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Its my understandig that if you root your phone but don't flash a rom you will still be alerted when your carrier pushes out ota updates. Now my question is if I install a different kernel such as chevy's or something to allow me to overclock my dx will I still be alerted for carrier ota updates?
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crxin said:
Its my understandig that if you root your phone but don't flash a rom you will still be alerted when your carrier pushes out ota updates. Now my question is if I install a different kernel such as chevy's or something to allow me to overclock my dx will I still be alerted for carrier ota updates?
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You mean ROM not Kernel. (Kernel opens up a great deal of wounds, )
But the answer is no, you will not be able to update ota unless you flash back to stock ota sbf.
Just to add to what Steven58 said,
While it is true that loading a custom ROM will prevent you from receiving OTA updates, that's not necessarily a bad thing.
The dev's for those ROMs generally do a great job of keeping up with the latest /system files and updating their builds as necessary. Most likely any given custom ROM will have better functionality and stability than the stock Moto one anyway.
There are always some caveats and variables based on your own desires, but if the Stock Moto was done right, we wouldn't see so many popular ROM alternatives.
There will be cases when a new kernel (such as is the case with the most recent OTA .340) is released that you will need to either get the OTA, or hope some one releases an SBF. In those rare cases, you should be able to flash back to stock (with whatever the current system release is), do the update (which would update kernel, and possible radio, etc) and then proceed back to using your favorite ROM (assuming it's been updated to that version).
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Yup I understand it now. Thanks for the help and all the replies
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So I'm thinking about rooting my Nexus S and keeping the stock rom, now my question is if I do root will I not receive the OTA update for ICS or will I still get it?
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A little reading wouldn't have hurt............
Anyways, if you do not modify anything in /system then you should be fine. I wouldn't ever be worried about receiving an ota anyways. Chances are someone will post the full rom here before your phone ever recieves the ota notification.
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Thanks for the fast reply, I new I was going to get hit with the not reading part, but rooting was something I thought of on an impulse and I did as much reading as I could before I got into work so I thought I would ask for a quick answer. Now that I have the answer I have a lot more reading to do before I even try to root.
Thank you again for the answer.
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Frost0113 said:
So I'm thinking about rooting my Nexus S and keeping the stock rom, now my question is if I do root will I not receive the OTA update for ICS or will I still get it?
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You WILL get the OTA update
Guys sorry if this a noob question. But I just recently rooted as well .
I'm running stock rom and francos kernel. Will stock rom and diff kernel mess up if you accept ota?
I'm also looking at trying diff kernels like trinity teuv.
I know I have to wipe cache and dalvik when flashing another kernel however some state to reflash the rom as well. I'm on stock so nothing to really reflash . What steps should I take to make sure kernels don't conflict.
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I've had wifi driver issues when flashing kernel outside of rom flash also, sometimes it works fine, other times I get the wifi error. Do not update ota if your using a custom kernel and recovery, you must be 100% stock to do so. There are stock flashable roms however, google peter Alfonso, his stuff is in rom manager as well. Also bugless beast is a stock based rom with many improvements, very stable also. Perhaps check it out.
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I've had wifi driver issues when flashing kernel outside of rom flash also, sometimes it works fine, other times I get the wifi error. Do not update ota if your using a custom kernel and recovery, you must be 100% stock to do so. There are stock flashable roms however, google peter Alfonso, his stuff is in rom manager as well. Also bugless beast is a stock based rom with many improvements, very stable also. Perhaps check it out.
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Always disable wifi before flashing a rom. In fact putting your device into airplane mode is the safest bet.
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I'm not saying that's not good advice but I have done both and still had the error, but I'm sure it doesn't hurt.
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If you're rooted, most likely you will not get the OTA notification. That's not a big deal. When ICS hits, it's going to hit here just as quick if not quicker. You'll most likely get an error if you try to flash an official OTA on a rooted device, has to be stock.
Btw, Oxygen is my ROM of choice, so I await his ICS 4.0 ROM anyway. Heck with the OTA.
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So I rooted today, before I rooted I was on 2.3.7 after I rooted I was on 2.3.4 and it told me there was an update, so I took the update the screen went black showed the picture of the Android with a ! Next to it, after about an hour I pulled the batter and when I booted back I was still on 2.3.4 and it no longer says I have an update.
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Manually update, look in rom manager under peter Alfonso for 2.37
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According to this IBT Blog, restoring to stock ROM is mandatory for receiving the upcoming OTA update to 4.2.
Does any one know if this is true, as the last OTA update to 4.1.2 automatically launched and completed just fine on my N7 in its rooted state?
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According to this IBT Blog, restoring to stock ROM is mandatory for receiving the upcoming OTA update to 4.2.
Does any one know if this is true, as the last OTA update to 4.1.2 automatically launched and completed just fine on my N7 in its rooted state?
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I think you're confusing running the stock rom and being rooted. One can be rooted while still running the stock rom. If this is the case, you should have no problem receiving the OTA update. On the other hand, if you loaded a custom rom (e.g., CyanogenMOD), you won't get the OTA update.
nyijedi said:
I think you're confusing running the stock rom and being rooted. One can be rooted while still running the stock rom. If this is the case, you should have no problem receiving the OTA update. On the other hand, if you loaded a custom rom (e.g., CyanogenMOD), you won't get the OTA update.
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Am I still able to get the OTA update, if I'm on Stock rooted, but modify the system to have tablet UI?
If not, what will be my option, to update the tablet? I guess manually pushing the Rom might work, but a reassuring would be good
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Bcroc said:
Am I still able to get the OTA update, if I'm on Stock rooted, but modify the system to have tablet UI?
If not, what will be my option, to update the tablet? I guess manually pushing the Rom might work, but a reassuring would be good
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I haven't messed around with modifying the UI, but I have replaced and disabled system apps in the past, and that stops the OTA from installing (it will download the OTA, but the install will fail). I suspect it's possible that the same thing will happen with a modified UI, but I'm not 100% sure. What is the process for modifying the UI? Did you replace certain files? If so, hopefully you saved the original versions and can revert back to the originals.
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Am I still able to get the OTA update, if I'm on Stock rooted, but modify the system to have tablet UI?
If not, what will be my option, to update the tablet? I guess manually pushing the Rom might work, but a reassuring would be good
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Can you keep us updated here if you decide to try and install the OTA update while in tablet UI? i would be interested as well if it will update
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Am I still able to get the OTA update, if I'm on Stock rooted, but modify the system to have tablet UI?
If not, what will be my option, to update the tablet? I guess manually pushing the Rom might work, but a reassuring would be good
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If all you did was change the dpi then yes it wont matter your build.prop is going to be overwritten anyways
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Can you keep us updated here if you decide to try and install the OTA update while in tablet UI? i would be interested as well if it will update
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Of course, but I think I will wait the update before doing anything, that's just more convenient
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nyijedi said:
I haven't messed around with modifying the UI, but I have replaced and disabled system apps in the past, and that stops the OTA from installing (it will download the OTA, but the install will fail). I suspect it's possible that the same thing will happen with a modified UI, but I'm not 100% sure. What is the process for modifying the UI? Did you replace certain files? If so, hopefully you saved the original versions and can revert back to the originals.
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No, I don't wan to replace anything, only modify the build.prop to have a different density setting.
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nyijedi said:
I think you're confusing running the stock rom and being rooted. One can be rooted while still running the stock rom. If this is the case, you should have no problem receiving the OTA update. On the other hand, if you loaded a custom rom (e.g., CyanogenMOD), you won't get the OTA update.
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I do know the difference between Stock ROM vs. Stock ROM + Rooted -- but I had just read the IBT blog too fast and plus I implicitly assume that folks who use custom ROM would just wait until their particular custom ROM rolls onto 4.2 base, to realize that folks with custom ROM is the target audience of the IBT blog.
So its safe to update via ota if your on stock rooted? Ive seen people saying its fine but on my old atrix I was warned it would brick my device.
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So its safe to update via ota if your on stock rooted? Ive seen people saying its fine but on my old atrix I was warned it would brick my device.
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My N7 went through the last update just fine (other than getting un-rooted).
Hey,
I have a question regarding rooting and upgrading.
Before i root, I would like to know if I do root, how will I upgrade to KLP when it is released for nexus 10?
Do i have to restore?
It depends on the situation. If you root, using a backup app like carbon or titanium backup will ensure anytime you update or change a rom you keep all your goodies. If your root only and don't change your rom you will get the OTA and it will lose root (easy to fix) and your stuff will stay.
Changing your rom is a different story though
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So on stock...
altimax98 said:
It depends on the situation. If you root, using a backup app like carbon or titanium backup will ensure anytime you update or change a rom you keep all your goodies. If your root only and don't change your rom you will get the OTA and it will lose root (easy to fix) and your stuff will stay.
Changing your rom is a different story though
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I'm on stock, but when klp releases, can i just update ? Would jb> klp be too big of a change that a lot of bugs may arise?
For example, I used to have a rooted nook color, it updated and I got unrooted... There ended up being bugs even after I rerooted it...
I am just wondering is updating then rerooting the correct method...
add12364 said:
I'm on stock, but when klp releases, can i just update ? Would jb> klp be too big of a change that a lot of bugs may arise?
For example, I used to have a rooted nook color, it updated and I got unrooted... There ended up being bugs even after I rerooted it...
I am just wondering is updating then rerooting the correct method...
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It's stock Google software. I had a Nook Color as well and they tried to block root on it anyway they could. There is no knowing if the upgrade to KLP will be easy (history tells us it will be) and root should be on board almost immediately after release, at the very worst you would have to reroot but that is nothing.
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altimax98 said:
It's stock Google software. I had a Nook Color as well and they tried to block root on it anyway they could. There is no knowing if the upgrade to KLP will be easy (history tells us it will be) and root should be on board almost immediately after release, at the very worst you would have to reroot but that is nothing.
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Thanks!
Other question in the same vein:
I have a rooted n10, but I changed the kernel. Will I have to revert to update?
Probably yes, but worth a shot first, atthe kernel question. I'm just going to wait utnil a AOKP KLP comes out, myself.
About Key Lime Pie I read somewhere that KLP will ne only available on quad core devices..
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When you are rooted there is no point to updating to a new Android version via OTA. You simply go from the ROM you are on, to installing a new version of the same ROM based on the new Android version. Developers like to keep their ROM updated, so usually you will see all the most popular ROMs updated to the latest and greatest version of Android within a day.
If you try to do OTA then you usually lose root, you often have to re-lock your bootloader, you have ton verify you are on the stock rom AND kernel, and then still hope you are "stock enough" to have the update be successful. That is just way too much work and not worth it at all when the alternative is to just flash a new version of a ROM and be done with it.
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When you are rooted there is no point to updating to a new Android version via OTA. You simply go from the ROM you are on, to installing a new version of the same ROM based on the new Android version. Developers like to keep their ROM updated, so usually you will see all the most popular ROMs updated to the latest and greatest version of Android within a day.
If you try to do OTA then you usually lose root, you often have to re-lock your bootloader, you have ton verify you are on the stock rom AND kernel, and then still hope you are "stock enough" to have the update be successful. That is just way too much work and not worth it at all when the alternative is to just flash a new version of a ROM and be done with it.
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It depends if you are stock rooted or on a custom rom...
If you are stock rooted but have Twrp you could do the OTA reboot to recovery and root checker will install super SU for you
If you don't have Twrp... Nexus devices are easy to root anyways
Or use an OTA root keeper app
After rooting this device, will I still be able get the regular official updates from Google automatically? And if I get an update, will it remove the root and I have to root again?
If I install a custom ROM, can I be able to come back to official ROM?
Are there any tweaked version of the official camera app and what is the best camera app for nexus 4?
Thanks for your help
S
You have to have the stock recovery to receive official updates, but when you root you install a custom recovery and therefore will not receive official updates. The answer to the second question is just that you won't get any official updates until you uninstall root and flash the factory IMG. And yes you can easily flash back to stock after installing a custom ROM but make sure to back up your data as it will all be wiped. The last question I don't know the answer to. I like the stock camera and its simplicity, but if you want something more "professional" I would suggest looking in the play store.
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aanonymoushuman said:
You have to have the stock recovery to receive official updates, but when you root you install a custom recovery and therefore will not receive official updates.
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I believe that you can still recieve an ota if you have a custom recovery installed. It will overwrite it though.
Read here for more info about ota info: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2145848
good morning -- just like you to know the beauty of this forum is the ability to find all the answers to your questions by searching. First off updates do not exactly come once a week but they will with custom roms. As well any update that Google puts out you will easily be able to flash here.
There are ways to maintain root in most cases especially with using SuperSu I believe. I am not 100% on that but I have read of this in passing. Its just easier to me to flash the updated rooted version
Tweaked versions of the may be found in the apps section but again a search would of told you so.
Basically what I am saying is enjoy your time here but think of it like this what ever question you may think you have has been asked 100x before so just take some time look it up and gain some knowledge about android, rooting and N4 :good:
sany said:
After rooting this device, will I still be able get the regular official updates from Google automatically? And if I get an update, will it remove the root and I have to root again?
If I install a custom ROM, can I be able to come back to official ROM?
Are there any tweaked version of the official camera app and what is the best camera app for nexus 4?
Thanks for your help
S
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aanonymoushuman said:
You have to have the stock recovery to receive official updates, but when you root you install a custom recovery and therefore will not receive official updates. The answer to the second question is just that you won't get any official updates until you uninstall root and flash the factory IMG. And yes you can easily flash back to stock after installing a custom ROM but make sure to back up your data as it will all be wiped. The last question I don't know the answer to. I like the stock camera and its simplicity, but if you want something more "professional" I would suggest looking in the play store.
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chromium96 said:
I believe that you can still recieve an ota if you have a custom recovery installed. It will overwrite it though.
Read here for more info about ota info: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2145848
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You can be on Stock Rom with No Mods Unlocked Rooted with a Custom Recovery and you will get the ota update and it will install fine.
The ota update link will be posted here before you get on your device so it's good to have a custom recovery so you can just flash it. It will also protect you from losing root and your custom recovery
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Thanks all for the responses.
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