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I'm planning to get a microSDhc card for my Jade (HTC Touch 3g).
Can you guys please advice will there is any difference in performance, response time and speed between 4GB microSDhc and 8GB microSDhc.
For the timebeing, I'm using mere 1GB micro SD card and its works great.
I know that both works with Jade, but how about the response time? I'm surely looking for bigger space, but not at the cost of speed and response time.
Thanks!!
HTC (officially) supports only 4Gb SD. Many I know have used 8Gb without problem. Personally I'm using just 4Gb without problem. Response time - blink of an eye, I do not have an empirical engineering measure though. Most of my programs / applications are on SD and the response time are OK.. so far, over a year now, never fail.
I use this one without any problems:
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B001D0ROGO/ref=ox_ya_oh_product
I have no exact data for response etc. but it is very fast.
I am using an 8gb, I can't compare it to a 4gb since I don't have one.
azahidi said:
HTC (officially) supports only 4Gb SD. Many I know have used 8Gb without problem. Personally I'm using just 4Gb without problem. Response time - blink of an eye, I do not have an empirical engineering measure though. Most of my programs / applications are on SD and the response time are OK.. so far, over a year now, never fail.
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Thanks Azahidi for the info!!
Even i'm planning to have my most of the programs/appilcations on the storage card, so was wondering about the response time.
On HTC site, they said they have tested 8GB, but didn't mention about the performance.
http://www.htc.com/in/faqs.aspx?p_id=174&cat=270&id=85794&f=t
But, the salesman at the store said 8GB will make ur device slow, which I didn't want for more space.
So, was looking for the expert opinions on this.
MvBoe said:
I use this one without any problems:
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B001D0ROGO/ref=ox_ya_oh_product
I have no exact data for response etc. but it is very fast.
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I am using an 8gb, I can't compare it to a 4gb since I don't have one.
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Have you guys installed programs/applications on the Storage card?
And is the reponse of those program on SD are marginally slower as compare to similiar application on device memory?
Even I'm looking to bigger space, it helps a lazy person like me to clean the storage after long long time.
How is the access time for data like music/video/documents from SD and how about the stability?
Thanks in advance!!
meet_bijoy said:
Have you guys installed programs/applications on the Storage card?
And is the reponse of those program on SD are marginally slower as compare to similiar application on device memory?
Even I'm looking to bigger space, it helps a lazy person like me to clean the storage after long long time.
How is the access time for data like music/video/documents from SD and how about the stability?
Thanks in advance!!
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I installed nearly all programs on my card (see above) and I have no delay or other problems with it. Of course I do never remove it.
Speed for Cards...
most of the new Cards u can use have different "class" of speed, it give class
Class 2: 2 MByte/s - 13x
Class 4: 4 MByte/s - 26x
Class 6: 6 MByte/s - 40x
i use a Toshiba 8GB with Class4 (i pay 8,-EUR at eBay) and this works fine.
The most of the Programms I use, I installed on the Card except Phoneweaver or eqal Software that use direct access to the Sim.
I use for Videos (MusicClips, TV-Series with Subtitle in srt-format and Documentations) the CoreMobileVideoPlayer and the Videos works fluently perfect.
I have a second Device, a HTC Diamond with internal 4GB and to this it is no different with the speed (memory access).
I hope, this helps a little bit
Chris1507 said:
most of the new Cards u can use have different "class" of speed, it give class
Class 2: 2 MByte/s - 13x
Class 4: 4 MByte/s - 26x
Class 6: 6 MByte/s - 40x
i use a Toshiba 8GB with Class4 (i pay 8,-EUR at eBay) and this works fine.
The most of the Programms I use, I installed on the Card except Phoneweaver or eqal Software that use direct access to the Sim.
I use for Videos (MusicClips, TV-Series with Subtitle in srt-format and Documentations) the CoreMobileVideoPlayer and the Videos works fluently perfect.
I have a second Device, a HTC Diamond with internal 4GB and to this it is no different with the speed (memory access).
I hope, this helps a little bit
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Thank you so much!!
It is a great information you shared and really helpfull for selecting my Storage card.
well i use an 8GB micro sd card and it works like a charm
besides i heard that our jade can hold up to 16 GB's (thats what the folks at htc store told me) not quite sure about it but i guess the more storage u ride the more battery consumption u get
so i guess its fairly enough to stick with 8Gigs.
HTC touch 3G ( jade 110)
Hi guys. (I own htc touch 3g- jada 110) I am using also 8gb SDHC (kingston) class 4 and I recomend this one. Its fast, cheap (ebay- just be aware of some cheap replicas). I have also tried this card on my girlfriend`s htc tytn 2 (kaiser) and worked as well. So highly recomend KINGSTON cards.
I have both the 4gb and 8 gb Sandisk micro sd card. I can't tell the difference in speed and am very happy with the 8 gb card! Am thinking of upgrading to the 16 gb for my movies though!
technobe said:
I have both the 4gb and 8 gb Sandisk micro sd card. I can't tell the difference in speed and am very happy with the 8 gb card! Am thinking of upgrading to the 16 gb for my movies though!
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Thanks for the information!!
Let us know your feedback after using 16GB, if things are stable there..... then we might think of switching to 16GB for the obvious reasons...
OK so I've been running many version and builds of android since day one on my tmous hd2. At first it was with the stock 16gb sdcard, (till it got corrupted, LOL) so then I switch to a 2gb I had around. I have only formatted this 2gb card once in the begging and never again.many times I have deleted the android folder and many times I has switch to new builds ( I think I try everyones.latest I been using n very stable JDMS 1.3) n haven't had any issues. Like freezing or SOD. Now two days ago I help my friend with his and his wife's tmous hd2 with the 16gb card. So I did a fresh format fat32 then flash the same rom (ozDroid) and radio I been using for months. It results they are getting freezes and occasionally SOD. So for a test I took my wife's tmous hd2 with 16gb card did the hole setup an guess what the freezing and SOD is the more often..when I don't get any with my sdcard 2gb. Could there be an issue with high capacity cards. And could that be the reason why many tmous have the more problems with freezes and SOD
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I use stock 16gb and dont have those issues.
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this is common knowledge in the IT field. the larger the card, the more slowly it will write and access small files, such as the files needed to run android. take 100 small text files and copy them to a 256 thumb drive, and an 8 gb thumb drive. you can copy them all to the 256mb drive, and delete them all again, before the are all copied to the 8gb thumb drive. the 8 gb drive, will work much faster copying an .avi, or large file than the 256, but it sucks at lots of small files.
but it's good that you're posting your exp here. many people would not know this otherwise, and may stop experimenting with android due to frustration, when all they need is a $10 2gb card from walmart.
another couple tips when dealing with solidstate memory. just like a harddrive, files can become fragmented if you have multiple tasks or file transfers going at the same time. to avoid this, make sure each is done before starting another set of files. next, do not defrag solid state drives. they only have a limited amount of times they can read and write to each sector, and defragging, and excessive copying/deleting, wears down the material, and kills sectors of the drive. and last but not least, watch your battery. just as it says not to attempt an install with less than 50% battery, don't run your phone down to a dead battery when possible. because your booting of the microsd, it's constantly being accessed by read and write functions, and if the battery dies before it finishes writing, you get corrupted files, and you'll have to do your install all over.
No lockup or freeze with 16GB.
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I use stock 16gb and dont have those issues.
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Same here. 16 gb SDHC, no problems.
I haven't noticed any difference between a Class 2 2gb, Class 2 16gb, or a Class 4 8gb - they all run about the same with not noticeable differences in boot time, smoothness, or SODs, even though the class 4 is 2x as fast.
hi guys,
before you post any comment, you can grab a none SDHC card, and do a comparison.
if you have benchmark software, please look at the "access time", the None-SDHC card always faster than the SDHC card. not the speed, but the access time.
after I change to 2GB SD Card, I never meeting any sleep, lag program with any version of roms.
if you don't have none-SDHC card, please do not make any conclusion.
16 gb class 10 kingston sdhc
works great
compaired a class 6 no name 8gb sdhc and the stock 16gb class 2 the class six lags less than the class 2 but the class 10 16 gb kingston is super fast
I am using class 4 8GB and 16GB, no diffrence found.
I can confirm, going from 16gb to 8gb, I've had far less issues with the 8gb card using the same setup. 0 SODs when I'd get them daily with the 16gb card. May or may not have anything or everything to do with it, but I'm sticking with the 8gb card. lol
My experience has been that performance has been about the same whether using a 2 GB SD card or a 16 GB SDHC. However, it seems that my 16 GB card was slower at one point because I had an excessive number of individual files on it. It's a double edge sword because you have all that capacity but the more you use it the slower it seems to run.
I had this issue aswell but I updated my radio to 2.12.xx.xx. and since then I have not seen any performance issue due to the SD card size.
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qingcai said:
hi guys,
before you post any comment, you can grab a none SDHC card, and do a comparison.
if you have benchmark software, please look at the "access time", the None-SDHC card always faster than the SDHC card. not the speed, but the access time.
after I change to 2GB SD Card, I never meeting any sleep, lag program with any version of roms.
if you don't have none-SDHC card, please do not make any conclusion.
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That's very presumptuous of you.
I fixed all of my lag and screen freeze problems with a combination of setCPU settings, ADW launcher settings, and updating my radio rom.
Before I finished doing all of that this morning, I'd get a freeze from wake fairly often. Since then, not a single freeze, and trust me, I've been trying to get it to freeze up.
Believe what you will my friend, but punishing yourself with a 2GB card just seems silly when people are outright telling you that the size isn't the problem.
Good luck either way!
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That's very presumptuous of you.
I fixed all of my lag and screen freeze problems with a combination of setCPU settings, ADW launcher settings, and updating my radio rom.
Before I finished doing all of that this morning, I'd get a freeze from wake fairly often. Since then, not a single freeze, and trust me, I've been trying to get it to freeze up.
Believe what you will my friend, but punishing yourself with a 2GB card just seems silly when people are outright telling you that the size isn't the problem.
Good luck either way!
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Yes ur are right with the new builds and using setting and programs like setcpu or even auto killers will help eliminate this problems. But I I said in the first post was that high capacity cards tend to give u more problems, using my 2gb (I think all the way to 6gb is non high capacity) I have no need for such adjustments to whatever build I use..u can read post 2, is very well explain there.
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My 32GB did worked only one time, after first reboot i cant use android. But 2gb works like a charm
Hello,
I installed Android on my HD2, worked perfectly for 2 weeks. But my microSD was only 2GB, so I buyed a new one.
Kingston class 4 8gb microSD. Putted everything just on the new SD card, didn't changed anything! Formatted it also to FAT32.
Now the problem is that Android is VERY slow with getting out of standby, takes sometimes 10 seconds. I get a black screen for 10 seconds and then Android comes up.
Also starting up Android takes ages and it sometimes just freezes or gives a blue screen.
Has this something to do with Android or is the microSD card broken in a way? I can still move/delete files on the microSD card.
Anyone got at solution?
Thanks
Did you try a different build? Perhaps try Mdeejay rEVOlution build, fastest build i've used so far,very very fast, smooth and stable. Also try updating your radio.
I bet there are several utilities to test the read and write speeds on your microSD card. You'll need a cardreader in your pc to do that, trying it through WM6 won't work because the USB will be the one controlling the max speeds.
I hope this helps a lot of people struggling with the speed of android running off SD.
My suggestion is that the card size, and not just the card speed plays an important part in the speed at which android runs...
My Evidence. I first installed various builds on a variety of Sandisk 2GB and 4GB Class 2 cards. They all ran super fast... I mean no lag at all, ever. It might as well have been a Desire HD. Being that i wanted more space I used my 16GB Sandisk Class 2 that I have been using for WM, reformatted it and installed android. It was cripplingly slow. Unusable in fact. (i tried reformat/reinstall a couple of times before giving up). I then invested in a Class 4 16GB and installed the same build. Not surprisingly this was faster, usable but still not as fast as it was on the 4GB Class 2. I am going to go back the the 4GB card unfortunately until NAND arrives.
Murg
murgers said:
I hope this helps a lot of people struggling with the speed of android running off SD.
My suggestion is that the card size, and not just the card speed plays an important part in the speed at which android runs...
My Evidence. I first installed various builds on a variety of Sandisk 2GB and 4GB Class 2 cards. They all ran super fast... I mean no lag at all, ever. It might as well have been a Desire HD. Being that i wanted more space I used my 16GB Sandisk Class 2 that I have been using for WM, reformatted it and installed android. It was cripplingly slow. Unusable in fact. (i tried reformat/reinstall a couple of times before giving up). I then invested in a Class 4 16GB and installed the same build. Not surprisingly this was faster, usable but still not as fast as it was on the 4GB Class 2. I am going to go back the the 4GB card unfortunately until NAND arrives.
Murg
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Thanks for the reply!
First i'm going to test the Mdeejay rEVOlution build, hopefully it will run smooth and fast. If not, i'm gonna send back my 8GB card and get a new 4GB class 4 card.
At the moment I'm running Froyostone 3.2, works now perfectly with the 2GB microSDcard.
I will post the results.
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My suggestion is that the card size, and not just the card speed plays an important part in the speed at which android runs...
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I totally agree with this, although I cannot figure out why.
I tested with two almost identical cards, both Samsung class 4, one 2Gb, one 8Gb, formatted FAT32 64k clusters via the same memory card reader/pc. The 2Gb one whizzed along with the build I'm running now, the 8Gb one occassionally stuttered and stalled. Seems odd to me, unless fragmentation comes into play maybe?
The only reason I have stuck with the 8Gb is for my music. Oh how I'd love to stick with my 2Gb card for the speed and have a second SD slot for my music.
Which Option Do you prefere ?
NAND
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For T-Mobile USA HD2 (LEO 1024)
Please visit my ICS NAND thread for the installation steps.
NAND with DataOnEXT
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For EU/International HD2 (LEO 512)
Please create a FAT32 primary partition with 32KB cluster size, then an EXT4 primary partition with default cluster size on your SD card.
Please visit DataOnEXT thread for more info.
(I modified DataOnEXT to be able to use with NativeSD at the same time. Share the same data.)
NativeSD (SD-EXT)
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For high speed read/write SD Card only (Class 6 or 10). Otherwise you may get poor performance.
Please create a FAT32 primary partition with 32KB cluster size, then an EXT4 primary partition with default cluster size on your SD card.
Please visit NativeSD thread for more info.
I use NativeSD (SD-EXT), since i have a strong suspicion the NAND memory of my HD2 is corrupt.
I have a class 10 SD and installed Nexus Jellybean. The ROM is running very slow, starting an app (i.e. Facebook) can take up to 1 minute.
Prefer DataOnEXT since my microSDHC card is Class 6. My tests showed that reading from card tends to be faster than Nand, but writing is slower. Also I believe power consumption is lower when working with Nand as opposed to SD, though I haven't looked into this or did any tests to check if this is the case. I allocated all nand memory to /system and would move some of my apps there with the rest being on SDHC. Otherwise this nand memory is left out to be good for nothing.
jvzijp said:
I have a class 10 SD and installed Nexus Jellybean. The ROM is running very slow, starting an app (i.e. Facebook) can take up to 1 minute.
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Because class 10 cards have rubbish random write speed, so arent great for running roms. I have a class 4 that is several orders faster than my class 10 at random r/w and it really shows,, the class 4 out performs the class 10 at nativesd by a lot. Class10,, juddery, lockups, long waits,,, class 4 smooth as silk.
I use NativeSD.Although my card is class4 I think is faster than the nand.
I expect next week card class10.
samsamuel said:
Because class 10 cards have rubbish random write speed, so arent great for running roms. I have a class 4 that is several orders faster than my class 10 at random r/w and it really shows,, the class 4 out performs the class 10 at nativesd by a lot. Class10,, juddery, lockups, long waits,,, class 4 smooth as silk.
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I just installed on a Class 4 and you are absolutely right! It is fast!
menioseten said:
I use NativeSD.Although my card is class4 I think is faster than the nand.
I expect next week card class10.
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Don't install on a Class 10, that is rubbish!
On a Class 10 it is really faster than class 4
class 10 ----> 10 mb read speed
class 4 ---> 4 mb read speed
but this is my opinion for me it is faster
I use NAND with DATA on EXT, 16Gb class 10 micr SD.
It works very smoothly and save battery consumption.
I think NativeSD is the best solution, because no problems with free space and bad blocks, even on a class4.
yozgatdeluxee said:
On a Class 10 it is really faster than class 4
class 10 ----> 10 mb read speed
class 4 ---> 4 mb read speed
but this is my opinion for me it is faster
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thats sequential read/write, , , not random read write.
example, see the two tables of results, post 1, here (a little old, but shows the point)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1150369
for the direct read write, of course class 10 blows the others out of the water, but look at the random read write results, , a class 2 card wins! the first class 10 card doesn't appear till 16th on the list.
class 10 is great for recording video, large files, but rubbish for random small read/writes. The designers trade off random access in favour of sequential access.
A tricked up hot rod is way faster than a fiat punto in a straight line, but a punto would get around london city center way faster than a hot rod.
There ARE fast class 10 cards out there, but they're not as fast as you think for use as nativeSD cards.
I'm fairly sure that some SD cards also aren't compatible with MAGLDR. I just installed PACman to see what's so good about it (some things are vastly improved over NexusHD2 but in terms of certain apparently minor actions such as opening the notifications tray it seems oddly laggy) and when I tried the NativeSD method it was taking ages. The ROM was installing, but so slowly that it probably would have taken over half an hour to complete, so I pulled the battery and switched to a NAND install and everything went smoothly. Normal SD builds also don't work with my Kingston 16GB Class 4 :/
I earlier had SanDisk class 4 sd card.... ran faster than nand... Now on the SanDisk new ultra sd card with 30mbps Write speed. .. The rom is even slightly faster than on class 4
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Nigeldg said:
so slowly that it probably would have taken over half an hour to complete,
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did you choose odexed? because that takes a long time to complete, compared to deodexed.
you're right though, there are many reports about certain cards not playing nice with magldr/hd2 in general.
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did you choose odexed? because that takes a long time to complete, compared to deodexed.
you're right though, there are many reports about certain cards not playing nice with magldr/hd2 in general.
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Nah I left it as deodexed, I saw the progress in the bottom and it was saying 'extracting xxxx.apk' and for each .apk it was taking about 30-40 seconds. When I did it flashing on NAND it was fast enough that at the very least I couldn't read what it was saying there.
jvzijp said:
I use NativeSD (SD-EXT), since i have a strong suspicion the NAND memory of my HD2 is corrupt.
I have a class 10 SD and installed Nexus Jellybean. The ROM is running very slow, starting an app (i.e. Facebook) can take up to 1 minute.
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me too
any apps are very slow... after installation of +40 apps , the ROM has various lags
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samsamuel said:
Because class 10 cards have rubbish random write speed, so arent great for running roms. I have a class 4 that is several orders faster than my class 10 at random r/w and it really shows,, the class 4 out performs the class 10 at nativesd by a lot. Class10,, juddery, lockups, long waits,,, class 4 smooth as silk.
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explain better that concept
the NAtiveSD developpers know that particular ?
I use everything on NAND, because I often change my SD
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I use everything on NAND, because I often change my SD
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hd2EU has little memory nand so it is best nativesd good with 1 sd card
Which SD-Card NativeSD
Hey
finally a thread where I think my question is in the right place:
Which SD-Cards could you advice me to use for NativeSD?
I bought a Transcend 16gb Class 10 and I really don't recommend that. It's laggy and slow-loading and has no advantage to my 2gb Class 4 Sandisk, except the additional 14gb storage.
The descriptions in the different Native-SD-ROM threads make me feel awkward all the time. They always say something like "very fast" or "smooth", but I don't experience that.
So I started looking for a thread with SD-Card experiences and recommendations for native-sd, but didn't find any.
If you could share a link or your favourite SD-Card I would be very happy!
Regards
rubb3ld1ek4tz said:
Hey
finally a thread where I think my question is in the right place:
Which SD-Cards could you advice me to use for NativeSD?
I bought a Transcend 16gb Class 10 and I really don't recommend that. It's laggy and slow-loading and has no advantage to my 2gb Class 4 Sandisk, except the additional 14gb storage.
The descriptions in the different Native-SD-ROM threads make me feel awkward all the time. They always say something like "very fast" or "smooth", but I don't experience that.
So I started looking for a thread with SD-Card experiences and recommendations for native-sd, but didn't find any.
If you could share a link or your favourite SD-Card I would be very happy!
Regards
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Samsung or Sandisk 16 GB Class 10 best card´s ever
microSD Experiments - not very scientific
yozgatdeluxee said:
Samsung or Sandisk 16 GB Class 10 best card´s ever
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Hi - I felt I had to enter this thread having experienced problems on NativeSD. I've been running tytungs JB on NativeSD for a couple of weeks. I have it on a Verbatim Class 10 8Gb - and there is frequent lag when opening apps. I also get odd FC's and Wifi crashes. I had put this down to the JB ROM pushing the HD2 beyond its performance threshold.
After reading this thread I have tried a new Verbatim Class 10 with tytungs GB3.3a on NativeSD. I have a direct comparison here - I also have the same ROM on my HD2 NAND. The ROM runs sweetly on NAND, but experiences some lag (mainly opening apps) on NativeSD. I will try a Class 4 Sandisk next week to check the difference.
Initially, it looks like the choice of microSD card is critical.
Whats going on here? And SD card I have tried is to slow. OK I had class 6 etc so I understand that, but went out today and bought a Samsung EVO 48MB/S UHS-I Class 10 and guess what? Its still to slow
the write speed on that card will be really slow 10MB/s maybe, you need a U3 card if you want fast writes as well as reads.
TBH i have put bog standard class 10 cards in my kids second gen Moto Gs as adopted storage and they've not moaned about the phones going slow at all.
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Whats going on here? And SD card I have tried is to slow. OK I had class 6 etc so I understand that, but went out today and bought a Samsung EVO 48MB/S UHS-I Class 10 and guess what? Its still to slow
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What do you mean with to slow? You mean its not suited to use as internal memory or just slow when browsing your sdcard files?
Marshmallow tells you if it is too slow or not when you use adopted storage, i have seen the same message for U3 cards though so i personally just ignore it and crack on.
Wrong article.
Problem might not be the card but the phone memory controller itself could be a bit slow
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