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I am looking into rooting my Nexus S so I can install an ICS ROM. This is my first time rooting so got a question.
How will OTA updates work for me? Will the ICS update just work or will I have to in root to get the official OTA update?
Sry if this has been asked before couldn't find a clear answer.
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Don't do OTAs. Any update released by Google or your manufacturer will be released here, rooted, within hours.
If you take an OTA you will lose root and could even find your phone locked again (as unlikely as that is with the NS, better safe than sorry. Ask the EVO users who took the GB OTA )
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Rooting requires flashing custom recovery
OTA requires stock recovery to work properly
So if your phone has custom recovery the OTA will not work.
Alright, thanks alot for the quick responses guys.
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Once the ota is downloaded.....
* Put the zip on sdcard
* Reboot into custom recovery
* Manually flash it
* Directly after that, in the same recovery session, flash latest superuser zip
* Wipe cache
* Reboot
I run stock, so i'll add my two cents into this conversations. A few key points:
OTA's will NOT lock the boot loader
OTA's will work with CWM installed (The OTA will however remove CWM and needs to be manually applied)
OTA's will remove root access (the permissions on the binary get changed)
I have never seen an OTA on XDA that was pre-rooted. i have seen ROM packages that incorporate the OTA that are pre-rooted (installing these usually means a wipe of the device is needed)
if you replace the ROM on the phone, you will not get OTA updated. you must remain mostly stock to obtain them.
Custom kernels or custom google apps on stock roms will cause the OTA update to fail, however you will notified that the update is available.
I hope this answers your questions.
Good points.
What i do in order to maintain the full software (removing system apps, any system changes) is change the permissions of whatever i dont want to "000"
This will allow the verifying of OTA to flash.
snandlal said:
Good points.
What i do in order to maintain the full software (removing system apps, any system changes) is change the permissions of whatever i dont want to "000"
This will allow the verifying of OTA to flash.
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This does not always work, such as installing the "Black" version of gmail over top the original, the world-wide version of navigation or using market enabler to change the prop.build file. any of these changes will cause the OTA signature to fail.
Though if you are simply removing a system app, then yes, that would work well.
Also to be noted and this just occurred to me, if the OTA is a full ROM version, then the signature won't matter and it will just install. For ICS, this is what i'm expecting.
I'm on the fence about rooting. I know there are advantages like custom ROMs and added features, but I'm somewhat of a newb at this. While the instructions (for the Mac) seem simple enough, I always feel like something inevitably goes wrong or there's some variable I've either overlooked or don't understand that screws things up.
I definitely don't want to brick my phone.
I don't even know what I'm asking in my post, but I guess... what are some advantages of rooting? And if I root, is it fully reversible?
I'm also confused by some of the terminology. What is clockwork recovery? Is that a sort of ROM? I keep seeing that phrase every time I read instructions. Likewise, what's a bootloader? What's fastboot? Also, what's a kernel?
And after I root (as you can see, I am really tempted to), what happens next? How do I choose which ROM works for me? Is it a matter of flashing them and trying each of them out?
I'm afraid of entering the world of root, but I want to. Advice? Does it matter what baseband, or kernel or build number I have?
I'm on Android 2.3.6
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I run stock, so i'll add my two cents into this conversations. A few key points:
OTA's will NOT lock the boot loader
I hope this answers your questions.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1145056
I know it's not likely, particularly with this phone, but it can happen. I maintain that if you're going to go through the process of unlocking your phone and putting a rooted ROM on it that you might as well wait for a modified OTA ROM to get posted by a trusted dev before just installing what the carrier hands out to you.
I guess maybe I should have said "re-lock"?
onthecouchagain said:
I'm on the fence about rooting. I know there are advantages like custom ROMs and added features, but I'm somewhat of a newb at this. While the instructions (for the Mac) seem simple enough, I always feel like something inevitably goes wrong or there's some variable I've either overlooked or don't understand that screws things up.
I definitely don't want to brick my phone.
I don't even know what I'm asking in my post, but I guess... what are some advantages of rooting? And if I root, is it fully reversible?
I'm also confused by some of the terminology. What is clockwork recovery? Is that a sort of ROM? I keep seeing that phrase every time I read instructions. Likewise, what's a bootloader? What's fastboot? Also, what's a kernel?
And after I root (as you can see, I am really tempted to), what happens next? How do I choose which ROM works for me? Is it a matter of flashing them and trying each of them out?
I'm afraid of entering the world of root, but I want to. Advice? Does it matter what baseband, or kernel or build number I have?
I'm on Android 2.3.6
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OK, let's clear a few things up here.
CWM or ClockWorkMod is a custom recover that can be installed on the phones. This step is needed because the default recovery on the nexus does not allow for updates to be installed that are unsigned. CWM does, so it's a necessary step to installing the SU binary (aka root your phone) or installing custom ROMs
The bootloader is the basic system on your phone that reacts to the power on and hands over operations to Android. The equivalent in the PC world would be a BIOS.
fastboot is a utility that is provided by google that allows you to send commands to the bootloader and direct it's operations. It's needed to unlock the bootloader (so you can replace parts of it.. like recovery with CWM)
Interestingly enough, you can boot your phone to a custom recovery WITHOUT replacing your existing stock recovery by using fastboot.
Rooting your phone is simply installing and providing the proper rights to the SU binary to allow you to have full administrative rights to the phone, the superuser application is almost always bundled with it as it allows for a form of control as to what applications can use root access. Rooting your phone allows you to install some very interesting application, most popular are titanium backup (let's you back up app data and restore them after a reset) and removing advertising (adfree/adaway or it's like) Root can also be used by some applications that allow you to "cheat" at games.
rooting your phone is reversable, though not always the easiest to do. With the stock ROMS, it's fairly easy, you just re-apply the latest OTA and it will kill Root access on your device.
When it comes to custom ROMs the vast majority come pre-rooted to save you the hassel of doing it yourself.
On other phones where the bootloader remains locked, you have to use an exploit to gain root access, this then allows you to modify the OS and install custom roms and CWM while keeping the bootloader locked. Since the Nexus line can be unlocked, it's not needed.
Please note, root access is NOT required to install a custom ROM.
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MaxCarnage said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1145056
I know it's not likely, particularly with this phone, but it can happen. I maintain that if you're going to go through the process of unlocking your phone and putting a rooted ROM on it that you might as well wait for a modified OTA ROM to get posted by a trusted dev before just installing what the carrier hands out to you.
I guess maybe I should have said "re-lock"?
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That's a link to a non-nexus phone. The question here is in regards to the nexus device and i believe my statement stands 100% true. Since it's a self proclaimed "newby" asking questions, i don't want to confuse the post with un-needed and non-relevant information.
Matridom, wow thanks. That clarifies a few things.
So, you say root access isn't required to flash custom ROMs? Let's say for example, I want to flash an ICS ROM, or even a ROM that allows me to have Backlight Notifications?
I don't need root? If I don't need root, how do I flash those ROMs?
Matridom said:
That's a link to a non-nexus phone. The question here is in regards to the nexus device and i believe my statement stands 100% true. Since it's a self proclaimed "newby" asking questions, i don't want to confuse the post with un-needed and non-relevant information.
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I'm not sure why it's so invalid to advise that he wait for someone to post an OTA that has been vetted for those of us who have unlocked our phones; I respect your opinion (even if you clearly don't mine), but your statement that I am providing "un-needed" and "non-relevant" information is a bit harsh.
The fact of the matter is that Sprint has had at least one OTA released (for the EVO 4G) that re-locked bootloaders and caused a lot of consternation for people who took the OTA on their unlocked phones and found themselves waiting months for a new exploit to be found. Those who waited had a rooted version of the OTA available on the forums very quickly, so if those who took the OTA had just waited they wouldn't have been stuck.
tl;dr: If you went to the trouble of unlocking your phone in the first place I don't see why you would rush to take an un-vetted update OTA.
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I'm not sure why it's so invalid to advise that he wait for someone to post an OTA that has been vetted for those of us who have unlocked our phones; I respect your opinion (even if you clearly don't mine), but your statement that I am providing "un-needed" and "non-relevant" information is a bit harsh.
The fact of the matter is that Sprint has had at least one OTA released (for the EVO 4G) that re-locked bootloaders and caused a lot of consternation for people who took the OTA on their unlocked phones and found themselves waiting months for a new exploit to be found. Those who waited had a rooted version of the OTA available on the forums very quickly, so if those who took the OTA had just waited they wouldn't have been stuck.
tl;dr: If you went to the trouble of unlocking your phone in the first place I don't see why you would rush to take an un-vetted update OTA.
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The key here is that SPRINT released an OTA for a SPRINT branded device. This has zero relevance to updates provided by Google for Nexus devices.
MaxCarnage said:
I'm not sure why it's so invalid to advise that he wait for someone to post an OTA that has been vetted for those of us who have unlocked our phones; I respect your opinion (even if you clearly don't mine), but your statement that I am providing "un-needed" and "non-relevant" information is a bit harsh.
The fact of the matter is that Sprint has had at least OTA released (for the EVO 4G) that re-locked bootloaders and caused a lot of consternation for people who took the OTA on their unlocked phones and found themselves waiting months for a new exploit to be found. Those who waited had a rooted version of the OTA available on the forums very quickly, so if those who took the OTA had just waited they wouldn't have been stuck.
tl;dr: If you went to the trouble of unlocking your phone in the first place I don't see why you would rush to take an un-vetted update OTA.
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The issue at heart here is that fact that the OTA for the nexus line of phones comes straight from google and are not "tweaked" in any way by the carriers. (exception nexus 4g has additional applications required for CDMA support)
One of the selling features of the nexus phones is the fact that unlocking the bootloader is officially supported.
In regards to other phones getting their bootloader locked, I've experienced first hand the pains of that, having a galaxy S and the 2.3 installing a new bootloader and really screwing things up for me. In those cases, i agree with you whole heartily and to wait for pre-cracked roms that can be installed.
My question to you would be to please show an example of a nexus S getting it's booloader locked due to an OTA update as that is the phone we are discussing.
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onthecouchagain said:
Matridom, wow thanks. That clarifies a few things.
So, you say root access isn't required to flash custom ROMs? Let's say for example, I want to flash an ICS ROM, or even a ROM that allows me to have Backlight Notifications?
I don't need root? If I don't need root, how do I flash those ROMs?
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All you would need to do is to unlock the bootloader, install CWM, then apply the .zip associated with the ROM you wish to install. I would however carefully read the installation instructions for the rom as in some cases, it might be a multi-step process (such as going from a 2.2 rom to a 2.3).
Many ROMS also do not come with the google apps and secondary zip file needs to be applied to get those running (cyanogenMod does this)
I wanted to add, that the process of unlocking your bootloader will erase EVERYTHING on the phone, including the SDcard partition. So make sure you back up anything of importance.
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My question to you would be to please show an example of a nexus S getting it's booloader locked due to an OTA update as that is the phone we are discussing.
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I can't provide an example because, as I have already stated, this was a precautionary suggestion only.
I'm not going to get into a debate with you over this; I've made my point and you've made yours. Thanks.
Matridom said:
This does not always work, such as installing the "Black" version of gmail over top the original, the world-wide version of navigation or using market enabler to change the prop.build file. any of these changes will cause the OTA signature to fail.
Though if you are simply removing a system app, then yes, that would work well.
Also to be noted and this just occurred to me, if the OTA is a full ROM version, then the signature won't matter and it will just install. For ICS, this is what i'm expecting.
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Good point again but the trick is to put your apps in /system/framework
Along with framework-res.apk.
This will add a dex file to /data/dalvik-cache, which is needed for saving upon reboot
Does flashing another radio that's different from your original radio impact the ability to apply an OTA?
suksit said:
Rooting requires flashing custom recovery
OTA requires stock recovery to work properly
So if your phone has custom recovery the OTA will not work.
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Rooting doesn't require flashing custom recovery.
iboj007 said:
Does flashing another radio that's different from your original radio impact the ability to apply an OTA?
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No. It doesnt
Here is the Droid Razr HD software update. I have not tested it as I use CM 10.1 and have no interest in going back to stock. I found it on www.droidrzr.com in a forum post then shared it on my dropbox account.
I posted it on my Dropbox account so not sure how long it will last until the link is gone:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/d2x9vutel4vnqmm/Blur_Version.9.16.6.XT926.Verizon.en.US.zip
It does "fix" the bootloader unlock exploit though
http://www.droid-life.com/2013/07/1...the-kernel-exploit-for-unlocking-bootloaders/
scoobaspeaz said:
Here is the Droid Razr HD software update. I have not tested it as I use CM 10.1 and have no interest in going back to stock. I found it on www.droidrzr.com in a forum post then shared it on my dropbox account.
I posted it on my Dropbox account so not sure how long it will last until the link is gone:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/d2x9vutel4vnqmm/Blur_Version.9.16.6.XT926.Verizon.en.US.zip
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So, stock recovery to install this?
I would assume you would need to be 100% stock, including the recovery, to install this.
scoobaspeaz said:
I would assume you would need to be 100% stock, including the recovery, to install this.
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hmm put it on my internal storage and its not found, I think stock recovery wants to see it on a sdcard.
If your boot loader is unlocked before the update, it should stay unlocked. You just will not be able to unlock with methods out there now.
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I received the OTA today on my Max HD. It was build 9.18.79.
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A few questions I haven't been able to find answers to (many threads have been started on this new update topic and I haven't found the answers I'm looking for yet):
1) I've heard that there are two versions of this update, 9.20.xx and 9.18.xx... Anyone know the differences yet? Is one version for phones that have been unlocked and the other for phones that are still locked? Is one version for XT925 and the other for XT926? I received the 9.18 version, I am rooted, unlocked, and have a XT926 phone.
2) Anyone with an already unlocked bootloader try and take the update? Do you remember which version of the update you took? Did it install correctly? Are you still unlocked?
3) Anyone that is rooted and unlocked try to take the update? Did it install correctly? Are you still rooted and unlocked after the update? Did you have to protect the root with either SuperSU or Voodoo OTA Root Keeper? If so, do you mind posting step-by-step instructions for protecting the root so the phone is still rooted after the update?
Thanks to all who can shed light on these questions!
LifeAsADroid said:
A few questions I haven't been able to find answers to (many threads have been started on this new update topic and I haven't found the answers I'm looking for yet):
1) I've heard that there are two versions of this update, 9.20.xx and 9.18.xx... Anyone know the differences yet? Is one version for phones that have been unlocked and the other for phones that are still locked? Is one version for XT925 and the other for XT926? I received the 9.18 version, I am rooted, unlocked, and have a XT926 phone.
2) Anyone with an already unlocked bootloader try and take the update? Do you remember which version of the update you took? Did it install correctly? Are you still unlocked?
3) Anyone that is rooted and unlocked try to take the update? Did it install correctly? Are you still rooted and unlocked after the update? Did you have to protect the root with either SuperSU or Voodoo OTA Root Keeper? If so, do you mind posting step-by-step instructions for protecting the root so the phone is still rooted after the update?
Thanks to all who can shed light on these questions!
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There are 2 different versions, depends on what System version you have of 4.1.2 on the XT926 only. The 9.18.79 version would indicate that your Systems version is 9.16.6 if this is not correct DO NOT FLASH. I am Rooted/Unlocked, if you take the plunge you must OTA Rootkeeper/SuperSU backup SU, as the update breaks Root> IF there is no backup of SU with the latest binaries. If you lose Root, there are a couple of ways to Downgrade. A common problem for those of us Root/Unlocked the Update FAILs at the end. Most of the Update goes through, however the new Radio does not go through, as of right now if you Update and your Baseband is VANQUISH_BP_100730.081.64.09P then you have the OLD radio, the new Radio is VANQUISH_BP_100730.160.64.15P.
Between the 2 OTA's these should match-up as either 9.16.6 = 9.18.79 or 9.16.9 = 9.20.1
Thanks for the reply! A few more questions if you don't mind (would hate to do something wrong... like I did last time... luckily I was able to revert back to an original version and fix the install... sigh...):
4) With protecting root, I need the SuperSU Pro version, yes? To be able to use the survival mode, yes? Will Voodoo OTA Rootkeeper do the same thing? Is it possible to use both "to be sure"?
5) I have everything backed up with Titanium Backup. Should I bother getting the pro version and backing everything up using the cloud backup and hypershell? Or won't this matter since if root doesn't keep I won't be able to use Titanium Backup?
6) I also have performed the VZW Wireless Hotspot hack using SQLite. Am I going to have to undo the hack in order for the OTA update to work?
Thanks again for all your help!
Update - I decided to attempt the update and hope for the best. System update 9.18.79.xx updating from 9.16.6.xx.
I purchased the SuperSU Pro from the Play Store, and used the survival mode in SuperSU. I also used the Voodoo OTA Rootkeeper and protected root. I figured if one didn't work the other might... Voodoo worked to protect and re-install root access (not sure about SuperSU as I tried Voodoo first to restore root after the install).
I am unsure if the bootloader is still unlocked, but from what people have said there doesn't seem to be a reason to believe it is re-locked. I haven't tested it out to know for sure though.
It appears that the entire update installed correctly. No errors, and the baseband version was updated to the new radio (xxx.15P).
I did not undo the VZW Wireless Hotspot hack prior to installing the update.
Hopefully this post helps others out there.
My final question... what does updating the radio/baseband do exactly?
i need help! i tried installing the update but i forgot i had TWRP.. so the update did not got installed, i rebooted the phone, but the OS tried to install the update again and inmediatly reboot the phone in recovery again .. then from recovery i flashed liquid smooth rom but i got stuck in the boot animation... my big issue is that my power button is broken! now i cant reset the phone to enter in fastboot mode.. i cant do anything... now my battery is totally drained and i cant turn on the phone (my power button does not work).. i can plug the usb cable and the led turns green. but i dont see any more options
rodmc123 said:
i need help! i tried installing the update but i forgot i had TWRP.. so the update did not got installed, i rebooted the phone, but the OS tried to install the update again and inmediatly reboot the phone in recovery again .. then from recovery i flashed liquid smooth rom but i got stuck in the boot animation... my big issue is that my power button is broken! now i cant reset the phone to enter in fastboot mode.. i cant do anything... now my battery is totally drained and i cant turn on the phone (my power button does not work).. i can plug the usb cable and the led turns green. but i dont see any more options
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My suggestion, let your phone charge a bit.
Once charged up, turn it on and get it into Fastboot. From there you can use the DROID RAZR HD UTILITY 1.21 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2307439). In that utility option 1 will bring you back to complete stock ROM, option 2 will bring you back to a stock recovery. This will completely erase your phone.
This should at least give you a fresh functioning phone. If you want to try to keep your data or personal files, I'm not sure what you could load via fastboot to get yourself a functioning phone again (maybe just a kernel?).
As a side note, I used TWRP to load the update and my phone updated except the radios it seems. It sounds like the same thing happens with the stock recovery.
Lenny
KachowPow said:
There are 2 different versions, depends on what System version you have of 4.1.2 on the XT926 only. The 9.18.79 version would indicate that your Systems version is 9.16.6 if this is not correct DO NOT FLASH. I am Rooted/Unlocked, if you take the plunge you must OTA Rootkeeper/SuperSU backup SU, as the update breaks Root> IF there is no backup of SU with the latest binaries. If you lose Root, there are a couple of ways to Downgrade. A common problem for those of us Root/Unlocked the Update FAILs at the end. Most of the Update goes through, however the new Radio does not go through, as of right now if you Update and your Baseband is VANQUISH_BP_100730.081.64.09P then you have the OLD radio, the new Radio is VANQUISH_BP_100730.160.64.15P.
Between the 2 OTA's these should match-up as either 9.16.6 = 9.18.79 or 9.16.9 = 9.20.1
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So any idea how one might fix this?
LifeAsADroid said:
A few questions I haven't been able to find answers to (many threads have been started on this new update topic and I haven't found the answers I'm looking for yet):
1) I've heard that there are two versions of this update, 9.20.xx and 9.18.xx... Anyone know the differences yet? Is one version for phones that have been unlocked and the other for phones that are still locked? Is one version for XT925 and the other for XT926? I received the 9.18 version, I am rooted, unlocked, and have a XT926 phone.
2) Anyone with an already unlocked bootloader try and take the update? Do you remember which version of the update you took? Did it install correctly? Are you still unlocked?
3) Anyone that is rooted and unlocked try to take the update? Did it install correctly? Are you still rooted and unlocked after the update? Did you have to protect the root with either SuperSU or Voodoo OTA Root Keeper? If so, do you mind posting step-by-step instructions for protecting the root so the phone is still rooted after the update?
Thanks to all who can shed light on these questions!
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I tried to take the 9.18.79 update I protected the root (I'm not unlocked) before I did so I also temporarily un-rooted (I've always been told to do this before and update) Now I an no longer rooted and it can't find any SU binary codes. Gonna have to flash back to 9.6.16 and try it again I guess or stay on 9.6.16 in order to maintain root for now. If you find a solution please share.
IDroidThere4Iam said:
My suggestion, let your phone charge a bit.
Once charged up, turn it on and get it into Fastboot. From there you can use the DROID RAZR HD UTILITY 1.21 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2307439). In that utility option 1 will bring you back to complete stock ROM, option 2 will bring you back to a stock recovery. This will completely erase your phone.
This should at least give you a fresh functioning phone. If you want to try to keep your data or personal files, I'm not sure what you could load via fastboot to get yourself a functioning phone again (maybe just a kernel?).
As a side note, I used TWRP to load the update and my phone updated except the radios it seems. It sounds like the same thing happens with the stock recovery.
Lenny
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I agree with Lenny. This same thing happened to me when I tried to take the liquid smooth ROM. Follow his instructions above. You'll lose all your pics, vids, files, etc. But at least you'll have a working phone again.
Went smoothly here
All my devices except this one are rooted and some are rom'd. I thought long and hard about whether to void this warranty but decided one day it would be out of updates from VZW and I would want to flash something. I have been denying the OTA for the last day so I figured now or never.
Here are the simple steps:
Download and install Moto device manager (for the USB drivers) here
Enable USB debugging in developer options on the phone
run motochopper here
run motoapocolypse here
install voodooOTA root keeper from Play and backup root
apply OTA
It went error free. The phone has the 15P radio update, unlocked BL and root.
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It went error free. The phone has the 15P radio update, unlocked BL and root.
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I want to confirm something, you unlocked the bootloader and then took the OTA and the bootloader remain unlocked (and stayed rooted due to root keeper)?
So the benefit to all this would be to get the new radio update?
bananapeapod said:
I want to confirm something, you unlocked the bootloader and then took the OTA and the bootloader remain unlocked (and stayed rooted due to root keeper)?
So the benefit to all this would be to get the new radio update?
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Yes, the bootloader won't get locked again after it is unlocked. Moto would be shooting themselves having to reinstate warranties if they did that. Yes I wanted the option of flashing later becuase the ota will install sooner or later. I also want to stay on the upgrade path for now to have current radios.
I still have an Eris lying around that is long out of support but i have gb on it.
IDroidThere4Iam said:
My suggestion, let your phone charge a bit.
Once charged up, turn it on and get it into Fastboot. From there you can use the DROID RAZR HD UTILITY 1.21 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2307439). In that utility option 1 will bring you back to complete stock ROM, option 2 will bring you back to a stock recovery. This will completely erase your phone.
This should at least give you a fresh functioning phone. If you want to try to keep your data or personal files, I'm not sure what you could load via fastboot to get yourself a functioning phone again (maybe just a kernel?).
As a side note, I used TWRP to load the update and my phone updated except the radios it seems. It sounds like the same thing happens with the stock recovery.
Lenny
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that's what i want to do, but i cant because my power button is broken! so i cant enter to fastboot mode without the power button.. i will have to open my phone and try to fix the power button myself.
Just to make a point and to clear up any confusion, this Update will not lock the Bootloader. If you have an Unlocked Bootloader then you will have an Unlocked Bootloader after the update, regardless if it fully works or not, and even if you lose Root, the Bootloader will still be Unlocked. If Root is lost with an Unlocked Bootloader, I suggest downgrading through an FXZ of either 9.16.6 or 9.16.9 and restore Root.
Dumb question, but I'll ask anyway if I root will I not be able to receive OTA updates? Because I know whenever I did that with my Note 4 that if I tried it would give a message saying operating system is modified or something in that nature.
joe1blue said:
Dumb question, but I'll ask anyway if I root will I not be able to receive OTA updates? Because I know whenever I did that with my Note 4 that if I tried it would give a message saying operating system is modified or something in that nature.
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You will not be able to take the ota. You have two options when marshmallow comes out.
1) Use the return to stock tool and take the ota them reroot
2) Wait for a flash able zip to become available.
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2) Wait for a flash able zip to become available.
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Which will most likely be faster available than waiting for the OTA.
I'm not sure that will be the case for the MXPE. Fastboot shows the OS as "original," leading me to believe that OTA updates may work. Remember that on the Note 4, et al, unlocking the bootloader wasn't supported by the OEM or carrier. Since Moto is supplying the unlock codes, I suspect that OTA updates will not be disabled on the MXPE as long as no other OS changes are made. I could be wrong, but we'll find out when the time comes.
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I'm not sure that will be the case for the MXPE. Fastboot shows the OS as "original," leading me to believe that OTA updates may work. Remember that on the Note 4, et al, unlocking the bootloader wasn't supported by the OEM or carrier. Since Moto is supplying the unlock codes, I suspect that OTA updates will not be disabled on the MXPE as long as no other OS changes are made. I could be wrong, but we'll find out when the time comes.
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Chances are, if you unlocked your bootloader, you flashed a custom recovery. You can't take an OTA through a custom recovery -- not because it's "blocked," but because the OTA tool is not written to work with that recovery.
Could be. Easy enough to fix if so. Just tell TWRP to allow the OS to overwrite it, the reflash TWRP after the update.
Can't you just flash the stock recovery to take the OTA? Sure, you'll lose root, but you could still take the OTA, then flash your custom recovery again. Is there anything, other than a stock recovery, that prevents OTA updates?
I wish we had a release date. Getting excited for the new features. Should have kept my Nexus 5!
jonathanbailie said:
Can't you just flash the stock recovery to take the OTA? Sure, you'll lose root, but you could still take the OTA, then flash your custom recovery again. Is there anything, other than a stock recovery, that prevents OTA updates?
I wish we had a release date. Getting excited for the new features. Should have kept my Nexus 5!
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A modified system will prevent the install. You would need to flash the system image as well.
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I know some owners rooted their device for different reasons other than roms, but imo better to wait for 6.0 for OTA first. This phone comes with pure Android rom. Not like you need to remove bloat apps. Just need custom roms and kernels which is slow developing. Maybe the devs don't want to waste time with lp and their also waiting for marshmallow. I'm surprised how slow this device is moving under development. Oneplus one didn't have mass sale but their development was quick. Being so similar with nexus 6, hopefully we can get some love with MXP.
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I have been holding out on unlocking for this reason. I'm lazy and don't want to set everything up again so I will use Marsh to back everything up first then I will go to town
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I'm not sure that will be the case for the MXPE. Fastboot shows the OS as "original," leading me to believe that OTA updates may work.
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OTA will not work for rooted MXPE's.
1) Rooting the MXPE requires you to load an alternative recovery (TWRP), which doesn't work with the OTA installation scripts.
2) Rooting the MXPE modified /system files. And OTA updates check /system integrity before it runs the update. Rooted phones will fail that integrity check, and will fail to OTA for that reason.
You could restore your MXPE to stock conditions (un-root, and load stock recovery) to have it accept an OTA. I'm sure that most people will do that, and then re-install TWRP and re-root after that is done. However, I'd recommend you wait a bit for other people to try this first, just in case there are any issues and to verify that root is still available in Android Marshmallow 6.0
Makes sense. Somebody has to be first. I will do a nandroid backup before attempting to update by any means.
Prior comments in this thread:
"You will not be able to take the ota. You have two options when marshmallow comes out.
1) Use the return to stock tool..."
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"You could restore your MXPE to stock conditions (un-root, and load stock recovery) to have it accept an OTA..."
I just wanted to clarify that the Return to Stock tool does not currently remove TWRP...
Factory image will appear here once available: https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/standalone/bootloader/recovery-images
(Must log in with Motorola registered ID or gmail address)
Keep in mind you will see a Moto X (2nd Gen) Pure Edition already there...that is not ours.
hijax2001 said:
Prior comments in this thread:
"You will not be able to take the ota. You have two options when marshmallow comes out.
1) Use the return to stock tool..."
and
"You could restore your MXPE to stock conditions (un-root, and load stock recovery) to have it accept an OTA..."
I just wanted to clarify that the Return to Stock tool does not currently remove TWRP...
Factory image will appear here once available: https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/standalone/bootloader/recovery-images
(Must log in with Motorola registered ID or gmail address)
Keep in mind you will see a Moto X (2nd Gen) Pure Edition already there...that is not ours.
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More clarification: Restore-To-Stock-Tool does replace TWRP. Have a gander inside the zip. I spy recovery.img within. What do you see?
PiousInquisitor said:
More clarification: Restore-To-Stock-Tool does replace TWRP. Have a gander inside the zip. I spy recovery.img within. What do you see?
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Yup, you're correct ... I just used the tool earlier today and I do indeed have stock recovery.
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Sharing my experience... good it's supposed to. Didn't for me, for some reason, until 2nd power cycle. It is stock recovery now though. Sorry for the confusion.
Should I wait to unlock and root if I want to get Marshmallow or is there a way to get it unlocked and rooted?
I would think as long as you do not stray from the stock software you would still get the OTA update. I do not think unlocking the bootloader and simply rooting the phone would prevent the OTA but I could be wrong.
campbellc1052 said:
I would think as long as you do not stray from the stock software you would still get the OTA update. I do not think unlocking the bootloader and simply rooting the phone would prevent the OTA but I could be wrong.
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Would rooting and then updating break something though? I thought I may have read that somewhere on here.
I just looked into it a little bit more and I think as long as you do not flash a non-stock recovery image you should just be able to disable any system modifications such as xposed and unroot and the update would come through. You can probably find more information on this on google or the moto forums.
Im sure the devs will capture the OTA and make a flashable version, that's usually what happens. It usually doesnt take more than a day after the OTA to do it.
My plan is to wait until after Marshmallow is out before unlocking the bootloader if rooting. Since we have a unlock available we don't have to worry about updates breaking exploits so I am in no rush. The phone is pretty amazing even without root. Once Marsh is out I will test drive a bit and go from there. It could take a week before a dev drops the update or it could take hours... you never know.
Hmmmmm well I'm unlocked and rooted with TWRP..
But there is a Back to Stock zip..
So once Marshmallow comes out ,I'll just go back to Stock and take the OTA...
ttkyles said:
Hmmmmm well I'm unlocked and rooted with TWRP..
But there is a Back to Stock zip..
So once Marshmallow comes out ,I'll just go back to Stock and take the OTA...
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Yeah, if you have already done it I'm sure someone can assist in getting you the files needed. Even if a dev can walk me through I don't mind pulling it for you. Maybe there will be a back to stock using the marshmallow image then just reroot after installing twrp and you are good to go
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I just looked into it a little bit more and I think as long as you do not flash a non-stock recovery image you should just be able to disable any system modifications such as xposed and unroot and the update would come through. You can probably find more information on this on google or the moto forums.
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Root breaks the ability to take an OTA, even using the supersu unroot feature the OTA will fail. The only way to take an OTA is to flash a fully stock system and recovery.
BladeRunner said:
Root breaks the ability to take an OTA, even using the supersu unroot feature the OTA will fail. The only way to take an OTA is to flash a fully stock system and recovery.
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From what I understand it's not so much root that affects the ability to take an OTA it is the bootloader flag and recovery image. Also I think that while a new OTA would completely overwrite the system directory, since we can unlock bootloader, you can just re-flash SuperSU without issue.
I have to say that I'm a bit confused because Motorola have stated that unlocking the bootloader won't affect OTA updates here - https://motorola-global-portal.cust...tail/a_id/91999/p/1449,8620/kw/bootloader OTA
Can anyone clear this up for sure? I'd say a custom recovery would definitely affect them but not just unlocking the bootloader.
skttrbrain said:
I have to say that I'm a bit confused because Motorola have stated that unlocking the bootloader won't affect OTA updates here - https://motorola-global-portal.cust...tail/a_id/91999/p/1449,8620/kw/bootloader OTA
Can anyone clear this up for sure? I'd say a custom recovery would definitely affect them but not just unlocking the bootloader.
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That's right...unlocking the bootloader alone won't stop an OTA. The custom recovery will be the issue. Basically if you're rooted and running TWRP all you have to do is follow the instructions in the Return To Stock thread and you're good to go for an OTA. Its a pretty simple process.
I really like this phone, one thing that it is stopping me from loving it is that my hot spot doesn't work on my network(straight talk AT&T) the way it worked on my nexus 5. Now I know I can root the phone and bypass this to be able to get the hot spot working but its a new phone and it has an extended warranty. So I dont want to void the warranty. Also I feel this phone still have Android update life at least Android N so by rooting my phone I would loose the option of getting OTA updates. The reason why I am considering the root option is because I have a Android stereo head unit install in my car (thus the hot spot) and I just want to be able to have internet connection to it, like I did when I had my nexus 5. I would be ok if I could use an app to provide hot spot or even mirroring my phone to my Android radio with out rooting my phone atm.
I would like to know also. Particularly about rooting and OTA updates.
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I may not be a dev, but I'm a flashahlic and rooting is a norm for me.
Granted that rooting this phone mean no OTA or Android Pay. However, with some roms they can be OTA-like, in that they can download and install updates.
Rooting isn't that bad and tbh they aren't updating the software anytime soon and Android N Beta probably won't be coming to the Moto X Style without some rom dev adapting it to run on this phone.
Rooting isn't so bad and Motorola (Lenovo) have stated that rooting or unlocking the booloader won't void warrenty.
I honestly haven't rooted. I've unlocked the bootloader, but that's it. I have apps that seem to b0rk when the phone is rooted.
Just for more information. If you do root, and decide meh I don't like it, you CAN revert to stock. So you can get OTA's in the future.
I recently saw some screenshots of a German user who received a 6.0.1 update OTA. I can't find anything else on the update and I am wondering if this is a soak test or a roll out. I don't want to root and then not be able to update.
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No OTA if you are rooted. However Motorola does provide the necessary files to revert to stock non root so you can always revert (but you will be factory reset).
To clarify the response on warranty: If you unlock your boot loader, Motorola stated that the warranty will cover hardware defects such as bad power or volume buttons. However, other problems that could potentially be connected to root, such as gpu/cpu problems (overclocking) is at the discretion of Motorola to warranty or not. The really bad news about this: To root you have to unlock the boot loader which can only be done through Motorola. The moment Motorola issues you the unlock code, warranty is at their discretion, regardless if you never bother to unlock your boot loader. Just having the code is enough.
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Not understanding this "no OTA" stuff? Been rooted within 15 min of getting the phone, around the release date and have received both OTA's? Granted it can be hard to flash the OTA's on a modified system if you don't have stock backup, firmware, recovery, boot, etc.... But you can get OTA's and flash them.
I can't have a device without unlocking and rooting it. So many options. Free tether and hotspot, debloating, sound mods, kernels..... Can't live without root.
Root it. OTA isn't an issue as when Android N is released they're will soon enough be custom Roms that are Android N based anyway. It open up the Android platform even more to awesome stuff. Motorola will cover HARDWARE problems still with unlocked bootloader so you should be fine in that sense too. Really if you have an android, especially one as stock as a nexus or Motorola device you should definitely root it.
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Not understanding this "no OTA" stuff? Been rooted within 15 min of getting the phone, around the release date and have received both OTA's? Granted it can be hard to flash the OTA's on a modified system if you don't have stock backup, firmware, recovery, boot, etc.... But you can get OTA's and flash them.
I can't have a device without unlocking and rooting it. So many options. Free tether and hotspot, debloating, sound mods, kernels..... Can't live without root.
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Agreed. Just flash twrp and immediately nandroid stock rom and restore when updating
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