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Is it just me or is real VGA more trouble than it's worth?

Like a lot of people here I had been waiting rather impatiently for the real VGA hack for my Jasjar. Now that it's here and I've been using it for a week or so, I'm definitely beginning to see why MS didn't make this an option from the beginning, and I'm also beginning to wonder how much it's really worth.
Real VGA has two big benefits for me... it allows me to shrink the size of the bars on the top and bottom of the screen so I get more usable screen space, and it allows Pocket IE to run without it's stupid pixel doubling 'feature'... that's a big one for me.
Unfortunately it's got a lot of disadvangages too... it makes the bars on the top and bottom of the screen so small that they're difficult to use normally, and all but impossible to use while driving. Like I said above, making them smaller would be an advantage, but it's simply way too small. A lot of applications don't work well in real VGA mode... including the phone dialer, the calculator and others. The font size can't be changed for a lot of things... the start bar, the caller ID info screen, and others. This makes a lot of the information displayed quite difficult to read... again, especially while in a car.
As I've been thinking about it more and more, I realized that the only thing that I really need is for PocketIE to work without pixel doubling... then I'd be quite happy in non-VGA mode. While I doubt that will ever happen hopefully we'll get some third party browsers that will work nicely in non-VGA mode. Until then I think I'm going to be using non-vga most of the time and I'll just switch to VGA mode when I need to do a lot of browsing.
Anyone have any other thoughts on this?
Brett

I think that makes sense. We need dynamically switching VGA really. For day to day use, the thumb is just too fat for VGA. It's barely ok to use for QVGA driving/walking etc.
But for browsing, VGA is great. But it's too much and too tiring all the time I think.
V

yea...we need a button like the screen rotate button that lets us change the res whenever we want

I think I would also agree. There are only two advantages to using the o2vga fix. 1) The only app that it improves is the browser, But as Brett stated, in the car it is too small. It works well for some sites very well and others it is too small. 2) the best advantage is that after I applied o2vga, ms voice command now shows the contact info when i say show "contact".
I also am beta testing the wm5 thunderhawk browser. It allows 640 x 480 and 800 x 600, and 640 x 320(?). The font that is used in thunderhawk is hard to read and the app is very slow. Due to the slow speed and font, I'm not sure the thunderhawk browser on wm5 universal is worth it. ALL in all, the original IE browser with zoom to small or medium seem to look the best.

Brett: Couldn't agree more. It was great to see what the device can do, and how the screen really is, tiny! But in truth, the eyestrain was no joke, and finger operation became impossible. I did a lot of toggling between the two, and ultimately decided that what I was is the standard resolution, but with some hacks for:
- Smaller scroll bars (VJ mentions this somewhere)
- Shrunk edge bits in XL
- Smaller edges for Terminal Services (altho central area surprisingly gives same res)
- and of course a hack for PIE.
Now, surely the latter is manageable? It's simply how IE is rendering. Perhaps MS will fix this soon, or maybe someone can intercept the rendering engine. I even don't care if my images lose every second pixel in order to come to the right size at half the res.

Real time Resolution Switching
See the attached link to a bit of software, which once released for WM5 may solve the VGA issue. It allows switching between resolutions on the fly.
I tried it on my Blue Angel, and it worked great, albeit a little unstable.
Note the site says they've been working on WM5 compatibility since Feb, so this may be wishful thinking.
http://www.nyditot.com/Products.asp

It's certainly not ideal, but besides web browsing I would add that word processing is nicer in VGA. Fortunately I don't have to do that much, but when I did need to for a meeting, I appreciated the VGA. With the keyboard and VGA, the term Pocket PC is more than just wishful thinking.

It's certainly not ideal, but besides web browsing I would add that word processing is nicer in VGA. Fortunately I don't have to do that much, but when I did need to for a meeting, I appreciated the VGA. With the keyboard and VGA, the term Pocket PC is more than just wishful thinking.

I agree it is to much hassle to work smoothly in everyday conditions, personally I think its down to programmers to make font options more accessable, take the new version of pocket breeze, in qvga or vga it stays the same size on screen, and gives the user total control over all font sizes.
This is the sort of programming we need to utilise such a great display!!!

lol
kinda bull---- lol
i remember when whe had 640 resolution on the pc.. everyone hated it when we started to use 800 res.. and lets not speak about 1024 haha..
i see loads of people using 1600 res nowedays.. higher res means better image quality!!
It also means better games better everything. So 640 res on the exec is SUPER, we only need adjust (like the pc) font size and get larger better resolution icons for those people who like to nagg (just like on real pc's)
VGA resolution is the future, and i am sure we get 800 res soon also and maybe even higher.. better looking programs etc etc..
and if your fingers are to thick for dialpad then you must have problems with any normal gsm LMAO
Just get a skin where the ok button close button are larger and nicer..
but that is just my penny worth :twisted:

How to change the screen resolution ?

well.. this is the question.. my resolution is 480x234. somebody know how to change it for a 800x400 res? i seen many videos of youtube with this resolution and compared with my 480x234 is a BIG difference in quality...i think , and im sure its possible.. ,
i seen in the internet a page (search in google for wincepatch) , the patch on this page changes the resolution driver for a 800x480 driver on ANY wince 5/6 device , the main problem with the patch is for the $ , the patch is not for free.....
the main "video driver" , calls a value on a registry key ([HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\GDI\Drivers]) ,there is a key called "maindisp" , here , it calls a ".dll" file , THIS dll file tells the resolution and other things... the question is , how i build a ddi.dll file with 800x480 resolution? , sory for the bad english , im argentinian.. good bye !

ok , y advanced some , searching all the internet and is no way to get a "ddi.dll" disp driver from the internet... ,
i think its possible to upload mi ddi.dll with the 480x234 resolution, with yours help, modify it with a hex editor to a 800x480 resolution.. what do you think?

Someone can correct me if I am wrong but I don't believe what you are asking is possible. The screen on your phone can only display 480*234 because the screen itself only has the hardware capabilities to display that resolution (or possibly lower). It's like taking an old CRT tube tv, and then trying to play a 1080p video on it. The TV simply does not have the hardware technology to display the 1920x1080 picture, but rather can only display a resolution of 640x480. I believe it is that same case for your phone, your simply can't make the screen hardware display something it is incapable of. Again though I may be incorrect and anyone with more knowledge on this is subject would be appreciated to comment.

zoomonkey90 said:
Someone can correct me if I am wrong but I don't believe what you are asking is possible. The screen on your phone can only display 480*234 because the screen itself only has the hardware capabilities to display that resolution (or possibly lower). It's like taking an old CRT tube tv, and then trying to play a 1080p video on it. The TV simply does not have the hardware technology to display the 1920x1080 picture, but rather can only display a resolution of 640x480. I believe it is that same case for your phone, your simply can't make the screen hardware display something it is incapable of. Again though I may be incorrect and anyone with more knowledge on this is subject would be appreciated to comment.
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sure! , you are correct. sory for my bad english , here is my question :
>The screen in windows is set to 320x240 and it stretches on the 480x234 display...
Finding the way to change resolution in core would allow to set a better solution (perhaps 400 or so pixels) and could solve both problems (display not sync or looking bad in my case).
According to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=379728 there's a way to change the resolution. Perhaps there's a way in win core too.
Ideas?

lukz93 said:
According to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=379728 there's a way to change the resolution. Perhaps there's a way in win core too.
Ideas?
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Windows CE based devices are designed to support only a single video mode. For example, the Medion PNA I own has a display which is 480 pixel wide and 272 pixels high. Whatever the size, this is the physical resolution of the device. It is generally determined by the actual number of individual pixels elements that make up the display hardware and video chip that control the display. YOU CAN'T CHANGE THIS PER SOFTWARE!
BTW: Why not simply try out Nyditot Virtual Display ("NVD") you pointed to, which is trial ware, means you can testwisely install and use it for 7 days? Be aware, not all software applications written for the various Windows CE platforms are “resolution aware”. That is, they assume a standard resolution (e.g. 240x320 on Pocket PC) and therefore do not alter their layout based on NVD’s virtual width and height settings. NVD can't control the behavior of these applications! Even the Windows CE desktop (explorer) can't be changed with NVD.

reading , again reading and acquiring knowledge i learn this :
-The screen in windows is set to 320x240 and it stretches on the 480x234 display...
now , i take apart the resolution-change proble, and go for the new problem jaja, im stucked in sysupdater .. the problem? the touch screen doesn't work , and i can't press any button on this window...i'm thinking the unique solution is weld the usb port for the wince board , exactly as petrutms explained... , with that port attach a keyboard and w/ the tab key move between fields...

First of all you must say which device you have.
If your device has a 320x240 display, or a 400x320 or a 600x400, etc., you'll not be able to change it to a bigger size. You're limited by drivers, yes, but also by phisycal parameters. In other words, if you are capable to build a device using the screen of the HD2 and putting it in a Herald, and get it to work, probably you'll be capable to change or create the drivers.
On the other side, I've been using some 400x320 apps into my 320x240 display, and this means some parts of the app image (when it runs and does not crash because of display resolution) remain "out" of the screen and I can't scroll them. If this is what you mean when writing about those drivers...
And by opposite, apps made for smaller screens appear as a small part rendered in a black screen. Then, probably they can be stretched using some sort of apps or drivers, but this means you'll see blurred images, as they are zoomed like when you're displaying images 200% in your photoshop.

there is a program to change the resoloution.
not sure if it will work for what you need it to do but if i can find it ill upload it for you to try.

Anyone else use it as a screen?

So one thing I was able to achieve recently was to set up the Nook as a screen mirror in a very simple fashion, thanks to folks at mobileread! I was wondering if anyone else uses their nooks as a screen?
Right now, I have two nooks set up such that each would mirror half of a laptop with the weird 1360x768 resolution. It's been great for reading academic journals because these PDFs are typically double columned.

Could you provide some details how you achieved this? Or any keywords how to find it ?

krzynier said:
Could you provide some details how you achieved this? Or any keywords how to find it ?
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I would also love an explanation to that picture.
Is the nook getting the images via usb? Or wifi?
Are any special adapters needed?

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Could you provide some details how you achieved this? Or any keywords how to find it ?
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This was achieved using a simple python script written by kranu @ Mobileread. Here's the link. The original script was only made for a single screen that captured a 800x600 image of your host screen at a 1:1 ratio. If you wanted and knew python, you could easily make it capture a 1600x1200 image and compress it to fit the Nook's 800x600 screen.
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I would also love an explanation to that picture.
Is the nook getting the images via usb? Or wifi?
Are any special adapters needed?
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The nook is getting screenshots from the host computer via WiFi. So literally no adapters needed. All you need is a browser on the nook and python installed on the host computer. So yes, this method will technically work from ANY e-ink screen with a browser, but ideally you want a browser that can go into "full screen" mode (no bars). There are few e-readers that have a 800mhz CPU that can be had for $30 or less. Hence why I think the nook is an ideal choice for doing this. You can have as many nooks as you want if you wanted to make a bigger screen.
There are other ways to achieve this, such as running a VNC viewer. But I opted for a simpler approach because I didn't intend to interact too much with the monitor, I simply needed it for reading.

Wow. Very nice.
Just to let people know, another approach is running VNC but the advantage of the screenshot thread here of course is that you can use more than 1 nook.

PoisonWolf said:
This was achieved using a simple python script written by kranu @ Mobileread. The original script was only made for a single screen that captured a 800x600 image of your host screen at a 1:1 ratio. If you wanted and knew python, you could easily make it capture a 1600x1200 image and compress it to fit the Nook's 800x600 screen.
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Just set the capture region to your monitor resolution
w,h=(1600,900) #width and height of capture region
and modify
image=wx.ImageFromBitmap(bitmap)
data=list(image.GetData())
to
image=wx.ImageFromBitmap(bitmap)
image = image.Scale(600, 800, wx.IMAGE_QUALITY_HIGH)
image = image.Rotate90(True)
data=list(image.GetData())
and then you have the monitor display scaled for nook screen size and rotated to landscape mode.
Big Kudos for kranu for the idea and script and for PoisonWolf to finding it

krzynier said:
Just set the capture region to your monitor resolution
w,h=(1600,900) #width and height of capture region
and modify
image=wx.ImageFromBitmap(bitmap)
data=list(image.GetData())
to
image=wx.ImageFromBitmap(bitmap)
image = image.Scale(600, 800, wx.IMAGE_QUALITY_HIGH)
image = image.Rotate90(True)
data=list(image.GetData())
and then you have the monitor display scaled for nook screen size and rotated to landscape mode.
Big Kudos for kranu for the idea and script and for PoisonWolf to finding it
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This is pretty awesome. I know little about python scripting. I think I'm going to use this to make a smaller capture region be scaled higher (make things appear larger).

Lumia 635/630 - any way to fake the display resolution?

As anyone with a 630 or 635 (or other low-resolution phone) has discovered, the hacks to enable five action buttons and smaller text don't work. I found this information that explains why:
http://sysdev.microsoft.com/en-us/H..._apps_experience_for_medium_and_large_screens
Unless there's a way to trick the OS into thinking the phone has a higher resolution screen (at least 720 px wide), there's no way to use the UserPreferenceWidth or AllowedQuickSettingsElements keys to enable smaller text and an extra quick action toggle.
Anyone have any ideas on tricking WP 8.1 into believing the phone has a higher res than what's reported by the display's EDID?

once I read all the registry keys I found the key which contains the resolution of the display. Mine the value is 480x800.
I want that 5 buttons too but i don't think it will work if I fake it. I think that when I change it, the resolution will change to and my screen will have trouble displaying contents.

I can help you change it, but i can promise you that it will work, worth a try, or should i mess up my 525 first and see if it works??

I know this is an old thread, but I think I can say that this is 100% possible, I recently bought the Win Blu Jr LTE phone for my sister, and the resolution of the screen is 854x480. I did notice when looking in the "About" section, it did say that the screen resolution was 854x480, but there was a line below it that said it was rendering things as if the screen was actually 960x540.
I bought this phone for her as a replacement for the Lumia 635, and while updating the phone to Update 2 of 8.1, the way the OS looked was clearly different. And while both phones are 4.5", 854x480 resolution screens, the difference in clarity of the Win Blu Jr LTE was stunning.
Now that we have WPInternals and registry editing tools available, perhaps someone can figure out how to get other 854x480 phones to do this as well. Is it possible to get a registry editor on a phone like the Win Blu Jr LTE that can't be rooted or bootloader unlocked? If so, and someone had a rough idea of where in the registry the line with the resolution is, I could probably borrow the phone and take a look at it. I wouldn't be surprised if there was just a second registry key after the resolution one that enabled this upscaling.

moonlight custom resolutions

I have stop adding support for other resolutions to moonlight streaming, if you want other resolution please leave a comment on the official moonlight github page link below.
https://github.com/moonlight-stream/moonlight-android/issues
I have ask the developer many times in the pass to add support for other resolutions but I keep getting a ignored response so please let him know that you would like to to see other resolutions support.
thank you and I apologize.
one of the builds only has 2048x1536 and 2560x1600 support.
updated on 09-09-2020

Do you consider adding sub-720p resolutions for phones that doesnt have 720p screen?

Sweet just want I needed. Thanks. Now to overclock my phone and see if I can improve on 28ms @ 1440p 60hz with 50mbit video rate.

Latest update breaks it for Gforce experince. Will have to try find way to downgrade.

GeForce_Experience_Beta_v3.0.2.205.exe Is the last version that supports custom res.
Installing it is a bit of a pain since it defaults to auto update to lastest beta when you install it. On my 200mbit net it pritty much instantly starts to update if you have the internet enabled.
So for me. I needed to go to programs and features.
Uninstall the latest beta.
Disable the internet.
Install "GeForce_Experience_Beta_v3.0.2.205"
Asks you to login,
Re-enable internet just for the login.
Then disable as soon as its logged in and asks to scan for games.
Let it do the scanning so you can get into the settings.
Un-tick Include beta and all driver update settings.
Close Gefore Experience. Turn internet back on and open gefore experience again and it should work with out trying to auto update.
Here is a link to "GeForce_Experience_Beta_v3.0.2.205"
https://mega.nz/#!TYg0zRCK!R5PtpHO4VhkD8PGkhYupRpy60nPGQZxRRpXqcrl3LPc

i read somewhere that they are no longer refreshing the nvidia shield

looks like they are no more beta drivers but i did menage to get 3.0.5.22 to work well sometimes, the new Geforce experince drivers have support for other resolutions now what i did to get my targeted resolution to work is i go into moonlight change resolution to 1200x800 start my game(or windows) then go back to moonlight change to my targeted resolution. This sometimes work I do get this error 400 and 403 RTSP announcement request failure.

lateforwork1000 said:
ok i add support other resolutions but there is a few things you need to do first be for you can use them
1. Make sure your game or computer and run at your targeted resolution.
2. Download and install Geforce expericence bata this is a must!!! or it will not work.
3. Your device must be rooted! this is also a must.
new resolutions
1280x800
2048x1536
2560x1440
2560x1600
they all should be working, if not let me know
if there is a resolution you would like to see let me know , also ill try and keep this up to date.
I also recommend desktop streaming
here's the how to
updated 8-21-2016
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Hello, Would it be possible to add 1920x540 (letterboxed)
This would be very helpful for Google Cardboard type HMDs

lateforwork1000 said:
ok i add support other resolutions but there is a few things you need to do first be for you can use them
1. Make sure your game or computer and run at your targeted resolution.
2. Download and install Geforce expericence
new resolutions
854x480
1280x800
2048x1536
2560x1440
2560x1600
they all should be working, if not let me know
if there is a resolution you would like to see let me know , also ill try and keep this up to date.
I also recommend desktop streaming
here's the how to
http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3489/~/shield-remote-desktop
updated 12-31-017
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Hi there, are you still actively working on the app? If you are, can you kindly add in custom resolutions for my note 8? Here they are:
1480*720
2220*1080
2960*1440
I sincerely appreciate it!

yeah ill see if i can add those tonight don't have my laptop right now.

i added the new resolutions I don't know if they will work let me know if they do.

Hello,
I very much appreciate and welcome your efforts to add resolutions to Moonlight. My phone (ZTE Axon 7) is a 1440p phone so I was badly missing the 1440p resolution However...
...today I made few tests with 720p, 1080p, 1440p and 4k (obviously downscaled to my native phone resolution of 1440p) and got to an interesting observation: the 1440p actually equals (pretty much so) the 720p in image quality. The other 1080p and 4k work as expected - meaning qualitywise they improve.
Once you have a minute, could you please check what's up?
Thanks!
Regards,
Milan

sure I'll look into it as soon as I can, I left my laptop at work sorry for the late reply. thanks

fix it

lateforwork1000 said:
fix it
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OK great. I will get the new version.
Thank you!
Milan

Hi, I really appreciate your time and effort that you have made on Moonlight.
I recently got a Galaxy Tab S3, which has a 4:3 resolution screen. Is there anyway you can add a 1440x1080p so I can get rid of these black bars? I would be very thankful!
Thanks again for your consideration!

pirathonite said:
Hi, I really appreciate your time and effort that you have made on Moonlight.
I recently got a Galaxy Tab S3, which has a 4:3 resolution screen. Is there anyway you can add a 1440x1080p so I can get rid of these black bars? I would be very thankful!
Thanks again for your consideration!
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2048x1536 is the tab s3 native resolution

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2048x1536 is the tab s3 native resolution
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First of all, thank you for replying.
Yeah, I know. I am not positive that my computer can run well on some games at that higher resolution, so I was settling for at least a 4:3 1080p resolution. Does that make sense?
Could you possibility add both so I can test it out?

i see your issue but the better solution is to set moonlight to your tablet native resolution then run your desktop to your targeted resolution(1440x1080p), depending on the content you are looking at or game if it does not support 4:3 you will see black bars or worst screen stretching. All tho you are still better off just setting your desktop to your tablet native resolution and let your graphic drivers handle the rest, you can change the scaling in the drivers settings(fit to screen or stretch and others).

lateforwork1000 said:
i see your issue but the better solution is to set moonlight to your tablet native resolution then run your desktop to your targeted resolution(1440x1080p), depending on the content you are looking at or game if it does not support 4:3 you will see black bars or worst screen stretching. All tho you are still better off just setting your desktop to your tablet native resolution and let your graphic drivers handle the rest, you can change the scaling in the drivers settings(fit to screen or stretch and others).
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Ohh, I see. I made two custom resolutions via Nvidia's control panel and added 1440x1080 and 2048x1536. I did what you said and set the resolution at 1536p on Moonlight. After launching the game, I set the resolution in-game to 1440x1080 or 2048x1536 depending on the demand of the game. Everything is in fullscreen glory without the stretching.
Thank you for your help!