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I'd like to stream all my content to my tablet/pc's/phones, I was going to buy a QNAP TS-110 but first I wanted to make sure it's compatible.
I don't care a bout a specific model if you have any hints let me know (about 100/150€), 2TB should be enough for me (mainly streaming music and tv series)
chtamina said:
I'd like to stream all my content to my tablet/pc's/phones, I was going to buy a QNAP TS-110 but first I wanted to make sure it's compatible.
I don't care a bout a specific model if you have any hints let me know (about 100/150€), 2TB should be enough for me (mainly streaming music and tv series)
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Any DLNA server should work
I use a buffalo NAS with UPnPlay + Moboplayer
HD Streaming works like crap over DLNA on this device for whatever reason.
If the device supports HTTP server, use that for HD streaming.
sassafras
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Any DLNA server should work
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unfortunately this does not work properly (upnplay won't stream its content) that's why I was asking
I use mindlna with IMS from the market works great
Sent from my LG-P999 using XDA Premium App
I am using LaCie Network Space MAX with UPnPlay + rockplayer and got no problems
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HD Streaming works like crap over DLNA on this device for whatever reason.
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I strongly disagree.
The stock DLNA client/renderer, MyNet, works very well for all the audio/video formats that the Android platform supports.
Transformer with UPnPlay + Moboplayer works great with my Synology NAS. But if you only use it to stream videos, this is a bit of an overkill.
As a great home NAS with DLNA bonus video streaming it works great
http://www.synology.com/products/product.php?product_name=DS411slim
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unfortunately this does not work properly (upnplay won't stream its content) that's why I was asking
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The one thing to consider with DLNA is which formats are configured on the host and which are allowed on the client.
My personal DLNA is my Win7 PC with an attached USB HDD. I can use this to stream any file to my TV or my TF. I have noticed some of the video titles not appearing on one or other device but this changes when using something like uPnPlay as the client.
Whatever DLNA NAS you get try the Skifta app, it seems to work well and lets you choose the video player on the Transformer. I have Moboplayer and Vplayer, sometimes one plays better than the other.
UPnPlay looks interesting, I'm going to give it a try. I fear that Skifta may charge once it's out of beta.
I am very interested in this subject and want to report my results, but do not know how to get DLNA working. Can someone describe how I can test my NAS's (ReadyNAS Pro) DLNA capabilities from my TF? What do I have to configure and what app(s) should I run.
I love my ReadyNAS Ultra 4 (upgraded from an older NV+). It will stream 720p just fine to my Samsung TV, 1080p is too choppy though. Pretty sure that's an issue with the TV, not the NAS.
I could have sworn I fiddled with streaming from the NAS to my Transformer using DLNA, but don't remember any of the details offhand.
If you get a new router that supports TOMATO with USB ports, you can attach a hard drive and stream movies directly from it using UPNPPLAy and MOBOplayer...
I'm running Tomato on the ASUS RT-16N router with a 500GB USB2.0 hard drive attached. It work great, I stream all my movies from there.
Best part: Low Power Consumption!
This one is compatible, and you can see HD content too
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=280
I use WD MYBOOKLIVE 1T. No problem there.
I can access all my media files even by just using the File Expert.
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Transformer with UPnPlay + Moboplayer works great with my Synology NAS. But if you only use it to stream videos, this is a bit of an overkill.
As a great home NAS with DLNA bonus video streaming it works great
http://www.synology.com/products/product.php?product_name=DS411slim
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I have had a synology Nas for a few years, they are hands down by far the best nas for home use on the market!!
Also if you use ES file explorer you dont need DLNA, you can stream media files directly from a file share!! The latest version was updated two days ago and it works great on both my phone and my tablet!
Brandon
I have a couple of questions about streaming your own content, rather than Amazon's, to the Fire that I'm hoping someone who has one can answer for me.
Can you stream content you upload to Amazon's content locker (5 GB free, or pay for more)? Is that limited to music or do videos work too? If so, what is the streaming quality like?
Can you stream content to the Fire over your home network, from a media server? If so, what kind of infrastructure and app support do you need?
Could you stream from a Wifi-enabled external drive, like a Seagate Satellite or a Kingston WiDrive?
I'm hoping the answer to one or more of these questions is yes, which will go a long way towards ameliorating the 6 GB usable internal storage. It's kind of sad considering my phone has 32 GB (16 internal and a 16 GB micro SD card).
The KF specs only lists MP4 and VP8 for video formats, which is standard for Android 2.3. As for 3rd-party video players, per Engadget review, "Amazon's own media players work well, but third party ones that offered better compatibility with file formats universally did not."
one word - Skifta
The Skifta app is working great for me on the fire - and available in the amazon app store to boot. no hacking required and it's free.
Skifta.com
I choose my NAS w/some m4v files (encoded w/handbrake for atv2) as the source, my fire as the player, then it lets me browse, play, stream over 802.11 in my house.
You can stream your stuff to your phone using Emit. It's in the Amazon marketplace so no sideloading.
https://www.emitapp.com/
Thanks for the tips, I'll check out those apps as soon as I have my home NAS running again!
I can also answer one of my questions now that I have my Fire in hand:
Can you stream content you upload to Amazon's content locker (5 GB free, or pay for more)? Is that limited to music or do videos work too? If so, what is the streaming quality like?
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Apparently you get unlimited storage for your own MP3s in Amazon's Cloud Player and they work great. Streaming quality is quite good. Haven't tried videos, books, or documents in the 5 GB space yet.
Cool note about Skifta I forgot to mention...is that it's DLNA certified. In other words, if you already have DLNA video devices, it works great with them without having to add new servers and such.
(in my case, my NAS does DLNA out of the box so it just finds it and works) - think they also have a mini server for PC/MAC if you don't already have one.
+1 for Skifta. Works great for me.
Emit works awesomely! realtime encodes the files on demand and streams it. much better than what i was going to do (open up a aws account with e3 and cloudfront, and have a website for all my stuff after hand encoding all my media to mp4... ... ... ya...)
thnks kernodle
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Emit works awesomely! realtime encodes the files on demand and streams it. much better than what i was going to do (open up a aws account with e3 and cloudfront, and have a website for all my stuff after hand encoding all my media to mp4... ... ... ya...)
thnks kernodle
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Do you know if it can re-encode and stream mkv files and make them work on the Fire?
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The KF specs only lists MP4 and VP8 for video formats, which is standard for Android 2.3. As for 3rd-party video players, per Engadget review, "Amazon's own media players work well, but third party ones that offered better compatibility with file formats universally did not."
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Engadget made too many assumptions in that statement '3rd party players ....universally did not'. This is inaccurate. The VLC Media Player (alpha) and Mobo Video Player Pro do many formats. Mobo works well and is smooth playing. VLC is still in alpha, but once final one is launched it will be more capable. VLC can play 1080P WMV, but is a bit choppy due to no hardware video acceleration optimizations incorporated in this early version. There are other players on the market that should work with the Fire if these two do.
Go flex satellite
Sideloaded goflex app and rockplayer app and streaming from the satellite hdd is working on the Fire.
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned PlayOn. It's free if you just use the local media streaming part of it, and it works really well. I have it on my Droid Incredible, PS3, Wii and on my KF, and I can stream remotely as well (even via 3G).
Unfortunately, it's PC only, and it's needs at least a dual core to run well.
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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned PlayOn. It's free if you just use the local media streaming part of it, and it works really well. I have it on my Droid Incredible, PS3, Wii and on my KF, and I can stream remotely as well (even via 3G).
Unfortunately, it's PC only, and it's needs at least a dual core to run well.
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+1 : PlayOn is awesome. I use it currently with my Windows Home Server to stream to PS3, iPhone and Nexus S.
I just want to be able to put on some mkv files without re-encoding so I can watch on the plane.
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Do you know if it can re-encode and stream mkv files and make them work on the Fire?
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yes it takes my avis and mkvs and converts on the fly. bigger files will have to "load" a little bit because of that. you can also tel it to preencode files. all the settings are what the device asks for too, so if you decide you want a different resolution, just change it in the options. i really love it.
goodness noone mentioned subsonic?
http://www.subsonic.org/pages/index.jsp
stream music via app may need to sideload it(although its in amazon approval process still)
u can also use browser version for video streaming and it supports full screen i have a subsonic server setup on my home lan with all my music/movies (5Tb) now accessible anywhere with subsonic on my fire
best solution imho and if u happen to be handy with rss feeds for your content u desire u got yourself a much better solution then anythign amazon can put out and faster
Looking for a app for playing videos from my windows server. I watch a lot of foreign movies so need subtitles support. Something like the gtvplayer.
Any ideas?
There are a thousand different players on the market but I don't see any that support playing from a network share.
Take a look at this thread.. I do not know about the sub titles.. but there are several apps mentioned here that do exactly what you are asking for.. ITS Called dlna server.. i use the aVIA one but bubble has much more options.. of course you have to turn dlna on .on the windows box(windows media center) or download a dlna server app for windows machine..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1482868
good luck
BSPlayer.It's free and supports direct streaming without caching the whole file on your device. Buzz player also supports streaming samba shares but it's quite buggy to my experience and it's not free.
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BSPlayer.It's free and supports direct streaming without caching the whole file on your device. Buzz player also supports streaming samba shares but it's quite buggy to my experience and it's not free.
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that is true es file explorer has a media player that will stream as well But can lag at times.. there are others that do the same im sure..
]thanks for the replies. I do not want to use a DNLA server so I'll try some of the other suggestions.
Almost any File Explorer should do the trick. I have used the following:
ES File Explorer
File Manager HD (Honeycomb)
ASTRO File Manager
You can navigate to your network share. When you go to open the file, you will be prompted which Media Player you would like to use. So, as long as you have a media player that supports your media, you should be good to go.
Ok this thread brings up a question i have. And maybe something the op should consider . DLNA apps such as bubble aVIA.. they allow you to select where to RENDER THE VIDEO . this can make the video much more smooth if you choose to render on the PC FILE SHARE SERVER.. not the tablet.
playing the video from a file manager .. just opens the video as a network share playing the video on the tablet with the tablets resources...
my Question is.. are the above situations true.. If so DLNA would be faster more smooth and use far less battery on the tablet.. I believe it to be true because playing a video out from tablet thru hdmi cable eats battery .Using dlna is less taxing on the tablet..
splashtop could also be a answer to the above.. as i have played media thru it.
PLEASE if im wrong explain. thank you all Sorry to invade your thread OP. BUT ITS kinda related
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Almost any File Explorer should do the trick. I have used the following:
ES File Explorer
File Manager HD (Honeycomb)
ASTRO File Manager
You can navigate to your network share. When you go to open the file, you will be prompted which Media Player you would like to use. So, as long as you have a media player that supports your media, you should be good to go.
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I use File Manager HD with rocket player and access my network share directly with no DLNA.
I am not sure about subtitle support as I dont recall seeing them even though the .srt files are there.
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Ok this thread brings up a question i have. And maybe something the op should consider . DLNA apps such as bubble aVIA.. they allow you to select where to RENDER THE VIDEO . this can make the video much more smooth if you choose to render on the PC FILE SHARE SERVER.. not the tablet.
playing the video from a file manager .. just opens the video as a network share playing the video on the tablet with the tablets resources...
my Question is.. are the above situations true.. If so DLNA would be faster more smooth and use far less battery on the tablet.. I believe it to be true because playing a video out from tablet thru hdmi cable eats battery .Using dlna is less taxing on the tablet..
splashtop could also be a answer to the above.. as i have played media thru it.
PLEASE if im wrong explain. thank you all Sorry to invade your thread OP. BUT ITS kinda related
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Interesting point Erica, I am going to test that out. I have not jumped on the DLNA bandwagon yet just because all my files are on the same network but could see some benefits if I am coming in remotely.
ES File Explorer
MX Player
A500 - play without any stutter
Nook Color - required that I copy and paste the file onto local drive, wait 1 min then play without stutter.
Since this is an A500 site, the above method should work without issue...though subtitle is a hit or miss.
thanks all for the replies. I have been using bs player now.
As for battery usage through dlna rendering on the PC:
It converts the video on the PC to something the target device can play. There for unless it is rendering it into a format the target player can play with full hardware decoding you would not get any benefit from transcoding on the PC. Plus depending on the profile used it may render the video down to a lower quality.
Dlna can also do pass through in which case no transcoding is done at all.
Dlna is great if you do not want to worry about codec support on your target devices and battery usage will only be lower if the profile for hardware rendering is available on your DNLA server.
I hope all that makes sense to everyone.
Makes perfect sense..
Im not big in video playing on my tablet. I just know those options are there.. I Can understand a reduction of the Quality from the desktop pc resolution to that of the tablet.. We have a 28 inch monitor set very very high. As i do digital drawing with CS5. Using my WACOM INTUOS 4 PEN Tablet.. yes a plug here for them. The thing ROCKS. if you are into digital drawing.
Anyway I just do know that using dlna for me uses much less battery. Try starting your GPS'WEB BROWSER and say running a few other apps in the background of your tab.. Launch a video thru file manager network share.. YOU Will see your battery DRAIN VERY Quickly.. Do the same thing but dlna .. IT WILL Last much longer...
This could actaully be tested with a network traffic or data monitoring app. to see what is going on in the background under each situation...
THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS . There is no perfect solution... thanks for hearing me try to be Smart.. i am blonde remember .. Giggles BUY WACOM TABLET. HEHEHHE
Just a quick note - file managers, mx video player, rockplayer etc. need to cache the file locally and do not support streaming. BSPlayer and Buzz player would start playback immediately without downloading the video on your tab. DLNA is a nice options as well but I don't know if there are free ones available or at least such that support multiformat transcoding and external subtitles.
Apparently I am wrong:
http://www.serviio.org/features
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Just a quick note - file managers, mx video player, rockplayer etc. need to cache the file locally and do not support streaming. BSPlayer and Buzz player would start playback immediately without downloading the video on your tab. DLNA is a nice options as well but I don't know if there are free ones available or at least such that support multiformat transcoding and external subtitles.
Apparently I am wrong:
http://www.serviio.org/features
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I do not think this is correct. I have watched full length movies on my tab (>1Gb) using a combination of File Manager HD (Or ES File Explorer) and Rock Player and the playback starts immediately. I dont think it is being streamed, just opened and played directly as if it were a local file.
Thanks smishra, then it must be RockPlayer's feature. Haven't been using it for a long time because it didn't support Tegra2 HW acceleration at that time. Just tried MX Video Player and it works as well so streaming is obviously implemented. Sorry if I have misled someone. I don't think file managers play the movie, so it doesn't matter which one you use as long as your player supports streaming.
Another thread on this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1480697
I use MX Player, browse to the share using the HoneyComb file manager, then when I get to the share open the file and choose MX Player (Install from market first with MX Player codec for ARMv7). It even supports mkvs!
"Cifsmanage" allows you to mount a windows share as a local folder. Once you mount it you can use any video player to access the files. You must be rooted but it works good.
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"Cifsmanage" allows you to mount a windows share as a local folder. Once you mount it you can use any video player to access the files. You must be rooted but it works good.
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Good point, I just noticed in my Rock player that it wants you to specify the location of the subtitle files. I normally keep these in the same folder as the videos so the only way that I can think of to access them would be to mount using CIFS and then play the video from there with subtitles.
Hi,
When I bought the Nexus 10, my original thought was to use it to watch movies. Meaning, stream video from my pc using the wifi LAN (I also thought to use it as a streamer by connecting it to my TV via HDMI, but that's another story).
However, this doesn't work right. There are many movies that appear laggy/jumpy/buggy on the Nexus 10 itself (even without connecting it to a TV via HDMI).
Especially when I try to play high quality 1080p mkv files (about 10GB-15GB per movie). I don't have issues with lower quality 720p movies/series, but half the 1080p movies I just can't play right.
I have tried the following players: MX player, BS player, VLC beta, XMBC for android.
My benchmark is Avatar (exteneded) mkv 1080p, a 15GB size file. The only player that was able to play it is BS player, and only when I set it to use the "experimental HW decoding". But even that way, the fps seems to be a bit low. All other players play this movie like a powerpoint presentation, slide by slide...
I thought that the Nexus 10 hardware is strong enough to play 1080p movies. But now I'm not sure. Is it hardware limitation? is it the players fault that doesn't use properly the N10 hardware?
I a bit frustrated here, any help is appreciated!
did you try to put the file on your N10 instead of streaming it? That will rule out any potential WIFI bottleneck which may occur with files that size. Just to be sure. I cannot offer any other advice unfortunately.
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Hi,
When I bought the Nexus 10, my original thought was to use it to watch movies. Meaning, stream video from my pc using the wifi LAN (I also thought to use it as a streamer by connecting it to my TV via HDMI, but that's another story).
However, this doesn't work right. There are many movies that appear laggy/jumpy/buggy on the Nexus 10 itself (even without connecting it to a TV via HDMI).
Especially when I try to play high quality 1080p mkv files (about 10GB-15GB per movie). I don't have issues with lower quality 720p movies/series, but half the 1080p movies I just can't play right.
I have tried the following players: MX player, BS player, VLC beta, XMBC for android.
My benchmark is Avatar (exteneded) mkv 1080p, a 15GB size file. The only player that was able to play it is BS player, and only when I set it to use the "experimental HW decoding". But even that way, the fps seems to be a bit low. All other players play this movie like a powerpoint presentation, slide by slide...
I thought that the Nexus 10 hardware is strong enough to play 1080p movies. But now I'm not sure. Is it hardware limitation? is it the players fault that doesn't use properly the N10 hardware?
I a bit frustrated here, any help is appreciated!
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Have you tried MX player's hw+ mode? Also try dice player. I have tried a higher resolution than 1080 and it worked fine in MX but it was mp4!
As I have no bluray remuxes or space on my tablet to try them, I have downloaded the test video called "Birds" from here, 40 mbps bluray remux and with MX player I can play it using HW codec with no stutter or lag. With SW Codec it has stutter and through network stream from PC with SW codec it stutters as well, and HW codec doesn't seem to work at all through network stream
I hope this helps.
Thank you all for your help!
I have made several trials according to your advices. The problem is indeed the wifi.
I have copied a movie that didn't run well through wifi to my N10 ("The Host" - 12GB), and it ran just fine with both BS and MX!
I have also tried "birds" from the post above me. When I tried to run it through wifi:
- MX player with hw+ was completely stuck on the first picture.
- BS player with experimental decoding was very bad, but a bit better than MX.
I have tried it with the N10 very close to the router, so it's not bad wifi reception.
When I copied "birds" file to my N10, it ran just fine with both MX and BS. Since it's 40mps bluray, it's much heavier than any of my 10-15GB movies in terms of mpbs.
Anyway, the problem is indeed caused by the wifi, which is a major bottleneck. Now the question is where is exactly the problem: the router (I have N type router)? N10 wifi? my computer wired Ethernet connection to the router?
How do regular streamers work with 1080p content?
Can I do anything to fix this bottleneck? Perhaps a better router?
What if I use usb OTG and connect USB DOK directly to the N10, do you think it may work?
Thanks again for your help!
Ah glad you got it to work finally. Yes the router can play a part in it, however if you are happy with your wifi setup otherwise (stability, range etc) I would not change the router just for this. There is no guarantee that a different router may indeed play your file without hiccups. It may also be that the tablet wifi is not up to the task of streaming the movies, but this is just an assumption on my part.
The cheapest solution, while not the most comfortable one, would be to use an OTG cable and a nice 64GB USB stick and just fill that with movies when you want to watch them. Maybe you can find more info on the net regarding streaming and wifi issues and solutions, but be ready to drop some cash for those routers.
EDIT: there is some good info in this thread http://forums.smallnetbuilder.com/showthread.php?t=7761
EDIT2: and here http://forums.smallnetbuilder.com/showthread.php?t=2755
I have the same router type N, cheap one that came free from my ISP, talktalk, and exactly the same issues when trying to play through network. I know that when trying to copy something through LAN from my PC to my tablet via ES File Explorer, it only downloads at 300KB/s, which is slower then when I download something off the internet at 1.8MB/s (which is the maximum I get from my ISP) so this leads me to believe that the problem isn't the router, because it can download fast enough for 1080p (maybe not fast enough for that "birds" test at 40mbps, though) this leaves the protocol that android uses to talk to windows PC, the Samba share or something like that.
Do you use windows as well? I'm thinking of trying to stream through a linux share, see how that goes.
I also use Windows - I've defined a user with password on windows and I connect to the workgroup on my pc with it. Perhaps you are right and this is the issue. Please update if you find a faster way to stream.
What if we use an external hdd which will connect to the router? You think it might help?
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I also use Windows - I've defined a user with password on windows and I connect to the workgroup on my pc with it. Perhaps you are right and this is the issue. Please update if you find a faster way to stream.
What if we use an external hdd which will connect to the router? You think it might help?
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Hey, I've made some good progress.
I downloaded an app called MediaHouse UPnP / DLNA Browser from app store and a uPnP server (I used XBMC - all I had to do to set it up after installing it was to add my movies folder under videos and then go into system>settings>services>uPnP and select share video and libraries trough UPnP) and that's it. Then I just open MediaHouse on my Nexus 10 (leave xbmc in background on pc) and browse my files... It works much better then the normal share: I can play movies that I couldn't play before with MX Player and play them using HW+ decoder. The "Birds" demo isn't great but it's much better, I had the best results using bs player, but still a bit laggy, but since you say your videos aren't quite that high in bitrate, maybe you'll get lucky.
I hope this helps. Bye
bv90andy said:
Hey, I've made some good progress.
I downloaded an app called MediaHouse UPnP / DLNA Browser from app store and a uPnP server (I used XBMC - all I had to do to set it up after installing it was to add my movies folder under videos and then go into system>settings>services>uPnP and select share video and libraries trough UPnP) and that's it. Then I just open MediaHouse on my Nexus 10 (leave xbmc in background on pc) and browse my files... It works much better then the normal share: I can play movies that I couldn't play before with MX Player and play them using HW+ decoder. The "Birds" demo isn't great but it's much better, I had the best results using bs player, but still a bit laggy, but since you say your videos aren't quite that high in bitrate, maybe you'll get lucky.
I hope this helps. Bye
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Thank you, this is indeed a very good progress. I was able to play 1080p movies!
Only problem is I can't stream .srt subtitles files along with the movie. The srt file is at the same directory of the movie. XMBC on my pc plays the subtitles, but on my N10 using MediaHouse, it's just being ignored.
Any advice?
Animor said:
Thank you, this is indeed a very good progress. I was able to play 1080p movies!
Only problem is I can't stream .srt subtitles files along with the movie. The srt file is at the same directory of the movie. XMBC on my pc plays the subtitles, but on my N10 using MediaHouse, it's just being ignored.
Any advice?
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OK, apparently uPnP doesn't support subtitles, but I have been able to copy the sub file over, normally, using ES file explorer and then, after you load the movie via mediahouse, in mx player you can click on menu>subtitles>open and select the file from your local storage where you saved it.
I hope this works.
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Thank you. This is not so comfortable, but I guess it should work.
I have posted a question to the author of mediaHouse, perhaps there is a more elegant solution...
Animor said:
Thank you all for your help!
I have made several trials according to your advices. The problem is indeed the wifi.
I have copied a movie that didn't run well through wifi to my N10 ("The Host" - 12GB), and it ran just fine with both BS and MX!
I have also tried "birds" from the post above me. When I tried to run it through wifi:
- MX player with hw+ was completely stuck on the first picture.
- BS player with experimental decoding was very bad, but a bit better than MX.
I have tried it with the N10 very close to the router, so it's not bad wifi reception.
When I copied "birds" file to my N10, it ran just fine with both MX and BS. Since it's 40mps bluray, it's much heavier than any of my 10-15GB movies in terms of mpbs.
Anyway, the problem is indeed caused by the wifi, which is a major bottleneck. Now the question is where is exactly the problem: the router (I have N type router)? N10 wifi? my computer wired Ethernet connection to the router?
How do regular streamers work with 1080p content?
Can I do anything to fix this bottleneck? Perhaps a better router?
What if I use usb OTG and connect USB DOK directly to the N10, do you think it may work?
Thanks again for your help!
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Here is an alternate OTG solution that I use for HD content of all types.(OTG USB Gigabit Ethernet adapter). Just a thought. Note that the drivers for this adapter are in the stock ROM.
http://goo.gl/v2nwLa
I've found another solution:
Using MKVmerge, you can easily merge mkv and srt file. It takes only 2-3 minutes for a movie. Output file is mkv file with embedded subtitles. I've checked it and MX player shows the subtitles just fine via MediaHouse.
Download from here.
Hi!
It took a while but I read the whole thread! I'm happy that you mostly solved your issue, about the Wi-Fi issue it's caused by your LAN speed, I use my old Xoom as media server here, sometimes it becomes really laggy, I solved this problem connecting both the devices (Nexus 10 and Xoom) on my S4 hotspot, believe this is FAST! Using SuperBeam app I usually get from 35-40Mbps. I think most of the android phones with hotspot functionality may have good speeds.
I use Bubble UPnP BTW! Also, if you think too uncomfortable having to manually select your subtitle, I believe BS Player still downloads it automatically and put on auto too. It used to do this with me, I don't know if it still downloads .
Well, those are just some more alternatives you may want to try . As there are some good solutions over there!
All the best,
~Lord
Great news, people!
@bv90andy
I have found a way to stream external srt subtitles along with the movie, using uPnP.
Apparently, only some uPnP media servers and clients support it. In addition, only some movie players can extract this information when streamed through uPnP. I've found several such uPnP media servers, but most of them require payment after a trial period. However, I've managed to find one that doesn't!
So, in order to stream videos with external srt, you need the following:
1. Serviio on you PC.
2. BubbleUPnP on your android device.
3. MX player on your android device.
4. The srt file should have the same name of the movie file, and they have to reside both at the same directory in your PC.
Enjoy!
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about the Wi-Fi issue it's caused by your LAN speed
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You are mistaken - read again the thread. The bottleneck is not the LAN speed or the router, it's smb/cisf protocol, which is too slow to stream 1080p videos. Using uPnP protocol instead of smb/cisf, over the same LAN and with the same router, we have managed to solves the issue.
Animor said:
Great news, people!
@bv90andy
I have found a way to stream external srt subtitles along with the movie, using uPnP.
Apparently, only some uPnP media servers and clients support it. In addition, only some movie players can extract this information when streamed through uPnP. I've found several such uPnP media servers, but most of them require payment after a trial period. However, I've managed to find one that doesn't!
So, in order to stream videos with external srt, you need the following:
1. Serviio on you PC.
2. BubbleUPnP on your android device.
3. MX player on your android device.
4. The srt file should have the same name of the movie file, and they have to reside both at the same directory in your PC.
Enjoy!
ps:You are mistaken - read again the thread. The bottleneck is not the LAN speed or the router, it's smb/cisf protocol, which is too slow to stream 1080p videos. Using uPnP protocol instead of smb/cisf, over the same LAN and with the same router, we have managed to solves the issue.
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Thanks for sharing that.
Hello,
I've tried to search but didn't find an answer.
I'm looking for a way to stream 1080p videos from my PC to android device (Nexus 10 in my case), both on the same wifi lan using N-type router.
I have set a user and password on the PC windows 7, and I can connect to it with my tablet (ES/solid explorer) through the wifi, and stream videos. The problem is this connection type is not fast enough for streaming 1080p videos, so the videos on my tablet lag, shutter, etc.
Any ideas how to solve it? Can I setup a different type of connection/protocol, which will be fast enough for streaming 1080p vidoes?
Any help is appreciated!
Try Plex media server. The android app is $4 (I think) and the PC software is free. The beauty of it is that you can connect to your server from anywhere. I've watched episodes of modern family from the comfort of the bathroom at work without any issues. For high quality video you're going to need to be on Wi-Fi, but you can get great quality video through plex.
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Thank you.
Meanwhile I have found another solution:
- Installing XMBC on my pc and enabling uPNP on it.
- Installing MediaHouse app on my tablet.
uPNP is much faster than the normal Windows SMB, so I can now stream high quality videos without any issue over my wifi.
The only problem is uPNP doesn't support streaming srt subtitles file along with the mkv movie. So I have to copy the srt it locally to the Tablet or embed it to the MKV.
My favorite streaming tool is Emit. www.emitapp.com
They have an Android client, iOS client, and web streamer, and it's a decent-quality transcoder. Totally free.
I have no problems transcribing on an i5-750 that is also a Hyper-V host for 3 VMs, and is running torrents 24/7. It's a dedicated box with a gig connection though, so I have tons of throughput. No problems streaming over LTE on my S4 or over my home connection (50MB comcast)
phishfi said:
Try Plex media server. The android app is $4 (I think) and the PC software is free. The beauty of it is that you can connect to your server from anywhere. I've watched episodes of modern family from the comfort of the bathroom at work without any issues. For high quality video you're going to need to be on Wi-Fi, but you can get great quality video through plex.
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thanks for this man..
TTT. Figured I'd rez this rather than starting a redundant thread.
I gave Plex a shot; I downloaded the Windows App, installed, opened it, but once I tried to navigate to the "Channel Directory" I got this prompt:
Plex Media Server
Waiting on Response...
It never connected to the PMS. I tried some Googles to figure out the problem, but couldn't find anything relevant. So screw Plex.
For now, what I've done is create a Homegroup, and I use ES File Explorer to navigate the Homegroup in the LAN tab. However, there are two things I don't like about this:
The speed is limited. I guess this is an SMB problem. Separately, as a test, I've connected an i5 laptop to this homegroup, and it won't play a 16GB mkv I have of The Avengers over the Homegroup. It's handled any video files I've thrown at it under 5GB, but past that, it appears that the data bandwidth becomes an issue because the video stutters. This couldn't be a shortcoming of the laptop because it could play the files from its native hard drive without issue. Thus, the problem must be the rate of data transferred wireless over the router. So I'm attracted to the uPNP servers.
On Android, it only works for yet smaller files. I'm only able to watch videos that MX Player can handle using SW decoding. This has limited me to low bitrate 480p video. My goal is to be able to watch all my videos and movies on my Xoom or my Droid X. Unfortunately, the Tegra 2 and the ARM V8 processors in these devices aren't very powerful, and the mkv's/mp4's I have aren't specifically encoded for their chipsets. Also, most of my movies are 1080p, and the Xoom is only 1280x800, and the Droid X is 854x480, so there is the additional workload of downscaling. One solution is that I can convert any video I have using a program called "DVD Catalyst", but the conversion rate is ~125% on a minute-per-minute basis, so this is very time consuming. I'd rather that I was able to use my PC's CPU/GPU to decode the video in real time as I watch the video, and stream this over the Homegroup to my phone/tablet. In other words, in principle, I want to use the PC's hardware to do the heavy lifting while the Android device displays the product of that work.
What's the best way to do this? The OP mentioned he uses XMBC and MediaHouse. Is this optimal, or is there a better method for my goal?
Of course SMB is slow, I wrote it on the first post - this was my main problem. It's ok for 720p but not for 1080p.
You can use XMBC and MediaHouse - it will work but will not stream the .srt subtitles. There are other free uPnP options I've found that work with external subtitles, if you're interested.
Anyway, if you have resolution scaling issues that your android device cannot handle on the fly, I suggest you to re-encode the video offline on your PC.
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Of course SMB is slow, I wrote it on the first post - this was my main problem. It's ok for 720p but not for 1080p.
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I suppose I didn't make it clear, but it's because of what you wrote that I was presuming that SMB was my issue. Still, I can play most 1080p content over the WLAN to the laptop; just not the 1080p content with a really high bitrate.
You can use XMBC and MediaHouse - it will work but will not stream the .srt subtitles. There are other free uPnP options I've found that work with external subtitles, if you're interested.
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Have you found desktop server software and an Android app that you prefer to these? Please elaborate if you have.
Anyway, if you have resolution scaling issues that your android device cannot handle on the fly, I suggest you to re-encode the video offline on your PC.
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In part #2 of my post I described why I already use this as an option, but I would prefer not having to do this. This gets to the heart of what I'm trying to learn. Is it possible to play the desktop files on the tablet/phone without offline conversion? I can conceptualize two theoretical ways, but I have no idea- assuming they are even possible- if there is software that would enable me to do this:
(1) Streaming conversion.
Without creating a new, converted file from the source 1080p video, I'm wondering if there is a program that will convert the desktop 1080p video in real time while streaming that over the network to the Android device. Perhaps it wasn't clear, but my PC is powerful enough that most video converts in the DVD Catalyst software at a minimum 1.25x rate (meaning that 5 minutes of video will convert in about 4 minutes). Thus, a real-time conversion stream seems possible since it would take less time to convert a movie than it would take to watch it. This kills the waiting period and also storage issues. Using offline conversion, I have to decide what I want to watch, convert it, then play the converted file (which takes up additional space on my hard drive). If I could convert-in-stream, then I could simply pick whatever video I wanted to watch, and play it without having to wait for it to convert, and I wouldn't have to worry about extra space being used.
(2) Display mirroring.
The PC plays the video as it would on itself in VLC, and somehow mirrors this image (like with NFC) over the network. No conversion; only downscaling, and this shouldn't be a problem because my PC can easily downscale 1080p to 720p on VLC without stutter. Ergo, in this scenario, the Android device becomes basically a computer monitor that is receiving the data stream over a network rather than from an HDMI/DVI/VGA cable. This seems like the simpler option. Anyone know if it's possible?
Hi,
As for your question, I have found a way to stream external srt subtitles along with the movie, using free uPnP.
Apparently, only some uPnP media servers and clients support it. In addition, only some movie players can extract this information when streamed through uPnP. I've found several such uPnP media servers, but most of them require payment after a trial period. However, I've managed to find one that doesn't
So, in order to stream videos with external srt, you need the following:
1. Serviio on you PC.
2. BubbleUPnP on your android device.
3. MX player on your android device.
4. The srt file should have the same name of the movie file, and they have to reside both at the same directory in your PC.
If you want to check your system under heavy or moderate bit rate, you can use this:
http://www.auby.no/files/video_tests/
"birds" is quite heavy. If you get it to work, you won't have any problem with 1080p movies.
Perhaps the term "1080p" movies is not accurate. What really matter is the bitrate. Naturally, 1080p movies requite higher bitrate. So even if you manage to play small-size 1080p movies through smb, I guess that as you wrote yourself, it's because of the lower bitrate.
If you want to make sure where is your bottleneck, copy the movie to your android device and run it locally. you can use "birds" or any other movie you want. If the movie stutter when run locally, then your bottleneck is your android hw. However, don't use SW decoder, use hw decoder. On MX player I use HW+, and on BS player I use the "experimental hw decoding" feature. On my Nexus 10, this is the only way I can handle high bitrate movies.
Regarding what you asked about: I'm sorry, but I am not familiar with a proper way to mirror a high quality video from the PC to the android device. You can try screen sharing/mirror softwares like VNC or TeamViewer, but I don't think they will work with adequate fps for displaying a video.
You're the man, Animor. This is exactly what I needed, and although Servio doesn't "mirror", it does do #1. The word I was searching for there was "transcoding", and their software does just that because I am able to stream all of these 1080p videos flawlessly on my tablet using the Servio + BubbleUPnP (which has a gorgeous UI, btw), and I know for a fact that MX Player-- even with ARMv7 codec support and running H/W+-- couldn't play these files without stutter even when I'd copied them to its local SD. So it's definitely using my PC's processing power.
This is just so amazingly *****ing. I feel like Doc Oc in Spider-Man 2:
"The power of my PC...in the palm of my hand."
I'm glad I could help you
Please note that transcoding on Serviio doesn't run on Generic DLNA profile. So if you are using the generic profile, that's not the explanation for your device able to play the vidoes.
Animor said:
I'm glad I could help you
Please note that transcoding on Serviio doesn't run on Generic DLNA profile. So if you are using the generic profile, that's not the explanation for your device able to play the vidoes.
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Indeed. I spoke too soon forgetting that my "Android Optimized" folder with the movies I'd converted specifically for the Tegra 2 chipset was a subfolder of my greater folder. I tested four movies, and by sheer serendipity, they were all from that subfolder. So I tested the unconverted movies, and, yeah, same problem. MX can't play them using HW/HW+; it's forced to use SW decoding for playback, and it's just too much for the Tegra 2 to handle.
How do I enable a profile that will allow the transcoding that I'm after?
You can choose a profile on one of the tabs on serviio settings. I think it was library.
However I'm not sure you'll find a suitable profile for your device.
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I have used many applications for streaming. 1080p is dream.I even bought a new wifi router for stream. Now i have 1Gbit lan an 300Mbit wifi speed at home.The best result was obtained using Bsplayer and EsExplorer on android and standart network folder in Win7(Ubuntu - better) .
Max play 720p in hw decoding mode.
I suggest to those facing various issues to try out the app ''Emit''. For me, on the same wireless network, it functions well, playing external subtitles just fine.
OK so I've been going down this road on an Android tablet & this seems to work well.
1) BubbleUPNP - connects to my Samsung's AllShare server for my TV on mypc wired into the network.
2) KMPlayer - backwards compatible & it just works with all my files when selecting in bubbleUPNP.
The other way to approach this is IMO using FX File Explorer Pro (local p2p site for unlocked apk) & this enables network support? Again, the media player was what really gave me issues, KWPlayer worked best for me.
Animor said:
Hi,
As for your question, I have found a way to stream external srt subtitles along with the movie, using free uPnP.
Apparently, only some uPnP media servers and clients support it. In addition, only some movie players can extract this information when streamed through uPnP. I've found several such uPnP media servers, but most of them require payment after a trial period. However, I've managed to find one that doesn't
So, in order to stream videos with external srt, you need the following:
1. Serviio on you PC.
2. BubbleUPnP on your android device.
3. MX player on your android device.
4. The srt file should have the same name of the movie file, and they have to reside both at the same directory in your PC.
If you want to check your system under heavy or moderate bit rate, you can use this:
http://www.auby.no/files/video_tests/
"birds" is quite heavy. If you get it to work, you won't have any problem with 1080p movies.
Perhaps the term "1080p" movies is not accurate. What really matter is the bitrate. Naturally, 1080p movies requite higher bitrate. So even if you manage to play small-size 1080p movies through smb, I guess that as you wrote yourself, it's because of the lower bitrate.
If you want to make sure where is your bottleneck, copy the movie to your android device and run it locally. you can use "birds" or any other movie you want. If the movie stutter when run locally, then your bottleneck is your android hw. However, don't use SW decoder, use hw decoder. On MX player I use HW+, and on BS player I use the "experimental hw decoding" feature. On my Nexus 10, this is the only way I can handle high bitrate movies.
Regarding what you asked about: I'm sorry, but I am not familiar with a proper way to mirror a high quality video from the PC to the android device. You can try screen sharing/mirror softwares like VNC or TeamViewer, but I don't think they will work with adequate fps for displaying a video.
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thanks, works now for me!
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thanks, works now for me!
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I like folder music player.
I know I'm resurrecting a long dead thread but I figured everyone here is/was interested in about the same thing, so you may already have found a solution.
Basically it had already been asked earlier as one of two options, but was passed over for the other. Did anyone ever get mirroring the video to work? There's lot of mirror apps out there but I'm looking for a way that will let me play a video on my PC and mirror it directly as is on my phone, while still having full control over the video on my PC. This also let's me further control DTS tracks which gets decoded by my AV receiver instead of my phone, therefore audio isn't an issue, I just need video. Any ideas?