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Could we get MeeGo on our Hero?

Hey guys,
Now, I understand that we have issues porting even other Android builds over to our phone so I'm not holding my breath. I am curious to see if we could possibly get MeeGo ported over though. I am going to download some things and play around with it tonight if I get a chance but until then, any thoughts?
And nobody say, "Why would you want to?" or anything like that. It's just something fun to play around with.

I'd be up for helping in some way. To be honest though, I don't know if our phone could power it, unfortunately. It so far is being only made to run on devices with Intel Atom CPU's and the Nokia N900... which I'm almost positive has a stronger CPU than the Hero. But nonetheless, we can try

mrinehart93 said:
I'd be up for helping in some way. To be honest though, I don't know if our phone could power it, unfortunately. It so far is being only made to run on devices with Intel Atom CPU's and the Nokia N900... which I'm almost positive has a stronger CPU than the Hero. But nonetheless, we can try
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The N900 has a 600Mhz CPU. Not sure if it's the OMAP3 that's in the Droid or not but it's not too much more powerful. It does have 1GB of memory though which may or may not hurt.

Ok. Maybe we'll have overclocking accomplished by then which would help. Curious, which build of MeeGo would we use? The one for the N900 or the Atom? I'm guessing the N900, correct?

mrinehart93 said:
Ok. Maybe we'll have overclocking accomplished by then which would help. Curious, which build of MeeGo would we use? The one for the N900 or the Atom? I'm guessing the N900, correct?
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Correct. The N900 build is made for ARM processors.

let me know if you get it to work because i'm dying to try it out

chuckhriczko said:
Hey guys,
Now, I understand that we have issues porting even other Android builds over to our phone so I'm not holding my breath. I am curious to see if we could possibly get MeeGo ported over though. I am going to download some things and play around with it tonight if I get a chance but until then, any thoughts?
And nobody say, "Why would you want to?" or anything like that. It's just something fun to play around with.
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This isn't just something to do for fun, actually. It would be really beneficial to have a REAL platform on the Hero, not just this hokey-pokey malware playground known as Android. It was fun to play with but lets face it - Linux Applications have near-infinite trust, familiarity, reliability, security, and usability compared to this zoo of "apps". The day Android allows me to CONTROL which permissions an app may access, as opposed to just staring at a blanket list with a "install" or "don't install" option then I'll revisit this - in the meantime give me apt and a debian respository controlled by trustworthy developers!

You can't control what permissions your apps have?

Kaboosh said:
This isn't just something to do for fun, actually. It would be really beneficial to have a REAL platform on the Hero, not just this hokey-pokey malware playground known as Android. It was fun to play with but lets face it - Linux Applications have near-infinite trust, familiarity, reliability, security, and usability compared to this zoo of "apps". The day Android allows me to CONTROL which permissions an app may access, as opposed to just staring at a blanket list with a "install" or "don't install" option then I'll revisit this - in the meantime give me apt and a debian respository controlled by trustworthy developers!
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Without nit-picking some of that apart for accuracy, I get the jist of what you are saying and I can definitely get behind some MeeGo goodness on the Hero. I'm a Debian junkie too, I love my apt as much as the next guy, but I can't help but think that Android is a pretty damn good fit for a phone. If we were talking about a tablet or something more compute-centric, give me a full blown distro, definitely. For something like my phone which I use for music, messaging, notes, and phone calls, I'm really quite happy with Android, even with it's shortcomings.
The right tool for the job. Although I'm always down with getting Debian to work on ANYTHING I can.... just because I can, I'm happy with Android on my phone. (CM6 makes mouth happy)
If a few peeps want to get serious about this and maybe have some ideas on drivers (besides the touch panel), count me in. I work on a Debian desktop every single day of my life.

Ah Debian...
If I'm not mistaken we have a port of Debian with lxde.
But I do think Android works more then well enough and as for malware you have to keep in mind this is just like any other os. You deal with what you install, always research what you install before you go about doing so.

damiandarkwater said:
Ah Debian...
If I'm not mistaken we have a port of Debian with lxde.
But I do think Android works more then well enough and as for malware you have to keep in mind this is just like any other os. You deal with what you install, always research what you install before you go about doing so.
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Absolutely. I do not care if you are running OpenBSD for f's sake - if someone decides to place some crapware into your /usr/ports and you decide to blindly compile / install it, then you are just as susceptible to problems as you are on a Windows XP box. At least Android gives you the benefit of blatantly telling you what the app is going to be grated access to by YOU, the user.

Honeycomb ROM, are we going to let the nook guys beat us?

Picture me in the braveheart costume for this: the nookcolor has an early port of honeycomb working already. They skipped right over froyo and gingerbread, how dare they! The nook isn't even a true android tablet, I say we fight, show them what a real 3.0 tablet looks like! Who's with me?
Seriously though, any gen 8 devs have an idea here? I'm aware the full SDK isnt even out but can we do it? I'm not a programmer but i pledge my time and brain to the cause. I'd even throw $20 to the dev.

I can draw a boot screen for it in MS Paint.
I bought my 101 knowing that Froyo would be acceptable, but hoping that there would be community support to bring Gingerbread along too.

Not going to happen on the 70 until source is out. The emulator image won't run at the 70's resolution. The launcher just crashes. Could happen on the 101 though. I only have the 70 so not much i can do to help with that device.

LOL. I was coming here to post the exact same question.
I hope that Archos understands that They need to be proactive with respect to pushing new versions of Android. I have a Moto Cliq, and Motorola hasn't even tried to push Froyo out yet. It is so annoying to be a step behind everyone else. I hope Archos isn't going to take the same approach.

If you look closely you will see that the honeycomb in there is running on a 2.6.29 kernel.
So there schould be no real problem.

When the full SDK Source code is released can we expect a ROM? I really hope so, although I'm fairly confident Archos will follow through and give us an official release.

I blame availability (Nook is about everywhere). Hopefully in the upcoming days I will be donating my Archos to a group of people who do AOSP work.

Tsusai said:
I blame availability (Nook is about everywhere). Hopefully in the upcoming days I will be donating my Archos to a group of people who do AOSP work.
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Won't we need a custom bootloader before we can load a new ROM? Isn't is b/c Archos has signed and encrypted the actual "ROM" layer of Android that we can't flash our own ROMs?
From my understanding, and someone please correct me if I am wrong since I'm just learning, Archos has file system protections on Application Framework, the Andriod Runtime, and the Libraries but has unlocked the Kernel layer in the SDE for us (http://developer.android.com/guide/basics/what-is-android.html) . Essentially we can adjust how the hardware interacts with their mostly vanilla versions of Eclair and Froyo but can't change what is a majority of what people call the "ROM". It seems that $auron and a few others are gifted with finding ways to change the way the ROM functions by programming at the Kernel level.
Of course, this is what I've pieced together from tons of different sources so I'm open to someone correcting me...

With SDE we can boot just about anything as long as it has the drivers to play nice with the hardware in the Archos. A version of Android built for tablets would be relatively easy compared to some of the schemes people have been trying.
What you say is true for most devices, but giving us the SDE side of things was a real nice gift by Archos. Basically they handed us the keys and told us if we broke it we bought it, which is what a lot of people have been asking the manufacturers of other devices to do for a long time.

p0rk burn said:
What you say is true for most devices, but giving us the SDE side of things was a real nice gift by Archos. Basically they handed us the keys and told us if we broke it we bought it, which is what a lot of people have been asking the manufacturers of other devices to do for a long time.
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That's correct

chulri said:
That's correct
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and it will even keep me buying archos products. which is really what they want.
maybe they will get into the phone business....

L0$t$0ul said:
Not going to happen on the 70 until source is out. The emulator image won't run at the 70's resolution. The launcher just crashes. Could happen on the 101 though. I only have the 70 so not much i can do to help with that device.
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They just made it run on a Dell Streak, and it's 800x480 like archos 70 ... so ...

p0rk burn said:
Basically they handed us the keys and told us if we broke it we bought it, which is what a lot of people have been asking the manufacturers of other devices to do for a long time.
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Um...I'm pretty sure I bought it already. It cost 275.

lechuckthepirate said:
They just made it run on a Dell Streak, and it's 800x480 like archos 70 ... so ...
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Streaks source is open ,isn't it?
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Moved to general as not android development

If you look at the video that was just posted for the streak it "looks" like they got it working by somehow telling the launcher to launch at a different resolution from the screen so a lot of stuff is off screen on the launcher.
From what I could see from tinkering with the 70 and the sdk the launcher itself will crash if you try to start it up at 800x480. I'm not sure if that can be fixed without source but I'm not an expert in Launchers. People have managed to get a rom to work on a phone by replacing the launcher but that's not the gingerbread experience we would want on our tablets so what's the point in that?
I'm sure once the source is available for the launcher it'll be easy to get a rom on here.

L0$t$0ul said:
If you look at the video that was just posted for the streak it "looks" like they got it working by somehow telling the launcher to launch at a different resolution from the screen so a lot of stuff is off screen on the launcher.
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Just had an idea, using this as a basis of the idea...
Could we (and when I say we, I mean a dev who can actually do this kinda stuff) do a similar thing, but instead of changing the resolution, change the LCD density?
I am not sure if this would work at all, but the theory is this:
If LCD density is changed, you have the appearance of a higher resolution, this generally messes with standard launchers in bad ways. However, if the standard launcher is messed up out of the screen (i.e. as if parts are on non-existing pixels off screen) could this mixture of events work in our favour?
I am not a dev, so this is probably a worthless idea, but thought I'd get it out there just in case its not as worthless as I expect it to be.

Honeycomb won't be coming to the Adam anytime soon...

Google has decided not to release the Honeycomb source code for the foreseeable future.
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2011/tc20110324_269784.htm

I was just coming to post that. This blows.

Wow, that really pushes me toward looking for a tablet with Ubuntu instead. Looks like Honeycomb is a mess rushed for release much to soon. The more I look into Android the more closed it seems.

I think I'm going to go cry now. Does anyone know if NI already has access to Honeycomb or are we completely reamed now?

Hehe...there's a lot of very talented developer and hacker out there...when they got their hands on the xoom im pretty much sure adam with honeycomb.yey
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The article kept talking about putting Honeycomb on phones. I thought Honeycomb was made for tablets and not phones. I guessed I assumed that it was never intended to be put on a phone. Wikipedia talks about ice-cream sandwich (look up android operating system), which I haven't heard of until just now, being a combination of Honeycomb and Gingerbread. (Look at the references)

Everyone, its still available for the open handset alliance people. This includes notion ink. And notion ink already said they ported eden to honeycomb on their blog. There probably gonna launch the next pre orders with honeycomb. Delete this thread please
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craby1925 said:
Everyone, its still available for the open handset alliance people. This includes notion ink. And notion ink already said they ported eden to honeycomb on their blog. There probably gonna launch the next pre orders with honeycomb. Delete this thread please
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NI has had trouble getting the source actually. See the latest interview of Rohan at NIH.
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Either way, he is trying, and whither the hype of notion ink lately Google can't deny him source code. So give it one month and I bet hell have the source. Patience is a virtue that everyone wants to hate
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craby1925 said:
Either way, he is trying, and whither the hype of notion ink lately Google can't deny him source code. So give it one month and I bet hell have the source. Patience is a virtue that everyone wants to hate
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This is actually business as usual... only one company gets to work through development, with one device. So that was the Xoom, and Motorola. On the day the Xoom shipped, other OEMs got source access... I would presume it went to the Open Handset Alliance, but it's quite possible they have a more restricted group for the next phase.
There's a fair chance some things were rushed for the Xoom, and Google wants a chance to fix them. They never once promised anyone open development, only open source. So nothing goes out to source.android.com until it's in its final release form. And that's taken long enough in the past for folks to complain, even without the "heads up" or the presumably longer process, this being a major release, all-new hardware, and a new form factor.
I've been in the computer systems business since the early 80s, and nothing I heard from Google said to me "you don't get the source". Only, it's going to be a wait.
With that said, I would certainly hope that Notion Ink doesn't have to wait for source as long as folks like you and I.

craby1925 said:
Everyone, its still available for the open handset alliance people. This includes notion ink. And notion ink already said they ported eden to honeycomb on their blog. There probably gonna launch the next pre orders with honeycomb. Delete this thread please
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Since no one addressed this yet I will. If you read the post correctly you will see that they have ported the Eden apps to Honeycomb. Not that they ported Honeycomb. Big difference.
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For what it's worth, direct from the horses' mouth?....
http://phandroid.com/2011/04/12/nvi...vers-and-support-for-harmony-tegra-2-devices/
EDIT: With the latest revelations or clarifications, perhaps this was misinterpretation..
Read and comment on the latest HERE

Partial Honeycomb source
Hey guys. What does this mean for us? From what it sounds like its a decent piece of Honeycomb source. Maybe enough to work with. Anyone know what we can do with this? Lets see what can be done.
http://groups.google.com/group/android-building/browse_thread/thread/b732d8cd82695ce1?pli=1

Source is not the issue, the issue is Nvidia driver support, or lack of..
-CC
EDIT: The "lack of" may have changed for the possibility.. Let's Hope.
EDIT2: We can already see that devices based on the same Harmony platform are claiming, at least some advancement (upgrades) in the news.

clockcycle said:
Source is not the issue, the issue is Nvidia driver support, or lack of..
-CC
EDIT: The "lack of" may have changed for the possibility.. Let's Hope.
EDIT2: We can already see that devices based on the same Harmony platform are claiming, at least some advancement (upgrades) in the news.
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So what is it that were having to wait for? Do we have no way or modifying current drivers to work?
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Amon Darthir said:
So what is it that were having to wait for? Do we have no way or modifying current drivers to work?
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How can I put this the way I understand it...
NVIDIA makes some reference graphics card, ASUS works on this reference card tweaking it to their custom specs and release their own version of it.
ASUS tweaks the drivers given to them by NVIDIA that works with their reference card and makes/adds what ever is needed to make it work with their version of this reference card..
Let's say NVIDIA's drivers are made for Windows 98, so that's as far as this reference card will work with and there is only so much ASUS can do with that.
Then Windows ME, XP, Vista and 7 come out... But NVIDIA stops supporting or doesn't release any more drivers. So ASUS has nothing else they can make their card work on these new versions of Windows..
Now you have to think in broader terms, I am over simplifying it and this is not the only factors..
New hardware new advances being made every day, just don't make it cost effective and convincing enough for the consumer to keep buying that older card that was for Windows 98 for their Windows 7 machine, they need something better.
NVIDIA makes something better, other vendors work on that instead. ASUS not wanting to be left behind trying to make that older card work, comes out with newer versions of what NVIDIA is coming out with...
Let's say Xpertcolor was still working on the older card and can't afford to just dump it and work on a newer card because they aren't as big as ASUS has gotten... They are at the mercy of NVIDIA..
Hope that sorta makes some sense..
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clockcycle said:
How can I put this the way I understand it...
NVIDIA makes some reference graphics card, ASUS works on this reference card tweaking it to their custom specs and release their own version of it.
ASUS tweaks the drivers given to them by NVIDIA that works with their reference card and makes/adds what ever is needed to make it work with their version of this reference card..
Let's say NVIDIA's drivers are made for Windows 98, so that's as far as this reference card will work with and there is only so much ASUS can do with that.
Then Windows ME, XP, Vista and 7 come out... But NVIDIA stops supporting or doesn't release any more drivers. So ASUS has nothing else they can make their card work on these new versions of Windows..
Now you have to think in broader terms, I am over simplifying it and this is not the only factors..
New hardware new advances being made every day, just don't make it cost effective and convincing enough for the consumer to keep buying that older card that was for Windows 98 for their Windows 7 machine, they need something better.
NVIDIA makes something better, other vendors work on that instead. ASUS not wanting to be left behind trying to make that older card work, comes out with newer versions of what NVIDIA is coming out with...
Let's say Xpertcolor was still working on the older card and can't afford to just dump it and work on a newer card because they aren't as big as ASUS has gotten... They are at the mercy of NVIDIA..
Hope that sorta makes some sense..
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I suppose so. Frustrating that there isn't really anything we can do about it.
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clockcycle said:
How can I put this the way I understand it...
NVIDIA makes some reference graphics card, ASUS works on this reference card tweaking it to their custom specs and release their own version of it.
ASUS tweaks the drivers given to them by NVIDIA that works with their reference card and makes/adds what ever is needed to make it work with their version of this reference card..
Let's say NVIDIA's drivers are made for Windows 98, so that's as far as this reference card will work with and there is only so much ASUS can do with that.
Then Windows ME, XP, Vista and 7 come out... But NVIDIA stops supporting or doesn't release any more drivers. So ASUS has nothing else they can make their card work on these new versions of Windows..
Now you have to think in broader terms, I am over simplifying it and this is not the only factors..
New hardware new advances being made every day, just don't make it cost effective and convincing enough for the consumer to keep buying that older card that was for Windows 98 for their Windows 7 machine, they need something better.
NVIDIA makes something better, other vendors work on that instead. ASUS not wanting to be left behind trying to make that older card work, comes out with newer versions of what NVIDIA is coming out with...
Let's say Xpertcolor was still working on the older card and can't afford to just dump it and work on a newer card because they aren't as big as ASUS has gotten... They are at the mercy of NVIDIA..
Hope that sorta makes some sense..
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Doesn't mean that Asus can't continue to use the older drivers if Nvidia doesn't come out with something new or if Asus doesn't want to move to another new reference design. It would be up to Asus to continue updates for tech that Nvidia has moved away from. This is usually true for tech that companies have just put out (on the market) even though it is considered old by tech standards.
The question that remains for us is will Notion Ink keep the comments they made about moving to newer OS versions. Only time will tell.

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Doesn't mean that Asus can't continue to use the older drivers if Nvidia doesn't come out with something new or if Asus doesn't want to move to another new reference design. It would be up to Asus to continue updates for tech that Nvidia has moved away from. This is usually true for tech that companies have just put out (on the market) even though it is considered old by tech standards.
The question that remains for us is will Notion Ink keep the comments they made about moving to newer OS versions. Only time will tell.
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Moar i.e.; There are new features in Windows 7 which NIVIDIA never made drivers for old card, so you don't have old drivers to use to make that new feature work...
There are advancements made taking advantage of faster, newer graphics, that ASUS can't update or work on unless NVIDIA updates and gives it to them..
So yeah ASUS could in theory keep working the old drivers and make that older card work on Windows 7, but can't take advantage of any of the new features, it's slow, slower than it was on Windows 98. All the games and programs made to take advantage of these new features in Windows 7, the old Windows 98 card just can't handle, so those new games and programs just won't work or if they do, really slow and not worth the hassle.. ASUS says screw that, Xpertcolor sighs...
Get it?
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adam may not get Honeycomb?
If true it looks like the adam will not be getting Honeycomb. it does not meet the screen resolution requirement. This normally changes after it runs the internet but Honeycomb is being treated differently
http://www.knowyourmobile.com/blog/...rements_confirmed_bad_news_for_htc_flyer.html

[Q] Ugh no NVFlash, is there?

Has anyone been successful in booting into APX/NVFlash mode on this? I have one ordered and already have a little buyers remorse.. blobs and all that junk, its rather pathetic. No OC kernel either, eh? Coming from a 1.7ghz gtab, this might be unusable! Well, we'll see. Are there any custom branches of the asus source? Maybe we can get a few things working like gpu/cpu oc to t25 standards.

Currently nvflash is locked. Overclocked kernals are coming i've heard. Alot of the problems with really custom stuff is the lack of source code.

Woops lost my intended post.. was something to the tune of how nvflash has saved many gtabs from being bricked.. seriously, its a great tool. I'm sure its a Google thing, maybe one of their Honeycomb decrees. Probably thinking of how nvflash and Windows 8 would come into play..
Google is really getting on my nerves... they're starting to get the "we know better than you, so here" attitude that Apple has. Catch the diss on Microsoft, regarding their 'torture' of users by letting them manage things? Ugh. Google can't play the bash ms card, its ****ing old. Can't believe I bought another tegra tab.. who wants?

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Woops lost my intended post.. was something to the tune of how nvflash has saved many gtabs from being bricked.. seriously, its a great tool. I'm sure its a Google thing, maybe one of their Honeycomb decrees. Probably thinking of how nvflash and Windows 8 would come into play..
Google is really getting on my nerves... they're starting to get the "we know better than you, so here" attitude that Apple has. Catch the diss on Microsoft, regarding their 'torture' of users by letting them manage things? Ugh. Google can't play the bash ms card, its ****ing old. Can't believe I bought another tegra tab.. who wants?
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I think its the company that makes the device that is blocking nvflash not google.

Blades said:
Woops lost my intended post.. was something to the tune of how nvflash has saved many gtabs from being bricked.. seriously, its a great tool. I'm sure its a Google thing, maybe one of their Honeycomb decrees. Probably thinking of how nvflash and Windows 8 would come into play..
Google is really getting on my nerves... they're starting to get the "we know better than you, so here" attitude that Apple has. Catch the diss on Microsoft, regarding their 'torture' of users by letting them manage things? Ugh. Google can't play the bash ms card, its ****ing old. Can't believe I bought another tegra tab.. who wants?
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Is your rant finished? Maybe you should have read up a little before purchasing this wonderful tablet. So you dont want a tegra tab huh? Whats left to choose from? Ipad? GL

husker91 said:
Is your rant finished? Maybe you should have read up a little before purchasing this wonderful tablet. So you dont want a tegra tab huh? Whats left to choose from? Ipad? GL
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I said I can't believe I bought another Tehran tab. Key word is another. Nvidia is starting to pull their antics with gb video decoding drivers for the harmony board. By antics, I mean what they've (and ATI) been doing with their linux video drivers - not supporting older hardware and not releasing source so consumers can create their own drivers for 'older' hardware - ie harmony based devices.
I might only have a use for an ipad as a dog toy/frisbee - I have a pitbull and a Dogo Argentino, itd be funny.
I was done with my rant.. but I suppose you prolonged it.
BTW: I did read up. I found no info on the issue of NVFlash. Have a Xoom, Gtab, and now one of these wonderful tablets. So far, the gtab is the most fun. Can the Asus get 4700 in quadrant? Do you see it ever being that fast? You're right about lack of alternatives, I suppose there is the Hardkernel odroids for someone like me, new device has a modular cpu board.
I'll be sure to at least try to get nvflash working. Does anyone have a bootloader they could post up? Usually viewing in a hex editor can give you a clue as to what the boot scenarios could be.

There's a thread over in development where several people tried to get nvflash going. Their opinions in the end were nvflash is locked and you need some sort of signed key to use it. Any nvflash commands tried, failed.
It may be possible that in the future asus may provide the key, but from their response to the people who bricked via the ota update (just having them rma the device), it doesn't seem like it.

You probably need a dev bootloader. This is based on the Ventana board, right? Another reason could be that the nvflash tool doesn't support ext* fs, but I doubt that. If Asus releases a tegra2 linux netbook, based on the same Ventana board, things could get better. Thanks for the heads up. I'll check out the development section

I know quadrant is pretty cool benchmarking tool but you might want to give this a try too. Grab a friend, load the same movie up on the Gtab and the Transformer, place both the devices three feet in front of you flat on a table and ask your friend which one is better.
I had to return my GTab when my girlfriend commented that having a tablet that can't actually be seen unless held at the right angle directly in front of you is rather useless.
The Transformer is a brand new tablet with an active, if somewhat still empty handed, community behind it. Out of the box though, using the default software, it's an entirely useable system that does exactly what I want it too (in my case quickly display photos, web browsing, youtubing and web surfing). I suspect three months from now it'll have some solid development work behind it since all of the alternatives have managed to overlook the importance of price point as well as innovation in their scheduled releases.

i just downloaded nvflash and just got my root was easy as pie rooted in literally in five minutes would have been 2 minutes but my computer is a bit slow let me know if you would like some links i got it to work

ubuntu for android

http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
So how long till we see this on roms?

This is awesome. I use Ubuntu as my OS on my home PC.

Propably not anytime soon. Devs at the Atrix forums still haven't gotten webtop ported to CM and our bootloaders have been unlocked for many months now. Even with the webtop source released they still haven't ported it. FYI, webtop is Motorola's crappy implementation of this.
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going forward this is going to be pretty sweet to see this side-by-side on an android phone <-> docked PC style
Not exactly sure it has a place on a xoom though - I guess when you 'dock' the xoom up to the TV it might be nice - but I like my xoom as a xoom - although the concept for getting it in a phone to dock up with laptop is far more feasible for me... but then this could be because i'm a fairly casual user of the xoom and only use it at home in place of a laptop...?
anyway its an awesome idea so I hope it works well!

i agree 100% Good idea but not so practical

d3athsd00r said:
Propably not anytime soon. Devs at the Atrix forums still haven't gotten webtop ported to CM and our bootloaders have been unlocked for many months now. Even with the webtop source released they still haven't ported it. FYI, webtop is Motorola's crappy implementation of this.
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Personally I think that webtop didn't have enough want for it, I personally didn't need it. Airdroid did more than enough for me. But with this it's an entire operating system that everyone knows well and has MANY uses including being able to use android apps inside of it. I know I would LOVE to see it on my phone and perhaps the tablet.

I'd love to see this on my xoom.

I, too, would love to have something like this on my Xoom. A tablet would be a more practical platform for Ubunto, IMO, especially on the go when/if the need arises to use Ubuntu away from the dock. This could be implemented as a virtual machine running inside of Android (or vice versa) or as a dual boot solution. Either way, I'm all for it.
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omac_ranger said:
Personally I think that webtop didn't have enough want for it, I personally didn't need it. Airdroid did more than enough for me. But with this it's an entire operating system that everyone knows well and has MANY uses including being able to use android apps inside of it. I know I would LOVE to see it on my phone and perhaps the tablet.
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I agree with the lack of need, however, from what I understand (never actually used webtop) it is a full Ubuntu OS, just highly modified by Motorola, and can be modified (not easily) by rooted and/or unlocked users. Also, some standard applications like open office and gimp have been successfully installed I believe. But with only a 1GHz dual core CPU and 1GB of RAM shared b/t Android and webtop, I could imagine that it would be very difficult to get the feel of a full laptop/desktop out of an android phone or tablet.
IMO, the best implementation of Ubuntu for Android would have two parts.
Tablets: Dual-boot to a full OS that either has minor Android capabilities or none at all (use apps in a way similar to WINE perhaps) but also include the option to switch to Ubuntu (with or without a dock) while Android is running, but disable certain memory/CPU hogging features of the full OS.
Phones: Strip down Ubuntu to its bare minimums and create a Repo specifically for UfA so that users can install basic productivity applications. A mobile view, similar to how webtop is implemented, would allow you to manipulate the phone in another window and run all of your available Android applications along with UfA. Also, I would like to see the feature that would allow phones to switch to the tablet UI automatically when they detect a dock or HDMI cable, instead of having to manually switch it over similar to this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1483221