Hi, I just picked up a new Defy (MB525). I'm new to the Android scene so I'd like to stick to stock for a while before diving into CM7 / MIUI / etc.
I don't want to stay on Éclair. So my question is, should I flash the full stock Froyo or should I flash the fixed stock Froyo + nandroid backup Éclair CG? Does it matter either way? It looks like all the custom roms need Froyo as a starting point anyway...
Also, is there any negative impact in paring fixed stock Froyo + nandroid Éclair CGs? Intuitively it feels... wrong somehow... like running an updated program with outdated dlls
Thanks in advance.
pinmelon said:
Hi, I just picked up a new Defy (MB525). I'm new to the Android scene so I'd like to stick to stock for a while before diving into CM7 / MIUI / etc.
I don't want to stay on Éclair. So my question is, should I flash the full stock Froyo or should I flash the fixed stock Froyo + nandroid backup Éclair CG? Does it matter either way? It looks like all the custom roms need Froyo as a starting point anyway...
Also, is there any negative impact in paring fixed stock Froyo + nandroid Éclair CGs? Intuitively it feels... wrong somehow... like running an updated program with outdated dlls
Thanks in advance.
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Fixed froyo sbf with froyo nandroid.
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I'am in the same position, I'd like to know answer to this question too.
What is considered to be "optimal" starting point for custom ROMs?
Thanks!
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Fixed froyo sbf with froyo nandroid.
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Thanks for the reply. Just to confirm, you mean update to full stock froyo SBF, then use the froyo nandroid CG backup for all future fixed SBFs, correct?
That means there's no way to return to eclair, right? (not that i'd want to... )
First of all you need to root your defy then just download sndinit apk for defy and install recovery and after that download nandroid backup of froyo and install it using recovery then run install fixed sbf and your ready to go u just retained your downgradeability and you can now go to eclair any time but don't flash full sbf of froyo u'll loose your downgradeability
I am currently on Froyo Kernel 2.6.32.9, using MIUI ROM from Will5.
What I would like to achieve:
1. I want to try the Stock UK GB ROM (with Kernel that fix the multitouch thing) for some time, play with the motoblur stuff
2. I would like to still be able to install custom ROM (CM7/9 and MIUI) after I play enough with stock ROM
What I think I understand:
1. Only CH GB Kernel that fix the multitouch issue, so I would have to flash this kernel / ROM.
2. CH GB doesn't have GApps & MotoBlur, so I would need UK GB ROM to have this
3. After flashing CH GB, I can reflash Asia WWE Froyo to get back to Froyo
4. After flashing UK GB, I cant get back to either Froyo or CH GB
5. CM7 & 9 Can use CH GB Kernel, while MIUI must use Froyo only
So the question is:
1. If I install CH GB, can I restore santiemanuel's NANDROID backup (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19926327&postcount=408) onto it? will this give me a UK GB Stock ROM with CH GB Kernel?
2. If the answer to #1 is no, then is there any way to achive #1?
3. Anyone know if #1 step is downgradeable to Froyo? (I would only need this when I want MIUI back)
thx
I think the answer to your question should be yes. Though don't blame me if it isn't possible to downgrade or you brick your phone
The steps to do so might be:
1. Install CH GB from sbf using RSDLite.
2. Flash UK GB nandroid back up from santiemanuel.
3. Extract the attached CH GB kernel sbf using 7-zip and flash it using RSDLite.
Please do a complete fresh install if you wanna give it a try.
Though it seems harmless, do it at your own risk.
OK, I got issue. I am now stuck with CH GB, because I cant restore UK GB's Nandroid as I am using bootmenu 0.8.6 (and I think the Nandroid made from bootmenu 1.0.4 based on the file name). I have tried the bootmenu 1.0.5 twice, but only to have bootloop and re-doing from scratch (from flashing sbf) both time.
Is there anyone can tell me how to use the bootmenu 1.0.5? I have installed it, then when I run and choose menu #1 then restart, I got bootloop. I dont know what each menu are for as I dont understand chinese.
The version of bootmenu should not matter. However the version of CWM can matter. So what you need to do probably is flash the CWM 5.x.x coz that might be the one with which the nandroid back up has been created.
You can find CWM 5.x.x somewhere in the forum I suppose or from Koush's website.
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The version of bootmenu should not matter. However the version of CWM can matter. So what you need to do probably is flash the CWM 5.x.x coz that might be the one with which the nandroid back up has been created.
You can find CWM 5.x.x somewhere in the forum I suppose or from Koush's website.
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thank you, I managed to restore the nandroid backup using bootmenu 0.8.6 available in Endless7's "How to instal cyanogen/miui" thread. I have the bootmenu's files with me all the time, I just didnt test it because I though need higher version of bootmenu >.<
now I have managed to get UK GB running with CH kernel (or so I think), play around for 2 days, doesnt like it
I am now using Tezet's CM7 for GB kernel, but I want to go back to MIUI (I love the fancy themes), so I tried to flash (yes using RSD lite) the Froyo sbf, but alas, RSD Lite doesnt recognize the UK Froyo sbf (http://and-developers.com/sbf:milestone2, 2.2.2 Froyo UK). When I choose this sbf, RSD Lite didnt show the file info like it supposed to, and I dont think this is related to non-downgradeable issue as I havent plug my phone to USB.
does anyone tried the UK 2.2.2 Froyo before? does it work?
or, when you guys need to return to Froyo sbf, which one do you choose?
you cant go back to froyo from official gingerbread, once you've updated your stuck
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you cant go back to froyo from official gingerbread, once you've updated your stuck
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I didnt use UK GB sbf, I only use the chinese one which "should" be downgradeable.
But my issue now is RSD lite doesnt recognize the UK Froyo 2.2.2, it might because of broken download of mine or the file is broken to begin with. It will takes me half day minimum (and 1/3 of my monthly data plan) to download that 300MB+, so if anyone can let me know if the file is broken or not before hand, that would be very appreciated.
You can flash UK Froyo 2.2.2 over CH GB as far as I know. I even think I have tried this with success (I mean flashing UK Froyo 2.2.2 over CH GB retail, though it was quite a while ago).
If RSDLite does not recognize it, it could be some other issue. I don't know if it can be linked to a broken download. You can try to download it again or if you are sure that the download is okay, you can try a different computer. May be a friend's PC.
Good Luck!!
Edit: And before you do that, can you post a screenshot of your phone's 'About' menu, showing the CH kernel version.
Attached is screenshot of my phone. I have tried downloading the UK 2.2.2 froyo again, but still rsd cannot recognize. I tried with pc running windows 7 x86 and Laptop running windows 7 x64, both cannot
EDIT: i am using RSDLite 4.9, what version were you using when you're able to get RSD Lite to recognize that UK 2.2.2 Froyo Sahil?
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I managed to download hongkong (AsiaRet 2.2.2 Froyo) (thx to a friend of mine), which can be recongnized by RSD lite. unfortunately, I cant flash it, error 0x0017 (iirc) and FAIL shown.
So i guess its not true that I can go back to Froyo if I only flashed CH GB using RSD Lite?
btw, a question not related to above matter: is there any app that can give me quick settings on status bar (like the one in CM or MIUI, when I pull the status bar down) that works on stock rom? unavailability of this feature is why I hate stock rom the most
That's pretty strange. I was quite sure that CH GB was downgradable. Even Tezet said so if I remember correctly. Did you do all wipes?? May be try the wipes from Moto recovery once i.e. if you can access it.
The architecture in GB was changed in some way which made it not support those notification toggles. There is a software by J4velin (a dev from xda itself) which does provide it but it isn't exactly the same thing. Search with that name in market.
Edit: And I was asking for the screenshot when you had UK 2.3.4 and CH GB kernel. You posted screenshot with CM I suppose. And you can try changing the RSDLite version, may be 5.6
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alexyie said:
Update:
I managed to download hongkong (AsiaRet 2.2.2 Froyo) (thx to a friend of mine), which can be recongnized by RSD lite. unfortunately, I cant flash it, error 0x0017 (iirc) and FAIL shown.
So i guess its not true that I can go back to Froyo if I only flashed CH GB using RSD Lite?
btw, a question not related to above matter: is there any app that can give me quick settings on status bar (like the one in CM or MIUI, when I pull the status bar down) that works on stock rom? unavailability of this feature is why I hate stock rom the most
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please reboot your computer and phone and try again.this issue sometimes will happen.
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That's pretty strange. I was quite sure that CH GB was downgradable. Even Tezet said so if I remember correctly. Did you do all wipes?? May be try the wipes from Moto recovery once i.e. if you can access it.
The architecture in GB was changed in some way which made it not support those notification toggles. There is a software by J4velin (a dev from xda itself) which does provide it but it isn't exactly the same thing. Search with that name in market.
Edit: And I was asking for the screenshot when you had UK 2.3.4 and CH GB kernel. You posted screenshot with CM I suppose. And you can try changing the RSDLite version, may be 5.6
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sorry for the mistaken screenshot
I'm back to UK GB with CH Kernel, but dont have screenshot app with me
System Version : 64.1.22.A953.Retail.en.GB
Model Number : MotoA953
Android version : 2.3.4
Baseband version : EPU93_U_00.60.00
Kernel version : 2.6.32.9-g5db7937
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Build number : MILS2_U6_4.1-22
Are you a 100% sure that you can't downgrade?
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If by CH GB you are reffering to ROMS such as ms2ginger, blurless and argen2stone, then I can personally confirm that yes you can down grade back to froyo as I have done this several time.
The froyo version I use is Optus AU if it's of any relevance. (there's only one)
I always just use the latest version of RSD lite available, I've only ever ran into that error once. All I remember doing was rebooting and changing the USB slot I used.
Failing that you could try the Linux method of flashing since it's meant to save you when all else fails.
Edit: Just to add, if it were me in your shoes I'd be trying everything to avoid flashing official gingerbread, no way do I wanna get tied down to that beast D:
Even I'm almost 100% sure that CH GB is downgradeable. I have flashed it using RSDLite and then flashed back UK Froyo 2.2.2. (Almost since it was a long time ago )
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Are you a 100% sure that you can't downgrade?
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Yes, with the above configuration (which I think is UK GB ROM with CH GB Kernel), using RSD Lite v.4.9 on Win7 32 Bit PC, I cannot revert back to Official AsiaRet 2.2.2 Froyo (I tried 4times, even right after clean instal using your first instruction on 2nd post).
However I cannot try the UK 2.2.2 Froyo as my RSD Lite cannot recognize it.
I will try to look for a newer / older version of RSD Lite and see if it can somehow recognize the UK sbf and try that again.
DreadPirateDan said:
If by CH GB you are reffering to ROMS such as ms2ginger, blurless and argen2stone, then I can personally confirm that yes you can down grade back to froyo as I have done this several time.
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no, by CH GB Kernel I meant the SBF, by UK GB ROM I meant Nandroid backup (see post #1)
DreadPirateDan said:
Edit: Just to add, if it were me in your shoes I'd be trying everything to avoid flashing official gingerbread, no way do I wanna get tied down to that beast D:
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dont blame me for wanting fix on mutitouch bugs
Yeah but what I'm saying is once you put the official one on there is no going back and that kernel has the multi-touch bug.
Now I get what you mean, you have taken the official gingerbread and just gotten the system backup from somewhere, restored that, and are then flashing the CH kernel in RSD lite. Correct?
I hope there isn't something in place that detects whats going on in the system backup then, you could potentially be stuck on it
No. Just read carefully what he written...
1) he flashed chinese GB SBF - which should be downgradeable (even I read that several times there)
2) the he restored nandroid backup (we can't write into /boot right? So he restored /system, but stayed in the Chinese GB kernel, which does not suffer from the multitouch bug...)
3) so he had UK GB /system with Chinese GB kernel (best kernel for M2 as far as I know)
But now he is unable to downgrade back - which is strange, because nandroid should not break e-fuse or something like this (it just restores files onto /system) and Chinese GB SBF should be downgradeable...
Do you get it now?
I am preparing to move my defy to CM7.2 (or any custom rom) and I am currently stuck on Android 2.1.
I've read and researched everything about flashing and backup and what not... What I understand is:
1. If I flash a full SBF of a Android 2.2.x ROM, I won't be able to downgrade (I don't really need to as I am out of warranty anyways)
2. If I flash a FIXED SBF of 2.2.x or 2.3.x, I will need to also flash a nandroid backup. The problem is that I cannot find a pair of these to download (given all of the mediafire/etc links are now dead).
3. I really need a 2.3.x kernel to go to CM7 or CM9, most (all?) of these won't let me downgrade back to 2.2 (which if fine provided the 2.3.x stock rom I flash is rootable and will let me do wifi tethering).
My defy is green lens US Tmobile with Blur. I would probably be totally happy with a non-blur 2.2 or better rom. My motivation for this is that I need some apps that are 2.2+ :/
Thanks in advance for any help or guidance!!!
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I am preparing to move my defy to CM7.2 (or any custom rom) and I am currently stuck on Android 2.1.
I've read and researched everything about flashing and backup and what not... What I understand is:
1. If I flash a full SBF of a Android 2.2.x ROM, I won't be able to downgrade (I don't really need to as I am out of warranty anyways)
2. If I flash a FIXED SBF of 2.2.x or 2.3.x, I will need to also flash a nandroid backup. The problem is that I cannot find a pair of these to download (given all of the mediafire/etc links are now dead).
3. I really need a 2.3.x kernel to go to CM7 or CM9, most (all?) of these won't let me downgrade back to 2.2 (which if fine provided the 2.3.x stock rom I flash is rootable and will let me do wifi tethering).
My defy is green lens US Tmobile with Blur. I would probably be totally happy with a non-blur 2.2 or better rom. My motivation for this is that I need some apps that are 2.2+ :/
Thanks in advance for any help or guidance!!!
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Yep what you told is pretty much correct! Just make sure you flash the correct SBFs (since it is greenlens).. And you may request to whoever uploaded to reupload the files.
For point 3.) CM7 and CM9 are available for Froyo kernel too.(And those are more frequently updated) So you can do a 2.2 SBF flash.
Moreover should you flash a fixed SBF you can always downgrade...
Happy flashing
you are awesome at answering my questions again! thanks =)
I now remember that CM7 + 9 can work with the froyo kernel, is there any reason to go to GB? I want to take this step by step... first is to get a working 2.2 version (deblured, since I am out of the country and had problems getting blur to reregister last time).
is there really any reason to go back to 2.1 if I go to 2.2?
i'll go beg on the ROMS thread to see if I can get one. Thanks!
Since you have a green lens (SOC) you should stay on the Froyo kernel. Do not go with the Gingerbread kernel because you won't be able to use your camera (except for the Greenbread mod, if I'm not mistaken, but you should stay away from it since it's a fix for a problem not an improvement).
I don't see any reason to go back to 2.1, especially because 2.2 was officially released and is covered by warranty. Since using ICS I won't even go back to 2.3 .
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KevinAndEarth.com said:
you are awesome at answering my questions again! thanks =)
I now remember that CM7 + 9 can work with the froyo kernel, is there any reason to go to GB? I want to take this step by step... first is to get a working 2.2 version (deblured, since I am out of the country and had problems getting blur to reregister last time).
is there really any reason to go back to 2.1 if I go to 2.2?
i'll go beg on the ROMS thread to see if I can get one. Thanks!
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Welcome Good to know I could be of help..
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Since you have a green lens (SOC) you should stay on the Froyo kernel. Do not go with the Gingerbread kernel because you won't be able to use your camera (except for the Greenbread mod, if I'm not mistaken, but you should stay away from it since it's a fix for a problem not an improvement).
I don't see any reason to go back to 2.1, especially because 2.2 was officially released and is covered by warranty. Since using ICS I won't even go back to 2.3 .
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Ya even I feel the same! Since it is green lens better not go to GB. What is the need when you have so many option of ROMs (just get an awesome CM7 nightly or CM9!)..
So now all I need to do is find a good deblured android 2.2 SBF =)
Sorry to ask a question that im sure has been answered before, also for the bad heading clicked post to early. Ive spent the last day tring to find the answer. (well most of it trying to get the right sbf to get the phone back from a 2ndinit gone wrong)
I found the right sbf in this thread and used the 2ndinit 1.7 in here and it has worked.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1498560
I can get into the bootloader, i tried the gb ones from here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1432100 but it doesnt work, just goes back to the stock bootloader. I used RSDlite to go back to stock. Now im wondering is there any thing im not doing right with these programs?
My phone details are:
System Version
45.0.1321.MB526.AsiaRetail.en.03
Android Version
2.3.6
Kernal Version
2.6.32.9-gbdd614e
[email protected]#1
Build Number
4.5.1-134_DFP-1321
It also said it was a group 35 when i was flashed the SBF to it
.What can i put on this phone? I only just bought it as a replacement for my last defy (non plus) which was running cm7. I actually lost it in a gutter and found it 2 days later in a drain using "planb", sadly it had been run over and the screen and case were damaged but thats another story.
Thanks.
I flashed the same sbf that you used and have installed 2nd-init 2.0 successfully.
does that answer your question?
I am now using MS2ginger 3.0 installed via NANDROID back up and multiboot is not working too well on this ROM yet.
But earlier on my stuck ROM I had installed 2nd init and dual booted CM9.
I used this guide:
http://blog.s0ulless.net/?p=2324
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I flashed the same sbf that you used and have installed 2nd-init 2.0 successfully.
does that answer your question?
I am now using MS2ginger 3.0 installed via NANDROID back up and multiboot is not working too well on this ROM yet.
But earlier on my stuck ROM I had installed 2nd init and dual booted CM9.
I used this guide:
Thanks, ill give this a try.
Which cm9 did you use? i tried the quarkx one and couldnt get it to work.
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I followed that guide, cant get the cm9 to boot. So im using the stock rom, i like the ability to dual boot though.
I'll try for the miui now. pokemon edition sounds good.
Hello, I recently tried to get a custom recovery on my phone. tar yielded `bad magic` on the archive and the installation failed.. I thought nothing was actually changed on my phone, but when I did a reboot my phone didn't start back up. It's in a boot-loop. I tried clearing cache, data, and everything else but it's stuck. I'm convinced I need to reflash a stock ROM.
My only problem is I can't tell which ROM I need. I wasn't careful enough to write down the exact version numbers of everything for my MB525. I just know this:
It's a red-lense model.
Came with Android 2.1, but later upgraded to 2.2 (via the built-in carrier provided software update method)
The carrier for it is T-Mobile US.
I checked the list ( droid-developers.org/umts_jordan/list.php) , but there are two firmwares listed for T-Mobile US. I'm really afraid of getting a higher version that what I was at because of the whole fixed-system partition bit explained in the beginners guide. So I'll ask here before I break my phone. Basically, I want to eventually get CM running on it and such, but I want to always be able to fall back to the version of Android 2.2 that I was running previously.
Basically, which ROM is the one I need to get my phone booting again?
T-Mobile_MB525_6.19.0_1FF.zip - this one is CG39.smg version 2, so this one should be an Eclair.
JORDN_U3_6.36.0_SIGNED_USAJRDNTMOB1B4B5DE1028.0R_JORDANTMO_P022_HWp3_Service1FF.sbf - this one is CG39.smg version 4 - therefore - Froyo.
If you have previosly been on Froyo, don't try to flash the Eclair, or you'll end up with a BL error.
That worked! That's the one I figured I should use, but the version number on it is `6` unlike every other version 4 CG which is `3.4`.
Now that I got a good ROM to fallback on, time to get a custom recovery and try some custom ROMs
Actually, that version is Android 2.1. The firmware version is "2.1-Update1"
It worked for my phone anyway though. Not quite sure how.
Weird! Its CG39 version is 4, therefore I assumed it was Froyo... Didn't know there was a version 4 Eclair...
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Weird! Its CG39 version is 4, therefore I assumed it was Froyo... Didn't know there was a version 4 Eclair...
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Is that an other downgrade sbf like bl6 froyo?
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