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Galaxy Note 10.1 vs Win8 tablets with pen input

I'm waiting for Surface Pro or similar because it's the way to have an ultra book and a Note 10.1 with windows in the same package, but what do you think guys? I I mean, it's a good option or should I buy the Note and then a new ultra book with Win 8? I don't know which option is better, and also I don't know exactly the price of every option
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iZan23 said:
I'm waiting for Surface Pro or similar because it's the way to have an ultra book and a Note 10.1 with windows in the same package, but what do you think guys? I I mean, it's a good option or should I buy the Note and then a new ultra book with Win 8? I don't know which option is better, and also I don't know exactly the price of every option
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It's likely that the Surface Pro will be in the neighborhood of $1000, or at least priced around the same as an ultrabook. Also, to be honest I don't think it's that likely that Windows 8 will succeed in getting a lot of touchscreen friendly apps but with Android you already have that (but it's debatable whether there are enough tablet optimized apps). Windows tablets are fairly nice for handwriting but I imagine everything else would be a pain. Of course, my last experience with a Windows tablet was one that would be 4 years old if it hadn't died catastrophically after just under 2 years, so maybe the Surface Pro will be great and Windows 8 will have a lot of touch optimized apps but I doubt it. Also you're almost certainly going to get a thinner body and better battery life with the Note than the Surface Pro. I considered the Surface Pro for a bit too but after learning that it'll be priced like an Ultrabook I decided the Note 10.1 was for me. The most important part of a PC is the keyboard IMO, I don't really see the advantage of having a tablet that runs Windows when we have a capable mobile OS with a vibrant app ecosystem already.
Edit: I figure though that if Surface Pro is amazing and the Note underwhelms, worst case I'll sell my Note 10.1 for a bit of a loss and get that instead, but I just don't think there's any reason to have a compromise device that has a Core i5 but needs to be light and thin and last long. Anything that needs a Core i5 is going to need a proper keyboard/mouse/work environment anyway.

iZan23 said:
I'm waiting for Surface Pro or similar because it's the way to have an ultra book and a Note 10.1 with windows in the same package, but what do you think guys? I I mean, it's a good option or should I buy the Note and then a new ultra book with Win 8? I don't know which option is better, and also I don't know exactly the price of every option
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I have the Samsung Series 7 Slate with Win8 on it as well as the Note. Two different devices with two different uses. The Note is for apps, watching media, playing games and such while the Slate is for doing work. The slate with apps could do both but not yet as there are not enough apps for those things I use the note for yet. The slate is a notebook replacement which the Note is not.
The slate has a touchscreen with a wacom digitizer and pen, core i5, ssd and is very fast. But it's heavy in comparison and the optional Bluetooth keyboard you have to lug around though it's small. Plus it starts around $1300 plus.
So at this time I have and use both and don't see either replacing the other soon.
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The main reason is for note taking and engineering windows applications, that's the main reason I want two gadgets or one which let's me do both things. Also
I want to see videos and browse the Web but is not the main purpose
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iofthestorm said:
It's likely that the Surface Pro will be in the neighborhood of $1000, or at least priced around the same as an ultrabook. Also, to be honest I don't think it's that likely that Windows 8 will succeed in getting a lot of touchscreen friendly apps but with Android you already have that (but it's debatable whether there are enough tablet optimized apps). Windows tablets are fairly nice for handwriting but I imagine everything else would be a pain. Of course, my last experience with a Windows tablet was one that would be 4 years old if it hadn't died catastrophically after just under 2 years, so maybe the Surface Pro will be great and Windows 8 will have a lot of touch optimized apps but I doubt it. Also you're almost certainly going to get a thinner body and better battery life with the Note than the Surface Pro. I considered the Surface Pro for a bit too but after learning that it'll be priced like an Ultrabook I decided the Note 10.1 was for me. The most important part of a PC is the keyboard IMO, I don't really see the advantage of having a tablet that runs Windows when we have a capable mobile OS with a vibrant app ecosystem already.
Edit: I figure though that if Surface Pro is amazing and the Note underwhelms, worst case I'll sell my Note 10.1 for a bit of a loss and get that instead, but I just don't think there's any reason to have a compromise device that has a Core i5 but needs to be light and thin and last long. Anything that needs a Core i5 is going to need a proper keyboard/mouse/work environment anyway.
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Everything about this post is wrong.
1. Surface Pro is unlikely to be $1000+. The anticipated price range is 600-700. But for now we don't know.
2. Windows 8 will have a slew of touch capable and touch friendly apps coming out at launch, and by Jan 2013 (the release date for Surface Pro) will have just about everything covered.
3. The UX for Win8 is really really good. Today I was watching some videos in bed before getting out with my Note 10.1. I found it stupid that I couldn't swipe from the left to change apps and swipe from the right to get search. The split keyboard on the Note is really nice for these situations but the position of the app switcher button, the home button etc are very uncomfortable to use when using both hands.
BUT even if all these points were not present and infact were bad for Win 8:
4. The biggest feature of the Surface Pro over Note 10.1 is OneNote. There is nothing comparable on any platform. I love my note 10.1 (I have two!) but nothing compares to the handwriting support for OneNote. I can write on the page and easily convert it to text. I can take a fully handwritten page and convert that to text with minimal hassle. S-Note is a nice app but handwriting support is really far behind.
When Surface Pro is out, Note 10.1 like devices will have no chance in competing even with much (or slightly) lower price.
Which is not to say that the Note isn't incredible. It really really is. I love it. But OneNote alone changes the game.

richB7 said:
I have the Samsung Series 7 Slate with Win8 on it as well as the Note. Two different devices with two different uses. The Note is for apps, watching media, playing games and such while the Slate is for doing work. The slate with apps could do both but not yet as there are not enough apps for those things I use the note for yet. The slate is a notebook replacement which the Note is not.
The slate has a touchscreen with a wacom digitizer and pen, core i5, ssd and is very fast. But it's heavy in comparison and the optional Bluetooth keyboard you have to lug around though it's small. Plus it starts around $1300 plus.
So at this time I have and use both and don't see either replacing the other soon.
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Can you plz describe more in detail in which situation you are using the slate for work what the note can't do
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redviper666 said:
I can take a fully handwritten page and convert that to text with minimal hassle. S-Note is a nice app but handwriting support is really far behind.
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For this feature there is an excellent app called 7 notes on Google play, you can hand write your notes within the dedicated app and convert them to text later on. Text can also be formatted although limited however the handwriting recognition is really excellent. One note no doubt is the industry standard however there are alternatives that get the job done.
The handwriting panel can also be used for text entry of required on any app however, if used outside of the dedicated app, it will convert your handwriting to text on the fly.

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4. The biggest feature of the Surface Pro over Note 10.1 is OneNote. There is nothing comparable on any platform. I love my note 10.1 (I have two!) but nothing compares to the handwriting support for OneNote. I can write on the page and easily convert it to text. I can take a fully handwritten page and convert that to text with minimal hassle. S-Note is a nice app but handwriting support is really far behind.
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Cant agree more on the topic of onenote...
This is one of the best products ever... Always loved how amazing this is... Nothing comes close..
Sadly android and ios implementation are terrible.. I would rather use the webversion...

Craiq said:
Can you plz describe more in detail in which situation you are using the slate for work what the note can't do
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MS Office apps. Yes you can use Polaris or whatever on the tablet. Remote desktop onto office desktops using corporate RDP. Visual Studio .Net. Engineering design tools. Of course many aren't available for Win8 yet so some of what I'm talking about were for win7 before I upgraded to 8.
I'd suggest using the Note provided the apps you want run there. If they don't and you do have some other wintel box then you can run those apps from the note using something like spashtop remote.
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HasC said:
For this feature there is an excellent app called 7 notes on Google play, you can hand write your notes within the dedicated app and convert them to text later on. Text can also be formatted although limited however the handwriting recognition is really excellent. One note no doubt is the industry standard however there are alternatives that get the job done.
The handwriting panel can also be used for text entry of required on any app however, if used outside of the dedicated app, it will convert your handwriting to text on the fly.
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QQ I bought the app and it doesn't let you write on the screen. The thing I wanted was for writing on the notes and later process the strokes to text. Oh well, the keyboard (Mazec) is pretty nice with the auto scroll. Worth the $1.

for me the text recognition is very great
I write everything with it and don't use the keyboard any more
with some settings its even more great for me (check them out in the keyboard settings)
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redviper666 said:
QQ I bought the app and it doesn't let you write on the screen. The thing I wanted was for writing on the notes and later process the strokes to text. Oh well, the keyboard (Mazec) is pretty nice with the auto scroll. Worth the $1.
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You can do the above, I do it all the time. Use the dedicated app and Keep your stylus on the Mazec Menu Icon on the bottom left and a pop up will allow you to use stroke mode, the handwriting input panel will change colour. Now when you write, the notes will be in your handwriting, to convert them to text later, longPress on any part of the handwritten text until a menu pops up and pick convert.

HasC said:
You can do the above, I do it all the time. Use the dedicated app and Keep your stylus on the Mazec Menu Icon on the bottom left and a pop up will allow you to use stroke mode, the handwriting input panel will change colour. Now when you write, the notes will be in your handwriting, to convert them to text later, longPress on any part of the handwritten text until a menu pops up and pick convert.
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Yeah I figured that out but I was hoping to get free form writing on the note itself. The samsung keyboard also have such a panel though I think that Mazec one might be a bit easier to use (though it has more trouble recognizing my handwriting).
Incidentally if there anyway to change where the autocomplete suggestions appear? As I am left handed its impossible to see the suggestions as I write. Iff I could move them to the bottom of the keyboard instead of the top that would be a big big benefit.

If the W8 tablets have capacitive displays they''ll suffer the same issues all tablets before them suffered (regardless of OS). What separates the Note (s) is their inductive displays and all that goes along with that. If they do have inductive displays it all comes down to who implements the s/w better. I think you guys are expecting way too much from W8 V1. It took Android until V4 to become passable. Debating the theory of W8 tablets is fun. A lot can happen on the road from theory to practice. I for one want to understand why some of the biggest name OEM's are shunning RT. It's more than just price and competing with MS in h/w which shouldn't be difficult.

Well I was talking of the Pro version which already has great pen apps like One note or zenbrush, photoshop, etc
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BarryH_GEG said:
If the W8 tablets have capacitive displays they''ll suffer the same issues all tablets before them suffered (regardless of OS). What separates the Note (s) is their inductive displays and all that goes along with that. If they do have inductive displays it all comes down to who implements the s/w better. I think you guys are expecting way too much from W8 V1. It took Android until V4 to become passable. Debating the theory of W8 tablets is fun. A lot can happen on the road from theory to practice. I for one want to understand why some of the biggest name OEM's are shunning RT. It's more than just price and competing with MS in h/w which shouldn't be difficult.
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as I know the Note has capazitiv and a induktiv layer! Capazitiv is for your finger and induktiv for the pen
And the Win 8 tablets with pen would have the same
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You really can't compare the two because the Surface Pro will probably be ~2x more expensive, apps probably much more expensive like they are now, it'll be hotter running, with shorter battery life, bulkier and heavier. The Surface Pro won't be much different than installing Windows 8 on my Thinkpad. I bought the Galaxy Note 10.1 instead because I like competition and want to see ARM devices grow more powerful as a desktop and laptop alternative with superior power efficiency and lower cost.

Well of you read the first post, I was asking between a Note 10.1 plus an ultra book or a new windows 8 convertible with both capacitive and digitalizer layers, to be able to use a Wacom style pen, my fingers and the Keyboard, and all of this to take notes plus Engineering programs like Ansys or Catia
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iZan23 said:
Well of you read the first post, I was asking between a Note 10.1 plus an ultra book or a new windows 8 convertible with both capacitive and digitalizer layers, to be able to use a Wacom style pen, my fingers and the Keyboard, and all of this to take notes plus Engineering programs like Ansys or Catia
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I don't think there's enough info available on W8 tablets (Pro or RT) at this point to have anything but a theoretical conversation. The HP TouchPad with webOS was a great product killed by a lack of an eco-system. What's going to be any different, especially on the consumption side, with W8? Pro's not due out until years end and RT will be the launch pproduct. I can't see it doing what you guys are hoping for at the price points being discussed. The success or failure of W8 tables will take months to determine. The biggest differentiator is MS Office support but that's not a motivator for a lot of people or iPad wouldn't be as successful as it is. With consumption being the number one use for a tablet ,being as late as it is, W8 has a tough road to hoe.

Like Barry said, until we know price points, there's really nothing to discuss. Rumor has it RT will debut at $200, which seems too unlikely to be true, but in order to make a dent in the market, Microsoft is gonna have to do something spectacular like that. And if they can gain market share, third party developers will develop for it. I also am looking forward to the Pro tablets, but I seriously doubt they'll be as affordable as the Note. I've been reading they could be $600-800, but I really don't think there's any way they could be cheaper than an ultrabook. The relatively cheaper price point is what drove me to the Note, and unless the W8 Pro tablets are affordable and/or blow everyone away, I can't see myself getting one over the Note.
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Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 vs Window based Tablet experience

I have been a pen/tablet enthusiastic for many years and have owned (and still own) loads of tablet over the years. I currently own and use 4 window based pen-tablets (2 XP, 1 Vista, and 1 Window 7), 2 iPads, 2 iPod touch, Apple Macbook Pro (2009), Apple Macbook Air 13" (2012), Samsung Galaxy Note 5.3, and then the latest Galaxy Note 10.1. I also used to own loads of Window powered PDAs, palm, casio, etc.
As you can see for the list above, I have been looking for the perfect computing experience, especially the pen/tablet experience. I bought the Note 10.1 because of my Note 5.3. IMHO, the Note 10.1 is a decent pen-tablet, and it had made vast improvement over the Ntoe 5.3 in terms of hardware. However, it is the software where I feel is limiting the Note 10.1 from being a perfect pen-tablet machine.
People have already disregard the window based PC as being a serious tablet and they are rightfully so. The XP, Vista, and Window 7 while can be used to run as a tablet, have never been designed for tablet. So my experience with them have always been frustrating. HOWEVER, it was a pleasant surprise to me when I loaded the release preview of Window 8 few weeks ago onto 3 of my old Window tablets.
I have a Samsung Q1UP (6 year old, XP, w/resistive pen, 2GB ram, 64GB SSD), a HP 2710P (4 years old, w/Wavcom pen, 1GB ram, 80GB HDD), an ACER W500 (2 year old, w/touch pen, 2GB ram, 32GB SDD), and when loaded with the Window 8, all 3 machines even though are old have given me a VERY good pen/tablet experience. All 3 tablets now run much faster and very very smooth. The surprise comes when all these tablets are now running more like an Andriod/IOS instead of a typical window os. You can smoothly scroll, zoom, etc just like an iPad or Galaxy Note. The battery life seems to have improved in all these machines, and the time from sleep to logon screen is about 2-3 seconds. Loading programs used to take forever under the old OS, but now I can load excel, word, one-note, etc from cold in about 2 seconds.
Now to the most important part, the pen use with Window 8. The handwriting recognition is much better and faster than the Note 10.1 (for all 3 devices with the resistive pen, wavcom pen, and touch pen). The S-Note in the Note 10.1 is just a tiny program, but the One-Note is a full blown application with seamless integration with Office and Sky Drive, etc.
With the new tablets coming designed specifically with Window 8 in mind, I think Microsoft has risen the par on tablet competition. As the upcoming Samsung Series 5 hybrid tablet, for example, is coming with a $650 based price, 11 hrs battery life (with the optional keyboard), 750g weight, and can run all window software. Even though I have not seen, touch or used one of these new machines, the fact that Window 8 has turned my 6 years old tablet into a brand new machine is exciting for me.
Please don't get me wrong. I think the Samsung Note 10.1 is a decent machine which I will definitely keep. I bought it because I can carry it all day and not worry about battery, and I hardly need to run any PC applications these days when I am out. More importantly if I plan to use the PC all day, I probably need to bring the charger with me which will bring the weight up to 1kg or more. Since I carry my camera with me all day, the Note 10.1 is a better choice for me.
However, if you are looking into serious note taking and also need to run pc applications, I think the Window 8 tablets may be a good alternative. We will all know if this is true when the machines are officially announced in late Oct.
PS: I am in absolutely no way affiliated with any of the companies mentioned about, I am just giving my take on using all these devices over the years.

Good post.
What's your take on the new slate 5 vs surface pro?
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Well you are comparing apples and oranges and also making the logical fallacy that just because you like something others will as well. Based upon your large collection of tablets, price is not a big issue for you. You just want the best tablet experience, period. Thats all good, but the majority of buyers don't share your enthusiasm.
Keep in mind that most people think of their tablets as an accessory and not a primary computing device. As soon as you get much above the $500 price point you are getting into primary computing device territory. But with an 11.6 inch screen, tablets do not offer enough real estate to be an ultrabook replacement, especially for a business person running larger format legacy corporate software. I would go blind trying to read my company's database forms on an 11.6 inch HD screen - they cant just be resized as a Word document can be.
Also, will most business people think touch and pen input are worth trading in their 15 inch ultrabook screens for? I have been using Office for 20 years and never once felt the need to touch the screen. Office needs two things - lots of screens space and a mouse, a W8 Tablet offers neither.
Samsung makes a good profit on the SGN10.1. They could easily drop the price another $50 and still make money. In addition, one would assume that Samsung will be updating the SGN10.1 to the Note 2.0 software which is far far superior. Whereas W8 is a bit of a lumbering behemoth that will take years to see any major upgrades, Android can change and improve quickly. Also Android is far more customizable. Dont forget that word on the street is Windows 8 as a true desktop OS sucks and wont see broad corporate acceptance.
So you have to ask yourself, will the market as a whole be ready to pay 30% more for a device that does a lot of things (touch and pen) on a Windows device they may not need? Don't forget that we are already competing with very good 7 inch tablets that cost less than a third the price of the new W8 tablets.
Windows 8 tablets will be stuck in the middle. Too expensive for the casual user and too small for the serious user. When it comes to tablets most people want one that costs the least and does the job well enough. Think of it like cars. They sell a lot more Ford Focuses than Porsche 911's. The Porsche is a better car but the Ford just does the job for less. SGN10.1 will continue to be the cheapest usable pen input large format tablet on the market for the foreseeable future. It may not work quite as well as the W8 tablet but it works well enough for 1/3 less.
The good news is the competition will force Android to be better but no, I think Android has got little to worry about from Windows 8.
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Well you are comparing apples and oranges and also making the logical fallacy that just because you like something others will as well. Based upon your large collection of tablets, price is not a big issue for you. You just want the best tablet experience, period. Thats all good, but the majority of buyers don't share your enthusiasm.
Keep in mind that most people think of their tablets as an accessory and not a primary computing device. As soon as you get much above the $500 price point you are getting into primary computing device territory. But with an 11.6 inch screen, tablets do not offer enough real estate to be an ultrabook replacement, especially for a business person running larger format legacy corporate software. I would go blind trying to read my company's database forms on an 11.6 inch HD screen - they cant just be resized as a Word document can be.
Also, will most business people think touch and pen input are worth trading in their 15 inch ultrabook screens for? I have been using Office for 20 years and never once felt the need to touch the screen. Office needs two things - lots of screens space and a mouse, a W8 Tablet offers neither.
Samsung makes a good profit on the SGN10.1. They could easily drop the price another $50 and still make money. In addition, one would assume that Samsung will be updating the SGN10.1 to the Note 2.0 software which is far far superior. Whereas W8 is a bit of a lumbering behemoth that will take years to see any major upgrades, Android can change and improve quickly. Also Android is far more customizable. Dont forget that word on the street is Windows 8 as a true desktop OS sucks and wont see broad corporate acceptance.
So you have to ask yourself, will the market as a whole be ready to pay 30% more for a device that does a lot of things (touch and pen) on a Windows device they may not need? Don't forget that we are already competing with very good 7 inch tablets that cost less than a third the price of the new W8 tablets.
Windows 8 tablets will be stuck in the middle. Too expensive for the casual user and too small for the serious user. When it comes to tablets most people want one that costs the least and does the job well enough. Think of it like cars. They sell a lot more Ford Focuses than Porsche 911's. The Porsche is a better car but the Ford just does the job for less. SGN10.1 will continue to be the cheapest usable pen input large format tablet on the market for the foreseeable future. It may not work quite as well as the W8 tablet but it works well enough for 1/3 less.
The good news is the competition will force Android to be better but no, I think Android has got little to worry about from Windows 8.
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Just to better understand your argument, are you including Windows 8 RT in your Windows 8 grouping? Because, that's the version that you want to use when comparing apples to apples (e.g., Android/Apple tablets to Windows 8 tablets), not the X86 Intel versions as you did in your post. For instance, the price point argument, as well as the Ford Focus vs. 911 analogy, will not be applicable, because the products are in different categories/segments (I can't imagine someone cross-shopping a Focus and a 911).

My point is that pound for pound, at least with the Samsung units, you will pay signficantly more for the same level of tablet, even the RT. As a matter of fact the W8 RT offering from Samsung will be slightly worse than the SGN10.1 since the screen is larger with roughly the same resolution. If you dont like the SGN10.1 screen youll hate the W8 RT screen.
For me at least, the primary benefit of Windows over Android is Office programs like Access. Word and Excel are emulated on Android just fine. I dont believe W8 RT will even run Access and if it does I believe the screen is too small to use it effectively with forms designed for a larger screen.
Again, what is the benefit to the consumer of using touch with Office? There is none. So you are trading in a big screen that you do need for touch that you dont.
Tablets are not laptop replacements and if you price them like one you are going to have a problem. They need to be priced like an accessory. Right now at least, Android does that better at the SGN10.1 price. Even $500 is close to being too high.
My conclusion is that W8 Tablets will be too much for a tablet and do too little to replace a laptop. Just my opinion. It may sell gangbusters but I dont think so. We'll have to wait and see. Nevertheless, its presence in the marketpalce will make Android products better
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Well you are comparing apples and oranges and also making the logical fallacy that just because you like something others will as well. Based upon your large collection of tablets, price is not a big issue for you. You just want the best tablet experience, period. Thats all good, but the majority of buyers don't share your enthusiasm.
Keep in mind that most people think of their tablets as an accessory and not a primary computing device. As soon as you get much above the $500 price point you are getting into primary computing device territory. But with an 11.6 inch screen, tablets do not offer enough real estate to be an ultrabook replacement, especially for a business person running larger format legacy corporate software. I would go blind trying to read my company's database forms on an 11.6 inch HD screen - they cant just be resized as a Word document can be.
Also, will most business people think touch and pen input are worth trading in their 15 inch ultrabook screens for? I have been using Office for 20 years and never once felt the need to touch the screen. Office needs two things - lots of screens space and a mouse, a W8 Tablet offers neither.
Samsung makes a good profit on the SGN10.1. They could easily drop the price another $50 and still make money. In addition, one would assume that Samsung will be updating the SGN10.1 to the Note 2.0 software which is far far superior. Whereas W8 is a bit of a lumbering behemoth that will take years to see any major upgrades, Android can change and improve quickly. Also Android is far more customizable. Dont forget that word on the street is Windows 8 as a true desktop OS sucks and wont see broad corporate acceptance.
So you have to ask yourself, will the market as a whole be ready to pay 30% more for a device that does a lot of things (touch and pen) on a Windows device they may not need? Don't forget that we are already competing with very good 7 inch tablets that cost less than a third the price of the new W8 tablets.
Windows 8 tablets will be stuck in the middle. Too expensive for the casual user and too small for the serious user. When it comes to tablets most people want one that costs the least and does the job well enough. Think of it like cars. They sell a lot more Ford Focuses than Porsche 911's. The Porsche is a better car but the Ford just does the job for less. SGN10.1 will continue to be the cheapest usable pen input large format tablet on the market for the foreseeable future. It may not work quite as well as the W8 tablet but it works well enough for 1/3 less.
The good news is the competition will force Android to be better but no, I think Android has got little to worry about from Windows 8.
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WOW!! I wished someone had warned me about troll living here and that no comments other than good Note 10.1 comments are allowed in this forum. This will be my last post in the forum, leaving you alone to harass other people.
The observation in my original post is based on actual experience. Yours seemed to be based on pure speculations and imaginations. I truly doubt you have similar experience before making your comments. I welcome you to try them first and proof me wrong, or stop making illogical fallacy.
1. I read many of the owners who bought the Note 10.1 because of the S-Pen. Some owners even suggested potential buyers to look elsewhere if they are purely looking for an Android tablet as there are better alternatives out there. At present, only the Note 10.1 and Window tablets offer pens experience, so I don’t understand why you think it is an apple to orange comparison.
2. When I composed the list of devices I own, I was hoping to give some background on the wide variety of devices/OS I have used, so that I can make my points. But you turned it into a show-off list.
3. You mentioned “…20 years and never once felt the need to touch the screen”, then you went to buy the Note 10.1 and other touch devices, interesting!
4. The ACER W500 Win 7 tablet I bought 2 years ago brand new was $550 then (the Note 10.1 is about the same price range). The hardware was mediocre at the time, and it sucked with Win 7. I was amused how Window 8 has turned it into a very respectable tablet, with very fast and accurate hand writing recognition, and good note experience with One-Note, then further suggested today’s hardware could only do better. You turned it into a Ford and Porsche comparison. I bet you had never owned a Porsche before, so it is a mood point arguing with you here.
5. You must be the CFO of Samsung as you knew how much profit they are making on the SGN10.1, and can easily drop the price by another $50. BTW, Samsung also makes the upcoming Window 8 tablet with MSRP of $649 and respectable hardware (S-PEN, 11.6” , 1366 x 768, 2GB Ram, 9 hrs battery life, 750g, and 64GB SSD http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/29/samsung-announces-series-5-slate-series-7-slate/). Based on your insider knowledge, Samsung could also easily drop the price by another $50 for the Window tablet. Then there are other tablets makers that produce cheaper devices.
6. I had never once suggested Window 8 will take over Android or even compete with it, so I think you are making your comments based on illusion.
Best wishes!

Lol, i guess your definition of "troll"is anyone who disagrees with you? You come to the SGN10.1 Forum announcing that our tablet is "just ok" while the W8 tablets will be the Second Coming and you don't expect any pushback?
I made the argument that the W8 tablets will have a difficult time finding their place in a competitive market. Many pundits online agree with me. Too expensive for a tablet, too small for a laptop. You imply that I said you were bragging about all your tablets. I simply said that you were concerned more about performance than price. How did you get from that that i said you were bragging?
As far as knowing the Samsung can cut the price of the SGN10.1 and still make money that is a well established fact. Google is your friend.
Oh well, if you must leave I am sorry. Im sure there is someone in here that will miss you praising the W8 tablets and putting down the SGN10.1.
P.S. Actually I am a BMW man myself. The center console on Porsche is too wide and presses against my shin because I am tall. The Ford/Porsche comparison was an attempt to compare a tool which can do the job at a lower cost vs one that offers good things but perhaps things that cost conscious people dont need.
Touch with Office is a perfect example of this. Why does anyone need touch with Office? Id rather have a 15 inch screen.
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For those who feel, as the OP does, that I am pulling my concerns about W8 Tablets from my backside, here is a quote from PCWorld Magazine:
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscent..._8_tablets_have_what_it_takes_to_succeed.html
There are a number of issues that could make Windows 8 tablets dead on arrival, or at least a very tough sell. Two of the biggest will be price, and confusion over differences between Windows on ARM (WOA) tablets, and x86/x64 architecture tablets.
ARM-based devices will probably be better tablets than their x86/x64 counterparts. WOA tablets will most likely be lighter, cooler, have longer battery life, and--most importantly--be cheaper. ARM-based tablets will be more on par with the competing tablets already in the market like the iPad, Motorola Xoom, Samsung Galaxy Tab, and others.
That all sounds great, but WOA tablets also come with significant handicaps that nullify most of what makes a Windows 8 tablet appealing. For example, WOA tablets can’t run traditional Windows software--they require apps written for the Metro UI.
Wes Miller from GetWired.com and Directions on Microsoft poses the question, “For enterprises who will have to rewrite their (non-Web) applications in Metro for WOA anyway, the question comes up, "why wouldn't I rewrite it for iOS instead?", since there is no way to run non-Microsoft Win32 apps on WOA.”
The bigger issue for WOA tablets is that Microsoft has revealed they are intended for “unmanaged environments”. What that translates to is that WOA tablets will not be able to connect to Windows domains and be managed like x86/x64 Windows 8 tablets, and other Windows systems.
Amobi says that there are arguments to be made for and against WOA tablets, and it’s still too early for a final verdict. But, he stresses, “If they cant join domains--game over.”
No worries. We still have x86/x64 Windows 8 tablets to fall back on, right? True, but there are some caveats.
An x86/x64 tablet is just squeezing a notebook or desktop into a touchscreen, flat-panel form factor. That has advantages, but we also know that running Windows takes a fair amount of processing horsepower and memory. While it may be possible to run Windows 8 with less RAM, 4GB is probably the minimum for acceptable performance. That is four times what most ARM tablets use.
When you build a tablet on x86/x64 architecture, and try to beef up the RAM to deliver adequate performance, the tablet starts to face other issues. As previously mentioned, users want tablets that are thin, light, and have endurance to last all day on a single charge. It is unlikely that x86/x64 tablets can truly compete with ARM-based rivals in these areas.
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As I have stated, W8 Tablets will be stuck in the middle. RT too underpowered to run true Windows software and Pro too small to run true Windows software properly.
DOA.
Hopefully these facts have taken some of the emotion out of this argument.

What the heck OP, please respond to my original question!
New slate 5 vs surface pro. Based on your experience, should we (consumers) wait for the SP release before purchasing.
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mitchellvii, you are assuming too much and treating your "opinion" as the gospel truth.
Have you used OneNote on a tablet computer? S-Note is the extremely light version of OneNote when it comes to note-taking (not doodling or sketching, etc). It is certain that it will get better over time, but the current/first generation is a good introduction to what it can do in the future.
From drawing and sketching point of view, I can make the same argument that you are making for Office and touch. Note 10.1 most likely won't replace anyone's Wacom tablet to produce art on a 10.1" screen. With the same perspective as yours, this falls right in the middle: not enough for professionals and little more than people who aren't into drawing/sketching necessarily.
Just like the OP, I'm not putting down the Note 10.1; I'm actually waiting for the UPS truck to bring a 32GB version today. However, you don't have to blindly defend it when an alternative view is presented. Just embrace the fact that for every device with additional features (e.g., being able to run OneNote and a full OS on a tablet), there's a segment out there. If you are outside of that segment or find some of those features not very useful for your way of using a tablet, it's perfectly fine, as long as you realize the advantages and disadvantages of each device with an open mind.

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mitchellvii, you are assuming too much and treating your "opinion" as the gospel truth.
Have you used OneNote on a tablet computer? S-Note is the extremely light version of OneNote when it comes to note-taking (not doodling or sketching, etc). It is certain that it will get better over time, but the current/first generation is a good introduction to what it can do in the future.
From drawing and sketching point of view, I can make the same argument that you are making for Office and touch. Note 10.1 most likely won't replace anyone's Wacom tablet to produce art on a 10.1" screen. With the same perspective as yours, this falls right in the middle: not enough for professionals and little more than people who aren't into drawing/sketching necessarily.
Just like the OP, I'm not putting down the Note 10.1; I'm actually waiting for the UPS truck to bring a 32GB version today. However, you don't have to blindly defend it when an alternative view is presented. Just embrace the fact that for every device with additional features (e.g., being able to run OneNote and a full OS on a tablet), there's a segment out there. If you are outside of that segment or find some of those features not very useful for your way of using a tablet, it's perfectly fine, as long as you realize the advantages and disadvantages of each device with an open mind.
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"Please don't get me wrong. I think the Samsung Note 10.1 is a decent machine which I will definitely keep."
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Nice of him to let us know our SGN10.1 is "a decent machine" (compared to the glowing oracle of W8). I consider that a put-down.
"Blindly defending"? As in, just making up stuff you mean? Did you even bother read the article? Lol. Read it and get back to me on my blind defense.

mitchellvii said:
The OP said:
Nice of him to let us know our SGN10.1 is "a decent machine" (compared to the glowing oracle of W8). I consider that a put-down.
"Blindly defending"? As in, "just making up stuff" you mean? Did you even bother read the article? Lol. Read it and get back to me on my blind defense.
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You really must love the Note 10.1 like your significant other. Calling it a "decent machine" is an insult? As I mentioned above, keep an open mind, and you'll be able to see the strengths and the weaknesses of each device.

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The OP said:
Nice of him to let us know our SGN10.1 is "a decent machine" (compared to the glowing oracle of W8). I consider that a put-down.
"Blindly defending"? As in, just making up stuff you mean? Did you even bother read the article? Lol. Read it and get back to me on my blind defense.
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Yes you are. You posted an article filled with opinions from Mar and think that these are facts. They are not.
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mitchellvii said:
"Blindly defending"? As in, just making up stuff you mean? Did you even bother read the article? Lol. Read it and get back to me on my blind defense.
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So, stating someone else's opinion is a fact, now? Got it! Let me find that Verge review and link it here as the "fact" about Note 10.1.
Again... I purchased the damn thing and will be using it to its full potential. However, unlike you, I'll keep an open mind and try the Samsung Smart PC offerings (specifically the Series 5). If it performs well, it'll replace the Note 10.1 (or I may keep both, since they serve different functions); if not, I'll continue to use it happily.

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Have you used OneNote on a tablet computer? S-Note is the extremely light version of OneNote when it comes to note-taking (not doodling or sketching, etc). It is certain that it will get better over time, but the current/first generation is a good introduction to what it can do in the future.
From drawing and sketching point of view, I can make the same argument that you are making for Office and touch. Note 10.1 most likely won't replace anyone's Wacom tablet to produce art on a 10.1" screen. With the same perspective as yours, this falls right in the middle: not enough for professionals and little more than people who aren't into drawing/sketching necessarily.
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Three things are missing from this conversation to make it worthwhile.
1) Everyone uses their tablets differently. A gamer, heavy productivity user, graphic artist, reader, and someone who uses it primarily for consumption all have different needs. And someone's personal weighting of those things determine which product is "best" for them. I could easily see someone needing OneNote (and MS Office in general) jumping on W8 just for that. Same thing for a graphic artist who wants access to desktop versions of tools they typically use. How many of them there are and how well W8 tablets do more pedestrian things will determine their success, not our discussion.
2) We're comparing something that doesn't exist to something that does. Unless you all intend to go out and buy an Acer W500 with 4 hours of battery life and that weighs two pounds this is at best a theoretical conversation until actual W8 tablets are in people's hands and can be evaluated in real-world use. And don't forget the Pro tablets come with all the stuff we love about Windows: 1) driver incompatibilities, 2) control panel, and 3) multiple menus, clicks, and "enters," to launch or access something. The UI formally known as Metro doesn't hide the fact that there's a huge resource intensive hulk of an OS to be tamed running in the background. How many general-use iPad candidates do you think will find that acceptable? And they’re MS’s bogie, not the 20% of the tablet market that’s using Android.
3) Until the complete feature set is known for both RT and Pro tablets and what apps will be available to them initially you can't have a price-value conversation. I highly doubt entry-level consumer targeted RT tablets will do some of things being discussed. Similarly if a loaded Pro tablet is $1K that changes the conversation when comparing it to a $500 Android tablet.
I'll check back in with you guys once the tablets are in people's hands for a while and then we can have a legitimate conversation of the pros and cons of each.
BTW, here's an excerpt of a review of the HP TouchPad when it was first released. Just because a monolithic company launches something its success isn't guaranteed. It’s too early to say whether W8 tablets will be a Zune or an XBox 360 for MS and no one here can do anything but proffer an opinion as to which way it will go.
"You would almost think that webOS had been designed for tablets from the very beginning. It feels more native to tablets than any other software on any other tablet, despite being an almost exact translation of the phone interface (minus almost all of the bezel gestures). Multitasking on anything else feels almost stupid compared to Cards. An open app is a card. You can stack them, sort them, re-arrange them, and when you're done, close them. Juggling a bunch makes you feel like you're getting stuff done. Palm's big tablet adaptation, panes, is a straight riff on the iPad Twitter UI. So in email and other complex apps, you slide layers—inboxes, message lists, actual messages—back and forth to move between them. Notifications, which pop down from the top of the scree, let you flip through the pile, one at a time, without ever opening the app-handy if you get IMs from five different people. They're great ideas."​

BarryH_GEG said:
Three things are missing from this conversation to make it worthwhile.
1) Everyone uses their tablets differently. A gamer, heavy productivity user, graphic artist, reader, and someone who uses it primarily for consumption all have different needs. And someone's personal weighting of those things determine which product is "best" for them. I could easily see someone needing OneNote (and MS Office in general) jumping on W8 just for that. Same thing for a graphic artist who wants access to desktop versions of tools they typically use. How many of them there are and how well W8 tablets do more pedestrian things will determine their success, not our discussion.
2) We're comparing something that doesn't exist to something that does. Unless you all intend to go out and buy an Acer W500 with 4 hours of battery life and that weighs two pounds this is at best a theoretical conversation until actual W8 tablets are in people's hands and can be evaluated in real-world use. And don't forget the Pro tablets come with all the stuff we love about Windows: 1) driver incompatibilities, 2) control panel, and 3) multiple menus, clicks, and "enters," to launch or access something. The UI formally known as Metro doesn't hide the fact that there's a huge resource intensive hulk of an OS to be tamed running in the background. How many general-use iPad candidates do you think will find that acceptable? And they’re MS’s bogie, not the 20% of the tablet market that’s using Android.
3) Until the complete feature set is known for both RT and Pro tablets and what apps will be available to them initially you can't have a price-value conversation. I highly doubt entry-level consumer targeted RT tablets will do some of things being discussed. Similarly if a loaded Pro tablet is $1K that changes the conversation when comparing it to a $500 Android tablet.
I'll check back in with you guys once the tablets are in people's hands for a while and then we can have a legitimate conversation of the pros and cons of each.
BTW, here's an excerpt of a review of the HP TouchPad when it was first released. Just because a monolithic company launches something its success isn't guaranteed. It’s too early to say whether W8 tablets will be a Zune or an XBox 360 for MS and no one here can do anything but proffer an opinion as to which way it will go.
"You would almost think that webOS had been designed for tablets from the very beginning. It feels more native to tablets than any other software on any other tablet, despite being an almost exact translation of the phone interface (minus almost all of the bezel gestures). Multitasking on anything else feels almost stupid compared to Cards. An open app is a card. You can stack them, sort them, re-arrange them, and when you're done, close them. Juggling a bunch makes you feel like you're getting stuff done. Palm's big tablet adaptation, panes, is a straight riff on the iPad Twitter UI. So in email and other complex apps, you slide layers—inboxes, message lists, actual messages—back and forth to move between them. Notifications, which pop down from the top of the scree, let you flip through the pile, one at a time, without ever opening the app-handy if you get IMs from five different people. They're great ideas."​
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With the exception of one person, we are all on the same page here. Below is an excerpt from the OP. To me, it overlaps very well with your points and my argument. Somehow, this was turned into "How dare you put down Note10.1? Windows 8 tablets are DOA!" bickery.
With the new tablets coming designed specifically with Window 8 in mind, I think Microsoft has risen the par on tablet competition. As the upcoming Samsung Series 5 hybrid tablet, for example, is coming with a $650 based price, 11 hrs battery life (with the optional keyboard), 750g weight, and can run all window software. Even though I have not seen, touch or used one of these new machines, the fact that Window 8 has turned my 6 years old tablet into a brand new machine is exciting for me.
Please don't get me wrong. I think the Samsung Note 10.1 is a decent machine which I will definitely keep. I bought it because I can carry it all day and not worry about battery, and I hardly need to run any PC applications these days when I am out. More importantly if I plan to use the PC all day, I probably need to bring the charger with me which will bring the weight up to 1kg or more. Since I carry my camera with me all day, the Note 10.1 is a better choice for me.
However, if you are looking into serious note taking and also need to run pc applications, I think the Window 8 tablets may be a good alternative. We will all know if this is true when the machines are officially announced in late Oct.
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[email protected] said:
WOW!! I wished someone had warned me about troll living here and that no comments other than good Note 10.1 comments are allowed in this forum. This will be my last post in the forum, leaving you alone to harass other people.
Best wishes!
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[email protected], welcome. Sorry about the resident W8 Hater. I recommend to just ignore him.
Thank you for sharing your experience with your Note(s) and your tablets with Windows 8! My experience with my Note 10.1 is pretty much the same as yours. I am really looking forward to trying out a Surface Pro or one of the other new W8 tablets that are coming out. Your post has just seriously reinforced that!
When you use One Note on a tablet, does it give you inking features for drawing pictures and hand writing notes similar to what S-Note does? I have W8 and One Note, but no Ink-enabled device to put them on to play with it myself.

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With the exception of one person, we are all on the same page here.
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Who are "we?" I have no idea what everyone here's needs are. I also have no idea what the "cons" are going to be that will without doubt go along with the rosy PR blurb “pros” being thrown out. I'm in marketing so perhaps I'm less susceptible to spin than some of you guys because I create it. MS lost their way and have a bunch of simultaneous "Hail Mary's" launching concurrently (Cloud, W8 the OS, and W8 the tablet). I wish them nothing but the best. But I'd like to see some traction gained before drinking their Kool-Aid and declaring their success. And that will take months to realize. I'm a heavy productivity user and use OneNote, MS Office, and SharePoint so therefore a candidate for a W8 tablet. Only I'm not as eager to throw out my fairly evolved Android device to experience V1 of the h/w and s/w of an alternative. Months from now I may own a W8 tablet. Based on my personal needs and usage there's absolutely no rush. You guys can go first and if the world's not flat I'll follow you.

BarryH_GEG said:
Who are "we?" I have no idea what everyone here's needs are. I also have no idea what the "cons" are going to be that will without doubt go along with the rosy PR blurb “pros” being thrown out. I'm in marketing so perhaps I'm less susceptible to spin than some of you guys because I create it. MS lost their way and have a bunch of simultaneous "Hail Mary's" launching concurrently (Cloud, W8 the OS, and W8 the tablet). I wish them nothing but the best. But I'd like to see some traction gained before drinking their Kool-Aid and declaring their success. And that will take months to realize. I'm a heavy productivity user and use OneNote, MS Office, and SharePoint so therefore a candidate for a W8 tablet. Only I'm not as eager to throw out my fairly evolved Android device to experience V1 of the h/w and s/w of an alternative. Months from now I may own a W8 tablet. Based on my personal needs and usage there's absolutely no rush. You guys can go first and if the world's not flat I'll follow you.
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"We" as in "people who currently own the Note 10.1 and wanted to try and see the potential of upcoming Windows 8 tablets without forming any assumptions based on others' opinions". As you can see, nobody is saying that this will be a huge success, it's going to be "superior" or will definitely trump other tablets, etc. Let's see if the potential of the device is met by the hardware and the software first. As I stated, I have my reservations for the Atom-based CPU and 2 GB RAM in the Series 5. If it can't handle the load, I won't be moving over to the Series 7, because it's too heavy and pricey for me. I thought this was the original discussion.

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Promise and potential are very different from practice and reality. And sometimes when they collide it isn’t pretty. Since this entire conversation is theoretical there can never be a decisive conclusion. I really don't have an opinion and won't until I can personally play with a W8 tablet and see how well it does the things I need it to do. Even then, my conclusion will only apply to me and my individual needs.
Think about this. Here's the iPad demographic.
iPad ownership is skewed toward young customers, with 27% of owners between 25 and 34. The average iPad owner is affluent, with a median income of $85,000 a year. Most importantly, they are much more likely to be buying things.​
Don't you think that audience is using MS Office and OneNote professionally to earn the higher median income they do? Apple's sold 100MM iPads with no native access to MS Office. Taking a broader view I don't think it's the "killer app" many of you believe it will be. Especially if it comes at the price of a less refined h/w and s/w experience. There's also a certain cache that comes from owning an iPad. Android tablet owners tend to be classified as rugged individualists and technology enthusiasts. What will W8 tablet owners be? People that need access to MS apps? Pretty low on the "cool" scale, no? There’s more to a product’s success than just functionality.
Just food for thought while we're discussing the potential mass-market (in other words, not us) success of W8 tablets.

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Just food for thought while we're discussing the potential mass-market (in other words, not us) success of W8 tablets.
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Which we weren't until some folks hijacked the thread and went totally OT from the OP...

Will Microsoft surface pro kill this tablet and all Android tablets?

just wondering if the release of Microsoft surface Windows 8 pro will render all the Android tablets outdated...
what would be the fate of g note 10.1, when the surface hits the shelf Feb 9th? Will you dish your note?
let's talk about its pro and cons

Will it be the finished article is the usual MS new release question .
jje

First of all, windows 8 sucks.
Ring out, Galaxy Note 10.1 is still the winner. Dont see anything useful in the surface pro and win8. too complicated for me as a win7 user, and the surface pro is too expensive. I still dont regret that I have bought the note 10.1
There's nothing to discuss about.

I don't like Windows 8 at all. This is the first Windows OS that I haven't updated my home systems to as soon as they are available. And it's not a matter of cost since I have access to 10 licenses at no cost. I installed it on my laptop and tried to use it for a few weeks and went back to 7.
While I think it's an OS that's more suitable for a tablet or phone than a desktop, I still think it's awful. I just think MS made a huge mistake with this thing.
IOW, my Note isn't going anywhere in the near future. And when it goes, it won't be for a Surface anything.

Yes. The gnote wasn't that good of a tablet anyways and the only thing appealing about it was the wacom digitizer, in which case the Surface Pro has it outclassed because you can run full fledged applications such as photoshop on it. ARM tablets are toys compared to x86 tablets but it in the future you'll still see low cost tablets from the Nexus series being popular.
Really even atom tablets today does tremendously more than what $500 android tablets are capable off and they often cost only $50 to a $100 more. And with incoming Haswell it'll address any negatives such as battery life. But with that being said atom tablets are already well within 10 to 11 hours of battery life while i5 variants are ranging around 5 to 7. Unless manufactures see this as a method of profit and start to include smaller and smaller batteries, (or razor thin ones) x86 tablets in the future will be comparable if not better in battery life while offering substantially more power.

simple answer.
NO.

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In before stupid gNote zealots attack and flame any attempt to have a honest conversation about the Pros & Cons of the gNote.
Just like before http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1869148
Because the gNote has no Cons and does no wrongs.

BBlax said:
Yes. The gnote wasn't that good of a tablet anyways and the only thing appealing about it was the wacom digitizer, in which case the Surface Pro has it outclassed because you can run full fledged applications such as photoshop on it.
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Surely using a stylus on ps touch, is 10x better than using your finger on a surface pro. Outclassed :laugh:

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... But with that being said atom tablets are already well within 10 to 11 hours of battery life while i5 variants are ranging around 5 to 7.
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Which i5 tablets get 5 - 7 of actual use? As a previous owner of one who just ditched it for the note I am very curious. My biggest problem was by far sub par battery life.
I think surface pro is the future of the Windows branch of "PC" for the masses....even though it will take a couple of years before they are palatable. But unfortunately I also think that the market is much larger for casual users (those who initially only want web and email). IPad, Asus, Samsung tablets are going to become even more prevalent. 20 years ago only ultrageeks used computers, today grandma has a Facebook acct. There are so many people that mobile computing is being used by now.
People who want to run Photoshop and other real warez will be fulfilled by the new surface pro types that I think eventually will become laptop and desktop replacements as well. At the same time the Apple and Android apps are slowly closing the gap. There is much more complex software available for mobile platforms than there was just a few years ago. This is where many new developers have emerged and it is a market where traditional softwares are dying to get into.
Microsoft is wayyyyy to late to the game, and they will never capture the casual users. I think they will hold a smaller market of business and previous PC users who haven't yet completely jumped ship. Apple and Android are here to stay as the majority, and Microsoft unfortunately as the minority.
That being said I still use my custom built Intel Z77/i5 3570K-based PC with 32GB RAM and Samsung 830 SSDs for RAW photo editing in Lightroom and Photoshop, using MATLAB, Visual Studio, Mathematica, Sony Vegas, Handbrake, Acrobat, etc, etc, as well as an occasional game of BF3. I use my phone and tablet for everything else.
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I love my note 10.1 I look at all info on tablets cause of curiosity but so far I want for nothing my note does all I want it to be able to do
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I think my desktop is enough for windows . I dont need windows tablet . My note 10.1 enough for me outside my house

just like others have said a big NO, i'm sure you have heard recently android is growing fast in terms of market share, microsoft dropped everything and tried to catch up with windows 8, too little, too late, microsoft are not only alienating thier pc gamer userbase with such a horrofic UI in windows 8 but most gaming card drivers don't work on 8 so why should they upgrade and loose features?
lets see if anyone will take something like that outside to work and be a laughing stock, the app store is nothing compared to ios and android, microsoft will never compare to either of them, not even a child can use windows 8 properly check out youtube and see for yourself, windows 8 is overcomplicated sqeezing tablet features into a desktop is the dumbest idea i have heard in my life, what the were they thinking?

Been Waiting on Microsoft Surface Pro for Work
Well, I own a Galaxy Nexus and N7 and have owned an iPad4. I am anxiously awaiting the MS SPro because I am hoping that the stylus integration will truly eliminate the use of pen/pad of my note taking. I also look forward to the integrate of the stylus with One Note.
The MS SPro stopped me from buying a Google Nexus 10 (no pen); Galaxy Note 10.1 (pen but less than ideal integration with Google Drive - i.e., no editing of slide presentations in the Drive).
If the writing experience is good; if I can access my PowerPoint presentations within the SkyDrive and edit them with the stylus, or touch screen, or keyboard and if the integration with One Note is good, particularly using the pen .... the MS SPro may become the preferred business tablet ...
with Google Tablets occupying the purely consumption space.

VERY Good point about annotating Power Points.
So far it's been basically impossible to do on Android.
No one wants to have to convert to PDF all the time.
Until SoftMaker remakes their Office Suite to the same level of functionality as their Windows Mobile 6 version (which basically WAS MS Office) Android can never be a serious productivity tool.
So far lots of Office Suites miss a majority of functions and even LOSE document data you originally had put in the document from the official MS Office, if you save.

With the gazillions MS spent on advertising Surface RT and even opening pop-up stores in malls to sell it they sold fewer than 1MM over the holidays. Samsung canceled plans to bring to bring the Ativ RT to the U.S. because of lack of consumer interest. Surface Pro is nothing more than Surface RT with the ability to run legacy Windows apps. The devices are twice as thick, twice as heavy, and battery life is unknown. The real change in personal computing is the addition of touch screen interaction and you'll see most new ultrabooks and notebooks including it. When that happens it's really just a choice of picking the Windows device that best suits people's needs - a small light ultrabook with a touchscreen with better battery life or a heavy Surface Pro with limitations and a removable display. Legacy Windows with all of its viruses and maintenance chores really isn't a competitor to consumption devices like iPad and Android tablets. And unless something changes Surface RT is already a fail. Samsung canceling the Ativ RT and releasing updated G-Tab's next month is a pretty good that Android will be around for awhile.

well, February 9th is just around the corner.... let's wait and see if Microsoft will surprise us.

I actually have a surface rt as well. It's inferior to the Note in almost all ways, but it definitely has two advantages.
1 the type keyboard is extremely nice to use and convenient
2 native ms office support is great when you need to work with word, ppt docs, and etc
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padesy said:
well, February 9th is just around the corner.... let's wait and see if Microsoft will surprise us.
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There's no surprise, here's the specs from their site. In the 64GB version, because the OS and installed apps are huge, there's only 23GB left for the user. And it's already confirmed to get half the battery life of Surface RT.
http://www.microsoft.com/Surface/en-US/surface-with-windows-8-pro/specifications
So...
$999 - 128GB Surface Pro (23GB is way too little available storage)
$250 - Office 2013 license (it's not included in Surface Pro)
$130 - "Type" cover (the "touch" cover included would drive productivity users nuts)
$1,379
I don't see people lining up for it.
Here's an interesting article comparing the RT to Pro...
http://www.zdnet.com/why-im-not-trading-my-surface-rt-for-a-surface-pro-7000010132/

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Surely using a stylus on ps touch, is 10x better than using your finger on a surface pro. Outclassed :laugh:
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Except the Surface Pro has a full sized pen power by a Wacom digitizer.
Full HD too. No 800p crap.
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Which i5 tablets get 5 - 7 of actual use? As a previous owner of one who just ditched it for the note I am very curious. My biggest problem was by far sub par battery life.
I think surface pro is the future of the Windows branch of "PC" for the masses....even though it will take a couple of years before they are palatable. But unfortunately I also think that the market is much larger for casual users (those who initially only want web and email). IPad, Asus, Samsung tablets are going to become even more prevalent. 20 years ago only ultrageeks used computers, today grandma has a Facebook acct. There are so many people that mobile computing is being used by now.
People who want to run Photoshop and other real warez will be fulfilled by the new surface pro types that I think eventually will become laptop and desktop replacements as well. At the same time the Apple and Android apps are slowly closing the gap. There is much more complex software available for mobile platforms than there was just a few years ago. This is where many new developers have emerged and it is a market where traditional softwares are dying to get into.
Microsoft is wayyyyy to late to the game, and they will never capture the casual users. I think they will hold a smaller market of business and previous PC users who haven't yet completely jumped ship. Apple and Android are here to stay as the majority, and Microsoft unfortunately as the minority.
That being said I still use my custom built Intel Z77/i5 3570K-based PC with 32GB RAM and Samsung 830 SSDs for RAW photo editing in Lightroom and Photoshop, using MATLAB, Visual Studio, Mathematica, Sony Vegas, Handbrake, Acrobat, etc, etc, as well as an occasional game of BF3. I use my phone and tablet for everything else.
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Acer W700. It has a 1000mah larger battery than the Surface Pro.

Returned it for Surface 2 Pro for serious PDF editing and note taking

No doubt this tablet has light weight, gorgeous screen, and lots of nice features. But, EZPdf force closes three times today and lacks the feature of simultaneous SPen freehand and finger scrolling. LectureNotes is better than SNote but is not there with OneNote. Sigh ~ for productivity, Surface 2 Pro appears to be a better choice at the moment despite its heavier weight, shorter battery life, and fewer gaming and entertainment apps. There is little fault on Samsung but the editing apps of Android tablet are not there yet.

definitely wrong about the few apps for gaming and entertainment. you've got a crapload of apps available for desktop mode and better apps at that (though that can be debated by some). but there on the modern ui side, it sucks.
android is great for "playing around" but when i need to do work or just want more power i pull out the ativ 700t.

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No doubt this tablet has light weight, gorgeous screen, and lots of nice features. But, EZPdf force closes three times today and lacks the feature of simultaneous SPen freehand and finger scrolling. LectureNotes is better than SNote but is not there with OneNote. Sigh ~ for productivity, Surface 2 Pro appears to be a better choice at the moment despite its heavier weight, shorter battery life, and fewer gaming and entertainment apps. There is little fault on Samsung but the editing apps of Android tablet are not there yet.
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Comparing a $1k tablet pc using a $400 office suite ($100 for home/student) to a $500 mobile tablet using a $0.99 app should result in pretty different experiences.

I really think switching this tab (if you have it) for a surface pro is a bad choice.
This one is good at taking notes I think.
Don't know if syncing s-note with Evernote adds anything, but syncing is always good.

Use mantano reader pro, people keep saying they use ezpdf but it's rubbish and laggy, there's much better readers to try
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The Surface may do some things better than the N10.1-14 and Android because of its old-school Windows roots but holding a 2 pound tablet (the N10.1-14 is 1.2 pounds) as a means of note taking isn't for me.

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Comparing a $1k tablet pc using a $400 office suite ($100 for home/student) to a $500 mobile tablet using a $0.99 app should result in pretty different experiences.
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This

Just returned the Note 10.1 tonight to Best Buy which I had purchased for the wifey as her early Christmas present. She didn't like it b/c it sucked as a laptop replacement when it comes to browsers, Office editing & creation, and simple file explorer/management. She wanted a Surface Pro 2 instead but she didn't get it b/c it wasn't offered in white, it's a bit heavy for her, and the price (bang for the buck). I agree with her. Current Android tabs are still not there if one is looking for more than just ''consuming.''
Ah well, I got my $550 back.
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I disagree
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b/c it sucked as a laptop replacement when it comes to browsers, Office editing & creation, and simple file explorer/management.
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I totally agree with you. No Android tablet can be considered a viable laptop replacement.
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Current Android tabs are still not there if one is looking for more than just ''consuming.''
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I totally disagree with this. Here are the devices I use:
TVs with 32-50" displays
High-end home desktop with a 23" monitor
Work desktop with a 23" monitor
Work laptop with a 13" display
N10.1-14 with a 10.1" display
N3 with a 5.7" display
Galaxy Gear with a 1.63" display
Which device I'll use depends on access to it and what I'm doing. Consuming media at home the TVs win. Creating or editing large complex spreadsheets the desktops win. Consuming media while traveling the N10.1-14 wins. Sending and reviewing short e-mails and SMS the N3 wins. Looking at notifications as they come in the Galaxy Gear wins. None, at least to me, is a "slam dunk" replacement for another.
The N10.1-14 and Surface share a limitation - 10.1" and 10.6" displays aren't great for creating big complex documents (PPT, Word, Excel). Even at 13" I'd still consider my laptop limited and would prefer to use a large monitor on a desktop for any serious creation. Very few people I know (and me) consider the Surface (any form) a full-time laptop replacement. With that, it and N10.1-14 really serve double duty. Light editing and creation and consumption when away from better alternatives. I'd choose the N10.1-14 in that scenario because Surface sucks at consumption; both available sources (especially in Modern mode) and the battery life deficit when consuming compared to Android. The biggest advantage, at least to me, of the N10.1-14 as a laptop alternative when I'm traveling is its size and versatility. As a pure tablet (very light creation and consumption) it embarrasses the barge that is Surface and you can't argue with a 299 PPI display. With a BT keyboard, mouse, and Microsoft RDP I have access to full Office no differently than I would via a Surface. I have a 3G N10.1-14 so I'm always "on." Prior to the N10.1-14 I had two other Samsung 10" tablets including last year's Note 10.1 I'd rarely rely on either as a laptop alternative when traveling because faux-Office and peripheral support was such a kluge. Now I find myself relying solely on my N10.1-14 and leaving my laptop home more and more.
As for PDF editing and hand written note taking I'd still pick the N10.1-14 but agree that given a choice between S Note and OneNote I'd pick the latter; mostly because of the ability to share across a multiple OS environment. The N10.1-14 with its charger, mouse and BT keyboard takes up 1/2 the space needed for a Surface layout and about 1/3 of what my 13" laptop requires (EG: power bricks, accessories). And I double the battery life of my N10.1-14 with a 9,000mAh Samsung battery booster that's the size of a pack of cigarettes so I can get 14 hours of non-stop work/entertainment out of it which is longer than the longest plane flight.
So I'm glad your wife is finally happy. She picked a set of compromises (weight/bulk, duopolis environment (native Windows/Modern), average screen resolution, limited battery life) to get what she considers a better (but still compromised) productivity environment. She shouldn't be offended when others might disagree with her choice.

Is this tablet goof to take notes?

what do you think of this tablet to take notes at the university, read and edit pdf? There is also an "apple pen" for this huawei?I think that the screen is too small and maybe a 10'' would be better

A 10" inch tablet would be more amenable for note taking.
This tablet could work but it would be cramped. Reading would be fine.
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No. Overall this is one of the best tablets right now. I've been using it for 2 months now and I would buy it again instantly. But DO NOT buy it if you want to take notes. 10" tablets offer more space, especially if you also want to view and edit pdf files which don't scale easily. Most pdfs are hard to read on a <10" tablet. And one of the only weaknesses of the tablet is the accuracy and speed of the touchscreen. I've got a generic stylus for touch display that works mediocre on very good screens and definitely doesn't work good on the MediaPad.
Right now, if you want to take notes on a (pure) tablet, iPad Pro 9.7" in combination with the Apple Pen is the best solution. You can also get good accessories like keyboard covers that are not available in that quality for the MediaPad.
If you prefer Android or Windows, have a look at the Yoga Book. Good in certain areas, but it would be too special for me. I would prefer a real tablet and a real notebook instead of a combination of both. If you have the money, the only device that REALLY fulfils both needs is a Microsoft Surface Pro 4. Perhaps you can get a good price with a student discount.
(If you want an Android Tablet, you can also wait ~2 weeks, Samsung will announce the Tab S3 with native pen support.)

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A 10" inch tablet would be more amenable for note taking.
This tablet could work but it would be cramped. Reading would be fine.
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so which android tablet do you suggest to take notes which costs 300 euros more or less?
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No. Overall this is one of the best tablets right now. I've been using it for 2 months now and I would buy it again instantly. But DO NOT buy it if you want to take notes. 10" tablets offer more space, especially if you also want to view and edit pdf files which don't scale easily. Most pdfs are hard to read on a <10" tablet. And one of the only weaknesses of the tablet is the accuracy and speed of the touchscreen. I've got a generic stylus for touch display that works mediocre on very good screens and definitely doesn't work good on the MediaPad.
Right now, if you want to take notes on a (pure) tablet, iPad Pro 9.7" in combination with the Apple Pen is the best solution. You can also get good accessories like keyboard covers that are not available in that quality for the MediaPad.
If you prefer Android or Windows, have a look at the Yoga Book. Good in certain areas, but it would be too special for me. I would prefer a real tablet and a real notebook instead of a combination of both. If you have the money, the only device that REALLY fulfils both needs is a Microsoft Surface Pro 4. Perhaps you can get a good price with a student discount.
(If you want an Android Tablet, you can also wait ~2 weeks, Samsung will announce the Tab S3 with native pen support.)
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unfortunately I need a tablet now and I cannot wait anymore...
I'm searching for a good android tablet(not a 2 in 1 device) because iPad Pro and surface are too expensive for me... 300 euros more or less is a good price, so what do you suggest as a 9,7'' or 10'' android tablet?
I've also seen Asus zenpad 3s 10 but I don't like it so much the zen UI and I've seen that the gflops of its GPU is only 40 more or less while the One of the mediapad is 122 more or less, so I think that the Asus is not so powerful

I would say it would be fine for pen notes if it's in landscape mode, and portrait mode would work too depending on your handwriting.