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HTC Desire HD vs Nexus S

Hello, guys, it seems that Nexus S is finally announced but it has almost the same tech specs, that Samsung Galaxy S had and probably completely the same design.
The problem is that my Samsung Captivate is broken and I am coming to UK in 1 week just for 3 days and Nexus S will not be in stores at that moment. I am not sure wheather to buy DHD in England for a lower price than in Moscow or to wait 1 week more and to buy Nexus S.
What would you advise? Is DHD a GOOD phone? Shouldn't I wait for that Samsung' made phone?
BTW my Captivate was broken because of that Super Amoled screen, I even don't know why (and can't replace it).... Just advise me something
And could you please name some retail stores in which I can buy DHD in London? Not using online stores

The DHD has far better specs than the SGS. Until someone tests the new Nexus S against the SGS & DHD no-one is the wiser.
Hopefully Samsung fixed all the issues with the SGS when making the Nexus S, otherwise you've just got baking hot Android on a really poor handset.

Nexus S is only pre order it won't be in stored anytime this year.
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Aamir.Badat said:
Nexus S is only pre order it won't be in stored anytime this year.
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Yes it will, december 16th for UK and 20th for US. Other countries I don't know.

Before the Nexus S was announced I was excited and thought I will be buying it as my next device.
Now that its been announced i am dissapointed to say the least. All it is is a samsung galaxy s with a NFC chip and gyro sensor. I also just found out that it doesn't come with a sd card slot which is unacceptable . The only good thing about the samsung is the S Amoled screen. The build quality on the samsung is poor and cheap.
The desire HD wins hands down for me, with its beautiful design and gorgeous big screen .
Hope this helps .

Aamir.Badat said:
Nexus S is only pre order it won't be in stored anytime this year.
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Nexus S is available on the 16th of December.
however dhd is a spec wise better phone ie more ram 2nd gen snapdragon ect...
however the nexus S is a developer phone you get updates and support from google and its designed to be a reference hence the todays average specs nfc chips front camera ect....
personally id just by the dhd and use a 2.3 stock rom that will no doubt be released soon
as for waiting for dual core android phones ...well if the nexus S is the new reference phone for devs then chances are that our dhd's will be viable till the next dev reference after the nexus S

ethe DHD has higher specs, 720p video recording against 480p, 8MP cam against 5MP, 768RAM against 512, dual flash against one, 4.3 inch screen against 4, metal unibody construction against light plastic, real pixel density against virtual
the nexus S pluses feature better screen coating, much better view angles and deeper blacks but pentile matrix virtual density, frontal cam, NFC & gyro, better battery, less cell radiation and ofcourse enjoyable official OS support
both feature similar processors at 45nm 1GHZ, the DHD processor is optimised can be easily OCed to 1.5, both have great GPUs, the S gpu stronger in theory
the nexus S feels refined and subtle, the DHD is a badass big daddy
looking at the nexus S its clear the DHD is already HTC's answer, I expect them to announce 2.3 soon

hamdir said:
the nexus S feels refined and subtle, the DHD is a badass big daddy
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Sorry couldn't help...Loved this quote. Seems like DHD is answer to all the phones featuring a Single core processor running android.
Just love the phone.

hamdir said:
ethe DHD has higher specs, 720p video recording against 480p, 8MP cam against 5MP, 768RAM against 512, dual flash against one, 4.3 inch screen against 4, metal unibody construction against light plastic, real pixel density against virtual
the nexus S pluses feature better screen coating, much better view angles and deeper blacks but pentile matrix virtual density, frontal cam, NFC & gyro, better battery, less cell radiation and ofcourse enjoyable official OS support
both feature similar processors at 45nm 1GHZ, the DHD processor is optimised can be easily OCed to 1.5, both have great GPUs, the S gpu stronger in theory
the nexus S feels refined and subtle, the DHD is a badass big daddy
looking at the nexus S its clear the DHD is already HTC's answer, I expect them to announce 2.3 soon
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seconded.
Just my 2 cents tho - in theory the SAMOLED and the coating give the Nexus S an advantage ( the blacks, the viewing angles, the power drain ). What they don't tell you is that in practice:
how much "blacker" can it get? trust me u got enough black on DHD to racially abuse it
The viewing angles on DHD are already ~160. I don't know how u hold ur phone but even 130 would be pretty much enough for me
And the less power consumption only counts if "black pixels" prevail in what u got on the display. Read : if u browse/read a book/have a light wallpaper it eats the battery for brunch (consumption is almost twice as high as SLCD)

They're really two completely different phones for different kinds of people. I will have both phones in the house so it's no biggie. But the nexus s gpu is superior and the phone has the benefit of full google support. As an android enthusiast I rate that support highly.

jivemaster said:
They're really two completely different phones for different kinds of people. I will have both phones in the house so it's no biggie. But the nexus s gpu is superior and the phone has the benefit of full google support. As an android enthusiast I rate that support highly.
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Yes but the DHD has Cyanogen !!!!!!!

jivemaster said:
They're really two completely different phones for different kinds of people. I will have both phones in the house so it's no biggie. But the nexus s gpu is superior and the phone has the benefit of full google support. As an android enthusiast I rate that support highly.
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yes me too my wife wanted the desire Z badly but now im convincing her with the Nexus S, the design plus weight is a little female
however i still feel the DHD is better, regarding the GPU we are yet to see a game that performs better on the galaxy S, lots of the sexy stuff in gingerbread we already have in the new sense if not better like copy paste functionality, i also found this interesting the nexus S got rid of the touchpad and has the speaker output at the bottom just like the DHD
as for super amoled, i had a desire amoled and it pissed the hell out of my eyes, i'm a graphics artist and the pentile grid just drove me mad, that was on a smaller 3.7 inch screen, i'm sure at 4.0 the situation is even worse
i wear glasses, sometimes the amoled screen looked so high res and sometimes it looked low, 1 pixels outlines looked doted, its just a silly solution and compared to retina it fails bad in pixel density
if the DHD had the sexy SLCD like the classic desire/Z it would have won hands down in my eyes

bahkata said:
seconded [...]
And one last thing - if the plastic feels as cheap as the galaxy s - f*ck it. People aren't paying 600 euros for the feel of holding their mom's €4.50 dildo.
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This is a hell of a badass statement! I will use it, if you allow me to.
And the point you make about the black/white backgrounds and S AMOLED screen is true. You just forgot to say, to the S Amoled advantage, that it has better contrasts too.
f.

we can't simply fool ourselves and deny the advantages of amoled like the infinite contrast, extreme angles and in case of super amoled the sunlight visibility
however equally reviewers can't just go and shout super amoled wooohoooo, both amoled and super have the active matrix grid, which give it much less pixel accuracy then the stated specs, ie its not 235ppi like they state
just put any amoled device next to slcd device or iphone 4 or even the DHD and you will see what i mean, the definition on amoled is fuzzier
also samoled had extreme colours saturation which isn't accurate but we don't know if this is the case with the nexus S
IPS LCDs or super LCDs are the best solution if you ask me

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true, but to be honest it would be nice to get updates officially without rooting and about a week after release of said updates.
But I do think the desire hd is the better phone more ram comparable cpu/gpu, but nothing comes close to unibody build quality
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Maybe the nexus s will get cyanogenmod too. Cyanogen does not officially support any Samsung at this stage, but that may change since the s is a dev phone.
Personally I don't give a flying **** for the samsung. Spec wise there is not much difference but the chitty plastic shell and lack of an sd slot make the nexus s a fail in my book.
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i'm feeling a little betrayal from google, after all it was the hero and htc's efforts that made android so popular
really interested to know the details of this google nexus deal

i think you will find its not something major for example the dev android tablet is a motrola one which was demoed the other day, i think you will find android is spreading its dev devices over the differnt manufacturers and not favoriting manufacturers.
i guess it kinda highlets their openness ?

yes i agree they can't favor a manufacturer

Samsung is a more widely known manufacturer. Its only recently that HTC started selling devices under the HTC brand name. Most would end up as a carrier branded handset.

[Q] Atrix vs. Infuse

I'm due for an upgrade at the end of July. I cannot decide whether to go for the Atrix or the Infuse. They're just about dead even for me.
Atrix Pros:
-Dual Core CPU
-GeForce GPU
-Fingerprint Scanner
-Motoblur > Touchwiz 3 (IMO) (of course I'd do LauncherPro/ADW, but still)
-qHD Resolution
Infuse Pros:
-GORGEOUS Super AMOLED Plus screen (I am pretty much in love with AMOLED)
-0.5 extra inches of screen real estate
-HSUPA isn't disabled
-Sideloading isn't disabled (but I'd probably root and lagfix anyway)
-I have huge hands
Basically, the Atrix has more horsepower, but the Infuse has more eye candy and network speed. I'm not sure which is the better trade-off. I'm a power user for sure, but I just can't get over AMOLED. Does anyone care to sway me one way or the other?
Of course, if the US gets the Galaxy S II by July then this is irrelevant.
Sorry if this has been posted a bagillion and five times.

US is getting galaxy sII in July so there's no point
Anyway to answer you before this gets locked, I say get the atrix. The resolution upgrade is awesome. Not only that but when we get custom roms, this beast will finally be freed.
But if you love the SAMOLED then just get the infuse. In everyday usage I doubt you'll notice the difference.
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Well.... i went from an iPhone 4 to an Atrix... and i absolutely love it. I keep thinking about swinging by an AT&T store to check out the Infuse.... but i doubt it'd be tempting to me.
Reasons i like the Atrix:
1) the already mentioned dual-core... which i'm pretty sure will be a requirement in some Android versions... and a little bit of future-proofing never hurt anybody
2) 1GB RAM.... which i don't think many other phones have.... if any, really. (other than the SGS2)
3) fingerprint reader. Yes, it can be finicky at times, but at least your phone can't be cracked into by, say, figuring out a pattern that the oils of your skin have nicely smudged across your screen for you.
4) the also mentioned NVidia chipset. I don't do a lot of gaming on my phone... but hey.... just a little more future-proofing i guess.
Things i'm not sure of with the Infuse:
1) Super AMOLED. I know... they're quite nice screens.... but i also hear the colors are extremely vivid... which might not necessarily be the greatest thing.
2) screen size. Yes, it's only another half inch... and yes, we may have large hands... but pocketability is my concern. An extra half inch can do wonders to a pocket.
Two things i'd like to correct in your Pros/Cons... HSUPA has been enabled for the Atrix (and reviews of the Infuse i've seen don't really show much difference from what many still see with the Atrix. Sometimes nice speeds.... sometimes sh*t speeds), and supposedly sideloading could be allowed by AT&T in the near future.
The Galaxy S2 might be worthwhile... but i dunno. Would have been nice had they gone with the NVidia chipset... but maybe they figured it would generate too much heat for an extremely thin phone? Not saying the Atrix is a beast size-wise... but i'm pretty sure it's thicker than the SGS2.

Futureproofing is something I didn't really think of. The Dual-Core, though zippy now, has even more room to grow with Gingerbread updates. And considering Samsung's track record with updates, the Atrix will go a lot farther.
The Atrix probably will be my choice unless the screen difference is just that huge.
And I sure do hope the GS2 comes in July.

yea... a friend of mine has the original Motorola Droid on Verizon. He thought about getting the Thunderbolt, but figured it didn't make sense to upgrade to another single-core phone when dual-core phones on Verizon are just around the bend.
And like i said... not entirely sure about the screen, since i haven't actually taken the time to look at a Super AMOLED screen, let alone both side-by-side.... but i quite like the Atrix's screen, even though it is a pentile matrix screen.... mostly because the downside to pentile matrix is only really that noticable if you frequently use 100% brightness or are constantly an inch or a few from your phone's screen.

Your posting in the atrix forum...what answer do you expect
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elementaldragon said:
mostly because the downside to pentile matrix is only really that noticable if you frequently use 100% brightness or are constantly an inch or a few from your phone's screen.
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Definitely not true...
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I have been using Atrix for a while now, have to say that even with a huge battery the back up is not great. Bootloader is locked which means no custom goodies. Finger print reader is buggy and slow and irritating. You can not turn off 4g, which takes a lot of battery. Can not turn off haptic feedback etc etc etc .
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Wow.... who'd have seen that coming. Another person complaining about the bootloader. Haven't really noticed any issues with the fingerprint reader either, other than when i try to swipe too fast and it doesn't quite get a good read... which is kinda expected. And i may be mistaken.... but can't you turn off 4g/HSPA+ by just choosing a different APN in the mobile network settings? Such as to AT&T US instead of the default AT&T US HSDPA?
eallan: how you figure? I didn't even really know wtf people were complaining about with pentile matrix displays til i actually turned the brightness up to 100% on my Atrix, and even then it's not really a "Hey, that shouldn't be like that" moment.

Extra real estate should be a con lol
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I am also unsure as to which one to go with. I am still using a sammy omnia II and was wondering if the new screen on the infuse is better in the sun than the older omnia II also which is better in the bright sun the atrix or infuse that. Also works betted as a phone, the atrix or infuse??

jimvit1 said:
I am also unsure as to which one to go with. I am still using a sammy omnia II and was wondering if the new screen on the infuse is better in the sun than the older omnia II also which is better in the bright sun the atrix or infuse that. Also works betted as a phone, the atrix or infuse??
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On you tube it is seen the the qhd
Display is much more visible in direct sun light then SAMOLED+ Display atrix has a better loud speaker a much more superior GPS I tried the infuse it has the same gps problem I seen on.my old cappy
Here's the Youtube video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4rDyPaE-QQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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elementaldragon said:
Wow.... who'd have seen that coming. Another person complaining about the bootloader. Haven't really noticed any issues with the fingerprint reader either, other than when i try to swipe too fast and it doesn't quite get a good read... which is kinda expected. And i may be mistaken.... but can't you turn off 4g/HSPA+ by just choosing a different APN in the mobile network settings? Such as to AT&T US instead of the default AT&T US HSDPA?
eallan: how you figure? I didn't even really know wtf people were complaining about with pentile matrix displays til i actually turned the brightness up to 100% on my Atrix, and even then it's not really a "Hey, that shouldn't be like that" moment.
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Yeah another person. Maybe Motorola should take a hint. Its is big fat CON of the device.
All you have to look at to see the pentile is any color straight line. Especially green. The fact that its a rgbw layout instead of a rgbg layout makes text on white look much better though.
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jimvit1 said:
I am also unsure as to which one to go with. I am still using a sammy omnia II and was wondering if the new screen on the infuse is better in the sun than the older omnia II also which is better in the bright sun the atrix or infuse that. Also works betted as a phone, the atrix or infuse??
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I haven't noticed either phone having an advantage in call quality.
The screen is incredible on the infuse. Beats the hell out of the atrix
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I took the time to mess with the Infuse today. Can't really vouch for the whole visibility in direct sunlight bit.... but i will say two things about it. It is nice... but i still don't like the way it looks. Pentile may not be the greatest display.... but neither is a fantastic Super AMOLED+ with extremely vivid colors. I was looking at both the Infuse and Atrix side by side... trying to get a comparison of the color quality.... and to be honest i prefer the Atrix's. Yeah, it may not be quite top-notch... but i'd rather have slightly less fantastic than over-the-top vivid. Tried to compare the icons... but couldn't. For one, Samsung uses their own custom ones.... and two, what you'd expect to be a decent red would be like a fire engine red. What you'd expect to be a nice mellow blue tone looks like cobalt blue. Think they need to stray away from Xbox-ification. Upping the shinyness doesn't always make something better.
Other than that, it actually seemed to be fairly laggy just pacing back and forth through the default home screens that were on the one at my local AT&T. And i don't mean the "laggy" that people say the Atrix is (which i fail to see).... i mean like you'd move your finger, and depending what's on the screen, it could take two seconds or so for it to actually flip screens.

Having used both I'd wait as you're waiting til July. There will be other choices like the Thrill as well as possibly a SGS2.

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I took the time to mess with the Infuse today. Can't really vouch for the whole visibility in direct sunlight bit.... but i will say two things about it. It is nice... but i still don't like the way it looks. Pentile may not be the greatest display.... but neither is a fantastic Super AMOLED+ with extremely vivid colors. I was looking at both the Infuse and Atrix side by side... trying to get a comparison of the color quality.... and to be honest i prefer the Atrix's. Yeah, it may not be quite top-notch... but i'd rather have slightly less fantastic than over-the-top vivid. Tried to compare the icons... but couldn't. For one, Samsung uses their own custom ones.... and two, what you'd expect to be a decent red would be like a fire engine red. What you'd expect to be a nice mellow blue tone looks like cobalt blue. Think they need to stray away from Xbox-ification. Upping the shinyness doesn't always make something better.
Other than that, it actually seemed to be fairly laggy just pacing back and forth through the default home screens that were on the one at my local AT&T. And i don't mean the "laggy" that people say the Atrix is (which i fail to see).... i mean like you'd move your finger, and depending what's on the screen, it could take two seconds or so for it to actually flip screens.
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The icons don't have a background on the homescreen or custom launcher. I also couldn't disagree with your screen assessment any more.
The atrix colors are ok. The viewing angles are terrible however. Blacks are bright!
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someone at work had the infuse today. too big and i seriously dont understand what the fuss is all about with regards to super amoled +. Its nice, but too cartoony. Cant go back to anything less than what the atrix has.

i have had the atrix for a couple of months. Bought SGS2 last week and IT IS GETTING RETURNED!
When compared to Atrix: Battery is awful, GPS is poor, sound is poor and it wont make it for more than 4 hours on a charge. I assume the Infuse is going to be similar.

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i have had the atrix for a couple of months. Bought SGS2 last week and IT IS GETTING RETURNED!
When compared to Atrix: Battery is awful, GPS is poor, sound is poor and it wont make it for more than 4 hours on a charge. I assume the Infuse is going to be similar.
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4 hours on a charge? Come on man... That's ridiculous. No one is only getting 4 hours without doing something massively wrong.

Sony screwed up the Xperia Z

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f31ojOyC7FA
Check out the video.
Lower benchmark score than the Galaxy S3 and battery drops from 97% to 93% in 5 minutes of use.
Not impressed Sony.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f31ojOyC7FA
Check out the video.
Lower benchmark score than the Galaxy S3 and battery drops from 97% to 93% in 5 minutes of use.
Not impressed Sony.
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Isn't that a test unit though? Plus benchmarks don't really mean that much, it's the actual user experience which is important I think

fareeed said:
Isn't that a test unit though?
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What would the difference be?
The phone is coming out next month. Production has started already.
I don't blame the hardware though. The S4 Pro is powerful.
Most likely Sony screwed up the software.....
Also battery needed to be bigger.
Why in the love of god didn't Sony follow Samsung and use a bigger battery like the Note 2? :crying:

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What would the difference be?
The phone is coming out next month. Production has started already.
I don't blame the hardware though. The S4 Pro is powerful.
Most likely Sony screwed up the software.....
Also battery needed to be bigger.
Why in the love of god didn't Sony follow Samsung and use a bigger battery like the Note 2? :crying:
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I see what you mean, the actual production devices could ship with different software I don't know? I agree about the battery though we'll just have to wait for a full review I guess

Engadget got the ZL at 13,589

It's an S4 Pro with quad-core krait. Just like the Droid DNA and Nexus 4. Stop worrying about benchmarks, especially when it hasn't even been released. It will perform like every other S4 Pro phone, give or take a small margin.
The battery complaint is even more ridiculous. So many phones get updates on launch day fixing battery issues and they keep tweaking it with each update for months after release.
The biggest disappointment is the display. It looks exactly like a bigger version of the Xperia S/Ion/T with all the problems. Washed out look with poor viewing angles and contrast. Sony likes to turn up the brightness to mask the poor contrast. It's 2013. HTC doesn't even make displays and their SuperLCD IPS display is far and ahead the best. IPS displays on LG are also good as well as the one on the Lumia 920. Sony displays continue to disappoint.

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It's an S4 Pro with quad-core krait. Just like the Droid DNA and Nexus 4. Stop worrying about benchmarks, especially when it hasn't even been released. It will perform like every other S4 Pro phone, give or take a small margin.
The battery complaint is even more ridiculous. So many phones get updates on launch day fixing battery issues and they keep tweaking it with each update for months after release.
The biggest disappointment is the display. It looks exactly like a bigger version of the Xperia S/Ion/T with all the problems. Washed out look with poor viewing angles and contrast. Sony likes to turn up the brightness to mask the poor contrast. It's 2013. HTC doesn't even make displays and their SuperLCD IPS display is far and ahead the best. IPS displays on LG are also good as well as the one on the Lumia 920. Sony displays continue to disappoint.
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The Ion has a pretty good display, dunno what you're talking about, many people agree with me. Probably one of the best out there.
I got the S which seems to have a pretty nice one as well, maybe almost the same as the Ion. The only washed out display that Sony produced this year on a high-end device is the one on the T. Over-saturated colors don't necessarily mean better displays.

The ION has the best display. Take a look at the thread in the Xperia T forums that compares the ION, T, and S in terms of display.

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The Ion has a pretty good display, dunno what you're talking about, many people agree with me. Probably one of the best out there.
I got the S which seems to have a pretty nice one as well, maybe almost the same as the Ion. The only washed out display that Sony produced this year on a high-end device is the one on the T. Over-saturated colors don't necessarily mean better displays.
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I never said anything about oversaturation being better. You are making assumptions that I prefer the blown out colors of AMOLED or the extra warmth of the SuperLCD. I mentioned the LG display looks better than the Sony one, and it is even LESS saturated than the Sony display. The point is Sony does not have a single IPS display on their phones. It is 100% agreed upon that IPS is the pinnacle of LCD technology and has been for years. Professional monitors from NEC, Dell, and HP use IPS panels. The colors and contrast do not shift when viewing off axis, and that is important for an even image, even when looking dead on. LG and HTC have been putting IPS displays on their phones for years now. Sony has no excuse. If you live in a bubble of Sony phones and never look at any other smartphone, I'm sure the display looks great. But there are plenty of reviews stating the obvious. The poor viewing angles are becoming increasingly unacceptable in a premium smartphone. The flaws are even more apparent on a small mobile display that you move around and use at different angles. It's not some nice monitor you prop in front of your desk and sit perfectly in front of.

Still way prettier and with far better UI than TouchWiz.

scores slower because of the Full HD screen

Final results are close to 20.000 in AnTuTu...
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its a prototype so definitely the software isnt optimized yet, wait for the final release and then start whining.

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scores slower because of the Full HD screen
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That's probably the issue. This thing rendering everything in fullHD, the S3 does 720p only, so of course it will be "faster" in benchmarks.

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That's probably the issue. This thing rendering everything in fullHD, the S3 does 720p only, so of course it will be "faster" in benchmarks.
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I've seen droid DNA got 19k in antutu with that resolution..
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Yeah, well the Z can score higher than that -- and with XDA here, it's bound to go higher than 22.000
I don't know what Sony's game is, but why the onscreen buttons? That only takes away from the display! For some reason, only the GNex looks good with those, maybe because it doesn't have any extra buttons?
Anyways, I still think the best buttons were on the HTC Desire. You couldn't miss those.

About what I expected and not low at all for a stock device. You have to keep in mind most of the top scores on Antutu are with custom kernels and roms. As for battery I am not worried about it as it has not really been a issue with the newer Sony stuff.

someone755 said:
Yeah, well the Z can score higher than that -- and with XDA here, it's bound to go higher than 22.000
I don't know what Sony's game is, but why the onscreen buttons? That only takes away from the display! For some reason, only the GNex looks good with those, maybe because it doesn't have any extra buttons?
Anyways, I still think the best buttons were on the HTC Desire. You couldn't miss those.
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I think it's better. When not needed, they will hide themselves and show the full screen.
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I think it's better. When not needed, they will hide themselves and show the full screen.
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Agreed. And I'll be hiding the on screen buttons completely, and using gestures instead, meaning that I get the complete 5" !!
Very glad Sony did this, was waiting for someone to stop making redundant buttons.
Now if only they actually gave it a removable battery, then I'd be sold 100% (mostly talking about the ZL, I can understand the Z)

ssj_jaypee said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f31ojOyC7FA
Check out the video.
Lower benchmark score than the Galaxy S3 and battery drops from 97% to 93% in 5 minutes of use.
Not impressed Sony.
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Ummm I should point out the S3 gets around the 9000 range in Antutu and the Nexus 4 which runs the same processor as the Z gets around 16,000 which about in line with that benchmark so... wtf are you talking about. Also *GASP* a phone lose battery while doing intensive benchmarks I am soooo shocked. Obvious troll post.

[Comparison] HTC One vs Samsung Galaxy S4

This looks like one of the hot comparisions out there right now. Many of you are probably wondering if you should get the One or S4. I was in the same boat as some of you guys before buying the HTC One. I had been using a nexus 4 which felt fast and good in hand, but after breaking the screen and getting quoted $250 to fix it, i decided to buy a new one. I didn't even look at any phones other than the HTC One, Galaxy S4 and XPeria Z. I removed the XPeria Z from my list after hearing that the snapdragon s4 feels laggy on the 1080p screen and the screen is a little washed out compared to the other two. It was really hard to choose from the remaining two, but here are things that i thought were pros and cons of both phones:
Galaxy S4 Pros:
- Has SD Slot
- Has Removable Battery
- Processor is clocked 200MHz higher at 1.9GHz (Doesn't make much difference)
- AirView is pretty cool and would be pretty useful if more apps implemented (I don't think the API is open though)
- Faster unofficial updates since Google announced they would be providing updates for the stock version of GS4 which means the roms can be ported faster.
Galaxy S4 Cons:
- Doesn't have a premium feel with plastic polycarbonate body (the phone's plastic felt like the plastic used on my motorcycle's helmet)
- Has too many gimicky features that just take up space but you can never use (the eye tracking features are useless at night or where there is no perfect lighting, Air gestures are not practical for most people.)
- Only 16GB of internal storage (at the moment), and only about 10 GB is free for users to use, which means you cannot download apps that are more than that on size. Almost all big games on the android market are at least 1GB and can go up to 3, and if you install like 5 or 6 of them, you will be pretty close to running out of storage for apps.
- When i held the device on my hand, it felt slimey (its kind of hard to explain) as if it was dipped in some kind of oil.
- Phone speaker is tiny. I don't listen to music through the speakers, but while trying my friends GS4's speakerphone to call while driving, i felt like the volume was little too low.
- TouchWiz is really cluttered. I checked how many apps that i didn't need were installed by default, and there were more than 20 apps that i would never use.
- Periodic Jitters. The phone seemed to freeze up for a quarter of second randomly while using the phone. And sometimes the UI would totally skip animations. These aren't big things, but they make the user experience feel less fun.
HTC One Pros:
- Smooth aluminum finish definitely makes the device feel premium in hand and gives overall better hand feeling.
- Ultrapixel camera works great at low light conditions.
- The infrared blaster merged into the power button just makes the device look less cluttered.
- The PPI is the higest out of anything i have ever used. The display is so sharp that it looks like you are looking at a printed photo when you are looking at the picture on the phone.
- HTC Sense 5 is great. I was always an aosp fan, but they have optmised sense so much that i like sense better than stock now.
- Boomsound speakers are great. I never thought i would be using speakers to watch videos on my phone, but the boom sound speakers are so loud and clear that i like using them over my $200+ headphones while watching movies and videos. The speakers are something that you will not notice how good they are unless you actually use them. Head down to a Sprint or Tmobile or ATT store and try it out.
- Beats Audio sounded like a gimmick at first, but it surprisingly works really well. Some songs sound so much better with beats turned on.
- It has a built in amp for the speakers, which helps the speakers perform really good.
- It is iPhone smooth. No matter what you guys say, i had never used an android phone that could match iphone's smoothness before using the htc one. The galaxy s4 is smooth, but the one feels a lot more smoother than the s4 when using side by side.
- Call Quality seemed much much better than S4 on my tests.
HTC One Cons:
- No Removable Battery. This definitely sucks.
- No SD Slot.
- Still uses 4.1.2 instead of latest version.
- Only 4 MP camera. Way more than enough on daily use, but if you want to print a photo in really large size, you might want to look for a real camera.
- It's almost impossible to repair.
Well these were pros and cons from my tests. I ended up buying the HTC one after a long research. Here are some deciding factors and solutions for HTC one's cons that made me get the HTC:
- The One came with 32 GB which was enough for me. And since i have good network and unlimited data with tmobile, i could always use cloud storage if i needed more.
- The One supports USB OTG like the S4 which means after buying a $1 cable from ebay, i could just plug in my USB flash drive and watch movies and other things from there. This would save me internal space, and i could always use the usb if i wanted to watch a movie. This would compensate the non removable storage in the HTC One.
- The non removable battery in the HTC One sucks, but according to a lot of reviews it would last for a day with moderate use which was good enough for me.
- The non removable battery problems could be solved by portable chargers.
- Even though the battery is non replaceable in the HTC One, i don't think i will need to replace it for at least 2 years, and i wont be using this phone for more than 2 years. The battery is rated for charging cycles of 1000 times. This means even if you charge and discharge your phone completely 3 times in two days (which we don't normally do), the phone would easily last 2 years. And the 1000 times rating is the minimum rating, the battery could last even longer.
- The One has much more premium feel in hand compared to the S4. If you hold both in hands at the same time, you can totally feel the difference.
- Samsung's 16GB internal storage feels like too low for apps. Since you can only use 10GB out of the 16, i feel like i am going to run out of internal storage pretty quick.'
- The Audio quality from headphone port as well as the speakers is much better than the S4. I tried both side by side and One was far better in terms or audio quality.
- The display in HTC One seemed better than the S4 probably because of the higher PPI or samsung's use of pentile display tech. You wouldn't notice this if you were just using one of the phones, but if you had both phones side by side, the difference was noticable.
- The display on the HTC One works much better on sunlight compared to the Galaxy s4's OLED display. The difference is pretty big.
- I noticed that most pictures that i took with my phone were in low light situations. HTC One was much better in low light, even when the Galaxy S4's night mode was turned on.
- I actually liked the looks of HTC's sense compared to Touchwiz. Touchwiz just feels cartoonish compared to Sense.
Let me know if there are any pros or cons or any of the phones that i missed to mention above.
P.S. I am pretty biased towards the HTC one on the last part (deciding factors) since those were the reasons i got one instead of other. But i've tried to be as fair as possible on the pros and cons.
Update: Check this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=41502507&postcount=27

Thanks for the info. I thought Verizon did me a favor and gave me one decision with the s4. Looks like there going to release it and I will have a decision. I've read all the pros and cons and you really have to hold the devices side by side and I did that yesterday for the first time.
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Fstall303 said:
Thanks for the info. I thought Verizon did me a favor and gave me one decision with the s4. Looks like there going to release it and I will have a decision. I've read all the pros and cons and you really have to hold the devices side by side and I did that yesterday for the first time.
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Honestly, both phones are pretty similar in terms of performance specs. But its the tiny little things that make a big difference. Try both phones and don't make your decision based on the fact that verizon doesn't have the one yet. Since sprint already got the CDMA version, verizon should be getting one pretty soon.

Yes, the HTC One is "feeling" good in the hand because of the aluminum. But how things works and functions is way more important than how things feels.
But that feeling comes with a big cost. Aluminum is spreading the heat way more than plastic does. And because the temprature on the HTC One is way higher than it is on the Samsung Galaxy S4 (according to NordicHardware here: http://tinyurl.com/brskpgw), then i wouldn't really say aluminum is a good thing to have on a phone when a phone gets that hot.
And good luck holding that phone under heavy usage, because you know, over 57 degrees celcius and aluminum is NOT gonna fell good in the hand at all.
You should write this down as a cons / negative side for the HTC One.

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Yes, the HTC One is "feeling" good in the hand because of the aluminum. But how things works and functions is way more important than how things feels.
But that feeling comes with a big cost. Aluminum is spreading the heat way more than plastic does. And because the temprature on the HTC One is way higher than it is on the Samsung Galaxy S4 (according to NordicHardware here: http://tinyurl.com/brskpgw), then i wouldn't really say aluminum is a good thing to have on a phone when a phone gets that hot.
And good luck holding that phone under heavy usage, because you know, over 57 deagrees celcius and aluminum is NOT gonna fell good in the hand at all.
You should write this down as a cons / negative side for the HTC One.
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And if you would think about what you just posted, you'd know that heat dissapation is a good thing. Both phones have more or less the same processor, so they heat up about equally. The heat you feel on metal means that the heat is getting sucked away from processor and other electronics inside, preventing them from overheating. :good:

Tom-Helge said:
Yes, the HTC One is "feeling" good in the hand because of the aluminum. But how things works and functions is way more important than how things feels.
But that feeling comes with a big cost. Aluminum is spreading the heat way more than plastic does. And because the temprature on the HTC One is way higher than it is on the Samsung Galaxy S4 (according to NordicHardware here: http://tinyurl.com/brskpgw), then i wouldn't really say aluminum is a good thing to have on a phone when a phone gets that hot.
And good luck holding that phone under heavy usage, because you know, over 57 deagrees celcius and aluminum is NOT gonna fell good in the hand at all.
You should write this down as a cons / negative side for the HTC One.
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hey mate i been using htc one for 2 month and i wanna correct you even i watching movie and playing asphalt 7 or nova or modern combat
my battery highest rate will go till 41 degree and i never feel hot or watsoever just warm if u going to ask me how the hell i check now i teach u guys and that dont know just press *#*#4636#*#* if the device battery heat higher than 48degree will be consider defected battery as what HTC service center told me.lastly im not a HTC fanboy i own samsung s3 previous and my sister own s4 now,we compare side by side and my sister said wanna sell of s4 and get HTC one no offense and peace

OP, as you can see by reading the sticky by jotha in this very section, comparison threads aren't allowed in this forum.

Tom-Helge said:
You can't see ANY differences from 441 PPI to 468 PPI with the naked eye. It's that simple. You are only imagine in your head that you actually are seeing differences. But in reality, you don't. You can't see any differences here before you gets the screens under a microscope.
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Normally I would agree with you on this...But the fact that the S4 uses a pentile display I would have to disagree! I'm sure most people can tell a difference side by side.
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gutrrob said:
Normally I would agree with you on this...But the fact that the S4 uses a pentile display I would have to disagree! I'm sure most people can tell a difference side by side.
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Maybe you should read about the new Pentile technology that are in the Galaxy S4 before you claim it's bad because of earlier pentile techologies: http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S4_ShootOut_1.htm
TLDR: The Super AMOLED screen on the Galaxy S4 are as good as the iPhone 5 screen is. It says enough.

Tom-Helge said:
Maybe you should read about the new Pentile technology that are in the Galaxy S4 before you claim it's bad because of earlier pentile techologies
TLDR: The Super AMOLED screen on the Galaxy S4 are as good as the iPhone 5 screen is. It says enough.
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The HTC One has a far superior screen compared to the iPhone 5! Your comment doesn't hold any water.
Find a article where the S4 screen is just as good as the One.
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gutrrob said:
The HTC One has a far superior screen compared to the iPhone 5! Your comment doesn't hold any water.
Find a article where the S4 screen is just as good as the One.
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When it's about PPI, then yes, HTC One are better than iPhone 5. But everything is not about the PPI on a screen.
Maybe you could find the article / proof that says the HTC One's screen are better than iPhone 5 when it comes to color accuracy?
HTC One and iPhone 5 uses the same screen technology (both have RGB stripes). So the only thing we can compare between those 2 are color accuracy.
And if you then can find me the proof that HTC One is doing a better job at color accuracy than the iPhone 5, then sure, i will use the HTC One over the iPhone 5 to compare the Samsung Galaxy S4's screen with.

gutrrob said:
The HTC One has a far superior screen compared to the iPhone 5! Your comment doesn't hold any water.
Find a article where the S4 screen is just as good as the One.
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Sorry if I'll make you upset or something but IMO the iphone 5 screen is one of the best LCD's out there.
It has excellent calibration, sunlight visibility is superior to everything out there (even better than HTC one), excellent viewing angles and very high (maybe even the highest) contrast among mobile LCD displays.
Yes, the SLCD3 (of Samsung and Sony) in the HTC one is excellent but it's not perfect and the only place it's superior to the iphone 5's screen is ppi. Other than that, it's on par or inferior.
Check it yourself, and I know I'll be backed up by you and any other person who've seen the iphone 5's in person.
BTW, I still prefer the HTC one display over the iphone 5 display.

Tom-Helge said:
When it's about PPI, then yes, HTC One are better than iPhone 5. But everything is not about the PPI on a screen.
Maybe you could find the article / proof that says the HTC One's screen are better than iPhone 5 when it comes to color accuracy?
HTC One and iPhone 5 uses the same screen technology (both have RGB stripes). So the only thing we can compare between those 2 are color accuracy.
And if you then can find me the proof that HTC One is doing a better job at color accuracy than the iPhone 5, then sure, i will use the HTC One over the iPhone 5 to compare the Samsung Galaxy S4's screen with.
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Funny how you keep bringing up the iPhone 5 when were talking about the S4 vs HTC One screen!
I'm done here Troll!
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gutrrob said:
Funny how you keep bringing up the iPhone 5 when were talking about the S4 vs HTC One screen!
I'm done here Troll!
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If iphone 5's screen superior (or on par) than the HTC one's screen than we can bring comparisons (that already made) between him and the S4 instead of the s4 against HTC one which we don't have professional comparisons unless you count the GSMArena comparison (for example) which gave the s4 the winning spot in the screen part:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_vs_htc_one-review-913p3.php

sindresv said:
Tom-Helge:
Why do you come here and try to destroy a perfectly good thread? The OP was trying to help others in the same situation as he was in, and he was not blindly butchering the S4. He had many valid points both pro and cons on both devices, so I don't really see the problem.
You tell us the One's screen isn't that good compared to the S4, but yet the only phone you compare it to is the iPhone 5. I struggel to see your point as this isn't an iPhone 5 VS One thread.
And for the dark screen on the S4: when you compare phones, you have to do it in stock condition. Not everyone roots and flashes.. In fact most people don't..
I still don't get the fuzz over the battery not being able to be changed. I personally have never had the need to change a bettery, and neither have any of my friends.
I guess this thread will be closed, but I kind of liked it and found it useful
Ind just for your information: yes, the One gets a bit hot, but it's never been a problem holding it, and far from any discomfort!
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No, there's no a problem in showing the pros and cons of the devices but the list the OP listed is total biased towards the HTC one.
Almost all of the cons of the galaxy s4 and the pros of the HTC one was a matter of opinion and preference.
So yes, it's good for non-techy people to have such thread but not as biased toward the HTC one as this thread is.

Tom-Helge said:
I'm not destroying this topic. I'm correcting some points the op talked about witch isn't true.
When wasn't that allowed to do?
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The SGS4 screen was engineered with a pentigon style layout making the screen more green/blue than it should be , also making the whites more gray than it should be.
in reality the statments that you were bringing up do have some weight, but the SGS4 is a refreshed the SGS3.
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Is there any reason that the only people who think that are owners of a S4?

EclipzeRemix said:
The SGS4 screen was engineered with a pentigon style layout making the screen more green/blue than it should be , also making the whites more gray than it should be.
in reality the statments that you were bringing up do have some weight, but the SGS4 is a refreshed the SGS3.
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Have you seen the professional test of displaymate? The s4 (in movie mode) have accurate colors.
The "diamond" pentile use different sizes for each subpixel so in the end you can get accurate colors and in movie mode it actually have accurate colors as stated in displaymate tests.

sindresv said:
None of your points have been valid, and when you realise that, you just bring in another phone to compare it with...
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So my links that explains why the Galaxy S4 screen is that good as i say isn't any valid points?
I bring in the iPhone 5 because it have been the mainstreamphone to compare other screen on other phones to, because the iPhone 5 screen is pretty mu7ch one of the best screens out there (untilk proven wrong).

The fact that the display is perfect in some situations doesn't change the fact that it is s**t in other key functions. Not being able to use chrome is kind of a big deal for many people!
And you showed us a link telling us that the S4 display is s**t when browsing. Is that explaining how good it is?

Forgive the SONY user but need help!

Hi all, currently I'm Sony Xperia S user but after a year of usage I got tired of it, very unhappy with build quality and the speed of the device. The thing is I'm planning to get Nexus 4 (white) in about few weeks and I'd like to know the impression of N4 users. If you have some spare time please write something about the device, camera performance. Thanks in advance!

MADNJPN said:
Hi all, currently I'm Sony Xperia S user but after a year of usage I got tired of it, very unhappy with build quality and the speed of the device. The thing is I'm planning to get Nexus 4 (white) in about few weeks and I'd like to know the impression of N4 users. If you have some spare time please write something about the device, camera performance. Thanks in advance!
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My friend has an xperia s and it lags like hell when he scrolls through the UI, he's on stock unrooted.
Get the nexus 4, it's a beast. Camera performance compared to some other phones is acceptable, but far from being the best.
There are many threads about impressions and thoughts around here, mostly you'll find satisfied users.
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I upgraded from a XS to the N4 a month ago. You won't be disappointed The first thing you will notice is the screen is a lot better, but the colours do need adjusting for the best results otherwise it will look washed out. I've been getting the same battery life as I did with the XS so no issues there. The build quality is OK, not brilliant, but acceptable for the price.
I never had any speed/lag issue with the XS on SEMC ROM but the N4 does feel nippier. The camera seems faster on the N4 but I had issues with the XS camera so can't compare directly.

rayiskon said:
My friend has an xperia s and it lags like hell when he scrolls through the UI, he's on stock unrooted.
Get the nexus 4, it's a beast. Camera performance compared to some other phones is acceptable, but far from being the best.
There are many threads about impressions and thoughts around here, mostly you'll find satisfied users.
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Yea, thanks !! I've searched around the forum and liked the pictures taken with N4, also almost everyone is satisfied.

MADNJPN said:
Yea, thanks !! I've searched around the forum and liked the pictures taken with N4, also almost everyone is satisfied.
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I'm one of those unsatisfied with the camera , because i had a galaxy s3 before and i know what phone cameras are capable of nowadays. But anyways, it's a compromise, nexus line was never about cameras...
As for the screen, some people will tell you it's washed out and to mess around with it, i think it is a subjective thing, my phone is rooted,but i kept the stock colors because i like them.
Performance wise, nothing comes close to a nexus and a stock android experience.
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rayiskon said:
I'm one of those unsatisfied with the camera , because i had a galaxy s3 before and i know what phone cameras are capable of nowadays. But anyways, it's a compromise, nexus line was never about cameras...
As for the screen, some people will tell you it's washed out and to mess around with it, i think it is a subjective thing, my phone is rooted,but i kept the stock colors because i like them.
Performance wise, nothing comes close to a nexus and a stock android experience.
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Thanks for your impressions. I love XS, I love it's camera and it really performs very well that's why it's hard for me to switch from cameraphone to Performance monster.

I came from a S2 Skyrocket.
The camera is meh @ best. Samsung really does have rocking cameras. N4 is Okay in decent light. Sucks in low light conditions.
The pure android OS with the hardware this phone has for the price is awesome.
The screen is really crisp and I don't find the colors wash.
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mrhiab said:
I came from a S2 Skyrocket.
The camera is meh @ best. Samsung really does have rocking cameras. N4 is Okay in decent light. Sucks in low light conditions.
The pure android OS with the hardware this phone has for the price is awesome.
The screen is really crisp and I don't find the colors wash.
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Yea, I held one of the Nexus 4 when I was in a shop and it looks and feels great, screen colors look very natural I liked them, but then I saw Xperia Z ... 13mp + microsd card slot + water resist ... makes me worry , should I risk and take SONY again ( Sony fan about 13 sony phones ) or take nexus ...