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[Q] OS Porting/Emulating

Heyho fellas!
As this is my second post.. and first thread.. I would like to take a second to introduce myself a bit
As my nick states I call myself "Puenos", and after visiting this place for quite a while, I've finally decided to register here too!
Enough chitchat, here's my [Q]:
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I've recently read quite a lot about ppl asking for a port of WinMo for Android..and after some reading I realised something..
Besides those simple answers asking ppl WHY somebody would want that, most arguments where about how legit it was.. Because WinMo is closed source..
Well... I'm no dev or anything like that.. I'm simple wondering about a few ppl, their ideas and find myself thinking about something abstract myself.. sooo...
QUESTION:
What do you think about ports of
Basilisk II - an Open Source 68k Macintosh emulator
--> There's even a port for Sony PSP and it's quite fun to use it
and before you ask..
AFAIK! Apple provides downloads for the old classic system discs without any charges legally! (correct me if I'm wrong pls..)
Link would be basilisk.cebix.net/
Maemo/MeeGo - an open source, Linux project
-->As Nokia is about to lauch their first MeeGo-Device I would believe it's quite an interesting idea
Link would be meego.com/about
Windows Mobile/Windows Mobile 7
--> Yeahyeah, I know.. closed source and well.. but there are already some Windows Mobile emus on the net I believe? Some even written in Java?
So there would exist a possibility to optimize Android's Java-Engine.. I mean.. the apps converting Java-files to Android-APK for more convient use so it would be possible to port some Java-emus?
I couldn't find the link to the Java-emulator now.. but by searching, I found this:
Link: downloadsquad.com/2008/03/02/microsoft-device-emulator-lets-you-run-windows-mobile-6-on-your/
So there seems to be an application for Windows to be called "Microsoft Device Emulator" which let's you test WinMo-Apps on your PC by emulating a WinMo-Device! Microsoft also seems to provide some ROM-Image to use for this Device Emulator as seen here:
Link: microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=38c46aa8-1dd7-426f-a913-4f370a65a582&DisplayLang=en
Again.. I know WinMo is not open source.. but as Microsoft seems to provide those ROMs.. I wonder if it's legit to use those ROMs to test a self-written or ported emulator for e.g. Android?
x86
Uh... there was a port of Bochs/Qemu for Android some while ago.. but the "port" was rather a proof of concept I think?
There was not much for me to do, using this port I got the same error messages I got using Dosbox, which I thought where problems due to usage of the DOS-environment..which I hoped to escape using this "Bochs/Qemu"-port..
But there's also a Java-emu for x86 architecture...called JPC!
More some kind of proof of concept too, but really interesting! At least for me!
But I somehow don't get along with FreeDOS...and can't seem to boot DSL, even though the applet on their website showed it working... but oh well..
Also, I was wondering if it's possible to run more Linux distros on Android using Bochs/Qemu.. but can't seem to get it to work by now...
Maybe it's just my fault :/
Bochs/Qemu for Android: forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=692682
JPC- Java x86 VM: jpc.sourceforge.net/home_home.html
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Well... that are my 0.02$.. Again.. I'm not a dev..nor do I have the massive knowledge other ppl have here.. Just thought I share some ideas and hope some ppl might find themself interested in working on something.. not necessaryly ports, stable emus are enough work I believe.. But yeah.. here you go!
Oh and well.. just for the people asking "why would you want that? WinMo/Linux/Whoeva is fo da **** 'n Android is da best, yo!" who seem to be present here..
Why not? This place is called "xda-DEVELOPERS" Why joining a website/community when you're not interested in changing/experimenting?
I believe that some people here should be more open to various things.. If you don't want to change a thing on your device.. why going through the effort even reading some topics here or buy such a versatile phone? Just use your old Nokia and play "snake" and call ppl &write messages!
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Uh and yeah.. I'm sorry if I did anything wrong.. used "search" and most infos are from this pages.. so I don't really think I've digged something old closed up again... and yeah.. links.. are not links without permission I do not have (new user and such ;3) but I hope the linked pages are alright to be linked.. if not.. I'm sorry guys
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So... I'm interested in your opinion! What do you guys think?

[Q] Ubuntu on Notion Ink Adam?

Hi. Thinking about CPU and the big screen, I think it will be very nice to have Ubuntu in Adam. What do you think?
Also I won't want to lose Eden. So I think we need something like HTC HD2 owners have. (They can start Ubuntu from the SD card like they opening a normal application as far as I saw) What do you think? Can it be possible for our Adam tablet too?

Anything is possible just put ur mind into it
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It should be similar with HTC HD2. The good thing is, their project is open source

can90 said:
It should be similar with HTC HD2. The good thing is, their project is open source
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Please let me know when a good solution is found. I am keen to have it on my Adam.

That way, I don't need to worry about the warranty issue?

I would love to see this too. Really hope that some developer here can port the ubuntu to Adam. Please please please please

Why will you install Ubuntu on Adam? Is the new Maverick Meerkat fully mature on the touchscreen?

A lot of stuff needed here. I'll make a place holder in Development section with some necessary steps and such.
If anyone wants to make this happen though we need Eden Plus to be successful as full root and unlock will be required. Help out with that process first and then we can focus on Ubuntu.

if you install natty dont forget to pin libc6 to 2.12

Ubuntu port on Adam
Check this one if it helps...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=931214
Also, I saw some activity regarding Ubuntu port to Adam on NIH and tabletroms, some while ago.

Lets hope that this comes together eventually. I'd love to try it out on Adam

Hi, I too am waiting to see the development move ahead. It seems the attention is on Honeycomb these days.
$25 for the person recognized as having ported Ubuntu successfully on the Adam, either here or on TabletROMs.

kinda tired of android
I'm kinda tired of android. I just got an HP Veer and webOS is pretty nice. Only issues I have had so far is posting to message boards like what am doing right now. I got through it but had some trouble. Sorry off topic
I have loaded ubuntu onto my adam following the steps on the dev thread. I can't post there because I new here. Well I'm not new here I just don't post much. I've been reading posts for six months now but rules must be followed! Again off topic.
Ubuntu works. I have a question. I was trying to install a USB ethernet device and ran
Code:
modprobe --list
and came up with
Code:
FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.32.9/modules.dep
I looked and only found a /lib/modules/2.6.32-1208-omap4 directory. I might have screwed up a symlink and I was hoping someone could let me know where the modules.dep file should link to.

Still waiting for tillum, rayman and paronnax to resume their work on ubuntu, especially now that nVIDIA have released the first alpha of Linux4Tegra 12, based on Natty.

I read this post by Tillum on the Ubuntu Methods development thread.
It is very disheartening to note that developers have lost interest, but that was inevitable given the low volumes and disappointment associated with the tablets. On the other hand, quite a few of us users are interested in getting a real operating system on the Adam.
I am sure that any successful port would be easily transferable to other Tegra 2 devices as well, and so efforts won't be wasted.
If we can help in any way, just let us know.

Android on iPad? (Original)

Just curious, iPhone has some "unofficial" Android ports, are there any for iPad? I read up on OpeniBoot, http://www.idroidproject.org/wiki/OpeniBoot but there's no real "download this, do this" step by step for it. I've seen screenshots...Was just curious if anyone has heard anything of this.
This forum needs a new section perhaps...lol

There are installation instructions. The easy way, and the manual way. It is technically possible, but there's really been no work at it.

vbetts said:
There are installation instructions. The easy way, and the manual way. It is technically possible, but there's really been no work at it.
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Not that great of instructions....
Anyone else hear of anything? This seems like something that could take off.

I've been following the Openiboot development passively, as I myself own a 1st-gen iPod Touch.
Last I heard, the iPad got a rudimentary port of openiboot (this open-source bootloader which can boot unsigned OSes like Linux or *Android*). I remember that a developer by the moniker "Hexxeh" was the first to get openiboot to run on the iPad, and a quick Google search brought me to:
A video of Hexxeh running it on his iPad youtube.com/watch?v=UIixUYaLufo
and a forum post detailing the compilation and installation of openiboot for iPad ifans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=321963
Keep in mind, once openiboot itself is running, developers still have to create open-source drivers that will read from the iPad's internal NAND storage to load the OS, and an Android kernel and drivers that will run properly (or improperly, as long as they run at all ;D) on the iPad
Hope this helps!

:DookyFace: said:
I've been following the Openiboot development passively, as I myself own a 1st-gen iPod Touch.
Last I heard, the iPad got a rudimentary port of openiboot (this open-source bootloader which can boot unsigned OSes like Linux or *Android*). I remember that a developer by the moniker "Hexxeh" was the first to get openiboot to run on the iPad, and a quick Google search brought me to:
A video of Hexxeh running it on his iPad youtube.com/watch?v=UIixUYaLufo
and a forum post detailing the compilation and installation of openiboot for iPad ifans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=321963
Keep in mind, once openiboot itself is running, developers still have to create open-source drivers that will read from the iPad's internal NAND storage to load the OS, and an Android kernel and drivers that will run properly (or improperly, as long as they run at all ;D) on the iPad
Hope this helps!
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Yeah I saw that video, and I read up on his blog every now and again. But I was curious if any actual work had been done on it. I bet if we had a section on here for iPad...things would happen.

agentfazexx said:
Yeah I saw that video, and I read up on his blog every now and again. But I was curious if any actual work had been done on it. I bet if we had a section on here for iPad...things would happen.
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I agree. I'm pretty sure the only work left to be done is development on the Android side of the project. I wonder how one would go about asking the xda mods for an "Android Development on iDevices" section.

I'll post a thread, and see what happens. Keep an eye for my post in the "About xda-developers.com" forum.

time for me to learn about cooking ROMs

It seems there isn't a lot of activity around the Arc yet, so I am going to attempt to learn how to cook SE Xperia ROMs, from scratch :-S
I would appreciate pointers to the best tutorials and software (it will speed up the process); I am a very quick learner so I hope to be able to contribute something to XDA Devs, even if it comes out half-baked!.
Wish me luck...(gulp!)

Nice i also was planning to work on android roms (just for fun) I'm a fulltime Linux user so i know my way around Linux systems. But nice to hear some others also intrested.
here is a handy tutorial to start
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=775505
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=704561
I know there was a thread with unix scripts i can't fin it anymore, lost it forever

Sounds good. I think the first thing we need though is a recovery with nandroid, makes testing experimental roms (ie, ones I made made myself which likely wont work) a lot safer!

I would take linux courses just for that, I hope one day we will have courses for Android dev.!
Till then I love to mod the look of statusbar,icons,lockscreen and camera. I just have to change the appropriate png pic and edit some xml files

vegetaleb said:
I would take linux courses just for that, I hope one day we will have courses for Android dev.!
Till then I love to mod the look of statusbar,icons,lockscreen and camera. I just have to change the appropriate png pic and edit some xml files
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It's not hard to learn Linux. Just start using it fulltime and get familier with the terminal. I never followed a Linux course and now i'm now my way around. I ahve ubuntu servers and using ubuntu fulltime (for 4 years) now it's easy to use ubuntu because you can do everything from the GUI.
I write about Linux and read/follow sites related to Linux.
If you don't use it it's hard to learn just try to install dualboot and try using fulltime Linux. You will have problems like something isn't working well fixing the issue will help you learn stuff

cool
thanks for the links, I shall read them later. I will have to get a linux system running, I'm assuming I can duel boot it on a laptop...time to google...

thintin said:
thanks for the links, I shall read them later. I will have to get a linux system running, I'm assuming I can duel boot it on a laptop...time to google...
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It is possible and easy with ubuntu.

Hi
I am a cooker of WM Rom and now i have SE Arc
I already run the dualboot ubuntu\W7 in my Pc
I am very happy to see this thread, because at the moment are new to Linux
I started to know the kitchen for Android and I must say that it is very fun to work
I will be happy to learn and to help in the limit of my knowledge ...
best regards

alesscam said:
Hi
I am a cooker of WM Rom and now i have SE Arc
I already run the dualboot ubuntu\W7 in my Pc
I am very happy to see this thread, because at the moment are new to Linux
I started to know the kitchen for Android and I must say that it is very fun to work
I will be happy to learn and to help in the limit of my knowledge ...
best regards
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Welcome to the Android world
I also did some ROM cooking for my X1 but this is a little bit different and you have more freedom making changes to the ROM that's why i love Linux.
I people have problems with Linux they can always pm me i will do my best to help you learn it.

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Best Way To Learn Android?

Hey everyone I would like to know the best way to start learning android. To start off I know that Java is heavily used and so is XML. XML is usually the theming part and Java is for Rom building if I'm correct. I'd like to know how to go about learning it and which path to take first. Do I buy books? Do I follow guides online? Do I look up youtube videos? Also do I have to be smart to learn Java or XML. I am no genius but I consider myself pretty smart if I use repetition and keep pushing myself to learn which I am fully capable of doing. If someone could tell me on how to go about learning Android Development that would be great.
Thanks,
Sean Myers

could anyone please help me out here??

i learned how to theme a little from here, and i made a theme for my music. http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=File:Motorola_Droid_X.png#Guides_.26_Tutorials

mattmartin77 said:
i learned how to theme a little from here, and i made a theme for my music. http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=File:Motorola_Droid_X.png#Guides_.26_Tutorials
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Nice link I might give something a try. I did try and find some books but they werent in enough detail for what I needed for our phones. Besides java,xml,.png isnt some linux? Going through lots of lines code?

You do need to know some linux because some of the rom has to be done in a linux os.

Http://developer.android.com
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Maxgap1705 said:
Http://developer.android.com
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Yeah... I was gonna say, google has a sdk and all that that, they'd be the best place to find info on their OS and how to develop for it.

smyers1012 said:
Hey everyone I would like to know the best way to start learning android.
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Try to create and deploy the "Hello Android" app described here:
(I can't post external links until I have 8 posts here, sorry:
developer.android.com/guide/tutorials/hello-world.html )
I did it under Windows XP using eclipse, and deployed it to the emulator running on my PC and to my unrooted stock DroidX (Android 2.2) as my first Android project.
Knowledge of XML is always a good thing, but not required in that tutorial.
Once you have a basic app working and deployable, you can modify it to try more advanced things.
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do developers tend to have professional education in linux or are most of us self educated?
there is a vast amount of information out there. where woukd you send someone with little to no kniwledge of linux to learn the basics? i read and read posts, but often i am behind the curve on the basics so i cant understand all of the posts.
last question. if i run ubuntu on my computer will i be learning the same basic stuff for both ubuntu and android, as far as development goes? commands and logic? so far xda has been by far the best source of information. been reading the android developer page. its interesting.

Try the "Hello Android" book. It really helped me get the sense of the Android OS. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1934356565/ref=redir_mdp_mobile/189-8058323-8893839 let me know what you think?
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went ahead and bought it. shouod get it in a few days

bitterevp said:
went ahead and bought it. shouod get it in a few days
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how did you like it?