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Alarm woes with CM 5.0

Since no one replied to this message in the official CM 5.0 thread. I have decided to create a new thread and hope to find a solution to this problem.
My alarm clock would stop working randomly ever since I flashed to CM 5.0, from Beta 4 to 5..2, the problem persists. If i set an alarm that is about one hour from now, it would go off. But the real alarm I need which is supposed to go off at 8 am in the morning never goes off. Anyone had similar problems? I read Cyanogen's warning about the alarm clock problem. But seems he's just trying to remind you to reset your alarm after flashing to CM. Unluckily, I've reset my alarm numerous times and it never goes off in the morning.
Anyone can give me a hand? Thanks in advance! Overall, CM is a great ROM which gives me the option to use open vpn, which is vital for me since I'm living in China behind the GFW.

Are you by chance using any taskillers?

I do use a task-killer program. But I always keep the clock app on while i'm sleeping to try to make sure the alarm goes off on time. But it never does in the morning.

Don't use task killers on the N1, there really is no need.

cyanogen said:
Don't use task killers on the N1, there really is no need.
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I wouldn't say that's accurate... The phone does slow down noticeably when you have 20-30+ things open
Sometimes a lot of them are running as well (using TasKiller, a lot of Yellow, including Camera, Gmail etc even when not in use and no emails being downloaded). This probably affects battery life as well.

Paul22000 said:
I wouldn't say that's accurate... The phone does slow down noticeably when you have 20-30+ things open
Sometimes a lot of them are running as well (using TasKiller, a lot of Yellow, including Camera, Gmail etc even when not in use and no emails being downloaded). This probably affects battery life as well.
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Do you have any evidence to back this up? Yes this was a problem on older devices because many things would be fighting over the tiny amount of RAM.
You'll see lots of processes running but that's just the way Android works. Since it doesn't really benefit from simple caching like a normal linux system would, it just keeps everything running and kills unused stuff when memory is low. Most of the things you see running are either paused and using no CPU, or are services that would be periodically launched anyway.
http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/fundamentals.html#lcycles
Keeping these processes alive should actually be saving you battery rather than using it. It's more expensive to launch and restore the state of an application or service after being killed than it is to simply resume one that's been paused.

cyanogen said:
Do you have any evidence to back this up? Yes this was a problem on older devices because many things would be fighting over the tiny amount of RAM.
You'll see lots of processes running but that's just the way Android works. Since it doesn't really benefit from simple caching like a normal linux system would, it just keeps everything running and kills unused stuff when memory is low. Most of the things you see running are either paused and using no CPU, or are services that would be periodically launched anyway.
http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/fundamentals.html#lcycles
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Yes. The phone gets slow when TasKiller shows 30 things in it. I click close all, and it's faster. Do you know my personal experiences more than I do?

Paul22000 said:
Yes. The phone gets slow when TasKiller shows 30 things in it. I click close all, and it's faster. Do you know my personal experiences more than I do?
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I think there is likely one or two specific misbehaving applications that are giving you trouble, rather than the way the system works as a whole, thats all.

I think what Cyanogen is saying is that android does not handle running processes the way other os's do They have a lifecycle that is non-obvious to someone just looking at a process list. If you insist on killing tasks outside of the activity/service lifecycle they you _will_ get service failures (like the alarm clock) its up to you what you value more.

I have not installed any sort of task manager (outside what's in astro but I don't use it) and never see any noticeable slow down.

Anyway - back on topic.
Yes I have the same issue, never had it before.
Since flashine 5.0.2 my alarm doesn't work in the morning.

The linux kernel keeps a buffer cache of recently used files in RAM. So whenever an application wants to access something on the flash, instead of going to the flash file system, it can just get it from the file buffer cache in RAM, a significant speed increase.
If the RAM is currently being taken up by unused android apps, then that leaves less room for the buffer cache, so in theory, by killing off unused android apps more quickly, that will allow the linux kernel to allocate more space for the buffer cache and thus speeding up the system.
Am I way off here?
Dave
cyanogen said:
Do you have any evidence to back this up? Yes this was a problem on older devices because many things would be fighting over the tiny amount of RAM.
You'll see lots of processes running but that's just the way Android works. Since it doesn't really benefit from simple caching like a normal linux system would, it just keeps everything running and kills unused stuff when memory is low. Most of the things you see running are either paused and using no CPU, or are services that would be periodically launched anyway.
http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/fundamentals.html#lcycles
Keeping these processes alive should actually be saving you battery rather than using it. It's more expensive to launch and restore the state of an application or service after being killed than it is to simply resume one that's been paused.
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I would have to agree with Cyanogen on this one. When I first got my N1, I looked towards task killers to help alleviate slowdown, but in the end, I think it's just the placebo effect in a way; you did something to try to solve the problem, and so therefore you perceive a difference.
In other words, task killers aren't needed on this beast of a phone. As for battery life (if that's an issue), look into SetCpu.

Thanks for the reply Cyanogen. I think not using task-killer, or at least not killing the clock app got my alarm working this morning. But I use task-killer not for the purpose of saving ram, but for using less data. Some programs such as facebook or a twitter client would try to connect to the internet every once in a while. I'm on a low data limit plan in China. So I don't want those programs to eat up all my data. When I'm on wifi at home, I don't worry about that. Thanks again.

Same problem. Don't use taskkillers, flashed last CM last night and didn't wake up on time this morning - alarm didn't work, thought I checked that clock icon was on place on notification bar

amwayorlando said:
But I use task-killer not for the purpose of saving ram, but for using less data. Some programs such as facebook or a twitter client would try to connect to the internet every once in a while. I'm on a low data limit plan in China. So I don't want those programs to eat up all my data.
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Have you thought about using something like APNDroid or Toggle Data, to just switch off the cell data when you don't want to use it?

Or, Modify the behavior of the applications you don't want using data?
I have my facebook and twitter for example set to manual update only (for battery saving purposes) because there's nothing there that is critical important info, and I don't need to be notified.
Nice thread though, I'm pretty sure I try to keep people informed that task-killers aren't needed and cause issues, everywhere where it comes up. I find humor that people will still argue, even with a developer, this fact. I've had 150+ hours uptime with no slowdown (and 30 apps running) on the stock rom (without highmem support).

bofslime said:
Or, Modify the behavior of the applications you don't want using data?
I have my facebook and twitter for example set to manual update only (for battery saving purposes) because there's nothing there that is critical important info, and I don't need to be notified.
Nice thread though, I'm pretty sure I try to keep people informed that task-killers aren't needed and cause issues, everywhere where it comes up. I find humor that people will still argue, even with a developer, this fact. I've had 150+ hours uptime with no slowdown (and 30 apps running) on the stock rom (without highmem support).
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Then please inform us of a thread that can verify what you all are saying. Not in an argumentative tone, my linpack score drastically improves after 16 hours of uptime, and a task-killer.
Rom:CM 5.0.2 -OC Kernel

wesbalmer said:
Then please inform us of a thread that can verify what you all are saying. Not in an argumentative tone, my linpack score drastically improves after 16 hours of uptime, and a task-killer.
Rom:CM 5.0.2 -OC Kernel
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This has basically been discussed into the ground. In my eye's, its a fight vs what I like to call "Windows XP mentality", and that there was benefit on phones like the G1. With the copious amounts of memory on the N1 and droid, they cause way more harm, and immeasurable good (if any).
Summary thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=627836
I've linked to quotes from others.
Threads/posts of interest: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5494890#post5494890
And: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5298630#post5298630

Well, this discussion is very interesting, but lets return to our problem with non-working alarm.

auto killer preset or custom settings

Those of you running auto killer in your roms, did you use the aggressive settings or custom?
I'm just curious to see if anyone increased the auto kill.

I use either the aggressive or custom depending on the Rom honestly. DC ROMS= Aggressive. FRESH ROMS= strict. and all others = custom
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I have the damagecontrol rom and I dont know if it came with auto killer or what...I restored my titanium backup and all i know is i dont have it now...is there an apk floating around for it?

Try the market

I thought it was a custom xda application. I didn't see it in
the market.
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I've been using Aggressive on Fresh 2.0d and it's been running great.
I tried Moderate for a while at first, but Homerun Battle 3D wouldn't even startup consistently. Once I changed it to Aggressive it has been working great.
Another quick note. I know Autokiller is supposed to reapply the settings on boot, but I'm not sure mine is. I haven't rebooted for a day or so, but the last couple times I rebooted I couldn't get Homerun Battle to run. Then I went into Autokiller and applied Aggressive again and it would start. Anybody else having similar experiences?

I used either the aggressive or strick on Fresh 2.0d. So far everything is running the smooth and fast. This the way HTC hero should have come out of the box.

What does each preset do? Is this for speed or battery life or both?

flammenwurfer said:
I've been using Aggressive on Fresh 2.0d and it's been running great.
I tried Moderate for a while at first, but Homerun Battle 3D wouldn't even startup consistently. Once I changed it to Aggressive it has been working great.
Another quick note. I know Autokiller is supposed to reapply the settings on boot, but I'm not sure mine is. I haven't rebooted for a day or so, but the last couple times I rebooted I couldn't get Homerun Battle to run. Then I went into Autokiller and applied Aggressive again and it would start. Anybody else having similar experiences?
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Damn. I wish Homerun Battle 3D would run great for me. Problem is I get crummy service at work and with it going in and out of 1x and EVDO, causes the game to lag.
I have noticed sometimes on first opening HRB, it force closes but it always opens the second time.

james33440 said:
Those of you running auto killer in your roms, did you use the aggressive settings or custom?
I'm just curious to see if anyone increased the auto kill.
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i'm running aosp 1.6 from gbhil and i used custom autokiller settings.
the way i see it they made these phones with all this ram may as well use it, what good is it to have all this free ram?
1536,3072,4096 (all default) then hidden app is 7680. content provider is 8960 and empty app is 10240. i normally run around 40-45 free ram thats about where i like it. the phone still runs fine all the way down to 20mb free but any less than that it starts going downhill.
so, im MB my settings are 30 then 35 then 40. runs great!

yeah, I get some lag now and then if I don't have great service. Playing offline seems to work fine though. I think it's just the online play that it effects. A co-worker has a Droid and his lags when playing online as well if he's in a spot without good service.

flammenwurfer said:
yeah, I get some lag now and then if I don't have great service. Playing offline seems to work fine though. I think it's just the online play that it effects. A co-worker has a Droid and his lags when playing online as well if he's in a spot without good service.
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Well, mine actually lags on offline play too. As long as the phone isnt switching back and forth, it runs smooth.

How can you remove this autokiller crap, I have tried freshkitchen, uninstaller, and from settings-applications menu, all to no avail

vedwed said:
How can you remove this autokiller crap, I have tried freshkitchen, uninstaller, and from settings-applications menu, all to no avail
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Using command prompt (adb)
adb shell
# rm Autokiller.apk

troyboytn said:
Using command prompt (adb)
adb shell
# rm Autokiller.apk
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Ohh thanks much appreciated.
I did not try that way, I figured if it couldn't be done in freshkitchen then it was just built into the rom. Thanks much again

Just stop using task killers entirely. This isn't Windows Mobile guys. You're getting all OCD in here about the placebo effect.

Sawawa said:
Just stop using task killers entirely. This isn't Windows Mobile guys. You're getting all OCD in here about the placebo effect.
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Autokiller does have a built in task killer but its real use is to tweak memory settings at boot and then shuts itself down (so Android can take care of the rest). So, in reality it is not really a task killer per say.

Fair enough, but it's still entirely pointless. I trust the device manufacturer and Android far more than I ever would the random numbers that I might otherwise delude myself into believing were somehow better.
Just let Android do its thing all of the time. It doesn't need any additional help (particularly with the process management in 2.1). Stop including this garbage in ROMs.

Sawawa said:
Fair enough, but it's still entirely pointless. I trust the device manufacturer and Android far more than I ever would the random numbers that I might otherwise delude myself into believing were somehow better.
Just let Android do its thing all of the time. It doesn't need any additional help (particularly with the process management in 2.1). Stop including this garbage in ROMs.
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It actually very useful for making roms run smoother. By default the memory numbers are very low, which lets a TON of apps run at the same time. The higher the memory numbers the more it ends apps that you werent even using. It gives what you are currently running or recently ran more priority. Even if you dont use AutoKiller, which is just an app to adjust the memory setting, every rom comes with an edited memory setting other then htc's default. Its most commonly known as gumbo's memory settings.
Also in AutoKiller you can adjust the settings to default, or just really low like htc would have them set.
Its really not a bad thing to include in roms because most people want there rom to be smooth and as close to lag free as they can get. AutoKiller helps achieve that by ending stuff you dont currently have up making the phone run faster. Thats if you have a decently set setting. I run mine on optimum, and it doenst close unnecessary things like if im on the web it stays running.
I can understand an app like Task Killer which just terminates the apps. AutoKiller is just setting the memory setting of your phone, which end apps the same way as if the phone were running normally. Just if the numbers are higher the more apps it will end quicker freeing up more space.
Also you really trust htc and sprint?? haha good luck with that

Jus10o said:
It actually very useful for making roms run smoother. By default the memory numbers are very low, which lets a TON of apps run at the same time. The higher the memory numbers the more it ends apps that you werent even using. It gives what you are currently running or recently ran more priority. Even if you dont use AutoKiller, which is just an app to adjust the memory setting, every rom comes with an edited memory setting other then htc's default. Its most commonly known as gumbo's memory settings.
Also in AutoKiller you can adjust the settings to default, or just really low like htc would have them set.
Its really not a bad thing to include in roms because most people want there rom to be smooth and as close to lag free as they can get. AutoKiller helps achieve that by ending stuff you dont currently have up making the phone run faster. Thats if you have a decently set setting. I run mine on optimum, and it doenst close unnecessary things like if im on the web it stays running.
I can understand an app like Task Killer which just terminates the apps. AutoKiller is just setting the memory setting of your phone, which end apps the same way as if the phone were running normally. Just if the numbers are higher the more apps it will end quicker freeing up more space.
Also you really trust htc and sprint?? haha good luck with that
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Either way it should be a choice made by the USER not someone who decides what I need or do not need on my phone. What I choose to have running or not running, there is no need for this garbage for the average joe who just wants something that does not look and feel like Sprint garbage. If its such a great and useful thing put it on the market and let users have a choice.

CM/Nexus slowdown (of the terrible kind)

I'm having some awful slow-down issues with my N1. Like, 3 second delays between clicking widgets and their intended effect, and even longer switching between home screens (if the screens switch at all).
There's no auto task-killer enabled, I've very recently wiped and re-installed CM, and cleaned out my unused apps. I've got around 200MB of RAM free, constantly. SetCPU is keeping my processor at 461MHz or higher. This is obnoxious as balls, and I can't think of much. :s
Any suggestions?
I'm running CM 5.0.6, btw.

i have the same problem

My N1 is not rooted and I am experiencing slowdowns. When opening txt messages now take 3-5 seconds, and typing completely locks sometimes for 20 seconds. Gmail now takes 5+sec to open and other apps are also seeing this. I just had 10+ programs update themselves and all these issues started appearing suddenly. Also when exiting apps my desktop will be blank for 3-5 seconds. This just happened all within the past 2 weeks or so.

reddragon72 said:
This just happened all within the past 2 weeks or so.
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Yeah, the issue is very recent for me too. Last week.

I am wondering if Google sent out an OTA that is prepping the phone for the 2.2 update??? The reason I say this and not point to an app is the simple fact that I have all my apps stopped completely and the issues still exist.

reddragon72 said:
I am wondering if Google sent out an OTA that is prepping the phone for the 2.2 update??? The reason I say this and not point to an app is the simple fact that I have all my apps stopped completely and the issues still exist.
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Mmm, I dunno about that. I'm running CyanogenMod. I don't get OTA updates. Do you remember, recently, getting an OTA?
Unless it was pushed inside of a market-updated Google app (uhh.. No.), I wouldn't have got it.

Zak Jones! said:
SetCPU is keeping my processor at 461MHz or higher.
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You set your CPU at 461Mhz?? Sure it slow down and lagging. What the point buying a 1Ghz processor phone decide let it run at 461Mhz?
Check the profile if you are not set at 461Mhz, maybe accidently make a profile setting and enable.
Or set your setCPU setting from on demand to on performance.

What kernel are you running?

Andrewtst said:
You set your CPU at 461Mhz?? Sure it slow down and lagging. What the point buying a 1Ghz processor phone decide let it run at 461Mhz?
Check the profile if you are not set at 461Mhz, maybe accidently make a profile setting and enable.
Or set your setCPU setting from on demand to on performance.
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I think he's setting the minimum at 461 hence the "or higher" part.

Well, I can't actually help much except to suggest that perhaps you could try Kang-o-rama (see my sig) and see if that works. It's a stable and fast bundle with no apparent lag. At least I know that setup works.
If you did proceed then posted your results in that thread I might be able to assist. You shouldn't be experiencing lag with this phone... and if you still are after installing Kang-o-rama we could look at logs for you.
No promises but I know Kang-o-rama works...

Success? Sorry for the laggy reply.
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I think he's setting the minimum at 461 hence the "or higher" part.
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Yeah, Copernicus is right, it's at a minimum of 461MHz (now 499MHz.), with a max of 998MHz, running 'on demand'.
antoniouslj said:
What kernel are you running?
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I'm using whichever kernel comes with CM. (2.6.33.2 is specified in the relevant section of his changelog.)
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Well, I can't actually help much except to suggest that perhaps you could try Kang-o-rama.
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Yeah, won't lie, I'm sick of reinstalling all my stuff, so I don't want to do it again. If I keep having issues, I'll look into it though.
Just last night, I wiped both the data partition (factory reset?) and cleared the Dalvik(sp?)-cache. Started from scratch (without Google settings sync.), and reinstalled apps one by one. SO FAR, I haven't had the slowdown, but who knows. All I've got installed yet are the applications that I actually had desktop shortcuts to. (I didn't have very many more, but these are the ones I actually used frequently.)
Anyway, yeah, I'll see how this goes.

K, need a suggestion.
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Anyway, yeah, I'll see how this goes.
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Sooo, it's not going. Still experiencing the slowdown. I honestly can't think of what's doing this. Advanced Task Manager reports > 190MB free (28 processes running), SetCPU is still running at 499MHz or greater (I can't get 'show CPU to work in Dev Tools?).
Ending everything in the "All Apps" tab does not fix the problem; it's speedy for about 30 seconds, then resumes being slow, with the same problems (so maybe it's a process taking up all my CPU cycles? (But my CPU isn't scaling up like it would in that situation...))
Anything I can try doing before re-flashing and/or wiping? I'd rather avoid that, but, of course, if it's the only solution, whatever. Maybe try flashing a new ROM?
Can't think of what else to do here, gentlemen.

Get rid of SetCPU. I had it installed and it started weirding out on me, would not set the processor higher than 384 and nothing I did in the profiles would set it back to 1 GHz. After I uninstalled, my phone returned to it's normal speeds.

Zak Jones! said:
Sooo, it's not going. Still experiencing the slowdown. I honestly can't think of what's doing this. Advanced Task Manager reports > 190MB free (28 processes running), SetCPU is still running at 499MHz or greater (I can't get 'show CPU to work in Dev Tools?).
Ending everything in the "All Apps" tab does not fix the problem; it's speedy for about 30 seconds, then resumes being slow, with the same problems (so maybe it's a process taking up all my CPU cycles? (But my CPU isn't scaling up like it would in that situation...))
Anything I can try doing before re-flashing and/or wiping? I'd rather avoid that, but, of course, if it's the only solution, whatever. Maybe try flashing a new ROM?
Can't think of what else to do here, gentlemen.
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You might not like my advice but it's likely to work:
Don't uninstall SetCPU but set your CPU min to 245 and the max to what you want. Disable profiles but select 'Set on Boot' and 'On Demand'. Do nothing else with SetCPU, leave it alone and do not use the active widget. Your current setup is crazy.
Full wipe (as you've done before) data, cache, dalvik-cache, battery, rotate and then install Kang-o-rama 0.7b1 (no, I'm not simply pushing it, I just know it so well that I can assure you it works).
Do not, under any circumstances restore any data or apps for any application with any application. As soon as you set up your Google account go into Settings | Privacy and disable "Back up my settings" and hit Okay.
Install a task manager if you like for monitoring purposes. Install SetCPU as above if you like for OC.
Install no other apps (now that's the painful part) and use your phone for long enough for you to know with certainty whether it's working as you expect.
In all honesty, if it's still broke after that then you've probably got a hardware issue. If it's working after that then slowly add your apps back until you find what's causing the problem.
Good luck, report back.

So far, uninstalling SetCPU is doing wonders for me. Y'know, over the last 15 minutes. I'll use it throughout the day and see if it keeps performing.
Space for future updates:
****ING BALLSACK. <--- First impression of Kang-o-Rama (I decided to just go for it and flash as soon as I saw it included CM.)
^^^^^^^^^^^^ That text is to be read: Kang-o-Rama is amazing. The theme is sexy, I LOVE the Desire camera, and the bundled stuff (kernel, apps, etc) are quite awesome. We'll see if it solves my performance issues.

I was getting the same thing....
Task kill setcpu and reboot it again. If you keep getting the lag then stop using setCPU.

Zak Jones! said:
****ING BALLSACK
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It takes a twisted mind to interpret that as a complement.
Zak Jones! said:
...Kang-o-Rama is amazing...
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But thank you!

Delete all widgets that profile your cpu in any way. Stop killing tasks with task killers. Uninstall setcpu. Set exchange email app to "PUSH". Download "Quick System Info Pro" and check what's using up Cpu.
I had the same problem and it turned out to be 2 things: SetCPU widget and exchange email app stuck in a sync cycle.

Maybe theres an ill-performing app that you installed. Since it seems you wiped your phone a couple times including cache. Did you happen to restore apps thru Titanium backup or manually one at a time thru the market.
I always wipe my phone completely and reinstall all apps manually, time consuming, but I have never had a problem.
To further diagnose your problem, see if after installing each app, try the phone to see if there are any slowdowns afterward. Again, I know this is time consuming, but trying to find the problem rather than living with it would be better.
I'm also using 5.0.6 but with no problems or slowdowns.
You can also post a logcat or look thru it yourself if you know how and see if any errors or hangups occur. Logcats are a great way to see the commands being given to your phone and this will most likely reveal your problem.

Same problem, it's annoying.

*** Galaxy Tab Master Tweak Thread***

Hi everyone.
Id like to start a thread where we collect, post and discuss all known individual tweaks and changes that can be made to the Galaxy Tab in order to gain performance and stability.
My experience with the Galaxy Tab has been similar to my latest phone, an HTC HD2. When I got the HD2 about one year ago, I positively hated it... slow, unstable, all sorts of problems, lags, crashes... its the way most of the hardware today is released. One year later, my HD2 has become the most amazing machine I've ever owned. From pushing it 1.6GHz stable, to tweaking registry, XML files, services and making everything work well. I remember not being able to watch smooth video on the HD2 to being able to watch flawlessly 720p content and going from the extreme of detesting the phone to loving it.
It was with the HD2 I discovered Android and fell in love with it. Since I have now two HD2s I have one with an SD ROM version of Gingerbread (that I can dual boot still from Windows Mobile) and a Froyo NAND. I run Android on the HD2 much much much faster and smoother than on the Galaxy Tab, that I also hated when I bought it a few weeks and that am starting to like after getting to know it, a new ROM, apps, etc. Even at 1GHz stock the HD2 with Froyo is vastly faster, smoother, more responsive and better to use. The approach d like to do as far as tweaking the Galaxy Tab is the same as I did for the HD2 with Windows Mobile, that is, install the best/fastest ROM I can, delete and remove all stuff I don't need and then tweak what's left.
The tweaks I've done so far on the Galaxy are simple but have made a huge difference. Id like with this thread to be able to collect individual tweaks and post them all here to share with everyone.
Im using Roto JMI Pre-Rooted Firmware v2 which was the main step after getting rid of the stock Samsung Rom that is nothing but a collection of problems.
The first thing I learned with this Tab is that WHATEVER IS ON YOUR HOME SCREENS THAT MOVES, IS BAD! Forget about having ANY type of apps or widgets that do any type of refresh, including stuff running on the upper task bar if they change icons or the move around… that mean a CPU cycle and refresh each time and there goes the tab's performance and battery life. The same goes for any type of Live Wallpaper. Beautiful but deadly. Never touch them!
- So, after a new ROM, the first thing I did was changing the file system to EXT4. This is the SINGLE BEST THING you can do to radically improve the performance of the Tab. Its extremely easy to do and the step-by-step instructions are as follow:
- Make sure you have an miniSD Card in with plenty of available space (it will be used automatically to backup your system during the conversion process)
- Get p1000-mck-r3-ext4-cwm.tar (the EXT4 Conversion Kernel)
- Connect the Tab in Downloading Mode to your PC via USB, start Odin3 1.7 and load the Kernel (click on the PDA button and select the p1000-mck-r3-ext4-cwm.tar and make sure PDA stays ticked after selecting the file).
- UNTICK Re-Partition check box and make sure the only boxes ticked are:
Auto Reboot
F. Reset Time
The PDA tickbox
- Click start and wait for PASS! (it will show highlighted green or Yellow on Odin)
- Now the Tab will restart and get stuck on the Samsung loading screen. This is normal. Turn it off by holding the power button for 5 seconds.
- Turn on the Tab again on into RECOVERY mode (Press Volume UP and Power On at the same time) and the EXT4 conversion will start automatically. The process will take up to one hour depending on how much stuff you have on your Tab. It took about 10 minutes on mine because I have a fresh install of Roto JMI v2.
- Once finished, click "Reboot System Now" (by pressing the power button).
- The reboot may take a while first time so be patient!
- Done!
- After that, the first tweak I did was to get rid of all my favorite widgets that moved around… net meter, news, weather and all these beautiful things KILL the Tab. Equally I had a CPU meter on the tray refreshing every 2 seconds and it took me a while to figure out that was the reason why every 2 seconds the system would stutter, whether watching a movie or browsing the web. So, out!
- Next was to install SetCPU under the ON DEMAND setting, minimum around 750MHz and maximum 1000MHz (unfortunately only with a custom Kernel you can go higher, currently up to 1.4GHz but not full stable and with lots of issues pending so I don’t recommend it)
- My following step was to get rid of the stock Samsung Homescreen (that is a resource hog and slow as hell) and replace it with a new one. I've tried them all and am making no recommendation here but the one that works for me and is by far the best IMO is LauncherPro. This single app makes using the Tab a whole better experience.
- Next was to disable the USELESS and (resource pig) Gallery and replace it with an app called QuickPic that is blazing fast (actually instant) and simply amazing to browse and view all media on the Tab.
- Next was to greatly improve the poor native GPS reception by replacing high performance files and drivers from the Orange Rom P1000JHKA1 that seems to work on all versions of the Tab, as originally posted here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=922692
- With SystemApp Remover 4.12 I have disabled all system apps and services I don’t need (BE VERY CAREFUL AND DON'T REMOVE ROM APPS YOU WILL NEED). I have actually deleted some from ROM (Root access required of course), this includes useless stuff like STK Service starting every time, most of the Samsung stuff that I really don’t care for and just about all apps I know for sure I will never open a single time. Now, its important to understand if these apps are removed they will be removed PERMANENTLY from ROM so to get the back a hard reset will not be enough, you'll have to fully flash the ROM again. For most system apps I don’t use but am not sure, I use a different option and that is to simply disable them. In my case this includes all Bluetooth stuff (I never use it and even if it's off the Services are still running robbing performance and memory) and apps like the built-in Browser, Email and Messaging that suck and that I replaced with better apps. Its always a safer bet, at least initially to disable the apps you don’t need that uninstall them because at least you can go back and change your mind This is one area where Id like to learn more. There are many background services that I don’t know what they do and if they can be disabled or not. If someone knows what each one does and the safety of getting rid of them OR NOT, it would be great to post it here!
- Them, with Startup Auditor 2.3.2 I have disabled all unnecessary apps that start automatically every time the Tab boots so I don't have excess applications starting up that are not needed. Some I configured to be killed AGAIN if the system tries to restart them later after the boot-up
- Using Task Manager 1.0.7 and letting always run on background, I have configured all apps that I don’t need running to be auto-killed every time the phone goes to stand-by (screen off). This saves me lots of memory and CPU time on apps that I am actually not using.
- Finally, I monitor what is going on with an app called CPU Usage Timeliness Free 1.7.1.0 and use it to see EXACTLY which applications are using CPU cycles and interfering with performance. With it I have found that on my Tab I have an unsolved problem that is using over 100MB of memory and non-stop CPU usage between 15% and 45% of something called SECURITY STORAGE. I have no idea what it does. It can't be disabled and I don’t know where all the activity comes from. If someone know more about this and how to fix it, that will be great. Most of the performance issues I have on my Tab come from this Service that I don’t know how to tame. Surely, we can find a solution.
The system background services is one area where I'd like to know one by one, what each service does and if we need them or not, if it can be tweaked, disabled or deleted. Below is a complete list of the services I have safely disabled so far that have given me great performance boosts and with no negative issues on the system (IN BOLD), and OTHERS I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT (not bold). Please note these are background services that start automatically. The changes made to the disabled apps/services is that they are reverted to ON-DEMAND so they all still work perfectly.
CALENDAR
CALENDAR STORAGE
COM. SEC.ANDROID.PROVIDERS.DOWNLOADS
CSC
DOWNLOAD MANAGER
DRM CONTENT
EMAIL
GALLERY
GOOGLE PARTNER SETUP
GOOGLE SERVICES FRAMEWORK
MARKET
MEDIA STORAGE
MESSAGING
MUSIC
SAMSUNG ACCOUNT
SERVICE MODE
SNS
WIPEOUT RECEIVER
WORLD CLOCK
Furthermore I uninstalled several of the Samsung Apps I don’t use and STK Service and disabled these system Apps I don’t use (YOU SHOULD CHOOSE THE ONES YOU WANT TO ENABLE OR DISABLE AS YOU MIGHT HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS):
All Bluetooth Services
All LiveWallpapers Services
Browser
CarHomeGoogle
CarHomeLauncher
Google Feedback
Screen Capture Service
Voice Search
Originally with my Tab I was getting Quadrant below 600 on average. Now, its always over 1900. This is not a "little" improvement, this is amazing upgrading. But id like this to be a starting point to learn and share more ways with everyone we can all share on things we can do to make the Tab as good as it was intended to be for everyone
Cheers!

1.4 oc is stable, and doesn't have any issues for alot of users.
all the things you disabled are all the things i use every day lol
never the less, good post, im going to use a couple apps you mentioned.

natious said:
1.4 oc is stable, and doesn't have any issues for alot of users.
all the things you disabled are all the things i use every day lol
never the less, good post, im going to use a couple apps you mentioned.
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The first block of disabled items (in bold) from CALENDAR to WORLD CLOCK are disabled start-ups but the apps works as usual. It just frees resources not required on boot till you actually start the application when you want.
The second block from Bluetooth Services to Voice Search are all disabled as I use none of those. Items disabled can be restarted again at any time upon activating them follwing a reboot, while items deleted (like Samsung Apps and STK) are gone forever.
Ive never flashed a ModaCo Kernel and got lots of feedback regarding probelms with 1.4OC. Do you have any issues at all or none? We are using different ROMs... What Quadrant do you get currently?
Cheers

Thank you for your post.
You have solved many of my questions. Also I am User of HD2 and had the same impressions, but now with Android Nand everything was great, also started to love it.
As for GTAB'll make those adjustments you suggested, some will not disable because I use Bluetooth as an example.
Any news please keep posting.
Success!

VeEuzUKY said:
The first block of disabled items (in bold) from CALENDAR to WORLD CLOCK are disabled start-ups but the apps works as usual. It just frees resources not required on boot till you actually start the application when you want.
The second block from Bluetooth Services to Voice Search are all disabled as I use none of those. Items disabled can be restarted again at any time upon activating them follwing a reboot, while items deleted (like Samsung Apps and STK) are gone forever.
Ive never flashed a ModaCo Kernel and got lots of feedback regarding probelms with 1.4OC. Do you have any issues at all or none? We are using different ROMs... What Quadrant do you get currently?
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So far the oc is good, things load a little faster, especially nfs shift. Last run of quadrant was 2300-2400.
Ill try it again later after these optimizations and see how it goes, a member here has gotten 3000.

Having done nothing but root, my tab gets about 1000 quadrant score. I have tried setcpu using on demand and it actuall has made my tab worse. I am very hesitant to flash anything on the tab. It seems very involved and complicated. I have an HD2 as well and have been flashing since Android was on SD. That process is simple. Everything I have read about flashing things to the tab doesn't look that way. I really havent had any issues with my tab as stock other than a bit laggy at times. I would like to hear more about all of this. The oppinions I have read are either do it or don't do it. There are more problem posts after attempting to flash than there are good ones where it worked. I really could care less about a quadrant score to be honest, but I would like to have a faster smoother running tab. I really dont care about making calls on it either. Thats why I have a phone. JMO. I think part of the issue in this thread is that there are Euro and USA version which are completely different and require different roms and such.
I have been reading and lurking in the tab development thread for a while now and am not impressed with any of it yet. Maybe someone could shed some light on things and change my mind.

dubie76 said:
Having done nothing but root, my tab gets about 1000 quadrant score. I have tried setcpu using on demand and it actuall has made my tab worse. I am very hesitant to flash anything on the tab. It seems very involved and complicated. I have an HD2 as well and have been flashing since Android was on SD. That process is simple. Everything I have read about flashing things to the tab doesn't look that way. I really havent had any issues with my tab as stock other than a bit laggy at times. I would like to hear more about all of this. The oppinions I have read are either do it or don't do it. There are more problem posts after attempting to flash than there are good ones where it worked. I really could care less about a quadrant score to be honest, but I would like to have a faster smoother running tab. I really dont care about making calls on it either. Thats why I have a phone. JMO. I think part of the issue in this thread is that there are Euro and USA version which are completely different and require different roms and such.
I have been reading and lurking in the tab development thread for a while now and am not impressed with any of it yet. Maybe someone could shed some light on things and change my mind.
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flash modacos kernel and rom, convert to ext4, you'll be amazed.
to OP
In startup auditor i just checked disable all, and am not having any problems, unless you are using task manager to disable
...CALENDAR
CALENDAR STORAGE...
edit: But when i check advanced task killer, it still shows that all the disabled apps are running

dubie76 said:
Having done nothing but root, my tab gets about 1000 quadrant score. I have tried setcpu using on demand and it actuall has made my tab worse. I am very hesitant to flash anything on the tab. It seems very involved and complicated. I have an HD2 as well and have been flashing since Android was on SD. That process is simple. Everything I have read about flashing things to the tab doesn't look that way. I really havent had any issues with my tab as stock other than a bit laggy at times. I would like to hear more about all of this. The oppinions I have read are either do it or don't do it. There are more problem posts after attempting to flash than there are good ones where it worked. I really could care less about a quadrant score to be honest, but I would like to have a faster smoother running tab. I really dont care about making calls on it either. Thats why I have a phone. JMO. I think part of the issue in this thread is that there are Euro and USA version which are completely different and require different roms and such.
I have been reading and lurking in the tab development thread for a while now and am not impressed with any of it yet. Maybe someone could shed some light on things and change my mind.
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I agree. The process of flashing the Galaxy is much more dauting than anything on the HD2. I suggest you do the EXT4 file converstion. All you need is follow the step by step I wrote above. It makes a huge difference. As for everything else, I too hold off to do too much flashing. The ROM I use now is great and lighter than stock but your seems to work well so keep it. For me when a ROM is good I just use it. When I bought the HD2 I flashed it 2 times with a custom ROM till i found one that worked for me and kept it for 8 months. But backing up and restoring WinMo is much easier... on Androind its all more complicated if you dont know what you are doing. Disable some start-ups on your unit, convert the file system to EXT4 and make sure you have nothing on your home screen doing a lot of refreshing and your tab will work great

natious said:
flash modacos kernel and rom, convert to ext4, you'll be amazed.
to OP
In startup auditor i just checked disable all, and am not having any problems, unless you are using task manager to disable
...CALENDAR
CALENDAR STORAGE...
edit: But when i check advanced task killer, it still shows that all the disabled apps are running
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Is everything working 100% on that ROM? I do not want any ROMS that are having problems.

I too am not impressed with anything that us out yet...seems like any ROM process is tedious and complicated.
Glad the thread starter modified his tab to his liking, but what's the point of having it if you need to drastically change everything. I have a rooted DInc and not use any of things......didn't really see a performance gain with set CPU.
I'm going to continue waiting for something more reliable and use my tab the way it was meant to be, with all its hardware and widgets.
dubie76 said:
Having done nothing but root, my tab gets about 1000 quadrant score. I have tried setcpu using on demand and it actuall has made my tab worse. I am very hesitant to flash anything on the tab. It seems very involved and complicated. I have an HD2 as well and have been flashing since Android was on SD. That process is simple. Everything I have read about flashing things to the tab doesn't look that way. I really havent had any issues with my tab as stock other than a bit laggy at times. I would like to hear more about all of this. The oppinions I have read are either do it or don't do it. There are more problem posts after attempting to flash than there are good ones where it worked. I really could care less about a quadrant score to be honest, but I would like to have a faster smoother running tab. I really dont care about making calls on it either. Thats why I have a phone. JMO. I think part of the issue in this thread is that there are Euro and USA version which are completely different and require different roms and such.
I have been reading and lurking in the tab development thread for a while now and am not impressed with any of it yet. Maybe someone could shed some light on things and change my mind.
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dubie76 said:
Is everything working 100% on that ROM? I do not want any ROMS that are having problems.
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Sure is, I use my tab as a phone replacement so I had to have everything work, you will be waiting eons for a decent update from samsung
Sent from my Galaxy Tab of awsomeness

AlpineM3 said:
I too am not impressed with anything that us out yet...seems like any ROM process is tedious and complicated.
Glad the thread starter modified his tab to his liking, but what's the point of having it if you need to drastically change everything. I have a rooted DInc and not use any of things......didn't really see a performance gain with set CPU.
I'm going to continue waiting for something more reliable and use my tab the way it was meant to be, with all its hardware and widgets.
Sent from my ADR6300 using XDA App
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How are you not impressed if you haven't tried anything?
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Thank you for your detailed post. While I agree with you that the stock SGT rom and browser suck but where do you think the JMI, JMF, JMx ROMs coming from?
Most ROMs I've seen (except for CM) are based from some sort of Jxx
Please keep the tweak posts going. Good stuff and thanks!

natious said:
How are you not impressed if you haven't tried anything?
Sent from my Galaxy Tab of awsomeness
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Not impressed with all the problems being posted just tring to flash it, and how complex it is to do it. Guess that's what I meant. Flashing the hd2 is a very simple process. Tab is not
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My boy,
Only getting my Galaxy tomorrow but looking through threads on my favorite forum.
And guess the first one I happen into... I will follow avidly.

Hi dubie76,
Try an app called OCLF 2.0 on the Market. It is a Lag fix app for the Samsung Galaxy S which also works on the Tab.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.rc.QuickFixLagFixR2
You have to install EXT2 tools and then install one click lag fix, both are done within the app.
I had this on my Tab before flashed to a custom ROM. The tab was much faster and did not have and lag compared to stock, the Quadrant score was around 1900.
Also you can uninstall the modifications in the app and easily reverse back to stock. The only disadvantage is you will loss about 800mb of internal memory (the 2Gb space), so if you don't have much space left, you will need to uninstall some apps and reinstall them once you applied the lag fix.
P.S. thanks to OP for the SystemApp Remover & Startup Auditor suggestion.

Custom ROMs?
Hi everyone!
Consider this:
The locked GTab (in standby) on an original ROM with a connected to it BT headset wakes up after replying a call from BT and can potentially have anything pressed as being in the bag due to its size...
My point is that there is NO fix for this on XDA therefore why should I expect any significant advancements from a custom ROM if such simple things cannot be fixed on Android.
My personal view is that Android is unfortunatelly not as flexible for adjustments as WinMo (i have HD2 as well with a wonderful custom Artemis ROM).
I've tried two Roto ROMs on my GT and they havent provided any noticeable enhancements in performance to my eye (perhaps some rating went up - I dont care about tech stats). I reverted to stock ROM P1000XWJMI that works as fast for a "regular user".
I am sad to resume my experience with hacking the GT as not worth it: you get serious risk of getting the GT bricked (much more complicated than with WinMo), loose the warranty and are open for instability and sudden incompatibilities with crashes.
On the third custom ROM installation attempt I was stuck on a black screen after powering on (stuck on the bootloader!) and couldnt initiate flash for multiple times. I was shocked and very nervous. Thats when the stock ROM saved my ass and I am not willing the risk of playing around any more with non-firmware ROMs for Android GT.
Regarding the alternative screen lockers available - please do not suggest Screen Suite (the best of the worst) and things like No-Lock (to get rid of the original locker) as they all mess up once in a while (tested) with the default ROM settings and the original core locker.
PS
In my view the best thing we can and should do first of all is to COMPLAIN to SAMSUNG Tech Support and Software Developers (I did twice already).
If every one of us from theese GTab forums would do this they would definitely get faster with resolving issues.

mrbuz said:
Hi everyone!
Consider this:
The locked GTab (in standby) on an original ROM with a connected to it BT headset wakes up after replying a call from BT and can potentially have anything pressed as being in the bag due to its size...
My point is that there is NO fix for this on XDA therefore why should I expect any significant advancements from a custom ROM if such simple things cannot be fixed on Android.
My personal view is that Android is unfortunatelly not as flexible for adjustments as WinMo (i have HD2 as well with a wonderful custom Artemis ROM).
I've tried two Roto ROMs on my GT and they havent provided any noticeable enhancements in performance to my eye (perhaps some rating went up - I dont care about tech stats). I reverted to stock ROM P1000XWJMI that works as fast for a "regular user".
I am sad to resume my experience with hacking the GT as not worth it: you get serious risk of getting the GT bricked (much more complicated than with WinMo), loose the warranty and are open for instability and sudden incompatibilities with crashes.
On the third custom ROM installation attempt I was stuck on a black screen after powering on (stuck on the bootloader!) and couldnt initiate flash for multiple times. I was shocked and very nervous. Thats when the stock ROM saved my ass and I am not willing the risk of playing around any more with non-firmware ROMs for Android GT.
Regarding the alternative screen lockers available - please do not suggest Screen Suite (the best of the worst) and things like No-Lock (to get rid of the original locker) as they all mess up once in a while (tested) with the default ROM settings and the original core locker.
PS
In my view the best thing we can and should do first of all is to COMPLAIN to SAMSUNG Tech Support and Software Developers (I did twice already).
If every one of us from theese GTab forums would do this they would definitely get faster with resolving issues.
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So what if the screen goes on in your bag, unless you have a fresh finger floating around in there nothing can press any buttons on the capcitive screen, also my tab I just hit the lock button in a bt call, screen turns off phone stays on
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Im so confused. I have my tab rooted and oclf 2.0. Im scoring 2200 in quadrant and.my dolphin hd browser is SO laggy. Even with flash disabled. Any ideas?

koxville said:
Im so confused. I have my tab rooted and oclf 2.0. Im scoring 2200 in quadrant and.my dolphin hd browser is SO laggy. Even with flash disabled. Any ideas?
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because quadrant doesn't mean **** in the real world, i score 2300 but thats with the 1.4 oc.
Give miren a try, tbh its the best

[Q] Closing Programs

Has anybody figured out a way to use the back button to exit out of programs instead of hiding them so that you don't have to go to "manage applications" in order to force close them and save battery life?...i know, run.on.

konsts said:
Has anybody figured out a way to use the back button to exit out of programs instead of hiding them so that you don't have to go to "manage applications" in order to force close them and save battery life?...i know, run.on.
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From what I understand the MT4G is supposed to do a job on it's own of closing most applications most of the time, better then any other android had (at time of release anyway). I suppose if you think it's that big of an issue you could download a task killer, but I've heard over and over again to not use on on the mt4g because you just don't need it. That's just what I heard though.
Could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time.

Is there a setting for that then? because nothing closes on my phone

yeah i agree on NOT using those task killers. i have seen many posts from devs saying they cause more problems then there worth. interfere with apps causing force closes and some other thing that i cant remember off the top of my head.

Google up "Why you shouldn't be using task killers with Android", read, educate yourself, and stop doing unnecessary things with your phone. Understand how things work before you attempt "making them work better", and screw them up in the process.

Ok sounds good, but why then when you get rid of the bloatware like "amazon mp3" by disabilig them, do you get improved battery life? What am I missing?

You don't. Battery life won't be bothered by having or not having Amazon MP3. The only thing you get is more memory (which isn't used anyway) and more space on the /system (which isn't used anyway). Additional thing you get that IS used - is less cluttered app drawer.

konsts said:
Ok sounds good, but why then when you get rid of the bloatware like "amazon mp3" by disabilig them, do you get improved battery life? What am I missing?
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Task Killers do more harm then they do good. any developer, any coder, any one with any Android knowledge will tell you "you do not need it, and they do more harm then good". In fact Google themselves has said that it's not worth it. and the dev team @ Cyanogen will not accept a event log for trouble shooting if you have used a task killer.
But the reason we delete bloat ware is to gain that memory for other applications and data. no all apps can be stored to the SD card and they do leave a foot print on the phone. So we delete them to gain the space back.
Android phones are Lunix based computers which can multitask lightyears better than any current windows based computer system, phone or server. They were designed with this very principle in mind. In fact if you have ever used Ubuntu 10.10 they have a 4 "work spaces" where you can do different stuff simultaneously. similar to the "home screens" on android.
as far as them "running" in the background they are not absorbing any data/battery/resources from your phone. They are setting in a "frozen" state until you open them. In fact, if you didn't know this, if you press and hold the home button you can access recently open apps. It keeps them in the "frozen" state so if you switch back to them they'll open where you left them.

Thanks for all the comments. But I don't need convincing on the task killers; I understand they're worthless. My intent was to find out how to make my phone perform better (battery life-wise). And although I think I have a better understanding on how android handles apps it also just confused me.
I used to get 8-10 hrs max on my phone and basically have to charge it all the time. Since I temp rooted (permroot isn't working for me) using VISIONary and disabled a bunch of apps using Terminal Emulator, I'm sitting on 23.5 hrs off the charger right now with 45% battery left!!! And all I did was disable apps. So I'm mad confused how I'm getting so much battery life when the only thing that's changed in my phone according to you wouldn't change anything.

konsts said:
Thanks for all the comments. But I don't need convincing on the task killers; I understand they're worthless. My intent was to find out how to make my phone perform better (battery life-wise). And although I think I have a better understanding on how android handles apps it also just confused me.
I used to get 8-10 hrs max on my phone and basically have to charge it all the time. Since I temp rooted (permroot isn't working for me) using VISIONary and disabled a bunch of apps using Terminal Emulator, I'm sitting on 23.5 hrs off the charger right now with 45% battery left!!! And all I did was disable apps. So I'm mad confused how I'm getting so much battery life when the only thing that's changed in my phone according to you wouldn't change anything.
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battery life has alot to do with your social networks, and syncing. If i turn off everything, and turn the screen brightness to about 25%, i drop about 2% per 5 hours. So it really depends on what you disabled, and if they were absorbing any resources on your phone.

neidlinger said:
Task Killers do more harm then they do good. any developer, any coder, any one with any Android knowledge will tell you "you do not need it, and they do more harm then good". In fact Google themselves has said that it's not worth it. and the dev team @ Cyanogen will not accept a event log for trouble shooting if you have used a task killer.
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That is correct. However, there is one situation in which I do end apps, and that is in the case of resource-intensive, 3D games. The MT4G has so much RAM, that even games like NFS Shift, X-Plane, and Jet Car Stunts never close. They stay running in the background forever, which is unnecessary. So I'll close those, but no other apps.

TeeJay3800 said:
That is correct. However, there is one situation in which I do end apps, and that is in the case of resource-intensive, 3D games. The MT4G has so much RAM, that even games like NFS Shift, X-Plane, and Jet Car Stunts never close. They stay running in the background forever, which is unnecessary. So I'll close those, but no other apps.
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I do the same but i'll got to settings > apps > running > and sever them.
BTW Backbacker is a good 3D game.

neidlinger said:
BTW Backbacker is a good 3D game.
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I'm not finding that one. The closest I can find is this one, but that's a GPS resource, not a game.

TeeJay3800 said:
I'm not finding that one. The closest I can find is this one, but that's a GPS resource, not a game.
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look for backbreaker football. it was a the Amazon freebie yesterday.

konsts said:
Has anybody figured out a way to use the back button to exit out of programs instead of hiding them so that you don't have to go to "manage applications" in order to force close them and save battery life?...i know, run.on.
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Settings/applications/development/stop app via long press.
Make sure you check the box. That's how you stop the app completely.
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No such thing on stock ROMs. CM feature.

didnt know he had a stock rom till i read his sig. xda app doesnt show that sig. saw it now that im a pc. my bad.