phone. There is a reason why CDMA phones are cheaper, especially Sprint. They only work here without any hassle. And that's never going to change. End of story.
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Then Sprint must stop advertising them as international devices. End of story
Stealyourface said:
It really has. Just people are tired of saying NO. So the questions either get danced around of ignored. If people want to use a phone internationally, they should have gotten a GSM phone. There is a reason why CDMA phones are cheaper, especially Sprint. They only work here without any hassle. And that's never going to change. End of story.
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Still......... that answer is inaccurate and condescending. Forums here are to help , just as you took the time to post........ could it have been more positive than negative? Anyway to answer the OP................ SPH-l720 is indeed a CDMA device which has a UICC/ SIM port. This port, when using the phone in CDMA mode Sprint's UICC (sim card) activates the LTE side of things. However if you can get Sprint to release the UICC card and unlock the port for GSM use, then guess what? You have a GSM abled phone that can switch back to CDMA, which in my opinion makes the SPH-L720 and the SCH-i545 trully a World phone or viable international mobile. So that takes care of that bit, the phone IS capable of GSM.
What if I am already out of the country??? You can still get it activated via Sprint international...... but this is not why you are on XDA looking for a solution. The reason why you are here is for some reason Sprint will not activate the GSM function or even calling them will not make a difference and you are looking for a software solution. Well as of the date of this post, 7/5/2013, there is none. Not to say that it will not happen but there are very few with unlocked versions of this phone to supply data needed. Usually when people get their phone's unlocked there is no need to add to the online database anymore. So have faith and patience, and I hope this helps someone and in turn someone can help me.
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Then Sprint must stop advertising them as international devices. End of story
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I have to strongly disagree with you on that because:
You most definitely can use the phone internationally, albeit while paying Sprint's outrageous international roaming rates (though of course they are not the only ones who overcharge for this functionality, all carriers charge an arm and a leg for international roaming).
Sprint will unlock the phone for contracted subscribers who wish to use the phone internationally but want to avoid paying Sprint's roaming rates.
Beyond these two items, I don't see what obligation Sprint has as far as international capability on the device towards folks who are not their subscribers. I personally don't think they have any. If those folks want GSM capability, then they shouldn't buy a Sprint branded unit.
As for the other "how many of these threads are we going to have" issue... Well, I second that sentiment! What bothers me is that people are too lazy to do a search, instead opening a new thread on this question. I almost wish any time a mod sees a question like this, answer with "answered over and over before, please do a search" and lock the thread.
myphone12345 said:
I have to strongly disagree with you on that because:
You most definitely can use the phone internationally, albeit while paying Sprint's outrageous international roaming rates (though of course they are not the only ones who overcharge for this functionality, all carriers charge an arm and a leg for international roaming).
Sprint will unlock the phone for contracted subscribers who wish to use the phone internationally but want to avoid paying Sprint's roaming rates.
Beyond these two items, I don't see what obligation Sprint has as far as international capability on the device towards folks who are not their subscribers. I personally don't think they have any. If those folks want GSM capability, then they shouldn't buy a Sprint branded unit.
As for the other "how many of these threads are we going to have" issue... Well, I second that sentiment! What bothers me is that people are too lazy to do a search, instead opening a new thread on this question. I almost wish any time a mod sees a question like this, answer with "answered over and over before, please do a search" and lock the thread.
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Entrance to the rabbit hole https://www.google.com/url?q=http:/...ds-cse&usg=AFQjCNHFeC8nuAhGoBP3neJLt7JHD1gKeQ
obender said:
Then Sprint must stop advertising them as international devices. End of story
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Nope. Sorry. When you sell subsidized phones and people take advantage of that and skip out on the contract, you have to cover your ass, hence the 90 day wait to establish a good pattern. I got mine unlocked in 30 days, but I've been a 20 line customer for 15+ years.
If you tried to get an intl phone on the cheap, then shame on you for not doing enough research. I would bet Verizon S4 a more expensive because they do come unlocked because of some fcc reg on the bandwidth their frequencies.
If your goal was to just use it internationally only, then you should very sucked it up and bought a gsm only phone. The Dubai guy never having stepped foot in the US should have purchased more wisely.
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I called Sprint to get my phone unlocked and they did it the next day. I've been a customer for almost 2 years. I bought my phone off contract though.
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GiantJay said:
I called Sprint to get my phone unlocked and they did it the next day. I've been a customer for almost 2 years. I bought my phone off contract though.
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well as you did a dump from your phone
MELVINUA said:
well as you did a dump from your phone
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What?
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tell us more as you sprint unblocked phone
enter code or other metods????
if the injected code. as you did * # #
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tell us more as you sprint unblocked phone
enter code or other metods????
if the injected code. as you did * # #
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call sprint and have them unlock your phone. its the only way.
Download - modem_FLASHABLE_MDK.zip [MD5=167fcdd5bd57e4dc78946a63c8c69d46]
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GiantJay said:
I called Sprint to get my phone unlocked and they did it the next day. I've been a customer for almost 2 years. I bought my phone off contract though.
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Can you please do nandroid backup ?and modem backup? i will try to flash it .
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Can you please do nandroid backup ?and modem backup? i will try to flash it .
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It would be good
lafester said:
call sprint and have them unlock your phone. its the only way.
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Yep. I'm a Sprint customer and I Live in the USA. I called them and they did it for me. They said press the UICC Unlock button now and it will be done. That's it. I am baffled as to why people bought a Licked CDMA Sprint phone for international GSM use permanently just because it has GSM capabilities. They just don't understand USA carriers I guess. Lol.
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Yep. I'm a Sprint customer and I Live in the USA. I called them and they did it for me. They said press the UICC Unlock button now and it will be done. That's it. I am baffled as to why people bought a Licked CDMA Sprint phone for international GSM use permanently just because it has GSM capabilities. They just don't understand USA carriers I guess. Lol.
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my phone searching gsm network in my country but phone write invalid sim.
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GiantJay said:
Yep. I'm a Sprint customer and I Live in the USA. I called them and they did it for me. They said press the UICC Unlock button now and it will be done. That's it. I am baffled as to why people bought a Licked CDMA Sprint phone for international GSM use permanently just because it has GSM capabilities. They just don't understand USA carriers I guess. Lol.
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We need copies of your phone to take the necessary files to unlock. help me and everyone here. Make a backup of your phone
Ever since my Samsung Rugby Smart... broke (don't ask how)... I have been on the hunt for a different rugged Android that comes with a relatively low price tag that supports T-Mobile either natively or through carrier unlocking. Recently the Kyocera Torque caught my eye at a Sprint store. The specifications of the phone were pleasing to me, and I saw listed on sites like eBay that a used condition Torque would be going for around 70-80 bucks. While talking to a Spint representative, pretending I was actually going to buy the phone and/or a Sprint plan, I asked him if the Torque had a SIM card slot and if it was compatible with GSM networks, such as T-Mobile (my actual carrier). He confidently gave a YES to both of my questions (he also said that in order for the phone to become unlocked, I'd need to use Sprint for 2 years and then cancel the plan and request phone unlock-age through them. No way I am getting Sprint for 2 years just for a Torque to be unlocked. Besides, there are unlocking websites which claim they will unlock this phone. Also, he probably assumed I was going to buy the phone from Sprint themselves. No way I'd ever do that! XD )
Here's where the confusion comes in. When I look online at phone specification websites like GSMArena, it states that the phone is NOT COMPATIBLE with GSM networks, and has a NON-REMOVABLE SIM card.
I am getting two different answers and I don't know which one to believe. If anyone knows the TRUE answer to this SIM card slot and GSM network compatibility conundrum, I would appreciate that they share the answer. I am excited about this phone, and if it really does support USA domestic GSM networks and all that, then I'd be buying this phone very soon.
Oh, and one more thing. Besides compatibility with GSM Networks, if this phone does support GSM, I'd also like to know if it supports high-speed data such as GPRS, HSPA, or anything like that. I have an HTC Rezound right now, and while it does support GSM Networks, it only gets 2G (EDGE) through T-Mobile. So support of 3G, and possibly beyond that, is another main factor that I would like to know about the Kyocera Torque, as it is actually one of the main reasons why I'm looking for an upgrade.
interesting
I talked to the Sprint guy again, and he took the phone apart and showed me the SIM slot. It was a Micro SIM I believe (the size right below Mini). The guy said it would work on international GSM networks, but if it was fitted with a SIM card for a United States GSM network, it would just say the phone is network-locked.
I guess the question is now this: is there a hack to "allow" or "force" the Torque to work with US GSM networks, similar to the hack for the Motorola Photon 4G (another phone I am looking into buying) that allows it to do just that?
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I guess the question is now this: is there a hack to "allow" or "force" the Torque to work with US GSM networks, similar to the hack for the Motorola Photon 4G (another phone I am looking into buying) that allows it to do just that?
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nope. and best to just avoid kyocera phones completely. kyocera is a turd of a company. they lock down the bootloader and never issue major updates. for example, the torque won't ever see kitkat. and since they lock the bootloader, you can't install a custom recovery, or a 3rd party rom.
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nope. and best to just avoid kyocera phones completely. kyocera is a turd of a company. they lock down the bootloader and never issue major updates. for example, the torque won't ever see kitkat. and since they lock the bootloader, you can't install a custom recovery, or a 3rd party rom.
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Thanks for the heads up about Kyocera being a locked bootloader turd of a company XD. Now I'll be sure to avoid them in the future. No longer interested in the Hydro Life anyway, got an LG L90 for $48 and have CM11 on it already
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Interesting thing about the torque, it is one of sprints few water resistant phones, and also has the loudest speaker phone they make in my opinion. I just bought one as a spare phone for $50. Great to keep by the pool.
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Interesting thing about the torque, it is one of sprints few water resistant phones, and also has the loudest speaker phone they make in my opinion. I just bought one as a spare phone for $50. Great to keep by the pool.
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yeah, it is a nice phone... except for their stubbornness about completely locking the device down. if they would actually make an effort to keep their phones updated i would not complain about it too much. but the fact that they lock it down AND never keep the phone updated beyond minor things is inexcusable.