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[Q] Xoom or Galaxy Tab 10.1?

Hey All Geeks
So, i decided that it's time to get a tablet, and finally found that Android 3.0 is the long-awaited, dream OS for me. But here is where the problem kicks in (Bad English?). Xoom and GTab2 (Easier name) are bothi running the almighty Honeycomb... so now i'm confused which one to get? i've been thinking for a week now, but my experience isn't as your (Geeker people and Devs ) experience and i thought i would ask you if you don't mind. So, far what i want is: Continuous Development ( because i'm NOT a Dev so i'm putting my faith in you guys and going with the tab you're choosing)
Extra's:
Pro's of Gtab2:
Design is Gorgeous...
Light weight...
Con's of Gtab2:
No SD Card
No MicroUSB
Pro's of Xoom:
MicroUSB
SD Card
Con's of Xoom:
Typical Design (not really bad but not innovative)
bad rear camera position
In short:
I DO want the GTab2 for the Design BUT will i regret getting that for the missing of Micro USB (which is my most concern) and SD Card (Which isn't REALLY bad but bad)
Q2: Which one will have MORE development (assumption)?
(for Xoom Forum): UNLOCKABLE Bootloader means ONLY for Devs? if so, as a normal human (xD JK JK) will i be able to do custom ROMs?
Help!

LOL the Topic i posted at Xoom forum is really ALIVE (better development sign?) BUT the winning device isn't the Xoom xD it's actually the GTab2 lol IF ONLY SAMSUNG included SD Card slot and MicroUSB T_T Or IF MOTO improved the design and provided 1080p recording and playback that would be THE PERFECT Device and they would OWN the market with either devices... but PERFECTION is even BEYOND IMPOSSIBLE

Very long debate...
I'm getting a tab. Its beautiful, deving will be there, not like tab 1, and its going to kick ass.

I have to say that now having two of these tablets to choose from I am really torn :-(.
I love Moto specs and Samsung looks.
To be completely honest because of that I am already very disappointed with both.
My major fear is that if I will buy one of them I will have this disturbing and annoying thought at the back of my head that I made a mistake... should have gone for the other one It is not good considering the price of both devices... with this kind of money one should have 150% of satisfaction.
Moto... Samsung.... I HATE YOU BOTH! :-(

devil snake said:
Q2: Which one will have MORE development (assumption)?
(for Xoom Forum): UNLOCKABLE Bootloader means ONLY for Devs? if so, as a normal human (xD JK JK) will i be able to do custom ROMs?
Help!
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Speaking as Nexus One and Nexus S owner, I can say that the power of 'fastboot oem unlock' is a force to be reckoned with...
That said, this is XDA, and you can be sure that both will be hacked and modded. Since they're so similar in terms of specs and quality, I would go with the prettier one, but that's just me. The USB issue isn't that bad, the last I heard about the issue was that it had USB functionality through its dock port--meaning you just need a special cable.

I do not mind USB in the dock. I do not see many thing I would have to connect to tablet directly. HDMI I also do not care about - it is a mobile device for me to watch and surf on the go, not a local NAS player. But lack of SD card support seems like a very big issue and not only to me (everywhere I look ppl are complaining about this).
What I would love is to see an explanation from Samsung why??? What was the logical process behind this decision not to include this port. Hey, SAMSUNG, please tell us why?

Maybe Honeycomb can't handle more then 32GB of storage. And the Tab have 32GB internal memory already.
The XOOM have a sd card slot. Only problem is that is not activated when you buy it. So maybe Android is not compatible whit more memory then 32GB.
I personally have problem to decide witch one to get. Witch one of does have the best screen? And will GT be Xvid certified?
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Well, form me this device was about (mainly) about media consumption. I do have Asus 1201N bot it is just tu big... but my Wife's NC10 cant play the movies I do watch.
Tablet that I will buy has to give me access to Hulu (free) as PC does. Has to work on batteries for approx. 8h (that is why I do not have tablet with Windows, as I said I already have netbook) and play divix (all kinds) nicely. Since I do go for holidays (from time to time) and I plan to use built in camera I need storage space
32GB is simply not enough and since Xoom has problem with playing 720p videos (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=968308&page=3) I am simply devastated. I did not buy an iPad (because of the issues above), I am waiting for over a year and what... nothing :-(.
Please tell me I am wrong

I almost jumped on the Xoom train yesterday.... They had a 25% off glitch coupon going and I missed it by like 5 - 10 minutes.

Don't worry... 2nd of March they will get a first reason to lower prices (a bit). I expect Apple to laugh (in a laud matter) at all those things that were supposed to give us an iPad killer and are not with us yet . And if thing will continue to go the way they do with Honeycomb and Xoom (more and more issues + more features "coming soon"). Ppl will refuse to pay $800 for something that is "almost" ready
Do you think (since hardware is the same) GT10.1 will have the same problem with playback of video as Xoom has (everyone is complaining about it!!!)? It would make him bigger than GT1 and worse :-(.
For Tegra 2, 2h of video that works on tegra 2 takes approx. 8GB of storage... this is unacceptable :-(
Links you might want to take a look at (seems all tablets with T2 inside are useless as an mobile entertainment device):
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4144/...ra-2-review-the-first-dual-core-smartphone/14
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4181/...-a9s-coming-to-smartphonestablets-this-year/3
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=968640
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=970428
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=968640
Seems that issue is with 720p as well :-(

Concerning video playback I think Samsung does a better job. Like on the galaxy s, where they play a lot of video files with no additional software, meaning they included the necessary codecs.

Is the lack of SD card slot a sure thing? I suppose in the videos there is no visible slot along the sides...in my daydreams you can screw the samsung logo off the back and reveal the hidden sd slot! A guy can dream?
Daydream update: Since the logo is big, when you screw it off, there's actually 2 sd card slots. Yeah! Not deluding myself at all.

I am afraid it is :-(.
First I fell in love with Xoom and than I saw Galaxy Tab 10.1 OMG i looks awesome...
But now reality strikes... no sd card slot... and since you can not play (straight away) stuff you can download... GOD! I was so hoping to swap my netbook fro tablet :-(
This is especially painful as in all ads and information that is exactly what you are being offered. Not a word that video support is limited compared to what last years netbooks and older tablets (Archos 101, Galaxy Tab) can do :-(
At the moment (if above will get confirmed, and it will :-( ) I am thinking again about tablet with windows on-board (although I really hate this idea as I do not need BIG system in a device like this) or hoping for 10" Playbook.
Both Xoom and GT10.1 so close to perfection... ehh :-(

Soyou are saying that neither Samsung Gtab 10.1 nor the Xoom can play video like the Samsung Galaxy S i9000?

Tegra 2 can not play high profile mkv videos and this is one of the most popular formats to download HD stuff...
Go to rslinks.org or other sites and see what you can get... without spenidng extra time for re-encoding it will not play :-(
I got over 500GB stuff on my NAS drive - no way I will waist time to change format of that all just so I will be able to spend 700 euro
Idea for me was that it will be able to replace my netbook and will give me longer bat. life. Well it can not :-( And it is twice as expensive. Because iPad do/did only part of what I require I haven't bought it.. same here. You can (well.. you will be able to) watch flash but videos only in specific format. Who has time for that?
One would think that what we are talking about is pretty basic stuff and I thought that was the main idea behind tablets:
- web browsing on the go like at home
- full multimedia support
- long battery life
- limited weight
Something that has not been offered so far (windows tablets - limited batt. life, iPad - other limitations .

Correct.
You forget one point: acceptable price point ( i think the honeycomb tablets are a little to expensvie)
And one negative point for windows tablets: often they have a fan

I dont mind the price... it is the same as the iPad. I understand that for a gadget like that you pay Premium - OK. (of course if it would be free I wouldn't complain! .
I do know about fan in the Windows tablets... I got Asus 1201N that gets really hot sometimes... tablet with fan is out of the questions (imagine to shake a hand with someone after watching a movie!)
Another thing is that "BIG" stuff i do on desktop any way so I do not need full windows (heavy system) on a tablet.... I do not need photoshop or dwg editor. But I want web pages to look like they are supposed, I want to read without magnify glass, I want to watch a movie (without thinking before if it will work), listen to music, look at the pictures, etc... Just normal things Maybe play a game once in a while...

I was also considering one of these two tablets, but then i found the Acer Iconia A500. It has the same specs as Xoom and Galaxy 10.1, but WITH MicroUSB, SD Slot and HDMI. And, from what I can see, around half the price!!
Well, if all this is true, I know what I'm getting!!!

If this thing does not have USB port, how can we sync or copy files to the internal memory?
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It will have USB connectivity through the propriety port, and I would be surprised if there won't be a dock that offers hdmi connectivity also.
We also have to wait and see if samsung will offer an accessory like the iPad and xoom (or soon to be introduced) that can be plugged into the propriety port allowing sd cards to be connected or even an external USB drive. I really hope so. That would be ideal.
The tab 10.1 doesn't have all the ports we want built into the unit, but there is a benefit of that......the weight and size is notably reduced, far lighter than any of the upcoming tablets.
The weight is a big thing for me as I currently carry my iPad around in a small bag and any weight loss would be welcome

[Q] Still worth buying?

Hi guys,
I've just got my first taste of android on a tablet (disgo 8100) and I've sold that for a decent profit, so I'm looking at buying myself a bit of a better tablet. I like the look of the advent vega but I have heard about various gripes such as screen angle and touch screen not being amazing.
So, is the vega still worth buying? I'm after something that:
Has a decent hacking community
Can run emulators well
Can support multiple usb devices through a usb host+ usb hub
Hdmi out (full mirroring)
Run apps quickly.
I'm after a tablet that I can mod, that's still getting updates (community or official) that I can play games in, and use six axis controller via blue tooth etc.
Hope you guys can help me, I don't want to put 100 quid down on a second hand tablet when something could be better for me
Cheers,
Leigh

Yes, the screen angle is pretty terrible! It's like 10% LOL!
Yeah, the touch screen is pretty terrible too! It shows in Fruit Ninja where the slice is 1cm behind your finger and in internet browser where touch is just not fluid.
About the HDMI I don't know if I have a faulty cable or something but when I mirror my tablet's screen it appears like it would output a 360p image instead of 1080p. I can see tiny squares on my 46" 1080p LED TV! The picture is just horrible I'd rather just use an USB stick or use DLNA.
Hacking community on XDA and tabletroms is top notch (don't know how's on other tablets, tho).
I don't know how are emulators working, but apps run pretty quickly and "smooth" (touch spoils that a bit).
I never heard complaints about usb hubs, just use one that has an external power source (just in case).
In the end it all depends in how good condition your tablet will be and at what price.
There are probably tons of same spec tablets in your local shop that are also pretty cheap and there is also a chinese website aliexpress where you can order your cheap noname tablet online, but warranty might cause you problems later on.
I know that those generic chinese tablets have generic ROMs somewhere on the internet that include english language, play store and root, but I don't have any links, sorry.

Hi,
I recently purchased an Advent Vega and flashed the last beta of VegaBean, and I am feeling it a little slow. There is a lot of lag switching between apps, and when I install an app it is damn slow for some seconds. I am using a generic 8GB microSD card, and I think that might be the problem. Using a class 10 card could make the tablet work more fluid?

princado said:
Hi,
I recently purchased an Advent Vega and flashed the last beta of VegaBean, and I am feeling it a little slow. There is a lot of lag switching between apps, and when I install an app it is damn slow for some seconds. I am using a generic 8GB microSD card, and I think that might be the problem. Using a class 10 card could make the tablet work more fluid?
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iam sorry but my experience is No!
but if you have opportunity it is better to try it mate! Try and see if it works for you..
and for those who still uses vega i must say i prefer ICS, less lags, less slowness feeling..

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iam sorry but my experience is No!
but if you have opportunity it is better to try it mate! Try and see if it works for you..
and for those who still uses vega i must say i prefer ICS, less lags, less slowness feeling..
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Thanks for the tip. Still I bought a cheap S*ms*ng class 10 microsd to see if it improves the experience, if it doesn't work I will probably sell the tablet and use the microsd with my cellphone

Only if you can get the tablet really cheap. Better tablets are quite cheap nowadays.

For £49 you can buy a much better Archos Cobalt 80 tablet.
1.6Ghz Dual Core CPU, 1GB RAM, preloaded ICS.
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what tablet should i get?

i wanted to get a surface rt, but it wasn't able to play minecraft
What other Windows 8 Tablet do you think i could get for about <$600
Thank You :good:

The only tablets that will run minecraft playably would be those powered by an i5 processor and cost closer to $1000 not 600.
600 will get an Intel atom based tablet and that's it. Slightly better than the version in netbooks but still essentially netbook hardware. I do know 3 people who happily play minecraft on netbooks but they have to use optifine light, tiny render and one of them insists on using a reduced colour depth texture pack (which makes little difference). Even so they only achieve about 20fps, the nether lags unplayably, rain causes lay and TNT is dangerous to their frame rates. They are using 1.3 and 1.6ghz dual cores, these windows 8 tablets get an updated (read faster) version of the atom at 1.8ghz instead so will cope better but don't expect to be installing mods (other than optifine) or hd textures or render distances further than tiny or short.
If your intention is to spend $600 on something to play minecraft on, don't get a tablet. $600 will get a far more powerful laptop or an even more powerful desktop. For the same price as my desktop here in the UK (capable of 140fps minecraft, far render, fancy graphics etc) you can only get atom based tablets. For the same price as my desktop you can get a 15" laptop capable of 50fps on far render.
if you do want an atom based tablet, the standard option is the Asus vivotab smart (me400c I think is the designation, not sure), its a 10" unit, capacitative touch only (no fancy stylus basically) and no keyboard dock although they do offer a wallet style case which features a stand and an area to clip an optional Bluetooth keyboard to. It is probably the cheapest tablet you will find for windows 8, a YouTube user called robaxx has uploaded several reviews for the tablet. All atom based tablets have identical specs apart from whether they offer an active stylus or a keyboard dock.

I have acer w500 with Windows 8 pro - works perfectly - I have played Settlers 7, Minecraft and a few of the xbox store games no problem
Not sure what fps I get on it - I have a ps3 and xbox360 which I prefer over pc gaming so Im not too concerned about playing anything heavy duty
The only gripe I have, is the lack of memory - My W500 only has a 32GB ssd, this is nearly all used up with the install size of Windows 8 alone
I have 32gb SD card which I have moved a lot of stuff too and 3 external usb hard drives I carry about with me filled with data but I would appreciate the tablet more if it even had 128GB ssd instead

You can check the fps by pressing f3, gives alot of info on the debug screen. If it is playing nicely then that is good news.
I am personally going for the atom based tablets myself but I already have a powerful desktop for gaming. Playing minecraft or anything else would only be a bonus.

thanks guys for the help!
i was looking at the asus vivo tab smart (me400c) it looks ok
still lookin as to what to settle on

I have two win8 tablets. The first I got was the Samsung Ativ which I really like but it wasn't perfect for work because the size made it difficult to carry around and portrait mode was awkward for note taking. I just got the Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet 2 which is a 10.1 inch device with is the perfect size and weight for note taking. So I guess it depends on your needs but for me I like both options. I use the larger device at home and the smaller at work and for travel.
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There is also the Dell Latitude ST, a 10 in. Atom tablet and the only one in the market that have a REMOVABLE battery. Sorry I don't play games so I can't comment on games, but if other Atom tablet can play games then the Dell Latitude ST should be fine.

I dot Vivo Tab TF810c and I am perfectly happy with it. If you got any questions - shoot.

thanks so much! it's so hard to choose
i just wish the microsft surface wasn't "RT" it looks so nice!
and i like the Asus tivo smart (me400c) but it doesn't have a full USB port

With Vivo Tab you can get 2 full USB ports in dock.
And batt. life is amazing - I charge it once a week (just in case, not that it needs it - but I just feel guilty...) and use it every evening.

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I dot Vivo Tab TF810c and I am perfectly happy with it. If you got any questions - shoot.
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looks like but about $300 over my price, i can afford that but i don't know if i wanna spend that much on a tablet

Well, I had the same problem as Vivo Tab is.... pricey...
Right now I do not regret a single penny spend on this device (Is still have iPad 3G and had Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 for a while).
It is amazing how it is built, and how Atom nice works inside. Always cool, with nice keyboard dock (battery life already mentioned). Thin, light and does everything I need.
It will stay with me for next few years,,,

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Well, I had the same problem as Vivo Tab is.... pricey...
Right now I do not regret a single penny spend on this device (Is still have iPad 3G and had Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 for a while).
It is amazing how it is built, and how Atom nice works inside. Always cool, with nice keyboard dock (battery life already mentioned). Thin, light and does everything I need.
It will stay with me for next few years,,,
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i gotta find a store that sells it cheap here, only one store i can think of is Harvey Norman but they want $1086 That's diffently abit much, for a tablet as my macbook air suits me fine

I paid in Poland 3799 zl this is a bit over $1100 (with 2 yr warranty included).

galtom said:
I paid in Poland 3799 zl this is a bit over $1100 (with 2 yr warranty included).
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wow, i suppose i could buy one from USA Asus Vivo Tab TF810C $809 I'd assume it'd work in Australia i'd just need a different charger but if its just a normal USB charger thing i got hundreads of them anyway

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wow, i suppose i could buy one from USA Asus Vivo Tab TF810C $809 I'd assume it'd work in Australia i'd just need a different charger but if its just a normal USB charger thing i got hundreads of them anyway
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You get seperate charger + USB cable with "special" plaug for device. This means it can be used with any USB charger.

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You get seperate charger + USB cable with "special" plaug for device. This means it can be used with any USB charger.
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so perfect
how is the app development like is there alot of games etc avalible everyone on youtube complains there isn't anything availble not that i care just curious never used windows 8

I am not sure what you mean - it has normal Windows 8 on board so everything that is working on Win7 & 8 and probably 99% of software from Vista and XP will work on it.
If you are asking about Modern UI apps.. than check MS Store. In general apps for Modern UI are leisure apps - not for work but for relax - Netflix, Hulu Plus, some games, drawing apps, etc... work you do on normal apps in desktop mode.

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I am not sure what you mean - it has normal Windows 8 on board so everything that is working on Win7 & 8 and probably 99% of software from Vista and XP will work on it.
If you are asking about Modern UI apps.. than check MS Store. In general apps for Modern UI are leisure apps - not for work but for relax - Netflix, Hulu Plus, some games, drawing apps, etc... work you do on normal apps in desktop mode.
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yeah i meant the MS store sorry haha and cool

Oh... well. It is not perfect but it is growing daily.
Point is that because you can use normal apps on it even if MS Store lacks something it is not really an issue.
As there is ZERO such apps for XP, Vista and 7 and no one ever complained about it saying - look Windows suck because for iOS you got thousands of apps.
You will definitely find something cool for evening time!

So Huawei Tron just got announced

Its kinda cute in that its a direct rip design wise of the mac pro. Its not going to be likely sold outside China or in a wide release. So it'll probally be a geekbuying purchase for anyone who cares but it's go to sell for roughly $120 and has pretty much the exact same specs as the mojo. However it'll probally won't have the play store issue with not being able to download apps. In my experience with Chinese products they usually have a lot of glitches. Both of my minix neo x5's have plenty of software and hardware issues that make using them an adventure. but who knows this could be interesting. Exciting to see this market growing.
Only has 1 usb port though so that's a meh.

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Its kinda cute in that its a direct rip design wise of the mac pro. Its not going to be likely sold outside China or in a wide release. So it'll probally be a geekbuying purchase for anyone who cares but it's go to sell for roughly $120 and has pretty much the exact same specs as the mojo. However it'll probally won't have the play store issue with not being able to download apps. In my experience with Chinese products they usually have a lot of glitches. Both of my minix neo x5's have plenty of software and hardware issues that make using them an adventure. but who knows this could be interesting. Exciting to see this market growing.
Only has 1 usb port though so that's a meh.
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Yea, and only bt 3.0, and no sd card slot. Gah.

What about the vyper?
Interesting idea
"It’s actually a 7-inch tablet with a dock, so you’re really just streaming games to your TV via the tablet. That tablet has a 1280 x 800 resolution, 1GB RAM, and 8GB Memory. A 5MP rear shooter compliments a 2MP front camera, and a 1.6GHz quad-core processor keeps it all humming."
$250 with controller or $200 without.. I think it's really under spec'd
http://www.slashgear.com/snakebyte-vyper-hands-on-with-the-sleeper-hit-of-android-gaming-08312328/

@jjprichards Whoa, didn't even notice that it didn't have an SD card. Well I guess their saving money where they can and there's a number of reasons why its only 120$. But ouch.
@gwaldo, I'm always worried about tablet dock type setups for a tv gaming system, if only because the question arises on how the internal battery is being dealt with. If its always charging you're basically destroying it constantly, however if when its docked the battery stops getting used entirely it could be a pretty good product. Yea you're right a little overpriced for the specs. Quad Core specs are always weird like if its the same cpu as the x7 then the gpu is pretty meh, its the same one in the Samsung GS2.

dheku-00 said:
@jjprichards Whoa, didn't even notice that it didn't have an SD card. Well I guess their saving money where they can and there's a number of reasons why its only 120$. But ouch.
@gwaldo, I'm always worried about tablet dock type setups for a tv gaming system, if only because the question arises on how the internal battery is being dealt with. If its always charging you're basically destroying it constantly, however if when its docked the battery stops getting used entirely it could be a pretty good product. Yea you're right a little overpriced for the specs. Quad Core specs are always weird like if its the same cpu as the x7 then the gpu is pretty meh, its the same one in the Samsung GS2.
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At this point, I think its best to just wait for the tegra k1 shield 2, or micro-console.

dheku-00 said:
@jjprichards Whoa, didn't even notice that it didn't have an SD card. Well I guess their saving money where they can and there's a number of reasons why its only 120$. But ouch.
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Still, I'd rather buy that over an Ouya1 or Ouya2 or even Ouya3.. I liked the idea of Ouya but it was poorly executed.... and intentionally, I think of them as crammers now!
dheku-00 said:
@gwaldo, I'm always worried about tablet dock type setups for a tv gaming system, if only because the question arises on how the internal battery is being dealt with. If its always charging you're basically destroying it constantly, however if when its docked the battery stops getting used entirely it could be a pretty good product. Yea you're right a little overpriced for the specs. Quad Core specs are always weird like if its the same cpu as the x7 then the gpu is pretty meh, its the same one in the Samsung GS2.
dheku-00 said:
Yeah all the good tech now-days does continuously charge, so no issue there..
I guess your paying for the package, rather then having to source a tablet then a controller.
But yeah my cheap, 1 year old chinese tablet is better spec'ed and with the mojo ctlr travel clip, I imagine it's like a cheap shield experience
Surprisingly fun way to play.. like a 'full size' portable (big screen + real controller).. more intimate.. that must be the shield's appeal.
At this point, I think its best to just wait for the tegra k1 shield 2, or micro-console.
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Depends how far away it is, but when the cntrlr comes out, pick one up... you'll use it on everything but iOS
oh.. I really, want another one!
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I agree. The controller is really fantastic. Best gaming controller I've ever used, not even an exaggeration.

re the huaweis-tron:
http://www.slashgear.com/huaweis-tr...hands-on-with-chinas-answer-to-ouya-08312429/

It does have a microSD slot, it's ust in the bottom of the device (checkout engadget's pics for confirmation). But according to what engadget says it might (like I said, might) be facing some of the same play store limitations as the MOJO.
On the upside it has two clear advantages over the MOJO that I can see:
1) the ability to choose 16 OR 32GB of internal storage. As anyone with lots of games and heavy apps on an android device can tell you, 16GB is sometimes not enough (especially if you take into consideration that you only have about 12 or 25GB available to the end user since the same memory is used for the OS).
2) the controller has a headset jack so you can use it to listen to the audio (and to have conversations from what I could garner from the pics). I'm sorry, but the audiojack on the MOJO is not for headsets, even if it has mic support. The whole idea of the MOJO and devices like it, along with wireless controllers is the ability to sit more than three feet away from the console. If you're using the headphone/headset jack on the mojo you are a)not wireless, b)limited to 3 feet distance from the controller unless you buy a compatible extension cable (which from what I've seen never have mic support, only stereo).
The main things which will matter are
a) when will it become available
B) what version of android will it have
C) will it properly support external storage devices
D) What kind of Play store access will it actually have
Because generally I can live with the difference between BT3.0 and 4.0 (though I obviously prefer 4.0, it's not enough to sway my decision).
Honestly, I wish someone would comeo out with a device like these a top tier Qualcomm processor. Even if it meant losing access to Tegra exclusive/optimized games. They have a better video block and generally have better performance. But I know that if the device is positioned as a primarily gaming device and they are going for something better than a budget SoC, it will be a Tegra for the reasons I mentioned earlier.

Would you like the option to buy a $149 Nexus Player with 64gb, 2gb ram, & Ethernet?

Would you like the option to buy a $149 Nexus Player with 64gb, 2gb ram, & Ethernet?
Hell throw in some full size USB 3.0 ports and an sd card slot and I would gladly pay $199 for the device.
I don't understand why Google didn't unveil two versions of the Nexus Player, one with more storage for $50 more. They have always released a more expensive bigger capacity version of all their Nexus devices, phones and tablets in the past.

I suspect that price and those specs would be a fantasy. I would suspect that for $149, you'd get 32GB internal and 2GB RAM, or 16GB internal, 2GB RAM, and ethernet.

If they were to release another device with better specs, I might get it, but only as something to run Ubuntu on.
My thinking is: this is designed as a streaming device. You don't need insane specs to stream a video or some music. It is also designed to handle games, but generally arcade-style games; light on the graphics and more targeted as a family/party gaming device. This also has plenty of power for emulators.
The point of high specs on a phone or tablet is so that you can play games when you're away from home. If you're going to plan on playing graphics-intensive console games in your living room, there are already devices for that. It's going to be quite a few more years before the big game franchises are running commercials that say "Coming this November to Xbox, PlayStation, and Android."
Again, with storage, if you've already got some big library of movies and music, it's going to be on your computer, and you can always stream it over your network.
The only major hardware failing, in my mind, is that they really missed the opportunity to upsell with a $15 Nexus-Player-branded OTG Ethernet dongle.

Plus when you start geting in the $150-$250 price range, you open up a lot better options in home streaming that leave android based systems behind. Non-android HTPC's start at that price point and nothing in the android line can compete because everything including speed, audio, and video out performs android. The android market is a $100 plug and play unit, something simple to set up and cheap.

I don't see the need for 64gb, unless you plan on installing 30 games.
Ethernet would be useful, but not necessary as long as you have a good WiFi router and you're not trying to use the router from your cable provider.
I don't see the need for USB 3.0 either. Most peripherals work fine on 2.0, even interface devices don't need more than USB 1.0. The only advantage I see 3.0 having is when connected to a storage device, and even then you wouldn't really have an advantage over 2.0. Then again, connecting storage defeats the purpose of a streaming device.

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I suspect that price and those specs would be a fantasy. I would suspect that for $149, you'd get 32GB internal and 2GB RAM, or 16GB internal, 2GB RAM, and ethernet.
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That should be awsome 1GB ram i think is a bit to low

OP pics u still rockin that TILT or i dnt believe u

The fire TV has more RAM and it's the same price.

I would.
Some may suggest I stream everything from my PC, but what if I want to bring my collection with me? 8gb HD, so really 7gb usable. A couple big games, a little bit of music, and 2 HD movies, and that's full. Doing TV, you could fit MAYBE a full season of a 1-hour show on there, and you'd need to uninstall your games.
Am I the only one who brings my blu-ray player and a binder of movies with me when I travel?

I want 64gb of storage because it would be an amazing gaming and emulator machine with that. It has an amazing cpu and gpu, way better than even the firetv. If only it had some more storage, it would be perfect.

I think storage is the main issue with the device. Yes, it is made for streaming video but it is also designed as a gaming device (hence the official gamepad accessory). 8GB of storage is just not enough. 16GB would be adequate but 32GB is really ideal. with 8GB of storage you'd only end up with about 5.5GB of usable space, and there are games that take up over 1GB on their own.

I don't think I would. $99 is kind of the sweet-spot for a standalone TV "puck", IMO. Any higher than that just feels like a half measure to me. If you're going $150, then you might as well just go to $200-$300 and run an atom or i3-based PC.
Also, the ethernet thing is way overblow. Get an AC router and sleep well at night.

I would certainly jump on some of that price tag. Would also like to have more information on the soc it use, I do not see much information on it around!

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Hell throw in some full size USB 3.0 ports and an sd card slot and I would gladly pay $199 for the device.
I don't understand why Google didn't unveil two versions of the Nexus Player, one with more storage for $50 more. They have always released a more expensive bigger capacity version of all their Nexus devices, phones and tablets in the past.
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No, but I'd like a $99 version with 4GB RAM and replaceable SSD.
TBH I cant ever see the player being the "right" value point, as it stands might as well go buy a lowend NUC(or like) device and have pretty much the freedom to load it up with whatever amt of ram/storage and then IF you REALLY REALLY REALLY want to install x86 android, but personally I'd just slap a lightweight linux distro, xbmc, plex, and steam on it... maybe dual boot a tiny android setup, but linux would be the default...
I did finally pick up a chromebook though, but the highend C720 i3/4GB that got SSD upgrade and croutonized for now. CrOS was less useless than I expected it to be, but running CrOS alone only the cheapest models are of any value purely as 2ndary or tertiary notebooks. I;m actually using Cros quite a bit for web browsing, probably never touch another tablet again unless I need an ereader in a pinch if I forget to charge the kindle(and it;s not a bright sunny day/location so lets hope batt only croaks at night).
So how does this add in? I found tablets only slightly useful for web browsing and occasional PDFs. Entry of anything relatively complex was a PITA -> overgrown phone -> Crbook (conceptually my tablet replacement , small, light, has keyboard and trackpad and as a bonus can be semi-useful linux notebook). TV, well I currently have a Roku 3 which is OK, but since AppleTV, GoogleTV, chromecast, amazon stuck in amazonland stick, generic Android/ARM sticks weren't enough to supplant the Roku3, HOWEVER I am(/have been) considering what I wrote above with a NUC or like as a tiny HTPC running linux and that sums up how I feel about most of these devices. So many looking for a problem to solve or partially solving a problem that superior devices already do so at similar(with better specs) or MUCH lower prices.
I'm not going to talk about the "smart" watches other than the above also applies in an even worse case to them(no problem to solve at all) and that they're not actually smart at all(mostly and the ones that are kinda smart are just idiot savants in a useless field).
Glass OTOH could potentially be very useful with a capability of recognizing and overlaying schematics/etc but not $1.5k useful.
So long and short player is already too expensively useless, why make it more so?

cutterjohn said:
No, but I'd like a $99 version with 4GB RAM and replaceable SSD.
TBH I cant ever see the player being the "right" value point, as it stands might as well go buy a lowend NUC(or like) device and have pretty much the freedom to load it up with whatever amt of ram/storage and then IF you REALLY REALLY REALLY want to install x86 android, but personally I'd just slap a lightweight linux distro, xbmc, plex, and steam on it... maybe dual boot a tiny android setup, but linux would be the default...
I did finally pick up a chromebook though, but the highend C720 i3/4GB that got SSD upgrade and croutonized for now. CrOS was less useless than I expected it to be, but running CrOS alone only the cheapest models are of any value purely as 2ndary or tertiary notebooks. I;m actually using Cros quite a bit for web browsing, probably never touch another tablet again unless I need an ereader in a pinch if I forget to charge the kindle(and it;s not a bright sunny day/location so lets hope batt only croaks at night).
So how does this add in? I found tablets only slightly useful for web browsing and occasional PDFs. Entry of anything relatively complex was a PITA -> overgrown phone -> Crbook (conceptually my tablet replacement , small, light, has keyboard and trackpad and as a bonus can be semi-useful linux notebook). TV, well I currently have a Roku 3 which is OK, but since AppleTV, GoogleTV, chromecast, amazon stuck in amazonland stick, generic Android/ARM sticks weren't enough to supplant the Roku3, HOWEVER I am(/have been) considering what I wrote above with a NUC or like as a tiny HTPC running linux and that sums up how I feel about most of these devices. So many looking for a problem to solve or partially solving a problem that superior devices already do so at similar(with better specs) or MUCH lower prices.
I'm not going to talk about the "smart" watches other than the above also applies in an even worse case to them(no problem to solve at all) and that they're not actually smart at all(mostly and the ones that are kinda smart are just idiot savants in a useless field).
Glass OTOH could potentially be very useful with a capability of recognizing and overlaying schematics/etc but not $1.5k useful.
So long and short player is already too expensively useless, why make it more so?
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Well, I'm glad you stopped by a forum dedicated to a device you clearly have neither the desire nor need to use. And thank you also for providing us with you opinion on a bunch of things that have nothing to do with it.

razor is making a android tv box but they haven't released specs, im assuming it will have much of what people want since its centered around gaming

jhumps said:
razor is making a android tv box but they haven't released specs, im assuming it will have much of what people want since its centered around gaming
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Generally though their products are a little... overpriced. However, if the specs are better and still able to be used as easily as a streaming player, I might get one.

jhumps said:
razor is making a android tv box but they haven't released specs, im assuming it will have much of what people want since its centered around gaming
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Razer's product is vaporware, at the moment. Lollipop is out, the Nexus Player is out, and not a peep from Razer. They have a bad habit of hyping up products just to see them delayed, never released, released in limited quality, and/or cancelled altogether. Never did see their Razer Edge in stores (was supposed to hit MS stores upon release). They were delayed, quietly released in limited quantities, and are now VERY difficult to find. Razer also doesn't have a very good brick and mortar distribution channel for their higher end products outside of mice/keyboards.
I wouldn't get my hopes up on this product. If it actually gets released, I'm expecting it to have the best specs of any late 2014 ATV player, but to be released in limited quantities before Christmas 2015, and at a higher price point as well.