I want a better version of the Bravo - Bravo General

Hey guys I have been visiting this forum for a while. I bought my Bravo a little less than two years ago because it had good battery life, my priority for an android at 6 hours talk time and 384 hours standy. When I wasn't able to use GPS etc without lag, I finally put CM9 on it and it gave new life to my phone (although the battery life went down a little even after playing with governors and profiles etc).
The beauty of this phone has been the support for it. I mean if you ever screw it up you just download the sbf and rsd lite it. Superoneclick for root. Init2nddefty for booting. CWM support. CWM from marketplace (bandroidx). App unlocker on market place. I mean it is just so well supported and convenient for a phone that I bought $120 off contract.
The form factor and size of the Bravo are also really nice. Not too large, not too small, and coming from the blackberry bold before it (with a leather back), it just slips right into your pocet.
If I wanted to 'upgrade' my phone, preferably on att, but open to any carrier, what would you guys say is a good version of the android with battery life priortized and all the support and ease of the bravo, but better?
Any suggestions? I'm looking at the Razor Maxx, Droid X2, Galaxy S2 (Skyrocket, I heard was amazing), Bionic, ONe X,

Honestly at this point I would look at the skyrocket; you can do a lot with it in terms of customization, and it'll cost less than a current phone. Having said that, I would prefer an SGS3 on contract would be less expensive than a skyrocket unlocked.
For the moment I'm personally waiting for the One X+, but that hasn't even been officially announced.
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zetsui said:
Hey guys I have been visiting this forum for a while. I bought my Bravo a little less than two years ago because it had good battery life, my priority for an android at 6 hours talk time and 384 hours standy. When I wasn't able to use GPS etc without lag, I finally put CM9 on it and it gave new life to my phone (although the battery life went down a little even after playing with governors and profiles etc).
The beauty of this phone has been the support for it. I mean if you ever screw it up you just download the sbf and rsd lite it. Superoneclick for root. Init2nddefty for booting. CWM support. CWM from marketplace (bandroidx). App unlocker on market place. I mean it is just so well supported and convenient for a phone that I bought $120 off contract.
The form factor and size of the Bravo are also really nice. Not too large, not too small, and coming from the blackberry bold before it (with a leather back), it just slips right into your pocet.
If I wanted to 'upgrade' my phone, preferably on att, but open to any carrier, what would you guys say is a good version of the android with battery life priortized and all the support and ease of the bravo, but better?
Any suggestions? I'm looking at the Razor Maxx, Droid X2, Galaxy S2 (Skyrocket, I heard was amazing), Bionic, ONe X,
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As much as I hate saying it, I'd stay away from the Motorola phones. While the Razor and X2 may get kexec kernels, you're still on a locked bootloader which is what cripples all Moto phones. That, and a lot of Moto Phone devs pull from the Defy Team and backport from there (we have more up to date roms than the X2 for example).
It's either S2 or One X if it was my decision. That said, I'd like an Xperia Play. Its hard to beat the offspring of a PS controller that had sex with an Android.

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As much as I hate saying it, I'd stay away from the Motorola phones. While the Razor and X2 may get kexec kernels, you're still on a locked bootloader which is what cripples all Moto phones. That, and a lot of Moto Phone devs pull from the Defy Team and backport from there (we have more up to date roms than the X2 for example).
It's either S2 or One X if it was my decision. That said, I'd like an Xperia Play. Its hard to beat the offspring of a PS controller that had sex with an Android.
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incredible and the atrix too
i just wonder whether i should keep going with cheap used phones or get a nice samsung 2 rocket on contract for $50! 2 years
I'm not a developer and having the stock bootloader, with the default sbf, hasn't ever caused any problems for me. made things a little difficult, but there was a workaround at least with the bravo

I myself am going with the gsm Google nexus. Edit: went with the atrix hd...budget concerns.
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That One X looks pretty sexy.
Edit: boo! No removable battery or microsd! :thumbdown:

hmm with the above standards, priority on battery life (which the nexus has in lieu of a lesser camera). the only two concerns i have about the nexus
1. why do people say that nexus is better supported on xda than the galaxy s2? howso for just a basic user looking for easy rootability, good battery life and speed?
2. Any runners? Something seldom posted in video reviews is the physical factor of the phone. I feel like the galaxy s2 is too long and kind of clunky for a runner. Then again it is lighter
3. How proprietary are google's phones? Will I be forced to sync with google servers or can I still keep contacts hard copy on my phone for security purposes?
This is a hard choice
I'd also be interested in knowing how the brightness and picture quality and ease of snapping on-the-go photos in the city compares for of the 5mp (nexus) vs galaxy s2? Do they both offer picture stabilization? I would just be taking photos of intersting places in the city. I have an 10 mp kodak at home (nothing fancy) but the convenience of having a camera in my pocket is awesome
I also found the Galaxy Ace and Galaxy W but dont know how well supported this is
EDIT Between the Galaxy W and S2...ridiculous that Google Nexus doesn't have SDHC what were they thinking!?

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ridiculous that Google Nexus doesn't have SDHC what were they thinking!?
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Thats what most of us are thinking, why google nexus have no micro SD card support?. Its just that google wants android users to use their cloud services, simply as that.

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Thats what most of us are thinking, why google nexus have no micro SD card support?. Its just that google wants android users to use their cloud services, simply as that.
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The biggest problem with that is, especially for Americans under a contract, that with limited bandwidth you can easily exceed your bandwidth allotment and get occured charges. A good example, I can maybe watch an hour of online video a month with AT&T 3g before I get overage charges. I pay the $20 a month for unlimited data (provided I don't use more than 2 gigabytes, then $20 a gig after that) which isn't an unlimited plan, but its advertised as one.
The Motorola Photon Q looks pretty good. It'll be my next phone. Motorola - Unlocked Bootloader - Dual Core Processor @ 1.5ghz - 1 gig of ram - expandable microsd memory - 8 gigs of internal memory - 1080p rear camera - 720p front camera - slide out keyboard - runs ICS - affordably priced. Did I mention its a Motorola with an Unlocked Bootloader?
The only problems I can see with the Q are the fixed internal battery and 960x540 screen resolution. Although its not like you need a full hd resolution in a 4.3 inch screen.

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Buying a Nexus S or Atrix today, need advice

I am trying to decide between the Nexus S and Atrix. I change phones every six months, so longevitivty isn't a big issue for me. I like running the newest software, and love messing around with Roms, so that is a big reason I am considering the Nexus S. My big hang up is battery life. I use my phone a good bit for voice calls, and I don't like living'next to the charger. How is the battery life on the Nexus S? The Atrix has a 1950mah battery which is huge.
BTW, I'm a Xoom user and love it.
Any advice is appreciated.
Well, if you like the xoom, you will like the atrix. Yes, the atrix is a superior device in almost every aspect when it comes to hardware however, many reviews that put the atrix against the nexus s have the atrix as the loser. Bottom line is the atrix is not yet optimized for android 2.2. Maybe gingerbread but we wont know that until it's released for the atrix. Personally, I think the nexus s has a way better look to it but that's just me. The camera on the nexus s does a better job and I beleive it's now 720p. Stock android 2.3 vs motoblur and most people will take stock android any day over motoblur. Most menu's are faster on the nexus s and again, it's more optimized on android right now. Now, with the atrix, you will get the sweet tegra games which do look amazing. Then theirs super AMOLED vs the QHD rez. I would take the super AMOLED any day as most would. Then their is t-mobile vs at&t. Yes, you can now buy the nexus s with at&t 3g on-line (Nergi Electronics) Just rambeling but my 2 cents. Hope this helps.
Hey just wanted to give you a little info about the nexus s. flat out IM IN LOVE lol this phone is amazing can't cry about really anything. but on this phone its got no sdcard slot we do get 14gb lol its supposed to be 16gb but I got over it haha. The battery is really good I loved it for the first 4 days then I started flashing rom's and of course you'll have to figure out which kernel fits your needs. like if you want to have your phone overclocked so fast it fly's out of your hands lol and sacrifice battery then that's you or you could underclock just enough and still get a overall great speedy rom. But I do miss one thing when I left my HTC evo was the sense but soon hopefully some great development will port it soon but I would hands down go for the nexus s. I have a friend that is a manager at Radioshack and I played with the atrix and wasn't feeling Motorola products to much its always trouble getting the hooked up. But the computer dock crap is cool but that's even more money and that's what I would only get it for but good luck on your choice my friend test both out and read reviews before purchaseing them to get a better example huhmm? Lol
PS: sorry for the big text hahaha
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Like the other poster reminded me I can't stand moto blur (personal preference) lol but that I would also take plain Jane before that again and the phone is just sweet get it hahahaha ;-)
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The best advice I can give is to YouTube both devices and figure out which one fits your needs. I honestly never tried the Atrix so I can't compare the two.
Definitely the selling point of the NS is software and its screen (at least in my opinion).
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OuncE718 said:
The best advice I can give is to YouTube both devices and figure out which one fits your needs. I honestly never tried the Atrix so I can't compare the two.
Definitely the selling point of the NS is software and its screen (at least in my opinion).
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And ability to unlock bootloader very easily.
It's as simple as this:
if you want to mod your phone: Nexus S
dont want to mod: atrix [however you'll have to deal with motoblur... although gingerblur doesnt seem that awful... but the locked bootloaders is something you'll have to deal with / kernel / recovery / etc / list of problems go on and on]
just check their dev section: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=997
I talk on my nexus a lot... leave wifi on all day and gps too. Have 2 accounts syncing gmail and calendar. On top of all that I'm in an area where I constantly get weak signal and the battery life is pretty good.
Just the other day I did several phone calls, recorded two videos, uploaded them to YouTube then posted them to my fb page, used Maps, tons of txts, sent kik messages all day, use the internet all day. That was a 16hr 45min day on battery (and it wasn't dead when i threw it back on the charger.)
Hows that for good battery life
I know a few people who got Atrix's on launch day and they returned them within the first week. I bought the Nexus S for myself, my wife, and convinced my dad to get one as well. None of us have ever considered returning it.
Hands down the nexus s don't waste your time with that moto blurr bull****
the nexus s is faster looks better and will always get the first updates
I can tell you that atrix is a POS. I had it and it was just wonky feeling and slow as hell. I got the HTC Inspire the other day but just bought the Unlocked Nexus S that is now available for AT&T. Can't wait to use this puppy.
Holy ****. I am getting the nexus s than. Do you get this battery stock or with custom rom?
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Just the other day I did several phone calls, recorded two videos, uploaded them to YouTube then posted them to my fb page, used Maps, tons of txts, sent kik messages all day, use the internet all day. That was a 16hr 45min day on battery (and it wasn't dead when i threw it back on the charger.)
Hows that for good battery life
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I definitely agree with battery life. Nexus S has far superior battery life than any I've used. Personally I have not owned Atrix but I've played around with it at Best Buy so I can't speak its battery life but I can say that I found Atrix's UI to be quite sluggish. I can tell it's not optimized for Android. The Nexus S has very snappy UI, I can tell Google optimized this phone very well with the hardware. I do get 16+ hours with heavy internet and video usage and 20+ hours with normal daily usage. I'm very happy with this phone.
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I definitely agree with battery life. Nexus S has far superior battery life than any I've used. Personally I have not owned Atrix but I've played around with it at Best Buy so I can't speak its battery life but I can say that I found Atrix's UI to be quite sluggish. I can tell it's not optimized for Android. The Nexus S has very snappy UI, I can tell Google optimized this phone very well with the hardware. I do get 16+ hours with heavy internet and video usage and 20+ hours with normal daily usage. I'm very happy with this phone.
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It has nothing to do with optimization. It's just simply because its a "Pure Google" experience. No bloat by the carrier or manufacturer.
For Atrix.. it does, 2.2 is not built towards MultiCPUs, and it doesn't help it has MOTOBLUR on top of it slowing it down. Not to mention AT&T is crippling Atrix's HSUPA (Upload)
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It has nothing to do with optimization. It's just simply because its a "Pure Google" experience. No bloat by the carrier or manufacturer.
For Atrix.. it does, 2.2 is not built towards MultiCPUs, and it doesn't help it has MOTOBLUR on top of it slowing it down. Not to mention AT&T is crippling Atrix's HSUPA (Upload)
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I truly beleive that the atrix is not optimized. I think that when we see it optimized, we will see a really fast phone. We already know that tegra games run like butter on it and the tegra games are pretty intense. Overall, I think the nexus s has a WAY better design and is way sexier. Yes, the nexus s does pictures better than the atrix but then there is the no 720p thing on the NS which is a BIG bummer! Decisions decisions... Also, you can download an optimized version of Qik from the market that does video chat which is pretty nice as I use Qik with most of my friends. I know the t-mobile people can get the Qik with video off the market too. Not sure if this will work for at&t customers with the 850/1900 NS that was just released. Also, the atrix has pretty good battery life too. Especially after it's latest update.
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I truly beleive that the atrix is not optimized. I think that when we see it optimized, we will see a really fast phone. We already know that tegra games run like butter on it and the tegra games are pretty intense. Overall, I think the nexus s has a WAY better design and is way sexier. Yes, the nexus s does pictures better than the atrix but then there is the no 720p thing on the NS which is a BIG bummer! Decisions decisions... Also, you can download an optimized version of Qik from the market that does video chat which is pretty nice as I use Qik with most of my friends. I know the t-mobile people can get the Qik with video off the market too. Not sure if this will work for at&t customers with the 850/1900 NS that was just released. Also, the atrix has pretty good battery life too. Especially after it's latest update.
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I agreed with you that Atrix its not optimized. It's not optimized because, Motorola can't optimize MultiCPUs unless they build scratch code from AOSP. Only Google is capable of doing this.
The Nexus S also have good battery life as well. I mean, I don't think battery life is justifiable for performance.
In my opinion, I believe that the Nexus S is the winner out of this simply because the customer has more freedom on what they want to do with their device. Freedom in terms of Custom ROMs, Custom Kernel, Recovery, and more. And a better reliable network, T-Mobile (varies between location).
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I agreed with you that Atrix its not optimized. It's not optimized because, Motorola can't optimize MultiCPUs unless they build scratch code from AOSP. Only Google is capable of doing this.
The Nexus S also have good battery life as well. I mean, I don't think battery life is justifiable for performance.
In my opinion, I believe that the Nexus S is the winner out of this simply because the customer has more freedom on what they want to do with their device. Freedom in terms of Custom ROMs, Custom Kernel, Recovery, and more. And a better reliable network, T-Mobile (varies between location).
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Ohwell, there's always the Nexus 3! Which I'm sure Google will have multi-core's in it! I just ordered the Nexus S with the at&t 3G bands (locked into at&t) plus I get 30% off thru my job. I'll report back to you guys with my finding on the 850/1900 band NS which I'm sure I will be happy with.
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Ohwell, there's always the Nexus 3! Which I'm sure Google will have multi-core's in it! I just ordered the Nexus S with the at&t 3G bands (locked into at&t) plus I get 30% off thru my job. I'll report back to you guys with my finding on the 850/1900 band NS which I'm sure I will be happy with.
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What's the code you have through your job to get that discount
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What's the code you have through your job to get that discount
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Lmao. I wish he would give up the code.
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Posting such a thread in the Nexus S section, you're always going to get the Nexus S fanboys rubbishing the Atrix D). I personally have both phones, and I'm currently using my Moto Atrix.
Comments about Blur aside (yes its crap but!) you can replace the stock launcher with what ever you want (Its not valid reason not to buy the Atrix). Personally, I'm using the Gingerbread launcher made by Modaco and its bl00dy brilliant and certainly not sluggish.
The fact of the matter is if you're looking for a phone thats going to be current for the next 12 months, then get the Atrix. If you want a phone that has a vibrant screen and google updates (plus user unlockable bootloader to load ROMs every day and twice on Sundays) then get the Nexus S.
My sum up of positives and negatives of both phones are as follows:
Nexus S:
Positives -
(1) Nice screen (deep blacks and colour rich)
(2) Latest google Android OS releases (hardware permitting)
(3) Reasonable battery life (I generally get about 18 hrs of moderate use before a recharge)
(4) $599 price tag (outright)
(5) Unlimited ROM modding potential
Negatives -
(1) No gorilla glass (scratches easy and the oleophobic coating does wear off after a while - I have had 2 replacement phones because of this, and my 3rd has a screen protector on it which defeats the purpose)
(2) Back cover is glossy and scratches easy
(3) The camera displays a pinkish centre when taking photos of white sand, snow, anything with white backgrounds.
(4) 16Gb onboard and no expansion
(5) The body creeks - but its a Samsung
(6) Dropped calls after 5 minutes have been fixed in 2.3.3, but I still get the odd one dropping at the 5min mark
(7) Sometimes when typing in a phone number the press->response time/beep noise is delayed..
(8) I love Angry Birds, and there is lag in the game on certain levels..
(9) My Nexus One has more accessible RAM :-(
(10) Where's the accessories??????????? Not even a decent cradle!
(11) No HDMI out.
(12) Can't play AVI files straight out of the box - Need Rockplayer
(13) To replace the scratched battery cover, have to buy a min of 3 covers from some dodgy Chinese online outlet..
Motorola Atrix (I have the Bell Canada version)
Positives -
(1) 16Gb internal + 32Gb expansion
(2) Fast processor (and you feel it opening apps - theres literally no delays, especially the camera, browser, SMS and phone functions)
(3) No lag in games - especially Angry Birds (even AB Rio is silky smooth)
(4) Tegra II specially coded games
(5) Screen resolution is 960x540
(6) 1Gb Ram, of which you see around 515Mb on boot up
(7) Loads of accessories available now!
(8) HDMI out, and the cradle works sweeeeeet
(9) Plays AVI files out of the box using the standard video player
(10) Gorilla glass (YAY!)
(11) Rear cover doesn' scratch easily - and you can buy them in the shops
(12) Phone feels robust and solid - no body squeeks.
(13) 4G capable (AT&T version)
(14) Gingerbread is coming!
(15) I generally get 2 days out of a full charge with moderate use
(16) Is also $599 outright
Negatives -
(1) Locked bootloader (but you can still root and sideload stuff)
(2) Screen is not SAMOLED (typical SLCD)
(3) Not yet released in Australia
(4) Blur sucks (but can be replaced)
(5) Motorola isn't known for providing good support
(6) The odd wifi drop when coming out of sleep
These are my personal experiences. Others may vary.
For me, the ultimate phone would be in the form of the Atrix, but with a Nexus S user unlockable bootloader, SAMOLED 960x540 screen and Gingerbread. Really, thats all I would change.
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About to get an atrix, need advices

Well, i just broke my sgs for the third time , and im not fixing it anymore, in fact, just sold it as it is.
sgs2 is too expensive for me, and im thinking in something diferent too. So i must choose for atrix, or optimus 2x. my first choica fas the o2x, but on its forum, ppl said crap against this phone lol. so im here to ask, what do you think about atrix, does it worth?
thanks!
oh hell yes worth every cent !
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I like my atrix.
i like the size, the speed.
i like its accessories like the car dock and the lapdock.
and i love the fingerprint reader. love it.
it's a good phone. solid.
and i found out not evan a monkey can break it trying to root and unlock it aslong as it can read
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This is true, but we sadly do have a lacking development community to some extent. One reason why I'm considering leaving this phone. Although we do have ICS and MIUI on the way, probably in the next month or too. Ill stick around until I had my fun with those. But anyways its a solid phone with good specs that could really last you for a while.
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My gf has an Sgs2 and I have the Atrix. The SGS2 only has a better camera( which in my opinion is not a big deal as I love the 5 megapixel camera on the atrix. It satisfies ask my needs) and it also has a gorgeous screen, which again is not a big deal for me because my battery life is 24+ hours with brightness tuned to Max. I love the screen on the atrix although the one on SGS2 is better.
I think that the atrix is the most underrated phone ever. This thing can do more....a lot moee than what the SGS2 can do + it's got unique features like fingerprint scanner.
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you guys really made my mind. my choice is made, gonna buy an atrix tomorow. Thanks and welcome to me haha
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you guys really made my mind. my choice is made, gonna buy an atrix tomorow. Thanks and welcome to me haha
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I would go with the samsung galaxy s 2 for development. The phone is being supported by miui offically and you will get the lastest updates. If it costs to much for you .. you should probably save up.
just one last question: in latin america atrix dont have gingerbread yet. would be too hard to flash an international version? and 2.2 bootloader is locked, and 2.3 is open right? thanks! the version i would buy is atrix mb860
cannot (not yet at least) find out a phone which fits my needs as Atrix
I dont have an idea to make a PR or the comparisons between GS2, Op2X... or so on and the Atrix, but I would like to share my experiences as well as cons./pros of this phone so that you may have more exactly choice to pay money.
- Firstly, this is the best phone which has been offering me the highest quality of voice call, gsm, gps and wifi signals. Such the things satisfied me in the intensity and the stability of radio. I've been owned some other brands of smartphone before switched to the Atrix so that I can surely share this experience to anyone.
- The second pros is the huge battery that in fact impressed me more than the Moto's advertisements or disparagements somewhere out there. With the Atrix, the annoying issue of battery lifetime that I faced before is fully disappear .
- Atrix is so far so good in providing the strong secure ability under hardware level through the biometric sensor which is well known as Fingerprint scanner. Not only adding a mediocre feature of unlocking screen by fingerprint authorization, but it also added valued security options for protecting any sensitive things in my phone such as the business data, PIM data, apps, accounts... Such an ability performs security checks excellently while still keeping no change of speed for me in accessing the phone by myselft. Yeah, I mean that I dont need to enter the boring password or swipe the pattern to unlock the phone or launch an apps, etc...
In special addition, the fingerprint scanner on the Atrix also has the ability of operating as the track pad including the touch click like a mouse when you use the CM7-Fingerprint version at here
- The forth, Atrix offers valued entertainment features. I mean the lapdock and the webtop expansion. Though it wont works for replacing a laptop or your PC, but it offered me an excellent entertainment with a HD TV in games or Web surfing like a PC. Along with a wireless keyboard and wireless mouse, I even forgot I were playing on a phone! Becos it is really like a PC with a huge screen! If you cannot figured out this, just imagine that you are lying at now on the bed for relax with your TV before going into sleep, you always have a wireless keyboard and a mouse somewhere at the top of your bed, just take them and get started surfing the web, or maybe the facebook or anything else including games,... Well, you have the 3 in only 1 entertainment device, that are the TV, the PC and the smartphone. All of them are integrated into one big TV screen. And whats up when you feel now asleep? You give an eye to the docked phone (yes, its Atrix with the multimedia dock), seeing that is 11pm and the 60% battery in charging! Well, just leave it alone till next morning it will be ready at 100% charged for you for new working day. And for now, simply go to sleep!
Still not stopped at there, with a multimedia dock station you also are provided the great convenience in review or backup photos/videos/documents or anything else in the phone to your external storage such as an external drive, an USB drive or both..., just by plugging them through the USB ports on the dock station and using buil-in File Manager in webtop to browse data
Above are things that cannot be supported by another device till now, in my opinion
- For the biggest disadvantage of this phone, Atrix I mean, as my own view it is the Pentile screen. It is really not smoother and glitter than some others like GS2, Sensation, Galaxy Note...
Once you rooted & nlocked bootloader & tried the various Roms you find them to be a much of a muchness.
The stock rom is laggy, GB & froyo.
Rommed it's much better but nothing special.
Hardware it's prety cool, music played through power amp with flac is fantastic. Not much else is outstanding
If I knew then what I know now - I would avoid like the plague - Motorola Europe are pants.
Get a HTC or a Nexus, anthing but a Motofail - I'll never buy on again
Sorry it's bad news
well i came to a new problem now. the seller just offered me an milestone 3 (droid 3 xt860) . the price is not mutch higher. should i get it instead of atrix?
infestedd said:
well i came to a new problem now. the seller just offered me an milestone 3 (droid 3 xt860) . the price is not mutch higher. should i get it instead of atrix?
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With the MS3 you gain different advantages such as the physical keyboard, the 8MP camera... but at the same time you lost 512MB of RAM compared to the Atrix
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The Atrix is a very solid device and if you are looking to go the cheap route, it is definitely a strong option. Keep in mind however, that because of Moto's early bootloader debacle, the dev support for the phone isn't quite up to par with some of the higher profile phones like the SGS2. I would say that the two glaring drawbacks of the Atrix are the pentile screen and camera. When you pay close enough attention, you can tell that there are gaps between the colors, especially noticeable on the battery indicator. The camera on the Atrix is just sub-par. The colors seem too washed out and images aren't too sharp when compared with other phones out on the market. IMO, the quality of the recorded video seems better than the images, and it seems that something in the GB update made both just slightly better, but the camera is still on the bottom of my currently cycled phones.
That said, there still is legitimate development going on for the Atrix, and it is very likely going to get some form of ICS in the future (possibly not official from Motorola). The phone is coming up on a year old, but it's still one hell of a workhorse. My Galaxy Nexus is supposed to be coming in later today, but I can definitely still see myself using the Atrix from time to time. The build quality feels really solid.
The pentile display is actually not much of a problem for me. Anything is okay for me if it saves significant amount of battery life and moreover the display still is more than enough for me. Never like the oversaturated screen on my friend's captivate.
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Pentile matrix is really an advanced technology which gives a higher brightness, higher contrast and sharper screen. Hence it allows the manufacturer to decrease the intensity of the back-lit torch for saving power. But, as a cost, the "gaps" phenom is known as the characteristics of this technology. It can be corrected by increasing the pixels intensity of the screen, e.g. to HD resolution, so this technology is really a chance for the new handsets in the future. As for the Atrix, this is a loveable cost for major of people to gain the more attractive benefits that is the less consumption of battery power.
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Yes get it. ATRIX is on the list of supported phones for the gta 3 that's coming out soon. Check engadget.
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Worth buying now?

Hello everybody,
Im planning on purchasing the atrix only for the finger print security feature. Do you think its a good move. Im currently using samsung galaxy W.
Does it have a functional CM9 with camera and finger print scanner. Is it easy to use or just an over hyped feature?
Hows the battery life?
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Sensor is easy to use but you still have to press and then swipe. I am currently using it on CM7. I am not sure if it is working on CM9.
IMO, this phone isn't worth a penny now. You should look into a more recent phone that already has ics.
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IMO, this phone isn't worth a penny now. You should look into a more recent phone that already has ics.
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But isnt this the only phone with a finger print sensor? I love the galaxy nexus but the hardware on atrix seems good enough combined with this unique security feature.
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tanveer55 said:
But isnt this the only phone with a finger print sensor? I love the galaxy nexus but the hardware on atrix seems good enough combined with this unique security feature.
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If you are 100% sure that you want a phone with a finger print sensor then yes, the Atrix is the only one. I personally find the screen size of the Atrix which is 4 inches too small nowadays. The CPU quickly overheats even with browsing the internet or watching a video. Yes, the 1GB of ram and the dual core are nice but I would personally go with the galaxy nexus since you will be getting Android 4.1 (Jelly Bean) that Google just announced a few days ago.
She has been kicking butt.
I'm not sure why "Atrix_Owner" is being so negitive about the Atrix, unless there has been some trouble.
The specs on the phone are decent, and it has been very responsive. At the moment CM7 is still far more tested than 9, and If you want proper support for the array of docking accessories, I would suggest a blur rom (I have reverted to using NottachTrix).
I would say if it fits your budget and you are wanting a print scanner, it is well worth it. If nothing else, the battery life is pretty amazing once you are away from a stock rom. Just make sure to search the forums for instructions on battery calibration.
Atrix is a good buy considering price / performance ratio and its unique features.
This phone is really good, and there are many cm7 based roms with working fingerprint. If Motorola honours its commitment to give us ics, then we'll have really good cm9 roms as well. I do hope the ics drivers carry over to jelly bean as well, since I highly doubt Motorola will provide an update for that once its released.
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i have dual booted my atrix and it runs both the roms with zero lag !!
so hardware-wise you're not falling behind unless you want a quad core !
buying it now totally depends at the price you would be getting it !
also battery life and audio quality is excellent on this device !
still one of my favourite devices :good:
If you get the phone for less than $50, go for it. Otherwise...get a flagship phone.
I like the Atrix because of the scanner lock, I dont think it is a feature that most people use or need but for me it is a reason I am keeping my phone. If I want to surf the web or watch a movie I use my Xoom.
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Thanks alot guys for the help and your advises. Its always good to recieve feedback from actual users of the phone.
Brand new costs 400 usd but there is a guy selling a sealed brand new piece for 265. I guess id go for it.
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I have 2 atrixes. They are good phones for the price. I lucked out I think and got them both at 150 a piece used. Just found out my warranty is good on both still and sent one back to motor( there latest update messed it all up). If u want to spend more money you can get something better but in my opinion you get plenty bang for your buck
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If you are 100% sure that you want a phone with a finger print sensor then yes, the Atrix is the only one. I personally find the screen size of the Atrix which is 4 inches too small nowadays. The CPU quickly overheats even with browsing the internet or watching a video. Yes, the 1GB of ram and the dual core are nice but I would personally go with the galaxy nexus since you will be getting Android 4.1 (Jelly Bean) that Google just announced a few days ago.
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Might as well wait for the Note 2 if you are going to waste money on a GNX.
ICS is overrated anyway for all the hoopla it gets.
Basically like when people go so excited over GB. *yawn*
I have 1 week with a used atrix (preview owner of a xperia play) i was always a sony fan but seen the screen of the atrix i have never seen any xperia (even the new ones) with a screen so nice.
If you check specs on new phones this one is on the top. Maybe the battery is weak (if you use it for intense gaming) .
ICS? i liked it on tablet but not on my phone. I own a motorola xoom and it was a relif when ICS came because it was made for table but on phones it only adds few changes worth the upgrade. Motoblur got it right with gingerbread. ICS looks to black and bland :S
The phone is pretty good if you get it REALLY cheap.
It has some hardware features which I adore such as dedicated HDMI port, the fingerprint scanner and a pretty decent battery but the tegra 2 chipset is just weak, unless you're using CM7 you'll have animation lag and the developers community is rather dedicated but relatively tiny compared to the flagship devices from google, samsung and HTC.
If you're just looking for great performance, ROM stability and variety
get a nexus or S3, the smoothness and the ROM variety is remarkable.
I purchased my atrix for the webtop. I really hoped that it would be something I could take for some light web browsing and note taking and it was a horrible, laggy and broken experience.
Only now with a relatively stable CM7 the webtop experience is getting pretty good but instead of utilizing the full screen resolution, it simply mirrors the phone with a sub-par resolution.
Current CM9 roms can't record video, have a really unstable cam and often have graphic related issues which are not in any way a developer's fault since they have to manage without any moto libraries for the ICS.
Motorola promised ICS sometime in Q3, which means it wont be available until the last day of September and I'm being optimistic.
The device is not bad. I've seen so much worse, however it's not a middle range or a cheap device. It might be more than a year old but it's still a flagship.
I personally feel offended that my old Samsung captivate has a smooth, fast fully functional ICS that works heaps faster than my CM7 atrix.
I really hope that sometime later this year I'll take my words back, but so far I can't recommend the device as it is.
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If you get the phone for less than $50, go for it. Otherwise...get a flagship phone.
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Somebody could offer me $200 for my Atrix and I still wouldn't sell it. This may be the first smartphone that I may NEVER sell. (I've owned close to 20 of them too).
Currently I just got a SGSII, and I keep putting my SIM back in my Atrix since there's too many things that don't work properly on the SGSII. For example text to fit (reflow or double tap manually doesn't work on the default browser) is just one issue. There's others.
IDK I keep looking over @ my SGSII and wondering if I may just sell it off to my friend willing to buy it. If i keep it, it will probably be for a few months. Sad that my Atrix without ICS does more than my SGSII with ICS. Really the only thing that I like about the SGSII is the screen. Yeah it really is that good, but the flaws are kinda bringing it down.
@OP yeah get the Atrix, IMHO $300 or less (being dead serious about that price) is still worth it for this phone... (and yes battery life is amazing)
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Well..
Atrix 4G's fingerprint security feature is
very cool.
But There are only unoffical CM9 and it has lots of problem.
You should wait until 3Q for offical ICS.
(This is plan for U.S)
So, it is better to do not buy Atrix 4G for
ICS
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I have a contract coming to an end and started looking around for a new phone. Did some research on ICS and found networks can detect tethering on ICS but not on Gingerbread.
Looking at new phones, Sony have nothing of interest. Why buy a Nexus with only 16Gb of storage? Galaxy S3 is too big. I love HTC phones but all the new HTCs are rubbish (like the Nexus, never buy an android phone without an sd card slot!). And I don't do Apple, I'm no fruit muncher.
Then I came across the Atrix. Brand new, unused, in box, 150. Webtop, hdmi, dual core, bluetooth keyboard/mouse, docks with full size usb sockets, takes 64gb sd card, mugen battery. Great custom ROMs, webtops etc. Name one new phone that does all of that!!
OK, at the moment it is gingerbread only, but Motorola will release ICS for ATT version later this year and there will be some good custom ROMs after that.
I jumped at the chance to own this android icon.
At $150 or 150 €, the Atrix is still a very interesting buy...

[Q]Pros & Cons of M ? I wanna Buy !

guys,i just wanna buy this mobile ! as you guys are using this,i wanna ask you guys only(not any site's bull****s )..
plz help me out...what are the pros and cons of motorola droid razr m ?
Ive had mine for about 5 days so ill give you mine so far.
Pros:
1)One of the best if not the best form factor for a phone with this kind of screen.
2)Audio is excellent. If you play music with your phone, youll love it.
3)Quite a good looker.
4)Quite snappy.
Cons:
1)Camera is very average. Can be improved with settings but who wants to change those everytime for a simple picture.
2)Support is very bad atm. There are barely any roms for it and bootloader is still locked so any major support wont come for a while.
3)Its quite expensive for what its got.
4)Internal memory is low (8GB) and to make it worse, its troublesome to move big programs to the sd card since its not officially supported.
5) This is a big one, since Jelly Bean there is no USB Mass storage. I suggest you read on this is you need direct access to your memory cards.
Lasltly id say the screen is outdated BUT it makes up for it with its punchy contrast levels. Its also very readable in the sun so its so-so.
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Ive had mine for about 5 days so ill give you mine so far.
Pros:
1)One of the best if not the best form factor for a phone with this kind of screen.
2)Audio is excellent. If you play music with your phone, youll love it.
3)Quite a good looker.
4)Quite snappy.
Cons:
1)Camera is very average. Can be improved with settings but who wants to change those everytime for a simple picture.
2)Support is very bad atm. There are barely any roms for it and bootloader is still locked so any major support wont come for a while.
3)Its quite expensive for what its got.
4)Internal memory is low (8GB) and to make it worse, its troublesome to move big programs to the sd card since its not officially supported.
5) This is a big one, since Jelly Bean there is no USB Mass storage. I suggest you read on this is you need direct access to your memory cards.
Lasltly id say the screen is outdated BUT it makes up for it with its punchy contrast levels. Its also very readable in the sun so its so-so.
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a lot of this is going to depend on what device you are coming from.
but, i really enjoy this phone a lot. i believe that software is going to be the same as with any other device with JB on it, so that becomes a wash. the camera is actually quite nice when you set it to HDR, otherwise, below average at best. it's not too expensive, just $50 from VZW (or you can buy off-contract for about $250).
you can insert your own memory card - so that helps with storage issues; but the battery is not removable.
but I recommend it if you want a smaller device that fits easily in your pocket.
the best feature of all (in my opinion) is the battery life. most folks can get a least 24 hours in between charges.
So I've only had this device a few days, but so far I like it a lot.
I came from the DNA, which I only could take for about 2 weeks. It's just too damn big. I'm not a small guy, but a NBA player or someone with similarly large hands is what the DNA is made for.
Prior to the DNA I had the Incredible 4G. Very similar form factor and while it technically has a smaller screen, I would say the screen on the Inc4 is much better. But the Razr M seems to be just fine for me. I'm not glued to the screen watching movies.
The battery life so far seems better than the Inc4. I can't say for sure as I'm still trying to decide which ROM is going to be my daily driver (Currently on Eclipse with Apex and I'm really liking it.)
Razr M is Epic!
This phone does not get nearly enough credit!
I have had it for about 2 months now, and the battery life is great if you use it for just talk and text, I can get a full day of moderate browsing on and off of wifi (I am a student and a university). I get up at 8 and don't plug it in to 10pm, and it has about 35%. This is with the stock JB that comes with it. Despite the low resolution of the screen It looks just as crisp as my friends SG3. I will say that for what I use it for HD screens are pointless.
The phone fits perfect in my hand, and i would guess that my hands are a little smaller than average. Development is growing steadily for the phone, I have been running the Eclipse rom on it for a few weeks now Via safestrap, but I just installed it to the stock slot today, so there is potential for more.
I love the design of the phone as well, very small bezel on the side. The soft buttons on the screen, that change depending on usage are great. All in all the phone has a great form factor.
I agree this phone deserves more credit. It has just as much power under the hood as the sgs3 except for 1gb less ram. Draw back is as someone already stated is the internal memory is smaller but the battery life kicks the S3 s ass.
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Cons:
3)Its quite expensive for what its got.
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I'm not sure what you paid for your phone or where you got it, but this might be the last phone on earth I'd call "expensive". While I agree on some of your other assessments, the phone is awesome for it's price.
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Jersey846 said:
I'm not sure what you paid for your phone or where you got it, but this might be the last phone on earth I'd call "expensive". While I agree on some of your other assessments, the phone is awesome for it's price.
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Well i dont know where you got yours either but i can gurantee you for its price, its features are very sub-par. I paid $430 for mine on ebay (XT907) and that was cheap. Locally most telco's here have the XT905 close to $500 outright.
Compare the XT905/907 to the Xperia TX. The TX has a bigger and higher resolution screen, Better camera with the same dual core krait architecture. You can get it for $380. And to make it worse, the TX was released AFTER the Droid M/M.
For its feature set, this phone should be well below $350, i dont know how or why Motorola came up with such prices. Probably because of the form factor. Some people dont mind that, myself included but I KNOW alot of people put off by the pricing of this phone.
$99 (upgrade) w/2 year extension. It's "free" now on Verizon's site with a 2 year contract. I'm sure you have your reasons why you paid as much as you did, but I only upgrade when I have one available through Verizon. I'm cheap like that. At the time, a Razr Maxx was priced at $399 (w/contract). $99 as opposed to $399 is considerably less expensive. They aren't marketing this phone as if it's Motorola's flagship device. I knew the specs, and for what I need it has served me incredibly well.
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slogar25 said:
I agree this phone deserves more credit. It has just as much power under the hood as the sgs3 except for 1gb less ram. Draw back is as someone already stated is the internal memory is smaller but the battery life kicks the S3 s ass.
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Couldn't have said it better myself! I miss the resolution on the gs3 but that's about it. 32GB card in this phone makes the measly internal storage a non-issue.
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Phone comparison/alternatives to Ri

After spamming the 4.4 update thread with phone comparison things, I decided to open a new thread.
Here we can compare other devices with the RAZR I and debate about stuff like that.
Now I will start.
After getting more and more problems with my RAZR I I decided to buy a new phone. I was searching for several weeks and now I have a moto X.(in Germany, bought via eBay, using Verizon KK ROM with fully supported German language)
What I have noticed so far:
-the X perfectly fits in your hand with a acceptable weight
-the battery consumption is better than the Ri's ( I get easy 20h of (my) normal use; Ri got only ~17h)
-the screen have a much higher resolution
-the X have a better performance, up to now I doesn't had any lags.
-the voice from outgoing calls is very clear, a bit better than the Ri; the voice quality of incoming calls depends on the calling phone
-both cameras of the X are better than the Ri's, but it have also problems when the light is low
-active display and touchless control are pretty neat
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Do we think the RAZR I will get 4.4
I hope moto let us know soon.
All the best
Moley
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I can't accept no slot for microSD on moto g and x. Even new version of RAZR m, droid mini there is no slot
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I think it is not fair to compare the Razr i against the X. The Moto X is without question the better phone by far, but that comes along with the fact that the X is a fully fledged flagship model of an Android and the Razr is and was a budget phone with medium specs. So a comparison can only be fair, if you compare it to phones in the same league like the Moto G, HTC One Mini, Samsung 4 mini and so on..
I recently had a Moto G in my hands and I can say that this phone is really remarkable, nice specs, nice design and it works like a charm. The only things that I noticed that are not to my liking is the bad camera and it is a bit too big for its own good. For my personal taste 4.3 is a perfect form factor, 4.5 is 0.2 inches too much. Also it is a bit thicker than the Razr i, so with my tiny little hands the G felt a bit bigger in my hands. Im not sure, if I just have to get used to that, but I really like the slim look and feel of the Razr i in comparison.
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I think it is not fair to compare the Razr i against the X. The Moto X is without question the better phone by far, but that comes along with the fact that the X is a fully fledged flagship model of an Android and the Razr is and was a budget phone with medium specs. So a comparison can only be fair, if you compare it to phones in the same league like the Moto G, HTC One Mini, Samsung 4 mini and so on..
I recently had a Moto G in my hands and I can say that this phone is really remarkable, nice specs, nice design and it works like a charm. The only things that I noticed that are not to my liking is the bad camera and it is a bit too big for its own good. For my personal taste 4.3 is a perfect form factor, 4.5 is 0.2 inches too much. Also it is a bit thicker than the Razr i, so with my tiny little hands the G felt a bit bigger in my hands. Im not sure, if I just have to get used to that, but I really like the slim look and feel of the Razr i in comparison.
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Same here, I also think that Moto X is currently the best phone on the market but still little to big for me.
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bongofred said:
I think it is not fair to compare the Razr i against the X. The Moto X is without question the better phone by far, but that comes along with the fact that the X is a fully fledged flagship model of an Android and the Razr is and was a budget phone with medium specs. So a comparison can only be fair, if you compare it to phones in the same league like the Moto G, HTC One Mini, Samsung 4 mini and so on..
I recently had a Moto G in my hands and I can say that this phone is really remarkable, nice specs, nice design and it works like a charm. The only things that I noticed that are not to my liking is the bad camera and it is a bit too big for its own good. For my personal taste 4.3 is a perfect form factor, 4.5 is 0.2 inches too much. Also it is a bit thicker than the Razr i, so with my tiny little hands the G felt a bit bigger in my hands. Im not sure, if I just have to get used to that, but I really like the slim look and feel of the Razr i in comparison.
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I agree entirely.
I picked up a G over Christmas to cheer myself up a bit and to find out what all the fuss was about - is this phone really as good as they say for such a ridiculously low price? Well in my opinion yes, and more.
I'd had a number of frustrations with my XT890: random lagginess, certains apps not being compatible, battery life not being quite as good as I expected, amongst others. The one thing I absolutely love about the '90 though is the form factor and build quality, so IMO how does the G stack up against it? Well it's now very much my main phone.
Overall I find it's quicker and smoother with nowhere near as many lags, although whether this is down to JB 4.3, the chip, or a combination of both I have no idea, but for me it works better. The build quality is exemplary. It doesn't in any way look or feel like a plastic phone and is a rock solid build, which is a lesson Samsung should learn and I'm not talking about their budget end either. Battery life is better, beautiful screen, and couldn't be happier. True, the camera's c*** but I'm not going to use it anyway,so a big thumbs up!
Thank you for the voice quality comparison on the Moto X that is great info!!!! Can someone comment on the same thing regarding the G?
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Same here, I also think that Moto X is currently the best phone on the market but still little to big for me.
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But it's only the X's screen size which is bigger than moto G's. These phone have nearly the same shape.
And the moto x doesn't feel so big.
To the problem with no SD-card-slot:
Yes that was the one point annoying me, but to be serious, even the nexus phones haven't such a slot and Google presents how they think a android phone have to look like with this phones, so I think the sd-card-slot will die out slowly.
So I bought a developer edition with 32GB of storage. That is enough for me, I've used the RAZR I with the internal 8GB plus a 16GB SD card and even that was okay.
On the other hand we have to look at the battery consumption. A device which have to handle a internal and a external storage needs more energy. Also are SD cards mostly slower than the build in storage, which means that we lose performance.
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In my opinion the SD card slot is only needed, if the phone has insufficient internal memory. 16 GB is just not enough for today's needs. At least for me it is not. 32 and plus of storage is a must have. That's why I didn't get a new nexus device or will not get the Moto G.
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I agree on the storage issue. My iPhone 5s has 64GB and only has about 20 gigs left. It will probably be quite full in a year or two. Why phones aren't offered with 128 or heck even 512 gigs is beyond me. They are the main computers in many of our lives now. They can charge pretty much anything they want for it and a lot of us will pay.
the asus zenPhone 5'@720p, atom z2580, 8gb + sd card, android 4.3, update to 4.4, for only 150 U$S its really the moto g killer.
I found the LG Nexus 4 a great replacement for my old Motorola Razr i, and it's even cheaper here on my country...
Moto G
I'm thinking about to sell my Razr i for 200€ and buy the Moto G for 169€ or even the one for 199€. My Razr i looks like freshly taken from the box, not one scratch, nothing. And there is a 64GB memory card with it. If I install the stock ROM then there is only the warning about the unlocked bootloader that reminds you that it is a used device.
I bought the 64GB card to listen to music, back when I was going to school but now it's a different situation and I don't have the time to listen to music on my smartphone, especially since I have a car now. And even if I wanna listen to music on my phone I think 16GB or even 8GB would be enough.
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I'm thinking about to sell my Razr i for 200€ and buy the Moto G for 169€ or even the one for 199€. My Razr i looks like freshly taken from the box, not one scratch, nothing. And there is a 64GB memory card with it. If I install the stock ROM then there is only the warning about the unlocked bootloader that reminds you that it is a used device.
I bought the 64GB card to listen to music, back when I was going to school but now it's a different situation and I don't have the time to listen to music on my smartphone, especially since I have a car now. And even if I wanna listen to music on my phone I think 16GB or even 8GB would be enough.
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always aim for more, not less, better wait for the asus zen Phones
YaPeL said:
always aim for more, not less, better wait for the asus zen Phones
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Or wait what Motorola is going to present next week in the UK.
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I'm really not trying to troll here, just relaying my experience over the last two months:
I've been on Android for 3 years. Before, I was using WindowsMobile 6, and version 5 before that, until Microsoft stupidly killed that incredibly diverse ecosystem and made me and millions of others jump to Android. I had a clamshell Razr V3i before that that was an astonishingly good and beautifully hackable phone for the time - it was a great web browser with opera mini and I could email from it too, fantastic voice quality that could be tuned with a hex editor, and excellent radio/reception. It took a microSD so I used it as an MP3 player too. Moto typically has great build quality and radios though they definitely have released some total junk phones along the way too, I think I had a V551(??) that was dog poop, and several moto phones the camera broke on for no reason, usually a hardware failure like one of the internal lenses becoming dislodged, even if the phone was never dropped.
My *personal opinion* is that Android was most stable, useful and hackable at version 2.3 and has had been becoming progressively less stable and ever more locked down since. I have a Nexus 7 that I just leave stock and let it autoupdate whenever it feels like it to see what the latest edition of Android and latest versions of all my apps always look like; I've watched in horror as android and the Android app ecosystem has become a bug ridden laggy crashy malware adware spyware filled unholy mess over the last 12 months, as bad as Windows 98/XP ever was. Previously, as an android user I had always felt a little bit... i don't know... "more savvy" than iPhone users because Android was (supposedly) less expensive and I could make it do anything I wanted. But with the update to 4.1 on my RAZR i, I could no longer WIFI tether (it could tether with 4.0 but then Moto locked out tethering HARD and no one has figured a way around it) and that just made me really POed.
Then I also thought about it and realized I had EIGHT android devices and I was spending a ton of money always buying new android phones because that was usually the only way I could run the latest OS. I've for three years always been waiting/hoping that I'll get the next version of android when it is released, and usually all my hopes were dashed. Yes I did all the cyanagenmod/etc reflashing stuff for a while but that's always a little risky and after 10 or so flashes constantly trying out roll your own OS turns into a real time consumer, often gives me new bugs when I was trying eliminate other old bugs, and for some devices, namely the RAZRi, sometimes just not an option. My original Moto RAZR has a locked bootloader that was never really worked around. I was getting so sick of waiting around all of the time.
And I was noticing that there were people with iPhones many years old still using them, still happy with them. I played with a friends iPhone 3GS a year ago and was impressed with how smooth it was even then with supposedly far less hardware than my RAZR, and how happy she still was with it - and I noticed how aggravated I was with my RAZR.
So WTF, two months ago I bought a new iPhone 5s 64gb. It was Very
Expensive... but not really compared to the highest end Moto X, which was the other phone I was considering.
At first it was super annoying, not intuitive at all coming from android, lots of the design decisions seemed stupid. But I stuck with it, finally got used to everything about 3 weeks ago, and now two months after purchase I can say from my heart, and my head, it just blows Android out of the water right at this time. It is ROCK SOLID in hardware build and software stability, an order of magnitude above any android devices. I just can't stress enough how stable ios is compared to android. It took me many weeks to figure out all the workarounds I needed to do stuff like tethering, swype, etc, but now it does everything I can do on android.
I have two phones (work/personal), and this week I needed a second phone to replace my Razr i (which now has a new issue of blurry focus camera that I fix by banging it with my hand... i never dropped it... sigh), so I I just bought a used perfect condition 64gb Iphone 5 for $400. Goodbye Android for now.
There are hundreds of teensy little software and hardware design decisions in the iPhone that just make it so *pleasant* to use all the time. It makes all versions of android seem so rough and unpolished when I use my other android devices.
In the long run I think the iPhones will be either a wash cost wise, or maybe a little cheaper because now I can instead of buying a new Android phone every few months in hopes of finally having one that is solid and stable, I'll likely keep these iPhones for 2-3+ years and I'm guaranteed years of the most recent OS, available as soon as announced. But cost aside, ios is just a completely stress free experience that lets me get on with life.
Oh one last thing, the responsiveness of the iPhone is *phenomenal* I read a few months ago this is because the electronic hardware itself for the touchscreen has about 1/3rd the lag time between touching the screen, and the OS getting the signal. It makes the display feel really really good all the time. Now when I use any android touch screen it just feels so slow and annoying. Battery life is at least double the RAZR i in my experience so far, mostly because there is never any crap running in the background that I can't turn off, like is always happening in android as soon as I add more than three apps.
I'm not an apple aficionado at all; as soon as I find something better than iPhone I'll jump ship immediately, but as far as I can tell iPhone 5s is the best there is right now.
tl;dr: the iPhone 5 and 5s are mindblowingly good compared to the hell and heartbreak that android has turned onto. YMMV
Unfortunately, I must agree. Apple is doing so many things better with iOS than Google with Android. I always liked Android for openness, community, tweaking abilities ... currently I even write soft for Android at work ... but still, I'm always waiting for new version of Android that will fix problems from current version, I'm looking for custom ROMS that will eliminate constant lag and solve other problems.
I liked Google because it was the best software company in the world, company that ideology I liked, but now ... it's changing. They've still got good software but ads are getting more aggressive than ever, Android is getting more and more closed, and it will be fully closed in future, so maybe it's time to start searching for something new. But anyway I think that Android will be the most popular OS for very, very long time.
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Yeah, I have to say, that you have right with much things you've said, but you couldn't forget that iOS is build by apple, so they can perfectly fit the software to the hardware and vice versa. Android is open source and Google couldn't specify it for one device, it have to be as much stable as possible for a lot of devices, that is the problem. That's the same with every open source os.
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Well, I just made the switch from Razr I to the Moto G, just because I was offered a good price for my Razr (pristine condition) and couldn't resist.
Wasn't expecting much really, but it actually feels like a good upgrade. The screen is TONS better and with Kitkat the menu buttons now are completely hidden in most apps, making the screen really 4.5 inches. The overall feel is faster, especially with apps like Maps and Chrome. Games run faster as well, for example Asphalt 8 plays perfect on high settings, while on the Razr I will run only on low.
The downsides are plastic instead of the metal and kevlar on the Razr, the screen is not edge to edge and the camera is worse (also no 1080p video).
But for me the bigger and better display and the faster performance are worth it.
I currently think about getting a Sony Z1 Compact.

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