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Motorola Forum moderators not always truthfull

Awhile back I was banned from the Motorola Forum. I had the audacity to repost a post that Fletch333 had moved to an area where I thought it wouldn't be seen by as many people. I had posted that the only way the SD card would ever work in the Xoom would be if they came here and learned how to root their Xoom and install a different kernal.
Fletch333 didn't like that.
So he sent me a note that he had moved it so I replied and wished him a hearty FU and reposted it and immediately got banned.
I post this because this morning I stopped by the Motorola Forum to see if anything new was happening and saw a post by Matt where he said people get warned several times before being banned and THAT ISN'T TRUE.
It was my first " offense " if reposting is an " offense " under the TOS.
Fletch333 hadn't even been identified as a moderator at the time to my knowlege and I was surprised to find he had been given the power to move posts and ban people.
Someone who has post priviledges at the Motorola Xoom forum might want to remind Matt that Arizona Willie was banned for a first offense without warnings.
Of course, that would probably get you banned.
Never speak truth to power.

So you broke the rules by posting something about rooting outside the unlocking part of the forum, you then re posted it and broke the rules again, and then insulted a fellow member (regardless of moderator status or not), breaking the rules for a third time and you are surprised they took action?
I don't agree with a lot of the stuff I see from mods of the Motorola forums but I have to say that's a bit more than a "first offence".
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Hey, I would just say, I would reccomend that you be careful what you say as you don't want to get banned again. We need forum users, so before your banned be careful what you say. This is a device forum, not a gossip forum.
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This calls out specific members on the Motorola forum, and is not allowed here. I understand everyone's fear in conspiracies, but this is not the avenue to pursue that line of thought...
Thread closed. Sorry.

[POLL] Should XDA Continue to Close Enyo's threads?

It is well known that the Fascinate forums have been quiet. Many people have moved on to different phones and forums. In fact, it seemed like the Fascinate forums would wither away.
Then something changed. Enyo came to these forums and reinvigorated them and brought them back to their former glory. Gone were the days of few posts and nothing interesting. Good times were back again. ROMS were released. Lulz were had.
Then the dark clouds of oppression began to gather once more. Forum users complained that other users complained too much. People began to fail to see humor in life and started reporting Enyo's threads. The threads that have given us so much joy and are quite frankly one of the few reasons many of us even come to xda any more have been closed.
So, should xda continue to close Enyo's threads?

No. I enjoy shanangens and asshatery.
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No way his threads take xda to a me level of entertainment with many lols. They are way to much fun. Won't be surprised if this thread gets closed as well
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Keep the threads going! Till the truth comes out. They are very interesting. Maybe he is sincerely trying his best to learn how. The whole problem is, his problem with the truth, if he would have said look I'm learning, i can't make any promises, have patience with me etc. It would be whole different ball game. But hey let him learn.
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I imagine this thread will be closed as well, unfortunately Just ask Old Man James what happened when he petitioned to have the "poll" thread reopened
Has anyone seen John Connor?

This thread isn't concerned with retroactively overturning decisions like that poll was. This thread is taking a poll on the general consensus for prospective policy.

No keep them open! Im finding this stuff to be full of lulz. At first I was a bit uptight about the flaming, but the more enyo posts, the more he brings it on himself. I respect the fact he is putting a effort into bringing the fascinate commmunity more roms, but he could stand to be a bit more tactful with his threads/posts. Then again maybe enyo is a know dev that created another account to mess with us abit...you guys got me thinking now. who is enyo actually...the unsolved mysteries of xda lol.

bobloblaw1 said:
This thread isn't concerned with retroactively overturning decisions like that poll was. This thread is taking a poll on the general consensus for prospective policy.
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I can try to create some lulz threads of my own, but I could never hope to attain to Enyo's level of mastery and sheer comedic dominance
Has anyone seen John Connor?

All this thread closing has to be affecting morale. I need him in good spirits so we can get a Honeycome port on our Gameboy Colors.

Enyo is a great developer of roms. What else would 25/16 of Fascinate users use? I look forward to his webOS ROM.

all i can say at this point is that i only closed one of enyo's threads and it was not for my own opinion or any user reports, but enyo himself requested the closing. as the op of that specific thread he was entitled to that, just like any noobs that posts a [Q] thread can demand to have it closed or deleted once they have the answers they wanted or for whatever other reason there might be.
Also, as stated on another thread before, personally, i don't mind a little off-topic posting, fun and general discussion. after all, no tv and no beer make homer something something...
however, one must not forget that xda-dev has 4 million users, one million threads and the reputation of being THE smartphone community, THE go-to forum for news, apps, tweaks, roms and hacks and that is something that should be kept that way. new users should not get the impression that all this is, is flaming, trolling and memes. there are other places on the internet for that. just look at what happened to the comments on engadget, or engadget altogether.
so, to a certain point, you can keep having fun, but before you post, please think about the big picture, whether your post is really necessary and what would happen, if everybody here posted like that and useful information would be buried under tons of crap, what happens to users that need actual help with their semi-broken devices and all they find is lulz.
So, to get back to the question at hand:
- i believe that any thread starter should be entitled to decide, whether or not his/her thread should be closed
- if there are too many reports by other users about a thread getting out of hand, it should not be closed, but the reported posts should be deleted and the users should eventually be infracted. in general, if it was not the op, that was reported, he/she should not suffer for having their thread hijacked
- this thread, as well as the other poll will neither be closed nor deleted YET, as you are free to discuss issues like this, but once these polls had a run of a week or two, there should be enough results in on how the community feels, and i will follow the results. if this turns out to be another troll thread, it will be closed /deleted before that.

Skrazz said:
All this thread closing has to be affecting morale. I need him in good spirits so we can get a Honeycome port on our Gameboy Colors.
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Love the sig Skrazz
Has anyone seen John Connor?

Chef_Tony said:
all i can say at this point is that i only closed one of enyo's threads and it was not for my own opinion or any user reports, but enyo himself requested the closing. as the op of that specific thread he was entitled to that, just like any noobs that posts a [Q] thread can demand to have it closed or deleted once they have the answers they wanted or for whatever other reason there might be.
Also, as stated on another thread before, personally, i don't mind a little off-topic posting, fun and general discussion. after all, no tv and no beer make homer something something...
however, one must not forget that xda-dev has 4 million users, one million threads and the reputation of being THE smartphone community, THE go-to forum for news, apps, tweaks, roms and hacks and that is something that should be kept that way. new users should not get the impression that all this is, is flaming, trolling and memes. there are other places on the internet for that. just look at what happened to the comments on engadget, or engadget altogether.
so, to a certain point, you can keep having fun, but before you post, please think about the big picture, whether your post is really necessary and what would happen, if everybody here posted like that and useful information would be buried under tons of crap, what happens to users that need actual help with their semi-broken devices and all they find is lulz.
So, to get back to the question at hand:
- i believe that any thread starter should be entitled to decide, whether or not his/her thread should be closed
- if there are too many reports by other users about a thread getting out of hand, it should not be closed, but the reported posts should be deleted and the users should eventually be infracted. in general, if it was not the op, that was reported, he/she should not suffer for having their thread hijacked
- this thread, as well as the other poll will neither be closed nor deleted YET, as you are free to discuss issues like this, but once these polls had a run of a week or two, there should be enough results in on how the community feels, and i will follow the results. if this turns out to be another troll thread, it will be closed /deleted before that.
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I agree with you man... specially the last part that i bolded and underlined...
but it turns out most/all of these threads turn into people trolling or flaming. it is really really starting to get out of hand and i am getting tired of deleting posts by the tens. and then coming back to the same thread 2 hours later to clean out more junk posts....
regarding ENYO's threads. Him and i have traded pm's and we have agreed to leave the threads closed until he can post some evidence or links regarding his work. If i just reopen them, you trolls and flamers are just gonna start up again, so his threads remain closed until then.
@blobloblaw1 I don't appreciate you opening threads regarding this topic. i know you can discuss this and you aren't breaking any rules but i think you know this is just gonna start more flaming and ultimatly end up in a flame war.

joshkoss said:
@blobloblaw1 I don't appreciate you opening threads regarding this topic. i know you can discuss this and you aren't breaking any rules but i think you know this is just gonna start more flaming and ultimatly end up in a flame war.
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I'd prefer to have the conversation and hope that we are all mature enough to handle it rather than stifle discussion because we fear that something annoying might happen. Regardless, discussion on the issue will happen and if that discussion isn't here, it's going to spill over into the ROM threads. Off topic chatter in ROM threads is infinitely more annoying in most people's opinions.
I guess the news that has come out is that the threads were only closed due to OP (Enyo) asking them to be closed. So anyway, this is more of a non-happening than it seemed.

joshkoss said:
I agree with you man... specially the last part that i bolded and underlined...
but it turns out most/all of these threads turn into people trolling or flaming. it is really really starting to get out of hand and i am getting tired of deleting posts by the tens. and then coming back to the same thread 2 hours later to clean out more junk posts....
regarding ENYO's threads. Him and i have traded pm's and we have agreed to leave the threads closed until he can post some evidence or links regarding his work. If i just reopen them, you trolls and flamers are just gonna start up again, so his threads remain closed until then.
@blobloblaw1 I don't appreciate you opening threads regarding this topic. i know you can discuss this and you aren't breaking any rules but i think you know this is just gonna start more flaming and ultimatly end up in a flame war.
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fwiw, (and this is just me talking out loud about my own preferences) hype threads shouldnt be allowed or be limited or something
the vast majority of trolling/flaming results from them
i consider myself a legit developer (although xda doesnt seem to want to recognize me as such currently but w/e) and at best ill occasionally put sneak peak pics/coming soon stuff in existing rom threads that i alread maintain....i dont start 5 bazillion threads with ridiculous claims like 243/79ths of the community use my teams work, or just hype up roms that may or may not see the light of day
granted i enjoy the lulz that are associated with all of it, but it seems the main problem isnt going away, which is one particular individual constantly repeating his/hers same mistakes

just label his as waste of time

airbus360

I've decided to post this regardless of the potential consequences to my membership here. To the mods, you've now closed airbus360's ICS thread despite a final warning to members that continued off-topic posts in violation of forum policy would be enforced. Despite this, instead, mods have locked the entire thread. This site has progressively become a zoo and TBH it is the fault of the site staff.
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SaneinOne said:
I've decided to post this regardless of the potential consequences to my membership here. To the mods, you've now closed airbus360's ICS thread despite a final warning to members that continued off-topic posts in violation of forum policy would be enforced. Despite this, instead, mods have locked the entire thread. This site has progressively become a zoo and TBH it is the fault of the site staff.
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Personally its idiotic posters who wreck the forum .
not saying this is an idiotic post as i dont know the subject in question .
One has only to read posts on the forum to realize its hard to be a developers forum when its full of kindergarten users .
Mods don't get paid and there are few if any volunteers from the mass of users .
jje

codeworkx sums it up for you in one of the last posts in that thread. I believe it wasn't closed because of spam, rather an incompetent, donation requesting developer giving false hopes to the uninformed.

I fully understand this having direct experience with forum admin/mod duties on, dare I say, BlackBerry forums. Idiotic posts are specifically for site staff to manage, the continued bantering allowed in response to an individual idiotic post is a significant contributor, as is the elitist attitudes of some. That's all I'm saying (P.S. Your username seems familiar to me...).
JJEgan said:
Personally its idiotic posters who wreck the forum .
not saying this is an idiotic post as i dont know the subject in question .
One has only to read posts on the forum to realize its hard to be a developers forum when its full of kindergarten users .
Mods don't get paid and there are few if any volunteers from the mass of users .
jje
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Crachel (site moderator) gave this warning before closing the thread.
'Wow, cifs module affects wifi? I'm more amazed everyday at this thread and the absolute nonsense being spewed from here. Your claims of what you're fixing would be in the kernel making your next "release" require source per GPL. So go ahead and upload/link that too or I'm locking this thread to put these noobs out of their misery'.
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P.S. Your not a lemming, people don't NEED to donate anything, and to be honest, no disrespect, but codeworkx now jumping in and essentially hijacking the thread I'm sure is against forum policy as well. No I'm ready to be crucified lmao.
oinkylicious said:
codeworkx sums it up for you in one of the last posts in that thread. I believe it wasn't closed because of spam, rather an incompetent, donation requesting developer giving false hopes to the uninformed.
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site staff should make it mandatory to display every users age, then we can really see how young those people are.

Did you guys really think that one lone developer would be able to pull off something the entire Hacksung team wasn't able to do (without kernel sources?)
What codeworkx did what right, IMO.

What XDA needs is more serious developers, not little kids trying to do something that's way beyond their reach. I've read nearly all the pages in that thread and it was a complete joke. I'm so glad that thread got locked.
All I saw from airbus was asking for donations, asking for other people to compile the builds, posts about failed builds and some pretty embarrasing theories as to why something wasn't working.
I'm all for this site being a learning ground for everyone who wants to develop, but there should be a special section for that. He is just not experienced enough to pull off a fully working ICS AOSP ROM for the GS2, and with that in mind, he shouldn't be allowed to pull wool over all the users' eyes.

Cool down bro .... nothings lost ! both teamhacksung and airbus are all at the same level so unless sammy can give them a proper workable build none of those guys are gonna fork out anything usable.
No one apart from sammy can fix stuff on there devices as the kernel source is still closed sourced so i would say at this point , there no use in ranting on why a ASOP or CM rom is not released or closed ! ...
I you still want to vent your anger vent at sammy for not releasing the source.

First of all, the thread was not a dev thread, it was a "dogs and cats in heat" hostage situation. 156 pages of nothing, over nothing and for nothing. While I can't comment on Airbus360's competence, he did stirred the waters by achieving a decent build of ICS - though no audio,cameras and SD. It doesn't matter how he did it- it's all part of GPL game. Saying that wifi is broken because of cifs.ko(or whatever cifs was he talking about) provided some clues for the devs.
Codeworkx said what he said, so if that's true, the work of Airbus360 can be replicated easily in a matter of minutes - given the fact that everybody coming here should have a clue about github and kernels.
What DOES matter is how people expect XDA to be a community for all.
IT IS NOT. IT HAS NEVER BEEN, NOR WILL IT BE.
It's open for a lot to read and here,@reading, it all should be stopped. Read, read, understand, read more and maybe, maybe then, post something, post something USEFUL. We don't pay for servers, nor we see a flood of banners here.
It's not a Sammy/HTC/ HP support forum.

2 things killing the sgs2 forum
Increasing number of:
1. n00b devs asking for donations for kanging
2. n00bs that just wont read
The culprits are getting away with it, on a daily basis.

s2d4 said:
2 things killing the sgs2 forum
Increasing number of:
1. n00b devs asking for donations for kanging
2. n00bs that just wont read
The culprits are getting away with it, on a daily basis.
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This is unfortunately true in particular your second point, the same questions being asked over and over again, even last year on the HD2 forums we had this issue but it's become much worse in 2011 and i think when newbies register they should have be given a list of FAQ's and told to search the forum for any questions they might have where the chances are they will find the answer and only if they cant then start a thread where people will help, failure to do that should result in infractions leading to bannings,it may sound harsh but i believe it would be effective.

Well I am of the mindset to simply provide a noob with a reply or information regarding their question while others choose to gang up, berate and rudely direct them to search for themselves, c'est la vie. All of this contributes to a cluttered and chaotic thread. We were all noobs once, remember that.
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This is what I was partly referring to, mods provided a final warning that infractions would be handed down to individual users, instead the entire thread was closed. Make up your minds.
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This is unfortunately true in particular your second point, the same questions being asked over and over again, even last year on the HD2 forums we had this issue but it's become much worse in 2011 and i think when newbies register they should have be given a list of FAQ's and told to search the forum for any questions they might have where the chances are they will find the answer and only if they cant then start a thread where people will help, failure to do that should result in infractions leading to bannings,it may sound harsh but i believe it would be effective.
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SaneinOne said:
We were all noobs once, remember that
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Unfortunately whilst we're all indeed noobs once, some of us read and search, rather than post new threads.

I've been following airbus twitter for quite a while now and something that bothered me after some time was the numerous attempts for donations while the progress was none... saying that he needed more ram... showing his laptop going berserk while compiling... posting pictures and links of the new computer he needed... and his progress was always two steps behind cm9 while he owes me nothing and
i respect his work even though he didn't accomplished nothing new he's learning from the experience and i had some fun following him on twitter. the subliminal donation messages became very annoying after a while... and why post a dozen threads of alpha roms where none is daily material ? i don't understand it ...
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to add my opinion here, airbus never asked for a donation directly or never gave assurance that he will fix all the existing problems. Normally its the othe forum members who flooded the thread with ETA and some OT discussion. preferably the mod could have cleaned the thread instead of closing it, i feel like a growing dev is being supressed. no offense to any one, just my opinion though

SaneinOne said:
This is what I was partly referring to, mods provided a final warning that infractions would be handed down to individual users, instead the entire thread was closed. Make up your minds.
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Learn to read, even in your own thread.
sxi200 said:
Crachel (site moderator) gave this warning before closing the thread.
'Wow, cifs module affects wifi? I'm more amazed everyday at this thread and the absolute nonsense being spewed from here. Your claims of what you're fixing would be in the kernel making your next "release" require source per GPL. So go ahead and upload/link that too or I'm locking this thread to put these noobs out of their misery'.
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oinkylicious said:
codeworkx sums it up for you in one of the last posts in that thread. I believe it wasn't closed because of spam, rather an incompetent, donation requesting developer giving false hopes to the uninformed.
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WArning was given at 5.21 pm and thread closed at 6.30 pm, isnt that too short for a warning?

[Discussion] CheckROM

THREAD IS MOVED HERE http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=28131167&posted=1#post28131167
Considering there is no support to anyone using CheckROM on XDA as the thread was closed. I have created this thread for people to list issues with the ROM or any themes, fixes or general ROM related problems.
I tried this once before a moment ago but it was closed by conantroutman because he is a really cool guy and obviously incredibly intelligent and knows exactly what has happened.
Originally Posted by uppon2
Under what rights did you close that thread? It was a general discussion thread for CheckROM.
General discussion means anything general. I believe you have no grounds to stand on closing that thread. Prove me wrong
First of all, this "general discussion" thread is nothing more than a thinly veiled excuse for you to rant about the fact that this particular ROM is not being updated as quickly as you would like and/or because the developers have decided to focus on a newer device over the SGSII. That is their decision, deal with it.
As for the problem with checkrom.com, that's a checkrom.com issue not an XDA-Developers issue. Take it up via the proper channels. (Hint, XDA is not the proper channel)
As I said before, if you have an issue with somebody, resolve it via PM. Due to the way you have chosen to word the OP this thread would only lead to you being flamed and we wouldn't want that now would we?.
This is a development forum, not a place for gossip and idle chit chat.
These are the grounds upon which I stand, consider yourself proven wrong.
I appreciate that you're a little miffed so here's a particularly adorable kitten to cheer you up. Have a nice day.
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You forgot to post this PM I also sent to you
Uppon2 = I don't need to contact anybody by PM by the way? Why would I need to do that. I am just laying out the truth in a general fashion. I think every man and his dog have sent them many PMs and requests for an explanation about their lies. Don't come along all high and mighty without reason dude.
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He never responded to either of my PMs even considering that is what to do first. Instead he posted it in the thread like a hero and gave me no chance to defend myself.
I was never trying to say anything else other than GadgetCheck and Leomar hyped up an unreleased ROM encouraged people to donate and took donations only to not actually do anything they said they were going to do. They have a donate button for a reason. To encourage further development (Which was already told was happening months ago) and to also give them a pat on their backs for what they have done already. I know for a fact many users donated solely on the fact there was going to be an ICS release as soon as jkay was ready and then again in June (Both times it never happened)
Now you can close this thread again, you can ban me, mute me and do anthing your powers provide. It is just solidifying my argument about CheckROM and proving that you're a macho moderator.
I am putting money on it that this thread will be closed. THERE IS NO REASON TO CLOSE IT. I'm not taking peoples money and running. Let the public speak.
I am not trying to get unbanned from checkrom.com I don't even care, my point was to strengthen my original argument of being mislead. And proved it I did
If you had actually read everything in my original thread you would have still closed it but you wouldn't have replied the way you did mate.

I posted this here on purpose to get the attention of certain people. I do apologise for my actions and I was a bit of a douche

If you have a problem with a moderator, take it up with the moderator committee, instead of creating a thread in a development section.
Cheers.

Forum rules

As a member of this forum it is with a heavy heart I have to refer people to the rules posted. Specifically rule number 5 which stating members should post a message only once. This i believe means not only once in the chosen forum but means not to cross post either. It is time consuming and tedious to read messages posted across various threads and clutters the website.
Thanks for taking time to read this and the rules at the url below
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7199177
Have a nice day
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Well yes i agree but its better to report such posts to a mod .
This post will do nothing to stop the multiple posters they just don't care and want fix my phone now or you show me how to install a rom i don't want to read how .
jje

I don't want to report people! I believe we should be willing to give people the benefit of the doubt and offer to show a better way first, then report if necessary. We were all new here once and didn't know the rules.

alchopop said:
I don't want to report people! I believe we should be willing to give people the benefit of the doubt and offer to show a better way first, then report if necessary. We were all new here once and didn't know the rules.
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You actually should report posts/threads that break the rules. Usually if the person is not someone that does it often nothing will happen except they will be reminded of the rules unless they are someone who constantly is breaking the rules then they will get either an official warning or an infraction. We would rather people report posts/threads

Welcome to XDA... just kidding. But yeah, what graffix said.
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alchopop said:
I don't want to report people! I believe we should be willing to give people the benefit of the doubt and offer to show a better way first, then report if necessary. We were all new here once and didn't know the rules.
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If someone breaks the rules then they should be reported whether they are new or not. The rules should be read when you join so not knowing the rules is no excuse.
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because making a thread about the rules while linking another thread about the rules.......is how we should really do things.
Booooooooooo

Oh, come on. Hardly anyone will read this.
Reporting posts that violate any rule, written or unwritten, is actually helping the mods. Even if they are up to their asses with reports, it helps them if you report every single post that you feel violates any rule.

graffixnyc said:
You actually should report posts/threads that break the rules. Usually if the person is not someone that does it often nothing will happen except they will be reminded of the rules unless they are someone who constantly is breaking the rules then they will get either an official warning or an infraction. We would rather people report posts/threads
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As someone who has been around XDA for a while, I've noticed that over the past year or two this doesn't seem to be the case so much anymore. I hate to be so negative, but lately it seems that the simple "report this post" or even PM's directly to the moderator do little good. In many cases, it takes a person to stick their neck out and publically and LOUDLY post the problem before it's handled. Yes, I've done it several times.
I have my own opinions on why this is happening, but those opinions would probably be better discussed in another forum.
What would be nice would be if XDA Moderators would find a set of rules and enforce them across all subforums in regards to all users. Currently, it seems like if 5 people do the exact same thing wrong, 3 will have their thread locked, 1 will get an infraction, and 1 won't even get a warning.
Take care
Gary

^^^^^^........tells moderator how to do his job

All i can say is i try not to post a rude comment and report every post that i feel is against the rules to a mod . Have to say action is taken on the majority .
Looks like mods are rather busy and have another life outside of modding XDA .
Noticeable also that its not the noobs posting wrong posts but users with 50 - 100 posts .
jje

i report posts/threads frequently, a mod has always actioned it within a day at most...i cant fault the reporting tool
But i aslo agree that more people need to actually read the rules...how you get that to happen, i dont know...