Hello, So I have been running Windows 8 Pro RTM for a couple days now with an official key from MS and life is good. That is after a few driver issues and a couple bugs but nyah thats to be expected. Anyway I thought i would try out the Media Center and it does look to work ok You get a key and an email etc. But then it crashed and when i tried to enter the key it said that the letter e is invalid and as you can see bellow thats in the key they gave me. This made me look a little closer at the email (screenshot bellow) and i noticed the following:-
The email is from ariatousa.com - they seem to be a distributer for MS but there is next to no info on them hmmm
The windows logo is still using the old style window
the prices do not work out the have a 6.99 subtotal then add 1:12 vat and total at 6.99 (£6.99 was advertised price)
half the links do not work and the others are generic
on there enter new product key here link it just takes you to the ms store with nowhere to enter a key
needless to say i have stopped that card and so far i cant see anything leaving my account but this leave me to wander how "untouched" these leaked rtms are! Anyways long story short it does not work and is most probably a scam.
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This is for the media center right?
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murray68w said:
This is for the media center right?
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that is correct. But it looks like its dodgy. You can get to it in the comand panel then add features.
once again, your messing about with something that isn't designed for end users, RTM, Release to manufactures,
Windows 8 is NOT ready for end users at the moment, by that I mean anything from user installs to drivers to supporting services
and im not convinced that the ISOs floating about are legit, or let me put it another way, un tampered with.
its not long folks, RP works well, lets just wait rather than jumping in with two feet in to things we don't fully understand or know are setup correctly.
RTM is exactly the version that Microsoft will sell themselves. It is exactly the version that will be used with Microsoft Signature. There is not some new, magic version that is going to appear by October.
Windows 8 has an insanely high amount of driver support, even supporting older hardware that Windows 7 did not. There was only one piece of hardware that was not installed correctly when I put RTM on a formatted drive and when using "update driver" it worked without rebooting.
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dragon_76 said:
RTM is exactly the version that Microsoft will sell themselves. It is exactly the version that will be used with Microsoft Signature. There is not some new, magic version that is going to appear by October.
Windows 8 has an insanely high amount of driver support, even supporting older hardware that Windows 7 did not. There was only one piece of hardware that was not installed correctly when I put RTM on a formatted drive and when using "update driver" it worked without rebooting.
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Windows 8 is more than just a bunch of binary on a disk or in an ISO
No one said anything about code changes or new versions an build numbers, but lets be clear about something, it doesn't mean it wont change.
Yes windows 8 does have a good level of driver support - but that also changes like the wind and doesn't mean what you get now will be what you get in October
and the thing you completely forget to mention is the supporting services of Windows 8, its more than just an OS, it has to make contact with countless different online systems and updating procedures all of which WILL change before the October release and all of which will make a difference to the end user
Getting all flared up now about an unreleased product which is exactly what it is, is just daft.
Have patience and wait for MS to get it all together including reliable ISOs
dazza9075 said:
once again, your messing about with something that isn't designed for end users, RTM, Release to manufactures,
Windows 8 is NOT ready for end users at the moment, by that I mean anything from user installs to drivers to supporting services
and im not convinced that the ISOs floating about are legit, or let me put it another way, un tampered with.
its not long folks, RP works well, lets just wait rather than jumping in with two feet in to things we don't fully understand or know are setup correctly.
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Im sorry I didnt realize that testing an RTM OS as if it was bought from the shop was a bad thing. After all this should be the same as the ISO MS will be giving me on the 15th. Should i just install it and do nothing then report back on how pretty it looks and how bright the ui is? I am using this and comenting on it as a finished product because thats what RTM is supposed to be. I understand some things need other services to be up and running hence why i tested this I then reported back so that others dont have to!
As for my other thread you would notice that i said most of the gripes are drivers and that can not be blamed on MS nore am i saying anything against them. I love MS i am in fact quite a bit of a fan from my Zune, XBox, Multiple Windows Phones, Office, Active Directory all these things on a daily bases make my life much better. All i am doing is testing a product that is fully activated and reporting on what i find. If you want me to right about all the great things i could write a book. Not that anyone would read it my english sucks and it would sound like a fanboi crazed on a new toy.
RTM is finished any updates will come down via windows updates and yes i expect there to be many. But unless a lot changes between now and the 15th then they have to expect this to be what we get and that is 6 days from now.
dazza9075 said:
Windows 8 is more than just a bunch of binary on a disk or in an ISO
No one said anything about code changes or new versions an build numbers, but lets be clear about something, it doesn't mean it wont change.
Yes windows 8 does have a good level of driver support - but that also changes like the wind and doesn't mean what you get now will be what you get in October
and the thing you completely forget to mention is the supporting services of Windows 8, its more than just an OS, it has to make contact with countless different online systems and updating procedures all of which WILL change before the October release and all of which will make a difference to the end user
Getting all flared up now about an unreleased product which is exactly what it is, is just daft.
Have patience and wait for MS to get it all together including reliable ISOs
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Actually RTM is the final version, by definition RTM is the version that is currently being mass produced. (RTM stands for Ready To Manufacture.....durr.)
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im sorry i wasnt aware that MS had released anything to the general public other than DP CP and RP for testing
using a leaked copy that may not be safe and may not even be legit or complete, trying to run up against services that may not be completed is simply daft
and yes RTM does mean released to manufactures, well done for pointing that out but that doesnt make it fit for public use just now, the OS is more than just an OS on a disk, it has many on line components that are not completed or finished.
what we end up with is a situation where someone tries to do something and it doesnt work as expected and because it is RTM its seen as a big deal which just adds more FUD to a FUD mountain thats been building up over the last 6 months or so.
let MS get it wrapped up, then we can judge it
dazza9075 said:
im sorry i wasnt aware that MS had released anything to the general public other than DP CP and RP for testing
using a leaked copy that may not be safe and may not even be legit or complete, trying to run up against services that may not be completed is simply daft
and yes RTM does mean released to manufactures, well done for pointing that out but that doesnt make it fit for public use just now, the OS is more than just an OS on a disk, it has many on line components that are not completed or finished.
what we end up with is a situation where someone tries to do something and it doesnt work as expected and because it is RTM its seen as a big deal which just adds more FUD to a FUD mountain thats been building up over the last 6 months or so.
let MS get it wrapped up, then we can judge it
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Im sorry when i started this i was not inteding it to be a slate on the OS at all, we all understand that the backgroud services need to come online. I did it as a test on an account that is not my main one as i thought the onformation would be usefull or at least interesting. I was hopeing it was up and i could be like hay guys it actually works but when it didnt i posted nothing till i noticed some odd points on the email. It was more a warning to say dont try it as being a leaked version it could be running a scam to steal card information.
I will also try again on wednesday when i do have the official iso from MS. And once again i will post the results as well as a load of other tests. If this makes the os look bad thats not the intention or am i trying to add FUD. Many things i will test will also not be down to the OS ie catalyst drivers speed checks etc.
Actually RTM stands for release to manufacturing. RTM versions are sent to distributors for digital and phyical distrobution.
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AndroHero said:
Actually RTM stands for release to manufacturing.
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yeah was gonna say the same thing
AndroHero said:
Actually RTM stands for release to manufacturing. RTM versions are sent to distributors for digital and phyical distrobution.
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yeah was gonna say the same thing
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Baa, play with words
Oh dear lord.
As other pointed out, RTM = Released to Manufacturing.
What this means is that the final build they created for RTM is what they made the ISO out of that the disc manufacturing plant(s) are going to use as the master to replicate the physical copies for retail shelves. This is also the same build they released to hardware manufactures and the like.
There will be NO CHANGES from this point on to the released bits.
Now, there have been a few minor updates and whatnot released, but all in all, been pretty stable. I run the Enterprise RTM at work and Pro RTM at home. These are no longer TEST builds, this is what is shipping on the 26th.
Sorry about mistaking rtm lol my bad I facepalmed when I saw my mistake.
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Ok, so all the win 8 services and features are 100% complete, there is nothing more to get, this wee waiting game where MS could be selling digital copies to jo public, is actually nothing more than thumb twiddling exercise to waste some cash. No, the ISO an disks are readyish, but there will be changes to services and updates and the ISO that was leaked can't be assumed perfect. Simply put, wait until it is released before palming down judgment on things that may not work right yet.
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ok I have just downloaded windows 8 pro from TechNet activated it and the media center option is not there making it even more sus that it was in the leaked build.
i hate to drag up an old thread but thought it was slightly related to my question...
can any one actually explain how we DO get MC?
I hear a lot of stuff about packs, addons, pay for, free, economic but I am buggered if I can actually find any means to order the bloody thing
MC is a primary function for me so I could really do with finding out what licence options are available, full / upgrade / download / physical, pro / pro pack etc etc
anyhow, anyone have any ideas...
note that im NOT talking about the RP MCE, im running that on this MC at the moment im talking fully legit MC for RTM
dazza9075 said:
i hate to drag up an old thread but thought it was slightly related to my question...
can any one actually explain how we DO get MC?
I hear a lot of stuff about packs, addons, pay for, free, economic but I am buggered if I can actually find any means to order the bloody thing
MC is a primary function for me so I could really do with finding out what licence options are available, full / upgrade / download / physical, pro / pro pack etc etc
anyhow, anyone have any ideas...
note that im NOT talking about the RP MCE, im running that on this MC at the moment im talking fully legit MC for RTM
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I think you might need the Pro Pack that retails for £49.99GBP for MC it also includes Bit Locker Drive Encryption and Business stuff like Domains, but it seems a tad expensive considering that the Pro upgrade retails for £49.99GBP so a total of £it 99.98GBP for the complete package if you want all around Launch day. I've Pre-Ordered the Pro Upgrade, might go for the Pro Pack at a later date but as I don't use most of the Pro Pack stuff that came free in Win 7 Ultimate it's not much of a rush to want it yet.
Roland
Rolandh said:
I think you might need the Pro Pack that retails for £49.99GBP for MC it also includes Bit Locker Drive Encryption and Business stuff like Domains, but it seems a tad expensive considering that the Pro upgrade retails for £49.99GBP so a total of £it 99.98GBP for the complete package if you want all around Launch day. I've Pre-Ordered the Pro Upgrade, might go for the Pro Pack at a later date but as I don't use most of the Pro Pack stuff that came free in Win 7 Ultimate it's not much of a rush to want it yet.
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Hmm, It does appear to be that way doesn't it.
damn, that doesn't make much sense tho, doesn't Pro come with bitlocker anyway? so you need to have win 8 pro to get the pro pack and in the sys requirments for pro pack it states
"Other System Requirements
Microsoft account required for some features. Watching DVDs requires separate playback software. Windows Media Center licence sold separately "
surely they don't mean you have to spend 49.99 to get WMC then a further fee to get DVD codec support
id happily spend 50 on my media centre for win 8 download, but a ton total? im not sure I can be bothered, a work station is one thing but oh dear, I fear MS and its Marketing dept have struck again.
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Its hardly official but this windows blog post suggests things will be very different
Here
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"Software giant Microsoft is apparently getting ready to drop its trousers and unveil its assets at the Mobile World Congress event at Barcelona next month. "
"Microsoft is also expected to unveil Windows Mobile 6.5 with the new UI at the Mobile World Congress. "
XPERIA will get the upgrade i am sure!
Hurrah - "new UI" hopefully more easy to use!
This post does not help anybody for some reasons:
1) You did not state the source of your informtion
2) Most people may already have known this
3) this is only speculation (anyway I am expecting the announcment soon too)
4) no one knows what to expect from WM6.5 except Skynet...
sorry, i hope to not offend you but thats what came up in my mind...
It will be interesting to see if Xperia actually gets the update to WM6.5, but I'm not so sure. One can only hope... In any case, surely the developers at XDA will cook something up
Here: http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=2485
Nothing has been said about a new XPERIA. SE haven't announced its new partner yet and previous reports state that the new XPERIA should be unveiled late 2009...
Comeradealexi - Thanks for letting us well me know as it means I've got something to google now on my lunch break.
here it is if you don't want to click
"Neowin, quoting unnamed sources close to Microsoft, is claiming Mobile World Congress (February 16-19th), will not only be bringing Windows Mobile 6.5, but also a slew of Microsoft services rumoured previously to the Windows Mobile platform.
“SkyBox” is a service for users to sync a phones information with the web. Microsoft will be offering automatic backup and restore services, access and management of phone data and provide easy communication and sharing with others. The service will also allow syncing of contacts, email/SMS, calendar items and pictures into the cloud. Neowin adds a new detail, not rumoured previously, that this service will be available not only on Windows Mobile, but also for other phone OS’s.
“SkyLine” will be aimed at small businesses. Offering similar functionality to SkyBox, businesses will be able to setup their phones with Microsoft’s Exchange hosting with their own domain names.
“SkyMarket” is Microsoft’s mobile marketplace, a competitor to Apple’s AppStore and RIM’s Blackberry application center.
Neowin also claims that their sources confirm the leaked screenshots from earlier this year are in fact real, despite being panned for having icons stolen from the Apple OSX desktop, and that they represent design concepts.
Looks like we do have quite a bit to look forward to in a months time after all."
so make of that what you will
could have sworn i posted this yesterday..
i think x1 will work slower after upgrade.
because it's windows : )
Ethermind said:
i think x1 will work slower after upgrade.
because it's windows : )
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After having played with Windows 7... i can say that Microsoft is finally taking things in the right direction. So i expect WinMo 6.5 to be way better.
msalmank said:
After having played with Windows 7... i can say that Microsoft is finally taking things in the right direction. So i expect WinMo 6.5 to be way better.
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I think you meant hope.. ;P
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I think you meant hope.. ;P
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LOL LOL
Ah... Microsucks...
well... let's better hope we get "some" update "some" day... as things are going till now... maybe this will be the first PDA without official rom updates... ¬¬
msalmank said:
After having played with Windows 7... i can say that Microsoft is finally taking things in the right direction. So i expect WinMo 6.5 to be way better.
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"The day Microsoft makes a product that doesn't suck is the day they start making vacuums." -Old forum posting
All joking aside, I am looking forward to any updates made to Windows Mobile Professional. Standard got a real nice interface boost with 6.1, and we didn't get squat in the "looks" department.
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I think you meant hope.. ;P
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Actually... i meant EXPECT!
NotATreoFan said:
"The day Microsoft makes a product that doesn't suck is the day they start making vacuums." -Old forum posting
All joking aside, I am looking forward to any updates made to Windows Mobile Professional. Standard got a real nice interface boost with 6.1, and we didn't get squat in the "looks" department.
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Just go and play with Windows 7 and you'll be sitting right here beside me saying that you EXPECT Windows Mobile to be taken in the right direction...
msalmank said:
Just go and play with Windows 7 and you'll be sitting right here beside me saying that you EXPECT Windows Mobile to be taken in the right direction...
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I've been running Windows 7 for about 2 weeks now, and I'm with you 100%. I'm not running it as my full time OS, but it is definitely running better than Vista did in beta/pre-SP1.
yeah - they've done it right with windows 7 - they'll have done it right with mobile 6.5/7
It seems somewhat likely that the X1 will get the update as we haven't heard a word from sony about any software updates whatsoever. What's the use of the software update utility if no updates are made? Maybe they haven't released anything because they have to wait until 6.5 is announced.
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(windows 7) is definitely running better than Vista did in beta/pre-SP1.
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Windows 7 beta 1 is better than Vista full stop
Cant wait for WM7... getting bored of the same old same old now.....................
n4v1n said:
It seems somewhat likely that the X1 will get the update as we haven't heard a word from sony about any software updates whatsoever. What's the use of the software update utility if no updates are made? Maybe they haven't released anything because they have to wait until 6.5 is announced.
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More likely, since they've parted ways with HTC, they've abandoned updating the Xperia X1, so not only will we not see Windows Mobile 6.5, we won't even get any firmware updates, like the retarded problem where turning off WIFI also turns of Bluetooth at the same time, or where Bluetooth keeps turning off by itself (workaround is Mortscript, but why do we need workarounds?!), etc. etc.
The HTC Touch HD has ALREADY had 2 or 3 updates, and it was released later than the Xperia X1. Where are the Xperia updates? NONE. NADA. ZIP.
I have an Xperia X1 but I'm starting to feel mighty bad here... I'm not feeling any love from HTC or SE and I doubt (and I hope I'm wrong) that we will see any updates, ever, for our machines.
http://wpcentral.com/windows-phone-nodo-update-coming-out-early-march-here-s-story
Great update ... they could probably make WP 8 by that time
I'll save you people alot of time.
wpcentral.com said:
The latest rumor suggests that the Windows Phone 'NoDo' update is coming in early March
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Just another rumor...
mickfarr said:
I'll save you people alot of time.
Just another rumor...
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And why would this save time, not sure, but March is written in the thread title is it not?
I should imagine you know more on these rumours, care to elaborate
Neowin.net have "received confirmation from multiple sources, that pins the first Windows Phone 7 update for March 8.
According to the sources - including someone well placed inside a European carrier - the update has been delayed due to last minute changes by Microsoft and/or OEMs. The update must then be tested by carriers for two-three weeks prior to launch."
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And why would this save time, not sure, but March is written in the thread title is it not?
I should imagine you know more on these rumours, care to elaborate
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It just a rumour as the report says, a bit like the last rumour. WP7 update could be released before March.
WP7 is DOA.
Microsoft phone OS is over!
I can't see a great future to WP7s this year.
Until March, the WP7s is not a real smartphone SO (no copy\past).
In March, WP7s Update comes with copy\past feature.....BUT 1 month later, android update to 2.4 gingerbread with nice Honeycomb stuff....even dont talking if comes early, a gingerbread Sense update to DHD\Z.
And a lot of people are colecting some money to XOOM, WebOS touchPaD, IPAD 2, Palm Pre 3, FacebookPhone, Dual-core devices, etc....
So the space in our pocket to buy a WP7sDevice, begins to be very little, eh?
Did MS just forgot to add copy paste option ... too bad they miss it ... and Bluetooth file sharing ... first i thought of HD7 now i am thinking of desire HD... android get updates very fast and better
In't it funny how all the Android fans are now bleating that WP7 is over, it's a no-brainer, MS missed a thing, they've left things out...
Funny how so many seem to troll about on the WP7 forums, shouldn't you be sticking to the Android forums???
Well, here's some news for you guys... WP7 isn't dead, just because a single update is put back, due to the OEM's, not MS...
WP7 is here to stay, I've used both Android and WP7 on my HD2 and I'm sorry but WP7 wipes the floor with Android on the HD2. WP7 is soo much slicker than Android is! Slicker and quicker... Yes there are a few teething problems, but I think that it can be said the same for ANY phone OS... Android had a fair few of them when it came out. Get a life guys, It seems to be that you Android boys are becomming just like the apple-bois. Everyone has their preferences, mine is WP7 at the moment and thanks to the HD2 I can run any of the OS's without a problem.
hammered09 said:
In't it funny how all the Android fans are now bleating that WP7 is over, it's a no-brainer, MS missed a thing, they've left things out...
Funny how so many seem to troll about on the WP7 forums, shouldn't you be sticking to the Android forums???
Well, here's some news for you guys... WP7 isn't dead, just because a single update is put back, due to the OEM's, not MS...
WP7 is here to stay, I've used both Android and WP7 on my HD2 and I'm sorry but WP7 wipes the floor with Android on the HD2. WP7 is soo much slicker than Android is! Slicker and quicker... Yes there are a few teething problems, but I think that it can be said the same for ANY phone OS... Android had a fair few of them when it came out. Get a life guys, It seems to be that you Android boys are becomming just like the apple-bois. Everyone has their preferences, mine is WP7 at the moment and thanks to the HD2 I can run any of the OS's without a problem.
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dude my first HD2 is run stock WM 6.5 (office phone)
2nd HD2 runing on WP7
i am still with windows .. every time .. this small missing stuffs makes me sad ... Bluetooth file sharing is ok but the copy paste , thats very rude ...
what do u think they missed it or they do know what they miss?
sathara said:
dude my first HD2 is run stock WM 6.5 (office phone)
2nd HD2 runing on WP7
i am still with windows .. every time .. this small missing stuffs makes me sad ... Bluetooth file sharing is ok but the copy paste , thats very rude ...
what do u think they missed it or they do know what they miss?
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+1
The issue is not for us, that have a device running with all features, (with w6.5 or Android).
The issue is for our poor friends from XDA, which spent $ 500 on a WP7s, and cant send a simple rose to their girlfriends ..... enough for that, if they have the copy \ past feature .. .. nothing more.
It is a shame!
WP7s owners can't attach this beautifull rose, like i did with my old HD2.
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hammered09 said:
In't it funny how all the Android fans are now bleating that WP7 is over, it's a no-brainer, MS missed a thing, they've left things out...
Funny how so many seem to troll about on the WP7 forums, shouldn't you be sticking to the Android forums???
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Well said why does everything have to turn into an OS bashing war
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Well said why does everything have to turn into an OS bashing war
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It's the same with fanboys of anything, xbox, PS3, Nintendo or football teams, Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool and even cars. Only the other day I had some one say that the Ferrari 360 is better than my Lamborghini Murcielago the cheeky bugger!! pfft he obivously knows nothing about cars.
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i read some where this
Windows for Men
Android for teenagers
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is that true
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Well said why does everything have to turn into an OS bashing war
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Can you coment this fresh new? "Microsoft to detail new Windows Phone 7 hardware requirements next week "
tries to make a comment, thinking you had just bought an HD7, and not only that a user who is using a port.
...maybe you start to understand, why we are so angry with MS$
If I had an HD7, would not think, no joke to this news
Microsoft to detail new Windows Phone 7 hardware requirements next week
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Steve Ballmer introduces Windows Phone 7
Microsoft is expected to detail new Windows Phone 7 hardware requirements according to reports.
Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer will keynote at the Mobile World Congress conference in Barcelona next week. Mobile Tech World reports that Microsoft may use the event to unveil new hardware requirements for Windows Phone 7. Microsoft first announced Windows Phone 7 at Mobile World Congress 2010 and supplied the original button specifications for hardware manufacturers.
WinRumors understands that the company is planning to unveil support for forward facing cameras as part of its updated hardware specifications. It’s unclear whether Microsoft will announce this support next week or just an overhaul of CPU/RAM requirements. The company has RTM’d its first “NoDo” Windows Phone 7 platform update and is planning to make it publicly available in early March. “NoDo” will introduce support for Qualcomm’s MSM7X30 System on a Chip architecture.
Microsoft’s mobile competition is increasingly more fierce. Android manufacturers and Apple are both likely to bump their specifications significantly in the coming months. Microsoft’s hardware requirements could also be linked to a rumored Nokia partnership. Nokia is rumored to be partnering with Microsoft to produce a Windows Phone 7 smartphone. Stephen Elop, ex-Microsoft employee and current Nokia CEO, will detail Nokia’s new company strategy on Friday February 11. Analysts and operators have called for Nokia to adopt Windows Phone 7 over Android to create better competition in the mobile market.
The software giant is also expected to detail further updates at MIX11 in April. Joe Belfiore, who oversees Windows Phone Program Management, and is responsible for the design and software product definition of forthcoming generations of Windows phones will keynote MIX11 this year. Belfiore is expected to layout a roadmap for the future of Windows Phone 7 and detail Microsoft’s big “Mango” Windows Phone 7 update. Microsoft is also working on a major overhaul of the Windows Phone 7 browser. In a job posting, listed in November, the software maker promises a “major overhaul of standard support and new approaches to make significant advances in performance, power consumption and bandwidth utilization.” Microsoft may be ready to detail its future Internet Explorer mobile plans at MIX in April too. Microsoft is believed to be planning Flash and HTML5 support for Windows Phone 7.
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hammered09 said:
In't it funny how all the Android fans are now bleating that WP7 is over, it's a no-brainer, MS missed a thing, they've left things out...
Funny how so many seem to troll about on the WP7 forums, shouldn't you be sticking to the Android forums???
Well, here's some news for you guys... WP7 isn't dead, just because a single update is put back, due to the OEM's, not MS...
WP7 is here to stay, I've used both Android and WP7 on my HD2 and I'm sorry but WP7 wipes the floor with Android on the HD2. WP7 is soo much slicker than Android is! Slicker and quicker... Yes there are a few teething problems, but I think that it can be said the same for ANY phone OS... Android had a fair few of them when it came out. Get a life guys, It seems to be that you Android boys are becomming just like the apple-bois. Everyone has their preferences, mine is WP7 at the moment and thanks to the HD2 I can run any of the OS's without a problem.
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I totally agree
pack21 said:
Can you coment this fresh new? "Microsoft to detail new Windows Phone 7 hardware requirements next week "
tries to make a comment, thinking you had just bought an HD7, and not only that a user who is using a port.
...maybe you start to understand, why we are so angry with MS$
If I had an HD7, would not think, no joke to this news
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hm... and where's the problem? on other platforms there once were devices with and without front camara too, and if you owned an xda neo for example, you would'nt been able too make a videocall at winmo; if ypou owned a diamond, you could - so what? would you run into suicide if you buy a brandnew car today with bi-xenon lights and 6 airbags and tomorrow comes along with the new model with triple xenon and 8 airbags? i don't think so...
If M$ windows thinks its ok to lock there Boot Loaders, I think we need to petition or start voicing our opinions now. . . regardless the fact is, once we buy any product we have our right too do whatever we want too do, root, modify, upgrade or downgrade, I think the problem with M$ is that they aren't embracing the Future, they are fighting it, an thats why they keep getting lapped by company's like apple an google. Believe me M$, still doesn't get the bigger picture, an i dont know if they ever will if we dont start speaking up now. They are basing there beliefs on an outdated O.S of business. . .
I Think they can learn a thing or two from company's like google and apple
Simply stated DONT BE EVIL . .
Tell me what you think, how u feel and what we should do as a community.
This is my response too reading this portal post article, Good info JERDOG
Microsoft Confirms Lockdown of ARM Devices Running Windows 8
JERDOG'S post http://goo.gl/rq4yw
Ah the bootloader, people have actually been talking about this for sometime. Although Microsoft are demanding ufei or what ever it is which will make it difficult for you to change operating systems, they have stated that it will not be used to force out other manufacturers. Im not sure I believe them in general, however as its a hardware related issue its actually in the hands of the hardware manufacturers. Microsoft don't make laptops/tablets. As far as I understand it although ufei will be required for windows 8 to run, a signed key is all that's required for other operating systems to run. Also its said that ufei contravenes EU law and so I would wait and see what happens.
The simple advice would be not to buy a device that is incapable of the functions you require. Dont buy a car to fly to the moon in. If you want to run Linux don't buy a laptop incapable of doing it.
I can understand peoples frustration with Microsoft but I fail to see when they became your *****. I thought Ipods were stupid at first as you couldn't play mp3's, so guess what, I didn't buy one.
You the consumer don't have to buy what they offer you. The other thing your forgetting is that the Hackers will sort it anyway, or have you never heared of "rooting" or mod chips etc. Any security where a key has to be passed from user to security centre can and will be hacked.
agreed, i can see people getting around this in the future, because when someone says NO there's always another one saying YES!, expect hackers to do their part.
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I Think they can learn a thing or two from company's like google and apple
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Last I checked the iPad is very locked down and everyone says they are new and hip. But if Microsoft locks a similar device down its looked at as an outdated business practice. I'd like stuff to be as open as possible, but Microsoft is essentially doing the same thing Apple has done with iOS devices since the beginning.
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Last I checked the iPad is very locked down and everyone says they are new and hip. But if Microsoft locks a similar device down its looked at as an outdated business practice. I'd like stuff to be as open as possible, but Microsoft is essentially doing the same thing Apple has done with iOS devices since the beginning.
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Just cause people say or think they are hip doesn't mean they are, last time I checked. . .
An Samsung mocked them best in there commercials ツ Just cause apple locks there ios means that they are right or m$ should fellow suit. . . And I believe modifiers will unlock, whatever google, m$ or apple, throws at them , an them trying too lock there O.S, makes modifiers want too do it more, don't forget apple now has to acknowledged unlocked pawned iPhones, Congress got involved an I think they should maybe do the same with m$, we live in times when we remix, an personalize everything just because we can. . . an just because they say we cant. . .
Here's my home screen from my Touchpad
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"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
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As it was said many years ago and still exists now stronger than ever
"If Man Made it, Man Can Unmake It"
It was only because of the mobile devices that Apple took market share, their desktops and laptops were good but just not up to par with what we were able to build with amd and intel chipsets for MS Windows operating systems. Now Apple has pulled a considerable amount of the computer market with mobile devices and stronger desktops and laptops.
Microsoft wants to gain the marketshare back with One O/S for all platforms. Hoping to up their mobile device marketshare to even it up with Apple. Its a far stretch but they want to keep themselves covered when it comes time that Apple tried to really put on over on them to keep the market.
ARM is proprietary now but will slowly become universal and open, just give it time and keep up the good fight!
hmmm.. well if ARM does stay locked down, do you think Intel's newer low-power x86 chips will be efficient enough to be comparable to ARM chips in tablets battery-life wise?
TeaMsTaZ said:
Just cause people say or think they are hip doesn't mean they are, last time I checked. . .
An Samsung mocked them best in there commercials ツ Just cause apple locks there ios means that they are right or m$ should fellow suit. . . And I believe modifiers will unlock, whatever google, m$ or apple, throws at them , an them trying too lock there O.S, makes modifiers want too do it more, don't forget apple now has to acknowledged unlocked pawned iPhones, Congress got involved an I think they should maybe do the same with m$, we live in times when we remix, an personalize everything just because we can. . . an just because they say we cant. . .
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I completely agree, just pointing out a double standard that seems to be out there. I wouldn't be surprised if Windows ARM gets hacked to allow dual booting to an ARM Linux distro (Android, Ubuntu, etc). On Windows Mobile there was the HaRET software hack, but it required booting into WM first.
On Windows 8 I wonder if something like Wubi could be compiled for ARM and then modified to get past secure boot. I wouldn't be surprised, its amazing what the community can do with open source stuff.
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I completely agree, just pointing out a double standard that seems to be out there. I wouldn't be surprised if Windows ARM gets hacked to allow dual booting to an ARM Linux distro (Android, Ubuntu, etc). On Windows Mobile there was the HaRET software hack, but it required booting into WM first.
On Windows 8 I wonder if something like Wubi could be compiled for ARM and then modified to get past secure boot. I wouldn't be surprised, its amazing what the community can do with open source stuff.
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Yeah there is double standard, my girl has an iPhone 4s, but lets keep that between us lol
But I really think its what you prefer, some like camaros some mustangs....
The developers on this site are great . . . Without them, I would be stuck using webos on my touchpad an windows 6.5 on my HD2 ( using SD American Android build )
You prolly right, tablets might come with win8. But maybe hackers can modify it so u can load android like a program hopefully. . .
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I'm on the fence with this one. I think their logic behind it has more to do with security than anything. Locking the bootloader doesn't stop device manufacturers from just making the same device that runs another operating system (Android) nor does having an unlocked phone that someone could put android on keep Microsoft from getting their license fee since the device ships with their OS.
Obviously it's not going to help make the jobs of everyone here easier, but it's not going to prevent them from getting other OSes on the device. What I could see happening in the modding community would be the opposite effect. Find an Android tablet that has an unlocked bootloader, and bring over the Rom from a Windows 8 tablet that has the same hardware.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1oEftG3LQU&feature=youtube_gdata_player
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKVchuk4-Ps&feature=youtube_gdata_player
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLSbcAN9wxw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
If the 500T (yes I see that's a 700T) works well enough, It may be goodbye Note 10.1. I just don't know if it has Wi - Fi Direct very useful feature.
Looks and does the same as the note except thats a pc
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Looks nice but i hate windows. Android and open source appeals more to me
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They're different animals. You can enjoy both.
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It may be goodbye Note 10.1.
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We've all heard the "good" from reviewers that have had little hands on time. You go first and tell us what the "bad" is. To me, there's no rush. There will be plenty of W8 tablets to go around and no harm in waiting for SP2 to address what the early adopters discover. V1 of anything, no matter how thorough the planning and design, is always Mr. Toad's wild ride.
This is from a pre-release review of the HP TouchPad. May it rest in peace.
Finally, webOS on the big screen -- or bigger anyway. The TouchPad is HP's first device running webOS 3.0, a more tablet-friendly version of the little mobile operating system that we've come to love over the years. If you're familiar with earlier versions on perhaps a Pre or a Veer you'll be quite comfortable here because, on the outset, not a lot has changed, particularly when it comes to our favorite part of the OS: multitasking.
Either tap the physical Home button or just swipe up from the bottom of the screen and you'll get into the patented webOS card view, which has been often imitated but never quite duplicated. Each app gets its own card and, should that program spawn a new window (a new browser instance, say, or a new email) that additional card joins a stack. You can then shuffle through the cards in any given pile, drag them around, or just flick them off the top of the screen to send them to the big garbage collector in the sky.
As ever, navigating apps like this is genuinely fun; there's something very satisfying about literally throwing away a window that you no longer want cluttering up your screen or your RAM. And it's all helped by everything in the OS being generally snappy and responsive -- even if the applications themselves are occasionally rather less so. Cycling through running programs and swiping around is quick, but the experience is less gesture-heavy than previous phone versions.
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They're different animals. You can enjoy both.
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I was thinking keeping the Note 10.1 for school/fun, and the ATIV for Work / presenting. (man is it hard to write a slash) but will feel silly having both(Ipad currently"bathroom" material)
Other dilema is getting the N2 when I have the OG Note. First world problems.
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I was thinking keeping the Note 10.1 for school/fun, and the ATIV for Work / presenting. (man is it hard to write a slash) but will feel silly having both(Ipad currently"bathroom" material)
Other dilema is getting the N2 when I have the OG Note. First world problems.
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Have to admit that's a quality problem.
Same functionality as GN 10.1 but double the cost, higher energy usage and heat output, more bloat and questionable stability.
I don't miss turning on my Windows desktop and laptop.
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Same functionality as GN 10.1 but double the cost, higher energy usage and heat output, more bloat and questionable stability.
I don't miss turning on my Windows desktop and laptop.
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I go out of my way not to use either of them.
I think Microsoft's new products and os RT and 8 on the surface will step change the market like the original net books did in their time and the original iPad too, I love my note 10.1 and have hardly put it down since I got it, but I am hitting the limitations of android more and more as I use it for productivity, instance photo gallery apps can't display nested folders, they can't display a folders worth of pictures on a map, no native word or excel products.....it's still a remarkably good attempt to be an all round tool rather than just a consumption device.
I also think Apple will be forced to introduce proper stylus support as Samsung have,and soon Windows 8 and RT will show consumers do want to use a stylus in conjunction with a multi touch screen despite what Steve jobs decreed......the upcoming iPod mini is testament to Apple having to catch up on the market rather than lead it, I'll not want an Apple tablet for the moment due to its straight jacket os & eco system but I'll certainly consider a Windows 8/ RT for my next one
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ok all the W8 tabs released are RT version which means none of the native apps will work on them, Every software needs time to get stable and since this is the first version expect lots of issues. Yes the built quality of tabs are impressive but thats not what matters in a gadget we are not in a beauty contest its the usability the biggest dis advantge W8 will have is apps as they will take time. Then we do not know the future roadmap windows never upgrades for free and has a very long update cycle and we already know none of the W7 devices can be upgraded to W8 and that could be the case in future to.
Again its a close enviourment and hence you will have very future options a perfect case example is I have an 2x and we all know LG is still to update it to 4 but because there are so many developers out there we have un official roms which will do it that will also be the case with Samsung note but wont with windows 8
To be frank if I have to look at anything other then Android then why not go in for IPad why would i gamble of W8 when know none of the windows versions have been perfect
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We've all heard the "good" from reviewers that have had little hands on time. You go first and tell us what the "bad" is. To me, there's no rush. There will be plenty of W8 tablets to go around an
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d no harm in waiting for SP2 to address what the early adopters discover. V1 of anything, no matter how thorough the planning and design, is always Mr. Toad's wild ride.
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Seconded!!!
We need James Franco in these videos; they look too corporate :laugh:
The promo videos always look nice; I'm anxiously waiting to get some hands-on time with the Series 5 slate before passing any judgement. As mentioned, no rush at this point.
PS: I liked the part where he was projecting a power point presentation without any wires. I don't think I've seen that "feature" mentioned anywhere
Reviewers can be paid to give a good review wait from reviews from actual users who will give an un biased review
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ok all the W8 tabs released are RT version. I DONT THINK THIS IS CORRECT. (Proversion is everywhere. And plenty of review vids of pro in action.) ,
Every software needs time to get stable. TRUE .
Yes the built quality of tabs are impressive but thats not what matters in a gadget we are not in a beauty contest its the usability the biggest dis advantge W8 will have is apps as they will take time TRUE AGAIN.
Then we do not know the future roadmap windows never upgrades for free and has a very long update cycle BUT STILL SUPPORTS SYSTEMS10 YEARs OLD
CANT SAY THAT FOR APPLE 1. W HICH IS ONLY 2 YEARS OLD
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To be clear just making some observations and don't want my caps to be taken wrong as i wasnt sure if my text would get lost in your quote.
I who use my tab.s. for work 80 percent of each day will take the chance on a win 8 as I believe they will not let this fail without a good fight.
I have not Put my note down since getting it and will never get another tab without a dig Pen. That said I will probably get the ativ to try it out.but still keep my note :silly:
Ok Please check this link
http://www.gizmag.com/windows-8-tablet-showdow/24440/
It clearly says none of the tablet are release till day the first one will be released is Surface and the version to be released is RT and pro version will only release next year
Please read this about windows RT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_RT
also if you see the pricing of the tabs except for surface they are almost double compared to any other tab even the pro version of surface tab is supposed to cost around a 1000$ but that is speculation as no pricing is out.
I would not say that windows 7 will support a system 10 years old that is not factually and technicall correct 10 years back the standard ram and pc configuration available would not be able to run windows 7 and that is more so case with windows 8 and even the drivers for earlier version will not work with windows 8 as I am using it for couple of months and I know that for sure and it is a fact that Windows 7 for mobiles which is built for ARM processor based devices cannot be upgraded to windows 8 and so was the case with windows 6 based devices. so when it comes to mobile devices microsoft is no different and the same is more disturbing with windows devices is because generally the limitation to upgrade the software is because the hardware is not powerful enough but in windows 7 mobile case nokias flagship lumia models even today are shipping with it.
So even someone who purchases a top of the line phone from nokia today cannot upgrade its OS which comes out this month isnt this a serious flaw in it itself and worst then what apple does.
If you look at it what does windows offer except for a live tile interface the RT will come with office and some more apps but other then that there is nothing exciting about it believe me you will get bored with the tile app pretty soon most of the PC users do not like it and hence its logical most of the tablet users will also not like it.
Even one of its biggest partners Intel has said windows 8 is not ready
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Same functionality as GN 10.1 but double the cost, higher energy usage and heat output, more bloat and questionable stability.
I don't miss turning on my Windows desktop and laptop.
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This maybe the most misinformed thing on this forum yet!
Right now Windows 8 is a lot more stable than any version of android. Is not double the cost (749 with the keyboard for Smart PC, 650 without keyboard for Note 10.1). The atom version isn't going to have any more heat output but will have about the same battery life, the i5 will be a ton faster.
Also: OneNote.
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ok all the W8 tabs released are RT version which means none of the native apps will work on them, Every software needs time to get stable and since this is the first version expect lots of issues. Yes the built quality of tabs are impressive but thats not what matters in a gadget we are not in a beauty contest its the usability the biggest dis advantge W8 will have is apps as they will take time. Then we do not know the future roadmap windows never upgrades for free and has a very long update cycle and we already know none of the W7 devices can be upgraded to W8 and that could be the case in future to.
Again its a close enviourment and hence you will have very future options a perfect case example is I have an 2x and we all know LG is still to update it to 4 but because there are so many developers out there we have un official roms which will do it that will also be the case with Samsung note but wont with windows 8
To be frank if I have to look at anything other then Android then why not go in for IPad why would i gamble of W8 when know none of the windows versions have been perfect
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>< If you don't know something, why pretend you do. None of the w8 tabs are released yet (Oct 26th is d-day) and most of them are full version. Only a few are RT.
Well I am sure of the information I have given but may be you are not aware so my humble suggestion to you would be please go search the net and research before commenting you will know.
I bet by using the word full version you showed that you are the one who does not know what you are talking about there are two version of Windows
Please this review for dummies on different windows 8 versions may be it will help you understand windows 8 better
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/the-different-versions-of-windows-8.html
Now read this review and if you think even they do not know what they are talking about then search for many other review
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/tablets/samsung-ativ-tab-1094049/review
Also please review the statement made by Microsoft when they launched surface they have two versions RT based tablets which have been announced and a Pro version which will be launched which I was referring to
I never doubt anyones intellect but if do not agree with someone just put my point without disrespecting him but if some wants does that to me I am not the one who will hold back on him We should remember this is forum where we exchange views on technology so there is nothing to get personal about.
All I can say is after putting these facts to you I am a fool and you are the smart oen
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Well I am sure of the information I have given but may be you are not aware so my humble suggestion to you would be please go search the net and research before commenting you will know.
I bet by using the word full version you showed that you are the one who does not know what you are talking about there are two version of Windows
Please this review for dummies on different windows 8 versions may be it will help you understand windows 8 better
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/the-different-versions-of-windows-8.html
Now read this review and if you think even they do not know what they are talking about then search for many other review
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/tablets/samsung-ativ-tab-1094049/review
Also please review the statement made by Microsoft when they launched surface they have two versions RT based tablets which have been announced and a Pro version which will be launched which I was referring to
I never doubt anyones intellect but if do not agree with someone just put my point without disrespecting him but if some wants does that to me I am not the one who will hold back on him We should remember this is forum where we exchange views on technology so there is nothing to get personal about.
All I can say is after putting these facts to you I am a fool and you are the smart oen
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I think you are very confused about the upcoming Windows 8 tablets.
There will be tablets from the same manufacturers (e.g., Asus, Samsung, Acer, etc) running both Windows 8 RT and full Windows 8. For instance, the Series 5 and Series 8 Samsung tablets are going to be available at the launch of Windows 8 on October 26, and some of them will be little later (e.g., Acer's 510 that runs full Windows as well). In addition to the Clover-trail-based version, they'll also have tablets running the RT version.
If you are exclusively referring to MS Surface running RT (doubt it since you said "all the W8 tabs released are RT version"), then Surface Pro will be released early next year running full Windows 8.
Please rephrase your original comment/concern, so that we can understand what you'd like to discuss regarding this topic.
Thanks you pointed out flaws but by not getting personal
Read these reviews
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/tablets/samsung-ativ-tab-1094049/review
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57532972-94/samsung-unveils-windows-8-ultrabook-tablet-hybrids/
These more of laptop tablet hybrids rather then tablets and the costing is also high. they are intel based devices more like normal ultrabooks
Hi some time ago when windows 8.1 was still called blue there were some rumours that Micro$oft will merge its two platforms. Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 would share she same Metro apps. This move should give M$ edge over Apple where you could have best of both worlds on single device. It seems now that this idea has been lost somewhere in 8.1 changelog.
So I was looking for revolution but it seems that we will receive just evolution. Oh and for most of the portals major change is the start button! Really?!
You seem to be suffering from some keyboard defect. I suggest you look into that. In the meantime, get back under your bridge.
Hi. Thank you for your reply. My post was to start a discussion about the features of new update and about lack of some expected ones (which maybe still will be announced).
And what was the purpose of your reply?
It was never said that wp8 and w8 would become one and the same. You have misunderstood. Some of the new windows runtime features are coming to windows phone and the services offered were to be merged, but the operating systems themselves were to remain seperate.
>Some of the new windows runtime features are coming to windows phone and the services offered were to be merged, but the operating systems themselves were to remain desperate.
that way I had to misunderstood this (would be a great idea thou). Sort of like universal apps shared between iphone and ipad) I seen few apps which are being announced as both windows 8 and windows phone 8 (check co-pilot or halo) which probably kept me in believing in this. Oh well we will see where windows 8 will evolve.
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that way I had to misunderstood this (would be a great idea thou). Sort of like universal apps shared between iphone and ipad) I seen few apps which are being announced as both windows 8 and windows phone 8 (check co-pilot or halo) which probably kept me in believing in this. Oh well we will see where windows 8 will evolve.
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iPhone and iPad share apps simply because they are the same operating system. The iPad is just a giant iPhone. its the same as how one android phone and another share apps, they are the same thing.
Windows phone and windows 8 are not.
The desperate thing I said above, may be true but autocorrect fail, wrote it from my nexus this morning.
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Hi. Thank you for your reply. My post was to start a discussion about the features of new update and about lack of some expected ones (which maybe still will be announced).
And what was the purpose of your reply?
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Purpose of his post is that you stop using that $ instead of S.
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Oh. I am sorry I didn't know that I hurt his / yours religious feelings.
Unless of course this gentleman refers to his home as "under the bridge" I read his post as simple attempt to offend.
In light of recent E3 news (xbox one- drm management, activation fees, price, Internet connection requirement to work, always-on camera pointing your face and listening all the time which you cannot just unplug) I thing that using $ instead of S is good way to comment the situation.
To end this pointless conversation - unless there there is a XDA rule which prohibits me to do so then please stop trolling and trying to offend other forum members.
Now coming back to 8.1 - is this correct what I understood from brief installation description that if you install this release you will have to reinstall all the programs if you would like to install final release?
"M$" and similar (and I'd apply this statement even to, for example, "$ony" which is a company I personally detest) is most commonly used as trolling behavior online. This is doubly true in a forum devoted to discussing Microsoft products. It's possible you had, and still have, a legit intention to create a meaningful discussion. However, it looked (and to an extent, still looks) like you're merely trying to stir up trouble.
I agree that the XbOne restrictions are nasty, but I have no intention of buying one, and this forum has nothing to do with that product.
The only hint I ever saw regarding merging the app models was a job posting about installing both XAP and APPX packages on the same platform. That's interesting, and does imply a merged app platform, but there's no guarantee it was even going to happen, much less when. To the best of my knowledge, Microsoft never officially said anything to the effect of "we will do this" although there's been rampant speculation since the Win8 beta days.
You are right. I has never been said officially thus my expectations and hopes to see any bits of confirmation during the press conference. When I haven seen any I asked the question here. Still must say I am looking forward this update (probably not for first public beta - if the rumours are true that you will have to reinstall all your applications).
Personally I believe that The Redmond company will need stronger impact to conquer more market right now windows 8 is getting the love it should receive as is being designed for touch but mostly is being use on non-touchscreen laptops and PC. Marked wasn't ready for this. So right approach would be IMO to get more tablet users on their side (look at the latest adverts windows 8 vs iPad). If 8" tablets market is good for win8 is another discussion thou.
But coming back to subject. Has this been confirm that win 8.1 final version cannot be I painless way installed on top of preview?
Cheers
In practice, it's pretty much always possible to do an in-place upgrade via tweaking a few files in the installer or a value in the registry. However, in-place upgrades are a bad enough idea even when they're supported; I really can't endorse doing it on your main system. I may well install the preview in a VM, though.
I think in this case I will rather wait for official final release. Hdd restrictions will not allow me to have more fun on vm. I am already running win8 on bootcamp so no more complications are required
Also partially as an answer to my initial question it has been announced that new halo game for win 8 and win phone 8 will not be a cross buy. These will be two independent apps so no one unified system for now at least.
Yeah, that's been the case for a number of games already. On the plus side, the games *can* still share data between platforms if you have it on boath, and you can earn achievemnts on both... which would matter more if I gave a damn about gamerscore (I've got like 3500, LOL) but some people really care.
Hi all. There is still light at the end of the tunnel (hope it's not a train
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/...indows-phone-teams-in-titanic-microsoft-rejig