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Please post your questions in the "q&a" thread.
Please post your guides/roms/mods/kernels/contributions for the Evo in the "Development" thread.
Please post your general talk, sometimes questions/discussions in the "general" thread.
Please post your theme and apps releated posts in the "themes and apps" thread.
Please post your accessories (covers, screen protectors, etc...) in the "accessories thread.
I dont own an Evo yet, but im not new to android. I come here for a friend that is very new to android and I like to help. I understand this is a new phone so many people are flocking to it. But I honestly cant believe how many people are posting things in random places. The development thread looks like the general section. Its hard to even find what im looking for.
I know many mods are on it. But the rules of this site (stating what i said above in a professional manner) need to be stickied on all 5 threads for the time being. Hoping it cuts down on useless threads and cluttering of (personal opinion) the development thread.
I was going to post this in the dev thread, hoping people would read it. But i figured it would be hypocritical since this inst dev related.
Second post on the same topic.
No offence, but I'll stick the other one .
Dave
And now, a word from your friendly neighbourhood moderators!
As you may know some of our Android device forums are a bit "messy", with your help, let's see if we can keep the i9000 forums clean! This is a bit of an experiment, to see if posts like these help at all. Most of the following is simple common sense, and for most of you it will hopefully bring nothing new.
Moderators
The official i9000 forums moderator is Sirphunkee. I, Chainfire will also be hanging around here quite a bit.
Rules
Please consult the forum rules before posting, they can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=263#post81
Additions
The rules should be clear enough, however I will repeat some points for emphasis and post some additions here as well.
Use the search
This speaks for itself, though many still don't use it.
Check the i9000 FAQ before posting
It can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=723596
Don't post in the android development section ...
... unless you are absolutely sure it belongs there! The developers / hackers are trying to work, don't bother them with things that do not belong there.
When in doubt, post in the general section. If it's a question, post in the Q&A section
If you're not sure, it probably should NOT go into the android development section.
Treat eachother with respect
No flaming, no personal attacks, be nice, behave, show respect. While you may be responding to somebody who has asked a question you might find dumb, or he didn't use the search, or whatever reason you think you may have, it is never ever warranted to be flaming anyone, and it simply will not be tolerated.
Ignore flames, personal attacks, etc
If these should occur, do not respond to them! Especially when they are directed at you, this is hard to do and you want to defend yourself. Suppres this urge! Responding to these is "feeding the troll", and only serves to bring a thread further off-topic and make it much harder for us moderators to clean up the mess. Responding to these posts makes you part of the problem, and doesn't help anyone. See below for how to report these to have a moderator look at it, and if needed, remove it. Don't let the trolls win!
Saying thank you
This forum does not come with a "thank you" button like some other forums do. While for example if you post a question and others help you out, saying "thank you" is nice, in many development threads saying thank you only serves to clutter to thread. Please do not post a comment saying nothing more than "thank you" in these threads - instead perhaps consider giving the developer a small donation to show your appreciation, give the thread a 5-star rating, or help out in some other way (like assisting others with their problems).
Helping out
There are many of you, and only a few of us moderators. Like you, we are mere humans, we are not paid for being here, and our time is limited - we cannot read every post of every thread. The first few things you can do to help out is behave, assist others, follow the rules, and make sure you are not the (negative) reason that we need to look at a thread or post. But there's more you can do to be of assistance:
Reporting posts
Each post has a "report" button associated with it, found at the top-right of the post. It a triangle with an exclamation mark inside of it, and hard to miss. Clicking it will give you a box you can use to add a comment, and then the post in question will be brought to the attention of the moderators. Be short and precise when writing the comment. While your biography is undoubtedly an interesting thing to read, it has no place in that comment box Please verify that the post is actually against the rules of XDA (see link at the top of this post) before reporting a post. The additions I have posted here, unless they are also present in the XDA rules, are not enforced by other moderators.
Posts in the wrong section
I see a lot of comments on threads that they are in the wrong section. Please handle these threads in the following way:
Check that nobody else has already posted that the thread is in the wrong section. Do not clutter the thread with notices about how the thread starter is in the wrong place, one notice is enough!
If you're the first, post that the thread should have been (for example) in the general or Q&A section instead of the android development section, in a kind and respectful way, and ...
report the post, putting something like "not development, please move to general" in the comment box.
Flames, personal attacks, (severe) disrespect
Even though these are against the rules, they will still happen. As stated above, it is generally not a good idea to respond to them. However, depending on how offensive they are, you might wish to report them for moderator attention. Do so in the following way:
Check that nobody else has already posted that he reported the post. Do not clutter the thread with notices, responses to a flame, etc. One notice is enough!
If you appear to be the first, you might want to post that you have reported said post (without quoting it!), and ...
check if others have quoted the flame, personal attack, etc in their replies, and ...
report the post, putting something like "flame, has been quoted / responded to by others". This makes our job faster to do!
Violations of other rules
These will happen. Again, check if others have already (kindly and respectfully) notified the poster that his behaviour is against the rules. You might want to report such a violation, but please take a moment to think about it, and do not go on a "reporting spree". Is the violation really so severe that it needs to be "handled" by moderators ? Does a moderator really need to warn this user about his behaviour ? Does the post really need to be modified by a moderator ? For example, for some light verbal abuse / explicit language, you might just want to (kindly) ask the user to tone his language down a bit and/or edit his own post, instead of turning to a moderator.
Don't go on a reporting spree
As stated above, think hard about reporting a post before you do it. For example, don't go to android development section and report threads from page 3 to be in the wrong area. The thread is likely already dead, and requesting to have it moved is a waste of both your and our time. Use common sense!
Other
The "star rating" system is not useless
You can rate a thread with up to 5 stars. Please use this ability, it makes it easy to spot high quality and low quality threads for others browsing these forums.
Don't PM myself or Sirphunkee unless you really have to
We get enough PM's as it is. Most things can be resolved without sending us a PM personally. For example by reporting a post, or posting in this thread here.
Need more empty posts at the top of your thread ?
It is not uncommon that you have ran out of space in the first post of your thread (especially with "release" threads). Feel free to request additional "first posts" for your thread by posting in this thread here.
Do you really think a certain thread should (or should no longer) be a sticky ?
Again, feel free to post that here in this thread. Obviously, do not request your own threads to be stickied. If it is worthy, others will request it for you.
Anything you would like to add or request ?
Feel free to post it in here, but please remain on-topic.
The end!
Hopefully this will have a positive effect and is generally helpful, if not, I'll just remove this thread again.
I will try to keep up with the posts in here !
Thank you! I appreciate you putting time into keep our little patch of XDA in shape.
Thanks for your time!
it was about time we got some one official in here
Thank you moderators, for sacrificing your personal time to make this forum more enjoyable.
This is an excellent thread and it was about time to put things in order!
My congratulations guys!
Since there is an option for requests here..I would like to request consideration for this petition:
[Q] Proposal to merge all Galaxy S family into 1 neat and big sub forum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=764084
Аnd there are already 270+ members up for merging.
Will moderators consider it?
That's an admin decision, not a moderator decision.
Oh, ok, sorry
Did the admins take final decision whether to merge or not?
And are they aware of the situation?
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Oh, ok, sorry
Did the admins take final decision whether to merge or not?
And are they aware of the situation?
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Yes, the discussion about this is ongoing at the moment. The admins and mods are discussing the best way to handle the organizing of all the Galaxy forum sections, and will likely come to some decision shortly. We're looking at the proposal in AllGamer's poll (see the sticky at the top of this section) as a possible solution, and I'm sure we'll post whatever the final decision is somewhere in each of the current sections (this one included) to make sure all members who need to know are aware.
sirphunkee , thank you for your reply and your work
All Galaxy S owners are looking forward to solving this problem
Modified the first post a bit to reference Q&A section. Q&A has been here for a while but I was on vacation
I see lots of great work from moderation lately!
This forum felt little 'undermoderated' until now, but your effort in past hours to keep this place up just cant be missed!
Thank you!
Thanks guys for all you do, got my SGS 9 days ago; was fearful of rooting; found one click lag fix, dove right in; you guys are awesome!!!! thank you!! thank you!!! thank you!!!
Well, not replying to anything in particular and nothing really special enough to warrant a new topic and since this is the most "general" Galaxy S topic I thought I'd share it here.
Swiping my Galaxy S along the the left side of the laptop (keyboard) area puts my Macbook Pro to sleep (around the FN key). Only when the Galaxy S is unlocked and screen, just a weird occurrence I thought I'd share. Tried it on a few other Macbook Pros, same result. Looked around a bit, apparently magnet does this but I'm thinking something else. Interesting nonetheless.
useful topic
Indeed usefull topic!
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hi
hi you all i am new here
Noted with the rules...
okej good to know
We need either more moderators or some people with more time on their hands. No offense to any current moderators of the Droid 2 section or anything, but this place is ridiculously cluttered and unorganized. People asking questions in development or the theme/app section should be posted in the general chat or within the same topic of the subject of their question. People in the development section posting multiple topics every time they update their ROM, the amount of topics and confusion could easily be cut down tremendously. If you go to any other phones development section on XDA, you see that everyone just updates their first post. Don't worry about your post count or people not noticing that you've updated, they will notice it.
Figured I should post this, because there are a ton of unneeded and misplaced posts.
For reference...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=731652
I know who the current moderator is, but he isn't taking care of our section. It needs to be cleaned, hence the nature of my topic.
I'm also not trying to attack him/her in anyway, as you can tell from the link you posted they oversee A LOT of sections, and that's a lot of work for one person.
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I know who the current moderator is, but he isn't taking care of our section. It needs to be cleaned, hence the nature of my topic.
I'm also not trying to attack him/her in anyway, as you can tell from the link you posted they oversee A LOT of sections, and that's a lot of work for one person.
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That wasn't meant just for you, not everyone knows how to find that info.
You should probably PM Captainkrtek to start with. That seems like the politic thing to do.
Hey there,
I, like many of you, am sick and tired of people not understanding simple concepts about the Development section of the forums. I seem to have come up with a solution that will allow devs to speak freely and easily and at the same time keep us informed of their progress to stop all the bs comments that I've been seeing.
I would love to say wipe the dev thread and start again, but I know that would be inconvenient for any mod or dev to do and so step one is to start a new sub-forum with a specific set of permissions. Remember that Verified Developers rank or whatever it was that xda opened registrations for not too long ago? My suggestion is make sure that only verified developers can post in this new subforum (called something like Atrix 4G Developers Chat) but allow all users to view it and click the thanks button (I will get to this in a second)
By creating a new forum It will allow;
Devs to release their latest inventions without all the spam
Devs to help each other without all the spam
All users will still be able to thank their favourite devs but CLICKING THE THANKS BUTTON
No-one will be pressuring the devs for an ETA on a release or update as they won't be able too, sure they can still start topics in the Q&A or general, but at least now it won't fill the release threads with crap.
Normal users will still be able to get in contact with devs if they have a suggestion or feedback (about bugs/problems not spam) via private messages, the freenode IRC or in the Q&A or general forums.
This is just a suggestion that I came up with quite a while ago but remembered last night when I was browsing xda on my phone and couldn't believe how many times I had to stop myself from posting more offtopic posts just to combat the already offtopic posts put there by others.
If you like this idea, please post your feedback here even if it is as simple as a +1 10char10char reply and hopefully this gets picked up and implemented if many users like it.
The way I see it the Dev can post the "meat and butter" in the Dev only forum and he or someone else can post a "feedback" thread in a more appropriate forum. This allows everyone to post what they want in response to the Dev and still have the real information in the Dev forum. The Dev, or another Dev could transcribe what is relevant to the Dev discussion.
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The way I see it the Dev can post the "meat and butter" in the Dev only forum and he or someone else can post a "feedback" thread in a more appropriate forum. This allows everyone to post what they want in response to the Dev and still have the real information in the Dev forum. The Dev, or another Dev could transcribe what is relevant to the Dev discussion.
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Kind of like Sogarth's latest post. It will work out wonderfully and people can still post "lol, whens it coming out dQQd? zomg thanks!" without cluttering his -real- post.
yea kinda like that but officially implemented.. I assume the same idea could be implemented to many phones not just the Atrix forum.
I don't know. The problem are the bad posts, not the place where they're posted. If the hypothetical dev doesn't care about feedback, he wouldn't read the responses anyway. If he does, he would have to go through the same bad posts, only that now it's in General.
I'd prefer a solution i've seen in other fora, in which users can upvote or downvote individual posts. Any post that gets downvoted too much gets buried, along with any quotes referring that post. It also gets automatically deleted after being buried for some time. We have a great community here, and i'm sure it would work quite well. A checkbox "show/hide buried threads" (where the OP got downvoted) would clean up silly questions in the dev forum.
The only catch is that it might require rewriting of the forum code.
^ upvote that idea - and adopting the idea early.
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I don't know. The problem are the bad posts, not the place where they're posted. If the hypothetical dev doesn't care about feedback, he wouldn't read the responses anyway. If he does, he would have to go through the same bad posts, only that now it's in General.
I'd prefer a solution i've seen in other fora, in which users can upvote or downvote individual posts. Any post that gets downvoted too much gets buried, along with any quotes referring that post. It also gets automatically deleted after being buried for some time. We have a great community here, and i'm sure it would work quite well. A checkbox "show/hide buried threads" (where the OP got downvoted) would clean up silly questions in the dev forum.
The only catch is that it might require rewriting of the forum code.
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I Agree... is there any VBulletin plugin to do that? I guess it is..
Fifow said:
I don't know. The problem are the bad posts, not the place where they're posted. If the hypothetical dev doesn't care about feedback, he wouldn't read the responses anyway. If he does, he would have to go through the same bad posts, only that now it's in General.
I'd prefer a solution i've seen in other fora, in which users can upvote or downvote individual posts. Any post that gets downvoted too much gets buried, along with any quotes referring that post. It also gets automatically deleted after being buried for some time. We have a great community here, and i'm sure it would work quite well. A checkbox "show/hide buried threads" (where the OP got downvoted) would clean up silly questions in the dev forum.
The only catch is that it might require rewriting of the forum code.
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I'd upvote this post!
Basically you're talking like the comments on Slashdot or StackExchange, right? I think that would be slick, although it would be a huge shift I think.
It looks like something like this might fit the bill.
Dislike Posts: Allows users to dislike a post. Great for situations where someone is spamming, posting ridiculous content etc.
Auto Collapse Disliked Post: Collapses a post so it doesnt show up by default when the number of Dislikes outnumber likes by 'X'
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Some days I'd kill for a "dislike" button that would downvote and hide posts.
I don't think this is fair. I can understand creating your own posts on those forums, but why prevent people who can add insight to problems or have a solution no be able to post a reply to any dev post? I'm sorry, I think is not fair.
so instead of writing 10 meaningful posts you decide to ***** instead? its fair! you know why its fair? because people come on this forum and dont know how to use the search button and then they post irrelevant stuff in places that it doesnt belong to--like the dev setion. say this person wants to root their device. a typical nooob will just scan the first page of the forum and if they dont see what they want there, guess what they'll do? they will post a question. if there were no limit then 90% of those posts would end up in the dev section. obviously 10 posts is not enough. i mean just look in the section for urself. Majority of the irrelevant posts have ben cleaned up but still! idk how many times i have seen "how do i root?" in that section. I am not saying every new poster is like this, but majority of them are. look how bad it is now with a minimum, imagine if there weren't a minimum! 10 posts is fair. it should be 20!
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For me its a Catch 22. I've had plenty of times where I might have something meaningful to say in a dev thread, but then I hit this and go try and find threads in the regular forum that I can add to. Usually I don't find any that I can actually add anything new and give up after 5 minutes, as I have real work to do.
Oh well...
so.... can we post 10x here instead?
salacc said:
so.... can we post 10x here instead?
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Good question
I think the limit should be 25 posts before they can make a thread in the Dev section. The limitation on requiring 10 posts to reply to the dev section threads don't make sense as they might have a question. But yeah, newbies to the forums should be limited in making new threads in the dev section so stuff like "How do I root" doesn't push all the useful threads into the second page.
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I think the limit should be 25 posts before they can make a thread in the Dev section. The limitation on requiring 10 posts to reply to the dev section threads don't make sense as they might have a question. But yeah, newbies to the forums should be limited in making new threads in the dev section so stuff like "How do I root" doesn't push all the useful threads into the second page.
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I agree with 25 to start a new thread in the DEV sections.
Also shouldn't be any limitation to reply as that's just silly.
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I think the limit should be 25 posts before they can make a thread in the Dev section. The limitation on requiring 10 posts to reply to the dev section threads don't make sense as they might have a question. But yeah, newbies to the forums should be limited in making new threads in the dev section so stuff like "How do I root" doesn't push all the useful threads into the second page.
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I like this idea too! Yes replying is ok but making a post is a different story.
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lots of stuff in the dev posts require reading and comprehending, if you cant do a simple thing like that you probably shouldnt be trying to root your device or chilling in the dev section.....i mean jeez people post guides in the dev section for a reason....
i kinda understand the 10 post thing, but to me too, it's rather troubling, as they might be something that i wanna ask on the dev forum too at times, but notice i cant cos of my post counts
I don't like it either but it's the rules.
As a N00b - I understand
I'm really new to XDA and I've run into this to...
On the up side the 10 post rule has saved me from getting flamed for saying something stupid.
As a noob I have been lurking and reading posts for months learning to root and flash my HD2 and transformer. It takes ages to get your head around all the terminology and start to have constructive things to add!
I will bide my time until i have the skills to contribute to the community in a meaningful way - til then the best i can do is click the donate button for the Devs.
Any suggestions on good threads to use to level up my droid skills always appreciated!
FYI-the 10 post min was implemented for spammers.
Unfortunately, there are cases where it's a hassle for users with knowledge
FYI AGAIN- You do realize you posted in the wrong forum
This should be in XDA-General or pff-topic
I totally understand and agree with the 10 post requirement.
Too many times I've seen replies like this...
"Sorry if this has been answered before but I haven't read all 50 pages" and then they ask something that of course has been answered a hundred times.
There are also a lot of times that I wanted to help someone in the dev forum but I didn't have 10 posts, but that's ok, because chances are someone else can help soon because threads are usually very active, which is why a noob doesn't want to read it in the first place.
Anyone who wants to help out on the forum can easily find a way to get 10 posts without spamming and actually join the community.
In my opinion, the 10 posts does a lot to help keep the boards clean, as least, cleaner than it would be without it.
People who aren't willing to read and find 10 threads to reply to, and attempt to be part of the community, may not even stick around past asking their question that has been answered before.
Because the majority of the time the same question has been asked over and over again and new forum members are often too stupid to use the search function.
Could you imagine the FLOOD of posts that would be added without the 10 post rule? It's hard enough to find anything *DEVELOPMENT* related in the development forums even with the 10 post rule. Already 85% is about HOWTO not about bugs, development, etc...
Not complaining, hey were all human (not quite androids yet), just saying that I wouldn't want to have to wade through an additional 40 posts a day from people who haven't bothered reading at all...
I'm sorry ,but it seems many of you read the question that I wrote and assumed something completely different.
1) I asked why can't I reply to a post on the Dev forums. You did not hear me state why can't I create a post in the Dev forums. Those are completely different statements and they are not one and the same.
2) As to the fact that a lot of newbs ask the same question a zillion other newbs have asked in these forums. The fact is if you don't know how to read the rules in the first sticky post on any forum then yes you are stupid for not seen the search tools above the page. Furthermore is for this exact reason why I asked the question. Why do I want to spam these forums with useless posts about things I can get from other posts or just Google it? Like many Devs state while rooting your device, you need a couple of things, patience and a little gray matter. So sure I'll go ahead and be the stupid newb that creates idiotic posts just so that he can reach the 10 mark and then post or comment on something useful for a change.
3) Rules are rules and sometimes when people ask if they could be bent they can't and sometimes they can. That is the point of asking the question. If you consider me a troll, a newb, a dweeb or any other lame names then sure have your fun at my expense. I'm certainly more adult then you for asking the question instead of s this and f that. You didn't see that in my post.
4) mike1022, since you are a moderator and know more about what should be posted where I will next time try to post in the appropriate forum. I have a TF101 that I have rooted with the help of many great Devs in the Devs forum and since this was the general posting forum for TF owners I thought it was the appropriate place. My apologies if I made a mistake.
To the few of you who provided constructive criticism, I thank you for for taking the time and effort.
I understand
I understand the need to post 10 times before being to reply in some forums, I'm sure this cuts down on a lot of unnecessary posts. I would really like to help out, but I will attempt to follow the rules and post 10 times so i can post in there
For example, I saw someone post a unix script in the fre3vo thread for Sensation. Then someone asked what about windows. I had already copied his script and converted it to a .bat and tested it on my phone. I would love to post there for them to use, however, I need to get my 10 posts out of the way first.
Here's the zip I would like to post in that thread (contains both unix and windows script). I can script the fre3vo temp root steps in front of it too.
For windows, set up the temp root using the fre3vo steps then run script.bat
EDIT1: grrr, apparently it only works for a few minutes, and simply rerunning it doesn't fix it again. Also, the .bat file i put in there could use some cleaning up...
EDIT2: And before anyone says anything, yes, I am a newb to android, last Saturday was the first time I even touched an android device. Feel free to flame me.
EDIT3: I just noticed this is in the Eee Pad forum, I just did a search for "10 posts before reply." Sorry for posting in the wrong area.
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And before anyone says anything, yes, I am a newb to android, last Saturday was the first time I even touched an android device. Feel free to flame me.
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Welcome but remember google & the search function are your friends.
I have found that you can always send a personal message instead, does not help the group but at least you get a reply