Kind of burned out of flashing all these different roms. Dont get me wrong, I appreciate all the hard work everyone is providing for us. But I am burned out and wasting hours of my day flashing rom after rom etc.
So I went back to stock and rooted. But I did want to see if there was any advice on any kernel out there that I should be running with the latest stock build?
Thank you,
Whiteice
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Just wanted to try again and see if I can't get any suggestions on this please?
Thank you,
Whiteice
I did the same. I'm running this at the moment. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1831780 with my min at 475 max at 1600, interactive. Had no problems so far. Gets a little warm but nothing crazy. Gonna bump to 1800 soon and see if it can handle it.
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Der Kernel - Trinity. Comes in high OC version a96 to lower of but slightly irregularities a110 and many more. YMMV but this is a solid, customizable kernel.
Is there a secret to flashing the trinity kernel?
I reboot into TWRP, wipe cache and /dalvik 2x (old habit) flash Trinity, reboot but still shows previous kernel under settings?
Whiteice
WhiteiceDMSTech said:
Is there a secret to flashing the trinity kernel?
I reboot into TWRP, wipe cache and /dalvik 2x (old habit) flash Trinity, reboot but still shows previous kernel under settings?
Whiteice
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whats your previous kernel and whats in say in kernel version? btw, you dont need to wipe anything when flashing a kernel. anyways, only if you are coming from franco kernel you have to reflash your rom with trinity kernel(flash rom, trinity, reboot). this is because franco kernel uses its own ramdisk(frano kernel tweaks are in there). trinity and just about every other kernel use anykernel which grabs the roms ramdisk usually(unless you had frano kernel). so you want to flash your rom, then trinity, then bootup to resolve the issue. after that you can just flash the kernel. remember, no need to wipe a thing when flashing kernels.
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whats your previous kernel and whats in say in kernel version? btw, you dont need to wipe anything when flashing a kernel. anyways, only if you are coming from franco kernel you have to reflash your rom with trinity kernel(flash rom, trinity, reboot). this is because franco kernel uses its own ramdisk(frano kernel tweaks are in there). trinity and just about every other kernel use anykernel which grabs the roms ramdisk usually(unless you had frano kernel). so you want to flash your rom, then trinity, then bootup to resolve the issue. after that you can just flash the kernel. remember, no need to wipe a thing when flashing kernels.
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I am coming from the motley kernel.
WhiteiceDMSTech said:
I am coming from the motley kernel.
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redownload the trinity kernel, flash it, itll say "boom.." you cant miss it. boot up, give your device 3 minutes to set up itself, then check your about phone. if its still motley, post a screen shot please
simms22 said:
redownload the trinity kernel, flash it, itll say "boom.." you cant miss it. boot up, give your device 3 minutes to set up itself, then check your about phone. if its still motley, post a screen shot please
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Thank for your help.
Each time I flash in TWRP I see the "boom" in caps. Reboot and it says Motley+3.1.10 [email protected]#106 SMP PREEMPT Aug 23rd (date and time of it here.)
WhiteiceDMSTech said:
Thank for your help.
Each time I flash in TWRP I see the "boom" in caps. Reboot and it says Motley Aug 23rd #106
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will you post or pm me a last_kmsg? run this on a terminal emulator app from your device. there will be a file called last_kmsg.txt in your sd storage. if you can post it please, or send it to me via pm..
su(press enter)
cat /proc/last_kmsg > /sdcard/last_kmsg.txt(press enter)
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will you post or pm me a last_kmsg? run this on a terminal emulator app from your device. there will be a file called last_kmsg.txt in your sd storage. if you can post it please, or send it to me via pm..
su(press enter)
cat /proc/last_kmsg > /sdcard/last_kmsg.txt(press enter)
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OMG this is so frustrating, I did what you said and try to send it to you, or copy/paste in this thread and it says there are to many characters etc. Working on it.
Hoping this works.
Thank you for your help,
Whiteice
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How do I flash a kernal on my Wildfire? I downloaded Jacob's overclockable one.
Thanks.
Same way you flash a rom...
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kevin2516 said:
Same way you flash a rom...
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Yeah, put it on sd card, boot to recovery and flash it.
Thats what I did, it installed it or something in less then a second but nothing changed.
Kernel information didn't change ? The kernel name should change to a very long name with jacob inside.
No it didn't change, now I have a CyanogenMod rom, with Jacob's kernal but no the one that you can overclock with.
Did you try oc'ing in SetCPU? The kernel is not overclocked by default because then, some users had problems booting with the pre overclocked kernel.
SetCPU is officially available on the XDA Forums. Just perform a search.
3xeno said:
Did you try oc'ing in SetCPU? The kernel is not overclocked by default because then, some users had problems booting with the pre overclocked kernel.
SetCPU is officially available on the XDA Forums. Just perform a search.
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I have SetCPU, can you write down how to flash a kernal step by step for me?
I would really appreciate it.
Really, its the same as flashing a Custom ROM. If you were able to flash one, you should be able to flash this as well. (Restart in Recovery Mode, Install Zip from SDC)
BTW, it should show this under Settings > About Phone > Software Information > Kernel Version - [email protected] #1
This will show the kernel is successfully flashed. What is the maximum you can see in SetCPU? Is it still 528?
3xeno said:
Really, its the same as flashing a Custom ROM. If you were able to flash one, you should be able to flash this as well. (Restart in Recovery Mode, Install Zip from SDC)
BTW, it should show this under Settings > About Phone > Software Information > Kernel Version - [email protected] #1
This will show the kernel is successfully flashed. What is the maximum you can see in SetCPU? Is it still 528?
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That's exactly what is says on the kernal, and yeah the maximum I see is 528.
Hmm.. did you hit autodetect speed under device selection ?
argeoff said:
Hmm.. did you hit autodetect speed under device selection ?
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Yes I did.
Quickclock won't run, even on my rooted N7; anyone have suggestions to offer on this? jf
Get a kernel you can over clock on, maybe you should learn more about what your doing before trying stuff and will ultimately break your device.
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sway40 said:
Get a kernel you can over clock on, maybe you should learn more about what your doing before trying stuff and will ultimately break your device.
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Well, for starters, did not realize the stock ROM could not be 'clocked. I've put many ROMs on my Droid X and Nook, this is the first time I've 'played' with the N7.
Am downloading EOS ROM now... will see how that goes. jf
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Well, for starters, did not realize the stock ROM could not be 'clocked. I've put many ROMs on my Droid X and Nook, this is the first time I've 'played' with the N7.
Am downloading EOS ROM now... will see how that goes. jf
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You need to install Motley or Trinity Kernel.
After you get your rom booted, install Motley's 1.0.6 anykernel zip file in the original development section, I believe it's Build #47, by wiping cache and dalvic and flashing the zip file in recovery.
Then install an app like CPU Master or Rom Toolbox Free
And remember that when you overclock and tell it to set on boot, if the device goes into deep sleep it may wake to 1300 mhz and you will need to set it back at 1600.
Also you may want to bump your minimum CPU speed up.
hi guys,i just got my nexus 4 and rooted it and have installed pac version 22.0.1
android version 4.2.2
base band version m9615a-cefwmazm-2.0.1700.48
it has the
aokp/ cyangonmod and paranoid android build inside.
dated wed march 27th 2013
and the kernal is 3/40 vertigo
is this a good kernal to use?
i am looking for something which can give better sound quality and better life battery actually
and is this the steps if i wan t to just install a new kernal ?
i mean can i just install a new kernal?
eg : go to recovery mode then install from sd card?
I would say Franco.
Yes, you just boot into recovery mode and flash the new kernel zip file. No need to wipe anything. (although some would say wiping cache is a good idea)
Matrix or semaphore are my choices
Sent from Holy Terra on a paranoid nexus 4
I would recommend wiping cache and dalvik cache before flashing a kernel, however that is just me. I have had issues in the past when I have not wiped the cache before flashing kernels.
I have to second franco kernel. I have never had a problem with it and I cannot complain about the battery life.
and i say trinity kernel is best for me. but this thread is pointless. everyone will list whatever kernel they use, pretty soon youll have all the kernels in the forums listed. might as well read which kernels are available. anyways, theres no best kernel, theres only the kernel thats best for your needs and best for your device. you have to try them, every device react to them differently. it only takes seconds to flash a kernel. after trying them all out, only then youll find the best kernel for you and your device.
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I would recommend wiping cache and dalvik cache before flashing agasrnel, however that is just me. I have had issues in the past when I have not wiped the cache before flashing kernels.
I have to second franco kernel. I have never had a problem with it and I cannot complain about the battery life.
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wiping dalvik/cache for flashing a kernel is like wiping your ass to fill your car up with gas. it is not related. you never ever have to wipe anything when flashing a kernel. you had issues for other reasons. do you know what kernels do? do you know what the dalvik and the cache are? you best learn.
ahh franco kernal
ok, thx guys for your opinuons
im just wondering if this rom im using now .. the apc one.. is it actually heavy for my nexus.i feel its pretty fast but are there others which u think are better?as in wont use cpu so much?
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and i say trinity kernel is best for me. but this thread is pointless. everyone will list whatever kernel they use, pretty soon youll have all the kernels in the forums listed. might as well read which kernels are available. anyways, theres no best kernel, theres only the kernel thats best for your needs and best for your device. you have to try them, every device react to them differently. it only takes seconds to flash a kernel. after trying them all out, only then youll find the best kernel for you and your device.
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This ^^
Thread closed...
Hi
I am new to this and recently installed franco kernel on 4.3 Jelly Bean. I was wondering how do I change to Trinity kernel from TWRP menu I have installed on Nexus 4. I understand that I need Zip and then from TWRP I can install, but can anyone you has done it advice me?
I am looking for what I need to do in TWRP?
I am looking whether I need to go back to stock Google Kernel?
xthaparian said:
Hi
I am new to this and recently installed franco kernel on 4.3 Jelly Bean. I was wondering how do I change to Trinity kernel from TWRP menu I have installed on Nexus 4. I understand that I need Zip and then from TWRP I can install, but can anyone you has done it advice me?
I am looking for what I need to do in TWRP?
I am looking whether I need to go back to stock Google Kernel?
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since you are coming from franco kernel, this is what you should do, via your recovery..
after you download what you need, reflash your rom(dont wipe a singe thing), the gapps(if needed), and then trinity kernel. then reboot. if you are coming from any other kernel, you dont need to reflash your rom, just flash the kernel in recovery then reboot
Thanks a lot
So in this case I should just install trinity kernel as I don't have any custom rom installed and no gapps. I hope I am right as all I did was just installed Franco kernel on stock phone and that's it!
Any cache erase etc etc before i flash new kernel?
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xthaparian said:
Thanks a lot
So in this case I should just install trinity kernel as I don't have any custom rom installed and no gapps. I hope I am right as all I did was just installed Franco kernel on stock phone and that's it!
Any cache erase etc etc before i flash new kernel?
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no matter what anyone tells you, you NEVER have to wipe anything when flashing kernels, dont wipe dalvik, dont wipe cache.
well, its best to flash your rom again if coming from franco kernel, it changes your roms ramdisk. trinity grabs the available ramdisk. by reflashing your rom, trinity would grab your roms ramdisk instead of francos. but, most likely youll be fine just flashing trinity on top
Thanks again
When you say ROM, are you referring to stock ROM?
I guess I'm getting confused between which ROM you are asking me to reflash.
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xthaparian said:
Thanks again
When you say ROM, are you referring to stock ROM?
I guess I'm getting confused between which ROM you are asking me to reflash.
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stock rom. its aright if you dont reflash, youll be fine.
xthaparian said:
Hi
I am new to this and recently installed franco kernel on 4.3 Jelly Bean. I was wondering how do I change to Trinity kernel from TWRP menu I have installed on Nexus 4. I understand that I need Zip and then from TWRP I can install, but can anyone you has done it advice me?
I am looking for what I need to do in TWRP?
I am looking whether I need to go back to stock Google Kernel?
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xthaparian, can I ask you to share your experience when you do it?
I'm exactly where you are, stock ROM (4.2.2) and Franco's. It's not that I'm not satisfied with it, just wanting to try alternatives. After being a "ROM whore" with my previous phones I unfortunately didn't have time to do anything with the N4 yet..
Thanks =)
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I'll keep you guys updated..
Give me 2 hours
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OK here is the update, I never got around to install it because I think there is no 4.3 kernel available as yet. All is see is a kernel for 4.2.2
If I am wrong then someone point me to 4.3 kernel for Trinity
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OK here is the update, I never got around to install it because I think there is no 4.3 kernel available as yet. All is see is a kernel for 4.2.2
If I am wrong then someone point me to 4.3 kernel for Trinity
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tf4c http://goo.gl/hONIdT
i do all of trinitys testing, morfic(dev) doesnt have a nexus 4. this is the kernel that we are testing in the thread right now, publicly. the release kernel goes on the website. the test kernels deemed fit for the public ill post in the thread, and/or my social websites. if you cant find the latest, or have any other questions(even not kernel related), feel free to ask, we are very friendly in the trinity thread
Ooh
Installed it from twrp without wiping cache etc and installed good.
But screen flickers like really bad and not at all buttery smooth...
Any ideas?
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Ooh
Installed it from twrp without wiping cache etc and installed good.
But screen flickers like really bad and not at all buttery smooth...
Any ideas?
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go to the roms main settings, developer options, force gpu rendering, disable the disable hw overlays if they are enabled. if you dont have a developer options in your main settings, press about phone, scroll down, press build number 7 times. when you get the you are a developer now message, go back to the main settings and go into developer options.
the reason this happens is because you are running stock, which is jwr(build version) and aosp is jss. they are slightly different(some different drivers). this difference cause this. most custom kernels are jss, aosp based. franco kernel is jwr, stock based. this difference does not happen often on a nexus. btw, jss is the newest version of android. the majority of custom roms are also jss.
OK this is what I have done
I have dine as you had told and checked the box that states "disable the he overlays"
This fixed my problem but I hope this doesn't have any other effect ..
How can I install the aosp built instead of jwr ?
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OK this is what I have done
I have dine as you had told and checked the box that states "disable the he overlays"
This fixed my problem but I hope this doesn't have any other effect ..
How can I install the aosp built instead of jwr ?
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na, thats how i normally run my phone. there are many aosp builds out there in both development sections, as i said most are aosp. im using rasbean, but there are other good aosp based roms as well
Thanks a lot all!..
this seems to work.
One last thing i like to inquire is that to install the raspberry, they recommend clean wipe and then install gapps and rom. Would this erase my current backup of franco based system image i created in TWRP?
And If I wipe clean, how can I install the raspberry rom ..its all wiped isnt it!!!
Thanks @xthaparian and @simms22, I had already decided to take this weekend to try some stuff on mine, but your tries made me more forward to do it. I must confess of all my past androids N4 is, for obvious reasons, the one which has more releases to try, and ofc a lot of tricks in the way..
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Thanks a lot all!..
this seems to work.
One last thing i like to inquire is that to install the raspberry, they recommend clean wipe and then install gapps and rom. Would this erase my current backup of franco based system image i created in TWRP?
And If I wipe clean, how can I install the raspberry rom ..its all wiped isnt it!!!
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rasbean jelly! :silly:
no, your nandroid backup stays, your data gets erased though. its like starting fresh. the storage wont get touched(dont wipe the system). as soon as you log in, go through the google setup, your play store apps should start reinstalling(if you enable it). most roms will jave this or something similar written in the op.
Ok Thanks again..
BTW which gapps should I use!...
i found a link on the internet
http://www.teamandroid.com/gapps/
but simms22 your input shall be the final thing to close the thread..
xthaparian said:
Ok Thanks again..
BTW which gapps should I use!...
i found a link on the internet
http://www.teamandroid.com/gapps/
but simms22 your input shall be the final thing to close the thread..
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i hear people say these gapps for 4.3 are good, they were recently updated(8/8/13) http://goo.im/devs/paranoidandroid/roms/gapps/pa_gapps-full-4.3-20130808-signed.zip
also, you will need the latest supersu/superuser. heres the flashable supersu http://download.chainfire.eu/345/SuperSU/UPDATE-SuperSU-v1.51.zip
I downloaded all as instructed ..
I am on raspberry
I'm on trinity kernel
Let's see the performance .
One thing I noticed is that this kernel jas all 4 cores running and max is capped at 1024hz.
Also the governor is set to ondemand.
Any thoughts on this. Any other tweaks I should do to make it much better. Franco kernel was using interactive governor.
Also the GPU is ocd to 485 and stock is 400 max.
Any comments to tweak the kernel better or Tue stock setting are good!
Thanks for help
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Hey people, i recently bought a new nexus 4 and im LOVING it.
I seem to have a problem with custom kernels, i cant seem to boot up once i install one. Ive tried 3 different kernels ( Purity, Matr1x and Franco ) with the same results. here's what i do and what happens:
1) install a new rom after wiping everything in CWM recovery
2) Install Gapps
3) Install the kernel
4) Reboot
Everything installs successfully but when i boot up, after the 'Google' image when the boot animation is supposed to play out, i get a black screen with nothing on it. And the phone doesnt boot.
If i dont install the rom without the kernel, it boots up. ive also tried installing the rom, gapps and booting it and setting it up ( google account, etc ) and then go to recovery and installing the kernel, still the same results. And ive also tried using different roms and i still get the black screen
Hope ive explained everything
I have an idea that maybe i can change the default kernel that comes with the rom by copying the stuff from a kernel zip and pasting it somewhere in the rom zip. Can it be done? If yes, what exactly do i copy?
THANKS!
adil1508 said:
Hey people, i recently bought a new nexus 4 and im LOVING it.
I seem to have a problem with custom kernels, i cant seem to boot up once i install one. Ive tried 3 different kernels ( Purity, Matr1x and Franco ) with the same results. here's what i do and what happens:
1) install a new rom after wiping everything in CWM recovery
2) Install Gapps
3) Install the kernel
4) Reboot
Everything installs successfully but when i boot up, after the 'Google' image when the boot animation is supposed to play out, i get a black screen with nothing on it. And the phone doesnt boot.
If i dont install the rom without the kernel, it boots up. ive also tried installing the rom, gapps and booting it and setting it up ( google account, etc ) and then go to recovery and installing the kernel, still the same results. And ive also tried using different roms and i still get the black screen
Hope ive explained everything
I have an idea that maybe i can change the default kernel that comes with the rom by copying the stuff from a kernel zip and pasting it somewhere in the rom zip. Can it be done? If yes, what exactly do i copy?
THANKS!
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very importantly, what rom are you using? not all roms are the same. and no, you cant update a kernel that way.
simms22 said:
very importantly, what rom are you using? not all roms are the same. and no, you cant update a kernel that way.
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cant beleive i forgot to mention that. Im using the LiquidSmooth rom but i tried ALOT of roms when i wanted to install the kernel. Carbon, Purity, XenonHD, Xylon and the official CM10.1
adil1508 said:
cant beleive i forgot to mention that. Im using the LiquidSmooth rom but i tried ALOT of roms when i wanted to install the kernel. Carbon, Purity, XenonHD, Xylon and the official CM10.1
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are you on android 4.2.2 or android 4.3?
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are you on android 4.2.2 or android 4.3?
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4.2.2
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4.2.2
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ok reflash your rom and other stuff(without a custom kernel), boot up/set up, then go back and flash this trinity kernel, tf152 http://goo.gl/CDAGV7
did it boot?
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no, you cant update a kernel that way.
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Yes you can, but it depends on how the kernel is structured inside the flashable zip. If it's just a boot.img file inside, you can definitely just drag & drop it into the flashable rom zip and replace the original one. Some kernels will work, others will not. If you're going from a rom that uses franco to one that uses an original ramdisk, for example, you may run into issues, but in most cases this won't be an issue.
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ok reflash your rom and other stuff(without a custom kernel), boot up/set up, then go back and flash this trinity kernel, tf152 http://goo.gl/CDAGV7
did it boot?
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OK, ill make a backup and let you know how it goes
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OK, ill make a backup and let you know how it goes
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please..
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adil1508 said:
cant beleive i forgot to mention that. Im using the LiquidSmooth rom but i tried ALOT of roms when i wanted to install the kernel. Carbon, Purity, XenonHD, Xylon and the official CM10.1
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whats the default kernel in that liquidsmooth that youre running?
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whats the default kernel in that liquidsmooth that youre running?
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It did boot up with the trinity kernel although the app drawer didnt seem as smooth and fast and there was a problem with the widgets
And its the Liquid kernel, do u want me to type whatever is under the "kernel version"?
adil1508 said:
It did boot up with the trinity kernel although the app drawer didnt seem as smooth and fast and there was a problem with the widgets
And its the Liquid kernel, do u want me to type whatever is under the "kernel version"?
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yes please.
earlier for the franco kernel, other kernels flashed over it wouldnt boot, only flashing the other kernels with the rom would let them boot. franco kernel has modified ramdisk, framcisco had to adjust it so other kernels would boot up after. i have a feeling that something similar is whats going on with their kernel. especially since you say trinity booted but the app drawer is laggy. i bet they also have modified ramdisk(or something messed up by accident).
Kernel Version: 3.4.0-perf-g3ac0f9c [email protected] #1
adil1508 said:
Kernel Version: 3.4.0-perf-g3ac0f9c [email protected] #1
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its probably a modified stock kernel. did you ask in their thread if this is the normal behavior with custom kernels?
No actually, i didnt. I see your point but what happens with the other roms. XenonHD or Xylon, they have the same problem.
maybe its important but i coudnt get into the stock recovery before i rooted my phone. When i got into fastboot and selected recovery, i would get an android with a red triangle saying ' no command' and i had to press Volume up and power buttons to see the menu
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No actually, i didnt. I see your point but what happens with the other roms. XenonHD or Xylon, they have the same problem.
maybe its important but i coudnt get into the stock recovery before i rooted my phone. When i got into fastboot and selected recovery, i would get an android with a red triangle saying ' no command' and i had to press Volume up and power buttons to see the menu
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that android with a red triangle is the stock recovery
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adil1508 said:
No actually, i didnt. I see your point but what happens with the other roms. XenonHD or Xylon, they have the same problem.
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lots of roms here are related to one another, some very related, so more distant. liquidsmooth doesnt do much of their own coding, they pick up stuff from other roms/sources. these roms might be very similar.
but honestly, i dont know. it is a weird issue though.