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Plain Android 2.1 on X10

Hi,
as I don't know anything about ROM-development I wanted to ask how difficult it would be to flash just a native Android 2.1 (Custom-) ROM on the phone. Is there a lot of modding to be done or is it no big thing.
UX sure is nice but I suppose plain 2.1 would be a lot faster. Maybe with Mediascape on top..
I don't want to wait until the official update in something like Q3..

I believe that you have to root the device first.
After that you can do almost everything you want with the monster named X10.

My guess would be vanilla 2.1 is the first major happening after the root. Not ready to give up on timescape/mediascape just yet. They are both developer extensible and I have a feeling that the smart guys around here are going to figure out some nifty uses. Interesting times if this device sees some support.

krabman said:
Interesting times if this device sees some support.
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I am sure it will. It is very promising, unlike the X2....

krabman said:
My guess would be vanilla 2.1 is the first major happening after the root. Not ready to give up on timescape/mediascape just yet. They are both developer extensible and I have a feeling that the smart guys around here are going to figure out some nifty uses. Interesting times if this device sees some support.
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I'd love to see a timescape/mediascape UI ROM for other Android phones.
Heck, I'd love to see the whole UI on another phone. I'm curious to see how it'll work. Specifically seeing as how the X10 won't be supporting multi-touch (as I hear it's a hardware issue as well as software), it'll be interesting to see the UI on a phone that supports multi-touch.

PacoL250 said:
I'd love to see a timescape/mediascape UI ROM for other Android phones.
Heck, I'd love to see the whole UI on another phone. I'm curious to see how it'll work. Specifically seeing as how the X10 won't be supporting multi-touch (as I hear it's a hardware issue as well as software), it'll be interesting to see the UI on a phone that supports multi-touch.
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i wonder how the nexus1 would look with it running

PacoL250 said:
I'd love to see a timescape/mediascape UI ROM for other Android phones.
Heck, I'd love to see the whole UI on another phone. I'm curious to see how it'll work. Specifically seeing as how the X10 won't be supporting multi-touch (as I hear it's a hardware issue as well as software), it'll be interesting to see the UI on a phone that supports multi-touch.
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X10 will support multi-touch!

MCoimbra said:
X10 will support multi-touch!
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I've heard that also.
When it comes to software issues... it can be fixed..
But I think that I heard that it was possible a month ago.
I guess that we will just have to wait and see, if it is possible or not.

MCoimbra said:
X10 will support multi-touch!
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ukon said:
I've heard that also.
When it comes to software issues... it can be fixed..
But I think that I heard that it was possible a month ago.
I guess that we will just have to wait and see, if it is possible or not.
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Ahem...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=653536

Here's an email i've got in modaco foruns:
Yesterday I sent an email to Sony Ericsson asking them to confirm specs features of their X10 handset. This is what I received.
Dear ******,
Thank you for contacting the Sony Ericsson support centre.
I have complied some answers to the questions that you have raised, please see below:
#1 Does the device itself support multi touch? I am aware that the the
current OS Android 1.6 does not.
The handset has a capacitive screen that is capable of multi touch for features such as pinch zooming. This feature will be implemented by the upgrade to 2.1
#2 Does the device have an internal digital compass which would show
direction in google maps?
The X10 does have a magnetometer that acts as a digital compass.
#3 Will android 2.1+ be coming to the Xperia x10 in 2010?
The handset has been confirmed to be upgraded to 2.1, however there are no time scales for this, developement is currently working on implementing the Timescape/Mediascape to 2.1.
Should you have any further questions do not hesitate to ask.
Kind Regards,
Paul Conlan
Sony Ericsson Technical Support
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Has anyone tried to include the apks from the SDK addon in another ROM? Maybe I'm too naive, but it should be possible, shouldn't it? When you extract the system.img, there are several apks and most of them have the X10 icons.
http://developer.sonyericsson.com/c...263202126/102216-XPERIA-X10_SDK_Add-on_r1.zip
The Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 add-on for the Android SDK includes the complete Android system with additions customizing it for the X10 : Sony Ericsson splash screen; X10 colour backgrounds; A "skin" of the X10 which is a simple graphic of the front of the phone; A hardware.ini file to set the operating parameters for screen, camera, audio and so on.
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MCoimbra said:
Here's an email i've got in modaco foruns:
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W00T~!!! Sounds good.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/28/xperia-x10-multitouch-issue-hardware-related/
Bad news folks.

orelsi said:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/28/xperia-x10-multitouch-issue-hardware-related/
Bad news folks.
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TBH, it doesnt really bother me.
Cant say I miss pinch to zoom on my X1 when coming across from my iPod.
I just double tap

Engadget is just passing on the word from the official blog that everyone is already talking about, it isnt from another source.

sounds great!!

I would also like to have plain 2.1
Just waiting root access

When it comes to multi-touch, I trust the fact that it will be supported come the 2.1 update. I hardly doubt Sony Ericsson would create a phone of this caliber without that capability.
That's why my XPERIA is going to sit on my desk, neatly packaged in its box... until 2.1 and root happens. My Nexus One is happy to get more playing time.

uultramann said:
When it comes to multi-touch, I trust the fact that it will be supported come the 2.1 update. I hardly doubt Sony Ericsson would create a phone of this caliber without that capability.
That's why my XPERIA is going to sit on my desk, neatly packaged in its box... until 2.1 and root happens. My Nexus One is happy to get more playing time.
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Hope you are correct
But I dont think you are! SE were to cheap and they were not supposed to upgrade to 2.1, but then all their competitors did and they did not have a choice.
(I think)

uultramann said:
When it comes to multi-touch, I trust the fact that it will be supported come the 2.1 update. I hardly doubt Sony Ericsson would create a phone of this caliber without that capability.
That's why my XPERIA is going to sit on my desk, neatly packaged in its box... until 2.1 and root happens. My Nexus One is happy to get more playing time.
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It'll be sitting there forever then.
Sumit Malhotra confirms no MT on X10
Here's what he said:
Back in November, I posted that X10 will not support multi touch functionality at launch, but will be considered for the future. I can appreciate that even though there wasn´t a commitment, such wording both creates expectations (small or big) on future support and implies restrictions on software side.
That is the information I had in hand at that point of time. I am well aware that you rate multi touch functionality very high and therefore I regret to inform you that X10 screen hardware does not register simultaneous entries. Meaning even though we will upgrade the underlying operating system in relation to upgrading our user experience layer, X10 will not support multi touch functionality. We believe that it is important for you who follow this blog to be clear on that, which is the reason why I want to confirm Rikard’s comment.
We are working on alternative solutions for certain use cases, like zooming. I will share more details about that initiative once confirmed.
Due to vendor understanding and agreements, we don´t discuss in detail regarding hardware specifications. Having said that, X10 is upgradable and as earlier described there will be significant value offered through upgrades. X10 is about to reach stores and early consumer feedback is very positive, also highlighting room for improvement which we will share in due time.
Regards,
Sumit​

... chat today: ask SE about 2.1/Q4 or froyo

... in a live chat (fireside),
today 20 May 2010 at 1pm (westcoast) close to the google-boyz:
link: code.google.com/events/io/2010/sessions/fireside-chat-android-handset-manufacturers.html

So.. what came of this chat?? Or have I got my timezones wrong and it's not yet happened?? Interested to hear what SE said about keeping up with the O/S releases.

its at 9 pm uk time i think

Google got the wrong link:
h**ps://wave.google.com/wave/waveref/googlewave.com/w+-Xhdu7ZkBK7
It's this and it starts soon !!!
Give the SE guy some questions, because know the htc folks are spamming there ^^
EDIT: now it's correct

Really don't get it.. just looked on the chat site and it looks like it's all questions and no answers! am I missing something?

im_iceman said:
Really don't get it.. just looked on the chat site and it looks like it's all questions and no answers! am I missing something?
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Was wondering the same thing. I voted for the questions, but don't understand where the fireside answers are?
Google Wave confuses me.

Bizarre isn't it... I was thinking that I was being thick... perhaps it's just the least intuitive site ever built.. ?!

im_iceman said:
Bizarre isn't it... I was thinking that I was being thick... perhaps it's just the least intuitive site ever built.. ?!
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Yes, it is

there should have been live notes ... that really sucked !

sorry,
i was thinking, we could have a better chance SE will listen. But this live wave thing is/was a desaster.
I cant believe, that there was nobody who listen/answerd etc. ... sometimes google sucks
... hopefully there was a real fireside-talk and somebody asked the right questions (but i dont believe),
but we have a new name for a SE - android contact: "Bill Maggs"

meta96 said:
i was thinking, we could have a better chance SE will listen. But this live wave thing is/was a desaster.
I cant believe, that there was nobody who listen/answerd etc. ... sometimes google sucks
... hopefully there was a real fireside-talk and somebody asked the right questions (but i dont believe),
but we have a new name for a SE - android contact: "Bill Maggs"
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I sent this through the se customer support website - i don't know if it's any good...
Hello there - Would it be possible that the Xperia X10 and X10 mini (pro) be upgraded to Android 2.2 Froyo instead of Android 2.1 Eclair by Q4 of this year? There are many new features being added, so by the time we get 2.1, it will be outdated. Froyo also seems to run on the 2.6.29 linux kernel, which the X10 already runs on, so porting that at least should be as difficult as Eclair.
Also,would it be possible for people who own these devices to flash unsigned roms by unlocking the bootloader in some way - like google has done with the nexus one. This would void the warranty of course, but it would people to develop their own roms who have not had the chance to obtain a pre-release or developer phone etc. Maybe they could even test things for you?
Please take this comment seriously - I'll be looking forward to see what you think of this.
Thanks

That's great Hunteron!
Do you think you could somehow get that to this "Bill Maggs" fellow?
This seriously bothers me. We have a phone with what is probably some of the best hardware on the market, but we are stuck with crap software.
This bit interests me though:
"but we are given a promise for extended firmware support for all OS-powered devices in the future."
http://www.gsmarena.com/xperia_x10_to_get_hd_video_recording_and_android_21_in_q4-news-1634.php

HunteronX said:
I sent this through the se customer support website - i don't know if it's any good...
Hello there - Would it be possible that the Xperia X10 and X10 mini (pro) be upgraded to Android 2.2 Froyo instead of Android 2.1 Eclair by Q4 of this year? There are many new features being added, so by the time we get 2.1, it will be outdated. Froyo also seems to run on the 2.6.29 linux kernel, which the X10 already runs on, so porting that at least should be as difficult as Eclair.
Also,would it be possible for people who own these devices to flash unsigned roms by unlocking the bootloader in some way - like google has done with the nexus one. This would void the warranty of course, but it would people to develop their own roms who have not had the chance to obtain a pre-release or developer phone etc. Maybe they could even test things for you?
Please take this comment seriously - I'll be looking forward to see what you think of this.
Thanks
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This was my se 'call centre' response...
Dear P,
Thank you for contacting the Sony Ericsson support centre regarding your Sony Ericsson X10 handset.
We can advise that the the Android 2.1 software update is due to be released at the end of qauter 4. So this will be some point between October and December. We have not as of yet been advised on the extact date for release.
We apologise for any inconvenience caused.
Kind Regards,
Emma Anderson
Sony Ericsson UK Customer Services
Not very useful is it, considering I already said that in my statement.
I don't know how to contact Bill Maggs though...

HunteronX said:
I don't know how to contact Bill Maggs though...
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Fire off another email to them. Maybe they will give you his.

What features the X10 misses after Gingerbread (what do we need from developers)

I am just trying to combine all the required things in here so that it is easy for a developer or a newcomer to the world of the Xperia X10 to know what the phone really lacks.
1)Real Multitouch:
After the debate whether the chip of the X10 is Cypress or Clearpad, no progress was made in that direction even fixing the buggy dual touch we have (cross-axes problem) giving us a full dual touch.
2)16 million color:
yes, it may not be so crucial to anyone, but really why don't we get a puppy while we can unleash a dragon, and who doesn't want an extra feature in his phone?
(Thanks Z for the Bravia Engine and the FPS uncap).
3)Unlocked Bootloader:
This is the big deal and the door to unleashing the X10, Custom ROMs and Kernels will be much better, features that SE don't want us to get will be easily achieved (MT, 16M, even porting other OS like WP7 or MeeGo or ice cream sandwich :O), developing for the X10 will be easier and more open, and we would really get a phone that can compete with the Arc.
P.S.: I would like to thank the developers working on the X10 now Z, J, Ericwill, Achotjan, Wolfbreak, Cobrato, Doomlord, kxhawkins, Androxyde, ThJap, viousAD, & Trip.
Guys, without you the X10 would have been a bulk of **** staying in the eclair era with one touch and nothing would have improved, your work has saved us a lot, and we are asking you not to leave us because we really like you.
Please if you have a feature or anything that you feel missing from the phone you can post it, it is just a collection of the flaws in the X10.

I agree with op as well. We certainly need the bootloader its what keeps us from unleashing the beast heck I wouldn't be surprised if x10 is faster than arc
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couldn't we achieve the custom kernels on gingerbread using the bootloader bypass thing?

I think the devs are waiting for se to release kernel sources

OP
I Agree.

I think the problem is and always has been having a developer who can write the drivers. Until then, I don't think it matters.

agentJBM said:
I think the problem is and always has been having a developer who can write the drivers. Until then, I don't think it matters.
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It's much more complex that it seems.
Not even OEMs (SE, HTC, Motorola, you name it) write the device drivers for themselves.
Most of the source is provided by the hardware manufacturer (qualcomm, atheros, broadcom) - and a huge part of it is under NDA (non-disclosure agreement).
Without the thorough documentation and source code examples, it's highly unlikely to write any device driver by your own
Obviously, you could try to reverse-engineer stuff, but it's a "rocket science", even for experienced developers/companies.
Cheers,
z

zdzihu said:
It's much more complex that it seems.
Not even OEMs (SE, HTC, Motorola, you name it) write the device drivers for themselves.
Most of the source is provided by the hardware manufacturer (qualcomm, atheros, broadcom) - and a huge part of it is under NDA (non-disclosure agreement).
Without the thorough documentation and source code examples, it's highly unlikely to write any device driver by your own
Obviously, you could try to reverse-engineer stuff, but it's a "rocket science", even for experienced developers/companies.
Cheers,
z
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So, would you agree that none of this stuff will ever happen without help from the manufacturers or a "Rocket Scientist" Developer?
Edit: Not that you aren't a genius. Just clarifying that we don't have the resources, no matter what.

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we don't have the resources, no matter what.
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Totally agree
Cheers,
z

Stop calling developers some glorified copy pasters of cyanogen mod files.

True.. without source code it becomes string theory.
Rocket science is too easy.

@op you forgot fps cap removal
Sent from my x10 on official gingerbread

Lion3494 said:
@op you forgot fps cap removal
Sent from my x10 on official gingerbread
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no he didnt,FPS cap is already removed, just see the android section!!

kunalgahlot said:
no he didnt,FPS cap is already removed, just see the android section!!
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Not to 54 frames buddy. Thats just on stock the 34
Sent from my x10 on official gingerbread

Lion3494 said:
Not to 54 frames buddy. Thats just on stock the 34
Sent from my x10 on official gingerbread
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No what he means is its already been achieved with custom kernels.
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I meant to mention things that aren't yet developed for the X10.
A feature that was exciting but was pulled back is the ability to dual boot two roms using xrec 1.0, I liked it despite never using it because it would be beneficial for the future usage :]

At least I thought that in future devs can make dual touch fully working but Z says its not possible without sources
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Wifi Proxy
I thought this new GB will include the support proxy setting. I have seen in some ROM I forget which one it was that have the proxy setting in it.
I know, this is sad, for lots of school, and corporate that have proxy server, most android phone/tablet are not able to connect to the net. This is a big thing if the android want to get to some of corporate and the education sectors of the market.
I hope the DEV would do something that could enable this proxy feature.
Since day one that I have the X10, I have been disappointed with the lack of this feature.
Not to mention that it also lack of the Cisco IPSEC VPN setting as well.

i did'nt ask for a dual core implement or 32 finger multi touch i just asked for a precise dual touch which SE Fails to provide me with!

KInG GaME said:
i did'nt ask for a dual core implement or 32 finger multi touch i just asked for a precise dual touch which SE Fails to provide me with!
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All of us do want that
Sent from my X10i using XDA App

Lets do it again :) A fund raising to support SEMC Update fo x8.

Finally the unofficial update Gingerbread with CM features to X8 has been a reality with the help of one of the FreeXperia member. Although we have so many great ROMs out there it will never replicate what unique sony features is, but through this debranding engine we are very close to 2011 edition phone by SE. We have now the final release and thanks to Achotjan, but apparently due to he has no device to continually develop and support for X8, we will not have an frequent update. Below is the willingness of this guy to work on our device. In short we have to be united again like we did to bring back our great dev doixanh. If we like to have a frequent support we also have to make a move and help Achotjan.
i haven't the device in hand now , so will not be able to release new updates , if you really want to have more update on this rom , and a future ICS CM9 semc debrand engine so , donate me and wrote here on the thread the amount and confirmation number if i have necessary money to buy this device i will gladly buy the device and continue to work on
Cheers
Achotjan
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This thread is intended for all those who want to contribute in any amount that is warm in our heart.
If you will post something that against this, maybe you better shut up!
I guess we have to raise 200 (might change) dollars.
I dont know what is the exact price of x8.
To start with i will give 1dollar (might raise).
GUYS THIS IS SERIOUS IF YOU SAY YOU WILL DONATE PLEASE DO.
Please Share this to Other​
Donation Link
Paypal
Or Here
Achotjan please monitor your account.
Donators:
1. deedii = 1 dollar

Yeah! C'mon guys! We'll riot Sony Ericsson! I'll see if I have any money on my card (I'm only a teenager so I don't know how much I have ) , also, we should all email Sony Ericsson with a pre-made email from here on the forum. So all you'd have to do is copy the email that some one of us XDA members will make and paste it into an email!
It could possibly change Sony's Mind!

i shoud donate ,but paypall not work in Srbija

@IrishStuff09 same here, only a teenager, but i will see if i have anything on my debit card
Im not promising i will (cuz i doubt i will have any money) but i will look

Irish to make it clear. The reason why SE doesn't support anymore 2010 series phone is because of there marketing strategy, actually there reason that the device cant handle any updates anymore because of low specs is just a cover up for the strategy. i know they are fully aware that this device can do a lot better than there cover up reason. So I think mailing them would not make any sense. If they will support X8 of course more people will choose X8 if it also have an Arc features, cheap yet powerful.

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Irish to make it clear. The reason why SE doesn't support anymore 2010 series phone is because of there marketing strategy, actually there reason that the device cant handle any updates anymore because of low specs is just a cover up for the strategy. i know they are fully aware that this device can do a lot better than there cover up reason. So I think mailing them would not make any sense. If they will support X8 of course more people will choose X8 if it also have an Arc features, cheap yet powerful.
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not realy , xperia x8 is realy a problem for SE , why ? cause of drm releated think
x8 its a armv6 cpu based device and it will take more time and effort to make all armv7 libs for armv6 , they will lose a lot of time and of mony also , other then that the reason that why my rom is stable and speedy its cause of CM7 and our hacks
SE can not do that as they need to support the device after the update if you have the same ussd errors its not serius from a big manufacter , also i already trayed even for x10 to build a AOSP with semcdebrand engine and its realy lagy cuase ther is no tweak so i think they can not do that for x8 , but for x10 they can even make real multituch but they not do that thats is another question ,
but i agree that they can update it to at leas Froyo
cheers
Achotjan

...:-( no paypall in serbia....

deedii said:
Irish to make it clear. The reason why SE doesn't support anymore 2010 series phone is because of there marketing strategy, actually there reason that the device cant handle any updates anymore because of low specs is just a cover up for the strategy. i know they are fully aware that this device can do a lot better than there cover up reason. So I think mailing them would not make any sense. If they will support X8 of course more people will choose X8 if it also have an Arc features, cheap yet powerful.
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I see, but y'know, it could do something??!!
Start a petition maybe?
Sent from my ARCHOS 101G9 using XDA Premium HD app

Achotjan thanks for that clarification, well that is only my opinion.
Btw is there any other means people can donate at you aside from paypal?

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I see, but y'know, it could do something??!!
Start a petition maybe?
Sent from my ARCHOS 101G9 using XDA Premium HD app
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Well if its for the common good then I will always support it

We have to collect about 150$/115Euros. Achotjan need older device with unlocked bootloader or at least possibility of unlocking. Right now I'm without cash, but in 3 days I'll give Achotjan some bucks

Yes it will be a problem as well for him finding old release x8. Im also thinking about that a while ago since we have unlocking issues on new release.

Maybe someone is changing phone and has unlocked X8 to sell?

Im a teenager too :-/
but you can t buy a new phone. it s very risky about bootloader unlock...
Sent from my E15i using XDA App

Best thing to do is to buy a used phone, which means he probably can unlock bootloader and it will be cheap too.

i am going to donate 2.5 gbp
deedii said:
Finally the unofficial update Gingerbread with CM features to X8 has been a reality with the help of one of the FreeXperia member. Although we have so many great ROMs out there it will never replicate what unique sony features is, but through this debranding engine we are very close to 2011 edition phone by SE. We have now the final release and thanks to Achotjan, but apparently due to he has no device to continually develop and support for X8, we will not have an frequent update. Below is the willingness of this guy to work on our device. In short we have to be united again like we did to bring back our great dev doixanh. If we like to have a frequent support we also have to make a move and help Achotjan.
This thread is intended for all those who want to contribute in any amount that is warm in our heart.
If you will post something that against this, maybe you better shut up!
I guess we have to raise 200 (might change) dollars.
I dont know what is the exact price of x8.
To start with i will give 1dollar (might raise).
GUYS THIS IS SERIOUS IF YOU SAY YOU WILL DONATE PLEASE DO.
Please Share this to Other​
Donation Link
Paypal
Or Here
Achotjan please monitor your account.
Donators:
1. deedii = 1 dollar
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i am gonna donate 2.5 gbp
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where do i send to it i am in the uk and have a uk paypal i am only 14 so ic an only give 2.50 british pounds

achotjan...that true,but many devices(armv6) have froyo an 2.3 official...many samsung devices,huawei,viewsonic dual sim ,some lg devices and etc...SE,now Sony have surces to bring updates but dont wont to do that..l dont have paypall,if someone now ho to donate without pp,lets write here !
Achotjan said:
not realy , xperia x8 is realy a problem for SE , why ? cause of drm releated think
x8 its a armv6 cpu based device and it will take more time and effort to make all armv7 libs for armv6 , they will lose a lot of time and of mony also , other then that the reason that why my rom is stable and speedy its cause of CM7 and our hacks
SE can not do that as they need to support the device after the update if you have the same ussd errors its not serius from a big manufacter , also i already trayed even for x10 to build a AOSP with semcdebrand engine and its realy lagy cuase ther is no tweak so i think they can not do that for x8 , but for x10 they can even make real multituch but they not do that thats is another question ,
but i agree that they can update it to at leas Froyo
cheers
Achotjan
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But you must know that samsungs android isnt the same as sonys...
Sent from my E15i using XDA App

eagleeyetom said:
Achotjan need older device with unlocked bootloader or at least possibility of unlocking.
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(and @deedii)
That's my very first thought as well.
If he goes out NOW to buy a new X8 the chances are incredibly high that he will only be able to fetch a post-11W29 device that can't be unlocked by software - this means he has to take the trouble to crack it open with either setool2 or Wotan (and both methods aren't tried yet).
I think it would be a whole lot more efficient if Achotjan would first investigate his options to either somehow get a OLD X8 that can be unlocked by the_laser's hack or determine that he can unlock a newer 11W29+ / 12W## X8 through the testpins trick.

B.Jay said:
(and @deedii)
That's my very first thought as well.
If he goes out NOW to buy a new X8 the chances are incredibly high that he will only be able to fetch a post-11W29 device that can't be unlocked by software - this means he has to take the trouble to crack it open with either setool2 or Wotan (and both methods aren't tried yet).
I think it would be a whole lot more efficient if Achotjan would first investigate his options to either somehow get a OLD X8 that can be unlocked by the_laser's hack or determine that he can unlock a newer 11W29+ / 12W## X8 through the testpins trick.
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hmmmm, yes, if we dont contact him saying that he should buy a pre-owned x8 with the date 11w28 and below, he might go out to shops now and come back with one that we will have to crack through testpins, and this will be hard. what if there could be a fix to fill up the security hole?
nah, i doubt it. Wish there was though.....
So how'd you think we will crack these testpins? The only things i have ever hacked is someones cctv, and my neighbors wifi
EDIT: hey guys, check this out! wander what date it is......

Aosp project by Sony

Great news sony is just like xperia s working on aosp project
http://developer.sonymobile.com/201...r-xperia-z-on-sonys-github-open-source-video/
This would definitely help us!

Yep. Some of the devs doing apps and kernels for the device would probably be helped even more than us, and if they send fixes to the repo Sony could be helped as well.
Open source. It works, *****es!

Hey guys, as you have some knowledge that I don't, can someone explain me something...
The official AOSP from Sony seems to lack from some important drivers (camera and modem) because they are closed source.
I totally understand and that's not a problem for me.
What I don't understand is why CyanogenMod team has some open source drivers.. is that because they reverse engineered some stuff that Sony is not allowed to?
I really do not understand the difference between these two projects.

As I understand it, CM usually uses proprietary blobs (binaries) extracted from the device they are building for, rather than open source alternatives coded by the community.
AOSP aims to use all open source code.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong
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Hi Entropy, could you help answer a question that was brought up in another thread while were on this AOSP topic. I'm curious to your thoughts on this.
profete162 said:
The official AOSP from Sony seems to lack from some important drivers (camera and modem) because they are closed source.
I totally understand and that's not a problem for me.
What I don't understand is why CyanogenMod team has some open source drivers.. is that because they reverse engineered some stuff that Sony is not allowed to?
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AOSP is pure open source, but to get that source running on any given phone you're almost guaranteed to have to use closed source blobs due to licensing. This is not a bad thing, and on the github site sony even gives a download link to all the blobs so you can use them

Entropy, while were on this topic,could you enlighten us for this question that was brought up in another thread.
profete162 said:
The official AOSP from Sony seems to lack from some important drivers (camera and modem) because they are closed source.
I totally understand and that's not a problem for me.
What I don't understand is why CyanogenMod team has some open source drivers.. is that because they reverse engineered some stuff that Sony is not allowed to?
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Perfectly clear and nice answer, thanks.
Tom Fagerland said:
AOSP is pure open source, but to get that source running on any given phone you're almost guaranteed to have to use closed source blobs due to licensing. This is not a bad thing, and on the github site sony even gives a download link to all the blobs so you can use them
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profete162 said:
Hey guys, as you have some knowledge that I don't, can someone explain me something...
The official AOSP from Sony seems to lack from some important drivers (camera and modem) because they are closed source.
I totally understand and that's not a problem for me.
What I don't understand is why CyanogenMod team has some open source drivers.. is that because they reverse engineered some stuff that Sony is not allowed to?
I really do not understand the difference between these two projects.
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In some cases, our handling of blobs is a pretty serious grey area. That is, for example, why our official build instructions use the extract-files approach. Also, why our blob repos used for builds are maintained separately from our main source repos.
That reminds me, I need to look through the manuals/stock software for my device to see what sorts of legal terminology there is - e.g. what is actually said about the blobs in about->legal.
In some cases (such as modem and camera), the OEM has weirdo restrictions in terms of permission to release binaries. Qualcomm has some especially arcane rules for some items (mostly modem-related).
Also, in the case of AOSP master, blobs must be compatible with the current codebase - as a result, some of our backwards-compatibility hacks to work with released blobs aren't valid for "official upstream" AOSP.

If I am not completely stupid and understood previous post, can we summarize like this:
1) "drivers" for camera and modem are proprietary compiled files on the device that nobody can edit
2) Sony has the right to include these files on a Sony Rom (I guess they paid for these files?)
3) Sony cannot include these files on other Rom than the one shipped with the device, like an AOSP ROM. (even as a separate package?)
4) Cyanogen include these files on CMxx but (is? // is not?) allowed to
Is that right?

does AOSP mean turning the Z into a nexus phone basically? Sorry I am still new to the Android thing. What does this mean for update? Do we get it as soon as Google release a new one?

Gitaroo said:
does AOSP mean turning the Z into a nexus phone basically? Sorry I am still new to the Android thing. What does this mean for update? Do we get it as soon as Google release a new one?
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Will still require time to adapt it. But it'easier for the community devs and chances to get it are much higher than on other phones.
Sent Form my CM powered Sony Xperia Z.

It reminds me the Xperia S AOSP thread, lots of hope when they annouced it, but unable to provide a stock rom update to 4.1.2 ! Last one is from september and it's 4.0.4...

babylonbwoy said:
It reminds me the Xperia S AOSP thread, lots of hope when they annouced it, but unable to provide a stock rom update to 4.1.2 ! Last one is from september and it's 4.0.4...
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All Snapdragon S3 (Scorpion) devices are in the same boat there. Samsung Scorpions just saw 4.1 only in the last week or so.

I hope they can retain Bravia engine!

I'm dowloading the source code now, let's see what I can do
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Tom Fagerland said:
AOSP is pure open source, but to get that source running on any given phone you're almost guaranteed to have to use closed source blobs due to licensing. This is not a bad thing, and on the github site sony even gives a download link to all the blobs so you can use them
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https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/drivers
then what are these binaries for Nexus devices?
Do devs use those closed-source binaries for building AOSP for nexus devices? (and difference is that Google obtained permissions from everyone to release the binaries?

I was about to create a thread to share the news hehe
http://developer.sonymobile.com/201...or-xperia-z-on-sonys-github-open-source-video
I hope by doing this xperia z will turn to a nexus phone *grins*

babylonbwoy said:
It reminds me the Xperia S AOSP thread, lots of hope when they annouced it, but unable to provide a stock rom update to 4.1.2 ! Last one is from september and it's 4.0.4...
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wouldnt Z be different. The S didnt have on screen navi keys and on top of that it was using a snapd 3 chip with 1gb of ram. Touch up was clearly needed for the S, however...
The Z is nearly the same as a Nexus 4 in nearly every way.

paperWastage said:
https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/drivers
then what are these binaries for Nexus devices?
Do devs use those closed-source binaries for building AOSP for nexus devices? (and difference is that Google obtained permissions from everyone to release the binaries?
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Read my post again.