I've had several battery problems with my TMobile g2 for a while now
First and probably most important problem is the battery doesn't charge all the way to 100 percent, at one point the battery use said I was on the battery for about 14 days, doesn't matter which ROM or kernel
Also while playing with an app or just browsing the web the battery for about an hour or so will drain down to about 15 percent
I've tried the stock USB chargers my phone came with my friends chargers and batteries still same issues
I've also had issues where if I was rebooting the phone while on the charger at let say 15 to 20 percent it would go down to about 5-10 percent
Getting very annoyed with this phone and considering moving back to the iphone
Any help would be greatly appriciated, thanks
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xtremev1 said:
I've had several battery problems with my TMobile g2 for a while now
First and probably most important problem is the battery doesn't charge all the way to 100 percent, at one point the battery use said I was on the battery for about 14 days, doesn't matter which ROM or kernel
Also while playing with an app or just browsing the web the battery for about an hour or so will drain down to about 15 percent
I've tried the stock USB chargers my phone came with my friends chargers and batteries still same issues
I've also had issues where if I was rebooting the phone while on the charger at let say 15 to 20 percent it would go down to about 5-10 percent
Getting very annoyed with this phone and considering moving back to the iphone
Any help would be greatly appriciated, thanks
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Have your tried underclocking or charging the phone while your device is powered off?
have you tried wiping the battery stats? truthfully its probably a bad battery or multiple bad batteries if you have tried multiple roms and kernels and get the same results. either that or theres something else you are missing here
underclocking no will try that now.
As for charging while its off it would turn on to recovery mode
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And the battery stats yes several times just woke up it only charged to about 40 percent reset it now it's at about 80 percent super weird
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Sounds like a bad battery. Have you tried other types or models? Another OEM, Mugen, etc..? All the batterystats and ROMs do is report to you what the battery states. No matter how you cut it (change ROMs, kernels, undervolt, underclock, overclock, etc...) if the battery is as bad as you say after all those changes, it HAS to be the battery.
Have tried another battery sent to me by TMobile and nothing actually even worse, as for third party no have not tried it yet don't but will this week and report back, hopefully my pants wont explode
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xtremev1 said:
underclocking no will try that now.
As for charging while its off it would turn on to recovery mode
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Uninstall rom manager and install 4Ext Recovery then try charging with the phone off.
tarroyo said:
Uninstall rom manager and install 4Ext Recovery then try charging with the phone off.
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+1. Also, if it comes down to it, I have a spare Mugen 1800mAh that I am able to part with. Just shipping and a small fee.
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Uninstall rom manager and install 4Ext Recovery then try charging with the phone off.
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I have the same problem. I tried with the phone off, but the issue is still here. Full charge (7 hours) and the battery percent shows 54%. I changed the battery for a new, but is the same. Some idea, please?
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I would try another battery (they are pretty cheap these days) or delete battery stats in CWM.
I got 99 problems but my battery ain't one
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Getting very annoyed with this phone and considering moving back to the iphone
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LOL, you think iPhones don't have battery problems? I've known more iPhones with battery problems than Android phones. And you can't (easily) replace the battery in an iPhone.
Considering FOUR of my iphones I owned the batteries actually charged to 100 percent without me restarting it and wouldn't have to carry a charger around AND the phone itself is easier to replace, yeah...
The battery I ordered should come in today so will update later
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I hope that works for you. In my case, it was not. I bought a new battery and nothing changed. I am increasingly convinced that this is a hardware problem. Anyway, I appreciate your feedback.
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What kind of battery did you buy?
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What kind of battery did you buy?
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http://www.htcaccessorystore.com/uk/p_htc_item.aspx?i=209988&phone=209272
Although my phone is a G2, I bought the battery from the Incredible S because it has a little more capacity (1450 mAh).
I'm using HTC Wildfire and I have same problem. I tried everything: I bought new battery, Rewrite software also bought new charger.. nothing.
You can try another battery like mugen 1800mah!!! The best for me!
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Recently I've noticed my phone dropping percentages within minutes, I've been on my phone for about 30 min just moderately surfing the web and it has dropped almost 30 percent. I tried juice defender, although it seemed it
worked somewhat it was really messing with my data connection. Anyone else experiencing this issue?
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Also my display is using 59% of the battery consumption but I have it turned all the way down.
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I had this same problem until I reflashed my rom it must have been some background application which rom are you using I didn't have this issue with the stock rom btw
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As of right now I'm just rooted with the update.zip, I did lag fix but unlag fixed shortly after. Didn't have this problem when I was stock battery actually listed a good amount time.
There are bugs with the displayed battery % not being accurate. Especially if you power down the phone while it's charging.
My Vibrant just eats battery by the minute... I am honestly not sure what is going on. IT's 2.30pm and I barely used the phone and it's down to 53% now from 9am.
What can I do to fix this? I have rooted and installed lag fix from this link
I had the same issue before applying ryanza one click lash fix. My battery now lasts aboutlag 2 days. Which lag fix did you apply ?
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I know this doesn't help... but my phone is stock and with normal battery management practices I'm not having any real problems... However, I'm really used to my blackberry which could be left on forever without using any battery at all.
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I know this doesn't help... but my phone is stock and with normal battery management practices I'm not having any real problems... However, I'm really used to my blackberry which could be left on forever without using any battery at all.
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Yea compared to my last two smartphones, the vibrant battery life is no worse. It's definitely better than the n900. But no smart phone's battery life has compared to my blackberry's I used to use.
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Yea compared to my last two smartphones, the vibrant battery life is no worse. It's definitely better than the n900. But no smart phone's battery life has compared to my blackberry's I used to use.
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N900 to vibrant and man what a difference. N900 battery life was absolutely horrible.
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I had the same issue before applying ryanza one click lash fix. My battery now lasts aboutlag 2 days. Which lag fix did you apply ?
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I reset the phone and applied the raynza lag fix. I'll test it out and see how battery reacts. Thanks!
Fix permissions via recovery! Drain your battery till power down and recharge it fully while off if possible.
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I had this issue. Turns out my battery had swollen due to over heating. Excessive use while on the charger. In the end, it would take 7 hours to charge 80%. Hence why it was on the charger.
Doesn't sound like you have the same issue. But of you start experiencing charging issue coupled with rapid draining get the barry replaced. No issues anymore.
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Fix permissions via recovery! Drain your battery till power down and recharge it fully while off if possible.
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fixing permissions will fix the battery life?
Wow I didn't realize I butchered my typing lol. I was at work and trying to type fast on swype. I'm not all that good yet.
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tarantula78 said:
I had this same problem until I reflashed my rom it must have been some background application which rom are you using I didn't have this issue with the stock rom btw
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How do you go about flashing difffrent roms?
Battery still draining quickly' fully charged and my nephew played ko boxing four maybe 30min and my phone was at 75%. Now I'm at work all day since using the phone for maybe 10m total and I'm at 42%. So basically 40m of use and 9 hrs of stand by I'm at 42%. I also g have everything off. Screen dimmed to 10 via night dimmer app. Could an ebay charger do this because mt car charger I got was from ebay.
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Battery still draining quickly' fully charged and my nephew played ko boxing four maybe 30min and my phone was at 75%. Now I'm at work all day since using the phone for maybe 10m total and I'm at 42%. So basically 40m of use and 9 hrs of stand by I'm at 42%. I also g have everything off. Screen dimmed to 10 via night dimmer app. Could an ebay charger do this because mt car charger I got was from ebay.
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i been having the same problem since i have rooted my device i dont know what else to do.... i am getting a new battery next week lets see how that works out. but i don't think its the battery
Okay my battery life is like sh!t! 2 hours and im at 50% ... WTF i just reset my phone ... reflashed and this is what i get? Im about to return this phone
EDIT: omg guys i took my phone to AT&T and i got a family member who owns it so he gave me a new battery. Im still at 100% and its been on for 7 hours!
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Okay my battery life is like sh!t! 2 hours and im at 50% ... WTF i just reset my phone ... reflashed and this is what i get? Im about to return this phone
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Yep, I can say it TRULY sucks. Dual core processor and 4g doesn't help though. Also motoblur I think constantly syncs your facebook crap when you don't know it.
Been there and fixed it on my device. Check the battery usage stats. If there is a motorola.services process using the most battery, it is likely one of your sync accounts causing the drain. Does it get really warm when you are not using it?
If we get unlocked bootloader will we beable to take off motoblur and put better stuff on
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Yes!, it geta very very hot! Even when im using it
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It must be something with your device. I'm running ginger blur 1.3 and on a full charge I am at 90% at the 10 hour mark... Medium usage.
Wow... my phone sucks ! I think ill go get the inspire 4g or wait for infuse
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you're complaining about battery life and you going to get the inspire? im sure the inspire will solve all your battery problems with its 1250mah battery...
did you flash with 100% battery? sometimes a flash will mess with the battery stats on android, you may be down to 50% but that doesnt mean thats what you have left. let it calibrate with a few charge cycles and check if you have a program constantly syncing in the background.
More people are developing on the inspire ... the atrix not much
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how much porn are you watching ?
I don't know what you guys are doing but just the other day I went 2 days and 2 hrs before my phone died and that was with regular use.
Don't feed the troll. Thanx.
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you're complaining about battery life and you going to get the inspire? im sure the inspire will solve all your battery problems with its 1250mah battery...
did you flash with 100% battery? sometimes a flash will mess with the battery stats on android, you may be down to 50% but that doesnt mean thats what you have left. let it calibrate with a few charge cycles and check if you have a program constantly syncing in the background.
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yes but on the inspire you can put roms that improve your battery
cordell507 said:
yes but on the inspire you can put roms that improve your battery
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No ROM will magically give you an extra 700MAh in your battery. I get great battery life, I can easily go 2 days before charging. Also this thread smells of troll......
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No ROM will magically give you an extra 700MAh in your battery. I get great battery life, I can easily go 2 days before charging. Also this thread smells of troll......
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x2
Seems like another Inspire troll since he knows about the magical battery life giving roms for thew Inspire
firefox3 said:
Okay my battery life is like sh!t! 2 hours and im at 50% ... WTF i just reset my phone ... reflashed and this is what i get? Im about to return this phone
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You haven't used a stock Inspire have you?
cordell507 said:
yes but on the inspire you can put roms that improve your battery
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Yeah, too bad you have to mod the device to get better battery life. Atrix battery life is amazing.
OP, if you're at 50% at two hours, you're probably playing heavy games with a live wallpaper running and your phone min/maxed in SetCPU. I've gotten two days without a charge on a stock Atrix. My Cm7 Inspire still has worse battery life.
My phone was actually just reflashed and i was in church for an hour and it was already at 60 came home made a couple of calls and i had 50% .... my sister has inspire and hers lasts longer then mine!
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neotekz said:
you're complaining about battery life and you going to get the inspire? im sure the inspire will solve all your battery problems with its 1250mah battery...
did you flash with 100% battery? sometimes a flash will mess with the battery stats on android, you may be down to 50% but that doesnt mean thats what you have left. let it calibrate with a few charge cycles and check if you have a program constantly syncing in the background.
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I get around 38 hours on my Inspire, but only with light use.
But still, that sucks compared to what I got on my Vibrant (around 50+ hours)
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Inspire ftw!
I have the Bell Atrix version. Hopefully Bell gets the same battery upgrade as the AT&T users recently had received. I could probably use that extra 10-15%. With that said even in its current state, this phone is still waaay better than my HTC phones in terms of battery life.
If HTC could give us better battery, I'd probably go all HTC. Unfortunately battery means more to me than mods...
I'm on joelz prime xl 3D r43 and my battery life is horrible. I get and hour everyday and barley using it. When I stare at my battery percentage I can see it goin down ever minute.
Can someone give me tips on how to save battery life or something
Bcuz when I flash Jermains stock its Rom battery life is good again (I get about 3 hours on that)
And there's nothing wrong with my battery or phone
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Alton (Halo 2) said:
I'm on joelz prime xl 3D r43 and my battery life is horrible. I get and hour everyday and barley using it. When I stare at my battery percentage I can see it goin down ever minute.
Can someone give me tips on how to save battery life or something
Bcuz when I flash Jermains stock its Rom battery life is good again (I get about 3 hours on that)
And there's nothing wrong with my battery or phone
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Have you ever dropped your phone in water at all? Maybe you have a bad battery, because those battery stats are worse than even running complete stock. Post all of your info, Hboot, radio, kernel, etc. And hopefully we can help you out with your issue.
Hboot: .92
Kernel: Tinys gingersense 11/19
Radio : 2.15.00.0808
And no never dropped it in water
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that sounds unreasonably bad. I'm on Joelz Prime, too, but I think only up to R40. I doubt there's anything in those last few commits to cause this, though. Try re-flashing, wiping battery stats, and give it a few cycles then reevaluate things. What apps are shown in the "Battery Use" settings menu?
Failing that, could be some hardware issue causing a short or something that's draining things... There have been cases where water or other damage can kill the battery life. Good luck.
I reflashed 3 times and still horrible battery life .
Water never got on my phone .
And in battery use nothing major is running . Except like display, os ect.
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real strange, man... you know anybody else with an Incredible or Evo whose battery you can swap and try for a day?
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real strange, man... you know anybody else with an Incredible or Evo whose battery you can swap and try for a day?
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I have 3 batterys and they all work the same
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I've been using Joelz XL 4.0r42 for a few days now and I can say battery life is a little worse than 3.9, but not down to 3 hours. I change overnight, disconnect at 7:30am and charge again at 11pm. But that is with 5 or less calls, 10 texts, and emailing only.
Could email be on push? Did you try the power settings under tweak? I have tried normal and performance and see no difference. Someone said that one of the widgets was killing performance in an earlier post (in the PrimeXL thread), maybe the same widget is killing the battery too?
Related question: When should you wipe battery stats? Full charge, almost dead battery, at ROM flashing only?
Alton (Halo 2) said:
I have 3 batterys and they all work the same
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I dunno, then... try leaving it in Airplane mode for a little while, to see if it's something radio, etc.-related. otherwise, something's probably wrong with a hardware element somewhere along the line. I hope you're able to solve the issue.
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Related question: When should you wipe battery stats? Full charge, almost dead battery, at ROM flashing only?
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I've read a tip to do this:
-get battery full before installing ROM
-wipe battery stats and flash new ROM
-Let it settle in, set it up a bit, then fill up the battery again
-go back to Recovery and wipe stats again, while it's full.
I'm not clear on the logic behind it - could be somebody's superstitions - but it's not a difficult step to take in the hopes that it does some good.
there are others who said they run a script at shut down to wipe them every time the phone reboots. Seems like everyone has their little tricks.
This may be a long shot, but my guess would be some kind of internal hardware issue. Maybe there's a problem with the micro USB port and it's not actually fully charging the batteries.
Shut the phone off and charge it till the lights green. And if you want any kind of battery life, sense is not the rom to be on. Especially 3.5.
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Try underclocking it
Try underclocking it. This saves my battery life by a lot!!!
Do you use apps that stay using data? Like a messenger?
Nope
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What apps you have? if you don't mind
Live wallpaper?
Nope
Btw my battery die so much faster with wallpaper its ridiculous
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There are tons of things that effect battery life and tons of things to save battery. Underclocking, undervolting, lengthning time between syncs, increasing wifi scan interval, lowering screen brightness, keeping running services to a minimum. However even with your phone set to max performance settings with all the bells and whistles on, you should still get more than 3 hours out of a charge. If multipul batteries give the same results, i would say its hardware related, or your charger is messed up and its not charging or messing up the batteries.
I wiped battery stats andseeing where that leads me
Right now when I wiped it and I played modern combat 2 for an hour and my percent is 61
So ill say imma get 2 hours out of my batt?
Hey I see progress !
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Lol, pretty much any game you play is going to drain your battery
wayneb02 said:
Lol, pretty much any game you play is going to drain your battery
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Yea ik but usually wen I play that game my battery would be over in 45 mins
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So ever since I rooted and installed a new ROM from here, I've noticed that my battery has been getting eaten like candy on Halloween.
Battery life with no calls and doing nothing with the phone but turning on the screen for a few seconds at a time: 12-16 hours. On such light usage days, the main battery drainers in Android's Battery display are Cell standby and Phone idle.
At one point I had a fully charged phone that I took off the charger when I got a call. The call finished between 45 minutes and an hour later and my battery read about 13%. Most recently I got a call with 55% battery and my phone shut down mid-call about 20 min later.
Any time I take a call my battery seems to get hit hard now.
Lately, when I try to use the cell data network when not on the charger, I will very quickly get a hard battery shut down regardless of how much battery is left. The phone will then refuse to boot completely until I put it on the charger.
I've tried flashing the latest Radio from the thread in Android Development (I was just on the stock one before) but that doesn't seem to have affected this issue.
The ROMs I have used are AOKP Insomnia, CM9: Operation Inferno, and Zipsnet's Creamed Glacier.
If anyone has any ideas on debugging this, I'm open to suggestions. I'm thinking I'll try and flash back to the stock ROM to see if I can rule out a wonky battery in general.
Its probably the battery, I remember having my battery drain like crazy until I changed the battery...if it comes down to it being a bad battery I would recommend the Anker 1700 mAh batteries on amazon...2 batteries for 15 bucks plus a charger and I think free shipping as well.
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707BeastMode707 said:
Its probably the battery, I remember having my battery drain like crazy until I changed the battery...if it comes down to it being a bad battery I would recommend the Anker 1700 mAh batteries on amazon...2 batteries for 15 bucks plus a charger and I think free shipping as well.
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Anker 1700? I've only seen a 1550 made by Anker.
So is Anker a Chinese knock-off or a quality product?
Hamsterkill said:
So is Anker a Chinese knock-off or a quality product?
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Its quality. My wife and I both have one.
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Anker 1700? I've only seen a 1550 made by Anker.
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Yeah its what the battery says lol...I really don't know if its actually 100% a 1700 mAh but it lasts way longer than the stock HTC battery the my touch came with and I'm happy with that lol...with heavy usage I could get a day to a day and a half on a full charge.
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So is Anker a Chinese knock-off or a quality product?
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From the results of seen I think HTC my be the knock off lol
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Thought I'd ask the experts in all things Glacier...
A couple of weeks ago I found that my phone wasn't charging as quickly as normal. One night I plugged it in, got up 5 hours later and found it had only charged 50%. I left it plugged in a few more hours, and everything seemed ok, but I didn't use the phone much. Then this started happening consistently, and with the screen brightness set anything past 1/3, I was literally losing 2% per minute. The display appears to be the big drain - nothing else really even registers.
So I ordered a replacement battery, ran it dead and recharged twice, and I'm still having the same problem.
So the question is, with the battery now eliminated as the problem, is it possible my Rom is causing some screen glitch (turning on at random times?), or has my phone decided that it's been dropped in too many times and it has some internal damage that's causing the screen to draw more power than it should?
Related question, how does one restore darkside sense 4 Rom? Is out the same procedure as stock roms?
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Have you tried another rom? Or maybe reflashing? It might also be a good idea to re-calibrate your battery to make sure you aren't getting wrong readings of your battery.
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Thanks for the suggestion. The new battery isn't OEM, so a calibration might be in order. I downloaded an app and I'll try it out later today when I can charge my phone back to 100%.
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nuclearbroccoli said:
Thanks for the suggestion. The new battery isn't OEM, so a calibration might be in order. I downloaded an app and I'll try it out later today when I can charge my phone back to 100%.
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The battstats.bin file that is deleted when "calibrating" the battery is located in /data. That said, just flashing a ROM wipes this file. Just make sure you flash on a full charge and all is well.
Be aware that there are several items that can be the culprit in the scenario. The charger, cable, port, charging circuitry and battery are all part of this setup. Try to swap out as many of these items as you can until you narrow it down, if reflashing doesn't help.
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The battstats.bin file that is deleted when "calibrating" the battery is located in /data. That said, just flashing a ROM wipes this file. Just make sure you flash on a full charge and all is well.
Be aware that there are several items that can be the culprit in the scenario. The charger, cable, port, charging circuitry and battery are all part of this setup. Try to swap out as many of these items as you can until you narrow it down, if reflashing doesn't help.
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I'm a little confused about how some of those would factor in.
The drain only happens when the screen is on, and the brightness is turned up beyond about 25%.
It's not that the phone won't charge, its that it does it slowly, and the display is using waaay more power than it should be.
Screen off=1%/h battery drain.
Screen on lowest brightness=20%/h
Screen on highest brightness=120%/h
Although the problem might be resolved now. I have the screen set to max and my charge hasn't started at all while I've been typing this out.
Guess I'll see hours the day goes, but it would appear that the battery calibration did the trick.
*EDIT*
Nope. Still draining too fast. According to the battery drain app, I'm still losing 120%/h on a higher brightness setting.
Time to back up my apps and try reflashing my Rom I guess...
This sucks.
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Update: Tried my wife's battery in my phone, same crazy drain, so that excludes the battery for sure.
Did a restore, unfortunately got stupid and only backed up my downloaded apps, so 36 updates later and one manual genius button apk install and I'm back to where I was minus a few notepad notes...
Battery use still seemed high at first, but I think it was swapping the batteries around with two different charge levels that threw off the tracking. I actually seem to be back to normal now. Battery use is nowhere near what it was, even on a medium brightness setting.
Conclusion: Glitch in the OS. Restore did the trick.
Thanks to all for the assistance. Hopefully this helps someone else down the road.
Edit: Spoke too soon. Issue continues. Has to be the phone itself at this point.
Sad... I liked this phone.
Oh well, I guess I have an excuse to buy an Amaze now. Thanks again for the suggestions.
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Btw. I believe I have answered the question on how many times you can get away with dropping this phone: 11.
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