Hello
Can anyone point me to a guide or summary of alternative kernels please?
You can check our work on the nook color linux kernels in this thread here. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1370873&page=285
I also have a guide on using the Git and the Gerrit code review down in cyanogenMod central for the nook color linux tree at this thread link here. http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/50994-follow-along-with-me-trying-to-learn-how-to-code/
If you want to help and have experience on building linux kernels feel free to post a follow up in the first link I have posted. We are using the git and the github to commit code for our linux kernel tree. If you need help on getting up and going on using git, look through the second link I gave, I have all of the links on the github for our project and other helpful tips for you to get started. Right now the top developers are committing code to the jellybean branches. <fat tire> is our top developer and github maintainer for the nook color linux kernel tree, you can find him in the first link I provided and can help you also.
Thanks. I'm able to put a kernel together, but i haven't much experience in original development. I'll keep an eye on that thread though!
Right now we are looking for a few debuggers for the Jelly Bean Kernels. You know how to use debuggers? We need to check for kernel opps that are not being caught by the machines. Last year here there was a developer that rooted 2 kernel opps out and submitted them to Gerrit as a patch. Henk Poley , the developer for the Git extentions used his app and rooted out a few kernel opps on the cyanogenMod stable 7.1 at the time. Check out the my link on debuggers if you are not sure how. Not glamous work but it needs done, and I am getting up and ready to go back to school. Might do that if you want to help.
<Eyeballer> here is looking for someone to strip out all the unnecessary phone .apks for the nook color cyanogenMod builds, like the phone.apk and the telephony.apk along with the voicedialer.apk. I was going to get started on doing that but got sidetracked on getting a proper workflow going on the github. That second thread has links on how to submit work and patches down at cyanogenMod.
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If you are up to a more difficult challenge the wi-fi module needs more work on the Jelly bean builds, they are still getting wake lock problems with it. A few months ago the developers disassembled and reassembled the wi fi module and could not find any code conflicts within the driver or the module. They can fill you in on that up in IRC at #nook color if you want to follow up on that.
Wow. Uh, I don't actually use a debugger, I'm pretty new to building kernels. I used to program C++ in Visual Studio, but so far haven't investigated the debugging process. In my own kernels I use printk, and that's about as sophisticated as it gets.
I wish I could help, but I need the device to available at the moment for my young daughter. Good luck with JB. I'll consider helping if my situation changes.
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Hi guys,
First I want to thank Quarx for his outstanding work!
And secondly, i want to apologize for not posting this in the appropriate thread (thought about the CM10.2 thread in the developer section), which seems to be impossible since I just registered and lack the required 10 posts... I also want to apologize if some of my questions have been answered already, I employed the search function and wasn't able to find them.
I have to admit I'm a total newbie when it comes to building Android custom roms. However, I want cm10.2 on my defy+ and need PDroid-Support, so I'm currently trying to patch and build it myself.
What I've accomplished so far is fetching the 4.1.2 jellybean sources, applying the OpenPDroid patches, and compiling / building it. With the exception of the text-to-speech engine (I get the error message "google text to speech engine was terminated" on startup), which is actually not a big deal for me, everything (including PDroid) seems to work fine.
However, since my actual goal is to patch and build cm10.2, I have some questions:
1. How can I check out the correct source tree for cm10.2 using repo? I've tried "repo init -u git://github.com/Quarx2k/android.git -b cm-10.2", which doesn't seem to do the trick.
2. After checking out the source tree for cm10, I noticed that the file device/moto/jordan-common/apply_linaro.sh was missing. Does this actually mean that it's application is not neccessary (anymore) or do I have to obtain it from another (which?) source. Without really knowing what I was doing, I just tried the "apply_linaro.sh" I found via google on https://github.com/NiharG15/htc_pico_cm10...
Additional question: Reading the CM10.2 thread, I'm a little bit confused about the current state of Bluetooth / Bluetooth Audio. Does it work in some cases or doesn't it work at all? Which kernel should I use and how can I decide which kernel is used for the building proces?
Thank you in advance for your help!
syrran said:
1. How can I check out the correct source tree for cm10.2 using repo?
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Read http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=42584118&postcount=552 and change 'cm-10.1' to 'cm-10.2'
Again, thank you very much! So the information was there after all ...
Okay Guys,
I am working hard to bring up Cyanogenmod to our beloved moto g.
But i am a bit Noobish in this field.
I have been reading guides and following the process.
So far I have setup the build environment and synced the latest repo from CM sources.
Now, further most imp step is Vendor, Kernal and Device tree.
I have found this so far, by searching this forum only,
https://github.com/MotorolaMobilityLLC/kernel-msm/tree/kitkat-4.4.4-release-titan
Now, reading further some guides, they say kernel and device tree will require some modification to work with CM12, but i couldnt find about this modification.
so I request all developers to guide me on this.
We can surely do this together. :fingers-crossed:
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Okay Guys,
I am working hard to bring up Cyanogenmod to our beloved moto g.
But i am a bit Noobish in this field.
I have been reading guides and following the process.
So far I have setup the build environment and synced the latest repo from CM sources.
Now, further most imp step is Vendor, Kernal and Device tree.
I have found this so far, by searching this forum only,
https://github.com/MotorolaMobilityLLC/kernel-msm/tree/kitkat-4.4.4-release-titan
Now, reading further some guides, they say kernel and device tree will require some modification to work with CM12, but i couldnt find about this modification.
so I request all developers to guide me on this.
We can surely do this together. :fingers-crossed:
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I love your initiative! Unfortunately I'm not a developer...
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nice work mate.... developers are needed urgently....
Why do you think developers will find you and this thread? It works the other way. You need to find developers and ask for help. I suggest you start here and here
I keep my fingers crossed for the success of the project :highfive:
Yes, I am reading all possible guides given by the developers.
By that only i have reach this far.
But for device tree and kernel, device specific modifications are necessary, and I really need help of some one who has actually done this before.
If this is successful , we can have an alpha build of CM 12 , in 3-4 days.
@ N.K.V.
ok i will help you with this..
first we need to set up device tree and vendor trees....
there is 2 ways to do this
first:- get a official motorola stock lollipop update for your phone.
(unfortunately it not yet released for all variants)
examine the similar device trees like falcon or htc a5 (desire 816) of lg l90 or sony m2 or sony e3
compare the kernel sources of falcon and titan (these are kitkat sources so may be in future motorola will release updated lollipop kernel source)
there are various major differences.
set up a basic device tree from falcon with msm8226 common of cm repos.
take vendor blob list from falcon
adapt it for titan
extract vendor blob from phone.
compile the rom
second:- from existing 4.4.4 rom
repo sync kernel from github
make changes to falcon and msm8226 device tree to adapt titan
extract vendor blobs with falcon list
compile
problem with second approach is that you have to make many changes to kernel and other things
but if we get official moto update of lollipop with kernel source then it will be little easier...
still if you are going to compile and want to make a cm12 from 4.4.4 i am with you ...i will set up device trees and other trees to set up things in motion.....
and then we can change vendor blobs and kernel to lollipop when it get released...
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@ N.K.V.
ok i will help you with this..
first we need to set up device tree and vendor trees....
there is 2 ways to do this
first:- get a official motorola stock lollipop update for your phone.
(unfortunately it not yet released for all variants)
examine the similar device trees like falcon or htc a5 (desire 816) of lg l90 or sony m2 or sony e3
compare the kernel sources of falcon and titan (these are kitkat sources so may be in future motorola will release updated lollipop kernel source)
there are various major differences.
set up a basic device tree from falcon with msm8226 common of cm repos.
take vendor blob list from falcon
adapt it for titan
extract vendor blob from phone.
compile the rom
second:- from existing 4.4.4 rom
repo sync kernel from github
make changes to falcon and msm8226 device tree to adapt titan
extract vendor blobs with falcon list
compile
problem with second approach is that you have to make many changes to kernel and other things
but if we get official moto update of lollipop with kernel source then it will be little easier...
still if you are going to compile and want to make a cm12 from 4.4.4 i am with you ...i will set up device trees and other trees to set up things in motion.....
and then we can change vendor blobs and kernel to lollipop when it get released...
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This is great news. A team effort can do anything.:good:
Thanks to NKV and Kewl. Great initiative. God Bless You.
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okay guys,
let's keep this thread clean for developers.
you can always hit like to appreciate
UPDATE: @k2wl is working on kernel and device tree, it will take him some days.
@k2wl and N.K.V.
Thx for your time and work :good:
I wait for the right Software on xt1068!
I have a little bit of knowledge and i can learn really fast, if you guys need help, you can count on me
which model will this be for? (please say xt1064)
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which model will this be for? (please say xt1064)
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Doesn't matter. It will be for all variants!
absolutely brilliant, i wish i knew a lick of programming so that i could help get this done faster (i'm tired of seeing a SU update in play store and not being able to use it because it sends my G into a bootloop)
Thanks man, lollipop official update have a bug while playing music via bluetooth when screen is lock, can you fix it on this rom?
Ha ha...Let's make the ROM first..
Bug fixing in Second task.
Now that lollipop soak has started in India....i think Work should go fast. :beer:
Waiting for it. Please keep updated though!
I'm interested in helping with this.
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Hope to See this soon! Thanks guys!!
Nice intitiative...but i think making device tree and vendor for this device will not be tht easy....still hope for best
Hello!
I'm hoping to get custom kernel & rom development up and running quickly for the G5 community, and have created a git repository which provides a kernel source base to start with.
What I've done is taken the v10a release sources and modified them to work with build directories and multiple variants. (should they be unlocked or receive the CodeFire treatment at any time)
Here's where to start: https://github.com/jcadduono/nethunter_kernel_g5/tree/stock-6.0
If you'd like a somewhat updated kernel, the stock-6.0.y branch will be patched from Linux 3.18.y branch at kernel.org, see:
https://github.com/jcadduono/nethunter_kernel_g5/tree/stock-6.0.y
Different from the absolute stock defconfigs, I've made the following changes:
Module signature verification disabled
Unnecessary debugging flags separated into debug_defconfig (use EXTRA_DEFCONFIG=debug_defconfig to enable them)
Flags that were previous set to module (=m) have been set to =y (built-in) in case incompatibilities are unable to load stock modules
Each known variant & target is listed in build.sh comments. The default variant when building with ./build.sh is h850 with debugging disabled.
When using the Makefile, VARIANT_DEFCONFIG=variant_xxx_defconfig adds the additional settings per variant to the target defconfig. (by default stock_defconfig)
build.sh is set up to automatically build a dtb.img after creating the kernel Image.gz based on whichever variant you've built for.
You can use ./menuconfig.sh to modify the stock defconfig, or you can copy the stock_defconfig to another name such as my_defconfig and use TARGET=my ./menuconfig or TARGET=my ./build.sh
It's easier to just set the default target in build.sh/menuconfig.sh - each have their configuration options near the top of the files.
Be sure to edit the config variables in build.sh and menuconfig.sh before using. The VERSION file gets appended to the kernel version shown in `uname` when using build.sh.
The toolchain must be pointed to the correct location before it can build. Be sure to have libncurses5-dev and colordiff packages installed for menuconfig.sh.
For a toolchain, I recommend using the GCC Linaro aarch64 5.3 2016.02 release. You can use basically any aarch64 toolchain though.
Download here: https://releases.linaro.org/compone...o-5.3-2016.02-x86_64_aarch64-linux-gnu.tar.xz
You can start by forking my repository on GitHub and giving it your own name if you like. Extra interesting commits are available in the other branches that you should be able to cherry-pick without issues should you be interested in them.
Looking to test your kernel Image.gz + dtb.img?
Look no further than my LazyFlasher repository!
See here: https://github.com/jcadduono/lazyflasher/tree/kernel-flasher
Simply do:
Code:
git clone -b kernel-flasher https://github.com/jcadduono/lazyflasher.git kernel-flasher
cd kernel-flasher
cp /path/to/Image.gz /path/to/dtb.img ./
make
(simply place your kernel Image.gz (optional) and dtb.img (optional) in the root of the repository and type make!)
And you'll have your own dynamic kernel flashing zip for custom recoveries!
The kernel-flasher repository is capable of great things. You can create scripts in patch.d to do anything you like.
Add files to the ramdisk-patch folder and create a script that copies them into the $ramdisk folder and they will be rebuilt into the ramdisk!
By default, no-verity-opt-encrypt is there as an example.
Using setprop in patch.d scripts allows you to set props in default.prop with ease.
Add functions to patch.d-env to make them globally usable across patch.d scripts.
See other branches for more examples, like how to add f2fs lines to the fstab, or patch for system mode SuperSU.
LazyFlasher is the installer used in the Kali NetHunter project. You can also find more examples in the kali-nethunter GitHub!
Good luck, and happy kernel developing!
Thanks so much for posting this.
Code:
./obligatoryn00bstatement
Sorry for not being too knowledgeable here (yet?) and if this sort of comment doesn't belong.
I am a Computer Science major who really wants to learn some skills to hopefully give back to the community.
Is this an area that I could be of use or should I perhaps spend more time going through material on the XDA-U site?
toefurkey said:
Thanks so much for posting this.
Code:
./obligatoryn00bstatement
Sorry for not being too knowledgeable here (yet?) and if this sort of comment doesn't belong.
I am a Computer Science major who really wants to learn some skills to hopefully give back to the community.
Is this an area that I could be of use or should I perhaps spend more time going through material on the XDA-U site?
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I'm a little tired and somewhat intoxicated here at 3:45 AM so this is going to be a bit of rambling and so on...
While it's certainly a good idea to study up on what interests you before digging into it, sometimes it really can be easier just to dive in to your hobby.
I'm a high school drop out, never made it through college. Everything I've learned is by taking the great work done by the open source community and reading their code and applying it to other projects. That's the great thing about open source and nonrestrictive licenses. Everything is there for you to figure out, make changes, borrow code, run into problems, and the best part - search for solutions that others have already provided in their struggle to do exactly what you're doing.
Have an idea for a great feature? You can probably find it already implemented in another kernel somewhere.
Find the work someone else has done and modify it to fit your needs, but don't forget to give them credit for their work that you've used!
If you're going to start writing your own code, be certain to keep it tidy and variables/functions with meaningful names and comments so that not only others can understand and learn from it, but that you can return to the same code later on and understand it. Confusing code is how bugs tend to show up and become almost impossible to squash.
What I'm trying to get across here is don't be afraid to not be original. Don't be afraid to use others work to accomplish what you want, so long as they receive some attribution. The quickest way to learn how things work is by understanding what's already there and available to you.
You'll notice that there's projects all over XDA with special features ported from one device to another. Isn't it great having the all the best features people have added to other devices on one really nice device that you have?
PS I've never been on the XDA-U site before, so I can't give an opinion there.
I forgot what I was on about so I'll end this here lol.
?jcadduono you're on fire man thank you for everything you've been doing so far with such little resources.
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jcadduono, thanks for the info and wonderful words of wisdom!
I totally agree on what you're saying and my goal is to try diving into this as a hobby. The hardest part for me isn't so much the coding part, but just figuring out a starting point to get grounded and build upon and I feel like what you've provided here is perhaps the starting point I need. Now it's just up to me to push myself in my free time.
Hi, i am new to kernel developing, but i did some roms myself before, so no total linux noob.
I cloned your 6.0.y and want to start from there, but im a little bit lost. Do i need to follow the steps @ github, or is your branch kinda pre setup ?
Toolchain path is also set to the one you gave a link too.
Pinu'u said:
Hi, i am new to kernel developing, but i did some roms myself before, so no total linux noob.
I cloned your 6.0.y and want to start from there, but im a little bit lost. Do i need to follow the steps @ github, or is your branch kinda pre setup ?
Toolchain path is also set to the one you gave a link too.
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Hopefully once the toolchain path is set you should only need to run ./build.sh to actually build the kernel and dtb.
You may be missing some items for menuconfig.sh, which should just be solved by apt-get install colordiff libncurses5-dev
If building inside a ROM tree, it should be fairly simple for developers to adjust their ROM configs to add more to the kernel make command line, such as VARIANT_DEFCONFIG.
No matter what i do, kernel builds, but no dtb.img will be created. Any ideas where to look / what to test ?
I have stock-6.0.y, and did the h850 one.
Hi, is the stock-6.0.y branch removed?
I didnt find it. and need the right defconfig
greetz
mericon
Hi all,
I like to try tweaking and hacking my phone. I've tried some ROMs on my kugo for some time, but I figured I wanted to make my own personalized build. Right now, I'd like to use the 'Night Light' app from F-Droid, which requires KCAL support. In order to enable KCAL I'd need to edit the stock kernel (I know this can be done, it was the case for Genesis Kernel on Nougat).
Hence I'd want to learn to compile a kernel, but I can't get to the end of Sony's tutorial. I've downloaded the kernel source but I am totally lost with defconfig files. How should I configure the kernel ? There is no obvious choice for a defconfig, and I can't get past point #6 in the tutorial..
Given that I've just discovered kernel compilation today, would someone be kind and take some time to maybe point me to useful doc, give me a clue as to what my next step could be, or teach me how they compile kernels for their device ?
Many thanks for any help,
Cheers
TLDR. How to compile a kernel? I have Sony's source for kugo, but don't understand how to configure the kernel compilation.
Hello
For the past couple (weeks) I've been trying to compile Android 10 for tenderloin using the Android 9 sources but it's not going so well. First thing I ran into multiple sepolicy errors and I feel as if I fixed them in inappropriate ways but the errors went away. Other errors regarding camera and audio and such, that are regarding that tenderloin no longer uses the legacy audio format. Made me confused because I used the device sources form Evervolv and DIrty unicorns and if i'm correct they built it exactly the same way they uploaded it. After these errors were wrapped up, I got a error at zipping the rom that it could not zip due to failure of being able to read build.prop. This made me believe that the sources are not correctly formatted. If anyone can help me find a manifest, I can build for all you guys. Please keep tenderloin alive!
Now, I did something and I'm getting plenty of perl errors. Maybe I'm just very unlucky. I'm gonna attempt to reinstall on a fresh drive on my server.
If its anyone's concern, I was building lineage 17.1. I noticed for example, Lineage's "qcom-device" repo was shaped completely differently than Evervolvs qcom-device repo.
This led me to thought that Android 10 is going to be extremely difficult because of all the upstream dev changes that was pushed to Q. If any of you would like, I could probably push out March patches Pie rom because over there I'm mostly safe of complying with the source.
My manifest shape
DirtyUnicorn's device-tree
DirtyUnicorn's device-tree-common
DirtyUnicorn's htc-msm8960-kernel
Evervolv's vendor
And dirty unicorn's atheros wlan driver
I have been changing up the device tree so much, it almost looks ridiculous . From what I heard lots of properties on the device tree haven't been touched for years. Maybe tomorrow I can try Evervolv's Q rom. If you guys can help me build up my manifest, we can push out a fully working Q rom for tenderloin. And it would be just in time when Android 11 comes out. Thank you everyone!
I wish that I could offer any help, but I never tried to compile any Android ROM or for the HP_TP.
To my knowledge the only users that I know that could offer some insight on the process would be:
@flintman
@elginsk8r
Also the LuneOS project could offer some help:
https://pivotce.com/tag/luneos/
If Android Q(10) can not be ported to the HP_TP, then at least P(9) is a good ROM to keep updating that could provide many years of App support.
Theres no reason why exactly it cant,, because lots of roms I hear were built off the original TP sources (From 2011!). It was only around 2016 when guys around here had to change it up so much that they should've been so surprised that it worked. I can try and temporarily maintain P roms until the boys around here push out sources for Q!
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Theres no reason why exactly it cant,, because lots of roms I hear were built off the original TP sources (From 2011!). It was only around 2016 when guys around here had to change it up so much that they should've been so surprised that it worked. I can try and temporarily maintain P roms until the boys around here push out sources for Q!
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To my limited knowledge is all about Hardware -->> Drivers -->> ( Kernel ).
The reason that Bluetooth and camera does not work on newer Android version is due to the old (proprietary drivers) and the Kernel. That takes more dedication and work than the ROM. The same rules applies to the desktop, older processors does not support certain features and the Operating System will not run. It is possible to disable the features in the kernel so that it does not check the hardware and make it run, but it will be unstable.
Everything could be possible with plenty of time, knowledge and dedication.
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To my limited knowledge is all about Hardware -->> Drivers -->> ( Kernel ).
The reason that Bluetooth and camera does not work on newer Android version is due to the old (proprietary drivers) and the Kernel. That takes more dedication and work than the ROM. The same rules applies to the desktop, older processors does not support certain features and the Operating System will not run. It is possible to disable the features in the kernel so that it does not check the hardware and make it run, but it will be unstable.
Everything could be possible with plenty of time, knowledge and dedication.
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When I look at the tenderloin source, the script to gather the camera driver is disabled. Camera isnt a huge deal though because its only 1.3 MP. However we use the MSM 8960 kernel from HTC and that is the one m7,, but the one m7 is a SD 600 device so it loses sense. I was gonna get some help with one of my kernel developer buddies to dev a kernel for android 10 for tenderloin. If you see the one m7 has Lineage 17.1 available and even though it doesnt have same chipset, if im correct both chipsets went off of the same assembly line process. Lineage 17.1 for the one m7 also packages it as a "uimage" which is what we use. I believe this was only a very small select of devices. Yeah about that ive been getting so many complaints during build about "mkimage" which should've been a prebuilt tool in the lineage source. Don't know why they removed it, or if our developers added it in by their selves, etc. Anyways I fixed that error by just "allowing" mkimage in one of the permission files in my environment. But yeah i went as far as the build packaging the ROM and it complaining it cannot read build.prop. Note the build.props are generated by the environment , not the source (even though the device data is gathered by the source, its not what im talking about). I even go to the directory it was complaining about and it was all there. One of my friends suggested a permission error. I changed permissions to 777 (rw to all users) and it would still output that error. By that point I trashed my build meaning I may of done something wrong early on. I will let someone else continue building 10 but I will continue building 9 with latest patches.
It will be extremely impressive if any kernel developer will update the HP Touchpad Kernel or tweak it for future release, well everything will stop once Android becomes 64 only.
I am sure you are very well aware, but I will suggest using this built:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/hp-touchpad/development/rom-evervolv-hp-touchpad-t3923512
I was able to do the following playing around recompiling the Kernel. I recompile almost all the ROM and incorporated the same kernel changes.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/hp-touchpad/general/hp-touchpad-optimize-android-swap-t3901773
The Ramdisk is also very easy to unpack and repack:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/hp-touchpad/general/hp-touchpad-novacom-repair-android-t3960435
There is no need to get the original Camera or Bluetooth working, only sound and WiFi.
HP_TOUCHPAD said:
It will be extremely impressive if any kernel developer will update the HP Touchpad Kernel or tweak it for future release, well everything will stop once Android becomes 64 only.
I am sure you are very well aware, but I will suggest using this built:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/hp-touchpad/development/rom-evervolv-hp-touchpad-t3923512
I was able to do the following playing around recompiling the Kernel. I recompile almost all the ROM and incorporated the same kernel changes.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/hp-touchpad/general/hp-touchpad-optimize-android-swap-t3901773
The Ramdisk is also very easy to unpack and repack:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/hp-touchpad/general/hp-touchpad-novacom-repair-android-t3960435
There is no need to get the original Camera or Bluetooth working, only sound and WiFi.
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I think I probably stated somewhere, but Evervolvs "device" tree would just spit out hundreds of errors, and I fixed this by switching to Dirty Unicorns device tree. I also tried flintman's device tree and it didn't spit out many errors. Thanks for this though.
djared704 said:
I think I probably stated somewhere, but Evervolvs "device" tree would just spit out hundreds of errors, and I fixed this by switching to Dirty Unicorns device tree. I also tried flintman's device tree and it didn't spit out many errors. Thanks for this though.
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I have only recompile the Kernel and all of them work, but the correct branch must be use. I can not say about building a ROM, never done it.
But Evervovs Pie by elginsk8r works very well and stable as it uses the same kernel, but the framework is different. I guess elginsk8r will be the only that can guide you on the right direction or flintman.
Have fun learning, it takes a lot of TIME!