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I dropped my tabby lightly today (something that Doesn't happen). despite it being in a case, I managed to scratch the corner up pretty nasty and unclip the clips holding the back plate in the corner. Wow.
A few minutes later totally unrelated (I hope), I felt that the center of my screen very warm. I took off the case to check the temperature in the back, behind the case where it cant ventilate and Wow! it's running hot! mostly Under the ffc and close to the left side of the tablet holding it landscape. I wasn't even doing anything heavy.
So yeah. I love this thing but I gotta say. I hate the choice of materials here Samsung, Plastic just isn't right for a 500 $ flagship. I gotta say, I'm pretty amazed with the gps on this thing though. .. I know it wouldn't be possible without the plastic construction. I gotta wonder why the compass is so bad though.
Anyway, thats my rant for the day. enjoy.
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What kind of case was it so we can prevent this from happening to anyone else?
Also which part of your tab hit the ground. Though i feel for you and your tab, a lesson can be learned from this on how (if ever) in an event you drop your device, how to drop it "the right way" to avoid damage such as this.
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I dropped my tabby lightly today (something that Doesn't happen). despite it being in a case, I managed to scratch the corner up pretty nasty and unclip the clips holding the back plate in the corner. Wow.
A few minutes later totally unrelated (I hope), I felt that the center of my screen very warm. I took off the case to check the temperature in the back, behind the case where it cant ventilate and Wow! it's running hot! mostly Under the ffc and close to the left side of the tablet holding it landscape. I wasn't even doing anything heavy.
So yeah. I love this thing but I gotta say. I hate the choice of materials here Samsung, Plastic just isn't right for a 500 $ flagship. I gotta say, I'm pretty amazed with the gps on this thing though. .. I know it wouldn't be possible without the plastic construction. I gotta wonder why the compass is so bad though.
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If it were a metal back that's tightly bonded to the frame your post would be about how easily the screen cracks. My OG G-Tab 10.1 got run over by an "excuse the cart" after it fell out of my briefcase at DFW airport. It survived unscathed. You spin the wheel and take your chances.
younix258 said:
I dropped my tabby lightly today (something that Doesn't happen). despite it being in a case, I managed to scratch the corner up pretty nasty and unclip the clips holding the back plate in the corner. Wow.
A few minutes later totally unrelated (I hope), I felt that the center of my screen very warm. I took off the case to check the temperature in the back, behind the case where it cant ventilate and Wow! it's running hot! mostly Under the ffc and close to the left side of the tablet holding it landscape. I wasn't even doing anything heavy.
So yeah. I love this thing but I gotta say. I hate the choice of materials here Samsung, Plastic just isn't right for a 500 $ flagship. I gotta say, I'm pretty amazed with the gps on this thing though. .. I know it wouldn't be possible without the plastic construction. I gotta wonder why the compass is so bad though.
Anyway, thats my rant for the day. enjoy.
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I wouldn't have another metal one. They don't give for the screen and moreover, just check how poor wifi and gps signals are on tablets that are made of all metal... such as the TF201... or even more famous tablets...
Well how about wood? Jk idk.. maybe thicker plastic, or a metal structure/bezel with plastic for the back. The iPad feels pretty solid though so idk if metal is always bad.
My case is a poetic faux leather case.. I think it had 'slim' in the name.
It slipped off my car's seat thanks to my dumb disobedient cat and landed right on that corner
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Well how about wood?
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That's one of the funniest things I've seen posted in a long time. Touche.
Lol I could throw my Note across the room and it would be fine. My case is excellent.
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Love the materials rants. First week I dropped my n7k from about 5 ft with only a thin elago case and a screen protector of course and it lands face Down on rough gravel and only a tiny Nick on the very outer bezel between screen protector and case . Nice job Sammy . Last week a co worker drops her iPhone 4 like 3 ft on flat asphalt and crack screen . Hahaha get what you pay for I guess . ....
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So this thread is about you dropping your Note and blaming Samsung for the damage. Seems legit.
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So this thread is about you dropping your Note and blaming Samsung for the damage. Seems legit.
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Why not? We don't want to be the only XDA forum not griping about devices being damaged when we drop them.
SGS3 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1716425
One X - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1606088
TF700 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1803345
younix258 said:
I dropped my tabby lightly today (something that Doesn't happen). despite it being in a case, I managed to scratch the corner up pretty nasty and unclip the clips holding the back plate in the corner. Wow.
A few minutes later totally unrelated (I hope), I felt that the center of my screen very warm. I took off the case to check the temperature in the back, behind the case where it cant ventilate and Wow! it's running hot! mostly Under the ffc and close to the left side of the tablet holding it landscape. I wasn't even doing anything heavy.
So yeah. I love this thing but I gotta say. I hate the choice of materials here Samsung, Plastic just isn't right for a 500 $ flagship. I gotta say, I'm pretty amazed with the gps on this thing though. .. I know it wouldn't be possible without the plastic construction. I gotta wonder why the compass is so bad though.
Anyway, thats my rant for the day. enjoy.
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Sorry to hear. My luck, thankfully, has been different. Dropped mine twice now and nothing wrong. Both times were without a case. Finally got a case and no drops since.
You should know for the asus transformer prime that metal backs are more pretty than functional.
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Well from what I understand though I am not an expert on this the plastic material is better then metals on Ipad as it can absorb most of the shock bot none the less because of the weight of the tablet you will damage it no matter how lightly it is dropped but that said I have a micromax tablet which has been droped kicked around by my sisters kids to an extent where the casing has cracked but tablet is still running
I sugguest you look at rubber casing because they have the tendency to absorb shock more then anything else only draw back they do not look fancy
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Well from what I understand though I am not an expert on this the plastic material is better then metals on Ipad as it can absorb most of the shock bot none the less because of the weight of the tablet you will damage it no matter how lightly it is dropped but that said I have a micromax tablet which has been droped kicked around by my sisters kids to an extent where the casing has cracked but tablet is still running
I sugguest you look at rubber casing because they have the tendency to absorb shock more then anything else only draw back they do not look fancy
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I guess the . and , keys fell off during the impact. :laugh:
once and forever: Samsung devices are cased in polycarbonate and not plastic !!!!!! And this material is used in aircraft and space engineering, it is light and robust and exceeds cheap aluminum in most parameters !!!!!!
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycarbonate
I do not know how you define plastic, but that sounds like plastic. It is the other way around. We are flying in plastic planes . And I do not think that planes are built out of the same polycarbonates than this tablet. That is far too simplistic.
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once and forever
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That's what you said last time.
Ok This is getting personal lets stick to the issue and irrespective of what material a tablet is made of it will sustain damage if it is dropped its not drop proof so handle with care
samir_a said:
Ok This is getting personal lets stick to the issue and irrespective of what material a tablet is made of it will sustain damage if it is dropped its not drop proof so handle with care
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Sorry, you're wrong. This is a long standing quote that I was kidding the OP about. Also, this is the one forum that I have rarely seen it get personal. Nothing to be concerned about here. :good:
For sure the note 10.1 feels like the cheapest device I have ever got , (in materials and build quality) specially the back blue plastic cover, but if it wasn't made like this it would have been allot heavier and very expensive so get a silicon case or something for it, forget about its build quality and enjoy the real power underhood
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I have seen some magnets that attach to the case of a phone then connect to a metal plate on the car or one that connects to the vents of the car. Does anyone make one strong enough to securely hold the Nexus 4 with a heavy duty case?
I have Tetrax Xway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awh6QP8-BBE
What would be even cooler, a magnetic car mount that's a charger like the mystical ORB that Google never released
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I have Tetrax Xway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awh6QP8-BBE
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Can you tell me the diameter of the circle that goes onto the back of the phone? The case I have for my Nexus 4 has circles on the back of it where the silicone skin sticks through.
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Can you tell me the diameter of the circle that goes onto the back of the phone? The case I have for my Nexus 4 has circles on the back of it where the silicone skin sticks through.
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I can't remember the exact sizes, but when I bought mine, it came with a few different-sized metal tabs, so you'd have a small variety to choose from.
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I can't remember the exact sizes, but when I bought mine, it came with a few different-sized metal tabs, so you'd have a small variety to choose from.
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That's good to know
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Can you tell me the diameter of the circle that goes onto the back of the phone? The case I have for my Nexus 4 has circles on the back of it where the silicone skin sticks through.
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Thanks for the excellent info. I ended up ordering the Xway, a single button to stick somewhere else, and I found an accessory pack with 6 more sticky magnets to place around!
I really need to stop buying stuff for my phone, but I swear it's addicting! :victory:
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Thanks for the excellent info. I ended up ordering the Xway, a single button to stick somewhere else, and I found an accessory pack with 6 more sticky magnets to place around!
I really need to stop buying stuff for my phone, but I swear it's addicting! :victory:
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do you need to put magnets on your phone/case for the xway to work?
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do you need to put magnets on your phone/case for the xway to work?
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Yes, it looks like it sticks on with adhesive to the back of the phone.
Yes that is exactly how it works. The adhesive does not work on some cases so I have sometimes used crazy glue. I've tried a lot of systems for in car mounting and this is by far the best in my opinion.
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X-Way is great for using vents as your mounting point, but if you want to mount it ANYWHERE you want, then get the FIX-WAY.
I have something simple and a lot cheaper, you might want to consider.
Cellet Magnetic Holder
Here's a youtube video which might explain it better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpVahSd3PHU
I can attest that the magnet is extremely strong. The phone will not move at all through any bumps when driving. You stick the magnet to the back of your Nexus 4. I never took off the protective back skin that came with the nexus, so I didn't mind sticking the magnet to the back of the phone. On top of that I use the Diztronic protective case covering the back of the phone. Since that case covers the entire back of the phone, it covers the magnet and you can't even tell I have the magnet on at all. the magnet still works great through the protective case and still extremely strong.
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I have something simple and a lot cheaper, you might want to consider.
Cellet Magnetic Holder
Here's a youtube video which might explain it better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpVahSd3PHU
I can attest that the magnet is extremely strong. The phone will not move at all through any bumps when driving. You stick the magnet to the back of your Nexus 4. I never took off the protective back skin that came with the nexus, so I didn't mind sticking the magnet to the back of the phone. On top of that I use the Diztronic protective case covering the back of the phone. Since that case covers the entire back of the phone, it covers the magnet and you can't even tell I have the magnet on at all. the magnet still works great through the protective case and still extremely strong.
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From the reviews it is larger, but stronger maybe. I ordered one in case I can use them together or the other one is not strong enough.
I built a magnetic car dock for the nexus4 that I'm now selling.
http://www.makemobileinnovations.com/nexus4.htm
Here's a video of one of the prototypes showing how it works. The production version works the same except the magnet is stronger and it has cutouts for headphones, mic, camera, and speaker.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut6LzQSiAlM
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008IOQ3K6?ie=UTF8&force-full-site=1&ref_=aw_bottom_links
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Does anyone know if applying the magnet directly to the back of the phone, will that STOP NFC from working?
I like the magnet idea but the location would disable inductive charging as well
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Does anyone know if applying the magnet directly to the back of the phone, will that STOP NFC from working?
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The magnet does not but the metal plate on the back of the phone does break nfc. Check out this review by an n4 user:
http://www.amazon.com/Cradle-less-Q...e=UTF8&filterBy=addThreeStar&showViewpoints=0
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lifeisfun said:
I like the magnet idea but the location would disable inductive charging as well
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There is a metal plate at the back of the phone or underneath the case....not a magnet...
Metal may have a better effect on inductive charging....rather than hampering it...but this is just my guess...it may disable inductive charging as well....
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i have to tetrax x way too.. the metal bump does not interfere with nfc..
http://www.niteize.com/collection/steelie.asp
Everyone in my family has one. it's awesome
Having come from the HTC one S in black I am well versed in chipping problems on metal HTC phones, I have the One now in black and have noticed the first chip in the chamfered edge on the top, if it was the silver version I wouldn't have even noticed but the metal underneath appears a bronze type colour.
I haven't dropped the device and it is only ever in my pocket and I have a nilkin case but it doesn't protect the front edge. I hope this isn't the start of another saga... :crying:
I have 2 scrapes/chips on mine also and it hasn;t been dropped or bumped. Always kept in its own pocket etc..boo
Mines fine, nothing to report so far.
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packetlos said:
Having come from the HTC one S in black I am well versed in chipping problems on metal HTC phones, I have the One now in black and have noticed the first chip in the chamfered edge on the top, if it was the silver version I wouldn't have even noticed but the metal underneath appears a bronze type colour.
I haven't dropped the device and it is only ever in my pocket and I have a nilkin case but it doesn't protect the front edge. I hope this isn't the start of another saga... :crying:
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bleary said:
I have 2 scrapes/chips on mine also and it hasn;t been dropped or bumped. Always kept in its own pocket etc..boo
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You're a 'Pics or GTFO' kind of guy aren't you ?
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Yep, a photo would definitely help everyone to look out for these chippings
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Hard to see as taken with a nexus 4 but definitely visible to the naked eye and I hope not the start of one of many
That's probably dust, blow it and will go away
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That's probably dust, blow it and will go away
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Dude thats not even a chipping....
BUY A PERMANENT GREY/BLACK MARKER for METAL SURFACES at your local pen shop and cover it up, should be invisible and will be good to cure other chippings too.
Oh man! That looks disgusting! I would go for a replacement!
But seriously - no. This is nothing. Let's get some things straight - "premium" feel of aluminum comes at a cost. Aluminum is soft, other stuff in the world is hard. Tiny speck of sand can do such a "damage". So just chill and accept your losses. iPhones 5 were more chipped out of the box.
You really can't eat a cookie and have a cookie. Just accept that no matter how you protect your phone, it will get damaged. You can always completely cover it with a plastic case either to protect it completely or to cover the chipped part if it is ssuch an issue.
I wonder how long it will take people to undertand that "premium" materials have a premium feel and premium look out of the box, but there is nothing premium about their durability. Industrial devices are made to excel in durability. Anodized aluminum and glass are the last materials of choice.
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Oh man! That looks disgusting! I would go for a replacement!
But seriously - no. This is nothing. Let's get some things straight - "premium" feel of aluminum comes at a cost. Aluminum is soft, other stuff in the world is hard. Tiny speck of sand can do such a "damage". So just chill and accept your losses. iPhones 5 were more chipped out of the box.
You really can't eat a cookie and have a cookie. Just accept that no matter how you protect your phone, it will get damaged. You can always completely cover it with a plastic case either to protect it completely or to cover the chipped part if it is ssuch an issue.
I wonder how long it will take people to undertand that "premium" materials have a premium feel and premium look out of the box, but there is nothing premium about their durability. Industrial devices are made to excel in durability. Anodized aluminum and glass are the last materials of choice.
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not the silver one, it wont scratch as easily
anyway what do we expect, if you read anandtech's review of the iPhone 5 you would understand this is a physical issue
however it can be countered by a some sort of nano coating which i am yet to see applied on a flagship phone
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Hard to see as taken with a nexus 4 but definitely visible to the naked eye and I hope not the start of one of many
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no gaps on the black version confirmed!
Chip is if you see the white aluminium base. This is not a chip. I know chips, my HTC One S bounced 3 times on the ground and got 4 chips. (and luckily screen didn't shatter lol)
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Chip is if you see the white aluminium base. This is not a chip. I know chips, my HTC One S bounced 3 times on the ground and got 4 chips. (and luckily screen didn't shatter lol)
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You can see a base, I am not worried about this tiny chip, what I am worried about is if it is the start of something bigger like the One S. It seems HTC industrial designers have not learned their lesson when it comes to coatings and sharp metal edges.
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Having come from the HTC one S in black I am well versed in chipping problems on metal HTC phones, I have the One now in black and have noticed the first chip in the chamfered edge on the top, if it was the silver version I wouldn't have even noticed but the metal underneath appears a bronze type colour.
I haven't dropped the device and it is only ever in my pocket and I have a nilkin case but it doesn't protect the front edge. I hope this isn't the start of another saga... :crying:
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Looks to me like it didn't anodize properly in that tiny spot. When you say that is shows bronze underneath, that tells me that it did get anodized in that spot, but the growth (yes anodizing could be considered a growth) was not uniform with the rest of the product.
If you didn't know, the anodized coating is similar to microscopic "tubes" that grow on the surface of the aluminum. These tiny "tubes" hold dye to give you the desired color. When you anodize something and it doesn't get enough growth, the color will be less saturated... literally. Hence the bronze color underneath. Think of the color of a black sharpie that is more or less dead... when it is new, it will draw nice and black, when it gets old and dried out, it will give you that faded "bronze" color.
In the end, these "tubes" are sealed holding the color in... I have attached 2 pics to give you a better idea what the coating really is.
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Chip is if you see the white aluminium base. This is not a chip. I know chips, my HTC One S bounced 3 times on the ground and got 4 chips. (and luckily screen didn't shatter lol)
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In the end, these "tubes" are sealed holding the color in... I have attached 2 pics to give you a better idea what the coating really is.
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Thank you tnEVo, that is a brilliant explaination of how it works.
Silver scratches or dents as easily it's just less noticable.
The problem is not really the color or anodizing when it is of good quality (=thick anodizing and hard aluminium, theres several grades of industrial aluminium and anodizing, cheap ones like on the iphone 5 and sturdy ones that are 3 to 10 times priciers, I don't know yet which one is used on the one), the problem is the chamfered edges.
90° angles are very vulnerable to denting/crushing/impacts and scuffing because thats where the aluminium is thinnest, at the top of each chamfered corners there is the thinnest ever peak of aluminium, and that peak gets damaged the first be it black, or silver or anything because it is the thinnest part of aluminium of the phone (cutting the top of a pyramid is easier than the bottom right ?).
"Now, after using the phone for more than a week, I can say it’s surely one of the best phones out there, if not the best. It’s got issues, for example, with the pretty finish chipping off, but I’m been very impressed in other areas like battery life and camera."
from one of the reviews online
Afternoon peeps
I have discovered something a little concerning about the XZ.
I clean my phone on a regular basis of fingerprints and dust, today I noticed the little rubber covers were dirty around the sill so I decided to clean them. with a cloth I wiped down the phones glass slabs and then wiped the rubber gaskets as with these ports there are nooks and cranies where dirt can get so I got out the compressed air to blow out any small particles.
To my horror the phone inflated making the screen and the back glass flex out off the phone like a balloon, I was sure I was seeing this so i held the phone in a manner where i could watch the reflection on the glass and sure enough it's bending to accommodate the compressed air. This may explain the glass being very sturdy to drops due to this flex, but how thick is it if it bends so easily?
For reference I was using canned compressed air, not a high powered high compressor.
I thought I'd share with the community about this, I suppose it shows it's water tight as it didn't escape out a gap etc.
Either way i'm a little shocked at the glass thickness.
has this ever happened to you with a different cell phone?
Any photo evidence of bubble phone?
That sounds like the battery expanding. It could indicate a faulty battery.
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As I said gentlemen, the phone expands with the air pressure from the compressed air canister. The phone returned to its original shape as soon as I stopped spraying the air.
This isn't a case of the phone staying like it, but seeing glass flex that much is worrying
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As I said gentlemen, the phone expands with the air pressure from the compressed air canister. The phone returned to its original shape as soon as I stopped spraying the air.
This isn't a case of the phone staying like it, but seeing glass flex that much is worrying
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I would much rather see it flex alot then shatter personally. If it can take as much abuse as you say then it simply makes me more confident in its ability to survive damage
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Not surprising, if it bellows out then that means its perfectly sealed. Other IP57 phones would do the same.
Try doing it with a non-IP57 phone and there are plenty of gaps for the air to escape..
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Not surprising, if it bellows out then that means its perfectly sealed. Other IP57 phones would do the same.
Try doing it with a non-IP57 phone and there are plenty of gaps for the air to escape..
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Yeah. Because the phone's shell is sealed. So nothing comes in means nothing will come out.
The phone itself uses thin glass and is flexible. I remember the YouTube videos of the Korean guy who bent his Z into an arc shape (it was fine). So yeah, I'd say what you are seeing is correct.
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Perhaps it's just me, but i'm not used to the term flexible glass I still see glass as a rigid material so any flex seems out of character. It seems fine obviously after this but I just thought it would be solid inflexible etc.
I read the title of the post and got scared -_- lol. After reading it thought I fully understood what went on with the "balloon effect". The glass for these phones are amazing...very strong and flexible...like a pole dancer
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Perhaps it's just me, but i'm not used to the term flexible glass I still see glass as a rigid material so any flex seems out of character. It seems fine obviously after this but I just thought it would be solid inflexible etc.
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Inflexible glass would shatter the instant you dropped it from waist height on to any non carpeted surface.
The glass on the Z is much more intelligently designed and expensive than that.
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Agree with the above post. People are really taking the Glass by the conventional sense of the word. Windows and such. I much prefer the flexible variety. Which you may or may not know traces it's roots back to Roman times. Bit of useless information for you.
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Agree with the above post. People are really taking the Glass by the conventional sense of the word. Windows and such. I much prefer the flexible variety. Which you may or may not know traces it's roots back to Roman times. Bit if useless information for you.
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If you've ever been in your house in a storm with strong wind, the glass in your windows flexes just as much :good:
decadan1977 said:
Agree with the above post. People are really taking the Glass by the conventional sense of the word. Windows and such. I much prefer the flexible variety. Which you may or may not know traces it's roots back to Roman times. Bit of useless information for you.
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Totally.
And some people just don't know how tempered glass works.
I'm a builder and when we demo houses we throw hammers, bricks whatever we can find to smash tempered glass. 99% of the time everything just bounces off.
But tap the raw edge with a chisel and the whole pane literally explodes.
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i see you ride DH so lemme ask you this : is your visor flexible or not ? Yes it is... so it doesn't shatter on impact. the same applies to the glass ! Anything that is flexible is a-okay !
Ride safe !
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Either way i'm a little shocked at the glass thickness.
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People expect lightweight & affordable phones. If you take away those two factors, it would be easily possible to use more advanced materials, but your phone might be a couple of times more expensive and certainty a bit heavier.
Transparent Aluminium
so it really is that much water/air proof !! great
I'd only be concerned if it DIDN'T expand at least slightly. It just proves that it's properly sealed and air/water tight.
Blasting such a small device (or any device) with so many sensitive parts all located close to each other with any form of compressed air (be it canned or motorized compressor) is never a good idea. Unless you truly understand what you are doing and know what will happen as a result.
e.g. no consideration was taken into account that the device is water tight and therefore air tight; the effects of using compressed air on it could have been much more severe given there is no where for the air to depressurize. A bending case/glass is nothing compared to potentially cracking the LCD screen underneath the exterior glass.
An old (clean) toothbrush would probably be the better choice for your next spring cleaning session
This is the so called dragon trail glass I believe its a very strong and flexible glass. Do some research
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Edit: This is just a fun project. Every octa core phone throttles. That includes my S6. Its AnTuTu score from 5 back to back runs with similar 32C start ranges from 65K to 52K. That means a similar drop in performance. Also overheating & throttling are two very different things. Z3+ & S6 both throttle so that they don't get too hot (or 'overheat'). Glass backs on both don't help either, but I like them anyway. I was just trying to speed up the cooling process- not to cool down anything as the phone doesn't 'overheat' in the first place. You won't notice this throttling with regular usage & all these temperature numbers are for internal temp, not surface temp. I hope this clears up my intent. *End of Edit* 07/21/2015
This is probably the easiest way to decrease throttling during heavy CPU workload. All I had to do is insert few foil layers between the phone & TPU case. Attached picture shows plots from three scenarios - no case, just case, foil & case respectively. Oh, NFC will get blocked out by the foil. But I don't use it much anyway. Cheers.
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Very interesting thread, mate! It made my lazy as* to sign up just to post my results. Oh, I used this copper foil with a case. You won't need that much, btw lol
amazon dot com/Louis-Crafts-Copper-Foil-Inches/dp/B0042SWM98
My scores (normalized like yours) from 5 consecutive AnTuTu runs (& my initial temp was also a bit higher than yours)
Initial Temp (C) Score
0 34 100%
1 48.1 91.10%
2 49.1 86.86%
3 49.8 84.80%
4 50.1 83.00%
4K Test:
Outdoor-> 4 minutes in 96F / 35.5 degree Celsius weather (starting CPU temp was 37C as I was using few apps before the recording started )
Walked back home two minutes later and then
Indoor -> 9.5 minutes (CPU was still warm at 41C)
It really is the easiest fix ever for extreme users who use case anyway. Thanks!
nfs2010 said:
Oh, I used this copper foil with a case. You won't need that much, btw lol
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That's freakin' awesome, dude :good: I never knew copper foil existed. Since I can't afford diamond foil, I'll go with copper I'll take the whole roll though as people are (primarily) using it for shielding their guitar pickups. Thanks a lot for your tip.
Have you guys considered the fact that the phone might, and let me say it again, MIGHT get hotter because we're in summer and it's seriously hot outside? I just checked the forecast for Austin TX, OP's town according to his info, and he has 37C over there. I think that MIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT have something to do with the phone getting hotter than usual.
Just saying.
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This is probably the easiest way to decrease throttling during heavy CPU workload. All I had to do is insert few foil layers between the phone & TPU case. Attached picture shows plots from three scenarios - no case, just case, foil & case respectively. Oh, NFC will get blocked out by the foil. But I don't use it much anyway. Cheers.
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What do you think about putting foil around the actual battery? Some people have suggested putting paper around it. Does anyone think either of those things are safe?
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Have you guys considered the fact that the phone might, and let me say it again, MIGHT get hotter because we're in summer and it's seriously hot outside? I just checked the forecast for Austin TX, OP's town according to his info, and he has 37C over there. I think that MIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT have something to do with the phone getting hotter than usual.
Just saying.
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Yes, it's quite hot over here in ATX. I added an extra comment to my first post. I hope that makes things clear now.
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What do you think about putting foil around the actual battery? Some people have suggested putting paper around it. Does anyone think either of those things are safe?
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The foil will short out the internal components and your phone may get toasted . Please DO NOT try it. But I really wanted to open the back and put some thermal compound like this one. I'll try it some day!
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Yes, it's quite hot over here in ATX. I added an extra comment to my first post. I hope that makes things clear now.
The foil will short out the internal components and your phone may get toasted . Please DO NOT try it. But I really wanted to open the back and put some thermal compound like. I'll try it some day!
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Thanks I was very close to trying it out. Funny you should mention the thermal compound...there's a guy on YouTube who opened up the nexus 5 and put some on the CPU and a little piece of metal
heat sink. I have the thermal compound but I don't have the piece of heatsink to test it out so I haven't tried it. One day I'm going to try it though as I have a nexus 5.
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Thanks I was very close to trying it out. Funny you should mention the thermal compound...there's a guy on YouTube who opened up the nexus 5 and put some on the CPU and a little piece of metal
heat sink. I have the thermal compound but I don't have the piece of heatsink to test it out so I haven't tried it. One day I'm going to try it though as I have a nexus 5.
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That's great! You'll have better luck with the compound on the N5 as it has plastic back - I guess? On Z3+, I'll probably get bottle-necked by the glass back regardless of the internal enhancement. I could be wrong though if the heat sink goes all the way to metal side frame. It's certainly worth a shot.
As battery wrap, you'd probably want something that's thermally conductive AND electrically non-conductive.
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That's great! You'll have better luck with the compound on the N5 as it has plastic back - I guess? On Z3+, I'll probably get bottle-necked by the glass back regardless of the internal enhancement. I could be wrong though if the heat sink goes all the way to metal side frame. It's certainly worth a shot.
As battery wrap, you'd probably want something that's thermally conductive AND electrically non-conductive.
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Yea, there's got to be something you can wrap around a smartphone battery that could shield in the heat. I just bought an oppo find 7a and it has a removable back. Maybe some sort of insulation can be put on the inside back cover so your hands don't feel the heat when the phone heats up. Any ideas for either the battery and/or back cover? What's thermally conductive, but not electrically conductive?
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Yea, there's got to be something you can wrap around a smartphone battery that could shield in the heat. I just bought an oppo find 7a and it has a removable back. Maybe some sort of insulation can be put on the inside back cover so your hands don't feel the heat when the phone heats up. Any ideas for either the battery and/or back cover? What's thermally conductive, but not electrically conductive?
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I can't post links yet, but what about putting some cotton insulation inside the back case? I would think that might shield us from holding a hot phone. Also, what about reflective insulation tape? I think that might actually work. Thoughts?
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Yea, there's got to be something you can wrap around a smartphone battery that could shield in the heat. I just bought an oppo find 7a and it has a removable back. Maybe some sort of insulation can be put on the inside back cover so your hands don't feel the heat when the phone heats up. Any ideas for either the battery and/or back cover? What's thermally conductive, but not electrically conductive?
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I can't post links yet, but what about putting some cotton insulation inside the back case? I would think that might shield us from holding a hot phone. Also, what about reflective insulation tape? I think that might actually work. Thoughts?
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Wait, we're not on the same page. I was trying to avoid throttling (not shielding the heat). Z3+ back side heats up where the CPU seats (very small spot somewhere underneath the top row of icons). The idea was to take that heat and spread it laterally over a bigger surface area to speed up the cooling process. Without the foil, I still don't feel the heat as my fingers don't touch that hot spot. The foil also indirectly reduces the hot feel from that tiny spot as the heat gets spread more uniformly.
But your case sounds different. You want to avoid the heat from the battery (or the CPU) ? Battery already has a pretty big surface area. And you probably don't want to keep the heat inside by using thermal insulators as that can be very harmful for the battery. You probably want to establish an even faster heat transfer to the environment so that equilibrium point can be maintained at a lower surface temperature. Is that right? A metal back cover can help in that case.
Also here are some electrical insulators that are thermally conductive - but I'm not quite sure about the availability of those
https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...ductive-thermally-conductive-material.125368/
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Wait, we're not on the same page. I was trying to avoid throttling (not shielding the heat). Z3+ back side heats up where the CPU seats (very small spot somewhere underneath the top row of icons). The idea was to take that heat and spread it laterally over a bigger surface area to speed up the cooling process. Without the foil, I still don't feel the heat as my fingers don't touch that hot spot. The foil also indirectly reduces the hot feel from that tiny spot as the heat gets spread more uniformly.
But your case sounds different. You want to avoid the heat from the battery (or the CPU) ? Battery already has a pretty big surface area. And you probably don't want to keep the heat inside by using thermal insulators as that can be very harmful for the battery. You probably want to establish an even faster heat transfer to the environment so that equilibrium point can be maintained at a lower surface temperature. Is that right? A metal back cover can help in that case.
Also here are some electrical insulators that are thermally conductive - but I'm not quite sure about the availability of those :confused
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I've tried TPU cases, but I still feel the heat. Maybe a metal case would be better. These look interesting.
amazon(dot)com/gp/aw/d/B00HNKD6A6/ref=pd_aw_sbs_107_1?refRID=1VRK3Q399HJZXA2GHWCJ
amazon(dot)com/gp/aw/d/B00L71LNS4/ref=pd_aw_sbs_107_1?refRID=1BQ362P6XMYRJET82TFG
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I've tried TPU cases, but I still feel the heat. Maybe a metal case would be better. These look interesting.
amazon(dot)com/gp/aw/d/B00HNKD6A6/ref=pd_aw_sbs_107_1?refRID=1VRK3Q399HJZXA2GHWCJ
amazon(dot)com/gp/aw/d/B00L71LNS4/ref=pd_aw_sbs_107_1?refRID=1BQ362P6XMYRJET82TFG
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Interesting! So why does your battery heat up in the first place? Did you try to compare your battery temp (using CPU Z, etc) to others'? I thought battery only heats up during charging.
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Edit: This is just a fun project. Every octa core phone throttles.
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That was genius--thank you.
I've attached a heatsink with thermal paste (cheap one) to my nexus 4 once it didn't make a difference
too bad i sold it i can't try it with my Peltier (TEC)
and my note 4 here is cooler without my tough armor (ofc it is, that case is a monster) i think i bent my phone while taking it out will try it with foil as soon as i get one, hope it doesn't damage it :S
a copper plate would be better! or simply a thin heatsink
I tried this maybe a year ago, phone was a lot cooler but I lost my reception. I noticed this after few days, everyone thought something had happend because they couldn't reach me. I was busy gaming ?
Because the phone is opened from the back (http://www.witrigs.com/blog/sony-xperia-z4-teardown/) we should crowdfund a metal replacement made of aluminium but in the same glossy style and color the frame is and with a copper base which directly connects to the thermonuclear fusion core (aka Qualcomm) so that the heat is as best as possible transported from these to the whole backplate. The only difficulty will be the holes for the camera and LED light to be waterproof. And while we are at it, we could make the backplate a little bit ticker than the glass currently is so that the tiny height difference between the glass and the frame is gone too.
Ok, we can argue about the color and thickness but you get the idea. Should we do that? Once we got them funded we can sell them and get rich
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Because the phone is opened from the back (http://www.witrigs.com/blog/sony-xperia-z4-teardown/) we should crowdfund a metal replacement made of aluminium but in the same glossy style and color the frame is and with a copper base which directly connects to the thermonuclear fusion core (aka Qualcomm) so that the heat is as best as possible transported from these to the whole backplate. The only difficulty will be the holes for the camera and LED light to be waterproof. And while we are at it, we could make the backplate a little bit ticker than the glass currently is so that the tiny height difference between the glass and the frame is gone too.
Ok, we can argue about the color and thickness but you get the idea. Should we do that? Once we got them funded we can sell them and get rich
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That'd be excellent & throttling would probably be gone forever. I'm in But some dudes might mix up fast heat dissipation with 'overheating & throttling & battery drain' - all in one sentence The rear area that gets warm on Z3+ is actually very narrow & my fingers don't touch that part at all. But we've already seen a ridiculous amount of whining over that. Can you imagine the whining as we try to expand that dissipation area to get rid of throttling?
I think the thickness would be debatable as some may want to keep the slightly raised lips on the back to keep their phones from sliding around.
fredrik8 said:
I tried this maybe a year ago, phone was a lot cooler but I lost my reception. I noticed this after few days, everyone thought something had happend because they couldn't reach me. I was busy gaming
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lol - good point. It depends on the antenna placement - I think. I didn't experience any difference in reception. I usually get 0-1 bar at home. So I really didn't have anything to lose in the first place lol
If you do this and have the phone on max brightness, does it auto-dim when loading xda's website?
Due to all the ads and issues with the website it always causes the screens brightness to throttle when loading, and then go back to full brightness afterwards.
(Try loading a couple of different topics when doing this)