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How to update preinstalled apps?

If i check in the market to update the Youtube app, or Google maps, it says its not even installed because i didnt get it from the market but it came preinstalled.
So how would one go about updating these apps?

SupremeBeaver said:
If i check in the market to update the Youtube app, or Google maps, it says its not even installed because i didnt get it from the market but it came preinstalled.
So how would one go about updating these apps?
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Works fine for me since day one.
If app that came with the phone matches the version on Market, it just says "Installed" without me installing it manually.
If Market version is higher, it says "Update" and lets me download an update and install it.

for me, if i search youtube or google maps it says "Install"..
I just installed the youtube app and now it appears to have installed over the one i had previously..

Same here. Installed FB, Twitter, YouTube etc and they installed over the pre-installed versions.

SupremeBeaver said:
for me, if i search youtube or google maps it says "Install"..
I just installed the youtube app and now it appears to have installed over the one i had previously..
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Yeah, that's normal too.

I found the same to be true. What I did to make sure I get any updates for what came pre-installed is I looked up each app in the Market, and if I found it, but it did not say "Installed", I installed it, so now all my apps are linked to the Market, and will get updated when needed. Otherwise you will be stuck with the version that came on the phone forever.

Same with me the pre installed apps dont seem to be recogni8zed as installed by the Market i have had to download facebook, youtube etc like other DHD users

For me, only Adobe Reader & Flash were not recognized. Manually installed Reader and I froze Flash with Titanium Backup so didn't update that one.

Titanium backup can on rooted devices, at least, integrate newer updates into the ROM via batch menu

SupremeBeaver said:
If i check in the market to update the Youtube app, or Google maps, it says its not even installed because i didnt get it from the market but it came preinstalled.
So how would one go about updating these apps?
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I was noticing the same thing a moments ago...
so, can I safely install the update over the current?
Will this prevent to get any system update?
thank you in advance for the answers ( 1st time android user xD )

Salv0 said:
I was noticing the same thing a moments ago...
so, can I safely install the update over the current?
Will this prevent to get any system update?
thank you in advance for the answers ( 1st time android user xD )
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i installed it over the preinstalled ones and it works fine.
Im not too sure about this preventing system updates though. But i did notice that if you go into Settings>Applications>Manage Aplications then find the app there, there is an option to undo the update incase it blocks system updates.

SupremeBeaver said:
i installed it over the preinstalled ones and it works fine.
Im not too sure about this preventing system updates though. But i did notice that if you go into Settings>Applications>Manage Aplications then find the app there, there is an option to undo the update incase it blocks system updates.
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oh! cool thanks

Salv0 said:
I was noticing the same thing a moments ago...
so, can I safely install the update over the current?
Will this prevent to get any system update?
thank you in advance for the answers ( 1st time android user xD )
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It doesn't block system updates as updates to apps never touch system partition and OTA only checks system partition for consistency.

Eddie1506 said:
It doesn't block system updates as updates to apps never touch system partition and OTA only checks system partition for consistency.
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unless you use Titanium to integrate the updates into the ROM, I do this to keep things simple as I don't really like having two versions of the program on my device unneccesarily, but even in this case the system updates overwrite the /system partition anyway

ghostofcain said:
unless you use Titanium to integrate the updates into the ROM, I do this to keep things simple as I don't really like having two versions of the program on my device unneccesarily, but even in this case the system updates overwrite the /system partition anyway
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Yes, integrating updates from Titanum Backup touches /system partition, but regular Market updates don't.

I've run into a bug with the new youtube app. If you have a video loading and let the screen come off. After unlocking it, the video lags a lot doesnt respond to touches. You can exit out of the app but then the audio of the video doesnt stop playing. No choice but to restart the phone. This happened to me twice this morning.
Do you guys think this is a bug with the youtube app or maybe the Desire HD because i recall the preintalled youtube app had a major bug as well on the DHD.

[Q] How Do You Prevent \Nook From Updating?

How do you stop the B&N firmware updates?
I’m running 1.0.0 and have no desire to have my Nook updated and lose all my hard work.
I’ve had it one day and I have rooted, installed Market, downloaded tons of apps that work on my DX and don’t have any issues yet.
Even the Demo of NFS Shift works on this thing!
Just say no to an update.

I searched xda a few days ago and found this way to prevent updates (I changed the words a bit in my personal notes) - I can take no credit for this method...
To disable OTA (over the air) updates:
Change the name of this file: otacerts.zip to anything else
To do this, get root explorer ($3) from the market
Run root explorer
Go to etc/security/otacerts.zip
Hit the little mount button near the top to change r/w to r/o
Rename the file otacerts.zip to otacerts.zip_DISABLED_OTA_UPDATES
Hit the little mount button again to change r/o back to r/w
Hopefully this will do the trick.

I'm rooted on 1.0.0 as well and have been for a few days now. I haven't been updated OTA to 1.0.1 at all. I read somewhere that once your'e rooted, OTA doesn't work. Is that true? Or should I take this precautionary step as well?

Do a titanium backup and don't worry about it either way...
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Don't do the above if you use the B&N Store. It'll cause your device to reset.

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Mikroft said:
Don't do the above if you use the B&N Store. It'll cause your device to reset.
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Thanks for the heads up. I've already got a Titanium backup on my apps so I should be ok if mine resets. I'll leave mine as is for the time being.

tech_head said:
How do you stop the B&N firmware updates?
I’m running 1.0.0 and have no desire to have my Nook updated and lose all my hard work.
I’ve had it one day and I have rooted, installed Market, downloaded tons of apps that work on my DX and don’t have any issues yet.
Even the Demo of NFS Shift works on this thing!
Just say no to an update.
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So why didn't you update to 1.0.1 as suggested in the nookdevs wiki?

Mikroft said:
Don't do the above if you use the B&N Store. It'll cause your device to reset.
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1- Does "do the above" refer to changing the name of the OTA file or does it refer to making a Titanium backup? (I assume the first?)
2- Does "if you use the B&N Store" refer to shopping for a book on wifi or going into a physical B&N store?
So... our choice is to stop an update and loose the store or get the update and possibly lose our root?

barbo said:
1- Does "do the above" refer to changing the name of the OTA file or does it refer to making a Titanium backup? (I assume the first?)
2- Does "if you use the B&N Store" refer to shopping for a book on wifi or going into a physical B&N store?
So... our choice is to stop an update and loose the store or get the update and possibly lose our root?
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As in don't do the OTA file modification above if you use the B&N online store on the Nook. I don't think it's been proven either that the file mod absolutely prevents an update as sometimes it differs per device. I have the file modded but I don't use the B&N online store.

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Good topic. It would be great if one of this forums many great developers could solve this conundrum. Many of us who have rooted our NookColors would like to retain the rooted status but be able to use the B&N store without fear of unrooting the NC.

Mikroft said:
As in don't do the OTA file modification above if you use the B&N online store on the Nook. I don't think it's been proven either that the file mod absolutely prevents an update as sometimes it differs per device. I have the file modded but I don't use the B&N online store.
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I had the file modded and I was able to use the store to buy books just fine.

I changed the file name on 12/17 to stop updates . I "Shop" several times a week. No issues at all.

SCIONTX said:
I changed the file name on 12/17 to stop updates . I "Shop" several times a week. No issues at all.
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SCIONTX and KitF, do you have titanium backup installed? In another thread, someone is thinking the problem might be due to installing and/or using titanium backup.

Explanation of how to avoid forced B&N Reset when using Titanium backup / restore
barbo said:
SCIONTX and KitF, do you have titanium backup installed? In another thread, someone is thinking the problem might be due to installing and/or using titanium backup.
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To the best of my knowledge, as is also discussed in the other thread on the B&N forced reset + Titanium ...
A B&N forced reset will occur if you restore an old login registration certificate for your device. This would occur if you make a full Titanium backup (including various system settings), de-register your Nook Color, (wipe, etc.), re-register (this creates a new certificate in on the Nook and in the B&N Shop itself associated with your B&N login), and then restore "too much" using Titanium.
The solution (so far) is to be very selective as to what you restore with Titanium ... i.e., I avoided restoring "anything" remotely system settings for B&N , whisper, shop, sync, etc.. There likely is only one "settings" to be avoided, but I don't know which one.
Side note: I also read that having a mismatch between your Google login and your B&N Login can confuse the B&N server and force a reset. This one does not make as much sense to me.

OK folks,please forgive me if the following questions have been answered already. I just need some clarification.
I recently side loaded apps to my NT,including Launcher Pro and Button savior so I can recal the NT launcher if I need to. I boot into Launcher Pro and I like the interface and ability to see all of my sideloaded apps in a grid view instead of having to do a search via the NT's launcher.So am I right in assuming that,technically, I have not rooted my NT? If this is the case,how do I avoid the OTA updates? As of last night,Dec 29th,I was still able to install apps and have them launch and run just fine. I really don't want the firmware update! Can someone just clarify the steps I need to take as I don't know if the work around discussed here applies to me.

meshica7 said:
[...] I recently side loaded apps to my NT,including Launcher Pro and Button savior so I can recal the NT launcher if I need to.
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Nook TABLET (NT) or Nook COLOR (NC)? They are different devices.
If you're able to install apps from the Market, it does sounds as if you've rooted properly. I blocked updates on my NC and my wife's NT using the SQLite database edit, and have not had any problems with recent updates.

I'm very interested in this topic as I'm preparing to noot my Nook Color. But I feel that I've missed something. How do you block updates "using the SQLite database edit"?

[Q] what are the advantages and disadvantages of rooting and are there any risks?

Could somebody please tell me what the advantages and disadvantages of rooting the flipside are, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, are there any risks??
Will I be able to take of all of these ATT apps?
Will I be able to move my apps from the phones memory to the SD card?
Can the phone be unrooted?
Will all of my apps still work?
What is the best route to root? I have the z4root.
I am much indebted to anyone who will answer these questions. Thanks.

z4root will work fine, it's nice an easy to use. Rooting won't give you an easy way to move apps to the sd card, but you can remove the AT&T (and other system) apps. You can either do it by hand, or with any number of apps on the market. I prefer titanium backup, personally. All of your existing apps will work, there's no change there.
The only real disadvantage is that you'll have the power to screw up your phone. You can potentially screw up bad enough that you'll need to reflash the stock .sbf file. Generally, this takes some real screwing around, but just thought I'd point it out.

Thank u for your thourough answer. What do you mean by screw it up. How could I do that and how do i avoid it. Are you saying by virtue of the fact that i'm rooting that i'll screw it up, or it's something that i may do afterwards that may do it? Thanks.
also, are there any other advantages to rooting other than taking off the apps?

The act of rooting itself shouldn't screw anything up, but having root means you could possibly do something later that would. Generally, you'd have to be messing with stuff you have no business messing with. With root, you can remount the system directory as read/write, and then end up deleting or modifying a file that won't let the phone boot, which means you'd need to reflash. Stay away from the command line if you don't know what you're doing, and don't grant root access to apps you don't trust, and you're reasonably safe.
Other than removing system apps, like the AT&T garbage, you can also backup and restore apps and their data, which is great for if you need to reflash, if you switch phones, etc. There's not a TON of stuff that requires root, but honestly, removing the AT&T junk is definitely a good reason to root, the phone feels much faster after scrapping a lot of the blur and AT&T stuff.

I'm assuming then that any android/att/Motorola updates will not be problem either? BTW, do you if and when Motorola will bupdating the flipside to 2.2? Thanks.

There shouldn't be any problem updating with an official update if/when we get one, but you'll need to re-root and remove the AT&T stuff again. There's no word on when we'll get 2.2, but I'd assume we'll get it at some point.

Ok. I just rooted! Yeah, it worked! But i cannot figue out how to delete the att bloatware. I go into the apps manager and click on one of the att apps, and there is still no option to uninstall; only to clear the cache. Also, I downloaded the titanium and I cannot figure out how to do it from there either. Plus, I still had to sideload the titanium which i tbought that i would not have to do once i rooted.

mordechai said:
Plus, I still had to sideload the titanium which i tbought that i would not have to do once i rooted.
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You need to enable Unknown Sources before you can install non-Market apps
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=867637
This is also an example of how you can mess up your phone by having root access.

That is part of the problem that i do not have that option in two.one. that is why i had to sideload all of those programs. are you saying that i screwed up my phone. i tried clicking on the link but this googlw ad comes up and i cant get past it.

Ok, i got through to the link. But the guy seems pretty shaky as to whether you should follow his instructions. Is this legit or what?

Maybe one of you guys can help. I'm new to alot of this but my last droid x was rooted and it was great I used z4root worked perfectly. But now I have a new X and a z4root apk. On my laptop, now what? Last rooted X, I was fortunate enough to catch z4root on the market, like a day before they updated. HELP!!!!!
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There are instructions in another post in this forum on how to enable Non-Market Apps, also known as Unknown Sources. With Titanium Backup, make sure that you grant it root permissions when it asks, and that it says something like this on the overview:
Root access: OK (BusyBox 1.17.2 from system)
HyperShell (FAST!): YES
Fast/Auto app install: Yes (using HyperShell)
SQLite: YES (SQLite 3.7.2 included)
Then just click on Backup/Restore at the top, and you'll get a list of all your apps. If you don't have backup/restore at the top, your sd card isn't mounted on the phone, unplug your usb cable and hit Menu > More > Reload application.
From Backup/Restore, you get a huge list of all the apps on your phone. Just scroll down to the AT&T stuff, tap them, and click uninstall in the top-right corner. If you're not sure if you want to uninstall something, because it might belong to something important, click Freeze instead. Freezing will stop the app from running, and stop it from showing up in your tray, but you can easily unfreeze it to restore it if it turns out it was important.
Here's the list of stuff I have frozen/uninstalled:
AdService 1.0
all of the "AT&T" apps
all of the "com.motorola" apps
Data Manager and Data Manager Service
Help Center
Home (I use ADWLauncher, don't remove this if you don't already have an alternative launcher installed)
MediaSync
Mobile Video
all of the "MotoBlur" apps
My Uploads
Phone Portal
Quick Contact
Social Messaging, Social Messaging Service, Social Networking, and Social Status
Sticky Note
Video Editor Lite
Vlingo Voice
Weather 2.1
WHERE
Work Contacts
Mobile Banking
Magic Smoke Wallpapers
Kodak Perfect Touch
AT&T Address Book
Quickoffice
YPmobile
As for enabling unknown sources, it's a bit of a pain, you'll need to be comfortable with a command line to do replace the files, and comfortable with a hex editor if you want to edit your own instead of reusing someone else's files. I managed to screw up my phone in the process and had to completely reflash and start over, it wasn't fun.
His instructions do work, but his .sh file doesn't work, you'll need to paste the commands one by one into your command prompt. I preferred to edit my own files, so I wouldn't have the same market ID, and that's just slightly more complex. I can help you through it either way though, just make a post over in that thread if you're having problems.
bubba90744 said:
Maybe one of you guys can help. I'm new to alot of this but my last droid x was rooted and it was great I used z4root worked perfectly. But now I have a new X and a z4root apk. On my laptop, now what? Last rooted X, I was fortunate enough to catch z4root on the market, like a day before they updated. HELP!!!!!
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You just need to get z4root installed on your phone, it should be pretty straightforward. The Droid X shouldn't be blocking non-market apps, so just download it from your phone and run the .apk to install.

So do I hook my phone up to my laptop, and put the apk. on my sd?
Or download the apk. directly to my phone from the site?
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I found the link, but the directions are too complicated for my novice understanding of technology. It looks like I am stuck. I don't want to try what he's saying and take any chances. Are there any other alternatives? Or do you have any other suggestions as to how to make the most of the space that I do have with the att bloatware, because I am constantly running out of room. It is a strange phenomenon that I don't understand, that when I turn on the phone it will have around 40mb to play with, and after a few hours it is down to 16 and then 10, and then before I know it, the phone is telling me that my memory is full. So then I reset and it's back to ~40 again. Do you have an explanation? Thanks.

[GUIDE] Stop FOTA notifications (eg to avoid them unrooting your device)

If you are like me, then you won't blindly apply each OTA that ASUS gives us, since some of them may have undesired effects like 'unrooting' your device or locking it down further. Thus one sometimes wants to hold off updating until we know exactly what an update does and in the meantime I don't want to see the annoying notifications.
If you want to disable the FOTA update notifications, which keep popping up until you install them simply install Titanium Backup and free 'DMClient' in it. (You need to have your device rooted of course).

Bit late with this for me as I've done the updates. I'll keep doing them as they become released and be the guinea pig for info on the latest releases then. Hopefully some bright spark figures out how to unlock no matter which version is used. Fingers crossed someone finds the right NvFlash version soon.

[Apache14 = bright spark!]
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New root method found will be out ~30th (to avoid the next OTA)
This allows custom recovery + boot image being flashed to the device
So all you US users can relax
I still do not have a device tho
PS.
This method is a team effort so credit is split
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stridger said:
If you are like me, then you won't blindly apply each OTA that ASUS gives us, since some of them may have undesired effects like 'unrooting' your device or locking it down further. Thus one sometimes wants to hold off updating until we know exactly what an update does and in the meantime I don't want to see the annoying notifications.
If you want to disable the FOTA update notifications, which keep popping up until you install them simply install Titanium Backup and free 'DMClient' in it. (You need to have your device rooted of course).
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Works like a charm!
Just to add/confirm - free should be freeze i assume? Reboot is also required once youve frozen dmclient.

Highland3r said:
Works like a charm!
Just to add/confirm - free should be freeze i assume? Reboot is also required once youve frozen dmclient.
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How do we freeze ?
So read post again, got it now
Use Titanium backup
Steve

Titanium (free version) should let you freeze -
- Backup/Restore tab
- Short Click on app (long click gives an additional menu)
- Select Freeze
- Reboot.
Paul @Modaco also has an app called "easyFreezy" (paid) which I'd imagine does the same job. Haven't checked personally, but DMClient should be present under system apps.

Sweet, didnt know TB had this function, too
greetz

How to prevent updates?

Ok, they keep updating and breaking root. I hear droidwall will block it.
But what is the name I should be blocking?
Or is there a better way to stop auto updating?

Delete OTACERTS.zip in system/etc/security. You must enable r/w and have root.
When I did It, it downloaded the update in front of me but didn't update. Then I deleted the update. Now i'm still on 6.2.1 and Loving It.

Molinari said:
Ok, they keep updating and breaking root. I hear droidwall will block it.
But what is the name I should be blocking?
Or is there a better way to stop auto updating?
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I did the otacerts.zip thing mentioned above (moved to sdcard and renamed to otacerts.bak).
However, just to be safe I am also using droidwall. With droidwall, I started out by blocking everything (default) and then unblocked things when they would not work (use the log to see what is being blocked). Be sure to actually enable the blocking and the logs (they are off by default). Some things you can be unblocked ahead of time like Market and Browser. The only potential issue with using droidblocker is that whatever is used for the OTA update might also be used by something else that needs to be unblocked.

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I did the otacerts.zip thing mentioned above (moved to sdcard and renamed to otacerts.bak).
However, just to be safe I am also using droidwall. With droidwall, I started out by blocking everything (default) and then unblocked things when they would not work (use the log to see what is being blocked). Be sure to actually enable the blocking and the logs (they are off by default). Some things you can be unblocked ahead of time like Market and Browser. The only potential issue with using droidblocker is that whatever is used for the OTA update might also be used by something else that needs to be unblocked.
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Droidwall Doesnt work, I tried that on the 6.1 to 6.2 update because I did not want to risk a potential update. That was before we knew of the ota updates.

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Droidwall Doesnt work, I tried that on the 6.1 to 6.2 update because I did not want to risk a potential update. That was before we knew of the ota updates.
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What were you blocking? I've only got about 6 things on my white list (not blocked). Half are market related. In any case even if it doesn't work for OTA updates, I find some apps to be a bit too 'chatty' (looking at the logs). So it does work at blocking 'unnecessary' wifi traffic.

Thanks for the rename tip!

I am still avoiding the 6.2.2 update (only time can tell, last time mine was updated about 1 week after the first posting about forced updates ...)
I am running the rooted version of 6.2.1. I flashed this after losing root from the 6.2.1 forced update.
This time I only did two "mods" for protection -
(1) un-register from Amazon (actually I never register during ROM installation)
(2) use Droidwall
I dunno which one will make me survive the forced update, but I suspect it may / will be #(1).
I only allow a few things to go through Droidwall, most of them are 3rd party apps' names. The only two additional processes necessary for normal functions are:
(1) downloads, media storage, DRM protected content storage, download manager (needed for Market downloads)
(2) search (for Google search)
The one I always worry about in Droidwall is obviously #(1). I certainly do not let things like Amazon device client platform (ADCP) to go through!
This is just my Droidwall setup. People using other apps may need to allow other Android processes through therefore I cannot guarantee Amazon update won't sneak through that way.
I only know about the otacerts.zip when I revisited the forum yesterday afte reading elsewhere about the new OTA update. This time I won't modify this file on purpose.
(fingers crossed for me, I am not out of the woods yet)
P.S. Feb 2nd and I am still clean, looks like I dodged it!