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So I found this great app that tells me how much life I have left on my battery. I find that with my phone I can hardly go pass 16 hours with MODERATE use yet everyone here is bragging about easily passing 30hrs with HEAVY use. So I'm asking you guys, to please, download this app called BatteryTime Lite and post your pics or info here. Lets compare the results. Remember to set the level to 100% as shown in my pic below..
Also I herd the P/N might be related, mine is 99HKE002-00 F ..Guessing F means Failure.
Are you using Cyanogen's ROM???
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Are you using Cyanogen's ROM???
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No, stock. Why you ask?
i read somewhere that Stock and Cyanogen's ROM have display consuming a lot of battery... its fixed on enomther's and modaco's desire port...
On Cyanogen and Stock, Display consumes ~60% battery while on Enomther's and MoDaCo's desire port, display consumes 15~20% battery...
faraz1992 said:
i read somewhere that Stock and Cyanogen's ROM have display consuming a lot of battery... its fixed on enomther's and modaco's desire port...
On Cyanogen and Stock, Display consumes ~60% battery while on Enomther's and MoDaCo's desire port, display consumes 15~20% battery...
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Thats what I herd too..thats why I'm also calling google a lier about saying this thing lasts 20hours with audio playback.
I'm curious, do they see a big improvement in battery when the display using 15-20% battery or its just numbers that were out a place to begin with?
I have identical figures. That combined with picking the N1 from a list says to me that these are just database figures rather than real world ones for your handset.
Root your phone and then install cyanogenmod and one of the under volted kernels. I usually get 24 - 30 hours battery life.
I just ran a test. I left the mp3 player on all night turn all the way on repeat. SO far after 8hrs of playing I was at 52%. If I'm correct, I just might be able to hit 18hrs...MMMM
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Root your phone and then install cyanogenmod and one of the under volted kernels. I usually get 24 - 30 hours battery life.
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Completely far from the part that I said google lied. Though I'm planning to root if the next update does not improve or fix these issues.
myplague said:
Root your phone and then install cyanogenmod and one of the under volted kernels. I usually get 24 - 30 hours battery life.
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what kernel is this? i am running cyanmod 5.0.5.3 and kernel 2.6.33.1-cyanogenmod [email protected]#1
I know the last letter of my p/n is B and its amazing
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I know the last letter of my p/n is B and its amazing
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link if u dont mind, sorry for jackin the thread.... back to our reg scheduled program
jack away..
zachthemaster said:
I know the last letter of my p/n is B and its amazing
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No problems at all? no 3g issues?, battery only lasting a day or half? or touch screen issues?
Ok after 100% charge..the app is telling me that my phone will last 10hr:48min with moderate use....anyone thinking that the F on my P/N might mean battery sucker..
i have the exact same numbers as you. if you choose other instead of the phone type it asks you to enter your battery's info so it sounds like it only goes by the type of battery anyway. Not actual usage specific to your phone
My phone ends in an F as well. My battery life SUCKS right now. I have tried everything. The weird thing is it was good until I rooted my phone and applied Cyanogen rom. I've tried .2 and .3 for the Cyan rom's, all with bad battery life. I've tried wiping batterystats, fulling draining battery then recharging, task killer to wipe anything in the background, I even have a 2nd battery. No luck. I've also tried the undervolted kernal, but I didn't really notice a difference with it. (Only tried it for about a day so)
Bottom line though, something is going on. Something (I suspect with Cyan's roms) is killing battery life for some of us. I just wish I could figure out what it is.
faraz1992 said:
i read somewhere that Stock and Cyanogen's ROM have display consuming a lot of battery... its fixed on enomther's and modaco's desire port...
On Cyanogen and Stock, Display consumes ~60% battery while on Enomther's and MoDaCo's desire port, display consumes 15~20% battery...
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Not saying your're wrong but can anybody else back this up or debunk it?
Beautiful phone with bad battery life and bad signal.That was just my experience.
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So I found this great app that tells me how much life I have left on my battery. I find that with my phone I can hardly go pass 16 hours with MODERATE use yet everyone here is bragging about easily passing 30hrs with HEAVY use. So I'm asking you guys, to please, download this app called BatteryTime Lite and post your pics or info here. Lets compare the results. Remember to set the level to 100% as shown in my pic below..
Also I herd the P/N might be related, mine is 99HKE002-00 F ..Guessing F means Failure.
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Any chance you're using Weatherbug or Weatherbug elite (based on your SS)? After installing weatherbug and using the widget I got absolutely ABYSMAL battery life. I've purchased several other weather widgets and none had the effect that Weatherbug did for some reason. I removed it and battery life is back to normal again (moderate use and plenty of battery at the end of the day).
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No problems at all? no 3g issues?, battery only lasting a day or half? or touch screen issues?
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no problems AT ALL
no dead pixels
no purple tint, crystal clear and saturated colors
battery lasts 1.5+ days
3G (at&t) is almost ALWAYS there and quick as balls
palm reach thing is gone.. i mean, i had the t-mob version before this one and its exponentially a better experience all around.
data is QUICK too... i mean quick
How long your battery lasts definitely depends on the apps youre using, I use my phone a lot, probably more than the average user, although i dont make many calls. My phone will easily last from when I leave my house around 530am till 11pm or so when I go to bed. I do use a task manager to kill stuff I dont need running every once in a while, I think it really just depends on how you use it. I use it for a lot of texting, surfing and news, and Pandora at work. I use wifi when im at home although ive never noticed it eating my battery. Yesterday I was playing Pandora over bluetooth on 3G for a little over 3 hours and it only took 5% of my battery. Im on Cyanogen 5.0.5.3, if that matters. With all that said I rarely go all day without charging it, I usually plug it in a bit at work and plug it in when I get home, but if I dont for whatever reason it easily lasts my whole day.
just want to say thank you to
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1178912
i am like shocked 1st time i did a root by hand was so used to the one clicks now i am more open mentally and respect the one click apps more because of understand the back work behind them and i fully respect the guide i was giving more info and really opened my mind thanks
i wanted to post on there but i cant sense i am new but i wanted to say thanks my phone is rooted and nice just need to calibration the battery and i setcpu to the lowest when screen off and now no stock apps on it so happy just want to get battery great lol thats kinda why i rooted in the first place
but anyway thanks so much
wealthy23 said:
just want to say thank you to
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1178912
i am like shocked 1st time i did a root by hand was so used to the one clicks now i am more open mentally and respect the one click apps more because of understand the back work behind them and i fully respect the guide i was giving more info and really opened my mind thanks
i wanted to post on there but i cant sense i am new but i wanted to say thanks my phone is rooted and nice just need to calibration the battery and i setcpu to the lowest when screen off and now no stock apps on it so happy just want to get battery great lol thats kinda why i rooted in the first place
but anyway thanks so much
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Glad this worked for you!
forgot one thing
i forgot to say it was a mix of this post
a post from android forms about downgrading as well can post link yet but it was the part about the version number had to type in when you got to the entering version number in the cmd
for more info google the title "adb permisions denied solved (downgrade stock 2.3.4 mt4g)"
and thanks but one question about my battery after every new rom flash you have to calibrate to get the right reading on the battery and better battery life?
wealthy23 said:
i forgot to say it was a mix of this post
a post from android forms about downgrading as well can post link yet but it was the part about the version number had to type in when you got to the entering version number in the cmd
for more info google the title "adb permisions denied solved (downgrade stock 2.3.4 mt4g)"
and thanks but one question about my battery after every new rom flash you have to calibrate to get the right reading on the battery and better battery life?
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Let the phone die then charge it while the phone is off. Once the LED turns green leave it in the charger for another 2 hours or so. The turn it on and download battery calibration app and run that. Do that a couple times and you'll be good!
wow thanks so much cant wait to do that cuz on my old dext rooted battery life was so long i loved it and i hope to do the same with my mytouch 4g
and i will do that thanks i will download the app and just leave it on my sd card till the time to use it thanks again
just hope i dont have to buy a new battery
also one more question sorry will doing this help with battery life during games like cut the rope, fruit ninja, and samurai 2?
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wow thanks so much cant wait to do that cuz on my old dext rooted battery life was so long i loved it and i hope to do the same with my mytouch 4g
and i will do that thanks i will download the app and just leave it on my sd card till the time to use it thanks again
just hope i dont have to buy a new battery
also one more question sorry will doing this help with battery life during games like cut the rope, fruit ninja, and samurai 2?
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Its really very hard to save any
battery while screen gaming.. But overall battery life should be better after this.
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thanks so much i am still waiting for battery to die out so i can do the full charge again .
and my friend he says he can use wifi and blue tooth and batter lasts a day and sometimes a day and a half i read some forums conforming this i guess this should help.
if anything should i buy a higher mAh battery?
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thanks so much i am still waiting for battery to die out so i can do the full charge again .
and my friend he says he can use wifi and blue tooth and batter lasts a day and sometimes a day and a half i read some forums conforming this i guess this should help.
if anything should i buy a higher mAh battery?
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I just got done with my first full drain on both of my Anker batteries that I purchased, I honestly only bought them because they are a slightly bigger mAh and it came with 2 and a external charger so I could charge both at the same time, this way I can go super hardcore usage all the time, and never fear of battery... I still barely need the second one.. But still it will still depend on what you're needs/expectations from this particular device are.. I don't use a PC for anything.. Since my father does not like me on it, I type school papers on my phone sometimes and everything, so I rely on my phone to be there.
So
maybe just use the phone for a week and gauge what your going to need, also keep an eye on those partial wake percentages found in spare parts, or betterbatterystats on the market (not free :/)
As those wakes amount to some battery wastes.
Hopefully you can sift through this and grab some info any other questions i'm here.
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also you might try Juice Defender, I have ultimate and what a great application it is!!!
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wow thanks alot and yeah i just got Juice Defender ultimate i am learning how to use it
i also heard from a friend who has nice youtube videos on roms and flashing he talked about the MIUI ROMs i red up on them and how they have a custom kernel with built in battery saving tweaks that are applied when installed so cool
also I red that task killers are bad and can mess up phone in long run
i am using CM7.0.3 now what ROM are you using?
i am also on my first drain battery was on zero now its doing the full charge now so after this i should be able to do normal use now with juice defender i hope it works well
but wow you really max your phone what is the mAh on your batteries and how much was it?
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wow thanks alot and yeah i just got Juice Defender ultimate i am learning how to use it
i also heard from a friend who has nice youtube videos on roms and flashing he talked about the MIUI ROMs i red up on them and how they have a custom kernel with built in battery saving tweaks that are applied when installed so cool
also I red that task killers are bad and can mess up phone in long run
i am using CM7.0.3 now what ROM are you using?
i am also on my first drain battery was on zero now its doing the full charge now so after this i should be able to do normal use now with juice defender i hope it works well
but wow you really max your phone what is the mAh on your batteries and how much was it?
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I think they are advertised with 1700 mAh ... There right around 1400 but its two of them which is why I got em. I think 26$ for the while thing. Amazon, would you like the link?
Yes TJD's MIUI has a lot of battery improvements, I use that but I just can't get myself to like the MIUI because I guess it is like the iPhone too much. I am currently running CM 7 nighties because I love the cm thing, always have, I like the royal ginger 3.0 but doesn't seem like team royal is on that ship anymore. :/ shame, its a very fast ROM!
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Link to the batteries, if you need them out Whatevzzz
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004Y...f_=sr_1_1&s=electronics&qid=1317176107&sr=1-1
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thanks those are the ones i was looking at and i think the white ones by Anker are the 1700 mAh the reviews in this alot of people say its 1400mAh I really want a 1700mAh if I am buying lol
and cool i will keep looking into MIUI was there still a big need to get new batteries using that ROM or you just see your battery getting weak period?
and with the battery improvements in MIUI does that mean gaming with cut the rope samurai 2 and fruit ninja will kill battery less?
This morning was last step in the battery calibration and battery is on 94% been on 1 hour and 31 mins with no calling at all just text and one reboot to fix some settings in juice defender I have no data coming to my phone at all till next week when new biling cycle starts but I am not sure if this is a good reading if the battery is good or not not sure
But when I opened setcpu the mhz was up to 1000mhz I had to set it to 768mhz and scaling back to conservative.
wow during this reply 2 texts came in and battery is at 93% not sure what to do I am thinking of recalibrating the battery before either buy a new battery or try MIUI what you think is best?
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thanks those are the ones i was looking at and i think the white ones by Anker are the 1700 mAh the reviews in this alot of people say its 1400mAh I really want a 1700mAh if I am buying lol
and cool i will keep looking into MIUI was there still a big need to get new batteries using that ROM or you just see your battery getting weak period?
and with the battery improvements in MIUI does that mean gaming with cut the rope samurai 2 and fruit ninja will kill battery less?
This morning was last step in the battery calibration and battery is on 94% been on 1 hour and 31 mins with no calling at all just text and one reboot to fix some settings in juice defender I have no data coming to my phone at all till next week when new biling cycle starts but I am not sure if this is a good reading if the battery is good or not not sure
But when I opened setcpu the mhz was up to 1000mhz I had to set it to 768mhz and scaling back to conservative.
wow during this reply 2 texts came in and battery is at 93% not sure what to do I am thinking of recalibrating the battery before either buy a new battery or try MIUI what you think is best?
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Always go with the cheapest option first, MIUI, then if you need to get batteries do so.. Yes? I don't pay an extreme amount of attention to percentage, I actually prefer to look at the graphical battery because as long as I have 15% I'll b ok, and it makes it seem like it is going down slower (;
Edit:::: I am at 96% been up since 6AM when I booted up after I took it off the charger, same oc settings as previously mentioned, but in editing this post went down to 95
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hey sorry for late replay
and ok cool i will do MIUI tomorrow and recalibration it also lol will do it that day cuz i will see my father and he likes iphones it would b cool to go from CM7 to MIUI in front of his eyes lol but i think i might need a new batrery cuz i am now thinking back and i had a motorla cliq with blur and it was a brand new phone with new batt and all I used the cm7 nightly I loved it just hate the random reboots but battery was beautiful also gaming was cool also
I think but I will get the anker 1700mah
and I didn’t see your oc settings I also red that MIUI doesn’t need to b oc or anything its set automatically
and is your nightlys stable?
Nightly seems stable and I'm at 1700 oc ondemand kernal is TDJ
Miuidoesnt need anything changed
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yeah thats what i noticed in the MIUI i am thinking not to even use juice defender or setcpu my main focus is getting battery like my old phone dext but i am loving the MIUI looking at the youtube videos on it
i had a iphone 3g with whited00r on it loved it it was so nice n smooth but i new android was better the hardware on a mytouch 4g is better than the iphone 4 its just so much android does
do you know a great keyboard app for the droid i used touchpal smart keyboard there ok swype is good but i like the 2.3.4 one that came stock dont know how to get it
what keyboard do you like?
wealthy23 said:
yeah thats what i noticed in the MIUI i am thinking not to even use juice defender or setcpu my main focus is getting battery like my old phone dext but i am loving the MIUI looking at the youtube videos on it
i had a iphone 3g with whited00r on it loved it it was so nice n smooth but i new android was better the hardware on a mytouch 4g is better than the iphone 4 its just so much android does
do you know a great keyboard app for the droid i used touchpal smart keyboard there ok swype is good but i like the 2.3.4 one that came stock dont know how to get it
what keyboard do you like?
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Well, I use Smart Keyboard PRO, because the only people I text are my gf and parents.. I call friends.. so I don't need the speedy responses this helps me pick suggestions way before I type the words. I own Swiftkey but hardly use it, for I lack the time to allow it to learn my style.. swype just doesn't jive with typing in passwords and such. I hardly have problems with SKP have used it since it was Cyril's little project when it debuted.
Now you can download the original android keyboard if you wanted to on the market I think its from Steven Lin or something... what exactly r u looking for in a keyboard?
Yea "Droid does" huh?
If you came from the iPhone I suggest using MIUI as it is like IOS a bit more then AOSP, as I'm sure u can tell.
But that's the beauty of Nandroids, don't like it? Messed up? Restore!
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I seriously flashed 4 roms today, two twice since posting my percentage this morning... heavy usage the entire day, texted the entire time, and total of like 10 hours Display time... 100% brightness - 40% and I'm at 38% battery right now after finally subsiding in the CM nightlies again. I guess sense isn't my thing. And the other aosp Roms are all on like 2.3.4
Nightlies r on 2.3.7
So I guess what I'm saying is I can make it thru a whole day with extreme usage
I hope I helped somehow with everything u had a question on so far. Don't hesitate to ask anything else, I am always surfing XDA at school because I lack the interest required for note taking
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it could be the stock screen protecter on but I like smart keyboard pro just that its less responsive then the htc sense keyboard you know the standard keyboard with white hollow oval letter and the predictions are in rectangular oval style above looks smooth would send you a youtube link
But from you telling me your heavy usage plus switching roms I think its my battery I will flash MIUI hopefully today
and see from there and I don’t like sense earlier just feels weird I use launcher pro
And with the nightlys being 2.3.7 how come you find battery better? i am kinda confused i know games kill battery fast but what about calling n internet wifi yesterday those really hurt my battery
Also with my moto cliq I was using nightly as well I might try one do you know a safe nightly that doesn’t random reboot?
And your helping big time you have the same phone and your rooted and alls so I like the info you have shared with me thanks
Well I don't no where to start really as I know I will get told off for making a new thread about battery life!
But this is hopefully some help for people out there that are trying to get a decent ROM and kernel to improve your battery life, well mine has really improved since flashing my Samsung GS2 with Lite'ning ROM 6.1 and flashing the kernel with SpeedMOD T-40.
I have spent lots of hours reading forums about battery life, I think I have tried everything known to man about this phone, somethings worked well somethings didn't, I wanted to get a decent battery life with out sacrificing any features I love about my phone!
When I got into rooting, about 2 months ago I was a n00b, but I stuck to it and learnt a lot each day, it's not easy and you can't expect someone to tell you how to do it, you have to read up about it like everyone else!
But anyway back to why I've created a new thread, well after installing Lite'ning ROM 6.1 at the beginning of the week which I really like as it keeps the Samsung software, I've used TB Pro to freeze the Hubs as I don't use them, the battery life wasn't what I thought, in fact I think I got a better battery life with the stock rom unrooted
I did some researching and found that the kernel can make a difference to (I'm still learning) so after reading some forums I learnt that speedmod kernel worked well with Lite'ning ROM, as It was just the kernel that came with the ROM, ninphetamine 2.0.5, so I flashed the kernel last night with Odin and within minutes I was back up and running.
I then charged the phone 100% and then use a battery calibrator app to wipe battery stats, I then did a basic test which I previously did before, I went to sleep with a fully charged phone, I left everything on: WIFI, mobile data network and sync on set my alarm clock and went to sleep (p.s I checked a few websites so battery actually went down to 98%)
8 hours later I woke up checked my phone to see what % it was left one, previously on stock ROM with same set up my phone would be on 65% due to the Android OS bug running high! This time it was on 91%, so that's less than 1% drain an hour! Happy or what!
I know some people might not say this was a actual battery test but to me it is and I can see a big difference, funny thing is the AOS was showin 35% in batt stats, which is strange!
Now as I write this at 1pm my phone has been on for 14hrs and I'm still at 75%, yes I know the first 8 hrs was in standbye, but I've had a lot of notifications come through from G+ this morning and I'm pretty happy with what I have got set up now, without compromise as well!
I will upload a screen shot later if any wants to see when my battery stats when its down to 1% etc
I hope his helps some people out there, but I wanted to keep it simple for some as I was once a n00b (might still be)
Better change your title.. when i first saw it i thought you are asking how to have a good battery life.. just a suggestion
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ephraim033 said:
Better change your title.. when i first saw it i thought you are asking how to have a good battery life.. just a suggestion
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Just done, thanks for that
ephraim033 said:
Better change your title.. when i first saw it i thought you are asking how to have a good battery life.. just a suggestion
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"Want good battery life!!!" - I believe the OP is ordering the reader to demand better battery life. I agree with the OP. Let's start "Occupy Samsung" movement.
thanks for this thread. i will definitely try it later after some playing around with CM7
@Maverik: Np dude.. glad to help
@Kreo: basing in OP's statement and the last part of it, he is stating how to get a better battery life instead of demanding for it..
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Op, do you have auto sync on?
No worries, I thought that if it helped me its going to help more ppl.
What's CM7 like, you trying the stable or the nightly?
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Op, do you have auto sync on?
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Yes I do and background data.
ephraim033 said:
@Maverik: Np dude.. glad to help
@Kreo: basing in OP's statement and the last part of it, he is stating how to get a better battery life instead of demanding for it..
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I'm still relatively new to posting, but thanks again
maverick1103 said:
No worries, I thought that if it helped me its going to help more ppl.
What's CM7 like, you trying the stable or the nightly?
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I am the stable. its snappy and i liked the different look and feel with other roms that i hv tried such as litening, villain, batista and stock.
Today i installed setcpu and will see how the battery will perform.
norbu23 said:
I am the stable. its snappy and i liked the different look and feel with other roms that i hv tried such as litening, villain, batista and stock.
Today i installed setcpu and will see how the battery will perform.
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Cool, I did try CM7 but it was a nightley, build 68 I think, if they had brought the stable version out a week earlier I would be on that now, but I hear there are still bugs?
At least with Lite'ning its completely stable plus I like the look of the neon blue effect
My battery is on 64% now, I think I can go 2 days with this now
I'm on CM 7.1 Stable now and now even after 2 days i still have almost 40% battery left out, though on stock i never got more then 1 days
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I'm on CM 7.1 Stable now and now even after 2 days i still have almost 40% battery left out, though on stock i never got more then 1 days
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That's not bad, which Kernel are you using, the default one?
I have 5% left and going to screen shot it at 1% to show ppl what they can get, bearing in mind I could get max 12hrs out of it before!
1 day 9 hrs so far brilliant if you ask me!
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That's not bad, which Kernel are you using, the default one?
I have 5% left and going to screen shot it at 1% to show ppl what they can get, bearing in mind I could get max 12hrs out of it before!
1 day 9 hrs so far brilliant if you ask me!
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I first rooted it with superoneclick and it downloaded odin and flashed some insecure kernel first and then rooted it
Then i just installed CM 7.1 with Rom Manager, not sure which kernel is it
if you are gonna try cm7 try the latest nightly build....thats pretty more stable than the "stable" version...i think build 83 is out today and that will have pretty much more bug fixes and i hope they can get that browser lag fixed and thats pretty done deal for me to switch over to that completely
funtoosh said:
I first rooted it with superoneclick and it downloaded odin and flashed some insecure kernel first and then rooted it
Then i just installed CM 7.1 with Rom Manager, not sure which kernel is it
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If you installed with ROM manager that will be the generic one that comes with it, check in about phone its second from bottom.
Matriak31 said:
if you are gonna try cm7 try the latest nightly build....thats pretty more stable than the "stable" version...i think build 83 is out today and that will have pretty much more bug fixes and i hope they can get that browser lag fixed and thats pretty done deal for me to switch over to that completely
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I can't keep up with the nightleys plus when I tried build 68 I think it was, camera didn't work at all. Is the latest much better?
Also which Android version is it based on?
Happy!
So as promised here are screen shots of my phone running at 1%, I forgot to screen shot CPU spy as well (sorry) but I can say that with this set up I am really happy, as I cannot remember when with general use I have managed to get over a day with out charging my phone, iPhone 4 included!
If there is a better set up out there with a newer ROM I would be interested as this is based on 2.3.4 tho Google Talk video works so I'm happy
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So as promised here are screen shots of my phone running at 1%, I forgot to screen shot CPU spy as well (sorry) but I can say that with this set up I am really happy, as I cannot remember when with general use I have managed to get over a day with out charging my phone, iPhone 4 included!
If there is a better set up out there with a newer ROM I would be interested as this is based on 2.3.4 tho Google Talk video works so I'm happy
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man that os is very high....but you still managed to get a day out of it so not bad work buddy..
nightly there is a new one coming out today version 83...still few bugs they need to sort out but once that is done il be on there...that firmware is based on 2.3.7.
im using speedmod latest kernel..it does not support bln or bootlogo but i would sacrifice all that for a decent battery life which i am getting....so far 5 and half hours past and im down to 75% and 2hours screen on time....not bad i think
I just typed out my post and got the Mac equivalent of a BSoD and lost what i typed (wow fist time that has ever happened to me).
Flashed Decks, I have tried both tiamat and SavagedZen kernels. Followed a few different guides and no luck at all batter still stucks. Today my stats were as follows. 4h 55m on battery with very light to little or no usage at all and battery is at 10%. When i had it on stock ROM have much heavier usage and was never that low before. I rooted to get rid of bloatware and my main reason for AOSP ROM was to get away from sense messed up BT stack (want to use Wii controller), but if this is what I'm up against I will stick with a sense ROM (probably go back with fresh had with my hero and it worked well). is this the norm for ASOP? Ive seen other post about better battery life on sense ROMs. is it just how it handle the system different I already followed this one here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19474607#post19474607
And couldn't get it working fully. Does anyone have any other suggestion. Different ROMs, kernels, setting I could try as a last shot. Would prefer a basic ASOP with good battery life, and most stuff working (don't know if that's to much to ask).
Thanks in advance.
I don't think that 5 hours of battery life should be considered normal for any ROM. If that is all you get from a phone then something is wrong.
Have you tried wiping battery stats in recovery? Sometimes the software just reads the battery level incorrectly. It would have to be pretty far off to claim you were at 10% after only 5 hours but who knows...
You can google it but the typical process is to charge it up to 100%, wipe battery stats, then reboot and unplug. Drain the phone until it's absolutely dead then you charge it fully again and it should read the battery level more accurately. Apparently it is bad for Lithium Ion batteries to be drained completely though, so it is not recommended to do this often as it can shorten the overall performance of your battery.
I haven't seen much of a difference in my battery life using Cyanogenmod 7 or MikG (currently running 2.58 but 2.60 is out now). I personally really prefer sense ROMs and MikG is definitely the best one I have used. Give it a shot. I have gotten 60 hours of battery life on the stock Sense ROM (granted, it was with almost no use) and over 30 hours with pretty decent usage. I posted some youtube videos to demonstrate this since I figured everyone would claim I doctored photos:
over 50 hours (wound up being 60 hours by the time I finally unplugged):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGJucqVw0RQ
32 hours:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPqtsRDRYEs
I have since moved to MikG but I pushed my battery again last weekend and got another 30+ hours of it. I'm extremely happy with my battery life!
I am sticking with MikG over CM7...I have too many issues with CM7 and there just isn't enough to keep me there. I was going to write up a huge post about that now.
yea i actually did wipe that stats. Ill probably just do a full wipe and start fresh with sense rom and see where it goes. What are some advantages of mikG any features that make it special over others? What version of sense does it have? Im downloading right now. is there a info page of what all it includes? i couldn't find much info for it.
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yea i actually did wipe that stats. Ill probably just do a full wipe and start fresh with sense rom and see where it goes. What are some advantages of mikG any features that make it special over others? What version of sense does it have?
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Mikg is 2.1+ 3.0 rom it has some sense 3.0 features
Sent from my PC36100 using XDA App
Im in the same boat some what, but I will say your time should be better with no use. Im not getting huge battery increases with aosp roms when using the phone. Im better off with the stuff that worked well on sense roms for me with no tinkering (gps, slow sd speeds, updating prls, etc)
Im convinced the people that claim these lengthy phone hours dont use their phone besides texting much even if they say otherwise. Most screen shots I see rarely even have voice calls registering. I think the best way for "me" to get a full day is to buy an extended battery. Im not on wifi all day, Im in and out of low signal areas. I need to keep data on due to emails for work. Maybe Ill run into a miracle rom and kernel, lol
I do like the classic rom which I backed up and I will try some others today (fusion/hyrbid ex1)
stamason said:
yea i actually did wipe that stats. Ill probably just do a full wipe and start fresh with sense rom and see where it goes. What are some advantages of mikG any features that make it special over others? What version of sense does it have? Im downloading right now. is there a info page of what all it includes? i couldn't find much info for it.
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You can check out the change log at themikmik.com:
http://themikmik.com/forumdisplay.php?871-MikG-v2.xx-Info-Screen-Shots-and-Download-links
I always wind up back on this ROM. I just think it looks beautiful, it is fast, and it just works. I use GO launcher EX as my launcher by the way. I highly recommend it no matter what ROM you use.
Sent from my Atari 2600
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Im convinced the people that claim these lengthy phone hours dont use their phone besides texting much even if they say otherwise. Most screen shots I see rarely even have voice calls registering. I think the best way for "me" to get a full day is to buy an extended battery. Im not on wifi all day, Im in and out of low signal areas. I need to keep data on due to emails for work. Maybe Ill run into a miracle rom and kernel, lol
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I totally agree with you with is why if you watch my second video posted above, I actually go into the usage screen and tap on the things to show what I am using. 50 minutes of voice calls, 25 minutes of words with friends, 41 minutes of GPS, Bluetooth on 100% of the time, etc.
But typically when I see those you tube videos I see people saying they were using their phone heavily and got 25 hours out of it. If you look closely in their battery stats screen though, you'll see that cell standby was the top battery user. That refutes the heavy usage claim right there!
Sent from my Atari 2600
To be honest. I didn't read the post but I will check that out. Thanks
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How is this possible? I'm on 1500 stock Mah battery on a fresh sense rom 4.3.2 my battery wont last that long even if I reset battery stats. But running on cm7 with stock it does pretty well avaerage 15+ hrs depending my usage.
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You can check out the change log at themikmik.com:
http://themikmik.com/forumdisplay.php?871-MikG-v2.xx-Info-Screen-Shots-and-Download-links
I always wind up back on this ROM. I just think it looks beautiful, it is fast, and it just works. I use GO launcher EX as my launcher by the way. I highly recommend it no matter what ROM you use.
Sent from my Atari 2600
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I put FreshEvo and it looks like battery is holding up well. I got MikG tp play around with..(it does look beautiful). A few quick question about it.
1. Does it have the native hotspot app unlocked or just wireless tether?
2. Has CarrierID been removed or disabled?
3. Should I use the default kernel in the rom, or is there a particular one you use.
Thanks,
stamason said:
I just typed out my post and got the Mac equivalent of a BSoD and lost what i typed (wow fist time that has ever happened to me).
Flashed Decks, I have tried both tiamat and SavagedZen kernels. Followed a few different guides and no luck at all batter still stucks. Today my stats were as follows. 4h 55m on battery with very light to little or no usage at all and battery is at 10%. When i had it on stock ROM have much heavier usage and was never that low before. I rooted to get rid of bloatware and my main reason for AOSP ROM was to get away from sense messed up BT stack (want to use Wii controller), but if this is what I'm up against I will stick with a sense ROM (probably go back with fresh had with my hero and it worked well). is this the norm for ASOP? Ive seen other post about better battery life on sense ROMs. is it just how it handle the system different I already followed this one here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19474607#post19474607
And couldn't get it working fully. Does anyone have any other suggestion. Different ROMs, kernels, setting I could try as a last shot. Would prefer a basic ASOP with good battery life, and most stuff working (don't know if that's to much to ask).
Thanks in advance.
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all the aosp roms/kernels are in the link in my sig, just click it and check it out.
stamason said:
I put FreshEvo and it looks like battery is holding up well. I got MikG tp play around with..(it does look beautiful). A few quick question about it.
1. Does it have the native hotspot app unlocked or just wireless tether?
2. Has CarrierID been removed or disabled?
3. Should I use the default kernel in the rom, or is there a particular one you use.
Thanks,
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1. It has the native hotspot unlocked.
2. I don't even know what you're asking here sorry. Do you mean you want to use it on another carrier besides Sprint? If so I have no idea...maybe post your question on themikmik forums.
3. I use whatever kernel MikG comes with. Some people like to flash other ones, but I have never messed with new kernels, regardless of the ROM I'm using.
Sent from my Atari 2600
thanks
I just would like to show my appreciation to gamblor01 for his links and knowledge base..I am a flashaholic only because I wanted to find the best performing Rom/Kernel combo to squeeze the most life out of my battery and to be honest I am a bit of a noob...I have tried synergy ROM synister Rom kinged shooter, cm7 which did show some improvements but I just love my sense roms.....I stumbled upon this last night...and i did it...found MikG 2.60 sense Rom and i am running chopsuey 9.2.6 and i did like he stated .....turned off unnecessary things like 3g when not using...lowered display brightness, changed sync settings to a very minimal to where it only updates when I open the app...I went to work for 8 am and the phone was off the charger till it died 16 hours later almost 17 I will post pics as testament thanks again
The phone died around 12 am almost 1..btw
Sent from my 16 Hour battery EVO using XDA App
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And of course I can't figure out how to upload a picture from my phone how noobish of me...I will find a way soon enough
Great! I have found MikG to be awesome so I'm glad it works for you too. If you want to upload a screenshot then tap the power button and quickly hit home. It should take a screenshot. Then if you want to share it you can go the gallery app and tap the share icon (circle with 2 arrows). If you want to attach it to a post here from your phone (xda app) then start a message and then tap the more button. You should be able to attach something from the gallery.
I just posted pretty much the same info at themikmik.com but it was more detailed. I'm on my phone right now but I'll go copy that link and paste it into an edit here.
Edit: Here is the link
http://themikmik.com/showthread.php...h-your-battery&p=149009&viewfull=1#post149009
Sent from my Atari 2600
Senseless MikG 2.9 has gotten me over 2 days of moderate usage consistently. This however does not include 4G since I can't get a signal anywhere >_<
I use CM7.1 + SavagedZen (latest) SBC (BFS) and get between 40 and 60 hours depending on usage.
I am also using the Sprint extended battery, however. By my estimation, this accounts for roughly 8 - 10 of those hours.
The kernel made a HUGE difference. Tiamat 3.3.7 was only getting me about 20 hours tops.
Phone is also undervolted, and supercharged. No overclocking or underclocking. I am incredibly pleased with this phone - definitely can't switch phones unless I know that I can get something remotely close in terms of battery life!
stamason said:
I just typed out my post and got the Mac equivalent of a BSoD and lost what i typed (wow fist time that has ever happened to me).
Flashed Decks, I have tried both tiamat and SavagedZen kernels. Followed a few different guides and no luck at all batter still stucks. Today my stats were as follows. 4h 55m on battery with very light to little or no usage at all and battery is at 10%. When i had it on stock ROM have much heavier usage and was never that low before. I rooted to get rid of bloatware and my main reason for AOSP ROM was to get away from sense messed up BT stack (want to use Wii controller), but if this is what I'm up against I will stick with a sense ROM (probably go back with fresh had with my hero and it worked well). is this the norm for ASOP? Ive seen other post about better battery life on sense ROMs. is it just how it handle the system different I already followed this one here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19474607#post19474607
And couldn't get it working fully. Does anyone have any other suggestion. Different ROMs, kernels, setting I could try as a last shot. Would prefer a basic ASOP with good battery life, and most stuff working (don't know if that's to much to ask).
Thanks in advance.
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Simple solution, sell or return the Evo and get a 2nd generation windows phone mango device such as the Focus S or Titan or Lumina series, or even a first Gen such as the Focus. No more constant rom flashes, force closes, lag, and horrible battery life.
Sent from my Windows Phone Mango Focus using Board Express
OZGBLACK said:
I just would like to show my appreciation to gamblor01 for his links and knowledge base..I am a flashaholic only because I wanted to find the best performing Rom/Kernel combo to squeeze the most life out of my battery and to be honest I am a bit of a noob...I have tried synergy ROM synister Rom kinged shooter, cm7 which did show some improvements but I just love my sense roms.....I stumbled upon this last night...and i did it...found MikG 2.60 sense Rom and i am running chopsuey 9.2.6 and i did like he stated .....turned off unnecessary things like 3g when not using...lowered display brightness, changed sync settings to a very minimal to where it only updates when I open the app...I went to work for 8 am and the phone was off the charger till it died 16 hours later almost 17 I will post pics as testament thanks again
The phone died around 12 am almost 1..btw
Sent from my 16 Hour battery EVO using XDA App
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And of course I can't figure out how to upload a picture from my phone how noobish of me...I will find a way soon enough
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i know you said you like sense roms, however if you wanna find out about aosp roms/kernels check the link in my sig i get over 24 hours w/o an extended battery and i do play games and use the internet.
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mikroland said:
Simple solution, sell or return the Evo and get a 2nd generation windows phone mango device such as the Focus S or Titan or Lumina series, or even a first Gen such as the Focus. No more constant rom flashes, force closes, lag, and horrible battery life.
Sent from my Windows Phone Mango Focus using Board Express
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wow..... please do not troll in our EVO 4G Thread. Thank You!!!
Dammit I think that I am not allowed cause it just repeats
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Sent from my EVO with a 16 hour battery
Oh well i will do a few more tests put them on my pc and then upload them through my web browser there and i will show some well (record breaking) battery life.
And I can't say thanks again
Sent from my EVO with a 16 hour battery
Hi all,
Just wondering if your all seeing reduced battery life with the ICS builds for the DesireZ?
I was using Miui (2.x) and now trying out Ice Cream JIBWich,and Im discovering the battery life is most certainly less. I've also tried CM9 Alpha and Andromedus r13, all roughly the same.
Battery Widget reports on average 40(ish)mA in sleep, I havent compared it to Miui but just wondering I've done something wrong here..
Install procedure this time was a factory wipe.
Comments?
Angelo
I don't know if my battery life is worse on ICS than on CM or stock 2.3. Because I don't have any logs of battery life. Maybe I will do some tests in next week, just for curious.
So... I'm getting 30mA - 34mA drain on idle on Andromadus v13 with default kernel. It is lower than yours. I'm using latest radio now (.19).
After implementing new features and fixing bugs, there is a stage of development called optimization. That is when you will see all the battery life milked out of a rom.
And none of the ICS roms are even close to that stage, so battery will probably not be indicative of the final product.
I don't have any hard numbers, but based on my moderate usage, (8am to 11pm) I go from 100% to about 40%. Fairly good IMO when compared to sense roms (that i'm used to) but not as good when compared to AOSP GB or MIUI roms..
Hmm I found my battery doing suprisingly well compared to aosp gb, now that I'm using ics its lasting longer than ever.
It probably has to do with better app/process management.
That's my experience..
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA
Well, this might sound strange to say but i'm actually getting the best battery life i've ever had out of ICS so far with Andromadus v13/Jibwich 1.3 on my phone. I seem to manage to get really long charges of at least 48 hours. Maybe i'm not using my phone as much as i was with GB? I'm not quite sure if that's the case or not, but i'm consistently getting longer lasting charges than ever before with GB.
Thing is though that ICS ROMs DO seem to drain the battery more while the phone is actively being used (in comparison to AOSP GB ROMs), this seems to be the case for me, as well as some other people that i've seen.
There were a few strange versions of Andromadus and Jibwich though which seemed to cause severe battery drain for me. Fortunately, that hasn't been the case with any of the latest versions.
All of that said, i still don't think anything compares to the battery life on G2 Slim (Gingerbread AOSP ROM), that ROM has ridiculously good battery life. With that one, i'd use my phone a fair bit (couple hours of tethering, gaming, lots of texting and calls) and it would still last for at least 44 hours or so.
In the end though, there are still some GB ROMs that have much worse battery life than ICS for me. For example, all CM7 variants that i've tried has always had this frustrating radio related battery drain, then some Sense ROMs seem to drain the battery a bit more than AOSP ROMs too. In response to the OP, i never really got amazing battery life with MIUI, so ICS has been a much better experience so far in that regard.
What i do know for sure though is that battery life with ICS is MUCH better than the stock gingerbread OTA update that our phones got.
thanks all,
I've done some checking and according to battery monitor, my JIBWIch rom seams to be fluctuating .. from 36mA to 97mA in standby which to be indicates something's running.. not sure what... Anyone recommend a decent process monitor, there's soo many of them
>After implementing new features and fixing bugs, there is a stage of development called >optimization. That is when you will see all the battery life milked out of a rom.
>And none of the ICS roms are even close to that stage, so battery will probably not be >indicative of the final product.
Agreed..
I'll see how it goes but I might have to go back to Miui (GB) as I use the phone for work..
asantaga said:
thanks all,
I've done some checking and according to battery monitor, my JIBWIch rom seams to be fluctuating .. from 36mA to 97mA in standby which to be indicates something's running.. not sure what... Anyone recommend a decent process monitor, there's soo many of them
>After implementing new features and fixing bugs, there is a stage of development called >optimization. That is when you will see all the battery life milked out of a rom.
>And none of the ICS roms are even close to that stage, so battery will probably not be >indicative of the final product.
Agreed..
I'll see how it goes but I might have to go back to Miui (GB) as I use the phone for work..
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Here was my (personal) record breaking charge on Andromadus v13 https://www.dropbox.com/gallery/12263406/1/screenies?h=c9ef42
You can see part of my configuration there (radio and CPU speeds).
On top of what's already there, i use supercharger RC6.9 with option 6 and nitro-lag-nullifier.
here are my usage patterns for good battery life:
-I generally stick to 2g networks as i don't do much web browsing while i'm out but when i do, i just switch to 3g.
-I also don't regularly use any task killers but if i detect any choppyness i kill app using Advanced Task Killer.
-I don't use auto-brightness and instead i just use the notification power widget.
-I do lots and lots of texting, some calls here and there, i often use wifi hotspot and i play 2d games a little bit at times, so i'm generally a light-moderate user.
-I also "debloat" as much as possible by getting rid of any system apps that i don't use.
On a random note, right now, i'm using Jibwich 1.3 and it is so great, battery life seems the same as andromadus v13 but this ROM is actually much more smooth and fluid on the home screen.
I hope this helps a bit, give me a thanks if you found this useful ;D
hey thanks for this, yeah very nice!
Just occured to me, im currently in Madrid (Roaming), and the phone's on 2g at the moment, I WONDER.. just wonder, if its constantly hunting for 3G signal.. now that would account for the random power demands...
Meanwhilst I found this app http://androidadvices.com/save-battery-android-phone-enabling-2g-network/
Apart from adding a 2g/3g toggle it also makes the phone go to 2g when sleeping.. I mean when its sleeping we dont need 3g access....
Anyone else tried it? or can recommend a different better/app?
asantaga said:
hey thanks for this, yeah very nice!
Just occured to me, im currently in Madrid (Roaming), and the phone's on 2g at the moment, I WONDER.. just wonder, if its constantly hunting for 3G signal.. now that would account for the random power demands...
Meanwhilst I found this app http://androidadvices.com/save-battery-android-phone-enabling-2g-network/
Apart from adding a 2g/3g toggle it also makes the phone go to 2g when sleeping.. I mean when its sleeping we dont need 3g access....
Anyone else tried it? or can recommend a different better/app?
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Go to settings --> wireless and networks --> mobile networks
Now see if you have "use only 2g networks" checked. If you do, that'd be why you're always connecting to 2g networks.
As a battery saving tip, it's best to always check that option when you don't need mobile data (like when you're at home and wifi is available).
In addition to that, if that option is NOT checked, then your phone will connect to 3g networks where applicable, you have to check if your carrier actually uses 3g networks on your plan.
Also that app seems fine, but i wouldn't use the "use 2g when sleep" option because that could cause problems with reception between waking and sleeping because it'll be erratically switching between basebands all the time.
asantaga said:
Hi all,
Just wondering if your all seeing reduced battery life with the ICS builds for the DesireZ?
I was using Miui (2.x) and now trying out Ice Cream JIBWich,and Im discovering the battery life is most certainly less. I've also tried CM9 Alpha and Andromedus r13, all roughly the same.
Battery Widget reports on average 40(ish)mA in sleep, I havent compared it to Miui but just wondering I've done something wrong here..
Install procedure this time was a factory wipe.
Comments?
Angelo
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It looks to me that yes. Tried 3 ICS inluding JIBWich and CM9 based and battery life was reduced to me about 1/3 maybe 1/4. looks like that. Hope some improovment will come in near future.
I'm running Andromadus v13 and it seems to be only a bit worse than the latest CM7 nightly. However, this is only my subjective opinion, it could be that I'm using my phone more with ICS
I also have the .19 radio and the tweaks associated with v13.
Well from what i've seen, ICS has very steep and sudden drops in the battery stats graph when the phone is being used. This is in contrast to many gingberbread ROMs which just have a sloping negative curve on the battery stats graph. This seems to indicate that ICS uses more battery when the phone is being actively used.
I'll post pics after this current charge is over to show a comparison of ICS battery life with Andro v13 and GB battery with Virtuous G-lite 2.0.1.
I don't see any difference between GB and the ICS battery usage, maybe because i allways configure it from begining and don't restore apps via titanium backup or any other app...
Also battery needs to calibrate under new ROM and after few charges you will see it working little bit longer and longer...
ps. Do you have disabled Google Talk on ICS fresh install? He is always on after installing and eats a lot of battery.
louloudi said:
I don't see any difference between GB and the ICS battery usage, maybe because i allways configure it from begining and don't restore apps via titanium backup or any other app...
Also battery needs to calibrate under new ROM and after few charges you will see it working little bit longer and longer...
ps. Do you have disabled Google Talk on ICS fresh install? He is always on after installing and eats a lot of battery.
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I also configure all new rom's from begining and on Affinity 2 - my battery in averange usage die after ~16h but on ISC os about ~13h, I don't know why.
My battery after full charge get 4.212 V , tried clear battery stats bin no effect
My avg runtime on one charge on CM7 w/o oc, with ilwt or pershoot kernel is 60hours (yes! 3 "work days") or atleast 2 days with 50-70 min calls and 25-35 SMS
Turning data and/or wifi when needed makes phone battery least looooonger...
Now testing Andromadus Audacity b1, charged 7.5h ago (4207mV), i will post when empty (or near ~3600-3650)
Also remember that we don't have the proper kernel source for our phone. There are some tweaks that can't really be made yet, and probably a bunch of wasted cpu time where errors and stuff get worked through.
GB battery life was worse than Froyo at the same stage of development. It'll even out better when we have the official kernel source for the DHD, I think.
Sent from my HTC Desire Z using XDA
So most ICS based roms have roughly the same battery life?
I'm current on the audacity beta, getting about 20 hours with no charge with moderate use. Gingerbread i could go about a day and acouple more hours.
I'm a bit bitter that I can only use 3G or higher on Bell with my DZ...that means if I want better battery life I need to ditch mobile data altogether. Boo.
Sent from my HTC Desire Z using XDA
Better battery life
All,
I was just about to install "Elitemod", which claims to be tuned to bits wrt battery life, and I noticed AudicityBeta1 was released.. so i thought Id try it out.. and
And yes I think its much better!.. this morning I used it a bit, made a dozen phonecalls, sync'd email and for the first time the "voicecalls" are less than the screen.
(see attachment)
Im wondering if the recently released qualcomm drivers made a difference..
At this rate it will last ~40hrs... probably less but as long as it lasts the day Im happy
Anyone else want to confirm my findings?