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ATT wants to charge me for 3G now

This morning I got a SMS from AT&T (USA) saying that they have identified my device as a "smartphone" and they will now be charging me $30 per month for data. (I checked and have used about 400MB of data in the last month)
(previously I was on a $10 data unlimited + $5 (forced messaging) plan (EDGE).
When I called to ask, they said that the only way I can use the EDGE data unlimited plan was if I went back to my SE w810 phone. (Note that it has a full browser and IM capability too)
I'm shocked how they can force me to pay more by using their ignorance of data technology (diff between EDGE and 3G) as an excuse.
Some questions for the community:
1) has this happened to you and what did you do ?
2) which are the other providers that provide EDGE? (the ATT rep stated as a matter of fact that t-mo DOES NOT have a EDGE-only plan, but I have read that t-mo does have it)
3) do you think I should return my phone and wait for the ATT version?
4) which 3G band is more common around the world? (UMTS Band 1/4/8 2100/AWS/900 ) or the bands on the upcoming ATT N1 ?
ps: I'm thinking of calling them back and saying that my phone is not a smartphone. (coz its a superphone )

Switch your phone to "use only 2g networks" (under settings>wireless networks) and tell them that they are wrong and your phone is incapable of 3g connectivity. I'm on tmo and I don't think they have a 2g (edge) only plan...

so....
you have a nexus that gets at&t 3g? how is that possible?

britoso said:
This morning I got a SMS from AT&T (USA) saying that they have identified my device as a "smartphone" and they will now be charging me $30 per month for data. (I checked and have used about 400MB of data in the last month)
(previously I was on a $10 data unlimited + $5 (forced messaging) plan (EDGE).
When I called to ask, they said that the only way I can use the EDGE data unlimited plan was if I went back to my SE w810 phone. (Note that it has a full browser and IM capability too)
I'm shocked how they can force me to pay more by using their ignorance of data technology (diff between EDGE and 3G) as an excuse.
Some questions for the community:
1) has this happened to you and what did you do ?
2) which are the other providers that provide EDGE? (the ATT rep stated as a matter of fact that t-mo DOES NOT have a EDGE-only plan, but I have read that t-mo does have it)
3) do you think I should return my phone and wait for the ATT version?
4) which 3G band is more common around the world? (UMTS Band 1/4/8 2100/AWS/900 ) or the bands on the upcoming ATT N1 ?
ps: I'm thinking of calling them back and saying that my phone is not a smartphone. (coz its a superphone )
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They are not "using their ignorance of data technology as an excuse". I am sure that AT&T knows more about the technology behind their service than you or I. They are not using any "excuses" they are going by policy. If you have a smart phone on their network they require you to have a data plan. It is really in your best interest to pay for the unlimited plan. It prevents you from having insanely large bills. And if you can afford to by the Nexus One, you can afford the $30 plan. I had to pay for the data plan when I had my 8525 on AT&T and they didn't even have 3G in my area at the time.

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If you have a smart phone on their network they require you to have a data plan.
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You're missing the point. THEY get to decide what is a "smartphone". Even though there are two levels of service (EDGE and 3G), they force you into paying for 3G even if your phone does not support it.
An analogy is a gas station forcing you to fill premium gas even though your car runs fine on regular. The gas station's excuse is that you have a shiny car so as per their policy you can only fill up on premium.

britoso said:
You're missing the point. THEY get to decide what is a "smartphone". Even though there are two levels of service (EDGE and 3G), they force you into paying for 3G even if your phone does not support it.
An analogy is a gas station forcing you to fill premium gas even though your car runs fine on regular. The gas station's excuse is that you have a shiny car so as per their policy you can only fill up on premium.
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LOL at the analogy. How about drop the bucket of loss that is AT&T and go with TMobile????

j2eubank said:
LOL at the analogy. How about drop the bucket of loss that is AT&T and go with TMobile????
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i second this lmao

b1337 said:
you have a nexus that gets at&t 3g? how is that possible?
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this .

Are you on contract? If you are tell them to go eat a ****, or free you from your contract because they are changing the terms on you.
If you're not on contract, then well, it's really up to them to change terms as they see fit, and they get to decide how you use their network.

I'm not in contract, been with them (Cingular) since 2003.
What are my options for voice+EDGE only.
I will surely miss my rollover minutes.

I could be wrong, but I don't think data plans are ever Edge or 3G specific. You are paying for data based on smartphone usage expectations. They think smartphone users will use a larger bandwidth than someone who uses a feature phone regardless of what the phones 3g/edge capabilities are.
If you are interested in checking out tmobile, you would be suited perfectly do to one of their even more plus plans (no contract, no subsidy) which range from $59.99 for 500 min with unlimited data/text (or ~$55 for no text) up to $79.99 for unlimited everything...
Depending on where you live you may only get edge, or GPRS so make sure to check the coverage maps etc...
Edit: IIRC DFW is supposed to well covered by tmo...

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You are paying for data based on smartphone usage expectations.
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So browsing on EDGE on my old sony w810i uses less bandwidth than browsing the same websites on my N1 ?
There is NO cap on the EDGE-only "data unlimited" data plan.
In the past they have forced people who used more than 2GB/month to switch. I'm not even close to that number. All they have right now is that i'm on a phone they classify as a "smartphone".
So those rates are for t-mo 3G correct ?

Damn that sucks that they're forcing you to upgrade >.< unfortunately, it's the same with t-mobile so it's up to you if you want to switch carriers
I had the "total internet add-on" data plan with t-mo with my dash, i only got edge on it though since the phone didnt support 3g. When i got my N1 i had 3g working for about 2 weeks just fine but one day it stopped working altogether, so i called them up and they said the same thing, "We have detected that you are using an android smartphone so you'll have to upgrade to the android internet plan"
Now i'm paying $25/month.
That's not too much of a difference than ATT's $30 but if you switch you'll actually be able to use 3g, and t-mobile's pretty cheap too so it shouldnt be too bad for you

britoso said:
So browsing on EDGE on my old sony w810i uses less bandwidth than browsing the same websites on my N1 ?
There is NO cap on the EDGE-only "data unlimited" data plan.
In the past they have forced people who used more than 2GB/month to switch. I'm not even close to that number. All they have right now is that i'm on a phone they classify as a "smartphone".
So those rates are for t-mo 3G correct ?
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Yup, T-mobile is essentially going for an "all or nothing" pricing structure.
Basically three options, X Minutes voice, text, data.
I hope they roll text and voice together soon.

britoso said:
So those rates are for t-mo 3G correct ?
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Yeah, the rates listed are for tmobile 3G (there is no EDGE plan on any carrier as far as I know), and you can take a closer look at tmobile.com. If those prices are good to you you should at least test tmobile out for a couple of weeks... 3G is definitely much more fun on the nexus than edge, and if you are going to be paying $30 a month more on At&t anyway you have nothing to lose. Also, you wouldn't be signing a contract, so you'd be in about the same position as you are now but with 3G capabilites.
With regards to data plans, I am not saying I agree with their logic; In fact, I think they should have 3G and Edge specific data plans. You would think AT&T would also welcome this to alleviate some of the 3G congestion for users who don't demand 3G speeds, or who's phones are not capable. I would even welcome a tiered package, for example, a 1GB hard cap for $10-15 or something.
Anyway, I think (total guess here) that they believe there is more use of push email, etc and apps that constantly update and grab data on phones like the iphone and nexus, so those are the capabilities I am referring to, not simply browsing the web.

There's no reason for them to have edge/3g data plans, that's not what they're charging you for. they charge more for smartphones because they use more bandwidth since they're able to load actual websites and do more than a basic cellphone with mobile web browsing. They may have a poor way of explaining the situation if they're saying it's because you've accessed their 3g networks (which as somebody has already pointed out is impossible with an N1), but it's simply because a smartphone accesses the data network more than a basic cellphone.

Why do you want EDGE only? Thing is the unlimited voice plans on tmobile are so cheap you don't need roll over. I used to be on AT&T as well and always felt more like I was the one doing the rolling over.

j2eubank said:
Why do you want EDGE only? Thing is the unlimited voice plans on tmobile are so cheap you don't need roll over. I used to be on AT&T as well and always felt more like I was the one doing the rolling over.
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I dont need more than EDGE. (gmail, gvoice, IM, occassional web lookup. thats all I use the web on my phone for)

original iphone (2g) users when they acquire a 3g or 3gs iphone receive emails and texts from att letting them know they have a 3g capable device (even if they have 3g disabled on the phone) and need to upgrade their plan to reflect this.
My girlfriend broke her 2g and adopted my iphone 3g when I moved to the n1. About a week after the migration, texts and emails started rolling in from ATT telling her to upgrade to a 3g data plan. I called ATT and they were less than friendly about the entire thing. I explained why she was on a 3g device and that if they checked their records, she was not using it. After a manager began to talk down to me I let them know she was in contract for the services offered for the iphone 2g and if they were adamant about the forced upgrade, they were free to let her out of her contract at not additional cost...so far the emails and texts have stopped. Keep in mind that she has 3g turned off on her phone so it's not like she is attempting to use a service that was not in her original plan.
It seems to me that they do actually offer an edge/2g only data plan if they are this persnickety regarding edge vs. 3g data usage.
...seriously lame if you ask me.

If the rumors about an upcoming AT&T N1 are true, then AT&T is probably gearing up to be able to detect the 3G N1's on their system and force them to upgrade. That would at least make some sense, even though I think they should be gearing more off of amount of data rather than type of data.
So, if they are gearing up for that - perhaps the current N1's are coming up in their system as "rogue 3G smartphones" even though these particular N1's are not accessing their 3G? They probably use IMEI numbers so it would boil down to whether HTC uses separate ranges for the different forms of the N1 or not - or whether they report the ranges with such fine granularity to the carriers.
My take on the "smartphone data" plan distinctions is that they really want to charge more for higher volumes of data, but any plan that includes a limit has such a bad public reaction these days that instead they make all of the plans "unlimited" and bank on how easy it is for the device to use the data to throttle the customers rather than a hard limit. In the end, the result is that they classify your device instead of your usage to appease the other customers and then you may pay in circumstances which seem unfair - all to save the "we don't like limits" crowd from rebelling...

Avoiding an AT&T Data Plan

I was happily using my Nexus One on AT&T without a data plan (and with data blocked) since it was released, but I made the mistake of giving AT&T the IMEI number of my Nexus today. Now they tell me that I am required to get a $30 data plan because it is a "PDA", despite the fact that it cannot use 3G on AT&T's network.
Does anyone know of a way to ditch the data plan? Is it possible that I could give AT&T the IMEI of an old phone, then switch my SIM to the Nexus?

as a user who uses the nexus one on att, heating something like this is
infuriating.how is it their business to make you buy a data plan? I can understand if they subsidized the phone but obviously in this case it was not. thanks for the heads up. i would never disclose this kind of information to att unless I absolutely had to do so.

use this as a way to break your contract and come to tmobile and enjoy the way a real provider is sposed to treat you... pretty much if you have ATT and dont have an iphone, they dont care about you

Postal76 said:
I was happily using my Nexus One on AT&T without a data plan (and with data blocked) since it was released, but I made the mistake of giving AT&T the IMEI number of my Nexus today. Now they tell me that I am required to get a $30 data plan because it is a "PDA", despite the fact that it cannot use 3G on AT&T's network.
Does anyone know of a way to ditch the data plan? Is it possible that I could give AT&T the IMEI of an old phone, then switch my SIM to the Nexus?
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I am kinda surprised they are doing this... Then again, times are "tough"...
I would ask them where in the contract you signed it says you have to have a data plan? Let them know that if they start charging you for a service you didn't sign up for or agree to, they will be hearing from an attorney.

When AT&T began mandating the smartphone dataplans (September?) people that already had a smartphone on their account without a smartphone data plan were given a feature called "smartphone exclusion". If you had this and they took it off when you gave them the nexus one imei, you may be able to call customer service and get them to put it back on. That's the only way I can think of. They're implementing a system which automatically adds a smartphone data plan onto your account when you put your sim card into a smartphone and it reports a recognized smartphone imei to AT&T unless you have the smartphone exclusion feature.
http://howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1618214

maxh said:
When AT&T began mandating the smartphone dataplans (September?) people that already had a smartphone on their account without a smartphone data plan were given a feature called "smartphone exclusion". If you had this and they took it off when you gave them the nexus one imei, you may be able to call customer service and get them to put it back on. That's the only way I can think of. They're implementing a system which automatically adds a smartphone data plan onto your account when you put your sim card into a smartphone and it reports a recognized smartphone imei to AT&T unless you have the smartphone exclusion feature.
http://howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1618214
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Very interesting. This make sense, since AT&T should be able to find out what kind of phone you're using even if you don't give them your IMEI. I suppose I might have had a "smartphone exclusion" put on my account back when I was using a myTouch 3G on AT&T without a data plan.
However, I doubt AT&T is going to work with me on this, given the extremely unsatisfactory customer service I received today after speaking to 3 representatives.

What happens when your using just a normal phone with att, and your buddy has a nexus one. and so you go over to his house and put your sim on it just to see how it works, cause your interested in it and all. so you borrow it for a day to test it out. and att starts charging you for data? Sounds bull**** to me that they can do that if your not using 3g data service... period

I've had these issues with ATT as well. In September they "discovered" my Touch HD on their network and zapped it from working. I was on the "pay as you go" plan. I switched the SIM to my old HTC Trinity and my service was useable again. Since the Trinity was one of the first full featured phones, they must not have had it in their "kill" database.
I dumped ATT like a hot rock, then went to T-mobile and I've never looked back. ATT has nothing over T-mobile.

Matterhorn said:
I've had these issues with ATT as well. In September they "discovered" my Touch HD on their network and zapped it from working. I was on the "pay as you go" plan. I switched the SIM to my old HTC Trinity and my service was useable again. Since the Trinity was one of the first full featured phones, they must not have had it in their "kill" database.
I dumped ATT like a hot rock, then went to T-mobile and I've never looked back. ATT has nothing over T-mobile.
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Trust me, I'd love to do the same. But A&T is much cheaper for me (it would be $120 for a 2 line family plan with data vs. $155 on T-Mobile) even when I don't include my AT&T premier discount. I was pretty sad to learn that T-Mobile's pricing isn't very competitive, at least when it comes to Nexus One plans.

i've had the N1 on ATT for about a month now and i don't have data plan and never signed up for one; i am near wifi 80-90% of the time and don't need the data plan; never got any texts from them forcing me to get data;
btw, i am on a family plan

jblazea50 said:
i've had the N1 on ATT for about a month now and i don't have data plan and never signed up for one; i am near wifi 80-90% of the time and don't need the data plan; never got any texts from them forcing me to get data;
btw, i am on a family plan
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Supposedly they are turning on their new system for automatically adding data plans market by market. Some people's areas don't have it yet, but I know for a fact they're doing it in Austin, TX because I got hit by it. I had 2 lines with smartphones and put my SIM card into a dumbphone for a few minutes then back into my smartphone. That triggered it, but I have the "smartphone exclusion" on my main line (which happens to be the phone I did the SIM switch in) so only the other line got a $30 data plan added. I ported that line out within a couple of days.

maxh said:
Supposedly they are turning on their new system for automatically adding data plans market by market. Some people's areas don't have it yet, but I know for a fact they're doing it in Austin, TX because I got hit by it. I had 2 lines with smartphones and put my SIM card into a dumbphone for a few minutes then back into my smartphone. That triggered it, but I have the "smartphone exclusion" on my main line (which happens to be the phone I did the SIM switch in) so only the other line got a $30 data plan added. I ported that line out within a couple of days.
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how do you add smartphone exclusion to your phone

It's really simple to ditch the data plans on ATT...
I have a total of 6 phones with ATT. 4 ATT PDAs, 1 ATT non-PDA and mine - which is usually UNLOCKED/UNBRANDED WinMo phone.
I wait a few months after buying any ATT branded phone and call them to let them know I've switched phones. They ask for the IMEI. I run my trusted IMEI Generator (Google it) and start spewing phoney IMEIs to them. When they don't show in their systems as an ATT phone, I can then change all their $30 unlim PDA unlim data plans to the $10 unlim data plan version.
Of course, every rep I every spoke to swears there's a difference between the $30 vs the $10 plan...but WE know better. They work exactly the same!
Come on ATT!!!
My way of stickin it to the MAN!!!

technillion said:
They ask for the IMEI. I run my trusted IMEI Generator (Google it) and start spewing phoney IMEIs to them. When they don't show in their systems as an ATT phone, I can then change all their $30 unlim PDA unlim data plans to the $10 unlim data plan version.
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But won't AT&T recognize your phone as a PDA if you ever actually use it? For instance, you couldn't do the same thing with an iPhone -- if you give them a bogus IMEI then put your SIM in an iPhone, AT&T will find out and they will force you into a data plan.

In some areas of the country they've implemented the system for automatically detecting when you're using a smartphone and adding the data plan. It seems that not all areas are doing it yet, but I have no doubt they eventually will. My area already does it.
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how do you add smartphone exclusion to your phone
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It was added automatically to people's accounts back when they first started requiring data plans. If you had a smartphone but no smartphone data they simply put that exclusion feature on your account. I've heard of people that had it removed from their account calling in and arguing until they put it back on, but if you never had it on your account, you're probably out of luck. It's worth a try, though. Maybe if you get a nice rep and use the term "smartphone exclusion feature" they'll give it to you.

maxh said:
In some areas of the country they've implemented the system for automatically detecting when you're using a smartphone and adding the data plan. It seems that not all areas are doing it yet, but I have no doubt they eventually will. My area already does it.
It was added automatically to people's accounts back when they first started requiring data plans. If you had a smartphone but no smartphone data they simply put that exclusion feature on your account. I've heard of people that had it removed from their account calling in and arguing until they put it back on, but if you never had it on your account, you're probably out of luck. It's worth a try, though. Maybe if you get a nice rep and use the term "smartphone exclusion feature" they'll give it to you.
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i had the blackberry curve 8310 with ATT without data plan as i paid the 2 year upgrade price (no rebates, that required the $30 data plan) so would that mean that i have the exclusion feature?

How come you have to *tell* them your IMEI for them to figure this out? Surely they can see exactly what the IMEI of your phone is the minute it connects to their network?
In other news, I hear that Comcast are going to charge more for your internet connection if you have an XBOX connected to it. Their rationale is that with Netflix support and XBOX Live capability, you're capable of using more of their bandwidth.
OK, I'm (obviously) kidding on that last point. But that's effectively what AT&T are doing here.

Postal76 said:
Trust me, I'd love to do the same. But A&T is much cheaper for me (it would be $120 for a 2 line family plan with data vs. $155 on T-Mobile) even when I don't include my AT&T premier discount. I was pretty sad to learn that T-Mobile's pricing isn't very competitive, at least when it comes to Nexus One plans.
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How is that possible? I'm on Even More Plus with my N1, my Dad's G1, and my Bro's G1 and we're paying $145 a month for 1500 mins + unlimited web (no need for text plan since we all use Google Voice), and we aren't bound to 2-year terms. @[email protected]

jblazea50 said:
i had the blackberry curve 8310 with ATT without data plan as i paid the 2 year upgrade price (no rebates, that required the $30 data plan) so would that mean that i have the exclusion feature?
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There's probably a good chance you do have it. Supposedly you can find it listed somewhere on OLAM, but I don't know where people are looking.

Postal76 said:
Trust me, I'd love to do the same. But A&T is much cheaper for me (it would be $120 for a 2 line family plan with data vs. $155 on T-Mobile) even when I don't include my AT&T premier discount. I was pretty sad to learn that T-Mobile's pricing isn't very competitive, at least when it comes to Nexus One plans.
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You can get a discount easily with T-Mobile there are tons of discounts. My 20% discount with T-Mobile right now is because I'm in college. My previous one was for working at Wal-Mart 5 years ago [lol they never took it off].
I work for AT&T and I have T-Mobile and I don't plan on switching. Even though AT&T would give me my 20% discount it would still cost more. You can get on T-Mobile without a contract. T-Mobile is the cheapest cell company and they're advertising that a lot right now. The prices for non contract services are great. I can't wait till mine expires because I'll be saving even more money. The Non-contract services aren't "pay as you go" either, they're just monthly usage plans as normal but you're not under contract. The only reason why prices are so high is because you're paying for the phone in your monthly bill.
I love working for AT&T [best company I've ever worked for] but I don't agree with a lot of our ways of doing things. Like how we're the only ones raising prices right now in this economy. There are multiple things I disagree with but it's all business
Oh and the "if you don't have an iPhone they don't care" statement is kind of ridiculous. Sounds a little biased and senseless.

[Q] Best MNVO for use with AT&T's network?

I have seen an handful of users mention they are using SIM cards from Simple Mobile, who is a TMobile MNVO per Wikipedia ... but seeing that our (US-based users) only certain way to both make standard phone calls and access 3G data is via AT&T's network... as such, can we get some suggestions as to who is a good MNVO to use to access AT&T?
EDIT: i.e., looking for a carrier/reseller of AT&T who would serve a role similar to that of Simple Mobile, who is a reseller of T-Mobile's network, but who does so with a better pricing structure and month-to-month plans.

Perhaps I should adjust the initial question a bit...
Are there *any* AT&T resellers that include 3G data access with their plans?

Alrighty, I might be the only one looking for this info, but thought someone else might as well...
Per this list of US-based resellers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_US_MVNO
Here are the resellers who look to be offering 3G internet via AT&T's network:
AirVoice Wireless: unlimited talk/text/100MMS/30MB internet -- http://www.airvoicewireless.com/PlanA.aspx
H2O Wirless: unlimited talk/text/MMS/50MB internet -- https://www.h2owirelessnow.com/pageControl.php?page=plans

Unfortunately, it's fairly clear that AT&T has the monopoly on 3G data in US...
- GadgetGuy

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Unfortunately, it's fairly clear that AT&T has the monopoly on 3G data in US...
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The point of listing/finding these MNVO companies is that they are resellers of AT&T services, but under their name, not under AT&T's name ... so like many who use a Simple Mobile sim card to access T-Mobile's network, the same can be done here (i.e., using an H2O sim card to access AT&T's network).
And unlike AT&T's pricing structure, you typically can find a better deal going through one of these resellers (although note that I can only find 2 offering data services as it looks like AT&T is keeping the data to themselves ... probably due to their iPhone/data issues, but I could be wrong).
So take H2O's plan: unlimited talk & text + 50MB of data for $49.95/month. That isn't all that bad and it is month-to-month, so you aren't locked in to a 2 year deal
Comparing that to AT&T's..
Nation Unlimited plan: unlimited talk for $69.99/month
Dataplus for smartphone: 200MB of data for $15.00/month

TurckBoatTruck said:
The point of listing/finding these MNVO companies is that they are resellers of AT&T services, but under their name, not under AT&T's name ... so like many who use a Simple Mobile sim card to access T-Mobile's network, the same can be done here (i.e., using an H2O sim card to access AT&T's network).
And unlike AT&T's pricing structure, you typically can find a better deal going through one of these resellers (although note that I can only find 2 offering data services as it looks like AT&T is keeping the data to themselves ... probably due to their iPhone/data issues, but I could be wrong).
So take H2O's plan: unlimited talk & text + 50MB of data for $49.95/month. That isn't all that bad and it is month-to-month, so you aren't locked in to a 2 year deal
Comparing that to AT&T's..
Nation Unlimited plan: unlimited talk for $69.99/month
Dataplus for smartphone: 200MB of data for $15.00/month
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I think we are saying the same thing. Unless your point of shifting to an MNVO from AT&T is to make phone calls, then you can get the best value from AT&T itself, since you have the option of 2GB of data for $25/mo. But even this price sucks compared to the $30 "unlimited" iPhone and iPad data plans I have for my other devices.
I am a heavy user of data and travel internationally for work, so I have limited options.
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Gadgetguy said:
I think we are saying the same thing. Unless your point of shifting to an MNVO from AT&T is to make phone calls, then you can get the best value from AT&T itself,
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Yes, voice calling is my priority... and being able to access 3G data when needed (rarely) is a bonus.
BTW, looks like Jolt Mobile will be offering data access soon:
http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...ted-talk-text-50-plan?p=14139937#post14139937

I can help you get your Tab onto H2O if you want.

qipengart said:
I can help you get your Tab onto H2O if you want.
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Sure thing! Although I was under the assumption that simply doing the Euro-firmware upgrade to the AT&T Tab (and using an H2O sim) would allow me on... no?

Awesome... I would have to provision your Tab for use on H2O. I work for a wireless company.
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qipengart said:
Awesome... I would have to provision your Tab for use on H2O. I work for a wireless company.
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Very cool. What needs to be done on my end?
And I certainly appreciate the help.

Att shut off my data; argh.

Yep, I everything right and they got me anyway.
-- on a go phone pre pay plan, unlimited talk, text, data...50/month
-- registered the Sim in my Nokia e72, then transferred to my sgn.
-- worked fine for a couple weeks now and then bam, shut down. I called to complain and the rep said they detected a smartphone imei. I swapped backto the Nokia and he said he reset the tower but still no data on my sgn.
Anyone know how to spoof an imei?
Argh,
Jason
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Anyone know how to spoof an imei?
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I assume you are keeping up on the big Q&A thread, but to summarize since you've opened up a new thread:
AT&T appears to be cracking down on the unlimited data plans.
People from the medianet, gophone, and even some people on unlimited iphone plans are getting ther data shut off. The reason for the data shut off is that for some stupid reason AT&T lists the GNote as a Tablet, not a phone. That disqualifies it for any voice+data plans since AT&T sucks.
It does not appear, however, that AT&T is cracking down on anyone with a capped (200MB/2G/4G) plan. So one option is to get a 2g/4g smartphone plan with a different smartphone, then use that sim in the note.
No, you don't get cheap unlimited data (or unlimited data period), but at least you get data. Once you get the SMS there aren't that many options. (Well, I don't consider IMEI hacking a valid option).
Some people are nuking their /efs folders to return a generic IMEI number. It's not confirmed how long that trick works.
- Frank

ChodTheWacko said:
AT&T appears to be cracking down on the unlimited data plans. ... It does not appear, however, that AT&T is cracking down on anyone with a capped (200MB/2G/4G) plan
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Although I hate to say it, I can see AT&T's logic here. Everyone always got upset over the fact that they would charge more for (unlimited) data on a smartphone vs. a dumbphone. The only argument for that was that a typical smartphone user will likely use more data than a typical dumbphone user. You could carry the same logic to tablets. But if the data is metered, the device becomes moot. 2GB is 2GB, regardless of what is using it.

As ChodTheWocko says, there's a big thread on this over in the Q&A forum, and another thread in this forum. Check them out. Basically, they've been focusing on people on unlimited plans so far, and it appears switching to a tiered plan will get you out of trouble for now.
The other option is changing your IMEI. Galaxy Tab users have been doing this most of this year by deleting their /efs folder, which contains the IMEI, and the device reports a generic GSM phone IMEI after that. Somehow, despite many people using the same generic IMEI, everything seems to still be working since a few months ago. Replacing your /efs folder with that from another samsung device seems to give you the unique IMEI of the device the /efs folder came from.
So once again it seems like the best routes are:
Legit: Switch to a non-unlimited plan. This seems to make you OK (for now, at least)
Not as legit: Delete your /efs folder so your device returns a generic IMEI number. This has been working , but for how long?
Even less legit: replace your /efs folder with that from a different Samsung device. This should give you the unique IMEI of the donor device, and afford you the corresponding plan options.
Disclaimer, I haven't tried any /efs modifications, myself, as I haven't received the dreaded text yet. I'm only regurgitating what I've read. I won't be responsible for any issues you may encounter with /efs modifications.

Everything would be just fine if you all simply had 4g sim cards on a legit data plan. I was issued a 4g sim card when I got my infuse way back when that was released and did almost 5gb of data last month and half way thru this month and already over 2gigs, and not one word text or email. The last post I just read in that other mention having to swap to a 4g sim card and problem solved..... shesh
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The (European) Note is not a 4g device - why does having a 4g sim card make any difference?

RashaMatt said:
The (European) Note is not a 4g device - why does having a 4g sim card make any difference?
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Simple it doesn't.
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Just get a 4G plan....I finally did...pay month to month....totally worth it. Full H+ vs speeds.

RashaMatt said:
The (European) Note is not a 4g device - why does having a 4g sim card make any difference?
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The AT&T HSPA+ network isn't a 4G network either!
Let's not confuse marketing with technology.
Regards,
Dave

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19977361

foxmeister said:
The AT&T HSPA+ network isn't a 4G network either!
Let's not confuse marketing with technology.
Regards,
Dave
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Don't confuse false advertising with marketing ...lol....

Apparently the IMEI range used by the Note is similar enough to that used by the Galaxy Tab that AT&T's systems are erroneously assuming our Notes at actually Galaxy Tabs. At least, that's their story.
And because they are a$$holes and require more expensive data packages if you are using a "tablet", they shut off our data thinking that we will call them up and meekly pay them more money to get it turned back on.
It took me a full hour on the phone with an idiot this morning to clear this up - jezus, the Note has been out for over a month, you'd think they would have this figured out by now??
The first clueless CSR actually told me flat out (eventually, after 45 minutes of "research") that there was nothing I could do, and "nobody there who could help me." So I told her she had better find someone who COULD help me Pronto, or I would take my four lines and $230/month of business straight over to StraightTalk or Verizon. She got her floor manager on the line fast. And it turns out HE could help me after all So the moral of that story is, demand to talk to the floor manager, and threaten to take your account elsewhere if you have to.
Any more bullsh!t like this from them and I will gladly pay the ETFs and take my lucrative business elsewhere. They have crappy 3g service around here anyway (max 300kbps) - I'd be happy to switch to Verizon 4g, where I'm getting 3-8Mbps down on my new LTE MiFi.

RashaMatt said:
Apparently the IMEI range used by the Note is similar enough to that used by the Galaxy Tab that AT&T's systems are erroneously assuming our Notes at actually Galaxy Tabs. At least, that's their story.
And because they are a$$holes and require more expensive data packages if you are using a "tablet", they shut off our data thinking that we will call them up and meekly pay them more money to get it turned back on.
It took me a full hour on the phone with an idiot this morning to clear this up - jezus, the Note has been out for over a month, you'd think they would have this figured out by now??
The first clueless CSR actually told me flat out (eventually, after 45 minutes of "research") that there was nothing I could do, and "nobody there who could help me." So I told her she had better find someone who COULD help me Pronto, or I would take my four lines and $230/month of business straight over to StraightTalk or Verizon. She got her floor manager on the line fast. And it turns out HE could help me after all So the moral of that story is, demand to talk to the floor manager, and threaten to take your account elsewhere if you have to.
Any more bullsh!t like this from them and I will gladly pay the ETFs and take my lucrative business elsewhere. They have crappy 3g service around here anyway (max 300kbps) - I'd be happy to switch to Verizon 4g, where I'm getting 3-8Mbps down on my new LTE MiFi.
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How do you plan on using your gsm galaxy note going to work on the cdma network ?
Tmobile probably practices the same bull**** policies...
Weak argument

RashaMatt said:
She got her floor manager on the line fast. And it turns out HE could help me after all So the moral of that story is, demand to talk to the floor manager, and threaten to take your account elsewhere if you have to.
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What did the floor manager do exactly, and will it keep working?
- Frank

So far, here is what is working for me with the same issue:
Make sure you are actually on a 4g plan, even if they say you are, keep asking to double check. I had 3 people tell me I was on the appropriate 4g plan and the 4th person said I was still on 3g unlimited.
Make sure you have a 4g sim card.
Go to an AT&T store and have them call and verify that it is indeed a phone, not a tablet.
Those were the three changes that had to take place before they stopped giving me a hard time with repeated txts and emails.
I have another thread in the general section of the Note forum outlining all my issues as they progressed.
Bryce

brycestejskal said:
So far, here is what is working for me with the same issue:
Make sure you are actually on a 4g plan, even if they say you are, keep asking to double check. I had 3 people tell me I was on the appropriate 4g plan and the 4th person said I was still on 3g unlimited.
Make sure you have a 4g sim card.
Go to an AT&T store and have them call and verify that it is indeed a phone, not a tablet.
Those were the three changes that had to take place before they stopped giving me a hard time with repeated txts and emails.
I have another thread in the general section of the Note forum outlining all my issues as they progressed.
Bryce
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Thanks for the info. I will try this out today.
I spent over an hour on the phone this morning because my data was shut off. After they told me all they could give me was the $39.99 data connect plan for my "dell latitude" or "galaxy tablet," I rebooted my phone and the data came back.
I currently have $30 unlimited smartphone plan grandfathered in. I've also been seeing very mediocre speeds on my SGN (3.5Mbps/1Mbps).
UPDATE: Called at&t once again and was told that I couldn't get the 4G unlimited plan unless I use a different device. It seems like every rep I talk to is giving me a different story. Thanks at&t!
For reference (check your online bill):
3G unlimited: GPRS WAP UNLTD DOM - DPPB
4G unlimited: GPRS WAP UNLTD DOM - HSDPPB

Jmlee915 said:
Thanks for the info. I will try this out today.
I spent over an hour on the phone this morning because my data was shut off. After they told me all they could give me was the $39.99 data connect plan for my "dell latitude" or "galaxy tablet," I rebooted my phone and the data came back.
I currently have $30 unlimited smartphone plan grandfathered in. I've also been seeing very mediocre speeds on my SGN (3.5Mbps/1Mbps).
UPDATE: Called at&t once again and was told that I couldn't get the 4G unlimited plan unless I use a different device. It seems like every rep I talk to is giving me a different story. Thanks at&t!
For reference (check your online bill):
3G unlimited: GPRS WAP UNLTD DOM - DPPB
4G unlimited: GPRS WAP UNLTD DOM - HSDPPB
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Mine is on the iPhone 3G unlimited plan: GPRS WAP UNLTD DOM - CMB1
No disconnect issues here and I get H+ speeds (sometimes 6 MB/s download when its not bogged down). Typically 3 MB/s down and 1 MB/s up.

[SOLVED] (XT1053) AIO wireless not worth it

Greetings fellow XDA'ers
I'll be writing breifly about my exprience with AIO using the XT1053. So first off, it's completely compatible and you probably knew that already if you're on XDA. All speeds work as advertised. then the prices you pay for AT&T service are amazing! but here's the thing.
I've been with them for 3-4 months. and the issues are constant and as follows:
MMS messaging constantly fails to send with correct APN settings input
several occassions of no service! (Emergency call only) while in places that I know have great coverage because I 've used my phone there before. like my college campus
Like most MNVO's they have bad customer service, didn't matter if I chatted or called in.
The ZTE prelude they advertised has Major MMS issues & runs super slow!
They also had an outage once for a whole night even though AT&T network was fine I have suspicions that they are having constant outages and not reporting this to users, which explains me having dropouts and no service!
Lastly I have had the issues, not using customs ROMS, across 3 phones, ZTE Prelude, Moto X XT1053, and the Samsung Skyrocket I727 which gives me very good credibility!
As a member of XDA, a believer in saving money and great quality service! I felt the need to report my issues to my friends and the great community that is XDA and the internet. AIO is not the way to go.
UPDATE!!!
:::Follow up report:::
1. The issue's I had existed for me with T-mobile as well. Therefore it certainly is a phone issue (I had 3 replacement phones is how I know it's a phone issue)
2. I have confirmed with Motorola Level 2 the stock messaging app has bugs in it [no ETA on a fix]. and I have confirmed thru reading a google plus thread that AIO APN settings were unsupported until recently, I think 4.4.2 supported it. idk and I can't find the post again lol.
consider yourself updated!
ANOTHER UPDATE!!! The signal loss was also a Moto X issue. There is a thread somewhere around here about it. I got a refund being that Motorola couldn't fix any of the above problems. They were fine to give it to me, you just have to push them a bit.

i live kinda remote. inside my house i get 1 bar from tmo at best. was with att but couldnt afford any more. my only question is does aio have the complete signal coverage as att does?
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Greetings fellow XDA'ers
I'll be writing breifly about my exprience with AIO using the XT1053. So first off, it's completely compatible and you probably knew that already if you're on XDA. All speeds work as advertised. then the prices you pay for AT&T service are amazing! but here's the thing.
I've been with them for 3-4 months. and the issues are constant and as follows:
MMS messaging constantly fails to send with correct APN settings input
several occassions of no service! (Emergency call only) while in places that I know have great coverage because I 've used my phone there before. like my college campus
Like most MNVO's they have bad customer service, didn't matter if I chatted or called in.
The ZTE prelude they advertised has Major MMS issues & runs super slow!
They also had an outage once for a whole night even though AT&T network was fine I have suspicions that they are having constant outages and not reporting this to users, which explains me having dropouts and no service!
Lastly I have had the issues, not using customs ROMS, across 3 phones, ZTE Prelude, Moto X XT1053, and the Samsung Skyrocket I727 which gives me very good credibility!
As a member of XDA, a believer in saving money and great quality service! I felt the need to report my issues to my friends and the great community that is XDA and the internet. AIO is not the way to go.
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I have none of those issue. Motox works as expected
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DrDecoy said:
i live kinda remote. inside my house i get 1 bar from tmo at best. was with att but couldnt afford any more. my only question is does aio have the complete signal coverage as att does?
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Yes, they use AT&T's network and the company is actually owned by AT&T. You could join straight talk, AIO, H20, net10, and there are more just google "AT&T mvno". Hope that helps.

krsmit0 said:
I have none of those issue. Motox works as expected
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maybe the issue is regional or sporatic, but still something I expreienced and being that thgey're are owned directly by AT&T I would'nt expect those kinds of issues. I'm in New York City.

krsmit0 said:
I have none of those issue. Motox works as expected
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Agreed. I have experienced none of those issues either, the phone works great on (AIO) At&t. Consistent LTE connection, even 20 miles out of town.

Save yourself the hassle and just grab the $60 AT&T GoPhone plan, yea you get less data but you make up for it with being on pre-paid AT&T, as you get better support than an MVNO, plus the ability to go to any AT&T corporate store to get help.
Oh and you can get refills on callingmart for like $54ish.

I've had AIO for 4 months with NONE of the issues you mentioned. My MMS send fine every time and I get no dropped service unless there actually is no service.
Also, AIO is not an MVNO and is owned by AT&T and I have gotten great customer support. I'm paying $45/month for 2.5gigs of data which is less than half of what I was paying with Verizon. I save ~$650 a year now and the service is as good as Verizon's if not better.
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Save yourself the hassle and just grab the $60 AT&T GoPhone plan, yea you get less data but you make up for it with being on pre-paid AT&T, as you get better support than an MVNO, plus the ability to go to any AT&T corporate store to get help.
Oh and you can get refills on callingmart for like $54ish.
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AIO is owned by AT&T and is not an MVNO.

I'm not using a Moto X, but wanted to mention my AIO experience. I moved from a $30/mo T-Mobile plan to AIO and found the signal and LTE amazingly better in the sense that I always maintain LTE (~5Mbps) vs going from LTE (>20Mpbs) to Edge as soon as I hit the highway/leave the city. Almost 0% without signal since moving to AIO.
AIO has been great for me so far. I don't use MMS as I rely on my Google Voice number, which doesn't support MMS, so I can't comment there.

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I've had AIO for 4 months with NONE of the issues you mentioned. My MMS send fine every time and I get no dropped service unless there actually is no service.
Also, AIO is not an MVNO and is owned by AT&T and I have gotten great customer support. I'm paying $45/month for 2.5gigs of data which is less than half of what I was paying with Verizon. I save ~$650 a year now and the service is as good as Verizon's if not better.
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AIO is owned by AT&T and is not an MVNO.
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Both AIO and GoPhone are subsidiaries of AT&T correct, but AIO is not considered a pre-paid plan of AT&T, thus it is an MVNO.
However we are just bickering about semantics at this point anyways, I didn't realize that they dropped their prices recently (like literally within the past few weeks). Also, since they don't use a proxy to filter all the data (like StraightTalk), I may have to actually give them a shot; as it seems like it would save me ~$10-15 a month. I would really like to perform a speed test though to see if there are ping related issues before switching though.

mastarifla said:
Both AIO and GoPhone are subsidiaries of AT&T correct, but AIO is not considered a pre-paid plan of AT&T, thus it is an MVNO.
However we are just bickering about semantics at this point anyways, I didn't realize that they dropped their prices recently (like literally within the past few weeks). Also, since they don't use a proxy to filter all the data (like StraightTalk), I may have to actually give them a shot; as it seems like it would save me ~$10-15 a month. I would really like to perform a speed test though to see if there are ping related issues before switching though.
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They do use a Proxy for all data. Ping times are ~100-150 due to it. Never noticed an issue though. It's still about half of Straight Talk from what I have seen.

whitedragonz83 said:
They do use a Proxy for all data. Ping times are ~100-150 due to it. Never noticed an issue though. It's still about half of Straight Talk from what I have seen.
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The APN on the AIO website doesn't have any proxy information, well besides for the MMS. Kinda strange how they would leave that out, mainly since the GoPhone doesn't have such a proxy either, I tried my phone next to a carrier sim based phone and we were getting roughly the same ping times (~100ish).
Straight talk is really bad about it, but I also think it has to do with the number of customers going through the proxy itself. So if/when AIO gets more congested then it will be just as bad :/
If this is the case then maybe I'll just stick with GoPhone, I haven't really had any speed complaints and I seem to be getting really good LTE speeds. The reason the ping is so significant of an issue is because it effectively reduces your data throughput when loading videos/websites. So you may be registering ~8 Mbps on speedtest, but the effective speed is much much slower due to higher ping/latency.
I've been using the GoPhone sim in my Nexus and the T-Mobile sim in the Moto, the reception has been amazing in the Moto, I'm actually scared of how good the AT&T signal would be. However, the Nexus uses a micro and the Moto uses a nano. I don't want to jeopardize my phone with a sim adaptor, so I think I'll just keep using T-mobile for the time being

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The APN on the AIO website doesn't have any proxy information, well besides for the MMS. Kinda strange how they would leave that out, mainly since the GoPhone doesn't have such a proxy either, I tried my phone next to a carrier sim based phone and we were getting roughly the same ping times (~100ish).
Straight talk is really bad about it, but I also think it has to do with the number of customers going through the proxy itself. So if/when AIO gets more congested then it will be just as bad :/
If this is the case then maybe I'll just stick with GoPhone, I haven't really had any speed complaints and I seem to be getting really good LTE speeds. The reason the ping is so significant of an issue is because it effectively reduces your data throughput when loading videos/websites. So you may be registering ~8 Mbps on speedtest, but the effective speed is much much slower due to higher ping/latency.
I don't know why, but everywhere I search, the APN has a Proxy address for AIO. It's what I use too.
http://forums.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-4/289568-nexus-4-aio-wireless-apn-settings.html
I've been using the GoPhone sim in my Nexus and the T-Mobile sim in the Moto, the reception has been amazing in the Moto, I'm actually scared of how good the AT&T signal would be. However, the Nexus uses a micro and the Moto uses a nano. I don't want to jeopardize my phone with a sim adaptor, so I think I'll just keep using T-mobile for the time being
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Regardless of the effective speed, it is not noticeable in real-life usage. I'll keep an eye out if it gets a lot worse, like Straight Talk sounds.
GoPhone should be outstanding, as it is nearly the equivalent to post-paid AT&T.
Are you sure you are using "GoPhone" on T-Mobile networks? GoPhone is AT&T Prepaid.
http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/gophone.html

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Regardless of the effective speed, it is not noticeable in real-life usage. I'll keep an eye out if it gets a lot worse, like Straight Talk sounds.
GoPhone should be outstanding, as it is nearly the equivalent to post-paid AT&T.
Are you sure you are using "GoPhone" on T-Mobile networks? GoPhone is AT&T Prepaid.
http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/gophone.html
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I just hope it doesn't eventually become a factor in real life usage like ST currently is
I am currently using 2 cell phone plans, one for work and one for personal use. Personal is T-Mobile (5GB of data for $30? yes please), while the work is AT&T (mainly because of the unlimited talk time and the coverage). I'm debating on just going down to one since I have Google Voice ringing both phones currently and I don't spend 7GB a month (especially since Xposed), but I love the speeds and data connection of T-Mobile here in Dallas.

mastarifla said:
Save yourself the hassle and just grab the $60 AT&T GoPhone plan, yea you get less data but you make up for it with being on pre-paid AT&T, as you get better support than an MVNO, plus the ability to go to any AT&T corporate store to get help.
Oh and you can get refills on callingmart for like $54ish.
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That's what I did when I demoed AT&T for my Nexus 5 vs. Verizon. AT&T vs. Verizon aside, I was very happy with the GoPhone plan. I was hesitant to go with AIO because I had read from multiple sources that AIO is throttled to 8mbps. Yes, it's still AT&T LTE, but your priority on their network is lower than if you were on their network directly through AT&T or their official prepaid. See the following excerpt from this Droid-Life article (http://www.droid-life.com/2013/09/06/atts-aio-wireless-prepaid-service-now-available-nationwide/) "High-speed access with download speeds up to a maximum of 8 Mbps for compatible devices. Maximum data download speeds are reduced when usage exceeds high-speed access allowance."
That is why I chose GoPhone over AIO.

laur3n.newm4n said:
That's what I did when I demoed AT&T for my Nexus 5 vs. Verizon. AT&T vs. Verizon aside, I was very happy with the GoPhone plan. I was hesitant to go with AIO because I had read from multiple sources that AIO is throttled to 8mbps. Yes, it's still AT&T LTE, but your priority on their network is lower than if you were on their network directly through AT&T or their official prepaid. See the following excerpt from this Droid-Life article (http://www.droid-life.com/2013/09/06/atts-aio-wireless-prepaid-service-now-available-nationwide/) "High-speed access with download speeds up to a maximum of 8 Mbps for compatible devices. Maximum data download speeds are reduced when usage exceeds high-speed access allowance."
That is why I chose GoPhone over AIO.
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The benefits are both unique though, as follows:
ATT GOPHONE: You get to surf at that high speed the whole time. when it's done you have to pay up to keep it going.
AIO: You get the reduced speed, 8 mbps which is still fast and after you eat it up, you can still browse and check email, facebook. or any other light internet activities.
I've never had any use for super fast LTE on a mobile phone. Only on gaming consoles and a PC have I benefited from it.

laur3n.newm4n said:
That's what I did when I demoed AT&T for my Nexus 5 vs. Verizon. AT&T vs. Verizon aside, I was very happy with the GoPhone plan. I was hesitant to go with AIO because I had read from multiple sources that AIO is throttled to 8mbps. Yes, it's still AT&T LTE, but your priority on their network is lower than if you were on their network directly through AT&T or their official prepaid. See the following excerpt from this Droid-Life article (http://www.droid-life.com/2013/09/06/atts-aio-wireless-prepaid-service-now-available-nationwide/) "High-speed access with download speeds up to a maximum of 8 Mbps for compatible devices. Maximum data download speeds are reduced when usage exceeds high-speed access allowance."
That is why I chose GoPhone over AIO.
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Price is something you can't ignore though in your comparison.
$45/mo (tax/fees included) for 2.5GB/unlimited text/unlimited minutes on AIO
$60/mo (tax fees extra?) for 2GB/unlimited text/unlimited minutes on GoPhone.
I've had AIO for a month or so now. Maybe occasionally I notice the slow speed. 95% of the time, I probably don't and just enjoy the benefits of AT&T LTE everywhere I go saving $15/mo or $180/yr(maybe more if GoPhone is also taxed). This is though $15/mo more than my previous $30/mo T-Mobile plan. I just needed better coverage for highway driving and AIO was the next best thing imo.

I've been using them since October with an XT1055, and haven't had the SMS issues many others have.
Biggest problem until this past weekend was getting the Auto Pay to stick.
But this weekend I started experiencing 3 days of loosing connection and falling into the Emergency Call Only bin. A reboot would bring me back to "4G LTE/4 Bars", which would gradually settle down to a plain 2 bars. This was similar to what I experienced with my Palm 3, which was apparently related to WiFi/Phone/Bluetooth mutual interference. But I didn't see any software changes this past week that would have kicked something like that off.

whitedragonz83 said:
Price is something you can't ignore though in your comparison.
$45/mo (tax/fees included) for 2.5GB/unlimited text/unlimited minutes on AIO
$60/mo (tax fees extra?) for 2GB/unlimited text/unlimited minutes on GoPhone.
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If you're willing to forego auto-refill on GoPhone (if there is such a thing), $60 GoPgon refills regularly available from Callingmart for $54 - making the difference only $9 per month.
I was on Straight Talk (AT&T) for over 1 year, but eventually moved to GoPhone due to a calling issue I was having, combined with Straight Talk's horrible support. Then when I was evaluating the Moto X and Nexus 5 as replacements for my Galaxy Nexus, I found the added cost of GoPhone to be well worth it, in that it allowed me to walk into a store and switch between mini SIM, micro SIM and nano SIM on the spot, at no charge.

UncleMike said:
If you're willing to forego auto-refill on GoPhone (if there is such a thing), $60 GoPgon refills regularly available from Callingmart for $54 - making the difference only $9 per month.
I was on Straight Talk (AT&T) for over 1 year, but eventually moved to GoPhone due to a calling issue I was having, combined with Straight Talk's horrible support. Then when I was evaluating the Moto X and Nexus 5 as replacements for my Galaxy Nexus, I found the added cost of GoPhone to be well worth it, in that it allowed me to walk into a store and switch between mini SIM, micro SIM and nano SIM on the spot, at no charge.
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Are they always 54 ?I seem to remember seeing it closer to 60.
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