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Absolutely kills the battery within 4 minutes the Battery was Depleted from Half to red line......I just knew everytime I saw flash 10.1 running on droid or nexus that the battery Icon was always empty, I wasnt too hard on the Reviewers, since I simply thought that they was using the phone all day and forget to charge it, (Benefit of the doubt) , Now this categorically proves my deep suspicions, Even though the gpu is utilised to do the hardware acceleration its still a power hog, Steve Jobs was bang on!!!, and I never owned an Iphone and was planning to get the nexus one!!!! flash 10.1 has huge power envelope problem..PERIOD, thats why they will not release it till later on 3rd quarter it needs alot of work
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Even though it displays what looks like half charge, its in fact lower. Your conclusion is wrong, as the point the indicator turns red is set to just below that half full indicator.
A true test will be to read actual battery levels while playing a video or heavy animation.
I look forward to seeing real power consumption tests, like viewing a youtube video via flash vs a stand alone video player or web browser via Ogg Theora.
Power consumption will vary with the app and video quality as well, so theres a lot more to it than stating Flash his a power hog.
PS: If you believe what you wrote, by an iPhone instead of a Nexus One.
There are also cuts in the video, so the recording session itself could have been quite a bit more than 4 minutes.
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Even though it displays what looks like half charge, its in fact lower. Your conclusion is wrong, as the point the indicator turns red is set to just below that half full indicator.
A true test will be to read actual battery levels while playing a video or heavy animation.
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There are also cuts in the video, so the recording session itself could have been quite a bit more than 4 minutes.
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Hey now, let's not let the facts get in the way of a good rant.
As any N1 user knows the battery graphic doesn't display battery consumption like you're used to with Windows Mobile where looking at the graphic gave you a quick and accurate representation of how much battery is left.
Although I would be interested is seeing how one would actually drain half of the battery in 4 minutes - that would be quite a feat. (For reference when I tried to kill the battery some time ago it took over 2 hours to drain 60% steaming a 3Gb download on wifi, on an endless call on speakerphone while steaming music and playing full volume via slacker radio).
I love the nexus one and wouldnt buy the iphone, Why show a a battery indicator that doesn't show true usage quantitatively, no logic, I am looking at the concurrent time by the clock, not the cut in the scene, unless they have a a wormhole nearby, If your assumption is correct then my suspicion are put to rest but every single time i see flash 10.1 running hardware accelerated flash, the battery is nearly DEAD!, please convince me otherwise,(please) maybe I am overly paranoid about battery life, They do need to try a Test with full battery power, I agree on that logic.
Also would bad coding of java sites eat code, memory management for example, i am not here to disprove any of you but, I want my phone to last more than ten minutes on a flash site........if you think i am being unfair check every flash 10.1 demo on Youtube or otherwise and look at the battery meter!
I have a feeling we are all in for a big treat when Flash arrives.
Lets talk embedded video. For that, flash is just a container stream for the video payload. The codec on your phone/computer does all the work. If the N1 can play 2hrs of AVI's or Mpegs, then so it will be for YouTube as well. I look forward to being able to watch embedded videos.
Even if it sucks the battery dry, I rather have it when needed than not at all.
I want to make the choice and not let some crack pot CEO make it for me.
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if you think i am being unfair check every flash 10.1 demo on Youtube or otherwise and look at the battery meter!
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I understand your point, but I wouldn't loose sleep until we are all flubbing around with dead batteries
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I love the nexus one and wouldnt buy the iphone, Why show a a battery indicator that doesn't show true usage quantitatively, no logic, I am looking at the concurrent time by the clock, not the cut in the scene, unless they have a a wormhole nearby, If your assumption is correct then my suspicion are put to rest but every single time i see flash 10.1 running hardware accelerated flash, the battery is nearly DEAD!, please convince me otherwise,(please) maybe I am overly paranoid about battery life, They do need to try a Test with full battery power, I agree on that logic.
Also would bad coding of java sites eat code, memory management for example, i am not here to disprove any of you but, I want my phone to last more than ten minutes on a flash site........if you think i am being unfair check every flash 10.1 demo on Youtube or otherwise and look at the battery meter!
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The battery icon is really poor IMO at showing actual usage. Perhaps they designed it that way on purpose, but having used WM for the last 3 years it doesn't appear to give me a useful representation of the battery life remaining or used. A shortcut to battery info is needed to be sure for me.
The clock in the scenes runs from 3:59 until well after it ticks to 4:05 (when the battery turns orange). The vid then runs to 4:07 another 2+ minutes until the video ends where the clock doesn't appear again. So we're looking at around 10 minutes of flash usage and around 6 from when it's the last tick of green it appears until it hits orange. Unfortunately there's no real quantitative values to show how much battery was used.
Poor coding of flash site themselves shouldn't be huge unless they are registering a boat load of events and doing a lot of processing on those - not to the extent that it mauls battery life at least. The N1 has enough memory free - with a highmem kernel - that i can't see these sites really causing a lot of pages to have to be swapped or memory freed as a result of loading the page, although it's possible. But this isn't something that's going to kill a battery in 10 minutes.
I'd say reserve judgement until there's a real 10.1 out there we can test and get some quantitative results. I don't think Adobe would be pushing a product to market that essentially would kill the phone within a 10-20 minute time frame, that would just make them look bad and piss people off.
My guess is Apple's big beef with flash is that they would lose control of content on the phones themselves (games and apps) as a flash portal would then allow anyone to circumvent their approval process and app control rather than power consumption.
Unless Adobe is doing things in a highly inefficient manner then they aren't going to be doing more GPU operations than any other graphically intensive game - there will be some CPU overhead associated with flash and the on the fly translations it has to do, but as long as this is optimized for a mobile device you shouldn't see a massive drain compared to other "heavy" games.
Oh wow....
Flash 10.1 looks SO much better then I thought it would... simply amazing...
Craving for the update...
(oh, and about the TC's silly battery comment - the battery only went down a single 'step' in the video, for all we know, it could have gone down from 31% to 30% during all that time).
first, i would rather have the opportunity to use flash than NOT have it. even if it drained my battery. and second, we are talking about a product that is not coming for quite some time so maybe we should withold our opinions till then. that nexus three really sux by the way.....
Even if OP wasnt clueless and this was true.
I dont think people are getting the point. Once flash is widely available on Android it ownt be about viewing current content. Itll be about how great Flash will be when optimized for mobile platform. Just like many websites immediately started having PSP/Ipod freindly videos so will sites start offering mobile freindly Flash.
The games and videos will be much more fluid on it than anything you can pluck now.
Man that looks awesome....
Wow, surprisingly smooth! specially the video, as it's from a site obviously not optimized for mobile phones.
Doesn't the desire have this version of flash? I thought modaco had a desire rom for the nexus in the xda dev section...
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Doesn't the desire have this version of flash? I thought modaco had a desire rom for the nexus in the xda dev section...
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nah, they have flash lite , it is an early built. flash 10.1 is not yet on our hands
yea this looks SICK cant wait
I'm sorry but there is no possible way without making your phone a frying pan to drain the nexus battery in 4 minutes even from half drain...
I mean anyone with basic electrical knowledge knows the by product of power comsumption is heat no matter what we do. If Flash was to drain a battery in 4 minutes, you wouldn't barely be able to touch the phone from the amount of heat produced.
That being said I still think flash is a power hog, but that's why they keep refining it for mobile devices.
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I'm sorry but there is no possible way without making your phone a frying pan to drain the nexus battery in 4 minutes even from half drain...
I mean anyone with basic electrical knowledge knows the by product of power comsumption is heat no matter what we do. If Flash was to drain a battery in 4 minutes, you wouldn't barely be able to touch the phone from the amount of heat produced.
That being said I still think flash is a power hog, but that's why they keep refining it for mobile devices.
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agreed, you would have to be sucking down 10,800MAH's to drain half of the N1's battery in 4 minutes.
and at that kind of discharge rate would just about instantly destroy the battery.
wow, that´s a nice vid...very promising!..just this and FM radio and my Nex1 is perfect
I hope people realize, that the Flash is just a container for the .mp4 or whatever file that happens to be uploaded, into the Flash container...
So the battery life you get out of watching videos on a nexus one, or iphone, or etc. is the same battery life you would get out of watching videos. However it just so happens that to watch a youtube video you would also be chewing through 3G data and that would kill battery a bit quicker.
But not in 4 minutes.
Hey. Does someone you know, what is the highest (read: critical) battery and HW temperature in this phone? I am a little bit scared when I'm getting even 55*C on battery when I am using it as a navigation connected to charger in a car. I know it's too high because when it's heating over 49*C it stops charging. My question is how dangerous is such high temperature for HW and Battery? Is it normal behavior?
I never had such high temperatures, and I live on a hot country (Brazil). Try to check apps running in background, or, if you are using 3G and charger, it can get really hot. But I think it's normal, since my phone reaches 45ºC while charging, and I don't use 3G.
with 3g my phone gets crazy hot. i once left it on overnight (it didnt go to sleep) and when i woke up it felt dangerously hot, musta been 50deg or something
otherwise, with wifi it just gets warm... still worrying though, considering none of my other portable devices have ever gotten this hot before... just shows where all of the battery life goes to! :S
i dont think its the battery getting hot though, it must be the cell chip. my batt temps are usually pretty low, and the batt itself doesnt seem to get hot. its just the panel above the battery that warms up
My phone got so high temperature (55*C) when I was using navigation. Moreover it was pluged to the car charger (but wasn't charging because of high temperature) and mounted to the window in hot sunny day. And I'd like to know how dangerous is such high temp. for the device.
I wonder if we have dud phones? my battery life sucks ass... bare able on wifi, but **** with 3g
Agree with scott. With prolonged use my battery doesnt heat up, just the panel above the battery (where the camera is)
And my battery life sucks too. Gotta keep it charged in the car for even short (30 min) trips with navigation
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Try checking the manual (if there is) for operating temperatures etc.
I'm not exactly sure of how it'll affect the phone but it poses health problems due to higher radiations.
Try preventing this by ensuring all other (running) apps that you don't need are closed by using a task killer and all connectivity stuffs (eg. bluetooth, data sync) ESPECIALLY THE BACKGROUND DATA if you don't need it. Also, if possible try to refrain from covering the back panel (mainly the area near the camera) and allow ventilation to let it cool so it won't overheat.
What else I do is leaving the keyboard opened so there's even more surface area for it to cool.
The problem isn't just about damage, but that you don't want to be holding hot metal.
Yes it sucks but its a price to pay for such high specs packed in such a tiny casing.
My friend who owns Samsung Galaxy II has his phone heating up even more frequently and quickly, so we're not the only ones
Its annoying because we know its avoidable and shouldnt have been allowed in the final design by motorola
I've never seen such high temperatures with my M 2.
Highest was 47ºC while charging and playing a game. It usually sits around 35-36ºC idle, and 40-42º during games.
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I wonder if we have dud phones? my battery life sucks ass... bare able on wifi, but **** with 3g
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And my battery life sucks too. Gotta keep it charged in the car for even short (30 min) trips with navigation
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That's normal guys... Every device dying in a "few minutes" with 3G. And U know what? From my last 3 devices which I have been using to surf in the Internet with 3G (Moto RIZR Z8, Nokia N86, Moto Milestone 2), MM2 lasts the longest.
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Agree with scott. With prolonged use my battery doesnt heat up, just the panel above the battery (where the camera is)
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That's right, but every app just showing the battery temperature
Damn..
Yesterday my milestone 2 became hotter as ever, just above the battery (where the camera is, like newbietown). First I turned it off, but it stayed hot even then. After I removed the battery it became cool again.
But! Now my MS2 is completely dead...
It's really not turning on again, and charging is really weird (irregular flashin led). And my warranty is void because of me installing argen2stone I guess ..
Well, just flash a stock rom and they'll never know...
My phone is not recognized on my computer using USB . Can I still use rsd lite?
First get to bootloader mode: Power + Volume Up (or down) + Camera
If battery is too low you'll need to buy a relacement or a external charger.
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Try taking it to warranty. Argen2Stone is so lightly modded, maybe they won't mind it. Anyway, you have nothing to lose now. And this really looks like a HW problem, not SW
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Beginning of next week I will hand it in for warranty. I think it has something to do with the power circuit in the phone. Sometime i've used HTC chargers (1A) instead of the motorola charger (0,85A).. That could be the cause Hopefully they cannot see that.
I don't think that's a problem. I always use a Nokia charger, I find the original charger too short, the Nokia has a good lenght. And I never had problems with overheating. Also, 1A is the maximum current that the charger can provide, not the nominal [email protected] anytime
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I was thinking of jumping ship from sg2 to nexus 4 white edition.
I have never used a phone with non removable battery.
Can any user inform me what are the draw backs of it apart from not able to swap it for a fully charged battery & self replacing it when the battery itself goes bad?
I know in sg2 some times removing battery is the only way to restart it wen it gets hanged!
Buy an extra charger for work and a car charger. Both are cheap on amazon. No need to worry about replacing a low battery. :thumbup:
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I have found no Drawbacks so far Once tweaked the battery life is pretty damn good and I have not had a single reason to remove the battery. When I first got the N4 I used to play this Jurassic park game with my girlfriend and if you closed the game down while in landscape it crashed the phone but even then it was a case of holding down the power button until it shut down and booted back up I have never carried spare batteries either, my profession means I am always bouncing around the place with my 'Gadget bag' as I call it and I can always use either one of two laptops to charge the N4 or one of two portable chargers I have with me if I cant find a mains point. Suffice to say I have never needed to charge the N4 during the day since tweaking and that is with what I consider heavy use.
It doesn't affect me, having switched from the s2. That's never true about hangs, either the device reboots itself or you hold the power button until it does, just like any device.
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Its a convenience not having to remove or mess with the battery!
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I have found no Drawbacks so far Once tweaked the battery life is pretty damn good and I have not had a single reason to remove the battery. When I first got the N4 I used to play this Jurassic park game with my girlfriend and if you closed the game down while in landscape it crashed the phone but even then it was a case of holding down the power button until it shut down and booted back up I have never carried spare batteries either, my profession means I am always bouncing around the place with my 'Gadget bag' as I call it and I can always use either one of two laptops to charge the N4 or one of two portable chargers I have with me if I cant find a mains point. Suffice to say I have never needed to charge the N4 during the day since tweaking and that is with what I consider heavy use.
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Interesting...
What tweaks are you using?
Well I have quite a lot of different accounts in a state of constant sync, all pictures taken are immediately backed up ect...
Tweaks such as custom sync options in 'BatteryGuru' that imposes my sync choices based on location and battery amount allow me to use my phone normally and all the time without worrying about when an app will update or refresh/page.
SetCPU Profiles & Custom Kernel mean that my phone over clocks and aims for performance when the screen is on and restricts maximum clock speed when the screen is off, coupled with battery level restrictions and limitations.
ZDbox automatically adjusts the phones settings based on battery level, allowing me to have the phone act differently based on how much battery I have left and how much data is being collected ready for an upcoming sync. Allowing me to lock the phone down and allowing a single, full sync of all apps at chosen times or States.
These are just a few it takes a while to collect everything together and get it all working in harmony with other apps but its good fun once you do xD
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Hey guys. I'm wondering how much better the battery has gotten since the first week y'all got it, to now.
For me I'm satisfied with the battery and I've had it for 4 days. I get about 2-2.5 hours screen on time with fairly heavy internet usage, texting, etc.
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Hey guys. I'm wondering how much better the battery has gotten since the first week y'all got it, to now.
For me I'm satisfied with the battery and I've had it for 4 days. I get about 2-2.5 hours screen on time with fairly heavy internet usage, texting, etc.
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Are you taking any measures to save battery life, like certain screen brightness, disabling of certain features or radios, undervolting or CPU/Governor changes, etc?
First thing I installed on mine ( haven't had mine a week yet ) was Battery Monitor Widger Pro, since I've used that on my past devices when I was testing out generic batteries (speaking of which the 8$ ebay 3800mAh on my Desire-Z is still kicking strong after a year).
Problem with estimates, is that they are basically just that, and the difference between browsing on mobile vs browsing on wifi or mix, and your reception quality can also have an impact on your battery. (in the end, your screen is the biggest impact).
Mine lately, say if I had it charged at 100% , it'll take about 2 hours on mobile to get to 91%, with the screen being on about 25%-35% of that time (auto-brightness), receive/send text, take out of pocket to check email or facebook notifications, and so forth. Which would normally show as screen 30%, Google services 13%, Wifi 9% (when I had it on between house and destination). Phone idle 8%, Android OS 7% etc.
The widget I mentioned earlier can basically monitor your draw from time to time and if the screen was off or on and such during those times (default interval on it if using a widget is around 10 minutes on the logging, shorter may actually impact the battery it's monitoring oddly enough)
PS: The other day when I actually drained it down to 0% it took about 5-6 hours
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Hey guys. I'm wondering how much better the battery has gotten since the first week y'all got it, to now.
For me I'm satisfied with the battery and I've had it for 4 days. I get about 2-2.5 hours screen on time with fairly heavy internet usage, texting, etc.
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I had about 3-4.5 hours of screen time other moderate to heavy usage on my first week as I was testing it's battery life. As that I just used my phone under light to moderate usage. My brightness level is always at it's lowest but when I'm outside I turn it up to about 50%. I rarely play games on my device. I read a lot on my phone. I use my phone to record lectures in class and do a bit of homework on it. 7 months later and I'm pretty much doing the same. I have a custom kernel installed and I'm really confidence about it. I carry a external battery pack with me all the time but I hardly use. After having a custom kernel for the past 7 months I can say battery life has been relativity the same screen time wise. I learned how to manage my apps so they won't prevent my phone from sleeping to save power. Your mileage will vary depending on what you're doing on your phone and how you manage your device. Cell service is crucial to the phone. If you're in area with little to no service your device will use up more power to stay connected. This is when "Airplane mode" comes in handy.
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Are you taking any measures to save battery life, like certain screen brightness, disabling of certain features or radios, undervolting or CPU/Governor changes, etc?
First thing I installed on mine ( haven't had mine a week yet ) was Battery Monitor Widger Pro, since I've used that on my past devices when I was testing out generic batteries (speaking of which the 8$ ebay 3800mAh on my Desire-Z is still kicking strong after a year).
Problem with estimates, is that they are basically just that, and the difference between browsing on mobile vs browsing on wifi or mix, and your reception quality can also have an impact on your battery. (in the end, your screen is the biggest impact).
Mine lately, say if I had it charged at 100% , it'll take about 2 hours on mobile to get to 91%, with the screen being on about 25%-35% of that time (auto-brightness), receive/send text, take out of pocket to check email or facebook notifications, and so forth. Which would normally show as screen 30%, Google services 13%, Wifi 9% (when I had it on between house and destination). Phone idle 8%, Android OS 7% etc.
The widget I mentioned earlier can basically monitor your draw from time to time and if the screen was off or on and such during those times (default interval on it if using a widget is around 10 minutes on the logging, shorter may actually impact the battery it's monitoring oddly enough)
PS: The other day when I actually drained it down to 0% it took about 5-6 hours
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Nah. All stock, not rooted yet, auto-brightness, No auto sync. I don't get very good service at my work and I was about 28% without service during the time I was there. I would get on facebook and message people on facebook and text, surf the internet etc because it was slow. I had maybe 2 hours screen time and 8% battery life when I left work. It was probably 9 hours off the charger. Here. I'll post a screen shot after this post (On my computer right now)
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Nah. All stock, not rooted yet, auto-brightness, No auto sync. I don't get very good service at my work and I was about 28% without service during the time I was there. I would get on facebook and message people on facebook and text, surf the internet etc because it was slow. I had maybe 2 hours screen time and 8% battery life when I left work. It was probably 9 hours off the charger. Here. I'll post a screen shot after this post (On my computer right now)
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One of the benefits to custom roms (though 'stock' on a nexus is well AOSP so...) is the ability to tweak that stuff to finer details, top it off with a custom kernel and can optimize even further. Just a matter of how far you want to take it.
I have a history of immediately rooting anything I get my hands on, so I tend to have very little experience with stock. But the Nexus devices are probably the only ones I could survive having stock (but rooted) as opposed to say touchWhiz on samsung.
I can say that this phone charges FAAAAAAST.
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One of the benefits to custom roms (though 'stock' on a nexus is well AOSP so...) is the ability to tweak that stuff to finer details, top it off with a custom kernel and can optimize even further. Just a matter of how far you want to take it.
I have a history of immediately rooting anything I get my hands on, so I tend to have very little experience with stock. But the Nexus devices are probably the only ones I could survive having stock (but rooted) as opposed to say touchWhiz on samsung.
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Coming from the the backflip's motoblur to the Captivate's touchwiz then onto One X's sense to AOSP.. I'm going to stay android purist from now on. I'm in love with AOSP
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Coming from the the backflip's motoblur to the Captivate's touchwiz then onto One X's sense to AOSP.. I'm going to stay android purist from now on. I'm in love with AOSP
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At least all the available kernels work just fine with AOSP. (Francos seems to be pretty popular for battery, I prefer bricked though on both my N4 and N7).
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At least all the available kernels work just fine with AOSP. (Francos seems to be pretty popular for battery, I prefer bricked though on both my N4 and N7).
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Why do you prefer them?
So with battery monitor widget pro do I just let it run and collect data?
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At least all the available kernels work just fine with AOSP. (Francos seems to be pretty popular for battery, I prefer bricked though on both my N4 and N7).
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Guess tonight I'm going to work on getting it drained down to 0% just remembered it was my N7 that I did a full cycle on with monitoring, I haven't done so yet to the N4.
PS: I usually do a dual-graph (mV and mA), but in this screenshot you can see generally speaking with my current configuration, I tend to drain around 200-300 mA screen on, and around -20-50 with it off.
PS#2 : It only went up to the -400 or so mA on the top right because I had changed my screen brightness to about half instead of autobrightness.
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Why do you prefer them?
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Additional options. Take for example the Bricked kernel for the N4 in my signature. This is it's feature list, it's not aimed for hardcore overclockers or such but gives you some options (The one for the Nexus 7 is a bit more configurable during the installation).
* Based upon Googles msm 3.4 source
* Various other fixes (look @ github)
* Compiled with gcc4.7.2 toolchain (linaro 09.12)
* -O3 optimized
* Snapdragon S4 & CortexA15 optimizations
* Sweep2wake
* 192Mhz min clock
* replaced qcoms hotplug binary with msm_mpdecision (IN-KERNEL, better battery life + performance)
* Extensive sysfs interface for mpdecision with all the tuneables you want (/sys/kernel/msm_mpdecision/)
* replaced the thermald binary with my IN-KERNEL solution. (/sys/kernel/msm_thermal/)
* export krait version to: /sys/kernel/debug/krait_variant
* modified ondemand governor
* Allow OC up to 1,83Ghz, faux123 (from a thermal point of view that is now SAFE)
* Fixed min cpufreq resets
* Undervolting (faux123)
* Default clocks: 384min & 1512max
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Sweep2Wake is kind of nice too, you just slide accross the screen to turn it on without having to touch the power button (And yes your phone is still asleep doing this, it just works off interupts.)
other kernels can be a bit more involved, such as being aimed towards overclocking the CPU or GPU, or adding in extra features not normally found in stock, and so forth. I've had the best luck with Bricked and Francos'
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So with battery monitor widget pro do I just let it run and collect data?
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Yep, if you have a widget on the home screen (I usually do 2x1 size) it'll collect every 10 mins by default. If you don't use a widget you'd have to check a box in preference to monitor without widget or it won't log times (note for example the missing 'blocks' from my history log).
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Speaking of battery, anyone ever gotten more than say 800mA charge on their N4? Cuz even on my old Desire-Z if I plugged it into a 2.1A charger it would actually charge up around 1300-1500mA, but with the Nexus 4 seems that even on a 2.1A port it rarely charges more than 500-600mA.
It'll probably become more accurate once I actually drain it down to 0% and have the widget record it's history from 0% to 100% since it bases a lot of it's mA estimates off that (ie: off the rate of decrease of the battery's mv since batteries typically have a certain voltage once they hit near 0% and when they're at 100%, comebine that with what it knows the battery's mA to be it can determine the charge/discharge based off that).
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[/COLOR]Speaking of battery, anyone ever gotten more than say 800mA charge on their N4? Cuz even on my old Desire-Z if I plugged it into a 2.1A charger it would actually charge up around 1300-1500mA, but with the Nexus 4 seems that even on a 2.1A port it rarely charges more than 500-600mA.
It'll probably become more accurate once I actually drain it down to 0% and have the widget record it's history from 0% to 100% since it bases a lot of it's mA estimates off that (ie: off the rate of decrease of the battery's mv since batteries typically have a certain voltage once they hit near 0% and when they're at 100%, comebine that with what it knows the battery's mA to be it can determine the charge/discharge based off that).
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I can get back to you when I figure this app out more and start using it.
What'd you say your screen on time usually was?
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I can get back to you when I figure this app out more and start using it.
What'd you say your screen on time usually was?
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Just in the last 2 hours or so, probably 30-45 minutes. I was in the car so it wasn't coming on all that often. Since I actually have the widget on my home screen now, I'll just post an update again probably in the morning as I play with the phone some more, maybe play a game or two (I'll set a Market in the battery history before I start and after I end it).
Far as figuring it out, it's pretty easy since most of it is already set up by default once you open it. You can basically just pop a 2x1 widget on the home screen and just leave it.
My battery life has improved drastically by just sticking with one setup and letting the phone get used to it. That means keep the same rom and kernel so the phone settles in and gets used to it. After a few cycles your usage should increase.
I recommend straight CM 10.1 with Franco kernel.
Also use 2g instead of HSPA+ when you're not using data to save power.
If you're using touch control, don't, it drains more power for sure.
Undervolting helps too.
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nyyankees1237 said:
If you're using touch control, don't, it drains more power for sure.
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Can you clarify on this, other than the power/volume there's not much else to actually control the phone with.
kbeezie said:
Can you clarify on this, other than the power/volume there's not much else to actually control the phone with.
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The app 'touch control' , many nexus 4 owners use it to wake and lock the phone using touch gestures in place of the traditional power button. In my usage it definitely drains the battery quicker.
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nyyankees1237 said:
The app 'touch control' , many nexus 4 owners use it to wake and lock the phone using touch gestures in place of the traditional power button. In my usage it definitely drains the battery quicker.
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Oh you mean like Sweep2Wake in the Bricked Kernel I'm using, except that doesn't use any battery cuz that's in the kernel using interrupts rather than an app that would keep the phone awake. (course that's all it does too, wake, nothing more sophisticated than that).
But yea I didn't know about that app.
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Just in the last 2 hours or so, probably 30-45 minutes. I was in the car so it wasn't coming on all that often. Since I actually have the widget on my home screen now, I'll just post an update again probably in the morning as I play with the phone some more, maybe play a game or two (I'll set a Market in the battery history before I start and after I end it).
Far as figuring it out, it's pretty easy since most of it is already set up by default once you open it. You can basically just pop a 2x1 widget on the home screen and just leave it.
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So yeah. You should drain it then report with some screenshots.
It's at 44% right now
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Im using the device since Tuesday and here are my findings about the device.
Lets start with the Goodies,
Once you hold the phone you know you have got a piece of unique quality phone. It is designed really nice. If I would trust myself I would never use a case for this device.
Battery life is amazing. Nobody can complain about the battery life of this phone unless they have a faulty battery. First day charged it for 4 hours and lasted me 1 day 16 hours. I totally drained my battery and fully charged it and lasted me 1 day 17 hours. (5 hours of screen time on both charges). I would give 10/10 on battery life thats for sure.
Camera is awesome. There are no words to describe to camera quality. I was really worried about the camera quality after seeing some silly pictures taken with the device. So many options to choose on camera. You definitely don't need a third party camera app for this phone.
Recorded some videos at 1080p quality. I can only say "wow". I was mirroring it on my 3D HDTV, everything is so clear. When you upload it to Youtube you dont get as good as quality you have in your phone. Do not judge the video quality of the camera at youtube or any other video uploading websites. They always trim your video and reduce the quality of the videos.
Full Album of photos taken at Botanic garden
Defocus background Mode Photo Samples
Manual Mode Photo Samples
4K Video Quality Sample
Screen, it is really nice and clear. I was also worried about the screen as someone said screen is really dim. That guy must be blind. On highest brightness you cannot even look at the screen cos its shining on your eyes . When it is sunny outside if the screen brightness is not at full you can hardly see the screen but if it is full its fine for me at least.
Sound quality is pretty good on both ways either on speakers or headphones. It can actually be too loud if you are watching good quality movie or listening good quality songs.
Antutu Benchmark Score and Comparisons
And the baddies.
Notification sound and vibration are so low. You can hardly hear your notifications. I have changed my whatsapp notification vibrate to long one still sometimes cant feel it. Hope they will fix it with an update.
Double touch to wake feature is not responsive. I was like tapping 10 times to wake the phone up where I supposed to tap twice. I just dont use it any more. Also I believe it drains the battery.
4K Video recording is out of sync. I believe that cos the screen has to be 4K to get the sync at the right time. It is quite pointless to record videos at 4K unless you have 4K TV.
Fingerprints on back glass I mean it gets dirty so easily I even tried that by washing my hands and after playing a wee while it leaves the fingerprints on the glass is annoying me. I have got a case that problem is sorted but still something could be done for it.
Charging battery is seems so slow to me, takes over 4 hours to fully charge. Not too sure if I have got a faulty charger or everyone is the time as me but it should be quicker in my opinion.
There is no restart button on power menu all the other phones have it. I have no idea why they never put restart button on the power menu.
So far I can say those things about the phone but I will update it when I find out new stuff.
Have you yet encountered the overheating issue on your Z2, also how is call quality on your device?
debrandman said:
Have you yet encountered the overheating issue on your Z2, also how is call quality on your device?
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When I recorded 4K video it was getting warm I did record quite small length of video though 38 seconds.
I think everybody has got that issue it warms up or overheat while recording 4K videos.
I did record 6 mins of 1080p video it was totally fine.
Call quality is really good even with headphones.
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I use the phone for 2 days. the double tap feature it's working very well for me and always responding i just love it and i don't think it consume battery. i use the phone all day with wifi and Lte 4g.. watching YouTube. viber.. WhatsApp . playing with the camera a bit . etc.. and the battery just don't want to go down.. am amazed by the battery life.. and the screen colours and quality just OMG.. I never seen any phone before with same like this screen.. about the RAM i still have around 1.4Gb empty which is amazing after installing all the apps.. so far i never noticed overheating problems just normal warm like other phones
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Cena99 said:
I use the phone for 2 days. the double tap feature it's working very well for me and always responding i just love it and i don't think it consume battery. i use the phone all day with wifi and Lte 4g.. watching YouTube. viber.. WhatsApp . playing with the camera a bit . etc.. and the battery just don't want to go down.. am amazed by the battery life.. and the screen colours and quality just OMG.. I never seen any phone before with same like this screen.. about the RAM i still have around 1.4Gb empty which is amazing after installing all the apps.. so far i never noticed overheating problems just normal warm like other phones
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Yeah I forgot to add the battery life at goodies.
Battery life is amazing 1 day 17 hours it lasted me on second charge. On first charge was almost the same.
Judging from your response on the charging time, I believe the charger provided by Sony has a low current. Since Z2 has quick charge 2.0, get a stronger charging adapter to get a faster charging time.
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Judging from your response on the charging time, I believe the charger provided by Sony has a low current. Since Z2 has quick charge 2.0, get a stronger charging adapter to get a faster charging time.
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The Sony charger included has 1.5A current rating.
kingrion88 said:
Judging from your response on the charging time, I believe the charger provided by Sony has a low current. Since Z2 has quick charge 2.0, get a stronger charging adapter to get a faster charging time.
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Where can I a get it?
The charger came with my device is this one as @Jackos said 1.5
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I have yet to receive my Z2 so I am not entirely sure as to where you can get the charger unfortunately.
I believe quick charge 2.0 mean it supports up to more than (>) 4Amp current compare to the ones provided by sony which is 1.5A. This explains how Oppo Find 7 charge its latest flagship with 70% in just 30 minutes since it is provided with 4.5A charger.
.. I could be wrong though.
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I have yet to receive my Z2 so I am not entirely sure as to where you can get the charger unfortunately.
I believe quick charge 2.0 mean it supports up to more than (>) 4Amp current compare to the ones provided by sony which is 1.5A. This explains how Oppo Find 7 charge its latest flagship with 70% in just 30 minutes since it is provided with 4.5A charger.
.. I could be wrong though.
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Okay will check and see if I can get faster charger for it.
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I've used double tap to wake a lot, it has never failed once so far. Maybe you accidentally putt glove mode on?
My battery lasted over 22 hours, with 38% left (5 hours 33 mins screen time). Battery charged from 38% to 90% in about an hour, used Sony charger (microsd).
I agree about the ring tone and notification volumes being too soft.
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I've used double tap to wake a lot, it has never failed once so far. Maybe you accidentally putt glove mode on?
My battery lasted over 22 hours, with 38% left (5 hours 33 mins screen time). Battery charged from 38% to 90% in about an hour, used Sony charger (microsd).
I agree about the ring tone and notification volumes being too soft.
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I have checked the glove mode which is off.
I have turned my double touch to wake function on again so far so good.
Can you tell me what model is your battery charger? is it same as mine? (you can see it above) My battery was charged 54 percent in one and half hour and my phone was off.
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I have checked the glove mode which is off.
I have turned my double touch to wake function on again so far so good.
Can you tell me what model is your battery charger? is it same as mine? (you can see it above) My battery was charged 54 percent in one and half hour and my phone was off.
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My charger looks smaller then yours, I couldn't take a clear picture of it ATM.
Charger EP880 1269-4154.1
TYPE AC-0401-AU
INPUT: 100-240V~ 300mA 50-60Hz
OUTPUT: 5.0 VDC=== 1500mA
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S/N xxxxxxxxx
Made in China by Phihong
This difference seems to be the input, mine is 300mA while your's is 250mA and made in different places.
I would just like to add I have the same issue with the tap to wake functionality. Its intermittent at best.
I have noticed it happens when the phone has been idle for some time. It will take around 4 taps to wake the screen. Once you do it once, it will pretty much do it perfect every time repeatedly. That's as far as my trouble shooting has established so far.
It is definitely an issue though and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.
Where did you get your Z2 from? Wasn't O2 by any chance?
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My charger looks smaller then yours, I couldn't take a clear picture of it ATM.
Charger EP880 1269-4154.1
TYPE AC-0401-AU
INPUT: 100-240V~ 300mA 50-60Hz
OUTPUT: 5.0 VDC=== 1500mA
PSM08AU-050S
S/N xxxxxxxxx
Made in China by Phihong
This difference seems to be the input, mine is 300mA while your's is 250mA and made in different places.
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Yeah that's the only difference where do you live? Why I got everything different than other people. My headphones are different as well I believe a model down one I have.
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leecasey said:
I would just like to add I have the same issue with the tap to wake functionality. Its intermittent at best.
I have noticed it happens when the phone has been idle for some time. It will take around 4 taps to wake the screen. Once you do it once, it will pretty much do it perfect every time repeatedly. That's as far as my trouble shooting has established so far.
It is definitely an issue though and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.
Where did you get your Z2 from? Wasn't O2 by any chance?
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I bought it from three.
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PiskopatYazar said:
Yeah that's the only difference where do you live? Why I got everything different than other people. My headphones are different as well I believe a model down one I have.
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I'm from Australia. Don't worry, I have the bad earphones too.
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leecasey said:
I would just like to add I have the same issue with the tap to wake functionality. Its intermittent at best.
I have noticed it happens when the phone has been idle for some time. It will take around 4 taps to wake the screen. Once you do it once, it will pretty much do it perfect every time repeatedly. That's as far as my trouble shooting has established so far.
It is definitely an issue though and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.
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I just woke up about 1 1/2 hours ago and the phone double tap on first try for me, have all the power saving options turned on. I am not saying it's not an issue, it's just not an issue for me because it has worked for me 100% of the times I've tried it. Not sure if I'm just lucky or if I'm some kind of double tap master.
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I'm from Australia. Don't worry, I have the bad earphones too.
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I just woke up about 1 1/2 hours ago and the phone double tap on first try for me, have all the power saving options turned on. I am not saying it's not an issue, it's just not an issue for me because it has worked for me 100% of the times I've tried it. Not sure if I'm just lucky or if I'm some kind of double tap master.
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Apologies, I wasn't implying everyone has the issue but it's definitely an issue for a large amount of people. There is a thread about it on the Sony forums. Nothing acknowledged as of yet though.
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Apologies, I wasn't implying everyone has the issue but it's definitely an issue for a large amount of people. There is a thread about it on the Sony forums. Nothing acknowledged as of yet though.
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All good, no need to apologies.
Could be due to touch screen responsiveness on some screens.
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All good, no need to apologies.
Could be due to touch screen responsiveness on some screens.
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its fine after the initial attempt from a long idle period though. Who's using the official flip case? I am. I'm wondering if the felt against the surface could be causing some kind of weird problem. Clutching at straws but trying to find some common/uncommon ground.