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[Q] Syncing apps to multiple devices

I just bought a Xoom tablet and so far love it. I also own an Inspire 4G which is rooted and has many apps installed. I noticed soon after first sync that the apps from my phone are now on my tablet. I assume they are they apps listed in the Market which is ok except that it seems that they are "small screen" versions if there is such a thing. Is there a way to block or stop syncing to certain devices while allowing others? Am I clear whith this question? Do large format apps exist? Will the market auto download the correct version of the app depending on the device?
Just started to get up to speed with Android on my inspire, now comes another learning curve!!!!
Thanks in advance.

For most apps, there is only one version which the author can update to include our tablet (16:10) format. It's not that "small" versions are being downloaded, it's just that the version doesn't yet take full advantage of the extra screen size on our tablets. It's worth searching though, because some apps may have a larger (or tablet-specific) version abailable. Or, you may find another developer has a similar app optimized for the tablet. But, for the most part, the apps come in one flavor and as the author has time (or need), they can/will update the app for Honeycomb support.
Hope this helps to answer at least part of your question...not sure about stopping the process once it has started. I know that the first time you setup your account on some android devices, they will start downloading any apps you have in your library. My Xoom didn't though... Probably because I canceled the initial setup purposely then did it manually later. Doing it manually will bypass the app download as I recall.

As always... Great support on this community driven site!!! Thanks.
I suppose I will next look to perhaps rooting, although, as yet I see little need. Haven't noticed the bloatware that so burdened my Inspire4G.

I think there is also a "compatibility" setting on the Xoom that you can uncheck...in Applications??? that will allow the apps to show full screen, though they may be jaggy. Search for it...it might work for some of your "Must Have" apps=win!
Also, the market should show you a tablet specific selection of apps.
Good luck.

Profiles and paid apps... And now what?

Let's think a common situation with the N10:
I have a lot of paid apps attached to my gmail account. The first thing I will do with the N10 is create 3 different profiles. Mine, my wife and my daughter. Every one with their own gmail account.
I have read that when one user gets an app from google play that is already installed by other it won't be downloaded again, and that's fine. But what happens with paid apps?
I'm pretty sure another user with other gmail account won't have access to bought apps by a different person in Google Play....
The situation I will face will be very common. I have bought several apps for my daughter (I have an Asus TF101) and I'd like to see them in her profile in the N10.
The only solution I can guess is to add my gmail account as a secondary one in her profile, but to keep things separated won't be a reality.
What do you think?

If it's the same as the n7 I think any users can use the same paid apps on that device, whether they bought it too or not. Much like a pc.
Unless they've changed this it worked with the hack to enable multiple accounts that was embedded in jb before.
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skibadee said:
If it's the same as the n7 I think any users can use the same paid apps on that device, whether they bought it too or not. Much like a pc.
Unless they've changed this it worked with the hack to enable multiple accounts that was embedded in jb before.
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That's good news. Let's hope the final version works that way.

That's why I have been purchasing my apps with a seperate family account for a while now. It only has the app licenses and some shared calendar items, which are thus available on my wifes phone and mine. And of course will be on the Nexus 10 on any family profile.

you are talking about several separate things here.
it was stated, that apps that are already installed on the device, but under a different user account, will be available instantly, and do not require to be downloaded again.
that is true, in the android developers office hours emea edition yesterday and last week, this was confirmed. however, it was not clearly stated, what the space requirements are in such a case. obviously, the apk itself must be stored on the device at least once. since all user settings are individual, the shared preferences files will be present twice and all apps that require external data, such as game data on the sd card, must be updated, to not store this data twice. the last point goes especially for apps with expansion apks on the play store, whether apps with data downloads from 3rd party servers (like rockstar games etc.) will work with this model, time will tell.
the way this entire system works, is through encryption and file system permissions.
even the same folder on the sd card, say /sdcard/Music/ can look differently to different users.
Also, up to now, this has not been tested with devices with external sd cards (for obvious reasons) and only works on ext4 file systems.
The licensing question is entirely different from that. the play store, while being able to check a lot of things about you and your device, primarily looks at your google account when you are looking for an app, and the app licenses you buy always are registered to your account (i.e. you as a person), as opposed to your device, which is great, if you are one person with several devices. mixing this system with per device licenses would create a massive issue, as people could just willy nilly create legit play store licenses for apps by adding friends' user accounts on their device with paid apps and the apps would be licensed for the friends as well (again, including all their devices).
of course the same goes for any other play store purchases as well (movies, music, books, in-app purchases etc.)
this has not officially been stated by the android developers office hours, but it only makes sense this way, again, as mixing per-user licensing with per-device licensing would open a hell-hole of piracy.
so, considering, what google officially stated about these things, i would not count on the feature being anywhere similar to the existing multi-user feature of 4.1. if it had been ready and perfected at the time, it would have been published in that state, but after another half a year of work, i expect it to have changed, much like the rest of the os.
if you want all of this information directly from google and in even lengthier explanations, check out the office hours:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IeU_sQzl3U&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z92fwFQntG8&feature=plcp

I am willing to bet that the shared APK system is based on the Play Store and might even only work when installed from there. In that case, in order to have an app available on another profile, you would need to "download" it from the store, only that it just registers it as visible somehow. That would require the corresponding google account on every profile using the app.
When it comes to additional files, I guess the "official way" introduced a while back with the two additional archives will be handled just fine, as it is done by the system itself. When the app downloads those themself, we will have to wait and see like you said. The same goes for other files - will I be aple to see e.g. the photos from other profiles? If not by default, can you manage the access rights? Devices with SD cards might prove quite interesting here, but they may as well be handled the simple way: if you use that storage, it is open for all.
However that turns out to work, multi-user will broaden the versatility of tablets, even if some scenarios don't work out as they might be wished or expected.
What I didn't get from your post - are you accusing me of abusing the multi-device functionality? If so, I don't feel ashamed of sharing paid apps with my wife (for now) and children (later on when they get smartphones). We also do not buy separate DVDs for each viewer or multiple instances of books.
Sharing a google account with paid apps with a multitude of friends as you described however could prove quite problematic. Who gets to register his credit card? Who decides which apps are bought? I guess it would be much easier to find a cracked version if unwilling to pay.

no no, i was not accusing you.
i was just presenting the official google standpoint of licensing and that with a per-device licensing in combination with a device with multiple users, it would be possible to create free licenses illegally.
let me elaborate on that, because i meant it entirely different from your last paragraph:
let's say, i have a nexus 10 and have bought a paid app with my account. if that meant, every user on my tablet would inherit an own license from this one purchase, i could theoretically have friends coming over all day, logging into my tablet with their account, and immediately have the right to this paid app (and all my paid apps) as well, so it would be licensed to their account and they could install it on their phones as well. that way, you could create an infinite account of pseudo-legit licenses for apps or generally all play store content. this is the reason, why i think it is impossible that google would use the per-device licensing all of a sudden.
actually, i forgot to mention, your model with a combined family account is actually a good way around such issues.
i am sure, many couples or entire families use this method and it is perfectly fine. at least, the app purchase is legit. sharing one account with two people, especially in this case on one device is something completely different from the fraudulent model i was talking about before.
my entire earlier post was about the question in the op, whether one paid app can be used from multiple accounts and again, technically, legally and morally, no.
i agree with your dvd example, translating that to apps, one account on multiple devices allows multiple app installations and whether both devices are operated by the same person or a couple does not matter.
long story short:
the only difference in the play store experience is that apps that are already installed don't have to be downloaded again (to save time), but the play store will still feel exactly the same, i.e. requiring a purchase for an app, that has not been bought with that account yet.

Chef_Tony said:
no no, i was not accusing you.
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I was just asking to prevent misunderstanding.
i could theoretically have friends coming over all day, logging into my tablet with their account, and immediately have the right to this paid app (and all my paid apps) as well, so it would be licensed to their account and they could install it on their phones as well.
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Even if you could just use any app installed by any profile (which as I described above is not the way I assume it will happen), at what point does that enable them to download the app to their devices? That would require them to have your profile (with your account details) on their devices.

PlanetJumble said:
Even if you could just use any app installed by any profile (which as I described above is not the way I assume it will happen), at what point does that enable them to download the app to their devices? That would require them to have your profile (with your account details) on their devices.
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no it wouldn't require them to have your profile in this hypothetical story, here is the thing, as i understood the first couple of posts in this thread, this would be a possible scenario (but isn't):
User A has a phone, let's say a Gnex and a google account [email protected]
User B has a phone, let's say an S3 and a google account [email protected]
User A buys a Nexus 10.
User A logs in and has access to all the same paid apps as on the Gnex.
User B logs in and has access to all the same paid apps as on the S3.
User A installs a free app on the Nexus 10.
User B installs the same free app on the Nexus 10. it does not require another download, it is just there.
(so far, so good, all true, could happen)
User A buys an app from the play store on the Nexus 10.
User B looks at the same app on the play store on the Nexus 10.
(here comes the initial question: will he get this app for free, since it is already installed on the device?)
Situation 1:
User B gets the app for free on the Nexus10, since it is already present on the device, it does not even need to be installed again, it is just there.
User B looks in the play store, the app should now be listed in "My Apps", since it was installed on the device with the account [email protected]
User B gets his S3 and has the same app displayed as purchased on the play store, since he once was able to legitimately install it from his account (on the Nexus 10), which makes it his app on all his devices.
User B installs the paid app on his S3 for free, since it is present on his account.
User B's account gets removed from the Nexus 10.
Rinse and repeat through User Z. 25 free licenses, that can be replicated to all of the users' devices since they get the app transferred to their accounts if they once inherited it on the Nexus 10.
Situation 2:
User A looks at the app on the play store, it costs .99$. He buys it and installs it.
User B looks at the app on the play store, sees it costs him .99$
User B buys the app.
The app gets installed instantly, as it is already present on the device.
All I wanted to say with my two previous 2 posts is:
Situation 1 is never going to happen. Situation 2 is how it's going to be. If User A and User B are 2 separate Google Accounts on the same tablet, they need to buy apps twice.
People tend to confuse the instant install feature with an ability to share apps or transfer apps between accounts, but all it does is save you time and internet traffic. it does not influence paid apps at all. also, apparently, the half implemented multi-user feature in 4.1 gave wrong impressions as well.
P.S. i actually think, we were on the same page all along, just had different approaches to give examples of the situations.

Chef_Tony said:
P.S. i actually think, we were on the same page all along, just had different approaches to give examples of the situations.
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I think so too, and I fully expect to skip the second payment with each profile having the personal and the shared family account.

Exactly. For 2 persons you make 3 accounts. One shared account for paid apps that both use, so you'd just need to purchase them once and 2 individual accounts for the two persons to have their personal email and other individual settings and files.
That seems to be the ideal solution. A week from now, we'll know exactly, how the separation works.
Can't wait to have the device here.
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Chef_Tony said:
Situation 1:
User B gets the app for free on the Nexus10, since it is already present on the device, it does not even need to be installed again, it is just there.
User B looks in the play store, the app should now be listed in "My Apps", since it was installed on the device with the account [email protected]
User B gets his S3 and has the same app displayed as purchased on the play store, since he once was able to legitimately install it from his account (on the Nexus 10), which makes it his app on all his devices.
User B installs the paid app on his S3 for free, since it is present on his account.
User B's account gets removed from the Nexus 10.
Rinse and repeat through User Z. 25 free licenses, that can be replicated to all of the users' devices since they get the app transferred to their accounts if they once inherited it on the Nexus 10.
Situation 2:
User A looks at the app on the play store, it costs .99$. He buys it and installs it.
User B looks at the app on the play store, sees it costs him .99$
User B buys the app.
The app gets installed instantly, as it is already present on the device.
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I don't see why it has to be only one of those two options. Why not this:
Situation 3:
User A buys and installs a $0.99 app on the play store.
User B Looks at the same app and Play store is smart enough to check that the app is already installed on the device and allows him access to it on this device but does NOT update his account information to say that he has purchased the app.
User B Looks at the same app on his phone, and it still shows up as costing $0.99.
Not saying that's definitely the way it will work, but that's the way I'd prefer it. That would allow a parent to buy and install apps for his children that they have access to on their profiles, without having to associate his own account and credit card information with his children's profiles, opening up the possibility for them to make purchases without his approval.
Another question I have about multi-profile access to apps is this: I keep hearing that the second user to install an app will not have to download it again. That's certainly nice for ease/speed of access to the new app, but it doesn't answer the question of how the app is stored on the device. Is there just one copy of the apk that all users can access? Or does the system make a copy of the apk for each profile that installs it, thus using up more storage space?

Profiles are just profiles under one GMail account I'd imagine, and not a completely separate and independent accounts.

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Profiles are just profiles under one GMail account I'd imagine, and not a completely separate and independent accounts.
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Nah, that doesn't make sense, you don't want to be sharing an email account or whatever, it will be a separate (optional) account per profile.
As for the app purchase crappy, who cares, get titanium backup, use its profile switch option which works on all android versions to swap out apply and game data so multiple people can use them on the same device.
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You don't seriously say using titanium is easier than native integration?
@je55ter only a few more days and we will know for sure.

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Profiles are just profiles under one GMail account I'd imagine, and not a completely separate and independent accounts.
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that is definetely not the case as one can see in all available hands on videos so far, the profiles are different google accounts, which will then automatically give you access to all your google content. have a look at the videos, like the first video from the verge, the demo device clearly has hugo barra's account on it, as indicated by his google+ avatar on the lockscreen. it was also confirmed that these profiles will fetch all kinds of information from the corresponding google account, so it must be multiple accounts.

PlanetJumble said:
You don't seriously say using titanium is easier than native integration?
@je55ter only a few more days and we will know for sure.
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I'm not saying it's easier, but if it turns out each user is supposed to purchase it, TB profiles is one solution.
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A very similar example would be the Xbox 360 or PS3. These are devices that use multiple users accounts. On both consoles paid content is available to all profiles on the console.
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Yes, X360 and PS3 are excellent examples... of how it will not work on Android!
Actually it really makes sense that different profiles got different apps, unlike on consoles. If you can cross-license over profiles on the same device some way will be revealed next week.

PlanetJumble said:
Yes, X360 and PS3 are excellent examples... of how it will not work on Android!
Actually it really makes sense that different profiles got different apps, unlike on consoles. If you can cross-license over profiles on the same device some way will be revealed next week.
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What evidence do you have for how it will be implemented? You can make a pretty strong argument for both systems.
If there is no cross-licensing it would seriously reduce the appeal of this feature. Would most people purchase 2 copies of GTA3 for instance just so they can have their own saved game on their profile? I don't think so.

[Q] Multi-user feature in 4.2

Anyone playing with 4.2 yet?
Second and subsequent users seem to have to go through some kind of set up. Can they/do they need to use a Google Account they already have on another device? Is it a good idea for them to do so?

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Anyone playing with 4.2 yet?
Second and subsequent users seem to have to go through some kind of set up. Can they/do they need to use a Google Account they already have on another device? Is it a good idea for them to do so?
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was just playing around on mine yeah it seems it's set up as another user (inc google sync everything) what i was hoping for was like a guest account that could browse the web use some of the apps (according to a whitelist or something) say im with some friends and am streaming music and want to be able to let them use it without giving them access to my email and other stuff?
sadly not to be i fear unless someone can allay my fears?

Looks like you have to emulate a guest user by pre configuring them as a 'dummy' account, with dummy email etc.
Would be difficult to get them access your paid apps though. And what if you set up free apps under that account? Are re downloaded and take up space? That would be a bummer for big apps like games.

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Looks like you have to emulate a guest user by pre configuring them as a 'dummy' account, with dummy email etc.
Would be difficult to get them access your paid apps though. And what if you set up free apps under that account? Are re downloaded and take up space? That would be a bummer for big apps like games.
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exactly want to show the thing off but don't want to have to stand over them making sure they don't go rooting around

WibblyW said:
Looks like you have to emulate a guest user by pre configuring them as a 'dummy' account, with dummy email etc.
Would be difficult to get them access your paid apps though. And what if you set up free apps under that account? Are re downloaded and take up space? That would be a bummer for big apps like games.
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How is this going to be managed then?
Good Point !

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How is this going to be managed then?
Good Point !
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I've tried that out with my girlfriends account and it seems like if you download an app, which you already have on your device, it "installs" it almost immediately. There is no re-download of the file. However, if you start the app you'll see a new instance of it, without any data taken from your other account. Maybe there are some apps which keep their settings but those which I've testet so far seem to start naked. This will mean that the app itself will only stored once, the data like savegames etc. is stored per user.
What bugs me is that there seems no way (maybe with root) to access the internal storage area of the other user. As example, I have some movies stored on my device and I can only access them in the account which was active, when I copied the files to the device.
Edit:
BOOOM: Here we go. Tried to install the facebook app on two users and got the following message:
"You cannot install this app because another user has already installed an incompatible version on this device"
Seems like Google adding this feature is only one part of the story. I think there are quite a lot apps out there which will run into the same issue.
Edit2:
Looked a little bit deeper into this and found out, that this was NOT caused by an incompatibility issue from the facebook app itself. I've modified the apk (for testing purposes, don't use facebook much) with "AppGuard" and installed it outside of the google play store. As I tried to reinstall the facebook app from the play store I ran into the previous described error message.

So am I correct in thinking there will be no way to "make apps available" to all users? I thought this would be a great tool for my son, so i can basically say you can have access to these 10 games and that's it. but if i have to add my google account then "install" each game that's going to be a pain in the arse!
Is there no resource documentation on this? I looked I could not find anything on google that addressed apps really at all.

Each user appears to get a their own "home" directory created in /mnt/shell/emulated.
Default user dir is "0"
Second user dir is "10"
Each contain the standard dir's from 4.1 and earlier.
I took a CWM nandroid backup immediately after upgrading and the clockworkmod folder is in the same directory, so I'm guessing that any app that uses the old-style home path will need updating.
since adding the second user SuperSu has had issues - hangs & then crash, and the Settings app crashed - if I have time I'll revert to stock, upgrade again, and then add another account without rooting & installing supersu/busybox et al.

Kids & The Nexus 7

Hey Nexus 7 peeps!
Santa Claus brought my kids (7 & 8yrs old) N7 tablets for Christmas. I've been researching alternatives for locking them down, and haven't found anything (yet) that really meets the needs. For reference, I've setup the kids Windows 7 PC with Microsoft Family Safety & Security & about a thousand group policies. Given all that I have no worries right now leaving them with the PC with minimal supervision. They use chrome and I have it setup to use the Microsoft FSS site to do any websearches they do.
So.. I'd like to do something similar with their tablets. I have about 3 days before they come back from their grandparents house to get these things configured. I'm currently setup as the "owner" and my kids have their own users setup. For the moment, they are hooked up to my google account. I'm not adverse to changing that, but want to figure out what the options are first.
Heres my thoughts on what they should have:
Chrome, only if I can put some kind of filtering on. Not opposed to OpenDNS (router is setup with DD-WRT already). I'm not obsessed with allowing chrome (or web browser access) right now.
Play store hidden or disabled. I've required a pin for purchase & in-game purchase, which is fine for now but not ideal.
Google now/etc fine if some parental controls can be added.
Email available only to/from people on parent managed contact list, or disabled completely.
Prefer to have a launcher that has a subset of all available apps, and perhaps drawer restrictions/etc
I'm totally not opposed to rooting or whatever would help with this, or even installing CM10 or something if it would help.
I feel like I must be missing something. All of this seems so very basic to me, yet I've not yet found what I'm looking for. There must be other people who got N7s for kids, and want to have a little bit of parental control over whats going on here. I'm looking for recommendations on how to proceed.
Thanks in advance, appreciate any advice offered.
-Blu

http://www.wikihow.com/Block-Porn-on-Android
This is to get you started, I haven't done much other research.
check out this post of mine: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=35197028&postcount=2
OP was asking whether create a separate account for her daughter or not.
And answers to your specific questions:
- Chrome doesn't support any plugins, there are system-wide apps that filter content (probably root required)
- disable it with link2sd or any app that handles apps, nova launcher (and many others) can hide apps from app drawer, its still there, just not in the drawer. (though with filtering, i dont know why you would disable play store, with no credit card its harmless)
- I don't really understand what you mean, but google search does have filtering.
- either remove gmail/email completely, or filter emails in gmail filter settings (sth like anything not from dad, mom, relatives, directly remove. Can be done with no problems, the same way you would handle labels in gmail)
- any aftermarket launcher pretty much. check nova, apex (those are built on stock ics/jb launchers) both enable to hide apps from drawer, but everything can be reset with some tinkering. Google for some kid launchers or sth, I'm sure there is stuff.
I think you're panicking too much to be honest. Its not a gsm device, it doesnt send txts, so you will not get a 100$ bill at the end of the month, apps in play store are safe with filtering (I'm pretty sure you can lock that too), and if they're not tech savvy they shouldn't find their way around your little tricks, but don't underestimate them, kids are very smart, and just may surpass you sooner then you know.
If you have to set so many restrictions on devices, you shouldn't have gotten them in the first place, rather get nintendo DS or PSP.

Awesome, thanks for the advice. I'm looking through your recommendations now. This is my first experience with "Real" jellybean.... I've been using a seriously hacked CM10 for my Droid X2. So this is the first time I've had the opportunity do deal with mutliple users. The cool thing I've found is that apps can be disabled per-user, which makes things a lot easier. Many of the apps that I dont really want them to have, I've just disabled and all seems to be well. I signed them both up with their own Gmail accounts, and I'll monitor that on my own.
My kids are definitely tech savvy, I'm an application developer & generally a white-hat hacker; some of that has rubbed off on them. I think everything is cool now, your point about the google store w/o credit card is totally valid, and I hadn't even considered that. Given that, I've setup restrictions on content from store, content in chrome, and content in youtube. I still want to do a little research on content control in Chrome (plus it will give me a valid excuse to root it, everydamnthing in my house needs to be hacked in some way :good
It may well be that I've panicked too much. Its just that the windows setup is so completely perfect, that I'd like it to be on par. I trust my kids, but only so far. My elder has a form of autism that complicates discussions about what to/not to do.
Appreciate your recommendations!
-Blu

Quite sure the play store got an update recently that requires the account password when attempting to buy any pay apps. It does on mine here anyway. just checked my sons stock tablet and it looks like Google have finally got their act together and are using server side authentication for purchases.
Oh and if you do get the tablets rooted this little program is a must
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fivehellions.android.muappshare
Allows you to share and control apps between user accounts on same tablet. I use it to let my son play my paid games whilst restricting him from using my account.
Cheers Danny

I know that go launcher allows you to hide apps, and you can use a password program to restrict access to the go launcher settings. Just my 2¢.
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Thanks for the appshare. That is brilliant. Haven't used it yet, but I'm certain I will. Both are now rooted w/ CWM installed. For now I'm going to leave them with stock browser.... at 7 & 8 they're not yet actively searching for things they shouldnt be. I'll address that as it comes, but I'm way glad I rooted them now, as unlocking kills user data.
My wife is an Apple junkie (yes, yes, you can save the comments) but even she was impressed with the 4.2 ability to switch users, a feature starkly missing from iThings. I explained that it was a decision brought down by the Ghost Of Steve Jobs, and not an oversight.
End of the day... getting very close to having them configured properly, and none too soon. The kidlets return tomorrow afternoon from grandparents....
-Blu

toidimaet said:
Quite sure the play store got an update recently that requires the account password when attempting to buy any pay apps. It does on mine here anyway. just checked my sons stock tablet and it looks like Google have finally got their act together and are using server side authentication for purchases.
Oh and if you do get the tablets rooted this little program is a must
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fivehellions.android.muappshare
Allows you to share and control apps between user accounts on same tablet. I use it to let my son play my paid games whilst restricting him from using my account.
Cheers Danny
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It only does that when I try to use my play credit. If I use a credit card, it doesn't prompt me
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It only does that when I try to use my play credit. If I use a credit card, it doesn't prompt me
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Ah, I am using a debit card in the UK. It could be a card type thing or even a country thing.

Sorry it took me so long to post and you have set up the tablet, but here's what i did for my daughter's N7:
I set her up with her own Gmail account. Rooted and unlocked the N7 and set it up as hers.
I added her account to my N7 so i can see activity etc. Case, screen protector and stylus.
APPS:
Adfree of course
Avast! In case it is ever lost, & some nice anti virus etc
Smart App Protector - password protect any app....so although I got her her own email address, she can't read, or send email without password...you can lock down the browser too, which I did, because she has games with links that will open a browser. THIS app is awesome.
Parent Dashboard, because it has some fun videos and apps -
I toyed with this being her desktop for a bit but too restrictive - I do like the ability to send her video messages (shared custody).
Skype so we can video chat (only for contacts, natch).
I don't have a credit card attached to her account, but if she wants to buy, I can do a couple things...add it on my N7, buy add to her wishlist them she can d/l on her. Our i can add cc and buy on hers and remove cc.
I think that's about everything and let her go to town.
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[Q] Hey guys, new here, couple questions

I'm new to the android platform. Coming from using an iPhone for years, I pretty much have no idea how to use it properly. It's going to take me a while to get used to it. But I'm working on it. I just have a few questions.
I believe I successfully rooted my Samsung Galaxy s4, using motochopper. I followed the instructions to the T and now see the Superuser icon on my screen.
My first question is, are there any tips with this learning curve, going from an iPhone to an Android. The texting seems to be the most to get used to so far. I also notice Instagram and Facebook apps are totally different, and it looks like I cannot edit photos inside the Facebook app for Android?
Anyway, with the iPhone I would jailbreak, and use cydia to get my paid apps for free, or my tweaks, or customizations. How do I do this with Android?
My next question is a pretty stupid one I'm sure to most but not to me. How do I sync music, and photos, to my Android? With the iPhone I made a folder of images, and synced that folder and all subfolders with the iPhone through iTunes. Is there a simple way to do the same with the Android? Can I just create a folder inside the Pictures folder, and it will show up on the phone?
I appreciate anyones help and I'm sure I will have more questions just can't think of them at this moment.

[email protected] said:
Anyway, with the iPhone I would jailbreak, and use cydia to get my paid apps for free, or my tweaks, or customizations. How do I do this with Android?
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I'll address this question as i'm unfamiliar with the iPhone and i don't use my phone for music so i don't know what the best methods are.
Rooting and jailbreaking are slightly different things. On the iphone, you are locked to iTunes and jailbreaking allows you to install apps from an alternative source (Like cydia). On an android phone, you just need to place a check mark in the setting "Unknown Sources" of your security settings, this will allow the phone to accept apps from any location, there are alternative markets to the play store f-Droid and amazon come to mind so rooting is not needed for this.
Rooting is gaining administrative rights to your phone and can let you do some spectacular things with your phone that would otherwise be impossible. With root access, applications have the ability to modify the system files, say for example, edit the host files to block most advertising, or edit yoru build.prop to make the play store think you are from a different provider. You can allow programs to back up other programs (Titanium backup is a fine example).
The developers on android work hard and should be rewarded for their work. I do block advertising, but i make a point of paying for the apps that i do use.

Very well put.
Nothing else needs to be said.

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Matridom said:
I'll address this question as i'm unfamiliar with the iPhone and i don't use my phone for music so i don't know what the best methods are.
Rooting and jailbreaking are slightly different things. On the iphone, you are locked to iTunes and jailbreaking allows you to install apps from an alternative source (Like cydia). On an android phone, you just need to place a check mark in the setting "Unknown Sources" of your security settings, this will allow the phone to accept apps from any location, there are alternative markets to the play store f-Droid and amazon come to mind so rooting is not needed for this.
Rooting is gaining administrative rights to your phone and can let you do some spectacular things with your phone that would otherwise be impossible. With root access, applications have the ability to modify the system files, say for example, edit the host files to block most advertising, or edit yoru build.prop to make the play store think you are from a different provider. You can allow programs to back up other programs (Titanium backup is a fine example).
The developers on android work hard and should be rewarded for their work. I do block advertising, but i make a point of paying for the apps that i do use.
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Hey there, thanks so much for the clarification.
I wasn't aware of the differences between Jailbreaking and Rooting. That definitely clears some things up. So I would mostly have no need for rooting, as I don't need to do anything you mentioned above and doubt I would ever have a need to edit or alter host or system files.
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TheAxman said:
Very well put.
Nothing else needs to be said.
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Not quite true. I still have other questions that I need answers for.
I understand the concept of paying for developers work. I only use the apps to discover if they are worth the money or not. I never "stole" apps on my iPhone and I do not intend to on the Android.
I just want to make that clear, I am just trying to learn how to do the things I did on my iPhone, on this phone. I am not trying to find out how to steal hardwork from others. I do end up paying for the apps I keep.

[email protected] said:
Hey there, thanks so much for the clarification.
I wasn't aware of the differences between Jailbreaking and Rooting. That definitely clears some things up. So I would mostly have no need for rooting, as I don't need to do anything you mentioned above and doubt I would ever have a need to edit or alter host or system files.
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Not quite true. I still have other questions that I need answers for.
I understand the concept of paying for developers work. I only use the apps to discover if they are worth the money or not. I never "stole" apps on my iPhone and I do not intend to on the Android.
I just want to make that clear, I am just trying to learn how to do the things I did on my iPhone, on this phone. I am not trying to find out how to steal hardwork from others. I do end up paying for the apps I keep.
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/...surfer&feature=nav_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDNd

xBeerdroiDx said:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...surfer&feature=nav_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDNd
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Oh my god, the iPhone is just getting worse and worse as the days go by. haha Why is this not a thing on iTunes.
Thankyou!!
Still have questions about transfering/syncing songs and photos though.

[email protected] said:
Hey there, thanks so much for the clarification.
I wasn't aware of the differences between Jailbreaking and Rooting. That definitely clears some things up. So I would mostly have no need for rooting, as I don't need to do anything you mentioned above and doubt I would ever have a need to edit or alter host or system files.
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You might be surprised. Root is needed for some changes. To give you another example, our phones, due to the nature of AMOLED are fantastic at displaying a deep black *and* save on power when using black backgrounds. Gmail app, is all white background with black text. There exists a "blacked out" version of gmail that has the colors inverted and many people tend to prefer this over the standard gmail.
Root access let's be backup things that are otherwise impossible to backup, things like the android ID (Used by many applications to individually identify a phone), phone logs, SMS messages and such. Games like farmville and Paradise Island will use the androidd ID to see if you moved your game to a new phone, invalidating the install and forcing you to start from anew (And maybe buying more in-app purchases).
Some applications are limited to certain countries or certain providers, so using an app like Market Enabler allows you to change where you appear to be from, to by-pass regional blocks.
Root is also needed to tweak the appearance of android, if you want the clock gone from your menu, you can remove it, you can change the battery icon there. You can remove your network provider from the lock screen (or rename it to something silly like i did).
On the flip side, some applications (like google wallet) may not work properly if root is detected, so it can be a toss up.
Me, personally, i use root mainly for 2 apps, adaway and titanium backup. Titanium backup also syncs to my dropbox, so i have now gotten to the point where i should never have to plug a wire into my phone.

Looks to me that you are still in love with your iPuke. You will find that if you do not root, you won't be able to do alot of things. If you are trying to turn an android into a iPuke..then whats the point. Learn what the android can do, you will find that it is all you want it to be.
Ax's opinion only!

Matridom said:
You might be surprised. Root is needed for some changes. To give you another example, our phones, due to the nature of AMOLED are fantastic at displaying a deep black *and* save on power when using black backgrounds. Gmail app, is all white background with black text. There exists a "blacked out" version of gmail that has the colors inverted and many people tend to prefer this over the standard gmail.
Root access let's be backup things that are otherwise impossible to backup, things like the android ID (Used by many applications to individually identify a phone), phone logs, SMS messages and such. Games like farmville and Paradise Island will use the androidd ID to see if you moved your game to a new phone, invalidating the install and forcing you to start from anew (And maybe buying more in-app purchases).
Some applications are limited to certain countries or certain providers, so using an app like Market Enabler allows you to change where you appear to be from, to by-pass regional blocks.
Root is also needed to tweak the appearance of android, if you want the clock gone from your menu, you can remove it, you can change the battery icon there. You can remove your network provider from the lock screen (or rename it to something silly like i did).
On the flip side, some applications (like google wallet) may not work properly if root is detected, so it can be a toss up.
Me, personally, i use root mainly for 2 apps, adaway and titanium backup. Titanium backup also syncs to my dropbox, so i have now gotten to the point where i should never have to plug a wire into my phone.
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Thankyou so much for the information. I appreciate your indepth responses. I will check out what you have mentioned.
TheAxman said:
Looks to me that you are still in love with your iPuke. You will find that if you do not root, you won't be able to do alot of things. If you are trying to turn an android into a iPuke..then whats the point. Learn what the android can do, you will find that it is all you want it to be.
Ax's opinion only!
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I really don't know how you're gathering such an opinion. I'm asking for help on learning how to do the things I did on my iPhone, on my new Android phone.
I'm not trying to be rude, but if you have nothing useful to contribute, don't post.

[email protected] said:
Thankyou so much for the information. I appreciate your indepth responses. I will check out what you have mentioned.
I really don't know how you're gathering such an opinion. I'm asking for help on learning how to do the things I did on my iPhone, on my new Android phone.
I'm not trying to be rude, but if you have nothing useful to contribute, don't post.
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Sometimes it's best to ignore....
In regards to music.. look into the Google music app, personally I'm big into radio, so I use an app called tunein allot. Personally, I would just dump the music onto the phone through Windows explorer and see how it goes from there
Something else to keep in mind,a lot of the apps you are familiar with will be available in the play store. Do a good start is to look for familiar titles
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I personally prefer Google Play Music. I uploaded all my 320kbps music which I had in iTunes directly to the Google Play Music server, where you can access all of your songs on any device supporting the app, or in any web browser. You can also download copies to your devices for offline play. The all access feature of Google Play Music is nice as well, they have virtually every song I've searched for available on demand as well as download for offline use, for $7.99/month.

Matridom said:
Sometimes it's best to ignore....
In regards to music.. look into the Google music app, personally I'm big into radio, so I use an app called tunein allot. Personally, I would just dump the music onto the phone through Windows explorer and see how it goes from there
Something else to keep in mind,a lot of the apps you are familiar with will be available in the play store. Do a good start is to look for familiar titles
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Ok great, I will check out the Google music app and I appreciate your help once again.
blyndfyre said:
I personally prefer Google Play Music. I uploaded all my 320kbps music which I had in iTunes directly to the Google Play Music server, where you can access all of your songs on any device supporting the app, or in any web browser. You can also download copies to your devices for offline play. The all access feature of Google Play Music is nice as well, they have virtually every song I've searched for available on demand as well as download for offline use, for $7.99/month.
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Awesome thankyou for your input!
You guys have been super helpful! I'm sure I'll have more questions in the future so I'll be back if I do! Thanks guys!

Sometimes the truth hurts huh

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Sometimes the truth hurts huh
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Totally agree with the sentiment, just not with where it's directed.
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TheAxman said:
Sometimes the truth hurts huh
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And sometimes people think they know everything when in fact they do not. But thanks for your input regardless buddy.

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And sometimes people think they know everything when in fact they do not. But thanks for your input regardless buddy.
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Who uses their hotmail account as their screen name? That's almost as bad as posting your imei number.
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jd1639 said:
Who uses their hotmail account as their screen name? That's almost as bad as posting your emei number.
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Hahah I didn't even realize I had done that. I think maybe when I signed up I thought it was asking for email. Obviously.

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Hahah I didn't even realize I had done that. I think maybe when I signed up I thought it was asking for email. Obviously.
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Obviously
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jd1639 said:
Obviously
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Don't suppose there's a way to change that huh? haha

[email protected] said:
Don't suppose there's a way to change that huh? haha
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Let me send you an email on that, lol. No, idk
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