According to http://mashable.com/2012/05/24/apple-stylus/this article Apple applied for a stylus patent. Is this a sign of next iphone will include a stylus or what? How cool is that?
Article tells apple's stylus will be different then others as follows. Apple’s idea of the stylus, however, is slightly different from the simple styluses you usually get with tablets today. It’s an optical device that can determine (via a pressure sensor) when it’s in contact with a surface and can capture an image using a built-in camera.
Does it sound familiar to you? I think it's Sammy's turn now to sue Apple for copying GNote's Spen
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You can't patent the stylus.
You can however patent your own specific implementation/take on it. Read the actual patent filing, Apple's optical stylus design includes THREE different sensors in the stylus, including a camera. It's designed to detect itself in 3D space and is actually very cool.
Don't be an unthinking fandroid and post rubbish like Samsung should sue Apple over a stylus.
That being said, it's interesting to see Apple now apparently acknowledging the utility of the stylus after publicly scoffing at it when they revealed their iPhone way back when.
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they blew it
Also samsung didn't create the stylus in the note, wacom did.
They wont be putting stylus in iPhone or iPad, they did it just to limit Samsung if they decide to make new and better stylus for newer phones/tablets... Now they won't be able to put gyroscope or camera into it, because its Apple's patent ... Apple is becoming serious patent troll ...
Lol apple.... I'll never buy apple products again, fking hypocrites. I'm soooooo happy with android and my galaxy note!!
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I like Apple products but I just HATE Apple.
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I love my Macbook Pro. But this is annoying....Apple is either: A) Just trying to prevent Samsung from doing something cool with a new version of the Note or B) They are changing their mind and since Steve Jobs isn't around they are making a stylus and copying Samsung because they see "oh, people might actually like that.
The ONLY reason why iPhone is the #1 phone is marketing. They always copy features that Android started first, typically. If Android manufacturers make a "feature" on their phones and the consumers love it, Apple will come around and say "Oh, ya'll actually like that, we just thought it wouldn't fit in an iPhone, but because you like it we'll add it now".
Aggravating. But, Apple is doing something right, they are making billions on people. I'll stick with Google, Android, and manufacturers, namely Samsung.
Its an ingenious little patent I'll grant that. The Note has proved that designers want to use a mobile device for their work and Apple obviously wants a piece of that. This device will allow much more refined stylus experience.... using the top part as a rubber...(Although Wacom already have this) using the pen at an angle to deliver a light shading effect.
That being said.... Apple won't release it for a long time and they'll release an incredibly basic version with minor upgradea up until the iNote 5
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rlaw said:
That being said, it's interesting to see Apple now apparently acknowledging the utility of the stylus after publicly scoffing at it when they revealed their iPhone way back when.
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Yup, like when Jobs was saying what a stupid idea tablets were initially and then Apple releasing the iPad a few years later.
But yes, Stylus's (Stylii?) have been around for decades, and just because Apple have applied for a patent for their version doesn't mean they'll be granted one, although given how pathetic the patent system is, they probably will be.
A decent stylus would make the ipad much more attractive to people wanting to do design work. They need to do something different other than just sticking a faster processor, better screen or LTE modem, in the next iteration, maybe this will be it.
Samsung and Apple already have more than enough lawsuits in progress against each other, they hardly need to add more at this stage.
Also - Apple has probably thought of the market for accessory stylus's, they can sell lots of different coloured ones other than the inevitable white or black one they'll release initially and make even more bank.
knightnz said:
Yup, like when Jobs was saying what a stupid idea tablets were initially and then Apple releasing the iPad a few years later.
But yes, Stylus's (Stylii?) have been around for decades, and just because Apple have applied for a patent for their version doesn't mean they'll be granted one, although given how pathetic the patent system is, they probably will be.
A decent stylus would make the ipad much more attractive to people wanting to do design work. They need to do something different other than just sticking a faster processor, better screen or LTE modem, in the next iteration, maybe this will be it.
Samsung and Apple already have more than enough lawsuits in progress against each other, they hardly need to add more at this stage.
Also - Apple has probably thought of the market for accessory stylus's, they can sell lots of different coloured ones other than the inevitable white or black one they'll release initially and make even more bank.
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This is actually really intelligent on Apple's part. They're recognizing that creative minded people want to use their products for art creation. Releasing their own special, branded stylus with some bells and whistles is a no brainer. Especially since it looks like they're not going to license wacom tech. They'll be making some healthy margins on a beefy markup.
That being said, this seems like it may be another area where Google cedes a niche market to Apple, the other being audio related tasks. Android's audio latency is pretty terrible.
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The ONLY reason why iPhone is the #1 phone is marketing.
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Totally agree. Marketing, and timing.
It all started with the iPod, and that ingenious marketing campaign with the black silhouettes and white headphones. Didn't take long before the iPod became the dominant mp3 player in the market - despite there being better alternatives.
onehundredbullets said:
Totally agree. Marketing, and timing.
It all started with the iPod, and that ingenious marketing campaign with the black silhouettes and white headphones. Didn't take long before the iPod became the dominant mp3 player in the market - despite there being better alternatives.
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This is why other companies aren't anywhere near Apple in profit and mindshare right now. This manner of thinking.
You're focusing on the pieces and not the whole. Apple doesn't simply sell a function or a stand-alone piece - they sell an experience to accompany a lifestyle. Which is where other companies wanna buy.
Despite there being technically superior options as far as audio quality, support goes - none of the other solutions were designed with the whole package in mind.
None had the whole shebang together. None had the build quality (those 1st/2nd gen iPods still work to this very day), none had the ease of use and intuitiveness (the click wheel is really where the iPad came into its own), the software solution. Drag 'n' drop is simple but Average Joe doesn't want to mount his storage device and manually send things over, he wants to connect, forget and let the computer do things for him. I hate iTunes with a passion but if you don't mind locking down your collection and being part of the Apple ecosystem (preferably with a Mac cos the iTunes Windows experience is torture), you won't find a more polished complete package.
Apple markets exactly what they sell - an experience that comes along with a lifestyle. And with that comes healthy margins and insane profits. Why d'you think Samsung wants to be more Apple-like in approach, design and marketing (Sony tried to be the Apple of Japan for a while but they screwed the pooch on that one)?
Most people don't want to reconcile themselves around technology, they want the technology to fit them. And Apple is genius at that.
So take your irrational hate of Apple, stick it in a pipe and smoke it. Recognize what they've done well and recognize what competitors can take out of their book. Let's see if you continue to blithely stand by Samsung once they adopt more and more Apple-esque business, design and marketing (hello S3 announcement event) practices.
Why would they do that? Because when you're no longer a commodity, you can command higher pricws, margins and profits.
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andreww88 said:
I love my Macbook Pro. But this is annoying....Apple is either: A) Just trying to prevent Samsung from doing something cool with a new version of the Note or B) They are changing their mind and since Steve Jobs isn't around they are making a stylus and copying Samsung because they see "oh, people might actually like that.
The ONLY reason why iPhone is the #1 phone is marketing. They always copy features that Android started first, typically. If Android manufacturers make a "feature" on their phones and the consumers love it, Apple will come around and say "Oh, ya'll actually like that, we just thought it wouldn't fit in an iPhone, but because you like it we'll add it now".
Aggravating. But, Apple is doing something right, they are making billions on people. I'll stick with Google, Android, and manufacturers, namely Samsung.
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They couldn't have copied android when they released the iPhone first. Remember who was on apples board of directors....
That said, seems like a cool patent & as someone said many creative people use the iPad now as an art device. So this makes sense as another accessory.
monkeyluis said:
They couldn't have copied android when they released the iPhone first. Remember who was on apples board of directors....
That said, seems like a cool patent & as someone said many creative people use the iPad now as an art device. So this makes sense as another accessory.
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Right, an iPhone with no apps or app store. Steve Jobs said the iPhone would never run apps...hmmm
Steve Jobs said that Stylus is dead and we should be grateful to Apple for killing it so if Samsung did not patent it, they're probably just trying to acquire it for licensing fees.
But again they said that 4" screen is just not good and not ergonomic etc. Now they'll probably use 4" screen because people actually want it - and call it magical and revolutionary ( not to mention amazing ).
Yes, sarcasm intended
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Hello everyone,
i guess now the S2 will receive some major updates to change the phone software entirely cos of the lawsuit from Apple. The new update already has a new music icon, please read the new above itll explain more.
Samsung has nailed the hardware and i really do hope they can do the same with the software eg touch Wiz which is a terrible UI.
they could have learnt to make something like the sense Ui which is much better.
Apps integration is so important for smartphones to work in harmony, not many phones can do that includng Multitasking and push notifications which are so important. preview widgets could have been improved to give more info to a user without having the need to tap so many times.
Its time for Samsung to bring in some great developers to help them with great UI to nail the market
Apple developers are only human!!!
The topic is a little misleading (the same goes for most of the headlines in the tech press). Apple will not be able to see unreleased Samsung hardware, only the legal firm handling this case for Apple. That means (as mentioned in the article you link to) that Apple's engineers and in-house legal team will not be given access to the unreleased products.
Apple might very well lose the case as well, so I don't expect any drastic changes in the near future as these cases tend to go on for a couple of years.
Would be funny if Samsung terminated their contract with Apple though, think there would be a slight delay to their new products if they were suddenly missing almost all the hardware parts
Maybe this is why the US s2 launch date was postponed?
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The topic is a little misleading (the same goes for most of the headlines in the tech press). Apple will not be able to see unreleased Samsung hardware, only the legal firm handling this case for Apple. That means (as mentioned in the article you link to) that Apple's engineers and in-house legal team will not be given access to the unreleased products.
Apple might very well lose the case as well, so I don't expect any drastic changes in the near future as these cases tend to go on for a couple of years.
Would be funny if Samsung terminated their contract with Apple though, think there would be a slight delay to their new products if they were suddenly missing almost all the hardware parts
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I dont know why they have to fight with each other rather than working on better software for the user. They work with each other and samsung provides some hardware to Apple, as a company Samsung totally rocks but probably lacks vision cos they dont have a steve jobs sat there. They have even demoed flexible and transparent screens, if anyone Apple would miss out on these if Samsung lost the case.
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Maybe this is why the US s2 launch date was postponed?
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Probably. The event was cancelled suddenly late last Monday (May 16). The judges ruling came out last Wednesday (May 18). Samsung's lawyers probably had an indication of how the judge was going to rule. Samsung probably figured it was better to delay announcing new products if there was a chance that Apple could win an injunction against their release.
It appears like Samsung has 30 days to provide Apple with the products in question (Galaxy S2, Galaxy Tab 8.9, Galaxy Tab 10.1, Infuse 4G, and 4G LTE Droid Charge). Who knows how much time Apple's outside counsel gets to review the products before determining if they want to file an injunction. At this rate, who knows when the U.S. will see the S II...if at all if an injunction is granted.
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I dont know why they have to fight with each other rather than working on better software for the user. They work with each other and samsung provides some hardware to Apple, as a company Samsung totally rocks but probably lacks vision cos they dont have a steve jobs sat there. They have even demoed flexible and transparent screens, if anyone Apple would miss out on these if Samsung lost the case.
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Apple are probably suing as a tactic to dent Galaxy sales and damage Samsung's rep.
Seeing as the rumored iphone 5 will have a widescreen like basically all Android phones that have been released in the last 1 1/2 years, don't be surprised if some fanboys complain <insert non-Apple manufacturer here> "copied" the iPhone -_-
sense sux in my opinion. tw4 is much better, not very intrusive UI-wise.
don't put your opinion as a general fact
I like touchwiz more than sense. Touchwiz is nice fast clean UI...
The only company I can see loosing out from all of this is Samsung choosing not to supply its top of the range components to Apple..
Apple should really watch itself and who it wants to sue. If all of the top manufacturers decide to boycott Apple because they're sick of their bull****, Apple will be forced to source cheap rubbish china parts, and only the end users will loose out...
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sense sux in my opinion. tw4 is much better, not very intrusive UI-wise.
don't put your opinion as a general fact
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cheetah2k said:
The only company I can see loosing out from all of this is Samsung choosing not to supply its top of the range components to Apple..
Apple should really watch itself and who it wants to sue. If all of the top manufacturers decide to boycott Apple because they're sick of their bull****, Apple will be forced to source cheap rubbish china parts, and only the end users will loose out...
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with this being true who knows how much money said hardware companies make by providing parts to apple...
interesting case none the less
bilboa1 said:
sense sux in my opinion. tw4 is much better, not very intrusive UI-wise.
don't put your opinion as a general fact
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+ ten million
jje
cheetah2k said:
The only company I can see loosing out from all of this is Samsung choosing not to supply its top of the range components to Apple..
Apple should really watch itself and who it wants to sue. If all of the top manufacturers decide to boycott Apple because they're sick of their bull****, Apple will be forced to source cheap rubbish china parts, and only the end users will loose out...
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Nah...dont see that happening!! You need to understand that businesses dont run on emotions! Samsung's R&D units need money to develop new hardware, and that money comes from large scale customers like Apple! Dont think samsung will dump apple just for this. Apple's management knows this....they are not fools !
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Maybe this is why the US s2 launch date was postponed?
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It may have something to do with the Microsoft's mango update announcement being on the same day
bilboa1 said:
sense sux in my opinion. tw4 is much better, not very intrusive UI-wise.
don't put your opinion as a general fact
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Sense rocked in the early days of Android when the interface was bland and lacked credible home alternatives, but now it sucks big time. Not that I'm a TW4 fan, but it's far less intrusive and easy to bypass so for that reason I'll rather have it.
Back to the topic.... yeah interesting case and without going back in time to decide who did one first I feel the interfaces bear too much of a resemblance.
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The only company I can see loosing out from all of this is Samsung choosing not to supply its top of the range components to Apple..
Apple should really watch itself and who it wants to sue. If all of the top manufacturers decide to boycott Apple because they're sick of their bull****, Apple will be forced to source cheap rubbish china parts, and only the end users will loose out...
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I agree they need to be careful, but boycott. Never. Apple just SHIFT TOO many units for ANY manufacturer to turn down. (unless it's for logical reasons like they can't meet demand, but i doubt Apple would even go to them if that was the case)
And may I just add, I really hate apple. -_-
Hate their business ethic and I just hate they/he runs the company. (Not going to lie, it's clever and really wise because it brings in HUGE volumes of sales) but it still despise it!
Patent everything them make, sue everyone that has any similarities what-so-ever. Again it's clever but so annoying.
skola said:
with this being true who knows how much money said hardware companies make by providing parts to apple...
interesting case none the less
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Not sure about profits, but it looks like Apple was responsible for about 4% or 5.6B of Samsung's revenue in 2010. Samsung's overall net income is about 10% of revenues, so Apple probably provides somewhere in the ballpark of $500 million of net income to Samsung.
daivik said:
I agree they need to be careful, but boycott. Never. Apple just SHIFT TOO many units for ANY manufacturer to turn down. (unless it's for logical reasons like they can't meet demand, but i doubt Apple would even go to them if that was the case)
And may I just add, I really hate apple. -_-
Hate their business ethic and I just hate they/he runs the company. (Not going to lie, it's clever and really wise because it brings in HUGE volumes of sales) but it still despise it!
Patent everything them make, sue everyone that has any similarities what-so-ever. Again it's clever but so annoying.
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Yeah... just wish i had been around to patent the hell outta scrambled eggs and the idea of cooking eggs in general, and using them to make other foods. That and patent selling cows milk as a beverage...
I hate apple.
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I hate Microsoft more...
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/28/microsoft-says-android-infringes-on-its-patents-licenses-htc/
I have compared touch Wiz and iOS ,Xperia UI,Sence UI.
IMO TouchWiz does looks like rip off from iOS. For example compare clock app , TouchWiz Clock app is exact replica of iOS. Xperia UI,Sence UI looks different. Similarly many other parts of TouchWiz resembles iOS. Even the design of Galaxy S looks very similar to Iphone 3GS/3G. HTC, SE, Motorola phone looks different. But Samsung phone somehow resembles Iphone.
Sues them!
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/apple-samsung-executives-try-resolve-patent-dispute/2011-06-20
Apple disgusts me. Copying issues coming from a company that "WILLFULLY" steals the trademarks iPhone, iPad, etc. from other companies??? They have no room to talk about willfully copying.
iOS 5 has android style pull-down notification
Neo3D said:
Sues them!
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/apple-samsung-executives-try-resolve-patent-dispute/2011-06-20
Apple disgusts me. Copying issues coming from a company that "WILLFULLY" steals the trademarks iPhone, iPad, etc. from other companies??? They have no room to talk about willfully copying.
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Yeah, and actually, Apple is copying Android's notification bar for it's iOS 5 and nobody even points that out! Personally, after using both iPhone and Android (Galaxy S), I feel both are completely different and I don't think anyone "copied" the other as they give different experiences overall. One should never go just by appearance!
Unfortunately there is only so many ways you can design a touchsceen phone, and an app screen.
Their entire claim pivots on broad, sweeping claims like their ownership of "a field of square icons with rounded corners" - it's stupid, vexatious, and anti-competative.
Their entire claim about copying the physical shape of the iPad is also based on it being a flat tablet with rounded corners. It's ridiculous.
It's not the phone, this is Standard Operating Procedure for Apple. How many of us remember how the Apple Mac got its start? Apple stole the Graphical User Interface from Xerox. Then a few years later they sued Digital Research Corporation because their Ventura Publisher product for the PC contained a Graphica User Interface. The fun thing about this story is that Digital Research licensed their GUI... from Xerox!
if you cant beat em, sue em.
"products that blatantly imitate the appearance of Apple's products to capitalize on Apple's success."
the truth is that samsung copied the interface alot cos "ppl" the great zombie masses of ppl want something they recognize.
but its true.. samsung really copied ios quite alot on the UI..
but the way handles it is un-capitalistic.. the whole idea behind the world they live in is that there are competition that will copy your stuff as closly they can if its a good solution and if it is not they will make something better or try to.
if apple dont like it they can move to north korea.. they can probebly get excusive rights to be the only phone for sale there
heatfire said:
"products that blatantly imitate the appearance of Apple's products to capitalize on Apple's success."
the truth is that samsung copied the interface alot cos "ppl" the great zombie masses of ppl want something they recognize.
but its true.. samsung really copied ios quite alot on the UI..
but the way handles it is un-capitalistic.. the whole idea behind the world they live in is that there are competition that will copy your stuff as closly they can if its a good solution and if it is not they will make something better or try to.
if apple dont like it they can move to north korea.. they can probebly get excusive rights to be the only phone for sale there
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Absolutely agree. The iPhone is derived from HTC Touchphones that appeared on the market 1 year earlier (also with the color white and rounded edges). The iPad is derived on Archos Pads that arrived on the market several years earlier!
As you say, this is what good companies in a capatilistic societies do: improve on competitor products or on their own products.
There was no need for samsung to shake their a*ss 3 times to sh*t straight.
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Sues them!
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/apple-samsung-executives-try-resolve-patent-dispute/2011-06-20
Apple disgusts me. Copying issues coming from a company that "WILLFULLY" steals the trademarks iPhone, iPad, etc. from other companies??? They have no room to talk about willfully copying.
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Samsung did copy there ui.. there model... lol.. Nothing was creative in their design.. why is so hard for you guys to admit it?
Its a strategy they applied which was successful and earned them millions and now they have released another one which in looks is still almost the same... and u want apple to sit tight and let samsung capitalize on their success?
Apple still has intentions to be one of the most successful phone brand and android has taken a bug chunk of their customers. It was quite understandable move from apple to sue samsung right near launch of sg2... i hope u guys get the point... if still not.... then god bless ya
You guys must be blind if u r still ignoring the facts.
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jags_the1 said:
Samsung did copy there ui.. there model... lol.. Nothing was creative in their design.. why is so hard for you guys to admit it?
Its a strategy they applied which was successful and earned them millions and now they have released another one which in looks is still almost the same... and u want apple to sit tight and let samsung capitalize on their success?
Apple still has intentions to be one of the most successful phone brand and android has taken a bug chunk of their customers. It was quite understandable move from apple to sue samsung right near launch of sg2... i hope u guys get the point... if still not.... then god bless ya
You guys must be blind if u r still ignoring the facts.
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When this nonsense first appeared, it was revealed that samsung had developed a ui very similar to the iphone and unveiled it almost a year before the first iphone was released. It was crude compared to what we see now on iphone and Touchwiz but it's pretty clear that samsung had it first and has made it best.
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Let the lolling begin:
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jags_the1 said:
Samsung did copy there ui.. there model... lol.. Nothing was creative in their design.. why is so hard for you guys to admit it?
Its a strategy they applied which was successful and earned them millions and now they have released another one which in looks is still almost the same... and u want apple to sit tight and let samsung capitalize on their success?
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Let's make a poll and see how many of the Samsung owners bought the phone cause they thought it looked so much like an Iphone. If you want an Iphone you buy an Iphone, if you want a Samsung you buy a Samsung. Appled didn't invent the round shaped corner phones, nor did they invented the wheel or hot water like they might claim in the near future.
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Appled didn't invent the round shaped corner phones, nor did they invented the wheel or hot water like they might claim in the near future.
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I'm writing on behalf of Apple to insist that you cease and desist from making ludicrous claims about Apple's rights to make ludicrous claims about stuff they stole...erm...invented.
This is in itself in breach of retrospectively granted patent no 63578929, 'Patent to claim to have invented stuff (and we ain't even lying) 1895'.
The above patent is valid under Apple's patented patent system, patented by Apple Patents Inc in 4258BC.
If they stuck to saying 'well we didn't invent it but we implemented it really well, albeit in a somewhat restrictive manner', you'd have more sympathy, but this persistent reinvention of facts is just tedious.
Why would anyone buy a phone because it looks like the iphone and how many actually use touchwiz anyway, i got this phone as it is the best phone on the market and the best screen simple as.
It's funny, on a simple google search you can find tons of chinese/korean iphone and ipad replicas that look exactly the same, but Apple can't be bothered about them. Of course, you can ignore obscure producers whose phones are manufactured in the forests by panda bears cause if you sue them and you win you get 1 cart of bamboo leaves as compensation. Why not sue a top selling company with the hope that you will get a lot of money and at the same time causing them distress and huge losses. It's all about the competition and Apple relies on less conventional ways of trying to catch up / stay on top.
See what Steve **** says here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU
More of the same nonsense from Apple. They sued HTC a while back, see any shortages of HTC phones?
I wouldn't buy anything apple, I detest them as a company and don't see why all the iSheep like them so much. They are nowt special and ridiculously over-priced. I loved my Galaxy S but my Galaxy S2 is just SO much better. I'll probably get the Galaxy S3 after this.
i think iphone should not change..apple aims to sell to brainless people and it is an affordable target.
In my opinion the right question is: what android should do to sell to brainless people?
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Of course, you can ignore obscure producers whose phones are manufactured in the forests by panda bears cause if you sue them and you win you get 1 cart of bamboo leaves as compensation.
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LOL.. that had me laughing for a good 5 minutes...
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Apple have just been granted a general patent for the use of touchscreens and multitouch! This is really really sick, how did they manage to steal that idea and make it their own?
http://patft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph...7,966,578.PN.&OS=PN/7,966,578&RS=PN/7,966,578
http://www.ifans.com/blog/26252/
Found this yesterday. Why is Apple so (derogatory term)? What do u guys think? I personally love android and I have an ipod touch which even when u jailbreak and mod isn't nearly as customizable
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That's crazy!!! How can apple patent data structure. Or whatever the hell they did. I swear apple is skynet. Apple sucks I will never buy any apple product. +1 to the zune (forget iPod)
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Apple is running out of ways to innovate I think so is going after the competition.
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Apple is running out of ways to innovate I think so is going after the competition.
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More or less this. Apple isn't used to real competition and they are getting desperate.
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Lol there just mad cus every new htc phone blows the iphone out of the water! They always try to innovate something thats been done.like there dual core chip sucks compared to the evo 3 d chip or other dual core phones and tablets.moneyhungry company wants all the money and to eliminate the competition noooot gunna happen i personally hate apple products theres too much to list about why they are overpriced and old technology that they claim to be breaking lol for example a 3k laptops p.c vs a macbook pro is not even a laughing matter its sad the p.c is way ahead in technology apples just trying to make people feel safe with there ****ty operating system that if u ask me sucks!!
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http://www.ifans.com/blog/26252/
Found this yesterday. Why is Apple so (derogatory term)? What do u guys think? I personally love android and I have an ipod touch which even when u jailbreak and mod isn't nearly as customizable
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After reading both patents and the portions of the claims made by Apple, I suppose the ITC is right. HTC does infringe on the patents, but so does every other computer and smartphone manufacturer.
In the first patent, what Apple seems to have been allowed to process is the method by which a computer can search for, identify, and allocate actions to strings of data in a system comprising of a processor, ram, and disk storage. Kind of like the context menu used in every operating system produced today that has a graphical interface.
The second patent is a little harder to understand. It claims that Apple's people invented what boils down to symmetric multiprocessing using a WAN, so long as the device being used to process this plurality of realtime services to and from a number of independent applications and devices is embodied by a hardware device with programmable software. Which also sounds like just about any computer currently made.
I think the ITC will overrule the initial decision, given that both of these patents are old and these practices are in use worldwide by every computing company. If this were upheld, I can't think of a single smartphone manufacturer that would be allowed to import devices anymore.
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Apple is running out of ways to innovate I think so is going after the competition.
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I think this is squarely an attack on free culture and open source software. I mean, I don't see why WP7 isn't infringing on these patents either.
When your competitor is open source and royalty-free, the only way to compete is by making a better product. Although others may disagree, I think Android is a far superior product - Apple's operating system has to run on about 10 devices, a lot of which are no longer supported - and since it's open source, its mindshare is essentially infinite, and it will continue improving beyond Apple's products.
Apple's other problem is their walled-garden approach. The reason they lost all their mindshare is because they choose not to produce something viable for a wide-range of devices. That's the primary reason they lost so much mindshare and market share. They introduced a market and immediately cordoned themselves off to a corner of it before they even had any competitors! The door was wide open for a competitor and of course, Google stepped in. There were others of course, like HP, Palm, maybe Intel and Microsoft but they never got their act together. I still shed a tear every time I think of Nokia and Symbian.
Let's not forget that these inventions are mind-numbingly obvious. If someone texts you a number, obviously you would want to call it or save it, right? Not to mention that email clients and webbrowsers have been autoformatting websites and email addresses since the dawn of time, so there's ubiquitous prior art out there. The first patent should be struck down immediately. I don't even know what the second patent is supposed to be, but it sounds really vague and BS.
Finally, what HTC says is true. It's sad that Apple's wasting not only their own resources, but all their enemies' resources as well on legal fees. What this is showing is that patent litigation is hampering innovation rather than stimulating it. In a fast-moving field like mobile development, where products are long since obsolete once they expire, software patents make no sense, they only hamper innovation, and they should be banned.
I agree, anyone ever thought of submitting a formal response to the lawsuit. I'm sure it it went to every xda forum we could a bunch of support. Its not perfect but its how out law system works. Lol, the ball has to start somewhere ya know?
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I agree with the point that Apple is not being innovative and scared of the competition. IOS hasn't changed at all, the devices are all by Apple and they are too locked down. Android is open source there are a good number of manufacturers which give ppl options. I own an iPod touch and its nice for playing music but theres really nothing to it. Most ppl who own apple products don't know anything about them. I know a lot of ppl who think that since its called iPhone 4G, they get 4G data. Now I can say that Apple started a huge thing with capacitive screens and the whole touch screen and apps, but a good business should keep coming up with new things instead of saying here's what we made, this is all you get, and everyone thinks its the best.
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Reports are coming in that Apple has been granted a preliminary injunction for the entire European Union (excluding Netherlands) that will halt distribution of Samsung’s Galaxy Tab 10.1. This comes on the heels of a postponed launch of the device in Australia due to a lawsuit with Apple.
The decision by the Regional Court of Dusseldorf in Germany to block sales of the device comes after a judge sided with Apple on claims that Galaxy Tab infringed on patents related to the iPad 2. While Samsung can appeal the court’s decision sometime in the next month, the Telegraph’s Shane Richmond is quick to point out it would be heard by the same judge. Apple is also said to have a separate lawsuit filed in the Netherlands as well.
Samsung had this to say in a recent statement about their legal disputes with Apple:
“Samsung believes that there is no legal basis for this assertion. We will continue to serve our customers and distributors and the sale of Samsung products will be continued.”
And Apple has made their stance on the situation clear…
“It’s no coincidence that Samsung’s latest products look a lot like the iPhone and iPad, from the shape of the hardware to the user interface and even the packaging. This kind of blatant copying is wrong, and we need to protect Apple’s intellectual property when companies steal our ideas.”
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I admit i'm a transformer guy and an iPhone user but this really sucks ... come on apple how different can a tablet really be...
Here is a great article.... http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/08/preliminary-injunction-granted-by.html
I fell bad for the android fans in Europe, I have to say that the galaxy tab 10 is the best android tablet out there. I have owned and used them all.
Yah, I have a GT 10.1 and and iPhone 4, and there's really not much different about any of the tablets. There all a flat sheet of glass....
Guess they'll have to make due with this instead:
http://www.samsung.com/us/simulators/galaxytab101emulator/
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Guess they'll have to make due with this instead:
http://www.samsung.com/us/simulators/galaxytab101emulator/
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That isn't such a bad thing, since the emulator runs faster than the real thing
Wow this is crazy....i don't know how the galaxy tab 10.1 is similar to ipad2?
Atleast with the phone there is some argument with touchwiz looking similar to iphone with home button. But with the tab 10.1? Seriously Apple cmon let consumers have choice to buy what they want. Eventually the better product will win, not by blocking compitetor product sales.
Maybe Apple is worried about a better product...
No difference at all
Only a different screen size, aspect ratio, OS, camera orientation, speaker design, double the RAM...
My country makes me sad!
Looks a lot like apple products... how many ways can you design a flat device be it a phone or a tab? then they say the user interface looks a lot like apple iOS when it couldnt be more different! in fact its 100 times better and thats what has got apple messing themselves.
not a peep out of apple for yrs until android, samsung and htc have come along and started to kick their ass
They should have skipped Touchwizz, it makes the tablet look like an Ipad.
Oh, all ports are an EXACT copy of Apple products.
No SD-Card, same plug + adapters, same price etc. makes it look and feel Ipad like, not Android like !
The really wanted to beat Apple and took over to much.
I guess the 10.1 is dead now. Propably they will hurry to release a Tegra3 Tab.
I am really pissed...
http://winfuture.de/news,64823.html
I ordered my GT10.1 yesterday from Germany and it shipped today (at least i hope it did).
Of all Sammy products, the GT10.1 seems the least like an apple product, in specs, hardware and software, especially compared to earlier phones.
Yet Apple is after the GT10.1 probably cause they know they've lost dominance in the cell phone market to android phones, and very much fear the same will happen in the tablet market,especially since GT10.1 is the most credible (if not better at least hardware wise) competition.
Apples is a smart innovative company, but I felt from my iPod touch days that I couldn't live with their suffocating and closed (my-way-or-no-way) approach to using their products.
Now, it seems like apple is taking their domineering ways one notch further and just trying to suffocate any competition.
I hope Apple keeps making good products but I hope they don't succeed in killing alternatives. Just leave the choice to us customers.
Well, this is unique. The EU has been quick to block, ban, stop or otherwise harrass American companies just because they're American companies. Even when there's no legal reason or precidence to do so.
Part of me wishes Apple well just for that reason. Alas, the logical part of me wishes justice be served.
Isn't it ironic that a decade ago that Microsoft was the evil empire and Apple was the underdog. Now Apple has become the evil empire and scarier than Microsoft ever was.
One thing is for sure, if Apple stops me of using a product I like, then Apple is more than a just a bad product ... This is such bad advertisement ...
I say, Samsung use this! Great opportunity.
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They should have skipped Touchwizz, it makes the tablet look like an Ipad.
Oh, all ports are an EXACT copy of Apple products.
No SD-Card, same plug + adapters, same price etc. makes it look and feel Ipad like, not Android like !
The really wanted to beat Apple and took over to much.
I guess the 10.1 is dead now. Propably they will hurry to release a Tegra3 Tab.
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May be you should troll somewhere else. Also, when you haven't compared 2 side by side, then don't even post anything in regards to Gtab.
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its reasons like this i sold my ipad, and iphone;
bought a HTC Desire HD, and a Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
will never buy another apple product again.
Apple is suing HTC, too. And at this point, theyre winning. I mean, how different can a tablet be??!!! What, apple wants everyone else to make round products that only have a black 'speak-only' screen????
Wtf apple!!??? God, i HATE apple!
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Time to hit the drawing boards. The gtab is dead. Well this should allow Samsung to come out with something more defined and truly a work of art.
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Well, things are not looking very good for Samsung right at the moment. A judge in Germany has declared that until this whole IP lawsuit by Apple is settled, Samsung cannot sell their new Galaxy Tab 10.1 anywhere in the EU except for the Netherlands. A similar ruling in Australia previously blocked sales down under as well.
Many pundits are saying they expect this to be the first falling rocks of a judicial landslide in Apple's favor that will savage Samsung's reputation as a rising player in the mobile space and force them to either withdraw most of the Galaxy line of products from sale or pay a massive sum to Apple...or possibly both.
This decision and the mindset behind it pisses me off. Remember that a lie unchallenged becomes the truth, and may then be used to support further lies. The lies that have become truth amongst the digital intelligentsia due to being unchallenged (or at least by having the challenges shouted down too often) are that "Apple invented the GUI" (not true, that was Xerox), that "Apple invented the Smartphone" (not true, that was probably Palm with the Treo or Nokia) and that "Apple invented using Apps" (not true, I had some great Apps on my PocketPC and my Treo both, only they were still called Programs). You can read those same fables almost every day, with the word "invented" being used in place of the more honest terms "popularized" or "helped develop", on almost all tech blogs and newspapers on the net.
Those fables are now being used to support the far broader fable that "Apple invented mobile computing" which to a degree was upheld by this German judge when he supported Apple's claim that any flat rectangle with a large touch screen is essential stolen from Cupertino. This sort of thinking, for all kinds of reasons, is just plain wrong.
So at first I fumed...but then I thought it all through again, and saw that the worst case scenario may not be so bad after all, and that to a degree Samsung brought it on themselves. Are Galaxy products similar to Apple iOS devices? Sure, especially the TouchWiz GUI. Faced with a market that clearly loved the way the iPhone looked and operated, Samsung opted to give them a slightly tweaked version of what they loved rather then try to convince them to try something new. It is tough to blame them...look at Microsoft. All critics agreed that Windows Phone 7 was fresh and innovative and a good start that would improve rapidly...and consumers STILL stayed away in droves. MS is staying the course and betting that eventually WP7 will catch on, but that takes a company willing to burn an enormous amount of money and patience...which most companies just can't do the way that Redmond can.
Therefore Samsung pandered to the public's current tastes and may now pay the price for that....but we as users may see something good come out of this.
Am I the only one that is bored to tears by the iOS interface? Can't we move beyond the minimalist Apple design concept that seems to inspire almost every phone and tablet available today? Perhaps if the courts side with Apple in this lawsuit, it will force Samsung and other tech companies to innovate again, to take risks on new form factors and different ways to present content and features, to go beyond the big rectangle with the large touchscreen and the app icons. If products are not allowed to look like an iPhone anymore, what WILL new products look like? I have no idea...and I like that.
People have spent a lot of time looking for an iPhone/iPad killer...but for a product to truly compete with those heavyweights it has to first of all be DIFFERENT from them. Experience has shown that if you try to beat Steve Jobs at his own game, you will lose and just be another snide jab in his next keynote. For a product to succeed it first has to stand out in both form and function. Win or lose, hopefully this lawsuit will make that clear to Samsung....or somebody.
EDIT: Here is an interesting note...Samsung is not alone in being a target for Apple's ire. They are also suing Motorola in Europe over the design of the Xoom. COuld a similar injunction be seen soon that will end Xoom sales in Europe? Read the details at http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/08/apple-is-also-suing-motorola-in-europe.html
I will hope apple lose in their anti competitive behavior. If apple win this battle, there will be more ridiculous court case eg, Toshiba will sue apple for the 'look and feel' like a computer, IBM will sue cos having the word 'OS' , Ford will sue every car with four wheels, MS will sue any system for having a boot up screen... I want my galaxy tab 8.9 now!!!!
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don't wanna be a smartshitter but Ford didn't invent the car my friend^^
That was Mr Daimler from Germany who build the "first" car and Mr Benz who build the first "modern" car years before Ford...and who knows what these nasty germans will do^^
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don't wanna be a smartshitter but Ford didn't invent the car my friend^^
That was Mr Benz from Germany...and who knows what these nasty germans will do^^
greetz
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True, but Ford spent a lot of time and newsprint saying that Ford invented the "mass produced" car, eventually dropping the mass produced part. Now if you ask people what the first car was, a sizable majority (especially in the US) will say the Model T Ford. Just like most people now would say that Apple invented the Tablet.
rschenck did you have a look at the actual community design in question? for me it looks like if this lawsuite is a win for apple, nobody else will be allowed to actually built tablets anymore... so i guess this will just hold back the tab 10.1 for a while on european market, but not stop samsung at all...
edit: and this has solely to do with the case design, nothing about the interface there...
rschenck, an excellent post about a very important subject. I agree that this could be a reason for Samsung and others to boost innovation and creativity.
In general, it seems just madness to me that a company like Apple is able to prevent others using similar form factor. I suppose the German judge is not to blame, he's just doing his job (well I didn't really check if he had a choice. I guess it's the ones that make the legislation who would need to be educated.
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Btw how likely is it that a person buying a phone accidentally gets a Samsung because he/she thinks it's an iPhone? Come on, tell me people aren't that stupid. Oh well, I guess there must be fair amount of those who can't read, shopping for smartphones. But still, there's the picture of an apple...
I wonder if Apple has thought of suing apple farmers for growing products that resemble their logo. Just think about it: the poor customer thinks he's getting an iPhone and when he gets home he finds out he bought a fruit.
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rschenck did you have a look at the actual community design in question? for me it looks like if this lawsuite is a win for apple, nobody else will be allowed to actually built tablets anymore... so i guess this will just hold back the tab 10.1 for a while on european market, but not stop samsung at all...
edit: and this has solely to do with the case design, nothing about the interface there...
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I am not sure of your point in the first paragraph, but based on what I think you are saying I agree that if Apple wins all it is asking for, that other companies will need to look to radical new designs and Google may need to relax their hardware restrictions to a great degree to allow companies to compete.
The German decision just hinges on the form factor of the Galaxy Tab 10.1, but the GUI and TouchWiz interface play a big part in the overall legal argument.
Here is a good breakdown of the lawsuit and what Apple is claiming...http://thisismynext.com/2011/04/19/apple-sues-samsung-analysis/
Still a bit silly on apple, they think they own the form factor of a tablet. Just like Sony decided they own the invention of the TV screen. The 10.1 is nothing like the ipad, for a start it's 16:4 ratio whether other is 4:3, how on earth one can be mistaken a square for a rectangle. I hope the Beatles start suing apple for the name
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I hope the Beatles start suing apple for the name
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Been there done that....Jobs won.
Ok, I hope LG will sued apple for using 'touch' as an interface.
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See my edit above...Motorola joins the fray as well.
Last year I wanted to buy a new smartphone, and as an Apple fanboy I only thought about buying an iPhone. Unfortunately in my country when the iPhone 4 was launched it costed around €650 which was too expensive for my wallet. Then I met the Galaxy S, which was basically kind of an iPhone rip-off but was €250 cheaper. I bought the Galaxy S and today it's still my phone.
So yes, in the end, if the i9000 didn't exist I guess I would have probably ended up buying the iPhone, and Apple could easily argue that they lost at least one customer because the TouchWiz UI and overall design looks pretty much like the iPhone.
I know there's more people in the world like me, I know how many times non tech savvy people asked me if I had bought an iPhone when they saw my Samsung phone for the first time... so in the end we must admit that Apple has a point
The iPhone has a very strong product image among the consumer and Samsung capitalized on that!
Look at it like this, apple sucks! The mac is a pc! Windows stomped apple for years and still does. Jobs never could get it right. Microsoft wins because they have one, not many ideas. The pc was made to be universal, the outside can be anything you or I want it to be. Ios and android are nothing alike. All apple is concerns about is the fact people are tired of being told what they can do with the crapple they bought! That's why I switched. When jobs dies, see what happens! Apple will rape the ios trying to get back to the top! Can I use words instead of icons to open an app or display the weather, not on crapple! Can a maxi pad hook to a server to fix an issue, nope! It's an over sized ipod! Now samsung screwed themselves with the 10.1! Look at it, one cable that looks just like apples, one port, the damn cheap plastic, it wreaks of copy cat! Apple couldn't patent the use of "market" cause then the flea market and grocery market would eat their lunch! Apple is losing the war and they know it! All they are doing is slowing their eventual death! I say we invent a toy and call it the iplug! Of course as soon as apple hears it, they will sue. An apple with the letter I on top! Only problem apple is unaware that it's an adult toy! How pathetic would they look?
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@rschenk
Nice to take a break from flashing and bricking and then puffing and panting.........
Firstly,their TAB went on sale in India and Australia today I believe.
I reckon the biggest market for Samsung is all-Asia inclusive of big brother China where Apple will not be able to stop anything!In fact,Chinese stores started selling 'Hi-phone 5' today,for virtually a song.
Yes,where these firms make a mistake is the 'Me-too' attitude like you mentioned in the case of the GUI viz TOUCHWIZ in the case of Samsung and of course the form factor.
All said and done,it's 'dog eat dog' out there with android itself being under very severe attack from Apple/Microsoft.The biggest gainer eventually would be the customers with some real differentiating possibilities beyond the mere price of these expensive gadgets!
ps---really enjoyed your post!
i want to sue steve jobs because he looks like someone i know
Great thread ! i totally agree with you on this, I do like the Samsung android devices, BUT they do look a lot like the iphone, just like the MIUI rom (which im using lol)
It would be great if Samsung made massive changes to their devices, and something 10 x better than iOS which to be honest.... is nice..
Who knows whats going to happen, maybe its just bullying on a mass scale, Maybe its for the best... But no matter what happens, I will never own an iphone, I will go back to a nokia 6210 if i have too.
I dont rape iphone users, I havent got the balls (pun intended!) But for me, i hate apple, i hate the restrictions, the forcing of using itunes only. and all the other **** they make you do.
I want a phone that i can suit to my needs, and do what i want to it. And thats why i am an android user. Its not Samsung that i like.... its android, so as long as android continues... i couldnt give a **** !!
To be honest,
I love the quality of Samsung products, and this made me kinda fan-boy of them. Because their quality is superb. If there was a better company I would switch but there is not. (Depending on the device of course, canon makes better reflex camera, no doubt, just as example).
You can look at this as a step to the future because companies now might improve their product designs, but we are talking about tablets. What do you think tablets look like? I don't see tablets in a pyramid case... honestly, for me it is just a huge "what the f*ck".
Thumbs down for Apple and the Judge who is a complete retard.
Regards
There's why our xoom has the funny crap way of being used. Microsoft did it! Let's all mass email Microsoft and tell 'em we are switching to Mac and ios! See what happens to apple. I am sick of buying devices and being told I can't do what I want with it! Next they will stop selling printing paper cuz it's white and rectangled! Then there's the saying the alphabet....abcdefghjklmnopqrstuvxyz! Apple didn't invent crap! They stole most of everything they make! I say we start a petition to stop apple's lawsuits. Or we can file a class action against apple for being idiots! And another thing! Why do Mac's work with windows? Oh yeah apple's CPU sucked!!!!!
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Well, it's a company's job to make money to its shareholders. Can we really blame Apple alone for using methods like this? After all it seems that (legally) Apple has a case here so it's worth trying. Imo the question is should there be patent and IP laws that allow patenting a rectangular shape
Intelligent thinking. Very well written too. You deserve a pat on shoulder.