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No more 2.1 rom developing?

What happened to all the 2.1 fun? A leaked 2.2 drops and all of a sudden 2.1 dev'ing is a ghost town. 2.2 leak was ok, but I prefer the flawlessness of my TW2.1 set-up.
I take it everyone moved on?

2.2 brings alot of benefits to the platform as a whole, as a result alot of developers were actually waiting on 2.2 before starting development (ie. Cyanogen - however not sure where it is heading at the moment). There are some developers who started on 2.1 just because it was all we had at that time, but now that 2.2 is available there's no point in going back.

Why not? 2.1 is stable as hell. Until CM is released I see myself staying on tw final r1.
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And...I know it is all about moving forward, but I didn't really see much difference on a 2.2 rom. Our devs are so good, no discernible difference was to be had (for me).

TheSneakerWhore said:
And...I know it is all about moving forward, but I didn't really see much difference on a 2.2 rom. Our devs are so good, no discernible difference was to be had (for me).
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Just because you didn't notice the differences, doesn't mean they are not there. Flash player, copy/paste features, voice actions, etc...

I know it sounds silly, but I really like the drag tool when you are editing a line of text with the little drop down.

Like you said, 2.1 was already, "flawlessness" and "stable as hell" why mess with something thats not broken and room for little improvement as opposed to 2.2, where the development ceiling is much higher

Yea...I like seeing progress and will update to 2.2 once things get a bit more stable (admittedly I haven't used the new features--I'm pretty boring). I just feel like sometimes everyone looks to the future asap and once a dead horse is almost beaten no more support goes that way and those who like to play it safe only have a few flavors left.
I just really like 2.1--and would want a 2.2+ that makes me smile just as wide.

there are several 2.2 roms that are stable. i have tried them all and i am currently running obsidian v5 for now. having flash and all of the other goodies makes it worth it.

kizer said:
I know it sounds silly, but I really like the drag tool when you are editing a line of text with the little drop down.
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+1!! such a small feature, but it is so useful!!!
TheSneakerWhore said:
Yea...I like seeing progress and will update to 2.2 once things get a bit more stable (admittedly I haven't used the new features--I'm pretty boring). I just feel like sometimes everyone looks to the future asap and once a dead horse is almost beaten no more support goes that way and those who like to play it safe only have a few flavors left.
I just really like 2.1--and would want a 2.2+ that makes me smile just as wide.
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there are plenty of solid 2.1 roms. when tw has a bionix final and a fusion that's either final or close, plus aosp like roms, plus all of eugene's roms, 2.1 has been done thoroughly.
i'd recommend you try one of the good, new 2.2s like axura, obsidian, or macnut and see if it changes your mind. it's not just new features of 2.2, i went from 1.2ghz oc/uv core kernel with fusion to stock kernel obsidian, both with no lagfixes, and was benchmarking about exactly the same, which i found pretty impressive.

hows ur battery
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I tried onyx...it was really nice.
I tried mac nut...it was nice as well.
I just love my bionix final and core r310 more. It's just me being picky...when I had a mt3gs I had tons of options. Samsung has screwed the pooch and thus we are limited. Like I said earlier, I'm kind of boring...i like flashing, but rarely use things to the entire extent.
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established said:
hows ur battery
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1day 13hours 50min since unplugged (at full charge, i'm reconditioning the battery) with 35% remaining... with what's probably considered light usage: some web browsing (mostly on wifi), moderate texting, a little angry birds and sudokus, etc.
i'm using axura 2.0.4, first time i've flashed axura and i've been very impressed with it.

established said:
hows ur battery
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Great!
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kizer said:
I know it sounds silly, but I really like the drag tool when you are editing a line of text with the little drop down.
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+1. I love that too.
And yeah, honestly, even though it's a "leak", 2.2 has made it to the stable levels of 2.1 ROMS. I've been using Axura since it came out, and even the first build was just great, and now everything seems to have worked itself out, I literally don't have one feature I cannot do on this ROM, everything works. And if for some reason something doesn't, it must not be that important to me because I haven't noticed haha.

Lol this is an insult someone complaining for old firmware..... how retarded move on everything your had in 2.1 plus more in 2.2 lol
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ColbyRyptos said:
Lol this is an insult someone complaining for old firmware..... how retarded move on everything your had in 2.1 plus more in 2.2 lol
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Eh, the term "leak" scares people off, including myself actually. But once I saw so many positive comments about Axura that's when I finally took the dive. I know people seem to love Obsidian, but everytime I enter that forum it's just posts upon posts of people not only having problems, but with bricked phones/having to odin to stock/ etc etc. I highly recommend Axura, I've never used Odin to recover or get anything working. It's real easy, and even more rewarding.
PS This isn't a post to spark defense for Obsidian, obviously it works for some people, but just my observations.

kinda goes without saying, but: you are always free to carry on the 2.1 development torch if you think it's a worthwhile venture.

TheSneakerWhore said:
Why not? 2.1 is stable as hell. Until CM is released I see myself staying on tw final r1.
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I agree...at this stage 2.1 baked firmwares are stable as hell...which is also why there's little reason to bother tweaking them further.
It's really about resource and time management I think. We're weeks away from 2.1 being a distant memory officially, so there's little reason to play in that pond anymore.

To beat the dead horse even more:
Not much more can be done with Eclair.... and frankly, now that there is a froyo (with JIT compiler) why would you want to keep wasting time on it? I understand (and agree) that the Eclair builds we have are incredible ones... and there is of course things that could make them better, but why bother?
Froyo is a daily driver, incredibly stable and it brings a lot more to the table. Any developer is going to want to play with the new toy, and this is it. When there is another leak or OTA, THAT will be the new toy. And THIS leak did come from a T Mobile employee (who will continue to go unknown for his services) so there is no real worry issue here.
People on XDA tend to want this too... I flashed my phone probably 7 times in the past 2 weeks. Not because I needed to, but because there was a new rom or a new update... always going to want the latest/greatest.
Also, I am positive my froyo is faster than any eclair you have, it has very good battery life and it can do more....
REALLY wanting to see Axura 2.0.5 available....

Aren't you getting tired of the "This rom update is great, it's even faster!"

Aren't you getting tired of the "This rom update is great, it's even faster!"
Haven't been around and flashing for too long, started with the sgs1 and got the sgs2 now.
With every rom update there are always a bunch/lot of dudes who say "Wow thanks! My [insert device] is even faster now!"
If you would read for example the whole Darky rom thread for the sgs1, you would think the latest version of the Darky ROM (after about a hundred updates) the phone should be as fast as the latest supercomputer.
Just a thought I wanted to share with you guys.

i agree.. infact the KF1 seems to be sluggish then KE7.. i have noticed that in KF1 the android system uses less battery.. duuh .. no wonder its sluggish.. they tried to minimise power consumpption and in doing so have made it sluggish

androidsjonnie said:
With every rom update there are always a bunch/lot of dudes who say "Wow thanks! My [insert device] is even faster now!"
If you would read for example the whole Darky rom thread for the sgs1, you would think the latest version of the Darky ROM (after about a hundred updates) the phone should be as fast as the latest supercomputer.
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that is the thing with flashing methods that do (or require) a reset.
of course it is faster than before, because you just set up your phone from start and dont have the crap on it like before. it's like saying "hey, windows 7 is so much faster, because after i installed it it was faster than my 3 year running windows xp installation".
it is really difficult to judge speed if flashing incorporates a reset.

tbf im still on the stock rom, im waiting for people to say, hey this rom is super fast+has a good battery etc. I dont think that magic firmware has come yet.

dont forget the placebo effect.
people flash new roms, where literally nothing is different to stock apart from root.
so why are we doing it?
because we are leet people far away from being normals. so we need cutomized stuff. even when the stock rom is working well.

arj154 said:
tbf im still on the stock rom, im waiting for people to say, hey this rom is super fast+has a good battery etc. I dont think that magic firmware has come yet.
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The sgs2 is already fast out of the box, I don't think we will encounter any rom at all wich will give you a noticable speed difference. It's more about the features this time around, and the current roms don't really provide much features. Some nice cosmetic stuff tho.

The other thing is how many people with minor problems are those that have rooted and flashed various roms? My phone is stock and has none of the niggly problems that appear on the forums
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xinfinityoO said:
i agree.. infact the KF1 seems to be sluggish then KE7.. i have noticed that in KF1 the android system uses less battery.. duuh .. no wonder its sluggish.. they tried to minimise power consumpption and in doing so have made it sluggish
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that's just as wrong as what the op said lol xD

Is there even a purpose to this thread? Or is it just more whining?

I have significantly better battery life with the villin rom. With heavy use my phone now lasts 14-15 hours. I'm happy with that.
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stoney73 said:
Is there even a purpose to this thread? Or is it just more whining?
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nope, just more whining.
meh..

Blue1k said:
I have significantly better battery life with the villin rom. With heavy use my phone now lasts 14-15 hours. I'm happy with that.
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hm i might try out the villian ROM, it would be nice to have better battery but its not a major issue for me since i normally charge it every day anyway.

stoolzo said:
nope, just more whining.
meh..
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sometimes you have to let your feelings flow.
whining within groups is great.

A Good Rom for Evo?

i hope this the correct forum for this if not Im sorry. I have an epic but my wife has an Evo and i have put a rom on it for her. Now she is complaining about cyanogenmod 7 that I put on her phone and she keeps running into small problems Im not that familiar w/ the evo roms so I need some guidance with them. I need something very stable and very easy to use, it doesn't matter what android as long as it is stable.
thanks in advance
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MIUI
My mom's phone is an Evo 4G and I put MIUI on it. It has an iOS-like interface and it is VERY easy to use.

Lacedaemon said:
My mom's phone is an Evo 4G and I put MIUI on it. It has an iOS-like interface and it is VERY easy to use.
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It's also the buggiest ROM I've ever run. Try Evo Classic by TommyTomatoe. Super stable and super easy to use.

Evo4gLI said:
It's also the buggiest ROM I've ever run. Try Evo Classic by TommyTomatoe. Super stable and super easy to use.
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Honestly, Evo4gLI, the last time I checked, I haven't run into any problems using MIUI. Green_Arrow says in his guide that MIUI "has the longest battery life and is very customizable." I would readily second that, and though MIUI doesn't have WiMAX as of yet, I don't use 4G at ALL.

Check our the guide in my signature. For ultimate stability, I would suggest MikG or tommytomatoe's The Classic if you want Sense.
MIUI is my favorite AOSP ROM. It is incredibly stable if you actually wipe everything right
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Evo4gLI said:
It's also the buggiest ROM I've ever run. Try Evo Classic by TommyTomatoe. Super stable and super easy to use.
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OMG, it's the most STABLE ROM ever. I had ZERO bugs on my MIUI setups. None

Evo4gLI said:
It's also the buggiest ROM I've ever run. Try Evo Classic by TommyTomatoe. Super stable and super easy to use.
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Cosign that
about miui, yes there are bugs at times on the releases

thanks to everyone for the info
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migmartinez said:
i hope this the correct forum for this if not Im sorry. I have an epic but my wife has an Evo and i have put a rom on it for her. Now she is complaining about cyanogenmod 7 that I put on her phone and she keeps running into small problems Im not that familiar w/ the evo roms so I need some guidance with them. I need something very stable and very easy to use, it doesn't matter what android as long as it is stable.
thanks in advance
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Sounds like you should have left the phone at stock settings ;o Go with one of the stock mods like Classic or Swagged Out Stock. Can't get more stable than that.
Maybe get her an ice cream sandwich mod for ease of use when those become stable.
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I am new to rooting but have found Fresh and Nocturnal's Shooter (Sense 3.0) roms pretty good. No issues so far and has been around 3 weeks of steady usage. I have the Evo 4g. Just make sure to back up so if anything goes wrong you are covered. I also like to test out the phone pretty good after installing anything. rooted or otherwise. could be buggy software causing the issues. waiting for cyan9 in jan.
Also http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1334484 has an excellent guide on rooting the evo. I was put off by other guides but you can't get more cut and dry than that one. Thoughtful and detailed in case you missed anything.

tropicalbrit said:
Check our the guide in my signature. For ultimate stability, I would suggest MikG or tommytomatoe's The Classic if you want Sense.
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Can't say I've ever ran MIUI, but from all of the roms I've ran, I've never had
stability issues with any Sense based rom and have so far had the best battery
life with MikG's 2.59 with the Freedom kernel.
sitting at 22:30 hrs up, 6:50hrs awake with 54% battery life remaining.
Took a screen shot even to show my brother to tick him off, his photon dies
over the course of a work day.
I'd agree though, MikG and Tommytomatoes roms are great,
I love a lot of the 3.5 roms as well, but the stability and performance aren't
where I'd like them to be yet. Never got the feel for CM/AOSP based roms,
though they all run well for me, and I never did like the Apple style UI, which
everyone seems to compare MIUI to. Probably why that's one of the only roms
I haven't installed on my evo.

EI22 roms and why

Ok so I know every one has a different reason for why they like a certain rom.
We have great devs here I have tried the following
Legendary
Acs
Clean Gb
All of them rock and are all different as they are similar.
If you have tried more than one tell me why you stuck with it over the others.
I know the hardcore ACs and Legendary ppl will vote for theirs but only chime in if you have tried more than one. even if the other is not on my list..
Maybe this discussion will help me choose and maybe help other also.

I personally like the "close to stock" roms...don't get me wrong I've done my fair share of flashing to the "extreme" but there doesn't seem to be many headaches with the "close to stock roms" ....just my ¢2
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stepped out for a while and back in
I stepped out for a while and am trying to update my phone. I am so out I do not know how active the forum has been . This is exactly the information I am looking for and am still going to try to dig up . I hope that there is such a thread and that is why this did not take. . .or maybe that the forums are so bustling that there are no less than productive awesomeness going on behind the curtains. . .or hopefully because of the holiday or something because it would be a shame if such a useful thread died a lonely death because there was no evaluating releases thread.
Have no idea. . .just hoping it is as easy to find as the OP intended . . .if not i hope I come back after I was forced to find this info on my own.
I would love some non loyalist (or even loyalists to some extent but not flooding) thread like this.
Thanks OP for at least trying.
Edit: Ok . . .so maybe I was a bit premature in my . . . . .rant. Sorry if this is the case.

I ran Legendary 4.0.1 since it was released and found it to lack nothing. I just switched to ACS 5.1 because the list of mods fit more with my preferences as well as I like the theme better.

Running legendary rom since v3 or so. Why? cause everything just seems to work.
For the theme, I flashed ics v1 on top of legendary rc1 and everything seems to work ok.

It's tough to find a rom with ACS/Legendary features that uses a no-theme approach like the clean GB rom. I'm on Legendary pre-RC because of the theming... and yes, I understand a different one can be flashed on top of it, but this seems to cause more problems than not from experience.
Anyone here remember Energy roms from the WM days? The cook offered them in no less than 6-10 flavors at a time with different kernel builds, homescreen utilities, themes, etc. Is this the only way to please both the "stock look high performance" and "themeed complete rom" crowds?

Not sure if you call this an EI22 Rom but çm7 is rocking my phone as we speak. I also liked starsky rom very reliable and great performance. CPK's Urban Tom is great yet there seems to be A ram leak which cause freezing. Not sure of the cause though, not blaming cpk or the IAP kernel though w/o proof.
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personally i use ICS 5.5 and CM7 because With the devs for ACS i know im in good hands. If a bug arises they fix it almost immediately. As for why i use CM7 thats not even a question IMO. It is the fastest rom you can put on this phone, and the only reason i have a backup rom is for when I need to use things that CM7 cant do simply because they havent been added yet (the number is getting smaller quickly.). I also would recommend trying out CompKids rom because it is a work of art. He tends to not update as much as a lot of the other roms but thats simply because there are a lot of other projects he is working on. But whats great about it is that it has tweaks and code that no other roms have. If you really want a stock feel though i think its safe to stick with Legendary Rom or even just Clean GB. Ive tryed both and though they lacked the theme customization I wanted they were incredibly stable and fast.

I was running Legendary Rom since switching from ACS Frozen Froyo rom. For some reason, the last two versions of Legendary did not agree with my Epic as there was a significant rotation lag. I switched over to ACS ICS for that reason, found that it resolved my rotation lag issue, liked the theme but most importantly all the functions I need to work work with ICS. CM7 still does not have WiMax working, which I use from time to time so it won't be flashed until then (run CM7 on my Nook Color).

Any godam rom that has the drop down drawer drop butter smooth is fine with me. Otherwise Pos.
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Looneyrat said:
Any godam rom that has the drop down drawer drop butter smooth is fine with me. Otherwise Pos.
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Real talk.
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quick99si said:
It's tough to find a rom with ACS/Legendary features that uses a no-theme approach like the clean GB rom. I'm on Legendary pre-RC because of the theming... and yes, I understand a different one can be flashed on top of it, but this seems to cause more problems than not from experience.
Anyone here remember Energy roms from the WM days? The cook offered them in no less than 6-10 flavors at a time with different kernel builds, homescreen utilities, themes, etc. Is this the only way to please both the "stock look high performance" and "themeed complete rom" crowds?
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Energy was as best as you got on WM. I liked the choices you had as far as the UI. But nothing beats Android OS in my mind.

I'm running SleeperROM for its stability and excellent battery life. It's a little bland as far as looks go, but I will sacrifice looks for performance. But I have put the nebula theme over it, and laid down Roboto font. This thing is a beast!
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Clean GB or ck23 UrBan Precision X
Clean GB is great stable and close to stock ROM ... ck23 UrBan is great if you like some cool theming on your ROM

I loaded the legendary rom which was very stable but very stock looking. I enjoy having something a little different. I am now running ACS ICSv5.1 with the honeycomb fusion theme. I love it!
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So far using stock OTA EI22 is the worst smart phone experience I've ever had. Did they even test this before releasing it?
As for the roms I usually flash... I like roms that is closet to stock as possible due to liking the stock widgets and stock apps. The only stock app that annoys me is nascar, sprint football, hd games store, Asphalt 5, and Telenav.
I'll probably be switching over to CM once all the bugs are squished, and I'll end up buying launcher pro plus for the widgets (I've heard they're really high quality).
EI22 is likely the last major update for our phones, and anything other than bug fixes is out of the question. If we are lucky, we'll get an official bug fix to EI22.
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I'm waiting for the freezing issue to get ironed out before I can go back to Urban. I really want to!
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My problem with change

I hate change. So, since I have worked on specializing NY CM7 for just me, then ics coming out, makes it hard for me to want to go to it. I love my setup as well as my performance here on gingerbread. But, I have pulled myself to download oICSv41 as well as the GLaDOS kernel. Is there any big bugs with v41 I should know about..? As well as with GLaDOS. I know of the reboot problem, but it sounds like its just people using set CPU. And if I do have problems ill just go to mathkids trusty matr1x kernel that I've been using since 6.0. Although none of you will provably care I just felt the need to say this, thanks guys
PS. If you have problems like this, post then below, weather it be with phones or not.
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I hate change. So, since I have worked on specializing NY CM7 for just me, then ics coming
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I haven't had any issue at all except for slight launcher lag.
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I hate change too... I've flashed and tried just about every ICS rom and kernel out right now, but still find myself nandroiding back to my latest GB MIUI setup. Not once did I get excited about ICS coming out... honestly I don't see what all the hype is about. It took a year to get GB to what it is today, so I wonder what ICS will be a year from now.
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I feel exactly the same way. I absolutely LOVE my gingerbread the way it is. And about five minutes ago, I flashed back to good ole gb. I wont flash ics until an official ota cones out.
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Idk bout you guys but I'm not afraid to try new things, have fun living in the past cavemen lol. But things about ics right know are all known issues that Google already knows about. Bad battery life due to android os keeping the phone awake, home screen lag which gets resolved by using either kernels you mentioned and depending on the from you settle on, incoming mms doesn't work but outgoing does. Other than that, its bad ass and something new.
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I tried ICS for a day, straight back to GB for me, it seemed like a step backward for me coming from MV roms.

Matr1x v13.0
(Oc 1300/200 smartassv2 and live Oc 105% raise voltages by 15)
Nexusbeam 4.0.1
Perfect combination. Everything works, no complaints.
Quadrant scores of 3434, which is respectable.
ICS is the way to go!
Hope this helps you decide.

Even though I finally have a decently running ICS ROM.. I'm still disappointed by ICS. I think a lot of it had to do with the very large overhyping it got.. I mean we all thought our phones would be ****ting rainbows and unicorns, and didn't, not even close. It's a cosmetic re-design with annoying hardware accelerated web browsing..
The accelerated web browsing is so poorly implemented one of the first features I'd love to see in a ROM is the ability to turn it off. I'm much rather put up with the occasional "hitching" while scrolling instead of the "Scroll, scroll scroll, wait for it to render and make the blur go away" craptacular experience it is now.

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I think a lot of it had to do with the very large overhyping it got.. I mean we all thought our phones would be ****ting rainbows and unicorns, and didn't, not even close.
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And that's the story with anything new that comes out. Everyone hears about something new and runs with it and praises it to the heavens and back without knowing anything about it (true hands on experience). Its always best to form your own opinion on things and not let hype or anything like that to get in your way of judging something.
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styckx said:
Even though I finally have a decently running ICS ROM.. I'm still disappointed by ICS. I think a lot of it had to do with the very large overhyping it got.. I mean we all thought our phones would be ****ting rainbows and unicorns, and didn't, not even close. It's a cosmetic re-design with annoying hardware accelerated web browsing..
The accelerated web browsing is so poorly implemented one of the first features I'd love to see in a ROM is the ability to turn it off. I'm much rather put up with the occasional "hitching" while scrolling instead of the "Scroll, scroll scroll, wait for it to render and make the blur go away" craptacular experience it is now.
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It's weird because the render time is insanely long on the OTA. But, when I had installed Kwiboo's or CM9, the browser experience was amazing!
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I dunno, i look at GB now and it look ugly and clunky. Stock ICS is running just as fast (or faster) and stable as stock GB did for me. I don't even have the desire to play with custom ROMs and kernels anymore, ICS is so close to perfection for my needs. Unless CM9 offers something really great, I'm sticking with stock ICS.