I see posts about cyanogen no longer officially supporting the vibrant, and although I DO like CM, I don't support the concept that it should be the end all be all of rom designs. Many of the custom roms I've seen on XDA offer specialized mods that may never make it to the CM roms..
That said, I haven't developed any roms, but I have seen plenty of people claim they are willing to help and have varying levels of experience. I've downloaded the source code for ICS and am wanting to find any devs or people willing to go through the learning process to try to make ICS work for vibrants.
I saw this thread [DEV] ICS port for I9000/I9000B - ALPHA (ICS sources) - work in progress and realize perhaps we can port that over if they get it working, but we would still need to organize people who are willing to work on some sort of project.
Our device is far from defunct, there are still people modding the OG droid that has far inferior specs, so all we need are people who are willing to keep the vibrant alive. It is a good phone, and should have community support until it truly IS defunct.
Thoughts, volunteers, devs have any input? Please no flaming, just because some may not think this is worthwhile or even possible, I know there are many that would appreciate the possibilites that exist.
We have a good port now....Check in the devolvement forums.
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This is the one im using now http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1362961 it has a few bugs but all in all its pretty stable.
its amazing
Can someone tell me whats up with the 50+ ICS ROMs? It's a bit concerning that all this effort seems to be put into reproducing the same exact thing. I think the community would benefit from cooperation rather than competition... But I feel like I must be missing something here, I am new to the Nexus S but not to Android, is there something about the Nexus S community that I'm not getting?
Not complaining at all, or should I say, I'm not trying to complain. I also want to point out that I appreciate the developers who pour their time and effort into our devices and help us to get the maximum value out of them.
(Want to note, I am running AOSP's ICS build and loving it.)
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Can someone tell me whats up with the 50+ ICS ROMs? It's a bit concerning that all this effort seems to be put into reproducing the same exact thing. I think the community would benefit from cooperation rather than competition... But I feel like I must be missing something here, I am new to the Nexus S but not to Android, is there something about the Nexus S community that I'm not getting?
Not complaining at all, or should I say, I'm not trying to complain. I also want to point out that I appreciate the developers who pour their time and effort into our devices and help us to get the maximum value out of them.
(Want to note, I am running AOSP's ICS build and loving it.)
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Hey Man, I am much similar to where you are right now. I am not new to Nexus S or Android, but I feel that the abundance of ROMs is a good thing.
Having so many ROMs shows that the device is still running very strong: Something Android phones NEED to have behind them.
On the other hand I dislike it. To all the developers out there, I think you guys are amazing and genius no doubt. So take the following lightly...
What people don't like to see when browsing for a ROM is a dozen ROMs that are all identical. We need something new and fresh, hence why I like MIUI.
What I think should be done is as you said, have co-operation to make one master ROM because we have hundreds of people in the Nexus S community ready to help.
Speaking on my behalf I HATE SO MANY ROMs Because I simply cannot decide which is best because they are all similar in many ways, and I don't have time to try each one out as much as I want to. I do like having these ROMs but when it comes to choosing one its a big choice for me.
Any feedback on this?
I agree with a not so great abundance or ROMs. But most are not devs. They are simply "chefs" because they never actually developed anything. They just price and scrap things from source to mods. Cm9, ASOP, Peter A(because of his radios and kernal) are devs. We have lots of chefs.
I made brickROM just because of this situation. Its never been done, but the community wasn't ready for it yet.
Either way you can tell what rom has Is "real" I would say there's about only 5
And its sad for new Android users that come here get presided by a catching slogan and rob themselves from using a much better rom
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What would you do if you don't like any of the existing ROMs? May be one is missing a feature you need, another just has too many features you don't want? The answer is simple -- create your own ROM, or modify an existing one... I think most devs just make the ROM they want to use as their daily driver and simply share it here (i.e. what's going on is not about competition, at least from my point of view)
It sounds good to gather all devs to create a ROM that suits everyone's needs, but IMHO it is nearly impossible to do that
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What would you do if you don't like any of the existing ROMs? May be one is missing a feature you need, another just has too many features you don't want? The answer is simple -- create your own ROM, or modify an existing one... I think most devs just make the ROM they want to use as their daily driver and simply share it here (i.e. what's going on is not about competition, at least from my point of view)
It sounds good to gather all devs to create a ROM that suits everyone's needs, but IMHO it is nearly impossible to do that
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But these futures found in everyone's ROM are just mods that you can flash. I flash 8 zips with every rom update but I know that a personal mix so I have no need to share it.
I'm capiale of changing my waklppaer
I flash custom font, and inverted apps with some tyranny Widgets and kernal. With gnex sounds. No reason to "cook" it. This is not development.
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It sounds good to gather all devs to create a ROM that suits everyone's needs, but IMHO it is nearly impossible to do that
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The CyanogenMod team pull it off quite well, all that is needed is a bug tracker and patch review system and boom! instant cooperation.
Maybe we have too many "chefs" in the kitchen
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The CyanogenMod team pull it off quite well, all that is needed is a bug tracker and patch review system and boom! instant cooperation.
Maybe we have too many "chefs" in the kitchen
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I am agree with you CyanogenMod need a bug tracker for CM9.
Here is an interesting fact in case anyone didn't know but MR. Cyanogen himself is rocking a Nexus S http://twitter.com/#!/cyanogen/status/153353404159234049
I wonder what build of ICS he is running, probably from his own private reserve...
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The CyanogenMod team pull it off quite well, all that is needed is a bug tracker and patch review system and boom! instant cooperation.
Maybe we have too many "chefs" in the kitchen
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I will be honest here and say that I personally dislike Cyanogen Mod for the most part. True that they are the gut best in performance, but if the only ROM I had was Cyanogen, I would not be very happy with it. I just think that for my favor, Cyanogen focus' so much on power, yet takes the look of the ROM as a after thought. The modified music on Cyanogen ROMs and the overall execution of his work lacks style and design, as if he first said "Make it fast, then maybe make it look ok" MIUI on the other hand has a great deal invested in how it looks which gives a very effective illusion of performance.
I think that the problem is we have so many chefs in that small kitchen and they have all made so many great dishes that sooner or later they will have eventually all used the same spices by some point, so we are beginning to lose that uniqueness in each one.
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I will be honest here and say that I personally dislike Cyanogen Mod for the most part. True that they are the gut best in performance, but if the only ROM I had was Cyanogen, I would not be very happy with it. I just think that for my favor, Cyanogen focus' so much on power, yet takes the look of the ROM as a after thought. The modified music on Cyanogen ROMs and the overall execution of his work lacks style and design, as if he first said "Make it fast, then maybe make it look ok" MIUI on the other hand has a great deal invested in how it looks which gives a very effective illusion of performance.
I think that the problem is we have so many chefs in that small kitchen and they have all made so many great dishes that sooner or later they will have eventually all used the same spices by some point, so we are beginning to lose that uniqueness in each one.
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The only problem with that is Miui uses CyanogenMod code as a base(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIUI#Development) and CyanogenMod 7 has the theme chooser integrated for easy themeing(check the last three links in my signature to see some themes I created for it).
I don't think any mod team have contributed more to Android than the CyanogenMod Team, they certainly have my respect for that.
I agree about the spices, all these chefs cooking the same exact entree and now which on to choose...
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The only problem with that is Miui uses CyanogenMod code as a base(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIUI#Development)
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It's a fact, not a problem.
Back on topic,
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I think that the problem is we have so many chefs in that small kitchen and they have all made so many great dishes that sooner or later they will have eventually all used the same spices by some point, so we are beginning to lose that uniqueness in each one.
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I believe at some point the community will decide which dishes live and which will die. I don't think people will keep posting ROMs if nobody uses it.
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It's a fact, not a problem.
Back on topic,
I believe at some point the community will decide which dishes live and which will die. I don't think people will keep posting ROMs if nobody uses it.
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This^^ plus one thing, good all these chefs are popping up, that's showing a swell in number of people interested in development, in the end it can only have a positive outcome. Let em dev.
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It's a fact, not a problem.
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I obviously didn't mean problem in that sense, I meant it as in the 'problem' with his argument not the problem with CyanogenMod or Miui, I'm not sure how you interpreted it the way you did...
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I believe at some point the community will decide which dishes live and which will die. I don't think people will keep posting ROMs if nobody uses it.
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what about the "noobs" who are instantly confronted with 20+ ICS ROMs and not a clue to which is worth its weight in salt?
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I obviously didn't mean problem in that sense, I meant it as in the 'problem' with his argument not the problem with CyanogenMod or Miui, I'm not sure how you interpreted it the way you did...
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Sorry if I interpreted it wrong (English is not my native language anyway ) I thought you're trying to imply that "since MIUI is based on CM, @LGIQEXPO shouldn't compare them together" or "if you like MIUI, it means you already liked CM." Just wanted to say that it is not a problem if one wants to compare those two.
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what about the "noobs" who are instantly confronted with 20+ ICS ROMs and not a clue to which is worth its weight in salt?
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Occasionally I'd see a thread titled "Help me decide which ROM is best" and the most popular answer would be "Why don't you try them all?" Yeah it would be madness to try all 20+ ROMs in a row, but I don't think anyone will do that.
Before flashing a ROM, I'd (suggest them to) read everything in the first few posts by the OP, and take a look at the screenshots (most of the time I can decide if I will like this ROM or not by these two factors) If those "noobs" are not too ignorant I believe they'll have a small list of ROM(s) they want to try (may be 4-5 choices, which is reasonable.)
I know it is on the same code, but I more so meant the apps that MIUI re-did for their ROMs, and how they offer a nice end user appeal.
What would be amazing is if all the known devs of these ROMs would just once come together to use their own strengths, and make a mast ROM out of it. MIUI Design and style, Cyanogen tweaks and speed, Peter A. stability, the overclocking everything! (I can't wait for that hahah )
you want fewer rom, get a ns4g. Although we only have a fraction of the roms found in the other forum, they all seem to have their own distinct character.
i was using an SII before this so i was a frequent on that part of xda.. they do have a separate page for original development and another one for development (being kitchen products)
Hey,
Just wanted to add my opinion in all of this that there are so many "equal" roms.
I as some mentioned on another thread am a chef to rom developing, and I don't mind.
Why I do this is because I don't have the time or knowledge to create Android source apps so I take what I think is the best from each rom and create my own.
For example for me CM9 is way to bloated with too many configurations and options I prefer a more real cleaner AOSP, something like Peter Alfonso (buglessBeast), but I do like the T9 dialer from CM9, so I cherry-pick that from CM9 and add it to a PA base.
Also for the notifications power menu I liked TeamKang one so I added that. That way I'm making my own custom rom to my liking and also I don't have to be flashing 20 zips every time there is a new update or wipe my phone
I just thought on sharing it just if some one has the same likes in roms I'm no asking for anything in return. Also I do this in my little free time.
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Hey,
Just wanted to add my opinion in all of this that there are so many "equal" roms.
I as some mentioned on another thread am a chef to rom developing, and I don't mind.
Why I do this is because I don't have the time or knowledge to create Android source apps so I take what I think is the best from each rom and create my own.
For example for me CM9 is way to bloated with too many configurations and options I prefer a more real cleaner AOSP, something like Peter Alfonso (buglessBeast), but I do like the T9 dialer from CM9, so I cherry-pick that from CM9 and add it to a PA base.
Also for the notifications power menu I liked TeamKang one so I added that. That way I'm making my own custom rom to my liking and also I don't have to be flashing 20 zips every time there is a new update or wipe my phone
I just thought on sharing it just if some one has the same likes in roms I'm no asking for anything in return. Also I do this in my little free time.
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Thanks for adding your voice to the discourse.
If I was asked to offer an opinion on what you do, this is what I would say....
I think what you do is okay for you, but the problem is when you release it. There is a problem because as you state, you cherry pick features and/or "code" from other ROMs, and that can/will lead to issues for your user base. Lets take for example the T9 dialer, what happens when security bugs are found and fixed and optimizations make it into an update of the T9 dialer? Well that would mean you would need to update your ROM, but what if you're busy with your job or just with life and are too busy to get around to it? Well now your users of your ROM are without those security, bug fixes and optimizations, and multiply that by all the other pieces of the ROM that you cherry picked from other sources.
My point here to be clear is that due to the nature of your ROM, it will always lag in patches to security issues, bug fixes and optimizations and I think that is ultimately a disservice to your user base.
There is a value that you create, so I guess the question here is, does that value of bringing all these pieces into one convenient package outweigh the negatives of the lagging patches/fixes?
I mean no offense, and I hope this isn't taken as such, I just want to encourage some discourse on these things...
Frrankly speaking
....so anyone of you should not feel bad about it
Im sorry if i hurt anybody's sentiments
As HAKA said ROMS are becoming cumbersome
I will not be naming ROMS
What i have observed is there are no Good ROMS coming up...
Most of them are same themed ROMS with ****ty framework
They just take a base ROM like gdx,miniCM,floyo,etc,etc
They say it has this,this and this...
...It has better performance,new apps...etc...etc
they just have a new idiotic looking launcher and ****ty apps of no use...
Anybody can add a new launcher or thme a rom
EVEN I CAN OR ANYBODY CAN PRODUCE THESE SOUGHT THINGS....EVEN A NOOB CAN DO IT...
we want some productive work from xda community
It seems im critisizing others work....but its like this...you gotta agree
SORRY IF I HURT ANYBODY!!!
Instead of posting a "new rom" for every framework, tweak modified/added or to "include lots and lots of fixes" I think it would be a better idea for rom cookers to upload a CWM zip with this customizations because, to be honest, there are really 5 roms here: froyobread, minicm, gingerdx, cm9 by paul-xxx and miui and the others are (almost all) just themed versions of which I mentioned (sorry but is true).
Dev. section is getting full of roms and it just creates more confusion on new people here.
I think everyone will agree with you on that. No doubt.
I also think that everyone will tell you to make your own custom ROM, if you don't like what's available.
The truth is, XDA is not a corporation, thus, it lacks the organizational skills required to compartmentalize framework, kernel, and other coders, with the appropriate graphic designers, from, for example, Deviantart.
But, this is XDA. A place where ANYONE can show off, and share, the fruits of their labour, whatever those fruits may be. And XDA, as a ROM developer forum, will never posses the necessary money driven corporate structure required for flawless, artistic looking, bug-free ROMs.
And the day it possesses those attributes, it won't be a forum, but, a corporation.
VIVA XDA!
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I think everyone will agree with you on that. No doubt.
I also think that everyone will tell you to make your own custom ROM, if you don't like what's available.
The truth is, XDA is not a corporation, thus, it lacks the organizational skills required to compartmentalize framework, kernel, and other coders, with the appropriate graphic designers, from, for example, Deviantart.
But, this is XDA. A place where ANYONE can show off, and share, the fruits of their labour, whatever those fruits may be. And XDA, as a ROM developer forum, will never posses the necessary money driven corporate structure required for flawless, artistic looking, bug-free ROMs.
And the day it possesses those attributes, it won't be a forum, but, a corporation.
VIVA XDA!
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i agree with you...but there is no need of releasing the ROM when you havnt done much work except of changing the launcher,etc,etc....
First thanks to all developers,who makes mi a1 more flexible with Thier custom roms,I here to make some request to you developers,people's here getting bored of trying android 7.1,8,8.1 versions with the same source,all developers making the same rom with different names,we all are looking for something interesting like UI,themes and launcher based roms,pls make some moded roms with UI of miui,flyme os,samsung,Baidu will make mi a1 more interesting,ppls who like to support this theard write your suggestions to know those developers with all respect,thank you,have a nice day
I don't want to be rude. But why would you post it here of all places?
1. No developer is going to even read this post unless it creates a "boom" on the internet.
2. These ROMs are, and will be developed the way Google and other corporations want, and the way they'll get the most money off of it.
3. If you are that desperate, make the ROM yourself.
Have a great day.
I will try not to be rude, and i am sorry for if it feels that way.
First of all, if you are requesting, why make a Q&A thread?
Secondly, the ROMs which you currently have are highly customizable; yes they are all based on the same vanilla android, but that cannot be helped unless somehow Google is to release new android versions every month; moreover, each of these ROMs them have their own unique features to an extent. You can theme your phone to your liking and you can change to any launcher you want, so i don't really understand what is your request?
As of the MIUI, it might come as a ROM for the device in near future and for the others I don't really think anyone would want TouchWiz running in their phone instead of vanilla android.
You can literally do loads to customize your device and would suggest you look into it deeper.
Ok I will try to be rude.. just stop requesting roms. Devs work on their own free time. And you have no right to ask for roms.. if one day someone does decide to port miui or others. It will not be because you requested.
"people's here getting bored of trying android 7.1,8,8.1 versions with the same source", speak to yourself.
Also, if you are tired of stock feeling, why the heck did you buy an Android One phone??
Let's follow the forum rules, shall we?
I'm sure he has gotten his answer already.
OP didn't even asked a question in the first place. Oh, wait, shall all answers begin with a fake "I don't want to be rude but..."?
It's not fake. It's true. I just said that you should mind your language.