Hi all,
I've a problem with my Nexus S GT-I9020A when booting up-it get stuck on the loading animation boot "Jenny Bean" so, I've reinstalled Gingerbread with ODIN V.1.82, and my phone don't light the Leds of lcd but I can view the icons of navigator, settings
and other icons , also the screen has rotated a 180º , I think that is for that I had reinstalled the firmware of 9023 "europe" in my cel 9020 "america" .
Is here link http://nexuss.pt.vu/
Also I've reinstalled Factory Images of JRO03E Android 4.1.1 Factory Image "sojua" for Nexus S (850MHz version, i9020a)
but I get that same result
1. Don't light the Leds of lcd
2. The screen has rotated a 180º
Is here link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1572307
But now with Jelly Beam :/
I can get into Download mode ( Volumen - and power)
I can get to fastboot ( Volumen + and power)
I don't know to doing, I need help
Thanks for any advice!
Nellrider said:
Hi all,
I've a problem with my Nexus S GT-I9020A when booting up-it get stuck on the loading animation boot "Jenny Bean" so, I've reinstalled Gingerbread with ODIN V.1.82, and my phone don't light the Leds of lcd but I can view the icons of navigator, settings
and other icons , also the screen has rotated a 180º , I think that is for that I had reinstalled the firmware of 9023 "europe" in my cel 9020 "america" .
Is here link http://nexuss.pt.vu/
Also I've reinstalled Factory Images of JRO03E Android 4.1.1 Factory Image "sojua" for Nexus S (850MHz version, i9020a)
but I get that same result
1. Don't light the Leds of lcd
2. The screen has rotated a 180º
Is here link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1572307
But now with Jelly Beam :/
I can get into Download mode ( Volumen - and power)
I can get to fastboot ( Volumen + and power)
I don't know to doing, I need help
Thanks for any advice!
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1572307
Get
JRO03E Android 4.1.1 Factory Image "sojua" for Nexus S (850MHz version, i9020a)
MD5 Checksum 39f0a4079f81882d354f228000ccf8f4
Follow the instructions
Also I lol'ed. Jenny Bean, Jelly Beam, what else?
polobunny said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1572307
Get
JRO03E Android 4.1.1 Factory Image "sojua" for Nexus S (850MHz version, i9020a)
MD5 Checksum 39f0a4079f81882d354f228000ccf8f4
Follow the instructions
Also I lol'ed. Jenny Bean, Jelly Beam, what else?
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2 weeks ago I had gingerbread and after Install of Factory Image "sojua" had Jelly Bean but my problem is the same:
1. Don't light the Leds of lcd
2. The screen has rotated a 180º
Try to clean install then flash stock as suggested above. Don't know if it makes a difference when flashing stock but it won't hurt trying.
1. wipe data/factory reset (this formats /data, /cache and .android_secure on sd)
2. format /system, /boot
Lol Jenny bean
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Nellrider said:
2 weeks ago I had gingerbread and after Install of Factory Image "sojua" had Jelly Bean but my problem is the same:
1. Don't light the Leds of lcd
2. The screen has rotated a 180º
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Make sure to wipe everything prior to flashing Jelly Bean.
Are you absolutely sure you have a i9020A and not a i9023 SLCD?
Jenny Bean, is not my lover
polobunny said:
Make sure to wipe everything prior to flashing Jelly Bean.
Are you absolutely sure you have a i9020A and not a i9023 SLCD?
Jenny Bean, is not my lover
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i'm sure that is 9020a, because beneath to battery It have model GT-I9020A, Can you give me the files as bootloader, radio? for will reinstall to my phone. Please
Try updating bootloader for jelly bean as you skip ics it might affect it.
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kwibis said:
Try updating bootloader for jelly bean as you skip ics it might affect it.
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how I can update the bootloader?, where I download the bootloader?
Related
I know, I know...a useless thread. But I can't control my excitement!
Updated my Nexus S i9023 to 4.0.4 OTA provided by Google.
My first impression: Noticeably faster!
Going to cover everything in points:
1. The time lag between clicking & opening menu items is now negligible, just like Gingerbread.
2. The camera from lockscreen loads up faster.
3. The rotation animation is faster.
4. Battery bug is fixed!
5. 3D apps load up faster...
6. Overall a faster & better update by Google.
7. I think Ice Cream Sandwich was not finished until December, but now it feels a finished/polished product.
Pros:
Animations faster
Whole UI is noticeably smoother
Cons:
Launcher still lags
Kernel is updated, but the version is still old.
Old GB sounds
Want to update?
1. Make sure you are on Stock 4.0.3 and you haven't changed anything in the system. If you have...don't worry...flash the 4.0.3 ROM again from here.
2. Download 4.0.4 IMM76D from here.
The OTA package is around 17MB.
3. Boot into CWM. Flash the 4.0.4, Reboot and you are good to go.
Update: The ROM is rootable, download this zip and flash in CWM to root.
You'll surely feel the difference.
Some snips coming soon.
Can i flash the full 4.0.3 on my i9023 running CWM?? Last time i did tjat i was hardbricked...
And if i can get over my trauma to do it again.. what do I wipe? Rubbing aokp b28
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They also fixed MMS on wind mobile if anyone cares
thegtfusion said:
Can i flash the full 4.0.3 on my i9023 running CWM?? Last time i did tjat i was hardbricked...
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u must flash this file...and then flash cwm.
HAKA said:
u must flash this file...and then flash cwm.
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Ok but i have some trauma.. i flash this file in what? Cwm?
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thegtfusion said:
Ok but i have some trauma.. i flash this file in what? Cwm?
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yes, flash it in cwm, reboot...flash recovery via fastboot method...reboot and flash 4.0.4
HAKA said:
yes, flash it in cwm, reboot...flash recovery via fastboot method...reboot and flash 4.0.4
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Ok its still downloading.. in the meantime ill pray that it does reboot when i press reboot system now
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Can someone on a T-Mobile Nexus S confirm whether this works or not please?
I get error 7 when i tried. Any idea how to get around it? I'm using a i9023 with stock 4.0.3.
Archon810 said:
Can someone on a T-Mobile Nexus S confirm whether this works or not please?
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I can confirm it does work on T-Mobile nexus s.
Interesting no announcement from Google about this? Are we sure this is official?
HAKA said:
yes, flash it in cwm, reboot...flash recovery via fastboot method...reboot and flash 4.0.4
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I have then to unlock the bootloader - again ??
Not just the stock browser got 10 times faster but chrome too i think it has to be related to some 3d driver magic. Nice job google
OK this is official.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/android-building/YoBlTfntDvo
Any benchmark test ?
4.0.3 vs 4.0.4
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Is there a way of getting this on the i9020a, specifically for Koodo (Telus)?
Since its an update to 4.0.3, would I have to flash that first and then flash this update?
I read in a different thread that I could flash 4.0.3 and then flash an i9020a radio to get the official ROM working.
cinek1987cinek said:
I have then to unlock the bootloader - again ??
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Yes
I did it too, have to backup everything on SDCard
rasengan82 said:
OK this is official.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/android-building/YoBlTfntDvo
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Does this also mean it will be available for the Galaxy Nexus?!
Yes for CDMA/LTE Galaxy Nexus
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omg google ****ed up again.
to move files to my nexus take hours the speed move is 100-800 Kb
So... after trying out 4.2, I've decided to go back to 4.1.2 until app dev adapt to this new structure from Google.
The major problem happens when quickboot isn't compatible with 4.2 and when you manually power down and then press power+volume up+down, it'd go to fastboot manual. But once you select recover mode, it just shows you a unlocked google screen, followed by android with exclaimation mark in his stock then boot to 4.2 again.
man, this is annoying.
nvm. just flash the nexus back to stock and re-update to 4.1.2
let this rant just be from the 4.2 early adopter.
NoirSnow said:
nvm. just flash the nexus back to stock and re-update to 4.1.2
let this rant just be from the 4.2 early adopter.
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erm, not to be a knob but can u explain how i could do this with a totally fresh untouched 4.2 ... i have no custom recovery or "anything" bought the tab updated now want 4.1 back for otg usb....any help plz?
chismay said:
erm, not to be a knob but can u explain how i could do this with a totally fresh untouched 4.2 ... i have no custom recovery or "anything" bought the tab updated now want 4.1 back for otg usb....any help plz?
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I use the Google Nexus 7 Toolkit which I find very helpful for most situations. I was impressed enough to donate (which gives a few extra functions). It solves most problems with multiple choice solutions to fit and is available on this site. There are 2 different programs available but if you follow my description you will get the one I use.
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Basically is this possible, to go from 4.2 to 4.1.2? Mine is fine but my friend's Nexus 7 keeps shutting down.
Will a factory reset restore 4.1.2? Is there another way? Been googling for an hour, & I'm thinking it mustn't be possible with unrooted devices.
Thanks for any help
Mrs Hedgehog
P.S Please don't yell.
Not that I am aware of--I think you'll need to unlock the boot loader to then push the 4.1.2 image to it, but don't worry, its pretty straightforward with a little reading. Check the stickies for guides.
did the move to 4.2 occur via ota update?
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kboya said:
Not that I am aware of--I think you'll need to unlock the boot loader to then push the 4.1.2 image to it, but don't worry, its pretty straightforward with a little reading. Check the stickies for guides.
did the move to 4.2 occur via ota update?
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Yes it was via OTA update. Bottom, she isn't going to want to unlock her device. Is there no way to put it back to how it was when she pulled it out of the box brand new? Even if she loses everything she would prefer that.
P.S Thanks for answering, appreciated.
Maybe she needs to think again. You can relock it as if nothing had happened!
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Ok would Google know if she did that. Would it be like it was when she first got it? Say if she had to send it back under the guarantee? I'm shocked actually. I thought a factory reset would take it back to basics. I don't think she'll agree somehow.
Nope, it is like nothing ever happened. No-one shall know (nor care,quite frankly).
Factory reset is more like delete data and settings (and also all your photos etc, if you choose SD card) and return to factory state (I.e. the base OS, which is now 4.2 after the update). It does not roll back to the original OS from the factory, which could be several iterations back.
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Wug's Nexus Root Toolkit is what you need.
Unlock, flash back to stock 4.1.2 and then re-lock.
Spannaa said:
Wug's Nexus Root Toolkit is what you need.
Unlock, flash back to stock 4.1.2 and then re-lock.
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Think I may just do this. But, will it keep trying to force the update on me?
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tu3218 said:
Think I may just do this. But, will it keep trying to force the update on me?
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It's Google that pushes the updates.
I've had no problems with 4.2 but if I do, I'll roll back to 4.1.2 and wait...
Spannaa said:
It's Google that pushes the updates.
I've had no problems with 4.2 but if I do, I'll roll back to 4.1.2 and wait...
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So I'd still get the notification to update to 4.2 if I reverted back.
But yeah, 4.2 isn't that bad. I do notice some unresponsiveness when clicking icons but other than that, pretty good.
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Install the FOTAKill app to stop OTA Notifications
tu3218 said:
Think I may just do this. But, will it keep trying to force the update on me?
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I had to roll back to 4.1.2 on my Nexus 7. The tablet would not charge (didn't recognize the high-current charger) under 4.2. To stop the update notifications I installed FOTAKill (tablet must be rooted). .doc file with FOTAKill installation instructions is attached.
Really wish that Google would have an option for "Never" when it asks for permission to install an update.
Spannaa said:
Wug's Nexus Root Toolkit is what you need.
Unlock, flash back to stock 4.1.2 and then re-lock.
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Hi, I have a question, If I flash back to stock with Wug's toolkit would I receive the 4.1.2 update OTA or would I have to flash it manually?
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Cee_Pee_Three said:
Hi, I have a question, If I flash back to stock with Wug's toolkit would I receive the 4.1.2 update OTA or would I have to flash it manually?
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If "stock" is before 4.1.2 then yes, you'd get the OTA update notification (which would unroot the tablet. You might as well manually flash 4.1.2.
My Nexus 7 "bricked" when I allowed the update from 4.1.2 to 4.2, requiring a complicated procedure to unbrick it. I suspect that the problem was caused by a "rootkeeper" app.
SMS888 said:
If "stock" is before 4.1.2 then yes, you'd get the OTA update notification (which would unroot the tablet. You might as well manually flash 4.1.2.
My Nexus 7 "bricked" when I allowed the update from 4.1.2 to 4.2, requiring a complicated procedure to unbrick it. I suspect that the problem was caused by a "rootkeeper" app.
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I wrote that wrong, I meant if I'm on 4.2 and flash back to the 4.1 original that first came with the device, would the 4.1.2 update come up OTA or would I have to flash 4.1.2 manually?
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I think you have to update manually. OTA will offer 4.2.
telexer said:
I think you have to update manually. OTA will offer 4.2.
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Correct. The FOTA update would offer only the latest version.
On my new Nexus two separate updates were sent in sequence. First an update to 4.1.2 then another update (declined) to 4.2 a few minutes later. It was not a single update from 4.1.1 to 4.2.
Thank u for sharing this info, this saves me the trouble from updating to 4.1.2 manually.
UPDATE: So I went back to the initial ROM the device came with (JB 4.1.1) and Google quickly prompted to update to 4.1.2 (which is what I wanted) and now it asks me to update to 4.2 but I ignore that
Long story short, my Nexus 7 is back up and working flawlessly again!!
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SMS888 said:
I had to roll back to 4.1.2 on my Nexus 7. The tablet would not charge (didn't recognize the high-current charger) under 4.2. To stop the update notifications I installed FOTAKill (tablet must be rooted). .doc file with FOTAKill installation instructions is attached.
Really wish that Google would have an option for "Never" when it asks for permission to install an update.
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What if I want to update my Nexus 7 later, how do I take off the fotakill.apk?
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4.2..> 4.1.2 Without rooting
Have Nexus 7, stock, has been upgraded OTA to 4.2.1. Have an $80 app (Anywhere Map) which company is working on a fix to operate with 4.2. I use Linux and it appears you can upgrade manually with 'adb reboot recovery' then Power & Vol to get recovery menu. Posts have said simply use 'adb sidload upgrade_img.zip' or 'adb install upgrade_img.zip'. Simple enough. I've only gotten to the menu from which I can choose 'apply update from adb', but have done nothing. Posts have said simply issue the command and select reboot from menu after it installs. This should install new os version without removing apps nor sdcard info. (I have backed up the whole sdcard with 'adb pull' to my computer.)
I have 4.1.2, 4.2, and 4.2.1 images. What I would like to do is put the 4.1.2 on to use until Anywhere Map gets their act together for 4.2. But 4.1.2 seems like a minor update to 4.1 and I can't find that image at Google nor anywhere else.
So the question is as to whether updating with the 4.1.2 image will work or not. I have the material to root the machine manually but would prefer not to do it. This all looks rather straightforward from the many posts I've read, except with my reservations on the 4.1.2 update. Thanks for any comments.
Hello! I have an unrooted N7 that is stuck with 4.1.1. I regularly get a notification advising me of an update & I run it through the process only to be discouraged to find I'm still stuck with 4.1.1.
Can anyone help? I don't want to root & do a bunch of crazy stuff to get the update. Is there a good fix without rooting?
FYI, I found a "fix" that required turning off WiFi, clearing the some of the systems cache, turning the WiFi back on & searching for an update. No dice...
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If you have nothing to lose your best and easiest fix would most likely be to perform a factory reset.
Cheers
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My N7 stuck at stock 4.1.2(JZo54K), I force clean Google Service Framework and checked update. N7 found 4.2 and downloaded 80.6mb file then restart and install. After install N7 still show 4.1.2. pleas help me.
clintjames77 said:
Hello! I have an unrooted N7 that is stuck with 4.1.1. I regularly get a notification advising me of an update & I run it through the process only to be discouraged to find I'm still stuck with 4.1.1.
Can anyone help? I don't want to root & do a bunch of crazy stuff to get the update. Is there a good fix without rooting?
FYI, I found a "fix" that required turning off WiFi, clearing the some of the systems cache, turning the WiFi back on & searching for an update. No dice...
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Try applying the update. When your tablet reboots and you see the Android on your screen, hold down the power button then, while holding it down, press volume up. That'll put the stock recovery in verbose mode. When it errors out, post what the text says here.
Similar thing here.
Brand new 32gb Nexus 7, finds the 4.2 update but half way through I get a Android with a red triangle/exclamation mark which then reboots back to 4.1.2
Be happy your stuck on jelly bean 4.1.x!
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SimonCraddock said:
Similar thing here.
Brand new 32gb Nexus 7, finds the 4.2 update but half way through I get a Android with a red triangle/exclamation mark which then reboots back to 4.1.2
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Tried half a dozen times then did a manual forced update using this guide, easy to follow and worked first time.
http://forums.androidcentral.com/ne...1477-guide-nexus-7-factory-image-restore.html
3dwarehouse said:
Be happy your stuck on jelly bean 4.1.x!
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Yes, I wanted to say this. stay on 4.1.1 or 4.1.2,.... 4.2.x is a piece of crap. Much slower, not the same device at all.
Thanks for advice, then I tried not to update to 4.2 and be happy at stucked 4.1.2
finger crossed and wait for next stable version instead.
dopodMyanmar said:
Thanks for advice, then I tried not to update to 4.2 and be happy at stucked 4.1.2
finger crossed and wait for next stable version instead.
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4.2.1 is pretty stable, stability is not the problem, but initially it broke a lot of apps compatibility (ok, this will be solved in time), but no matter what I do I have feeling it is slower, and it stutters. I never had this with 4.1.1 or 4.1.2. And I was so happy with my Nexus until 4.2 Anyways, I had 4.2 on my original Nexus, then it died and I sent for repairs, now I have new motherboard (so it counts as different device) and factory-installed 4.2 and it is the same. Even sometimes when playing a game it just stops for a split second... Trust me, new notifications and multi user (if you're not using it) is not worth the smoothness of 4.1.1
Cheers,
D.
dalanik said:
4.2.1 is pretty stable, stability is not the problem, but initially it broke a lot of apps compatibility (ok, this will be solved in time), but no matter what I do I have feeling it is slower, and it stutters. I never had this with 4.1.1 or 4.1.2. And I was so happy with my Nexus until 4.2 Anyways, I had 4.2 on my original Nexus, then it died and I sent for repairs, now I have new motherboard (so it counts as different device) and factory-installed 4.2 and it is the same. Even sometimes when playing a game it just stops for a split second... Trust me, new notifications and multi user (if you're not using it) is not worth the smoothness of 4.1.1
Cheers,
D.
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Thanks for reply, I'm curious to know as why my N7 stuck at 4.1.2, there may be reason as I tried several times update (reboot and installed, stuck at 4.1.2) no matter how I tried) but I'm peace in mind as 4.1.2 stability.
Just threw together a video showing how to manually update your Nexus 7 to 4.4 KitKat.
Hopefully this cuts down the questions. You must be on the 4.3 JSS15R build to update.
Video:
http://youtu.be/bgjH2E5oi0Y
qbking77 said:
Just threw together a video showing how to manually update your Nexus 7 to 4.4 KitKat.
Hopefully this cuts down the questions. You must be on the 4.3 JSS15R build to update.
Video:
http://youtu.be/bgjH2E5oi0Y
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Can you rename the ota.zip to just ota.zip?
godutch said:
Can you rename the ota.zip to just ota.zip?
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Yes.
sfhub said:
Yes.
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Thanks, easier than copying these filenames with hashes
Any specific reason that it only works with the 4.3 JSS15R build instead of the 4.3.1 JLS36I build? Is one just the WiFi version?
Craysh said:
Any specific reason that it only works with the 4.3 JSS15R build instead of the 4.3.1 JLS36I build? Is one just the WiFi version?
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Yes right now there is no update zip for the LTE N7. I will update my site once that zip comes available
I just upgraded. It seems that the ota package doesn't contain the new launcher that the Nexus 5 uses. There is no Google Now home screen as the far left screen and the app drawer still contains a tab for widgets. Is there a separate app to install now from the store?
codahq said:
I just upgraded. It seems that the ota package doesn't contain the new launcher that the Nexus 5 uses. There is no Google Now home screen as the far left screen and the app drawer still contains a tab for widgets. Is there a separate app to install now from the store?
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Those features are for the N5 only.
Craysh said:
Any specific reason that it only works with the 4.3 JSS15R build instead of the 4.3.1 JLS36I build? Is one just the WiFi version?
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Yeah it does a signature check of your system files and the ota file, if one does not check out the update won't apply
I get an error when it tries to install the update - something to do with the BasicDreams.apk not being valid (or something along those lines). It then aborts the installation. Not sure if anyone else is running into this problem, or if there's something I can do to fix it. I'm running stock, but rooted, and I've switched back to the standard recovery image from TWRP to try the install.
Thanks!
Thanks man, I've never used the stock recovery before, so had no clue how to get past the broken robot screen. Your video helped a lot!
Does anyone know the way to do this on a Mac?
Question?
Hello,
I can't get the side load to work because it no longer recognizes my nexus 7 when i enter recovery mode? is there a quick fix for this?
im rooted,using cuatom.kernel and recovery
if i flash the stock kernel and recovery and do what u did on the video,will i lose root or lose any data??
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Ignore plz
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Just as a note, adb sideload method works with twrp installed. Same steps as the guide but the sideload option is located under the advanced tab.
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konradsa said:
Watch the video, the answer is right there.
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Thanks!! :good:
Sorry goober, I answered to the wrong post by accident. I intended to answer to the guy asking about the recovery mode.
But I think the Mac procedure should be pretty similar, the archive download from Google contains the same tools for Mac. Just not sure how driver installer works on Mac.
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Still not having any luck. I can sideload the file onto the tablet fine, but when it gets to the "Verifying current system" stage I get an error saying:
"/system/app/BasicDreams.apk" has unexpected contents
E:Error in /tmp/update.zip
(Status 7)
Installation aborted
I've tried this several times and keep getting the same result. I'm rooted, but running the stock kernel and rom, and using the stock recovery. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.
Will this work on a stock rooted N7?