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The General Windows 8 Thread

The Time of Windows 8 is upon us!!!​
-This thread is for anything from Q&A to mentioning new features that you come upon. It is also for any updates, mods, etc. that you see. I will attempt to update this thread as often as possible. Along with these things, tell us about your rig and then tell us about the performance you are getting.
-News:
-New Features:
- Metro UI
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Is there any way to CLOSE Metro apps without using the task manager? The only way I can get out of things is using the Windows key on my keyboard it seems. Its such a simple question...one I haven't found an answer to yet.

dreamcaster012 said:
Is there any way to CLOSE Metro apps without using the task manager? The only way I can get out of things is using the Windows key on my keyboard it seems. Its such a simple question...one I haven't found an answer to yet.
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alt+f4 it will leave you at a blank screen. just windows key back

thepyro6 said:
alt+f4 it will leave you at a blank screen. just windows key back
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Yeah, it seems like thats the only way out right now. Also, does anyone know how to stop Metro IE10 from having that "Only secure content is shown" pop-up at almost every website?

Interestingly I managed to get the "classic" bootloader back by exiting the Windows 8 one in the more option screen. Which I guess is actually a bad thing because it went and put Win8 back as the default selection =/
And at the keynote, the Windows key is how the speaker got out of Metro apps on the demo units without a touchscreen. (I just streamed it, and just the first day's one at that)

expiring date of this pre-beta release is 12 march 2012

Question
Do the apps in the start menu actually work or are they here just to make the start menu look nice?
The only links that actually work are, desktop, file explorer, chrome (that I installed), control panel, and internet explore.
edit: well after searching other forums i solved my problem
the metro apps will only work if you have a resolution of 1024x768 or higher
a simple reg edit fixed this
1) Run regedit
1a) highlight the higest tree level (Computer)
2) Search for “Display1_DownScalingSupported” and changed it from “0″ to “1″
3) Restart the system
4) Enjoy the two new resolutions: 1024×768 px and 1152×864 px
the metro apps will work now.

Can't get the install past 90%
Loading to my netbook how long did the install take for yall
Sent from my Galaxy Tab 7in.

took 30 min.
1.66ghz, 2gb ram
used a flash drive

I have one ram but 1.66 ghz
Did your install hang at 90? Did you install over w7 or did fresh install?
That's what she said...

I installed win8 from a flash drive on to a separate partition. It never hanged for me but I have 2 gb of ram... I also installed the 64bit b/c i was getting a driver error for a dvd/cd drive when i don't even have one.
1gb is the min for 32bit and 2gb for 64bit.

Now my metro ui apps won't open
That's what she said...

ayysir said:
Now my metro ui apps won't open
That's what she said...
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If ur apps wont open try this, most likely your resolution is to low.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1265544

very good, i have tested it, and is ok...

Got it running on my Acer Iconia Tab w500, which I may be right in saying is the only Windows tablet you can buy with a multitouch capacitive screen? Either way this thing is MADE for Windows 8, I just have a couple of hardware issues that I don't foresee being able to resolve on my own, but I'm not sure where to post about it. The biggest thing is getting the accelerometer back.....
Overall for a developer preview, its a great experience, it just needs a bit more refinement and some smart people do develop more Metro apps! I don't have the internal storage to dual boot so I'm all-in.

yea my accelerometer doesn't work either.

dreamcaster012 said:
Is there any way to CLOSE Metro apps without using the task manager? The only way I can get out of things is using the Windows key on my keyboard it seems. Its such a simple question...one I haven't found an answer to yet.
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thepyro6 said:
alt+f4 it will leave you at a blank screen. just windows key back
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dreamcaster012 said:
Yeah, it seems like thats the only way out right now. Also, does anyone know how to stop Metro IE10 from having that "Only secure content is shown" pop-up at almost every website?
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No No No that's not the way.Just put your mouse to the top of the app and drag it down.It will close.No need for alt and f4 at all!
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ayysir said:
Can't get the install past 90%
Loading to my netbook how long did the install take for yall
Sent from my Galaxy Tab 7in.
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Are you doing an upgrade or a clean install.If youre trying to upgrade,try a clean install.It will work:laugh:
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thevictor390 said:
Got it running on my Acer Iconia Tab w500, which I may be right in saying is the only Windows tablet you can buy with a multitouch capacitive screen? Either way this thing is MADE for Windows 8, I just have a couple of hardware issues that I don't foresee being able to resolve on my own, but I'm not sure where to post about it. The biggest thing is getting the accelerometer back.....
Overall for a developer preview, its a great experience, it just needs a bit more refinement and some smart people do develop more Metro apps! I don't have the internal storage to dual boot so I'm all-in.
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Y U No Use RTM?

Alt+F4 (which works correctly in RTM) is much faster for people who are used to using keyboard shortcuts, although the "drag from top to bottom" gesture works fine with a mouse and is very easy with touch (less so with stylus, though still possible). That said, closing TIFKAM apps is rarely needed; when in the background most apps are suspended and use no CPU or battery life. I believe they will be closed automatically if another app needs the RAM, although I'm less sure of that. Incidentally, you can also close them using the mouse by going to any other screen (Start, Desktop, another TIFKAM app), then mouse to the upper left corner (shows the switcher), right-click on an app thumbnail, select Close.

share your views on windows 8

well i installed windows 8 devloper preview and I must say that it sucks big time .
dont want to comment more as going to uninstall it ,for those who want to test it dont do it stay happy with windows 7

I disagree. Makes for a new look, boots faster, internet explorer 10 is great. Its brought a7 year old PC back to life even more so than windows 7. Just needs a little bit more work. By the time the release date rolls around it should be much
More polished
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I think it's rough around the edges, but that Metro is the future of computing interfaces . When you've used Metro on a touchscreen, there's *nothing* better

I disagree too.
On my W500, it flies compared to Win7. As a WP7 user, I am into the metro look and style, it works well on a tablet. I installed on a spare laptop and the experience is diminished purely by having to use that horrible horizontal scroll bar at the bottom...god I hope that is gone by beta.
I thought that pinning apps to the metro screen (do we call that the start screen now?) would be as simple as press-hold on a app/program in the apps list...but that doesnt bring up a 'pin it' pop-up. You have to navigate to the prog file in explorer...another thing that should be as intuitive as the phone but isn't.
As a replacement for the traditional desktop, metro takes some getting used to. No quick way to switch apps...you can swipe open apps in from the left, but you have to scroll through them all to get to the one you want. I would have expected a long press to bring you to a page of all open apps (same as back key on WP7?) but I can't find such a feature, yet.
And I still haven't figure out how to exit those open metro apps. Maybe I need to rely on Win8 app management, like WP7 to close when the mem gets full?
The W500 has a windows hard key on the front, and that does fast switching from metro to desktop...I think it must be more clunky if you don't have that available.
Also, when placing a cursor in a text field, I get a little graphic of a keyboard popping up, which I have to press to actually get the keyboard...I would have expected to get the keyboard straight away if I enter a text field.
And another thing on the keyboard, if I want to minimise it it, I have to go to the language button in the bottom right, where you can switch language and there is a small down arrow to click to minimise. Not exactly friendly when you want to minimise the keys to see more screen real estate.
Let us remember it is a developer preview, a shell to allow devs to see how their metro apps will work. This isn't a day-to-day OS yet, I am sure there is much more glittery goodness to follow.
But I like what I see so far.

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I have to agree. I love the new setup. I don't have a windows phone, but I have thought for a while that it was certainly the best layout option for smartphones.
Certainly, there are some bugs, and it's in desperate need of more apps, but that's the point. The iso wasn't really put up to be played with. It was put up so that we can make apps for it. Not to mention the thought of having a fully function (i.e. I can program on it) tablet is awesome. I'm not much for these consumption devices that are the current tablet offerings.
Especially for pre-beta software, I feel that this is a really strong showing. And I'm digging the updated VS 2011. Minor changes and all, but it's definitely a little speedier as well.

Windows 8
Performence of Winodws8 is awesome but the tablet layout on doesn't sound Good.Tablet is Tablet & PC is PC.There are alot of differences between them.You can't make tablet layout comfortable on PC that M$ shuld know.
Anyway i liked this Windows 8 Layout

twisticles said:
I disagree too.
On my W500, it flies compared to Win7. As a WP7 user, I am into the metro look and style, it works well on a tablet. I installed on a spare laptop and the experience is diminished purely by having to use that horrible horizontal scroll bar at the bottom...god I hope that is gone by beta.
I thought that pinning apps to the metro screen (do we call that the start screen now?) would be as simple as press-hold on a app/program in the apps list...but that doesnt bring up a 'pin it' pop-up. You have to navigate to the prog file in explorer...another thing that should be as intuitive as the phone but isn't.
As a replacement for the traditional desktop, metro takes some getting used to. No quick way to switch apps...you can swipe open apps in from the left, but you have to scroll through them all to get to the one you want. I would have expected a long press to bring you to a page of all open apps (same as back key on WP7?) but I can't find such a feature, yet.
And I still haven't figure out how to exit those open metro apps. Maybe I need to rely on Win8 app management, like WP7 to close when the mem gets full?
The W500 has a windows hard key on the front, and that does fast switching from metro to desktop...I think it must be more clunky if you don't have that available.
Aflso, when placing a cursor in a text field, I get a little graphic of a keyboard popping up, which I have to press to actually get the keyboard...I would have expected to get the keyboard straight away if I enter a text field.
IAnd another thing on the keyboard, if I want to minimise it it, I have to go to the language button in the bottom right, where you can switch language and there is a small down arrow to click to minimise. Not exactly friendly when you want to minimise the keys to see more screen real estate.
Let us remember it is a developer preview, a shell to allow devs to see how their metro apps will work. This isn't a day-to-day OS yet, I am sure there is much more glittery goodness to follow.
But I like what I see so far.
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if this is the developer preview I cannot wait till final seriously. its just that good ❤ ? and emotes works w00t

well my comment is on devloper preview not the final build as definately it will come up with lots of stuff and changes so i mean to wait for the final release .
to get a proper hand on it

I'm quite pleased with it overall..
I like the new start screen, the ribbon is useful in explorer, I like the new task manager.. and the performance is fantastic.
With some polish and the new features they showed us (that this build doesn't have) I think Windows 8 will be in very good shape for launch.
I actually prefer the metro IE 10 to the desktop version.. it makes for a much more pleasant reading experience for reading articles on the web, etc and it's really fast.

Can't really say it sucks cause it's only in dev preview. There are more things will be done.
Love the Metro UI, Ribbons, Charms and the cloud integration.
Not to forget the performance and features/tool available for developers.

I really wonder windows 8 will bi good or bad, win 7 was very good because of it is a fix version of vista, but win 8 will be very new and must have erros, important point is to make them fix fast

[Q] Weather App Question

I installed Windows 8 Consumer Preview on my netbook last night to see exactly how well the performance is on a low level machine. Loving it thus far, after doing the regedit to allow me to run metro apps. Through configuring everything the way I wanted it, I stumbled upon a problem. I cannot change my default home location within the default Weather app. Does anyone know a trick to changing that? I tried a little google-fu, but had no luck.

skyfallcinema said:
I installed Windows 8 Consumer Preview on my netbook last night to see exactly how well the performance is on a low level machine. Loving it thus far, after doing the regedit to allow me to run metro apps. Through configuring everything the way I wanted it, I stumbled upon a problem. I cannot change my default home location within the default Weather app. Does anyone know a trick to changing that? I tried a little google-fu, but had no luck.
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Hmmm, usually it asks me on first use what my location is...you may need to pull up the options/settings menu in the app...then, click "places" and enter your location there. If you have already tried this I'll try some other options and let you know...
Btw, how do you like win8?

I have been unable to try the suggested steps as of yet. Life's been slightly hectic the past day or so. I'll try that out tonight.
So far, I love Windows 8. I am running it on my netbook currently, but I am planning on throwing it on my main rig in a dual boot environment to see how the 64 bit version handles anything I can throw at it, since I really don't do much when I am using my netbook outside of IE. I see a lot of people complaining about the Metro UI. I personally love it. I have to say, though, I have been on Windows Phone 7 since early last year. Speaking of, I have high hopes for the integration between the two platforms based on what I have seen so far.

Right click in the weather app and something should come up. I'm not at my computer right now so I don't know what exactly
Sent from my handheld Linux computer using electromagnetic radiation.

How can I change F to Celsius?

mikekrk said:
How can I change F to Celsius?
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right click to bring up app menu, then bottom right there should be an option.

Possible to use Windows 8 and avoid this "metro" garbage?

Basically. I'm only switching to W8 as long as I can get rid of that crappy start screen, add a start button, boot straight to the desktop so I can actually get stuff done quickly like I have for the...past 10 years
I've seen that you can add a start button, but is there anyway to remove any of the other crap?
Honestly I feel like I am better just using W7 till they get it right (hopefully) with W9. Or whatever they'll call it. But, I've heard it is faster.

http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/

paolo599 said:
http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/
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Never quite understood the point of those apps. Windows 8 already has all of things that supposedly adds, so why use an app that needless duplicates those things?

rstat1 said:
Never quite understood the point of those apps. Windows 8 already has all of things that supposedly adds, so why use an app that needless duplicates those things?
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Some people can't stand the new visual layout (it looks like the app drawer of the SGS default launcher - app icon with a random background color). Also it is fullscreen.

JihadSquad said:
Some people can't stand the new visual layout (it looks like the app drawer of the SGS default launcher - app icon with a random background color). Also it is fullscreen.
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If you need to see the desktop you could dual screen then its only on 1 so technically half screen lol.
This said I don't get the op about getting things done faster! the new start screen smashes the old on speed. Also he said about getting to the desktop on login I don't get why its so hard to press enter and why do they say it makes it slower when it logs in more that 4times faster then 7 so even with the single button press your in and on the desktop (don't know why cos you will have to launch a program so unless you like looking at your wallpaper this is a pointless pathetic and useless argument) much faster still,
This is typical moaning for the sake of moaning nothing more. I understand saying I don't like the look etc but to say its slower or less productive is just wrong! Why is clicking a small icon on your desktop any faster then clicking a square in the start menu????????
I really want to know as I simply do not get it!!!
You do realize you can customize the start screen layout right even group programs? You do realize you can pin documents as well as programs? you do realize you can just start typing to search? and that you can unpin any clutter then still get to it with a right click? I simply don't understand why anyone in the world thinks that having a start menu with a lng list of programs is in anyway faster then the new start menu.
If you think sticking with windows 7 makes you faster you are kidding yourself its like saying I will stick with a ford focus because its faster then a Ferrari just because you don't like the dash board. If you don't like the look that's fair play but don't try to make out that windows 8 is somehow slower or more clumsy then 7!
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Not to mention that if you don't install metro apps the only thing that's changed is the start screen, Something used for starting programs and does much faster then a list that you should see for about 1% of the time unless your really unorganized and just leave software machine gunned all over it. You can even name your groups, i challenge anyone to load windows 7 on identical hardware and beat me at getting into a program or multiple programs and documents with me on 8, cos if you did you will get smoked.
Actually naff it i have a pc to rebuild today i will do a video to prove it!

lumpaywk said:
If you need to see the desktop you could dual screen then its only on 1 so technically half screen lol.
This said I don't get the op about getting things done faster! the new start screen smashes the old on speed. Also he said about getting to the desktop on login I don't get why its so hard to press enter and why do they say it makes it slower when it logs in more that 4times faster then 7 so even with the single button press your in and on the desktop (don't know why cos you will have to launch a program so unless you like looking at your wallpaper this is a pointless pathetic and useless argument) much faster still,
This is typical moaning for the sake of moaning nothing more. I understand saying I don't like the look etc but to say its slower or less productive is just wrong! Why is clicking a small icon on your desktop any faster then clicking a square in the start menu????????
I really want to know as I simply do not get it!!!
You do realize you can customize the start screen layout right even group programs? You do realize you can pin documents as well as programs? you do realize you can just start typing to search? and that you can unpin any clutter then still get to it with a right click? I simply don't understand why anyone in the world thinks that having a start menu with a lng list of programs is in anyway faster then the new start menu.
If you think sticking with windows 7 makes you faster you are kidding yourself its like saying I will stick with a ford focus because its faster then a Ferrari just because you don't like the dash board. If you don't like the look that's fair play but don't try to make out that windows 8 is somehow slower or more clumsy then 7!
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Not to mention that if you don't install metro apps the only thing that's changed is the start screen, Something used for starting programs and does much faster then a list that you should see for about 1% of the time unless your really unorganized and just leave software machine gunned all over it. You can even name your groups, i challenge anyone to load windows 7 on identical hardware and beat me at getting into a program or multiple programs and documents with me on 8, cos if you did you will get smoked.
Actually naff it i have a pc to rebuild today i will do a video to prove it!
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Yeah, I am pretty sure most people who complain about it have never tried it (just watched a video) or tried it but not for long enough. It takes a little learning, but then it is much faster than Windows 7 for getting most things done.

move on people! or stick to your current OS.

it is a shame that FUD spreads so easily, but the bigger shame is that there are so many gullible individuals that take everything they read as gospel without actually understanding what it is they are reading.
Im actually tired of daft comments like the OP here, Win 8 has its issues and yet almost all the Win 8 haters don't list any of them and instead become fixated on things that are not actually wrong or any different then what is with Win 7 just now. I have no problem with constructive criticism and good debate but mindless rants of regurgitated nonsense is tiresome
ive said it once and ill say it again, the biggest obstacle for MS launching Win8 and WP 7/8 isn't how good or bad the OS is, its the stupidity of the general population or more importantly the inability for MS to get its own marketing in gear
in answer to the OPs question, is it possible to avoid metro?
the answer is yes and no, you need to use metro as a start menu which is essentially EXACTLY what it is, then you don't have to use any metro apps. you could use a more inefficient start menu as mentioned above or if you don't want a third party program you can pin a shortcut to your start menu folder on your task bar, clicking on it will open up the "start menu" which doesn't have that much less functionality than the old start menu but is utterly crap compared to the new one

dazza9075 said:
it is a shame that FUD spreads so easily, but the bigger shame is that there are so many gullible individuals that take everything they read as gospel without actually understanding what it is they are reading.
Im actually tired of daft comments like the OP here, Win 8 has its issues and yet almost all the Win 8 haters don't list any of them and instead become fixated on things that are not actually wrong or any different then what is with Win 7 just now. I have no problem with constructive criticism and good debate but mindless rants of regurgitated nonsense is tiresome
ive said it once and ill say it again, the biggest obstacle for MS launching Win8 and WP 7/8 isn't how good or bad the OS is, its the stupidity of the general population or more importantly the inability for MS to get its own marketing in gear
in answer to the OPs question, is it possible to avoid metro?
the answer is yes and no, you need to use metro as a start menu which is essentially EXACTLY what it is, then you don't have to use any metro apps. you could use a more inefficient start menu as mentioned above or if you don't want a third party program you can pin a shortcut to your start menu folder on your task bar, clicking on it will open up the "start menu" which doesn't have that much less functionality than the old start menu but is utterly crap compared to the new one
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yep a better argument against windows 8 is the lack of metro on multi monitors. Or how the Server tools will not load AD in 32bit mode meaning i have to run a vm to administer exchange 2003 (only thing i now cant do even vmware is now fixed (veeam needs update but if you dont use it vmware works)).

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Again. I like the speed, and new things.
But the layout? Garbage. Change is NOT needed for things to be new. We've had the same layout for 15+ years nearly.
Hell, **** steering wheels. Let's add a small ball you turn with your head. Why not? Don't complain, accept change.
That's basically what some of you are saying.

Locklear308 said:
Again. I like the speed, and new things.
But the layout? Garbage. Change is NOT needed for things to be new. We've had the same layout for 15+ years nearly.
Hell, **** steering wheels. Let's add a small ball you turn with your head. Why not? Don't complain, accept change.
That's basically what some of you are saying.
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When the current layout of the modern automobile came out it was really unpopular and people said it would never take on.
I don't get why you think the layout is garbage but each to there own. What I see is a way that is much much faster and easier to get to what I need quickly. In the old start menu I had to click all programs find the top folder open that to a sub list then find what I wanted. No its there straight away. That's 4 clicks down to 2 and I can lay it out by whatever means I like not in alphabetical order. For example my machine at work is separated into categories tools, programs, office, documents, personal (games and kindle etc for lunch break), remote desktops and power options. means if I need something fast its right there I can pin documents as well as terminal servers to my start next to my software.
I would really love someone to explain quite how they think a list with sub lists is a better more productive method because I really don't see it.

Locklear308 said:
Again. I like the speed, and new things.
But the layout? Garbage. Change is NOT needed for things to be new. We've had the same layout for 15+ years nearly.
Hell, **** steering wheels. Let's add a small ball you turn with your head. Why not? Don't complain, accept change.
That's basically what some of you are saying.
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what layout? desktop is there, the task bar is there, the start menu is significantly enhanced but is still there, you don't have to use metro and its apps if don't want to, and if that is so the metro interface becomes an interactive start menu that takes no more time to open than the old start menu, and is much quicker to load programs as and when you need them
it DOES take a bit of getting used to but once you get the hang of it its great and much more efficient, I have nothing to gain from trying to show people that perhaps what they have read or experienced for 5 min isn't the be all and end all of Win 8.
If you choose not to open your mind to the possibility that win 8 is actually pretty efficient when you get the hang of it then its no skin off my nose. That would simply be your loss but if you have based your decision from nothing but the words of others and perhaps a 5 min or even a couple of days trial on your own then your decision is a fail and your opinion is worthless.
If you have used it for a good while then I would have thought that the other issues Win 8 has would be the first things you bring up against it, but these issues are rarely mentioned by those that have not used it much, probably because they never used it long enough to experience them, which is why we get fed up with pointless "metro" comments with no further substance
Using your analogy of a daft car reference, if I dropped you in to a Bugatti Veyron as it were your first experience in a car, you would need to learn to use the obscenely powerful car for a while, getting to know it before taking it for a spin around the Nurburg ring . Not learning to use it and spinning off and crashing every 5 min wouldn't be fun so unless you learnt to use it you would never enjoy it.

The simple answer is Windows 7.

Locklear308 said:
Basically. I'm only switching to W8 as long as I can get rid of that crappy start screen, add a start button, boot straight to the desktop so I can actually get stuff done quickly like I have for the...past 10 years
I've seen that you can add a start button, but is there anyway to remove any of the other crap?
Honestly I feel like I am better just using W7 till they get it right (hopefully) with W9. Or whatever they'll call it. But, I've heard it is faster.
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A: Pin your desktop apps you use all the time to the task bar. Duh.
B: If you have ever launched an app from the desktop you have used the new "metro garbage". Most users don't even use the Start Menu but if you took away their full-screen launcher (the desktop) they would be lost.
C: Since it was introduced, the Start Menu has changed with EVERY release of Windows. Windows 7 Start Menu is not the Windows 95 Start Menu
Most people only multi-task between two applications and multiple studies (totally unrelated to Microsoft) have found that people are LESS productive when they multitask.
Don't even get me started about your claims of "get stuff done quickly" related to classic Windows, according to every study ever done on that matter, if you were worried about "getting stuff done quickly" you would be using a Mac. There has never been a study that shows people are more productive on Windows than on a Mac.

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/10/pokki-brings-the-start-menu-back-to-windows-8/
Just install this and you'll be back to normal
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conmanxtreme said:
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/10/pokki-brings-the-start-menu-back-to-windows-8/
Just install this and you'll be back to normal
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install that and .....have a seizure
each to their own I guess but I cant for the life of me work out why anyone would want to take a 3rd part app that looks like a malformed, limp bastardized love child of Win 98 and Metro over the efficient informative metro that is already there.
I must be getting too old to understand all this "living in the past" new age nonsense

Ways to avoid Metro:
Launch programs from Windows Explorer (hell, leave Explorer open to the Start Menu folders if you really want to).
Launch programs from the taskbar (after pinning them there).
Launch programs from the desktop (all too many programs still try put themselves there by default).
Launch programs using Run (Win+R, same as on basically every other Windows version).
Launch programs using the command line (cmd.exe or Powershell, yes, they're both present).
Launch programs using the Address toolbar for the taskbar.
Close your eyes, hit the Windows key, type the first few letters of a program name, and hit Enter, while pretending you're on Win7 (or even Vista, which added this feature).
I honestly don't get this fixation on "Metro" (in quotes because of Microsoft's stupid name-games). It's honestly almost irrelevant to my WIn8 experience; I use this OS in pretty much the same way I've used all other NT6.x versions, using Start as little more than an unusually large search box with a really handy one-click access. It got a bit bigger in this version, and accessing "Settings" or files now takes a couple more clicks than is used to, but otherwise it's functionally the same for me. I did find the Charms bar a little confusing, for the first 5 minutes. Now I simply know to use it for things like accessing the power controls, and it's no big deal at all.

Another windows millenium
arczangel said:
move on people! or stick to your current OS.
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I'm sticking with W7

conmanxtreme said:
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/10/pokki-brings-the-start-menu-back-to-windows-8/
Just install this and you'll be back to normal
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I kinda like the look of it, don't think I'd ever use it on my Win 8 Install when I upgrade as it looks more confusing than Metro, I'll probably use Start8 in combination with Metro until I get used to Metro though.
As the video what I watche yesterday it looks a tad confusing finding certain things as they are tucked away in wierd places.
Roland

Windows 8 Support

As working for Microsoft, Specially with their windows project I found it very difficult to get a proper guidance or troubleshoot their problems when Microsoft stops supporting them.
Some of you might be aware to the fact as Windows 8 pro at 1,999/- INR price tag is coming without any support from Microsoft end and neither you have any trial option to check and decide whether u should buy it or not, It becomes utterly necessary to initiate a small contribution for the great lovers of the Microsoft.
Here what we are trying to do is to get all the answers for your beloved windows 8 and help you with the troubleshooting their causes.
I would also like to tell the moderators: Thanks for deleting my previous thread but it wasn't a direct commercialization what I was trying to do was to make available things which aren't free.
As piracy is strictly neither my policy nor this forum's so we needed to pay to Microsoft and that is what we were charging, it wasn't a product promotion it was making product available at a price which makes it nearly free.
Anyways back to the topic, folks please go ahead with the issues

I just gat the Asus Q200E and im wondering if I want to switch back to Win 7 will it be tough to get drivers or are they similar to the win 8 drivers. Ive onl used windows 8 for four days and will go on trying to get used to it but so far I dont think i will stay with it. I find myself getting to pissed off with it. I am figuring out most of it but its just not for me. Maybe when there is more support int he way of apps I will use it but its too querky for me as it is.

splatoid said:
I just gat the Asus Q200E and im wondering if I want to switch back to Win 7 will it be tough to get drivers or are they similar to the win 8 drivers. Ive onl used windows 8 for four days and will go on trying to get used to it but so far I dont think i will stay with it. I find myself getting to pissed off with it. I am figuring out most of it but its just not for me. Maybe when there is more support int he way of apps I will use it but its too querky for me as it is.
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You can always downgrade to the previous versions for the windows, though downgrading to the windows xp would be bit troublesome due to the compatibility issues but windows 7 and 8 more or less share the same architecture for the device driver compatibility so downgrading to windows 7 would not bring you major issues with ur device drivers until and unless you are having TPA module installed in your laptop
and for downgrading please do contact Microsoft for a downgrade key it is absolutely free

Thank you for your help. Much appreciated..

splatoid said:
Thank you for your help. Much appreciated..
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welcome

The only issue that i have is when I leave my computer on idle, after a,little while, system just takes over 25% of my cpu. I have a toshiba portege that originally had windows 8 release preview. Any method to prevent system from doing that?
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splatoid said:
I just gat the Asus Q200E and im wondering if I want to switch back to Win 7 will it be tough to get drivers or are they similar to the win 8 drivers. Ive onl used windows 8 for four days and will go on trying to get used to it but so far I dont think i will stay with it. I find myself getting to pissed off with it. I am figuring out most of it but its just not for me. Maybe when there is more support int he way of apps I will use it but its too querky for me as it is.
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Nice, the first post in an 8 support thread is a question about 7.
goldflame09 said:
The only issue that i have is when I leave my computer on idle, after a,little while, system just takes over 25% of my cpu. I have a toshiba portege that originally had windows 8 release preview. Any method to prevent system from doing that?
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I have this issue with my older computer; 2.2GHz single core AMD athlon 64 (socket 939). I'd be curious as to what is causing this too, but I only have the release preview on that computer. For me, the computer idles at 25% and it just feels really sluggish, like each process in the system isn't running as efficiently as it could. Conversely, a modified XP (unofficially modified: all components but the bare minimum removed and slipstreamed updates / registry improvements) runs perfectly fine on the same hardware. I know XP is faster than 8, and especially so the modified version I use, but it's clear that something is actually not right. The DPC latency isn't terrible, but it's consistently over 1000 microseconds, vs XP which averaged ~15 microseconds. It must be a driver issue I'm guessing? The hardware is old and I wouldn't be surprised if one of the components isn't running well for whatever reason under 8.
I think the issue is true for both x64 and x86, I thought some of my RAM might have been bad so I took them out and switched to 32 bit while I was at it (in case the 32 bit drivers were better).
Actually on my new gaming rig the dpc latency averages exactly 1000 microseconds with 8, and though I suffer no performance issues, this bugs the living hell out of me, knowing I used to have 15!

link68759 said:
Nice, the first post in an 8 support thread is a question about 7.
I have this issue with my older computer; 2.2GHz single core AMD athlon 64 (socket 939). I'd be curious as to what is causing this too, but I only have the release preview on that computer. For me, the computer idles at 25% and it just feels really sluggish, like each process in the system isn't running as efficiently as it could. Conversely, a modified XP (unofficially modified: all components but the bare minimum removed and slipstreamed updates / registry improvements) runs perfectly fine on the same hardware. I know XP is faster than 8, and especially so the modified version I use, but it's clear that something is actually not right. The DPC latency isn't terrible, but it's consistently over 1000 microseconds, vs XP which averaged ~15 microseconds. It must be a driver issue I'm guessing? The hardware is old and I wouldn't be surprised if one of the components isn't running well for whatever reason under 8.
I think the issue is true for both x64 and x86, I thought some of my RAM might have been bad so I took them out and switched to 32 bit while I was at it (in case the 32 bit drivers were better).
Actually on my new gaming rig the dpc latency averages exactly 1000 microseconds with 8, and though I suffer no performance issues, this bugs the living hell out of me, knowing I used to have 15!
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I would like to add on to your post. Along with the reason you explained there is one more reason as windows 8 is programmed for giving max performance with the min power consumption, due to which at idle CPU tries to enter at low frequency stage and also if you have a very old system this issue arises as mentioned in the above post due to one more reason of HDD.
Windows 8 tries to keep alive threads running in background to save the power but due to CRC in the old HDD this loops the processor

Hey, I'm having problems sharing internet connected to VPN to my PS3. I've searched MS Answers forum and did come across this
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...indows-8/4e56a425-c685-4ab2-9b23-72b1cab4557e
But I'd like to reduce the steps of doing it to a single click like in a form of VBS or BAT file, how do I do that? And why is Windows 8 behaving like this like that guy said.

Hi dudes, I'm having the same problem as this guy over here.
Everytime I boot up, I have to quickly press "win+D" to get into desktop mode. If not it just hangs at metro start screen and I can do nth about it except "ctrl+alt+del". It just freezes there. Using windows 8 pro. Had this prob since yesterday. It was okay when I installed system updates on 15 Nov up until yesterday. I didn't make any software/hardware installations/updates in between this period of time.
Hope someone can help me out here! Thanks!

kay_kiat88 said:
Hi dudes, I'm having the same problem as this guy over here.
Everytime I boot up, I have to quickly press "win+D" to get into desktop mode. If not it just hangs at metro start screen and I can do nth about it except "ctrl+alt+del". It just freezes there. Using windows 8 pro. Had this prob since yesterday. It was okay when I installed system updates on 15 Nov up until yesterday. I didn't make any software/hardware installations/updates in between this period of time.
Hope someone can help me out here! Thanks!
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U need to refresh the system at secure boot

downloaderintruder said:
Hey, I'm having problems sharing internet connected to VPN to my PS3. I've searched MS Answers forum and did come across this
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...indows-8/4e56a425-c685-4ab2-9b23-72b1cab4557e
But I'd like to reduce the steps of doing it to a single click like in a form of VBS or BAT file, how do I do that? And why is Windows 8 behaving like this like that guy said.
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this issue was already reported by me to Microsoft developers team and they are working on it possibly with a update in December the new fix would be forced in your systems update
mean while if you wan't to create a vbs script or batch file go through these tutorials
http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/438621-batch-file-to-run-vbs-on-startup/
http://www.programmingforums.org/post196761.html
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/da/ITCG/thread/1743a39f-3a25-4d01-aa5c-af32e8e7c0ff

I'm actually having a minor cosmetic issue: taskbar is set to autohide, but sometimes it just won't hide until I restart explorer. Toggling the autohide settings or unlocking and moving it around don't help.

link68759 said:
I'm actually having a minor cosmetic issue: taskbar is set to autohide, but sometimes it just won't hide until I restart explorer. Toggling the autohide settings or unlocking and moving it around don't help.
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In the "good old days" applicaitons would often un-hide the Taskbar so their notification icons could show an updated status and they could ensure it would be seen. I think this method has fallen out of favor, but older applications that haven't been updated could still be sending the commands to the system to show the Taskbar. Is it possible that you have an older app in the notification area that's affecting the Taskbar as described?
Open Task Manager and Regedit.
++ on the Start Menu & select 'Exit Explorer'
or use services.msc to temporarily exit explorer by killing the service "explorer"
In Regedit, navigate to:
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\Explorer\Streams\Desktop]
delete the value named 'Toolbars'.
In Task Manager, select 'File' -> 'New Task' -> type 'explorer' to restart
the shell.
If that doesn't do the trick, repeat deleting 'TaskbarWinXP' as well. in ur case it might be 'TaskbarWin8'

I've got a lot of old software but I haven't used any of it on my laptop. Something poorly coded may well be the issue, though this behavior is hardly exclusive to "old" software as windows 8 itself seems to actively embrace exactly this: by default the taskbar is auto hidden (this is not true of xp/vista/7) and if something isn't in the foreground and for whatever reason won't take focus, it will raise the taskbar and keep it raised until you click on said program in the taskbar.
I think it actually might be related to internet explorer and it trying to tell me that a download is finished, but gets stuck there. I'm going to see if it happens with IE running and nothing else before editing the registry.

OK I have a good question for you!
Enabled bitlocker on my C:\ drive. This killed the bootable recovery and also 8's ability to "refresh" without a DVD (it could not find the files needed).
How do I move the bootable recovery tools to the system partition? Will this fix the refresh problem? If not, how do I restore 8's ability to refresh without external media?

link68759 said:
OK I have a good question for you!
Enabled bitlocker on my C:\ drive. This killed the bootable recovery and also 8's ability to "refresh" without a DVD (it could not find the files needed).
How do I move the bootable recovery tools to the system partition? Will this fix the refresh problem? If not, how do I restore 8's ability to refresh without external media?
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have u made any changes in hardware or the system software after enabling bitlocker or ur system is running in dual boot
I am sure for one thing mere copying the bootable recovery tools to the system partition won't help.
I am also running my hp laptop with windows 8 encrypted but I am not facing any of these issues.
please elaborate your issue
meanwhile as I understand this might help u http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc771778(v=WS.10).aspx#BKMK_WhatIsRecovery
and http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee523219(v=ws.10).aspx
these also implies to windows 8

shreshth89 said:
have u made any changes in hardware or the system software after enabling bitlocker or ur system is running in dual boot
I am sure for one thing mere copying the bootable recovery tools to the system partition won't help.
I am also running my hp laptop with windows 8 encrypted but I am not facing any of these issues.
please elaborate your issue
meanwhile as I understand this might help u http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc771778(v=WS.10).aspx#BKMK_WhatIsRecovery
and http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee523219(v=ws.10).aspx
these also implies to windows 8
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I don't know how you're not having "this issue" since enabling bitlocker *forces* WinRE to be disabled, including the ability to refresh.
I disabled bitlocker because ReAgentc.exe refused to operate with bitlocker enabled. The only solution I could find was to format the HDD, recreate a bigger system partition, reinstall windows and do things from the fresh install. I suppose I could refresh my custom image from there, assuming it would even work for 8 (the instructions I found were for 7).

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I don't know how you're not having "this issue" since enabling bitlocker *forces* WinRE to be disabled, including the ability to refresh.
I disabled bitlocker because ReAgentc.exe refused to operate with bitlocker enabled. The only solution I could find was to format the HDD, recreate a bigger system partition, reinstall windows and do things from the fresh install. I suppose I could refresh my custom image from there, assuming it would even work for 8 (the instructions I found were for 7).
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these also work for for 8 as I was told in training and specifically for 8 we are still waiting for the manuals

I can't access the windows app store in my wifi network which is secured by a proxy and i have to authenticate to browse. All desktop apps works well but not the windows app store. It asks for authentication bot when i give the username and password to it, it shows "your network proxy does not work with windows store contact your administrator". what should i do to access the microsoft app store.