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Nexus or Iphone? i cant decide...

To start off Iam no stranger to android&to the Iphone/Ipod touch OS(used to own an ipodtouch)
Iam truely brickwalled on deciding if I should switch to a nexus one or a Iphone 3g on tmobile. The reason why I'm still considering an iphone with tmobile is because for 1 my bill will go down a bit&I ll save near 200 on the phones purchase via ebay.
I do love android&the nexus one seems to be what I have been waiting for yet I don't want to be left out in the dark with 500 dollar device. By that I mean it not getting many android software updates. The only thing I can say I don't like about android 100% is the app market( I'm a sucker for games)
But all aside I just don't want to make the wrong choice as ill be starting my college classes in mid march&I need a new phone to see me thru. Currently I'm on a tmo g1&I havehad it for a year now. Its been dropped a few times&has its scares&I have maxed it out to my taste with custom roms.......but the time has come for a new device.
I welcome all help&opinions(esp if you have used both devices)

Firstly, the iPhone won't get 3G on T-Mobile bands.
I myself upgraded from a G1, and while I miss the hardware KB (mostly for SNES) the upgrade is great. All the things the G1 could technically do, this thing can do while running 5 other apps without any lag.
You're pretty much right about the games, but Polarbit has a handful of cool ones in 3d now that run great on the Nexus, and really show it off. Armageddon Squadron (dumb name) is a great WWII flying game where you can even dogfight online (though nobody ever seems to play). However, SNESoid is pretty much crippled right now that took away a lot of the gaming potential.
Eventually, however, it will have Flash 10.1 support, which will unlock a nearly infinite catalog of games online. Granted, Flash games aren't the most engaging.

I've been playing HomeRun Battle 3d on my nexus all day, so hard to put down.

you cant compare a Nexus One and iPhone 3G but u can compare it to a 3GS, i would go for that if u decide to take the iPhone route, the 3Gs is soo much better than the 3G
anyways i was in the same boat, i wanted the 3Gs but I was dying for and Android device, passed on the Nexus one ofr now, and saved 300 bucks and got a myTouch3G instead, i am still gonna in the market for a high powered ANDROID device but this is fine for now. SOmeone just put it to me like iPhone is for Paris Hiltons nowadays, its glamor. All the smart DEVs use the ANDROID platform

nicknowsky said:
you cant compare a Nexus One and iPhone 3G but u can compare it to a 3GS, i would go for that if u decide to take the iPhone route, the 3Gs is soo much better than the 3G
anyways i was in the same boat, i wanted the 3Gs but I was dying for and Android device, passed on the Nexus one ofr now, and saved 300 bucks and got a myTouch3G instead, i am still gonna in the market for a high powered ANDROID device but this is fine for now. SOmeone just put it to me like iPhone is for Paris Hiltons nowadays, its glamor. All the smart DEVs use the ANDROID platform
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Well said... the glamour bit.

I have 2 phones, a nexus one and an iphone 3gs.
IMHO, the nexus 1 is where the iphone was about a year ago, ie it's missing some functions (although you can add most of those through 3rd party apps and of course, the cooks are always making it better.)
HOWEVER, I love both phones. The thing with the Nexus is that once you root it etc, the possibilities are endless, just like when you jailbreak, but jailbreaking is easier than rooting (again imho) but you really get to know and love your phone once you have to figure out how to do things like fastbooting this and terminal into that etc...
There is one thing to keep in mind, the next phone is always around the corner and there could be a completely new iphone announced soon. Apple is having an event on the 27th of Jan, so maybe hold off on deciding until you hear what Stevy has to say
Either way, I think you'll be happy with either choice you make
Lou

samawil said:
I have 2 phones, a nexus one and an iphone 3gs.
IMHO, the nexus 1 is where the iphone was about a year ago, ie it's missing some functions (although you can add most of those through 3rd party apps and of course, the cooks are always making it better.)
HOWEVER, I love both phones. The thing with the Nexus is that once you root it etc, the possibilities are endless, just like when you jailbreak, but jailbreaking is easier than rooting (again imho) but you really get to know and love your phone once you have to figure out how to do things like fastbooting this and terminal into that etc...
There is one thing to keep in mind, the next phone is always around the corner and there could be a completely new iphone announced soon. Apple is having an event on the 27th of Jan, so maybe hold off on deciding until you hear what Stevy has to say
Either way, I think you'll be happy with either choice you make
Lou
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jailbreaking an iphone is easier than running 'fastboot oem unlock' ??

Also is it true that if I were to buy a jailbroken unlocked iphone 3g(3gs too exspensive)
&upgrade firmware that I would need a an at&t sim to activate it to rejailbreak then unlock it again?
If true that seals the deal&the nexus will be my choice

nmesisca said:
jailbreaking an iphone is easier than running 'fastboot oem unlock' ??
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To jailbreak my iPhone I pressed a button that said "make it rain". Both a pretty easy, but the Blackra1n app is easier for newbies.

corys00 said:
To jailbreak my iPhone I pressed a button that said "make it rain". Both a pretty easy, but the Blackra1n app is easier for newbies.
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That's what i meant...download and click
I'm not saying it's better..just easier
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There is no solution to jailbreak new iPhone 3Gs hardware released after 11/09. Blackrain will jailbreak but when switch phone off and back on again it will be in recovery mode and to get out from that phone need to be connect to the computer and run a blackrain again.
Even rooted N1 can be updated to new firmware without any problem.

Freezey said:
I do love android&the nexus one seems to be what I have been waiting for yet I don't want to be left out in the dark with 500 dollar device. By that I mean it not getting many android software updates. The only thing I can say I don't like about android 100% is the app market( I'm a sucker for games)
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Why are you so worried about not getting software updates? Android has had quite a few updates for only being out 1 year. If you're worried about updates on the Nexus itself, it's only been out for 2 weeks. . .

If your network is T-Mobile, Nexus One hands down. If your network is AT&T iPhone 3GS hands down. If you mean iPhone 3G and NOT 3GS, I would still go with Nexus One on AT&T.

I'm an ex iphone user and htc hd2 (pants) and the nexus one is by far the best phone i've ever had and i've had loads !!!

Nexus one hands down!
My favorite among many is... ask an iphone owner to take a picture in the dark! Oh nevermind!
But without making this an iphone vs N1 battle... Android is the future
Don't let all the bad publicity about the Nexus sink in... it's all overrated, this is an awesome phone

On the question of if you bought an unlocked 3g, would you have to rejailbreak and unlock it using an att sim to get an update...no
If it is already unlocked, you simply install the latest firmware update VIA the right methods. If it started out properly jailbroken and unlocked, and was produced before week 40, you never have to worry about it locking ever again.
Anyway, a little background. I used to be on these forums CONSTANTLY (had an HTC Touch (Sprint) and HTC HD). I then finally switched to the iPhone (never wanting to before, because of the ridiculously many basic flaws it had).
I am now on an iPhone 3GS 32GB. It honestly is the best phone I have ever used. I run a small business (selling smartphones), and can focus so much more now on getting things done, rather on HOW to get them done so that my phone will work right.
I also sell the Nexus One, and played with a customers a bit before I sold it. It seemed good...but sort of beta. Animations weren't as smooth as I would have liked, the device wasn't as fast as I would have liked, and typing was a NIGHTMARE. Since it doesn't have many common implementations of multitouch, I had to be VERY deliberate and careful when typing in order to get it to work right. On the iPhone, I can type ridiculously fast. Since I am used to the more responsive screen, however, I sucked on the Nexus One. That being said, perhaps if I had gone straight from the Touch HD to the Nexus One, I would have never noticed / cared. Even at that point though, I could never be as fast at typing as I am on the iPhone. I can hammer out emails and texts very quickly, and the correction is superb.
However, you are asking about Nexus One and 3G...I think I would say Nexus One for you. I would say 3GS overall, simply because it truly is the best. But between Nexus One and 3G, go for the Nexus One.
1. You are not coming from an iPhones typing experience.
2. The iPhone 3G honestly is just too slow. I've got 2 friends with the 3G model and I can't stand it. The 3GS is really so much faster.
Also, you do indeed need to take into consideration the fact that you are going to use T-Mobile...for which you would have no 3G on any iPhone. However if you go 3GS, the speed of the device can in many times compensate quite well for this, especially if you have a good strong signal with EDGE (used it today).
Also keep in mind that since you will be forced to use EDGE all the time on an iPhone, the battery life will be excellent (although you could choose to do the same with the Nexus One of course - but probably wouldn't).
Another thing, the iPhone is kind of tested - tried and true. All the apps are made for the same screen and res, the same platform, there has only been 3 very careful and slow implementations of the device, they don't usually slap 100 bells and whistles on - so you can always rely on it - ALWAYS.
Also, I do have my iPhone jailbroken, and have taken care of the few faults Apple left, and added a bunch of awesome features.
I'm also told by my suppliers that I should have access to the next gen iPhone sometime soon so...perhaps you should indeed wait as has been mentioned, at a minimum I'd wait until that Apple conference dealyo on the 27th.
But really, I just can't say enough how converted I am. I also installed OS X on my PC and never think about Windows (even Win 7). Apple products really are just SO SOLID and dependable. And fast. It's awesome.
Don't forget it also depends what you want it for. If you want to tinker with it and get into it, a Nexus One is probably again your best choice. If you want an awesome full featured fast smartphone to get things done very efficiently and completely every single time reliably, I'd say 3GS.
Wow. This was the first post I've made on here since I got my iPhone. Truly though, it has been my best phone experience ever, and I have tinkered with quite a few HTC phones for a LOT of time.
I just came back for old times sake.
Anyway, good day to all you xda members! It was good to be back for a bit.
Just a quick FYI, I wholesale and retail all sorts of smartphones (including the Nexus One and factory unlocked (and software unlocked) iPhone 3G and 3GS). So drop me a line or tell a friend if there's interest!
[email protected]

Not going to adress your whole wall-of-text, sorry about that. Just a little note, a 16GB card does NOT cost $100, it's under half of that.
And as a little counterweight: I must say I enjoy Win7 and Android a lot more than OSX and iphone, but that might be just me. Also I'm not a devout follower of any computer software and I will never convert to anything. If I think it's better for my needs, I will use it (having had WM phones, ipods, iphones etc etc). I still use a ipod nano 16GB as my mp3 player because it's small and has a nice screen (although without itunes).
People saying they are converts to computer software/hardware well... too bad for them imo

SBS_ said:
Not going to adress your whole wall-of-text, sorry about that. Just a little note, a 16GB card does NOT cost $100, it's under half of that.
And as a little counterweight: I must say I enjoy Win7 and Android a lot more than OSX and iphone, but that might be just me. Also I'm not a devout follower of any computer software and I will never convert to anything. If I think it's better for my needs, I will use it (having had WM phones, ipods, iphones etc etc). I still use a ipod nano 16GB as my mp3 player because it's small and has a nice screen (although without itunes).
People saying they are converts to computer software/hardware well... too bad for them imo
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Hey, thanks for the input. Would you mind dropping a link to a 16gb card cheaper than that? I have always been surprised they were so expensive, guess I have just been looking in the wrong places.
As for the convert issue...I agree. For example, I was going to drop my iPhone and move to the Nexus One until I tried one out, and discovered that it's 3G will only work with TMobile, and only in the US. What I meant by convert is...right now I have OS X and I have Win 7 ultimate, and I have an iPhone and have had many HTC phones and...In my experience, and for my uses, Apple products have proved time and time again to be vastly superior. But the second the "Nexus Two" comes out and beats the latest iPhone...I'm on board I've really always wanted an Android phone, and really always thought it would conquer. However for the time being, the 3GS 32GB jailbroken has proved the top of the pack for me.

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discovered that it's 3G will only work with TMobile, and only in the US
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Just wanted to address this - the 3G on the nexus will work fine outside the US - some carriers like those in canada dont necissarily use the tmob US frequencies but the whole of europe (on all carriers) and significant parts of the rest of the world does.

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Just wanted to address this - the 3G on the nexus will work fine outside the US - some carriers like those in canada dont necissarily use the tmob US frequencies but the whole of europe (on all carriers) and significant parts of the rest of the world does.
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How sure are you about this? From my understanding, even T-Mobile in other countries doesn't use the T-Mobile US 3G frequency. I was under the impression that T-Mobile US alone used their 3G frequency.
Can anyone help us out here?

Should I return my Fascinate?

I'm thinking about returning my Fascinate in light of the Verizon iPhone. Would it be worth it? Being stuck on 2.1 waiting till 2013 for Gingerbread forever sucks!

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I'm thinking about returning my Fascinate in light of the Verizon iPhone. Would it be worth it? Being stuck on 2.2 forever sucks!
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I wouldn't get this iteration of the iPhone. You'll be stuck on it for the next two years, missing out completely on the next gen device that will come out in the summer.

there isn't a phone that you can walk into the VZW store and buy right now that is better than the Fascinate. You can argue that the Droid inc, Droid X and droid 2 are all superior in some way, but in terms of hardware, speed, and form-factor there isn't a better all around device today. In a month or two, that could very well change, but if you take it back today, what are you going to get?

nmyeti said:
there isn't a phone that you can walk into the VZW store and buy right now that is better than the Fascinate. You can argue that the Droid inc, Droid X and droid 2 are all superior in some way, but in terms of hardware, speed, and form-factor there isn't a better all around device today. In a month or two, that could very well change, but if you take it back today, what are you going to get?
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Yeah, I owned the Droid inc and returned it for the Fascinate, that was a good decision I think. The X is too big and has a tumor, and the Droid 2 is just a faster version of the OG Droid.
Very Good points. Thanks.

nmyeti said:
there isn't a phone that you can walk into the VZW store and buy right now that is better than the Fascinate. You can argue that the Droid inc, Droid X and droid 2 are all superior in some way, but in terms of hardware, speed, and form-factor there isn't a better all around device today. In a month or two, that could very well change, but if you take it back today, what are you going to get?
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I kind of agree with you on the VZW part. The Fascinate IMO is the best Android handset on Verizon, for the the reasons that you also listed above. However, having been using an iPhone 3GS until recently, there are also some benefits to switching over to iOS. Personally, I find a lot more that I like about the Android platform compared to iOS. I also have a problem with having to use a device where a CEO is determining what I want from a phone, but it does have its upsides.
However as a Fascinate owner, there seems to be this feeling of being left behind and inadequate. Samsung is more focused on releasing new devices with Froyo already installed, than actually releasing the damn update on our current phones. What's the point in buying the Fascinate today if in not even half of a year there will be a better version of it running wild? At least with the iPhone you know that you will get timely updates and a new version won't hit stores until at least a year later.
Now, one could argue that rooting your SCH-I500 and flashing a custom ROM can make you feel less concerned with having to have the 2.2 update on the phone, but even the mod development on this phone feels somewhat weak (No offense to the Fascinate devs, I know you guys are awesome and doing all you can to save this phone). I'm just calling it how I see it. I've used, rooted, and modded an Epic 4G and that device has a way more active community with more variety in mod selections.
Personally, if I was told that I could exchange my Fascinate for the iPhone 4 when it releases I would jump on that. However, If I was told that I could exchange my Fascinate for the Droid Bionic when that launches, I would be much more excited.

As noted, the Fascinate even with 2.1 is still a fantastic phone. If you are smart, you'll keep what you have (or trade/ebay) to keep your upgrade for later this year when all the LTE dual core Androids come out that will blow away anything out currently and even the next iPhone coming in June/July (as it won't have LTE).

I would return it and just get a cheap feature phone off craig's list and use that sans contract until the Motorola Bionic comes out, and then sign your contract with the phone discount. Wish I still had this option. May try to sell my Fascinate on craig's list and see if I can get 50% of the cost of a Bionic to just buy it out right. Im tired of Samsung and their bull ****. I can deal with updates no coming out. But when you code your phone so poorly that even the dev community can't work with it to fix your laziness and inability to release updates, well that is just too much for me.

Yes, most definitely. Return it, and get a Razr.

superchunkwii said:
As noted, the Fascinate even with 2.1 is still a fantastic phone. If you are smart, you'll keep what you have (or trade/ebay) to keep your upgrade for later this year when all the LTE dual core Androids come out that will blow away anything out currently and even the next iPhone coming in June/July (as it won't have LTE).
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Yeah i can't wait to see the battery life on a dual core :/
Z an B son!

zachsx said:
Yeah i can't wait to see the battery life on a dual core :/
Z an B son!
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Considering all the current smart phones have about 1500mah batteries and the specs released for the upcoming dual core have 2000mah batteries along with better/more efficient OSs etc, I'm thinking the battery life will be about the same.

Battery life may even be better on the targa2 based phones as they probably will have a lot more time "at rest" since they are capable of doing a lot more work per clock cycle.
Personally i am holding out till a dual core, lte phone comes along in the form factor i want.

Wait for dual core. Iphone 4 is outdated by the time March hits.
Rockin' DJ05, Minimal Icognito, Clocked at 1.3Ghz

spotmark said:
Yes, most definitely. Return it, and get a Razr.
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Razor FTW! I had one of those back in 07', I thought it was bad a$$.

Yeah, being on the latest version of android would be nice. But, honestly, I don't know that having a newer version of android would impact how I use my phone. Flash support will be nice but I rarely find my self on websites that require flash while browsing on my phone. certain apps require 2.2, but I don't use those. The speed bump might be the biggest difference (for me, at least).
I'm sure we'll get updates either from the devs or from samsung that will bring us to the newer versions of android. But, Before you got making a drastic change in phone hardware just ask yourself if that is really going to change your phone activities or how you use it. For me, it really won't.
my 2 cents.

I'm in the same boat. I just got my Fascinate 3 weeks ago (leaving a little over 1 more week to return it under the 30 day guarantee), and I love it; it's the first smart phone I've owned. However, I can't help but feel the iPhone might be a better choice.
For me, the selling points for Android were Google Voice integration and free wifi hotspot capability. After researching these, I believe they are both now possible on the iPhone. I didn't even consider an iPhone before because I didn't want to deal with AT&T's network, but on Verizon, it is pretty tempting.
I also hate Steve Jobs and the general iPhone mindset--that everything is perfect as-is without allowing for any changes. With jailbreaking, however, I feel like most things on the Android become possible. I'm under the impression that the iPhone can do essentially everything that Android can, with a better/larger selection of apps and games. Maybe I'm wrong...it'd be great if someone who has previously owned an iPhone could point out its flaws to change my mind.
In the end, I'm sure I'd be happy with either device, regardless of my decision. But with 2 years to go, I want the best experience possible. The Fascinate has been great, but Samsung's apathy toward updates is a big turn-off. If it weren't for jt/birdman/etc. and their work on Gingerbread, I might have switched already.

theBNich said:
I'm in the same boat. I just got my Fascinate 3 weeks ago (leaving a little over 1 more week to return it under the 30 day guarantee), and I love it; it's the first smart phone I've owned. However, I can't help but feel the iPhone might be a better choice.
For me, the selling points for Android were Google Voice integration and free wifi hotspot capability. After researching these, I believe they are both now possible on the iPhone. I didn't even consider an iPhone before because I didn't want to deal with AT&T's network, but on Verizon, it is pretty tempting.
I also hate Steve Jobs and the general iPhone mindset--that everything is perfect as-is without allowing for any changes. With jailbreaking, however, I feel like most things on the Android become possible. I'm under the impression that the iPhone can do essentially everything that Android can, with a better/larger selection of apps and games. Maybe I'm wrong...it'd be great if someone who has previously owned an iPhone could point out its flaws to change my mind.
In the end, I'm sure I'd be happy with either device, regardless of my decision. But with 2 years to go, I want the best experience possible. The Fascinate has been great, but Samsung's apathy toward updates is a big turn-off. If it weren't for jt/birdman/etc. and their work on Gingerbread, I might have switched already.
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Personally, I'd stick with what you got so you don't get trapped into iOS apps and iTunes (which I loathe). GB will be out soonish from this community and Samsung will eventually get 2.2 out if you want to stay unrooted.
The phone is a great phone and the only feature you'll really be lacking is the front camera/video calls. If that is really important to you, then maybe get the HTC Thunderbolt as it comes out soon.
Also, don't worry about your return period as you can easily sell the phone for upwards of $400 on Ebay/Craigslist and simply buy someones phone you want out right down the road when they launch. Such as in 6mos or so when all the far better dual core LTE devices launch.

superchunkwii said:
Personally, I'd stick with what you got so you don't get trapped into iOS apps and iTunes (which I loathe). GB will be out soonish from this community and Samsung will eventually get 2.2 out if you want to stay unrooted.
The phone is a great phone and the only feature you'll really be lacking is the front camera/video calls. If that is really important to you, then maybe get the HTC Thunderbolt as it comes out soon.
Also, don't worry about your return period as you can easily sell the phone for upwards of $400 on Ebay/Craigslist and simply buy someones phone you want out right down the road when they launch. Such as in 6mos or so when all the far better dual core LTE devices launch.
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I don't care at all about a front camera; until it is much more common and the people that I talk to have one, it is on the bottom of my priority list. What do you hate about iOS apps? I have an iPod, and I personally think iTunes is a decent interface for music syncs. It certainly beats what I use to transfer media to my Fascinate right now, which is manual file copying. Maybe I'll give MediaMonkey a try soon.

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I don't care at all about a front camera; until it is much more common and the people that I talk to have one, it is on the bottom of my priority list. What do you hate about iOS apps? I have an iPod, and I personally think iTunes is a decent interface for music syncs. It certainly beats what I use to transfer media to my Fascinate right now, which is manual file copying. Maybe I'll give MediaMonkey a try soon.
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iOS apps are fine, except I do believe there are far more free versions on the Android market.
I loathe iTunes as its a resource hog. I refuse to allow it on my machines.
Android allows you to use whatever software you want and you simply copy paste the media over to your phone. May not be automatic (yet I'm sure Google is working on this) but, that is not a concern to me and I am good with copy/paste.

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iOS apps are fine, except I do believe there are far more free versions on the Android market.
I loathe iTunes as its a resource hog. I refuse to allow it on my machines.
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I hate itunes and it's probably the #1 reason that I don't use an iphone. There is nothing specifically wrong with the iphone 4, but honestly who wants to sign a 2 year contract on something that is already about a year old when a new version will be out soon?
I bought my Droid inc back in April when it launched. VZW was kind enough to replace it with a SF after I had some issues with my 3rd DINC. I've got an upgrade i'm saving for when something really compelling comes out and i can tell you, the iphone 4 isn't compelling.

I have 2 different people I know that own iPhone 4s and I have had to use them at one point or another (to look something up and my phone was at my desk). I can say that I will definitely NEVER EVER go back to a 3.5 inch screen. They seem soooo small now. I don't think I would even consider a 3.7 inch screen at this point. I think 4 inches is the smallest I will ever go, and the 4.3 on the Droid X and Evo are probably pushing the upper region.

Vibrant(any android competitor) vs iPhone on AT&T... trying to educate a coworker

I overheard a dude at work who is looking to get his first smartphone (on AT&T)that he was probably going to give-in and get an iPhone.
I asked him why he wanted the iPhone and he said because no other phone out there can touch it from his impression.
I asked him what it had that other phones out there didn't have and he obviously didn't do his homework yet, though he still had already developed the "desire" to get the iPhone. I know it's because of advertising, but the real thing was I couldn't nail down exactly why an Android phone would be better, or even what phone would trump it on AT&T...
The Captivate doesn't have a front facing camera which I believe is kind of necessary to really stack up against Apple's phone.
Anyone have any simple advice I can give this guy to stay away from Apple? He is obviously not that smart on phones, so I know he is adverse to custom ROMS unless I can convince him otherwise. Thanks.

Let him get what he wants unless you wanna have to hear him complain when he can't figure this or that out or if this app is not available. Less stress for you down the line. To each his own.
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True, android only better if you give it a chance and willing to play around.
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If he really wants the iPhone, he should get the iPhone.
If he isn't really sure what he wants, I would suggest that he go to the store and try out different phones in person. Sometimes a phone isn't what you expect when you finally get to play with it.
Also, I think if you're going to upgrade, make sure there are at least 2 phones you're interested in. In case you hate your first choice, you can take it back during the return period and exchange it for your second choice.

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If he really wants the iPhone, he should get the iPhone.
If he isn't really sure what he wants, I would suggest that he go to the store and try out different phones in person. Sometimes a phone isn't what you expect when you finally get to play with it.
Also, I think if you're going to upgrade, make sure there are at least 2 phones you're interested in. In case you hate your first choice, you can take it back during the return period and exchange it for your second choice.
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Thanks, good advice.

I would only try and direct him away from locking in on a contract on an iPhone that's been out 6+ months when the next iPhone is right around the corner. May as well lock in on a brand new device to get the most out of it.

He should get the iPhone. It's a great phone and perfect for people who dont know how or dont care to modify their phone.
I prefer my Vibrant and wouldnt trade it for an iPhone 4G, but thats me, and I understand that for most people out there an iPhone is better, even if only because it makes them feel good to have the fashionable bling. To each his own.
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Agree with the poster above. Convince him to wait a few months for the next iPhone.

sublimnl said:
Let him get what he wants unless you wanna have to hear him complain when he can't figure this or that out or if this app is not available. Less stress for you down the line. To each his own.
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That is the best advise possible. My coworker fell in love with my vibrant and wanted the equivalent on verizon. Since then every day there is new questions. I like helping people, but not a single day goes by wiouth something new to ask me. Be prepared for that.
I would let him know about a little phone coming out next week-ish called the Motorola Atrix w/ its dual-core awesomeness. Otherwise let him follow the cult of jobs.

I think the op just really wants to show him that there are other phones out there just as good as the iphone.
I know a co-worker of mine felt the same way and after talking with him he has now decided to go with the htc thunderbolt.
I agree with everyone else its just insane to go with a old phone when I new one is just around the corner. I swear if the 2g was still out everyone would still buy that

Thunder bolt!
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its very simple and others might not like my thought process but..
iphone is for simple minded sheep, android is for smart people.

if he has his heart set on an iphone, do not try and convince him, because if you make all these arguments of android being greater (and since he does not know his way around a phone), he is going to get a captivate, probably with android 2.1 + lag + gps problems + w/e other problems it came with, and i doubt he would know how to flash a new rom etc.
Then you will be 'that bastard that convinced me to throw away $200 plus my upgrade', and then one day he will climb up you window with a chainsaw (or machete if he is not that strong) and ....

Im not going to lie but the iphone is a pretty powerful machine. Dont hold me to this but i have heard that the processor is underclocked to 1 ghz to save battery..
But the os is so locked down which makes it better in some ways and worse in others.. if you havent noticed, the iphone sets the standard for smartphones, its always "well it compares to.the iphone this.... iphone that..." .
Apple does their research right and always sets the bar for smartphones. The reason it is not customizable is so that everything will work correctly. I personally don't prefer that I can't change anything (without jailbreaking of course, which is a pain in the ass) .
I kind of have the best of both worlds with an ipod touch 4g. Its very very fast and has excellent battery life but its just so boring..
So if he's not tech savvy then tell him to wait for the next iphone. However if he is lol tell him to wait for the samsung galaxy s 2.
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Ios is so ugly compared to what we have with android. It is so busy. I never noticed until I got used to android, but now when I see someone using an iphone I can't help but think that the screen is annoyingly crammed full of icons. Who wants to look at all that junk?
Also the screen is noticably smaller
To me a 4" android screen is infinitely more plesant to use.
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Would you sell your GS3 for a WP8 phone?

I'm wondering if its worth hanging on to my ATT GSIII phone and starting a whole new 2 year contract or if I should return it and wait for the Windows phone 8 to come out. Personally, I'm bored as hell from iphones and Android just never seems to be quiet there yet. After seeing the demo of WP8, it really got me interested. It basically takes the best of iOS and Android and mixes it all in a fresh new package.
I still got 3 weeks to return mines to the AT&T store, is anyone else here considering switching to a WP8 phone? I'm also interested to see what the new iphone looks like too. One thing that pisses me off about Android are that the iOS apps always look way way better than Android, Google really needs to start putting in some standards with these developers. I still can't play many of the Gameloft and EA games on this phone that I've purchased a while back.

Its all advertisement nothing elsr honestly i feel like wp is a little bit too boring customisation compared to android is no match only reason i stick whit android is because its open source and lot of customisation and so on..
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Your call, but you should know that windows phones are pretty locked down/ limited with modification. If that's something you like, then android is best.

I just switched from an iphone to the S3 and I'm not sure I agree with you about the IOS apps looking better. The ones I've used that they both have in common look pretty much the same to me. As a matter of fact, some of the android versions look nicer and have a better user interface.
I have zero interest in the windows phone. Until they can compete with the number and variety of apps available for ios and android, it won't appeal to me at all.
btw, I also have 3 weeks left in my return period and I'm pretty sure I've decided to stick with the S3. Sure it has its bugs and annoyances but so will every phone. The only two things that have kept me from committing 100% to it so far are the battery life problems and the wifi problems. Time will tell.......

I wonder what the new excuse will be when the next version doesn't sell well at all. I believe the old Windows mobile still has more market share. Pretty pathetic.
It's not just Apple and android being entrenched. The os simply sucks comparatively and plenty of people simply do not like metro. Apple has a better walled garden and android has a better large open estate. Microsoft would have done better if they opened all the api and embraced developers. Instead you get a half ass iPhone. GG

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Your call, but you should know that windows phones are pretty locked down/ limited with modification. If that's something you like, then android is best.
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Personally, I'm tired of the many modifications, so far I left mines on stock. I've gotten to the point where all that ROM flashing has gotten old and I need to do real work. On my last phone, the HTC Vivid, all I ever did was flash ROM after flash ROM for no good reason, it felt like a damn crack addiction.

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[/COLOR]I wonder what the new excuse will be when the next version doesn't sell well at all. I believe the old Windows mobile still has more market share. Pretty pathetic.
It's not just Apple and android being entrenched. The os simply sucks comparatively and plenty of people simply do not like metro.
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I didn't like the Metro on the WP7, but that WP8 looks alot better better because you can resize them, they seem alot like widgets. Also, now you can use a MicroSD card, have dual-core processors, and have larger screens.
M$ seems to get their act straight this time around, they probably got tired of Apple taking their marketshare.

Metro is great, but having been burned by WebOS, I'd wait a year or two to see if WP8 takes off before investing in an ecosystem. My bet is they take about 7-8% marketshare and go nowhere from there. But who knows.
I think I'd take stock Jelly Bean over WP8 though.

There's a Windows style launcher on the market.

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Metro is great, but having been burned by WebOS, I'd wait a year or two to see if WP8 takes off before investing in an ecosystem. My bet is they take about 7-8% marketshare and go nowhere from there. But who knows.
I think I'd take stock Jelly Bean over WP8 though.
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Aridon said:
I wonder what the new excuse will be when the next version doesn't sell well at all. I believe the old Windows mobile still has more market share. Pretty pathetic.
It's not just Apple and android being entrenched. The os simply sucks comparatively and plenty of people simply do not like metro. Apple has a better walled garden and android has a better large open estate. Microsoft would have done better if they opened all the api and embraced developers. Instead you get a half ass iPhone. GG
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I dont see the potential in windows phone honestly i mean its just plain boring i have tried one ...
At first it felt like a new toy and over the few first day i got bored it lacks customisation that alone worth staying whit android ...
Whit the new jelly bean 4.1 it will be very hard to get beaten by windows or even ios6 ...
The future is android from my point of view...
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NIKKG said:
I'm wondering if its worth hanging on to my ATT GSIII phone and starting a whole new 2 year contract or if I should return it and wait for the Windows phone 8 to come out. Personally, I'm bored as hell from iphones and Android just never seems to be quiet there yet. After seeing the demo of WP8, it really got me interested. It basically takes the best of iOS and Android and mixes it all in a fresh new package.
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I don't think it makes sense to ask others to a judgement call for you. Especially on an Android forum.
Re: iPhone and Android "not being quite there"—you do realize that's exactly what every reviewer says about Windows Phone 7?
Windows Phone 8 is a rewrite so I would not have high hopes for the first generation of phones. Also, the demos are made to impress. You should take them with a grain of salt.

Are you kidding me? I had to revert to an HD7 WP7 phone when I killed my Galaxy II two weeks before the Galaxy III launch and for those two weeks I wanted to stick sharp objects into my eye.
Pretty much any app worth having in WP7 costs $$$. The GPS/Nav sucks, searches are done with Bing and dealing with a corporate email account with multiple folders is just about the worst email experience ever on that phone.
I'm done experimenting with WP versions - go ahead and try WP8 when it comes out but Android seems to be a better, more open, more tweakable, more dev friendly ecosystem and I'll stay here...

Don't count Microsoft out. WP7 is a great OS.
I find the question odd seeing as the OS isn't out yet with it's new hardware. But having used WP7 I know that's it's going to be a great update. WP7 is a great OS, and while the phones might be under powered compared to apple and android phones, they still hold their own which says a lot about the optimization of the OS. Kudos to Microsoft for that. The only detracting thing is the apps, but with the new Windows 8 using Metro apps, I can easily see WP8 giving android and ios a run for their money.

While, i dont see myself standing in line for a Windows mobile device. I do enjoy the fact knowing that it will be another direction away from IOS...:good:

I am in agreement with you. We are not in need of another company hell bent on controlling us. For crying out loud why don't these company's see or understand this? I am partial towards Android. I don't mind Apple to much. Well with the exception of the whole let's sue everyone and there mother's attitude. That part pissed me off to no end. And I do hope it turns around and bites them in the ass. I do hope the never go anywhere. Because as much as I do like Android, I like the fact that Android has competition. Google is big enough and has enough money that if all competition were gone. They might just try to pull some Apple/Microsoft crap. I do think that Google and Apple are to hig as is. Just like our governments. And Microsoft is big also. But in a different way. They are like tha big dopey kid on the block. You know, the one that would like to make you his hitch but is to stupid and slow to do so? Lol!
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NIKKG said:
Personally, I'm tired of the many modifications, so far I left mines on stock. I've gotten to the point where all that ROM flashing has gotten old and I need to do real work. On my last phone, the HTC Vivid, all I ever did was flash ROM after flash ROM for no good reason, it felt like a damn crack addiction.
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I was like that with my HTC inspire and not so bad with my GSII. Flashed a new one every day or so. It was awful I had to try them all. I'm keeping my GSIII stock for now too. You can customize plenty through market
My bf had WP7 and it was awful. Looked nice but just wasn't practical he hated it, NEVER worked right. He had 4 within the firsts few weeks from button issues(however that was HTC issue)

Windows phones are fast and stable. I used the Samsung focus on mango for several months and I was sold on wp7. Not one single force close or lag. However, my HTC Titan had serious mic issues so I returned it and ended up with my galaxy skyrocket. I do like having the ability to customize with android, and I think the SIII would be worth the contract. The SIII will hold its value and if you decide to go wp8, just eBay or Craigslist your SIII when that time comes. I myself want the SIII but waiting for the right deal.
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Are you kidding me? I had to revert to an HD7 WP7 phone when I killed my Galaxy II two weeks before the Galaxy III launch and for those two weeks I wanted to stick sharp objects into my eye.
Pretty much any app worth having in WP7 costs $$$. The GPS/Nav sucks, searches are done with Bing and dealing with a corporate email account with multiple folders is just about the worst email experience ever on that phone.
I'm done experimenting with WP versions - go ahead and try WP8 when it comes out but Android seems to be a better, more open, more tweakable, more dev friendly ecosystem and I'll stay here...
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gps does not suck. I found it every bit as good as android if not better.
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lesd777 said:
gps does not suck. I found it every bit as good as android if not better.
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Google Maps is immeasurably better than Bing Maps.

[Q] Trying to get my dad to choose a RAZR M over iCrap..help me

I currently have a Galaxy S3, but my dad wants a budget phone and he is looking to get the 4S...I have been trying to convince him otherwise and to get this phone, but he WILL NOT budge. He doesnt want an Android because I had multiple problems with my Nexus when I had it, and I am trying to explain to him its because Samsung did a horrible job with the Nexus.
Anyone have any good reviews or things that I can use to persuade my dad against the iPhone.

Phositadc gave an awesome review under this same general forum. Thread titled impressions after 1 day of use.
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To be completely honest and put my Droid bias on hold for a second, I would probably say that the 4S would be a good phone if he is new to smartphones and not very technology oriented. The one thing the iPhones have is simplicity. While I do firmly believe that android is the superior OS for power and utility, I can't deny the "user friendliness" of the iOs. Also, if he has an iPod of some sort and uses iTunes heavily, that would be a sure seller for the 4S for continued Apple nursing.
However, if he has is in any way tech savvy, push him towards the power, personalization, and screen size factors and make him hold and play with the M for a while. The M beats the iPhone 5 even hands-down in these terms, but you need to put down the Apple flavored kool-aid to see it.
At the end of the day, though, it's his cash, he will spend it how he wants so you may just have to accept that. If he starts sitting in line for days for things, however, he may need to be put down since he is obviously a lost cause at that point, lol. Can't save 'em all...

exactly what he just said. your pops has to use the phone not you so he should choose what he feels is good for him. working in IT folks always ask us at work what the "best phone" is and i tel lthem to i prefer android but IOS is a really good choce, esp for less tech savvy users who just want a phone that "works"
ive stopped rooting most friends and families phones because majority of the time it breaks updates, etc. unless they understand (or are willing to learn) how to use CM, etc and do backups and update ROMs on their own.

schwartzman93 said:
Anyone have any good reviews or things that I can use to persuade my dad against the iPhone.
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I don't understand why you don't want your dad to get a phone that he wants. It's true that iPhones are limited/locked down compared with Android phones, but they also have their advantages. He can likely get help from anyone who has an iPhone, because of that consistency. Even though I've owned an original Moto Droid and then switched to an HTC DInc 2, I feel somewhat lost when looking at other Android phones, mostly because of the manufacturer overlays (Sense, TouchWiz, etc.) and other changes that they make.
I tried getting my wife to switch from her Blackberry to Android, but after she tried my Moto Droid she said she hated it. After she tried my DInc 2 she said she hated it and would stay with her Blackberry rather than switch to a smartphone. One day one of her friends showed her an iPhone 4 and guess what? Yep... she wanted one. The UI is simpler and less customizable, but it's also easier to understand and start using quickly. Maybe something similar is going through your dad's head. While there are really good Android phones out there, it's mostly a crap shoot unless you know exactly what you're doing, and getting help, even from another Android phone owner, can also be a crap shoot. The simplicity and consistency of the iPhone is a liability OR a plus, depending on who's looking at it.
I see them as too limiting, and that's why I've purchased and am waiting for my Moto Razr M developer edition.

If you're looking for ease of use, get him a WP phone. Those are way easier to use and much smoother than iOS or Android.
I find Android a lot easier to use than iOS, though. I can never find where anything is on iOS, and it's not intuitive to me at all.

My brother calls iPhone's "Kid Phones". Tell your dad that.

I got my dad to get the Razr M and he loves it
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