I'ver got EU HTC HD2 and want to install Paranoid-AOKP-JellyBean. As you can see there are 2 versions of this interesting ROM:
NAND: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1817793
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SD: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1793180
It's written elsewhere SD Androids can be used as dual-boot together with WindowsMobile (or with WP). It sounds perfect but there should be a price for this. That's why please explain me what is the superiority of NAND version of this Paranoid (and of all NANDs in general)? Thank you!
NAND = faster than SD but limited space fo apps, use link2sd/ap2sd or the like
SD = almost on par with nand but sometimes can slow down, Big storage for apps
i use both NAND & SD to boot Andy
Thanks for clarifying this. I always wondered the difference as well.
And to make sure
NAND is limited built in memory but stable
Sd is greater space but isn't always as stable because of class? Or is there another reason for that?
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I "guess" the class doesn't have much impact since that speed is mostly for READ/ Wite/ Copy, I used both class 4 & class 10 & sometime I find that the class 4 is even more stable.
SD could be slower/ unstable might be because it needs to access some data/ memory & fetching could cause some mishaps - i guess :silly:
I use SD Android for over a year and truth is, since few months I didn't found any fast and stable build like those on NAND. Well, maybe on Gingerbread there were few ones that worked well, but since ICS was announced there always been some problems.
rexx87 said:
I use SD Android for over a year and truth is, since few months I didn't found any fast and stable build like those on NAND. Well, maybe on Gingerbread there were few ones that worked well, but since ICS was announced there always been some problems.
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thats true but there is a few roms works fine.
rexx87 said:
I use SD Android for over a year and truth is, since few months I didn't found any fast and stable build like those on NAND. Well, maybe on Gingerbread there were few ones that worked well, but since ICS was announced there always been some problems.
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i have only experience of darkstone superram froyo on SD, never tried NAND, but i've been amazed with how fast and stable that is.
i only installed it recently to get wifi tethering with my blackberry playbook but if i'd known how good it was going to be and how easy to set up i would have installed it ages ago.
the fact that i can revert to winMo at any time by rebooting makes it a no-brainer.
SD Android might be unstable because most SD cards aren't used to have such a high load all the time and often they end up with data corruption, so chkdsk every week gets into your routine. That makes NAND ROMs superior to SD ones.
prosecutor55555 said:
thats true but there is a few roms works fine.
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Maybe, but it doesn’t change the fact that NAND is still better choice than SD.
mengfei said:
SD could be slower/ unstable might be because it needs to access some data/ memory & fetching could cause some mishaps - i guess :silly:
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However the main concern reported elsewhere was these SD Androids consumed much more energy so this resulted in quick battery drain. Would you confirm those reports?
Spaqin said:
SD Android might be unstable because most SD cards aren't used to have such a high load all the time and often they end up with data corruption, so chkdsk every week gets into your routine. That makes NAND ROMs superior to SD ones.
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So then what about NAND ROMs with scripts like Apps2SD? If you move most your apps into SD card then won't they exert too much load on SD card too?
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thats true but there is a few roms works fine.
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Is Paranoid-jellybean also among them?
Other question: it seems SD ROMs save NAND memory since elsewhere it's reported NAND memory wore too, especially under intensive writes, so maybe would the SD ROMs be the remedy? How do you think?
Please use the multi-quote feature rather than triple posting.
ioy said:
However the main concern reported elsewhere was these SD Androids consumed much more energy so this resulted in quick battery drain. Would you confirm those reports?
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SD Android drains battery faster than NAND Android, yes.
ioy said:
So then what about NAND ROMs with scripts like Apps2SD? If you move most your apps into SD card then won't they exert too much load on SD card too?
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TBH I've used both forms of Android and neither seems to have exerted strain on my SD card very much. At the very least, my SD still appears with the same amount of storage it originally came with.
ioy said:
Is Paranoid-jellybean also among them?
Other question: it seems SD ROMs save NAND memory since elsewhere it's reported NAND memory wore too, especially under intensive writes, so maybe would the SD ROMs be the remedy? How do you think?
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Correct, repeated writing of the NAND (especially for those people who think Task29 helps when it doesn't) can cause bad blocks which cannot be written to and eventually may make the phone unusable. However, having done a fair amount of flashing my phone I don't think I have many bad blocks. If I do, then they haven't actually affected me yet (i.e. I can use the recommended /system partition without having to account for extra space from the bad blocks).
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Please use the multi-quote feature rather than triple posting.
SD Android drains battery faster than NAND Android, yes.
TBH I've used both forms of Android and neither seems to have exerted strain on my SD card very much. At the very least, my SD still appears with the same amount of storage it originally came with.
Correct, repeated writing of the NAND (especially for those people who think Task29 helps when it doesn't) can cause bad blocks which cannot be written to and eventually may make the phone unusable. However, having done a fair amount of flashing my phone I don't think I have many bad blocks. If I do, then they haven't actually affected me yet (i.e. I can use the recommended /system partition without having to account for extra space from the bad blocks).
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Hi.
So that means flashing to NAND is limited? And it's better to use SD ROM's. How do I find out if and when the NAND becomes bad blocks.
Thank you.
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halninekay said:
Hi.
So that means flashing to NAND is limited? And it's better to use SD ROM's. How do I find out if and when the NAND becomes bad blocks.
Thank you.
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Why not Google/forum search that? And when you say limited, you mean that there's a limit to the number of times you can flash, right? Well if there is one it's incredibly high, and it certainly isn't better to use SD ROMs as they're much slower and consume more battery.
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Why not Google/forum search that? And when you say limited, you mean that there's a limit to the number of times you can flash, right? Well if there is one it's incredibly high, and it certainly isn't better to use SD ROMs as they're much slower and consume more battery.
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Okay,
Thank you very much.
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Thanx!!
Nand is much faster as it uses the ram rather than having to read the SD card and then put it into the ram so speed is visibly slower. I use a nand ROM but with a2sd support. That wat you get the speed of a nand ROM but the app space of an SD ROM.. best of both
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from what i understand, when haret is booted the android system files are loaded onto the volatile memory and only a few modules remain on the sd card, leading to minimal access to tthe sd card for normal operations.
so my question is, apart from saving a few seconds when haret reads the files off the sd at boot, why do people suggest booting and running from NAND will help battery? especially as some modules may be accessed from the sd card when we have NAND versions?
Interesting point.
I think at the moment the SD card is still used a lot as all data not loaded is transfered to and from the SD all the time. Only time will tell if it does help but if not will be getting a desire hd
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I'm sorry for my english. I thing the problem now is the battery driver isn't optimized for Android, In fact, there are some tricks in wm to improve the battery life.
Filmobile said:
I'm sorry for my english. I thing the problem now is the battery driver isn't optimized for Android, In fact, there are some tricks in wm to improve the battery life.
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and what would those tricks be??
bakasamaz said:
and what would those tricks be??
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I can't enter links but if you search in this forum you will find the answer
Filmobile said:
I'm sorry for my english. I thing the problem now is the battery driver isn't optimized for Android, In fact, there are some tricks in wm to improve the battery life.
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i also read that these tweaks dropped the quadrant score in android by 500, so not quite a perfect solution.
Not all the drivers have been ported towards HD2 yet and I agree the battery performance may remain comparable to what we have now.
However, the overall system performance will be much better definitely
Hope is not for the NAND boot itslef, but for new optimized drivers.
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Not all the drivers have been ported towards HD2 yet and I agree the battery performance may remain comparable to what we have now.
However, the overall system performance will be much better definitely
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but WHY will the overall system performance definitely be much better?
Isn't that because the data.img file is on the slower sd card and operations are done to and from the card?
Nand is probably not going to improve battery life or speed much. It's only going to speed up the boot up time significantly. That's why I've always wondered why everyone is so intent on having nand made before other drivers and problems are fixed. If devs had spent their time on that instead of nand, then we would probably have a much better android right now.
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Filmobile said:
I'm sorry for my english. I thing the problem now is the battery driver isn't optimized for Android, In fact, there are some tricks in wm to improve the battery life.
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Does anybody have the link he's talking about.
dapoharoun said:
Does anybody have the link he's talking about.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=749753&highlight=registry
I think he meant this. I also tried, but didn't recognize anything. You better try out SetCPU.
You want better battery life - try the MIUI builds. Best battery life so far. Don't know why - just is.
No matter what NAND will be faster. If the modules are accessed through volatile memory and a little through SD card then why does the phone get warmer when you are using android?? The OS is constantly reading/writing from the SD card. people see performance increases based on the class of the SD card.
Think about it this way, the NAND would be equivalent to an internal harddrive and the SD card a usb flash drive. If there wasnt any performance difference, phone companies wouldnt even bother with NAND and would just sell phones with only SD cards.
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No matter what NAND will be faster. If the modules are accessed through volatile memory and a little through SD card then why does the phone get warmer when you are using android?? The OS is constantly reading/writing from the SD card. people see performance increases based on the class of the SD card.
Think about it this way, the NAND would be equivalent to an internal harddrive and the SD card a usb flash drive. If there wasnt any performance difference, phone companies wouldnt even bother with NAND and would just sell phones with only SD cards.
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Then how you explain HD2 is second in I/O Quadrant Advanced benchmark, just behind Droid X, leave the rest in dust?
dubbingt said:
No matter what NAND will be faster. If the modules are accessed through volatile memory and a little through SD card then why does the phone get warmer when you are using android?? The OS is constantly reading/writing from the SD card. people see performance increases based on the class of the SD card.
Think about it this way, the NAND would be equivalent to an internal harddrive and the SD card a usb flash drive. If there wasnt any performance difference, phone companies wouldnt even bother with NAND and would just sell phones with only SD cards.
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Why would it get hot from writing/reading SD cards?
the heat is from the CPU, isn't it?
The fact is NAND is not going to have significanty faster or have significantly better battery life. In fact I would put money on the differences being basically negligible.
I wouldn't be surprised if the first NAND builds are much worse than what we have right now through haret.exe, at least until all the new bugs in the drivers needed for NAND are worked out.
Booting from NAND is a cool and advanced thing for the developers have fun playing around with setting up, but for the end user there will probably not be much of a difference at all. Someone mentioned it before, but I think android would be much better if the devs had focused on improving it instead of wasting time with NAND
What you people seem to forget is that WE use THEIR work...
The developers are playing around with a new toy for their enjoyment and challenge, we just get to benefit from their work. If you want to complain about buggy systems then learn how to program and build your own version of android. I suspect you'd get mail from irate end users too complaining about how this or that doesn't suit them.
Thank the guys making the roms, forget about this or that bug that has been reported or you've been told about (bug reporting isn't complaining, its the whingers who just make useless complaints, for example "camera doesn't work" when its stated on the thread) and quit complaining how the developement isn't going your way...
Thanks to all the Guys who make these builds possible to use on our devices....
I have an HD2 with SPL 2.08 and radio 2.15 , WinMo rom - Dexter .sencity 21.11 .
I have tried with other combinations too. My SD card is the original class 2 2gb micro SD. When I install Desire rom it works fast and everything is fine. When I put a Desire HD rom however it is slow - i takes 1-2 secs for it to open keyboard or the menus and so on. I dont know what the problem is or how can I see exactly how slow it is. Any help would be much appreciated! It is odd that people report that the Desire HD roms are really fast when they are slow on my HD2. Probably I messed up something but I dont know what so please HELP! I have tried different roms from m-deejay and Sergio76 and so on. The Froyo stock roms also work fast and flawless. I know there is another thread but it is in another section and there are no responses because this sections has 100x more activity. THank you!
Man honestly to rule out any possibilities of the ROM being the factor you have to use a class 6 or above sd card, otherwise you have no way of really troubleshooting what your problem is. Also, Devs mention in the releases all the time the Radio and WinMo ROM they use so to insure the same performance they can only give you what they are running as well.
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Man honestly to rule out any possibilities of the ROM being the factor you have to use a class 6 or above sd card, otherwise you have no way of really troubleshooting what your problem is. Also, Devs mention in the releases all the time the Radio and WinMo ROM they use so to insure the same performance they can only give you what they are running as well.
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The class of the SD card has nothing to do with it. The majority or people that have tried a class 4 and above say it is a lot worse than the stock SD card. I have tried and it was a lot worse for me also.
The Windows ROM and radio can have a LOT to do with it though.
m2]iceman said:
I have an HD2 with SPL 2.08 and radio 2.15 , WinMo rom - Dexter .sencity 21.11 .
I have tried with other combinations too. My SD card is the original class 2 2gb micro SD. When I install Desire rom it works fast and everything is fine. When I put a Desire HD rom however it is slow - i takes 1-2 secs for it to open keyboard or the menus and so on. I dont know what the problem is or how can I see exactly how slow it is. Any help would be much appreciated! It is odd that people report that the Desire HD roms are really fast when they are slow on my HD2. Probably I messed up something but I dont know what so please HELP! I have tried different roms from m-deejay and Sergio76 and so on. The Froyo stock roms also work fast and flawless. I know there is another thread but it is in another section and there are no responses because this sections has 100x more activity. THank you!
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By the way, how long exactly did you give it? These HD Roms can literally take hours to settle in and they won't be real speedy until they are completely done syncing everything. I have noticed that sometimes you won't see the sync icon but things will still be syncing in the background, inlcuding the Android market because these new Roms backup all your apps and data with the market and HTC sense. I am using Sergio76's and it is flying so I would try again but give it a lot of time to settle. Hope it works out for you, good luck!
As Motoman said, it will take time for everything to sync, but many reboots is very important. I have been using Mdeejay's Desire HD 4.1 for three days now, and don't have any problems. I must have rebooted 8-10 times the original day and that helped extremely well with speed.
motoman234 said:
The class of the SD card has nothing to do with it. The majority or people that have tried a class 4 and above say it is a lot worse than the stock SD card. I have tried and it was a lot worse for me also.
The Windows ROM and radio can have a LOT to do with it though.
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At worst a class 6 card (for example) might not provide much in the way of an improvement over a stock class 2 but there is no way it would be 'a lot worse'.
Personally, I noticed a speed increase on identical builds when I swapped from my class 2 to a class 6 but nothing too drastic.
motoman234 said:
By the way, how long exactly did you give it? These HD Roms can literally take hours to settle in and they won't be real speedy until they are completely done syncing everything. I have noticed that sometimes you won't see the sync icon but things will still be syncing in the background, inlcuding the Android market because these new Roms backup all your apps and data with the market and HTC sense. I am using Sergio76's and it is flying so I would try again but give it a lot of time to settle. Hope it works out for you, good luck!
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I agree with motoman that sdcards have nothing to do with the speed they might make a very little difference which can be negligible, I am suffering from a lot of lag in desire HD builds............
@motoman234, so can you tell us how exactly we should install these desire hd roms ?,
i was having the same issue with the hd roms. i thought they were terrible. i now have MDJ FroYo HD v.4.3=-[kernel:MDJ S7.5HD] running very well. i had to change my rom to achieve this. the wmrom is useless IMO but it lets me run android hd now. i am using this rom
ChuckyDroidROM-HTCFrameworkEdition.Nov.05.7z
and this radio
Radio_Leo_2.15.50.14
i also install bsb tweaks in winmo and set to power save mode. turn off everything in winmo and auto boot to android with hard keys lit up.
it works for me
Same issue as OP here. All non-HD ROMs run really fast. But other Desire HD ROMs are plain terrible speed-wise. I have a good Class 6 card.
It's a kernel issue. There is nothing you can do.
Pagnell said:
At worst a class 6 card (for example) might not provide much in the way of an improvement over a stock class 2 but there is no way it would be 'a lot worse'.
Personally, I noticed a speed increase on identical builds when I swapped from my class 2 to a class 6 but nothing too drastic.
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To each is own I suppose. I can only speak for myself when I say that a class 6 card made me have SOD every time when waking the phone from sleep, not to mention overall less performance. Not sure what it is about them but it was bad in my case but I doubt every single person will experience this.
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I agree with motoman that sdcards have nothing to do with the speed they might make a very little difference which can be negligible, I am suffering from a lot of lag in desire HD builds............
@motoman234, so can you tell us how exactly we should install these desire hd roms ?,
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It is a bit time consuming to get them rolling smooth for the first time but these are the steps I usually use when installing them for those of you that can not get them running like they should.
1) Boot up the build (fresh start)
2) Wait a couple minutes before unlocking the screen for the first time.
3) Setup everything in the SetupWizard.
4) From the moment you hit the "Finish" button on the SetupWizard, set your phone down for about 30-45 minutes before touching anything (OFF the charger if possible since it can get really hot when it is syncing everything for the first time. Charging can just add to that heat)
5) After you notice things to get a little faster, reboot the phone and then boot back into Android.
6) Wait another 5 minutes before unlocking the phone.
7) You should be good to go, if things still seem a little laggy try to reboot one more time.
I know this seems overboard but these HD builds have a lot to them. After you get the process over with you should be happy you did it. Once again **This is just what works for me** I am using Core Droid V0.2 by the way.
@Motoman234,
Not overboard...it's good advice. Thank you for the steps! P.S. Good to see a chef from my neck of the woods! Thank you sir!!
motoman234 said:
The class of the SD card has nothing to do with it. The majority or people that have tried a class 4 and above say it is a lot worse than the stock SD card. I have tried and it was a lot worse for me also.
The Windows ROM and radio can have a LOT to do with it though.
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Pagnell said:
At worst a class 6 card (for example) might not provide much in the way of an improvement over a stock class 2 but there is no way it would be 'a lot worse'.
Personally, I noticed a speed increase on identical builds when I swapped from my class 2 to a class 6 but nothing too drastic.
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The Speed of the SD card has nothing to do with the roms performance.
The only difference that we will feel between a 'Class 2' and a 'Class 6' is when copying files to or from the SD card.
I noticed that on my 16GB Class 2, I have a transfer rate up to 4 MB/s when copying the Android folder and this card is supposed to have a maximum of 2mb writing while on my 8GB Class 6 I can copy up to 10 Mb/s the same Android folder (twice as fast).
But when Android runs I don't feel any difference at all.
The reason why the Desire HD roms are slow on the HD2 is because these roms were optimized to work under 768 MB RAM while our HD2 has only 576 MB RAM.
We barely have 100MB of free RAM with a Desire HD rom but with a stock rom we can have 300MB and more free.
ForceField said:
The Speed of the SD card has nothing to do with the roms performance.
The only difference that we will feel between a 'Class 2' and a 'Class 6' is when copying files to or from the SD card.
I noticed that on my 16GB Class 2, I have a transfer rate up to 4 MB/s when copying the Android folder and this card is supposed to have a maximum of 2mb writing while on my 8GB Class 6 I can copy up to 10 Mb/s the same Android folder (twice as fast).
But when Android runs I don't feel any difference at all.
The reason why the Desire HD roms are slow on the HD2 is because these roms were optimized to work under 768 MB RAM while our HD2 has only 576 MB RAM.
We barely have 100MB of free RAM with a Desire HD rom but with a stock rom we can have 300MB and more free.
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I think what makes it worse is that we dont get 576mb ram in android, as this has not been built into kernels, we are only getting about 350mb of ram. If I check my available ram it is around the 300mb mark and has never been above 350mb.
u must just reboot you device after 1-st boot
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I think what makes it worse is that we dont get 576mb ram in android, as this has not been built into kernels, we are only getting about 350mb of ram. If I check my available ram it is around the 300mb mark and has never been above 350mb.
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Yes,the secret of having a good performance on any device is to have 1/3 of the amount of RAM always free.
For ex if you have 3GB of ram,you can use till 2GB and you will be very good.
But if you use 2.1 GB of the 3GB then don't think twice and upgrade immediately.
We are using this equation on our servers and t works pretty well,at least for our company.
I've only tested desire_hd beta and Core Droid HD v0.2 so far. Nonetheless, both have been quick and solid here. Like mentioned by motoman234, give these builds time to sync your market apps and settle down, then reboot a couple times, and you should be good to go. If the build has heavy lag, it's most likely still trying to download your market apps and install them as well as sync your personal data. Patience is key here.
Also, this goes for every build, but make sure that your keypad lights are on when booting into android. Doing this has normally solved any high standby battery drain that I've run into to date.
As far as MircoSDHC cards go, I have tested a handful of different class and size cards with the HD2, and found that once the system is booted up, there's no difference, or the higher class cards have more SOD or freeze issues for some reason. The HD2 can only handle so much, and random read speed appears to be the most important factor. In turn, a good quality class 2 card should be all you need. That said, I've been running a Sandisk 32GB class 2 card for months now, without a single problem to date. Regardless of what card you use, I highly recommend using SD Formatter in quick format mode.
Another thought... it may help a little to use a standard wallpaper at first, instead of the live wallpaper, just until the system has settled down.
All that said, I'm a huge fan of Core Droid HD, due to the animations and polished theme work done by Sergio76. It's an excellent build, and you can easily get the camcorder working with the system files fix included in the thread.
On a kind of related note, motoman234 has an excellent EVO Sense Black & Blue Remix build available, if the Desire HD Sense builds are too heavy for your needs.
Best to all,
R
Well said, thanks man.
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Well said, thanks man.
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Cheers motoman234! And... thank you so much for your excellent build work and help. To say the least, your EVO remix has been extra solid here.
Best to all,
R
Since the first NAND build almost everyone here in the forum can't stop talking about it.
Am I the only one thinking, why do one need it?
- it makes no progress to functionality. We had everything already with SD builds.
- Switching between build is now longer and riskier.
- One needs to commit himself to a build because it won't be possible to jump from a sense to a stock, or from froyo to gingerbread with a single boot.
For example MDJ's gingerbread without GPS can be quickly switched to a full working froyo.
- With SD build one can take full potential of the storage on the phone. With NAND system size is limited and one can't install unlimited amount of apps.
- So boot time is longer with SD builds. Come-on got to be some other reason to move to NAND.
I open this discussion for people to enlight me what am I missing when I ask for SD builds.
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Maybe u should take a look at the NAND pro and contra thread.
I fully agree with you. I don't really understand the interest for NAND. It boots faster for sure and drains a little less but compared to the advantages you mentioned of sd card or even ram NAND is not for many people.
Aside from the battery life and faster boot I think most of the desire for Android NAND is due to the dislike/hatred of windows mobile on this phone.
HTC produced a stunningly specced phone and then slapped windows mobile on it with no option to upgrade to win phone 7 or sidegrade to Android, and a lot of people see that as a bit of a slap in the face. I certainly do. Stating that there will never be an android build from HTC for it and then producing the EVO was a bit disrespectful of customers.
Also there is the (for me) a slight feeling of im-permanence of the SD builds. Yes, they are great and its fun and useful to be able to switch between them at will but the nand versions just feel a bit more solid, if you will.
A lot of it is down to human nature rather than actual technological benefit, sort of a "Hah, you said we couldnt do it but we did, so forget you". (With apologies to Cee Lo Green).
abrise said:
I fully agree with you. I don't really understand the interest for NAND. It boots faster for sure and drains a little less but compared to the advantages you mentioned of sd card or even ram NAND is not for many people.
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DUH???
Are you guys forgetting that MAGLDR does support multiple SD builds boot
for me its a winner !~!
mally2 said:
DUH???
Are you guys forgetting that MAGLDR does support multiple SD builds boot
for me its a winner !~!
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I dont get it why ppl make a topic only to whine about NAND. The devs put so much hard work in it and then they see topics like this.... plzzzzz
If u dont like it ... dont use it ok ... or buy a native android phone
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I dont get it why ppl make a topic only to whine about NAND. The devs put so much hard work in it and then they see topics like this.... plzzzzz
If u dont like it ... dont use it ok ... or buy a native android phone
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They didnt get enough hugs as a child??
As stated before it has many improvements over the SD version:
-battery life
-stability
-loading times
-there is no risk in bricking your phone(unless someone is very very stupid, and i am not saying that someone is)
-with the sd version a download from the market sometimes took 2 minutes, now it takes max 2-3 seconds.
-flashing back to winmo if you like is maximum 5 minutes
-flashing a new android takes max 5 minutes(MAX).
- no lag at all
I am sure there are more but this is what i could think of right now.
Try and you will see.
Seriously.. Why wouldn't you like having more options to choose from?
If you are afraid that devs will stop developing for SD builds, then you shouldn't be.. There are enough people out there staying with SD builds.
I just don't like the sluggishness the WM-boot gives me.. It adds another layer of uselessness to me, as I don't use WM anymore at all..
I love my HD2 running NAND with the HTC Desire HD build of gauner. For one, I don't have to be messing around with SD mounting and unmouting anymore. I hate the fact that the main OS actually tuns off the card that you should use as swappable storage, which it was introduced for.
Everyone is entitled to their respective opinions, and there is no harm in having more to choose from.
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Seriously.. Why wouldn't you like having more options to choose from?
If you are afraid that devs will stop developing for SD builds, then you shouldn't be.. There are enough people out there staying with SD builds.
I just don't like the sluggishness the WM-boot gives me.. It adds another layer of uselessness to me, as I don't use WM anymore at all..
I love my HD2 running NAND with the HTC Desire HD build of gauner. For one, I don't have to be messing around with SD mounting and unmouting anymore. I hate the fact that the main OS actually tuns off the card that you should use as swappable storage, which it was introduced for.
Everyone is entitled to their respective opinions, and there is no harm in having more to choose from.
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+1 on that. I'll be sticking with SD builds for the foreseeable future. At least until Android is perfected. The Gingerbread build doesn't even have working GPS or camcorder and is NAND. That, to me, is ridiculous.
I know its been said enough already but the clincher for me was the improved battery life. I just got a full two days with phone usage (light) SMS usage (heavy) and WiFi usage (heavy). That really was a breath of fresh air in the world of 12 hrs SD builds.
Also, i think people were right to point out a lot of draw towards the NAND build has been a reaction to WM6.5. The OS was seriously lacking and was a poor choice to put on such a capable device. It lacked the real functionality of a smartphone which seriously hampered the HD2. With android the phone seems to get a new lease on life and i am quite happy in keeping it for another 1 year.
Although it is early days for NAND builds but i am sure with the passage of time their obviously advantages will be apparent to all. Although SD build do give you fast switching but seriously it becomes a pain to keep switching and then backing up and restoring all your data and applications. I have been there and done that. Atleast with a NAND build switching is prevented and stability is creeping in.
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As stated before it has many improvements over the SD version:
-battery life
-stability
-loading times
-there is no risk in bricking your phone(unless someone is very very stupid, and i am not saying that someone is)
-with the sd version a download from the market sometimes took 2 minutes, now it takes max 2-3 seconds.
-flashing back to winmo if you like is maximum 5 minutes
-flashing a new android takes max 5 minutes(MAX).
- no lag at all
I am sure there are more but this is what i could think of right now.
Try and you will see.
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You missed out No Windows Mobile I really dont get this Thread,The guys have been workin on nand for months so that we can eliminate the problems we had booting off SD ,Nand has made things a lot easier now that we no longer have to rely on Windows,Ive been testing it for a day now and its fantastic,a hell of more stable and you can use every day
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You missed out No Windows Mobile I really dont get this Thread,The guys have been workin on nand for months so that we can eliminate the problems we had booting off SD ,Nand has made things a lot easier now that we no longer have to rely on Windows,Ive been testing it for a day now and its fantastic,a hell of more stable and you can use every day
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It depends on which SD build you were using. The ones in my sig are top-notch, fully-functioning and daily-use stable. The battery life is excellent.
Can someone confirm this. It seem rmnet is not stable at edge connection. The data arrow always gone and then it reconnect again. Happen with me couple times when I was browsing internetan
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It depends on which SD build you were using. The ones in my sig are top-notch, fully-functioning and daily-use stable. The battery life is excellent.
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very true but then you have TMOUS HD2 wich performs a little better than our Euro ones.lol.The other thing is wich is a good advantage is ican use more space on my SD and safely unmount it without any problems
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DUH???
Are you guys forgetting that MAGLDR does support multiple SD builds boot
for me its a winner !~!
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Right, but Almost all my SD did not boot correctly with MagLdr
My experience with nand is FASTER A LOT, drain less battery, no lag at all (except on my old hd2 (probably broken, no proxymity detector, no more vibration, volume key works bad etc.) that lags more than with the sd card (I had to revert to win)).
Mag is a LOT Faster to download/install apps. (50kb/s now its 400k/s and installation is faster), smoother.
Because now, I can change my SD card whenever I want (Full of taken videos/photos with the phone, full of mp3 etc).
Why nand, because Lock Phones utilities are useless with Windows.
Why nand ? .... Because !
There's a few factors to consider and these can be deal breakers for some people.
1. The version of the HD2 running a Nand version. T-Mobile US phones get more space to play with whereas the Euro version doesn't. I've got a US version but I really only use 20 or so apps.
2. Data - Since downloading Topia HD last night, I had one data drop running from Nand and that was opening market. When it was SD it was constant!
3. Battery - some people are reporting excellent battery life on Nand. But they reported that on SD versions as well. Everyone has their fixes for it too, but it doesn't work for everyone. Right now I seem to be doing ok so we'll see.
4. Risk - its less riskier than flashing HSPL or a new ROM in WinMo which brings me to my final point and deal breaker for me.
5. It's no longer running WinMo!!! For me that was what I was waiting for. No more gimpy OS ruining my phone. I know a lot of people love WinMo but I'm not one of them. I almost gave this phone back when I got it in March of 2010. It was frustrating and by my 1st week of owning it I had done 3 or more fresh resets. After that I did a reset almost every month until Android became stable to run everyday. I say good riddance to WinMo finally lol
In the end, its about preference. My preference is a phone with little or no hassle and huge functionality which I now get with Android and especially now with it running from Nand. If it was still running from SD or RAM I'd still be ok as long as it wasn't WinMo.
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One big issue with NAND, that is being overlooked, is no support right now for WinXP. The magldr seems to be flashable only in Win7. There are a number of people who still don't have Win7, myself included, and are still on WinXP.
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One big issue with NAND, that is being overlooked, is no support right now for WinXP. The magldr seems to be flashable only in Win7. There are a number of people who still don't have Win7, myself included, and are still on WinXP.
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Are you still on XP by choice or becouse of old hardware / no budget for new OS? if your still on XP becouse you dont wanna go Win7 i only have to say Get along with the times. I would say a update for windows XP and Vista would come sooner then later.
I have leo1024 and currently running running on a SD build. I was thinking about switching to NAND, but had few questions prior to switching.
Is the NAND build worth switching to? Is it faster? Does it consume less battery? What are the disadvantages to switching to the NAND build?
Also what is the best clean froyo NAND build?
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It could be a good move to compare two same builds (Nand and SD)
like :
Desire hd rom
NAND v :******************************************* SD v :
power consumption:..xxx*******************************power consumption:..xxx.
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*** mean "space"
and stick this if ready.
It could stop many questions about what is better.
Thanks.
I can only tell you my experience. One of my biggest frustrations was that if I locked my phone by pressing the red end button, and tried to turn the screen back on right away, I had to wait 20-30 seconds. That no longer happens. For battery, the lowest I ever saw was a 4ma standby, but usually closer to 6-8ma. I routinely see 2ma in standby, but probably averages 4ma...this is probably 25-50% better battery. It just seems more smooth also. Plus, with RMNET being as fast as PPP, there are no longer any data drops.
Again, this is my experience. Try it...if you don't like it, you can always go back to WM and SD card builds.
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I have been on nand and all kind of recovery and app2sd and ++ methods. trust me SD based built is best one. you have more choice(window and android) and that is the speciality of HD'2'(2- means 2 operating system)
battery wise nobody can't boast about nand because any latest phones bettery(including desire HD itselt) is very bad . Also android drinks battery if you are not maintained your running applications properly.
furthermore no complication and less harmful to device.so better to stick with SD. Trust me.. in couple of weeks time all guys will turn back to HD '2' do you know what i mean...??
No way I will ever go back to windows + sd...
Nand is better in more then one way, smooth all around (as mentioned never unlock delay), better battery usage, faster downloads and installs (and no freezes when doing a market install)
If you are wondering why you still have windows on your mobile because you only see your android booting up, go got nand
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I have been on nand and all kind of recovery and app2sd and ++ methods. (...)
so better to stick with SD. Trust me.. in couple of weeks time all guys will turn back to HD '2' do you know what i mean...??
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Well, thats one opinion, ok.
Personally, I didn't try all kinds of recovery, didn't try app2sd, didn't try any ++ method stuff extra extra extra!!1!. Just didn't.
I just tried a few ROMs on NAND, and generally the user experience is so good I don't want to bother using SD or RAM builds.
The biggest plus of NAND is that it makes use of the device's hardware in the way it was supposed to be, without having the deal with Windows Mobile juckyness.
The battery life is dramatically different, because constant reading and writing from SD uses battery charge that isn't even monitored by currentwidgets. If you say 'any new phone has crap battery life' you probably only tested a rom with the 60mA after call bug. These eat battery charge just as fast as RAM builds do.
imagine what happens if you compare such a system to one that averages 4 mA
My father also has an HD2 and he is running a rom that still has the notification led bug thing going on. Still he gets 3 days battery life out of it!!!
NAND For The Win
NAND is the way to go.
I experienced lots of standby battery fluctuations on SD. After trying almost every SD build that made "battery saving" claims I honestly still couldn't reliably use any of them for day to day use. So I just stuck with Window Mobile.
After flashing to NAND I usually see 1-4mA standby. Even in poor signal spots!
Well seeing that you have that damned 1024 leo, you have the ideal device for android on NAND. Advantages for you:
You have a lot of free storage, prolly 500+ since you got TMOUS
Power consumption is low
Performance in sense builds, for me, has been better, especially with Desire HD builds.
Fast boot time
Disadvantages:
Not as much free storage as to what you can get from SD builds
MAGDLR and installing a NAND build, might pose some problems for you, if you don't read the forum...
If you like winmo then installing android onto NAND may be considered a disadvantage for you.
So I went ahead and tried out the NAND method and I kinda like it but I am confused about few things.
I have read throughout the NAND forum and people keep talking about AP2SD+ thingy. I am still kinda unsure about what it is, but I am guessing its to automatically install all apps onto the SD card instead of the device itself. Am I correct about this?
Also, is there a good clean froyo build? When I was using the SD card method, I used MDJ's Froyo HD 4.6, which didn't have a custom skin. I currently see that the only good NAND build by MDJ is the Froyo Revolution v.2.3. Is there a way to remove the custom theme and revert back to the default?
Also, I see here on the MAGLDR boot menu that there is an option of "Boot AD SD". I went to Services > BootSettings >> AD SD Dir and changed the folder to "Android" which is the location of build on my SD card. I manged to get it to boot, but it just get suck on the boot screen and doesn't load up into the system.
hey why not any one with two hd2 mobiles(one with NAND and the other with SD) make a video comparision so that people could really see the speed and effiency of both roms?.i think this solves the problem!..
i like nand better then sd
Apps2sd that is used in the nand roms stores the bulk of an application on an ext partition on your SD card. This in effect gives you a ton of space for apps.
Nand builds for me work great. Battery life is better than even winmo was, and there aren't any glaring issues remaining. Its becoming very fine tuned in the nand forum. I can't speak for SD builds because I abandoned them a long time ago. You can always flash winmo back if you dont like it.
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as far as windows mobile is concerned its good with battery backup but if i choose between nand and sd i would have gone for nand as its really smooth and without any cons in some built and its going great with provide me better application and a lot to choose without any lags.so a liitle compromise in battery is ok for me though new nand built dont have the battery problem either.Except in few people complainig about battery issue that must be because of wrong installation or their luck
I kind of SD ....
I changed to SD from winmo recently.its smooth and no response problem yet.SD has the advantage that ,I can just go back to winmo on a reboot in case some thing goes wrong with green.I recommend SD at least for beginners.Once you are Ok with it > move to Nand if you want so ....
beat me to the question
ive been trying to decide whether i try out cwm but nand seems to do the trick for me
ive been using nand ever since it came out and i really like but the only reason why i was considering CWM is this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=961679
they dont have a nand version currently im using wp7 about to flash mdj's rom and its really stable i havent had a problem with it ..why would you want to have more than one android os on one device (other than developing) i mean we were all waiting eagerly for nanad and now thats its here we still use the old way lol (not the old way but ..you know what i mean lol)
kidtk said:
ive been trying to decide whether i try out cwm but nand seems to do the trick for me
ive been using nand ever since it came out and i really like but the only reason why i was considering CWM is this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=961679
they dont have a nand version currently im using wp7 about to flash mdj's rom and its really stable i havent had a problem with it ..why would you want to have more than one android os on one device (other than developing) i mean we were all waiting eagerly for nanad and now thats its here we still use the old way lol (not the old way but ..you know what i mean lol)
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Use CWM, the advantage with CWM is that you can backup your NAND build, try other builds, even revert back to winmo if you want, then come back and restore you backed up android and its all back to how you had it, awesome
I have a LEO512 so I stick to Cyanogenmod and MIUI roms, I would like a really nice updated desire rom, but everyone seems to have moved on to desire HD and left the desire rom by cotulla behind, which is a shame because I have issues with some APN's with that build. I've never ran out of space and I don't use app2sd, but maybe I just don't use as many apps as some people.
I used to get sleep of death issues with all SD builds, now I dont get it with NAND, thats probably the best reason to move to NAND, instant wake up.
NAND offer way more functionality, a few appd I've played with wont install on SD android, angry birds is a perfect example, running NAND thus far has no limitations, MIUI has some very stable roms with alot of additional functionality that stock android doesnt
I tried both tytung's Gingerbread SD and NAND.
SD: ~3-5mA, fast, occassional data drop due to CLK-PPP issue
NAND/Magldr: ~1-3mA, fast and stable, no data drop. Everything works great.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905060
richiegopal said:
hey why not any one with two hd2 mobiles(one with NAND and the other with SD) make a video comparision so that people could really see the speed and effiency of both roms?.i think this solves the problem!..
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very nice
thanks thanks
trex3300 said:
I tried both tytung's Gingerbread SD and NAND.
SD: ~3-5mA, fast, occassional data drop due to CLK-PPP issue
NAND/Magldr: ~1-3mA, fast and stable, no data drop. Everything works great.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905060
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You've made a mistake somewhere as it isn't possible to have an SD build via cLK. And 1-3 mA?! Wow I get a consistent 4 mA with Typhoon
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So I have been searching the forum for a while but haven't been able to piece together a good answer from what I have been reading, so I decided to go ahead and ask. I know that these questions have been asked before, more or less, but at the rate development is going, and with the updated Android builds, I would guess things have changed even from 2-3 weeks ago, let alone 2-3 months.
What are the advantages of a NAND build (nowadays anyhow) over SD? Is it the speed?
Is battery life better on NAND or SD or it is really up to the kernel?
Are RAM editions somewhat speedier than their counterparts? if so, are they less stable or something than a regular NAND or SD version? I mean, if they are equally as stable, why isn't every developer doing RAM versions to get the most possible speed?
I know the speed of the SD card helps with SD versions to some extent. I bought a 16GB class 10 Wintec for that purpose, and it seems to do well. At that point, battery nonwithstanding, would be it worth it to go to a NAND build or would the speedy MicroSD make up most (if not all) the difference?
Thanks for the answers in advance. I just wanted to get a little bit of updated info from those in the know
While I am at it, another question to add to the list.
Does the underlying OS make a difference with the SD build? I know that Android should shut down and supersede the WM drivers, but would having WM7 over WM6.5 as the underlying build make any difference whatsoever to anything when booted into Android from SD?
thanks!
Main advantate of NAND is that you can replace SD card without turning off phone. And your build don't rely on speed of SD card. But due to small storage space, many builds still use SD which kinda defeats it's purpose.
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No one has any idea on the other questions? Thanks for your input matejdo.
Again, some info is appreciated.
SD/RAM/NAND?????????????????????????/
I would really like these questions answered too.
I know that so far NAND is more complicated ....
with 2 or even 3 partitions, from EXT2/3/4, < who knows which is best.
And NAND is not as fast as RAM obv but is much safer in regards to corruption.
I have found SD builds to score higher in flops and quadrant than NAND however which is strange. SD is easier to copy to device, other than that im sure all custom roms have their issues. including screen light on lag.
i have tried and loved darkstone ram edition which was rapid but just not all there is you know what i mean, and now after giving up on dandiests desirez3.4/5 in nand and sd after too many lags, crashes and data drops etc im looking at MCCM HD V4 or MCCM GB1.8 SENSE GINGERBREAD as these seem to be the most stable build with all functioning functions but i shall soon see how they fair.........
.............................greatest respect goes to all devs for you efforts
we're nearly there!
but please any input regarding these questions would personally b appreciated!
Ok, here's my 10 cents. Some of this is debatable but these are pretty standard answers.
jotekman said:
What are the advantages of a NAND build (nowadays anyhow) over SD? Is it the speed?
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Yes, speed, responsiveness, battery life, etc.
jotekman said:
Is battery life better on NAND or SD or it is really up to the kernel?
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Battery life is typically better on NAND. Kernels can also make a difference.
jotekman said:
Are RAM editions somewhat speedier than their counterparts? if so, are they less stable or something than a regular NAND or SD version?
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Technically, RAM editions are faster but they are worse on battery life. Data stored in RAM requires constant power and does not survive a power cycle of the phone, therefore the data is stored typically to SD card, which also consumes more power.
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I mean, if they are equally as stable, why isn't every developer doing RAM versions to get the most possible speed?
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Previous answer is why, more power consumption, data stored on SD.
jotekman said:
I know the speed of the SD card helps with SD versions to some extent. I bought a 16GB class 10 Wintec for that purpose, and it seems to do well. At that point, battery nonwithstanding, would be it worth it to go to a NAND build or would the speedy MicroSD make up most (if not all) the difference?
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They say NAND write operations take longer than an SD card but for the life of me I still find it faster when a ROM is running completely off NAND than off NAND and an SD-EXT partition. Or, NAND versus full-SD- there is a huge difference in responsiveness between read speeds. They are much faster on NAND than even a fast SD card.
Hope that helps...
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I know that so far NAND is more complicated ....
with 2 or even 3 partitions, from EXT2/3/4, < who knows which is best.
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It can be more complicated... until you do it once or twice and fully understand how it works. Now that this has all been out a while everything is starting to standardize and more and more ROM's are using the same partition layouts. From a performance perspective there really isn't anything noticeable between EXT 2/3/4.
Oh, most ROM's now also use CWM, which along with an SD-EXT partition can leave you with up to 7 different partitions on your device. Fortunately, you don't really have to manage any of them as the ROM's do all the work once you've set it up once.
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I have found SD builds to score higher in flops and quadrant than NAND however which is strange. SD is easier to copy to device, other than that im sure all custom roms have their issues. including screen light on lag.
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This is due to a slower write speed of NAND storage versus SD storage. But, because the read speed of NAND storage is higher you still get an overall feel of greater responsiveness and speed even though the scores are lower. NAND ROM's are easier to backup and manage via the CWM aspect.
I mean, if they are equally as stable, why isn't every developer doing RAM versions to get the most possible speed?
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Possible problem may be higher amount of RAM needed. Especially sense builds would need a lot of RAM.
I have to disagree with a lot of what the post above mine said... The main difference between NAND and SD builds is with NAND builds you can use clockwork recovery, remove and replace your SD card while booted in android, and maybe a few other small improvement in stability and performance, but nothing too noticeable. Speed and battery life are about the same. You might get a little better battery life on standby with NAND. I generally got 3-5ma drain on standby with NAND, while I get 4-6ma on standby with SD. Speed and performance are pretty much the same because when you're running something with either type of build, it does it from RAM with either type of build. When an app or a process is running, it goes into ram, regardless of where the info was stored. NAND and SD are just the 2 options of where the data is stored when it's not being used by ram. Actually, the NAND in the HD2 can be slower than the NAND in good quality SD cards... but the random access speed is good in the HD2 NAND. But with a high quality SD card, you can get just as good random access speed with SD. That is what makes the performance difference with different SD cards... when the OS is trying to access small amounts of data or write small amounts of data, different SD cards will take different amounts of time to access... and the class rating of the card has nothing to do with that... in fact, class 2 cards tend to have better random access times than class 6 or 10.
But anyways, if you have a good SD card, performance and battery life are about the same... depending on the build of course. Desire HD builds tend to run a little better on NAND... but some recent SD DesireHD builds are good, too. AOSP and CM builds run pretty much the same off of SD and NAND as far as I can tell.
RAM builds work by loading more of the OS files into RAM at startup so that the random access speed of them is improved greatly, since RAM is the fastest memory and where any data is loaded to run anyways... it cuts down on the need to access the SD card for as many small system files, which improves performance and battery life in theory. The RAM is used anyways, so it doesn't use any more power keeping extra data in RAM, and since the SD card isn't accessed as much, it saves power there. But SD doesn't use much power anyways, so it's not really a noticeable power reduction. Also, RAM builds are still pretty experimental, and can have problems with data corruption... if any changes made to the os are not recorded to the SD, then if you lose power suddenly, there can be problems. Also, keeping all those system files in RAM causes you tohave less RAM available to run other apps and such... thats why there's no RAM builds for DesireHD builds, because there's not enough RAM. Personally, I never noticed too much of an increase in RAM builds performance compared to other AOSP SD builds like JDMS. Also, I'm not sure why, but I don't think RAM builds worked very good with NAND. But in theory, the system files in RAM is a good idea, especially for SD cards so it takes some stress off the SD cards. When running a build off SD, your accessing the SD to read and write system files while also accessing it as normal to run your apps or play your music or other data you have on SD. Keeping system files in RAM cuts down on the work the SD needs to do in the same way installing android to NAND does... then the SD is just used to access your media files or apps or data.
So in the end, it all depends on what you want from your phone... if you are not going to use winmo or wp7, and only use android, you might as well put android on nand, even if the improvement isn't that noticeable, because you can then use clockwork for easy updating or flashing roms, and you can change out your sd card, and there may be other small improvements. But if you still use winmo or wp7, then you have to decide if it's worth losing the ability to run more than one OS to give your android the added functionality of clockwork and other improvements. I use android on NAND for a month or so, but I didn't like how it turned my phone into just another android phone... it couldn't do anything that you couldn't do with a desire or evo or other android phone. But with the ability to run winmo or wp7 also, it's the only phone that can do it this well. When wp7 was released for the HD2, it was perfect for me because I wanted to try that OS out, and now I love that OS almost as much as android... I would have a hard time picking between the 2... luckily I don't have to. No other phone can run both of those OS's, either... I feel like I'm really making use of my HD2. If I just wanted android, I would've bought a native android phone from the beginning. But the great thing about the HD2 is no matter what OS you want, the HD2 can do it. People who want just android can make their HD2s almost like a native android phone now that it has clockwork recovery support. People who want 2 OS's can do that too. Android runs great from both SD and NAND... so use what works for you.
the battery life in android roms, is better than original windows mobile?
speed battery and efficiency are the main reasons
Yes it has a beter battery life (imo)
Ram is faster memory wich will make everything very fast, but you have to fuzz with Windows Mobile (?) to get there and that is what people dont like, the I/O on RAM is very fast, thats nice and makes quadrant scores very high
Class 10 card is good for SD versions, but imo that is very outdated, NAND is the way to go, like real Android devices loaded from the phone memory, not ram or sd, wich gives a beter battery life and fast speed (almost like stock) .. and also important , no fuzz with Windows Mobile.
And rest of the data wich isnt on your phone mem can be get of your SD card with a NAND version, cause the phone mem doesnt have rly that much space left after u installed Android on it (enough for enough apps though), class 10 mostly means a faster speed, so it will benefit you in some way
zarathustrax said:
I have to disagree with a lot of what the post above mine said...
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No offense at all, but I really tried to read your massive wall of text but I got lost after the first sentence.
I beleive that the custom android roms do last longer than original winmo. I love this 2.3.2 rom on my HD2. 2.3.2 on my gf's mytouch 4g last about 18 hours on moderate call/text/ use with overclocked on 1.3
Azerox said:
speed battery and efficiency are the main reasons
Yes it has a beter battery life (imo)
Ram is faster memory wich will make everything very fast, but you have to fuzz with Windows Mobile (?) to get there and that is what people dont like, the I/O on RAM is very fast, thats nice and makes quadrant scores very high
Class 10 card is good for SD versions, but imo that is very outdated, NAND is the way to go, like real Android devices loaded from the phone memory, not ram or sd, wich gives a beter battery life and fast speed (almost like stock) .. and also important , no fuzz with Windows Mobile.
And rest of the data wich isnt on your phone mem can be get of your SD card with a NAND version, cause the phone mem doesnt have rly that much space left after u installed Android on it (enough for enough apps though), class 10 mostly means a faster speed, so it will benefit you in some way
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for ex in win mobile, using the hd2 moderatly, how long the battery survive? and in android?
Wow! Lots of great info here!
I have been playing back and forth with different OS's and builds and SD builds and NAND builds etc. My phone is probably screaming at me to give it a break
As per responsiveness, the NAND builds (non-sense) seem to be a little snappier than the SD ones for me. The battery life seems about the same. Haven't had a problem with NAND space as I bought a US HD2 with 1 gig of ROM space, which is plenty for me. I haven't actually delved into the WM7 yet, but after reading this, I think I might give it a whirl and see what happens.
The biggest difference for me between the Android Nand/SD builds was the initial loading times. Which makes not that much of a difference because I tend not to turn off my phone anyhow.
The 2nd biggest difference is the wake from standby. On almost all the SD builds I tried, I would hit the hangup button, and the screen would come on in like 1/3-1/2 a second. If I accidentally hit it twice, I would have to wait 3-4 seconds for it to work properly again.... more presses seemed to do nothing. On a NAND build, it seems like the screen comes on instantly, and does not have the repress issue. But, then again, this is not a big issue for me at all.
The fastest build, by far, that I have tried so far is the Hyperdroid v5 build. It really does respond faster than almost anything I have put on the phone.
Thanks for all the answers people! It really helped to fill in the gaps in my admittedly shaky knowledge!
Digital Outcast said:
No offense at all, but I really tried to read your massive wall of text but I got lost after the first sentence.
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Yeah, sorry about that... I tend to try to fit too much info into a post all at once and I sometimes don't organize it well. I'll also ramble on sometimes to get everything out I'm trying to say and it ends up making the reader miss a lot of the important parts.
zarathustrax said:
Yeah, sorry about that... I tend to try to fit too much info into a post all at once and I sometimes don't organize it well. I'll also ramble on sometimes to get everything out I'm trying to say and it ends up making the reader miss a lot of the important parts.
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i understood it quite well..i think u have alot of valid points.. There arent big differences between sd/ram/nand...its a matter of choice imo..
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if its on sd card it will still load into android after turning off everytime right? i dont want to see windows anymore at all
zarathustrax said:
I have to disagree with a lot of what the post above mine said... The main difference between NAND and SD builds is with NAND builds you can use clockwork recovery, remove and replace your SD card while booted in android, and maybe a few other small improvement in stability and performance, but nothing too noticeable. Speed and battery life are about the same.....
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Thank you for your post it has the best thought out points for and against, and greatly helped me in deciding which build to go for.