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[Q] Root or OTA 4.1.1 update first?

I just got my N7 and will be rooting it. Should I do the OTA update first, then root? Or should I root, then install the update via CWM?
If I do OTA now, then root, will I be on 4.1.1 after the unlock and root?

just update then root, updating doesn't change how root works, and it is a lot easier to update via the OTA than than to flash via CWM

Lennyuk said:
just update then root, updating doesn't change how root works, and it is a lot easier to update via the OTA than than to flash via CWM
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Thanks, updating now.

Yeah just update, then root and all should be good.

[Q] OTA update from 4.2

It has been a long time since I have ever done an OTA update.
On most devices I'm typically running a custom ROM and do updates by flashing a new zip from a custom recovery.
I am currently running 4.2 that I got from here:
https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images#nakasi
I flashed a custom recovery, flashed SuperSU via recovery, and installed BusyBox from the Play Store.
Now my Nexus 7 says it has an update.
Questions:
Will I be able to use OTA Rootkeeper and do this update?
Does OTA Rootkeeper also keep busybox?
Will I have to re-install my programs?
If there is an update to 4.2 why is 4.2 the latest thing I see on the google website I linked to above?

Will I be able to use OTA Rootkeeper and do this update?
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Root keeper should work fine since of is only a minor update.
Does OTA Rootkeeper also keep busybox?
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Busybox won't be removed with an OTA update.
Will I have to re-install my programs?
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No, all your programs will still be there after the upgrade.
[/QUOTIf there is an update to 4.2 why is 4.2 the latest thing I see on the google website I linked to above?
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Google hasn't built the new factory images for 4.2.1 yet.

EvanA said:
Busybox won't be removed with an OTA update.
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How is it that su gets removed during an OTA but not but not the busybox executables?
How are the busybox executables different?
Does an OTA explicitly go after su?

I have a notification for an android update as well. I'm rooted and unlocked, running stock. So, I just want to install an app from the market called root keeper before installing the update and all is well?

OTA rootkeeper is the app.
It worked for me, and app usage is fairly simple.
The SU app doesn't get removed, it's still there, it just doesn't have access, but OTA rootkeeper restores it.
I updated yesterday I think, the update mostly fixes that December issue, nothing major, it's a <1,5MB update.

issak42 said:
The SU app doesn't get removed, it's still there, it just doesn't have access, but OTA rootkeeper restores it.
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Technically, what is going on here under the hood?
What do you mean by "doesn't have access"?
I don't fully understand how root works on Android between the binary su and the SuperSU Android app.
Does the OTA mess with setuid bits or something?
Does it lose access during the "Android is upgrading... Optimizing Apps" after it reboots?
I will do the update using OTA rootkeeper, right now I'm just trying to gain a higher understanding of what is going on.
Edit: Update successful. I have TWRP installed and this is what it looked like. Gave me a scare for a second.
http://i.imgur.com/gAcnt.jpg

FunkyELF said:
Technically, what is going on here under the hood?
What do you mean by "doesn't have access"?
I don't fully understand how root works on Android between the binary su and the SuperSU Android app.
Does the OTA mess with setuid bits or something?
Does it lose access during the "Android is upgrading... Optimizing Apps" after it reboots?
I will do the update using OTA rootkeeper, right now I'm just trying to gain a higher understanding of what is going on.
Edit: Update successful. I have TWRP installed and this is what it looked like. Gave me a scare for a second.
http://i.imgur.com/gAcnt.jpg
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I honestly don't know what is it that OTA rootkeeper does, I had doubts too. I'm not a developer of said app, so the questions you have should really be addressed towards the dev.
I know the feeling, I have TWRP too, and it gave me a mini heart attack
I'm glad everything worked out!

issak42 said:
I honestly don't know what is it that OTA rootkeeper does, I had doubts too. I'm not a developer of said app, so the questions you have should really be addressed towards the dev.
I know the feeling, I have TWRP too, and it gave me a mini heart attack
I'm glad everything worked out!
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OTA rootkeeper makes a backup of the such binary and restores it after the upgrade. It works quite well, actually.
Sent from my Nexus 7 w/ PA and m-kernel

EvanA said:
OTA rootkeeper makes a backup of the such binary and restores it after the upgrade. It works quite well, actually.
Sent from my Nexus 7 w/ PA and m-kernel
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It does work well indeed. So basically, root access isn't lost, but OTA update removes the su apk, and rootkeeper restores it?
I don't understand how it can restore root without root access

issak42 said:
It does work well indeed. So basically, root access isn't lost, but OTA update removes the su apk, and rootkeeper restores it?
I don't understand how it can restore root without root access
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I'm running a rooted stock nexus with twrp. I screwed up with the first 4.2 OTA and had to reroot with fastboot, supersu, etc. When this new one came up last night I installed OTA RootKeeper from the playstore and backed up su with it. I ran the update this morning and had root back in seconds with rootkeeper. Works well, just as described above. The googling involved in my last screwup saved some headaches this time.
Thanks to ALL on this forum.

issak42 said:
It does work well indeed. So basically, root access isn't lost, but OTA update removes the su apk, and rootkeeper restores it?
I don't understand how it can restore root without root access
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It doesn't need root access to restore root because BusyBox remains installed. Basically what the app does to restore su is remount the system as read and write then use BusyBox to copy the su binary back to where it should be.
Sent from my Nexus 7 w/ PA and m-kernel

[Q] What happens to root when doing OTA update?

I recently read that there is going to be a 4.2.2 update to the Nexus devices.
I was wondering what will happen to my rooted 4.2.1 phone? will it update properly? will I need to root again after the update?

you normally need to re-root after ota unless you have rootkeeper

I add an additional question..
If I have a flashed a new kernel and twrp, do I have to restore to stock and before I can update?

You need stock images for ota so yes, you have to flash stock kernel, recovery and if the kernel meddled with the system files, you need to flash stock system image as well
Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2

From 4.2->4.2.1 clockworkmod actually intervened on reboot and did what it had to (with prompts) to maintain recovery and root, first time that has happened for me and I was pleasantly surprised. I was stock + unlock + root, no kernel or other system changes.
I have AOKP now though so I guess I'll just wait for goo to notify me.

thephantom said:
you normally need to re-root after ota unless you have rootkeeper
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The application doesn't support original Superuser and not SuperSU for a very simple reason. The same feature OTA protection feature is already present in SuperSU.
This is about Rootkeeper. I have stock, rooted and SuperSU. Does this mean that I don't need Rootkeeper and if I get the OTA update, I keep root?

Guzanni said:
The application doesn't support original Superuser and not SuperSU for a very simple reason. The same feature OTA protection feature is already present in SuperSU.
This is about Rootkeeper. I have stock, rooted and SuperSU. Does this mean that I don't need Rootkeeper and if I get the OTA update, I keep root?
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On my GNex I have supersu. Just installed 4.2.2 update. I had to reroot by flashing latest supersu thru cwm. The update still over wrote the su file in the xbin folder
Flowed and Tapped from my Nexus

thephantom said:
On my GNex I have supersu. Just installed 4.2.2 update. I had to reroot by flashing latest supersu thru cwm. The update still over wrote the su file in the xbin folder
Flowed and Tapped from my Nexus
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Thanks for your reply. So this means that I still have to use Rootkeeper.. or won't it work? Do I have to do it like you did?

Guzanni said:
Thanks for your reply. So this means that I still have to use Rootkeeper.. or won't it work? Do I have to do it like you did?
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Well, as I didn't install Rootkeeper now, I can't say for sure. Before I was able to preserve it. You can simply root again. Doesn't take more than a minute
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[Q] How to use SuperSU?

Hi,
I got an update on my LG G2 D802 and i have ROOT, i downloaded SuperSU because someone told me that i can update my device with it, but i dont know how.
Can someone explain me how to use it? what should i do in the SuperSU to update my device?
Thank you.

Uh...i don't think supersu can update your device. All it does is handle root.
Gesendet von meinem LG-d802 mit Tapatalk

ckyy said:
Uh...i don't think supersu can update your device. All it does is handle root.
Gesendet von meinem LG-d802 mit Tapatalk
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But i saw that it have OTA Survival in the Settings.
Are you sure that i cant to update with it?
On my previous theard i asked if i can update, and someone told me that he updated his G2 with the SuperSU, but i dont know how to do this too..

itaylubo2 said:
But i saw that it have OTA Survival in the Settings.
Are you sure that i cant to update with it?
On my previous theard i asked if i can update, and someone told me that he updated his G2 with the SuperSU, but i dont know how to do this too..
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OTA survival means that when your carrier sends out an OTA update for your device, you should still have root afterwards. Normally without OTA survival you will lose root after updating. SuperSU has nothing to do with updates, it is simply a firewall between apps and the root of your device. :good:

If you have OTA survival turned on in SuperSU, AND you have stock recovery, then theoretically, you can do the OTA update and still have root when it's finished. But it isn't 100% successful.

Also OP...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2443934

souleman said:
If you have OTA survival turned on in SuperSU, AND you have stock recovery, then theoretically, you can do the OTA update and still have root when it's finished. But it isn't 100% successful.
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I have stock recovery, so i should turn on the OTA Survival in the SuperSU and to start to update?
I saw in the settings of the SuperUser that it have also OTA Survival, should i turn it on too?
Thank you.

DO NOT DO OTA'S IF YOU ROOTED. Period.

khaytsus said:
DO NOT DO OTA'S IF YOU ROOTED. Period.
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I received an ota last night (whilst very drunk) . I have a rooted but otherwise completely stock rom with stock recovery and the ota installed without a problem and I remained rooted even though I hadn't set my superSU to maintain root. My system updated from 10a to 10f.
It would appear that an ota will install with root as long as you have stock recovery and have not made changes to the system partition. (apart from the su binary of course.)

bobsie41 said:
I received an ota last night (whilst very drunk) . I have a rooted but otherwise completely stock rom with stock recovery and the ota installed without a problem and I remained rooted even though I hadn't set my superSU to maintain root. My system updated from 10a to 10f.
It would appear that an ota will install with root as long as you have stock recovery and have not made changes to the system partition. (apart from the su binary of course.)
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Yes, but I like to keep things simple for people.
Recovery is what will get you, or a modified ROM. But.. Ah, it doesn't matter, people will do it anyway.

itaylubo2 said:
I have stock recovery, so i should turn on the OTA Survival in the SuperSU and to start to update?
I saw in the settings of the SuperUser that it have also OTA Survival, should i turn it on too?
Thank you.
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You shouldn't have SuperSU and SuperUser both on the phone. Remove one of them (probably SuperUser as it doesn't play well with some things).
It is recommended not to do an OTA if you are rooted. If you wait a few days, someone will have a flashable version of the OTA on here.
Having a modified stock rom very rarely causes any issues. It can, but it doesn't very often. 99% of the time, it's because someone is running a different recovery, and still blames it on the ROM. But unless your ready to flash it back to how it was when you opened the box, just wait a couple days.

souleman said:
You shouldn't have SuperSU and SuperUser both on the phone. Remove one of them (probably SuperUser as it doesn't play well with some things).
It is recommended not to do an OTA if you are rooted. If you wait a few days, someone will have a flashable version of the OTA on here.
Having a modified stock rom very rarely causes any issues. It can, but it doesn't very often. 99% of the time, it's because someone is running a different recovery, and still blames it on the ROM. But unless your ready to flash it back to how it was when you opened the box, just wait a couple days.
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But i have stock recovery and stock ROM, it is matter?
I realy dont know what to do when the Kitkat 4.4 will comes...

itaylubo2 said:
But i have stock recovery and stock ROM, it is matter?
I realy dont know what to do when the Kitkat 4.4 will comes...
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To be safe you could always unroot your phone before updating since everything is stock you won't be losing much and you won't be taking any unnecessary chances. Plus the root might not stick with such a big update even with root survival so you might have to reroot it again after the update anyways.
This is pretty much the same thing everyone had already said, I don't think anyone here would tell you it's worth taking the risk -even if it's just a slight risk since you don't have a custom recovery installed- that will only be saving you the few minutes it'll take to reroot your phone.
Sent from Sprint LG G2

kcerica said:
To be safe you could always unroot your phone before updating since everything is stock you won't be losing much and you won't be taking any unnecessary chances. Plus the root might not stick with such a big update even with root survival so you might have to reroot it again after the update anyways.
This is pretty much the same thing everyone had already said, I don't think anyone here would tell you it's worth taking the risk -even if it's just a slight risk since you don't have a custom recovery installed- that will only be saving you the few minutes it'll take to reroot your phone.
Sent from Sprint LG G2
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How i Unroot my phone? just doing Factory Reset?

There should be an unroot option in the supersu settings
Sent from Sprint LG G2

itaylubo2 said:
How i Unroot my phone? just doing Factory Reset?
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Uninstall SuperUser, then in SuperSu there is an option to unroot the phone.

souleman said:
Uninstall SuperUser, then in SuperSu there is an option to unroot the phone.
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I downloaded SuperSU, and after i delete it.
and i did Reboot, and the Superuser dissapeard, but i still have ROOT, i can use Freedom, Market Unlocker and Auto Hide Soft Keys.
Now i downloaded SuperSU again, and i saw in the "Description" that the SuperUser should be removed when i download the SuperSU.
If i'll do Full Unroot from the SuperSU, it will work on LG G2 D802 with stock ROM&Recovery?
Thank you very much !!!

itaylubo2 said:
I downloaded SuperSU, and after i delete it.
and i did Reboot, and the Superuser dissapeard, but i still have ROOT, i can use Freedom, Market Unlocker and Auto Hide Soft Keys.
Now i downloaded SuperSU again, and i saw in the "Description" that the SuperUser should be removed when i download the SuperSU.
If i'll do Full Unroot from the SuperSU, it will work on LG G2 D802 with stock ROM&Recovery?
Thank you very much !!!
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Yup. Full Unroot in SuperSu will delete the files from the /system partition that give you access to root.

souleman said:
Yup. Full Unroot in SuperSu will delete the files from the /system partition that give you access to root.
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It will work for 100%? In the Root Exporer, i search in the /system/bin for the "su" and i didnt found it, also i didnt found the SuperUser.apk in the /system/app, i can find only in the /system/xbin the "su" file.
It should be like this? because i saw some videos on Glalaxy Note 2 that he have all except the su file in the /system/xbin..

itaylubo2 said:
It will work for 100%? In the Root Exporer, i search in the /system/bin for the "su" and i didnt found it, also i didnt found the SuperUser.apk in the /system/app, i can find only in the /system/xbin the "su" file.
It should be like this? because i saw some videos on Glalaxy Note 2 that he have all except the su file in the /system/xbin..
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There shouldn't be an su files after unroot. Is either superuser.apk or supersu.apk in either /system/app or /data/app?

FlashFire OTA possible?

Has anyone tried to Flash an OTA update using Flashfire?
Like...to flash OTA and have root?
I'm not sure if it's possible. Can someone try for me please?

Anyone would try to play with fire
I think that it is impossible because in the changelog of updates they wrote that you mustn't been rooted if you want to update the ROM

simo255 said:
Anyone would try to play with fire
I think that it is impossible because in the changelog of updates they wrote that you mustn't been rooted if you want to update the ROM
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If i am right, FlashFire Temporaly unroots the rom and after the OTA update, FlashFire roots it again.
Right?

Hello
yesterday I was on medrom v2 b161, then I downloaded the b201 full without opening it. I installed it with twrp. I'm nothing lost except twrp and root.

Chisetdel31260 said:
Hello
yesterday I was on medrom v2 b161, then I downloaded the b201 full without opening it. I installed it with twrp. I'm nothing lost except twrp and root.
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That's normal

OK
So more need of the file c432eominfo, just twrp the firmware update.zip to install sorry I did not know