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e-mails with Rohan this morning

This is Andy from notioninkhacks.com and I got two emails from Rohan this morning. During my Q&A sessions with him earlier on it sounded like he had no problems giving us the tools to recover the ADAM after CES, but this morning he told me that the bootloader comes from NVIDIA and sharing it would be a breach of their agreement. He did however mention that he was going to look into it further for us. Guess that leaves us to all to hack it. He also gave me a link to the version of nVFLASH that they are using. I have placed the download on my site but to prevent people from leaving this place (Im not a douche) I have included the link:
http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/nVFlash-Download-16133.html
Andy

Great news but not in the right Forum i think so
Maybe more in : Adam Android Development

Yeah, my bad.... guess we will have to wait for a mod to move the topic.

If this is the case, the Adam should be as easy to root as the G-tab is. Viewsonic did little, if anything at all, to circumvent custom recovery or rooting their device. Take a look in the G-tab section here just to get a sense of how easy it is to replace the nvflash bootloader.
Regards,
Jason
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What would be good, is if Notion Ink could supply some basic Dual Boot support to an Ubuntu version for example.
ie. Official support for Dual Boot to Ubuntu for those that wish to apply it, but no need to provide official support for Ubuntu etc. itself.
I guess what I'm asking for is for Notion Ink to get us past the Boot Rom stage for Warranty etc. and then make it simple for people to to pick things up after that and do what they please (without support).
So, On Boot you always get Bootable options (with a default). Robust always able to get to Eden etc. And Boots to alternate, Good Luck option(s).
That would make this device the no. one for all hackers, without breaking the warranty.
No idea if what I'm asking is realistic.
Zuber

Awesome, good work andy.
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[Q] Ugh no NVFlash, is there?

Has anyone been successful in booting into APX/NVFlash mode on this? I have one ordered and already have a little buyers remorse.. blobs and all that junk, its rather pathetic. No OC kernel either, eh? Coming from a 1.7ghz gtab, this might be unusable! Well, we'll see. Are there any custom branches of the asus source? Maybe we can get a few things working like gpu/cpu oc to t25 standards.

Currently nvflash is locked. Overclocked kernals are coming i've heard. Alot of the problems with really custom stuff is the lack of source code.

Woops lost my intended post.. was something to the tune of how nvflash has saved many gtabs from being bricked.. seriously, its a great tool. I'm sure its a Google thing, maybe one of their Honeycomb decrees. Probably thinking of how nvflash and Windows 8 would come into play..
Google is really getting on my nerves... they're starting to get the "we know better than you, so here" attitude that Apple has. Catch the diss on Microsoft, regarding their 'torture' of users by letting them manage things? Ugh. Google can't play the bash ms card, its ****ing old. Can't believe I bought another tegra tab.. who wants?

Blades said:
Woops lost my intended post.. was something to the tune of how nvflash has saved many gtabs from being bricked.. seriously, its a great tool. I'm sure its a Google thing, maybe one of their Honeycomb decrees. Probably thinking of how nvflash and Windows 8 would come into play..
Google is really getting on my nerves... they're starting to get the "we know better than you, so here" attitude that Apple has. Catch the diss on Microsoft, regarding their 'torture' of users by letting them manage things? Ugh. Google can't play the bash ms card, its ****ing old. Can't believe I bought another tegra tab.. who wants?
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I think its the company that makes the device that is blocking nvflash not google.

Blades said:
Woops lost my intended post.. was something to the tune of how nvflash has saved many gtabs from being bricked.. seriously, its a great tool. I'm sure its a Google thing, maybe one of their Honeycomb decrees. Probably thinking of how nvflash and Windows 8 would come into play..
Google is really getting on my nerves... they're starting to get the "we know better than you, so here" attitude that Apple has. Catch the diss on Microsoft, regarding their 'torture' of users by letting them manage things? Ugh. Google can't play the bash ms card, its ****ing old. Can't believe I bought another tegra tab.. who wants?
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Is your rant finished? Maybe you should have read up a little before purchasing this wonderful tablet. So you dont want a tegra tab huh? Whats left to choose from? Ipad? GL

husker91 said:
Is your rant finished? Maybe you should have read up a little before purchasing this wonderful tablet. So you dont want a tegra tab huh? Whats left to choose from? Ipad? GL
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I said I can't believe I bought another Tehran tab. Key word is another. Nvidia is starting to pull their antics with gb video decoding drivers for the harmony board. By antics, I mean what they've (and ATI) been doing with their linux video drivers - not supporting older hardware and not releasing source so consumers can create their own drivers for 'older' hardware - ie harmony based devices.
I might only have a use for an ipad as a dog toy/frisbee - I have a pitbull and a Dogo Argentino, itd be funny.
I was done with my rant.. but I suppose you prolonged it.
BTW: I did read up. I found no info on the issue of NVFlash. Have a Xoom, Gtab, and now one of these wonderful tablets. So far, the gtab is the most fun. Can the Asus get 4700 in quadrant? Do you see it ever being that fast? You're right about lack of alternatives, I suppose there is the Hardkernel odroids for someone like me, new device has a modular cpu board.
I'll be sure to at least try to get nvflash working. Does anyone have a bootloader they could post up? Usually viewing in a hex editor can give you a clue as to what the boot scenarios could be.

There's a thread over in development where several people tried to get nvflash going. Their opinions in the end were nvflash is locked and you need some sort of signed key to use it. Any nvflash commands tried, failed.
It may be possible that in the future asus may provide the key, but from their response to the people who bricked via the ota update (just having them rma the device), it doesn't seem like it.

You probably need a dev bootloader. This is based on the Ventana board, right? Another reason could be that the nvflash tool doesn't support ext* fs, but I doubt that. If Asus releases a tegra2 linux netbook, based on the same Ventana board, things could get better. Thanks for the heads up. I'll check out the development section

I know quadrant is pretty cool benchmarking tool but you might want to give this a try too. Grab a friend, load the same movie up on the Gtab and the Transformer, place both the devices three feet in front of you flat on a table and ask your friend which one is better.
I had to return my GTab when my girlfriend commented that having a tablet that can't actually be seen unless held at the right angle directly in front of you is rather useless.
The Transformer is a brand new tablet with an active, if somewhat still empty handed, community behind it. Out of the box though, using the default software, it's an entirely useable system that does exactly what I want it too (in my case quickly display photos, web browsing, youtubing and web surfing). I suspect three months from now it'll have some solid development work behind it since all of the alternatives have managed to overlook the importance of price point as well as innovation in their scheduled releases.

i just downloaded nvflash and just got my root was easy as pie rooted in literally in five minutes would have been 2 minutes but my computer is a bit slow let me know if you would like some links i got it to work

Android 3.1 Port

Has anyone tried porting the Android 3.1 system.img from the SDK to the A500 yet?

I want to say it was sp3dev that tried flashing the xoom 3.1 images and ended up bricking his tablet, so note sure if anyone has tried it again.

I'm thinking of having a gom but I only just got this tablet today. Is there a recovery ROM image that I can use to reflash the tablet in case of brickage?

dr1337 said:
I'm thinking of having a gom but I only just got this tablet today. Is there a recovery ROM image that I can use to reflash the tablet in case of brickage?
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No recovery yet as the bootloader is still locked.
Acer will issue an official update in the next couple of weeks, so why risk it? There's no rush.

Bragging rights......jk
I actually would like a clean system.img without the Acer bloatware too.

You can use this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=14076075&postcount=2
to fully restore to stock US.

I recommend that 'how to' for recovering the tablet be placed in the HOW TO thread, and that thread be stickied.

dhruvmp said:
I want to say it was sp3dev that tried flashing the xoom 3.1 images and ended up bricking his tablet, so note sure if anyone has tried it again.
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:facepalm:
Me? No, it was not me. Meh, i don't care for ****roid and the only thing i want to flash is a proper distro like ubuntu or fedora.

Would be interesting to see what the logcat dump produced to try and work out the incompatibilities.

FloatingFatMan said:
No recovery yet as the bootloader is still locked.
Acer will issue an official update in the next couple of weeks, so why risk it? There's no rush.
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+1 on that...if acer sticks to a June time frame of getting 3.1 to us then it would be a better deal...thats just around the corner and there will be less bugs getting an update (at least i hope so) from the maufacturer then trying to port it from a different device. compared to the g-tab that i had...this thing runs pretty dam good with stock rooted Rom and bloatwate removed...once we get official 3.1 update with mouse and additional peripheral support...then thats gonna make that much sweeter.
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One thing to think before
Same for me once I removed those crap apps from Acer.I guess Acer will never learn about putting their own apps to blingbling the whole tablet. I don't need slow beautiful tablet I need an overboosted one They build slow PCs, they build slow laptops, slow tablets and I guess slow mobiles phones too and once you make a clean instal on it, oooohhhhh wonder its works like a rocket ------->>>>>>>>>
I guess it s marketing ... selling slow things so that people buy a new one earlier.
And then the other trouble that I m expecting to come......
I m not sure about it but in some threads they telling that if some apps are missing on
our tablet update won't work.
Ok, we know how to revert back to original Acer tablet and do the update to remove again those crap apps again wth....????
Atleast it s not nessecary to hack Acer laptop and PC to instal windows again.
What we need is bootloader from Acer or from a Dev if Acer won't, updates are secondary.
I don t trust them since they could make updates to prevent installing custom roms like
Apple with their never ending we need to block jailbreaking attempts
So be careful about those updates........

3.1 original
I would wait for 3.1, the problems of getting it from another tab would not be worth it.
It should be here hopefully this week sometime!!!

It has been reported that if your device was EVER rooted you wont have access to Google movies on market...even after factory reset/flashing stock rom...fyi this was on xoom. Not sure how much truth there is to this, but I'm not chancing it.

gmpdmd said:
It has been reported that if your device was EVER rooted you wont have access to Google movies on market...even after factory reset/flashing stock rom...fyi this was on xoom. Not sure how much truth there is to this, but I'm not chancing it.
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Being fearful is the safer option... but you really should think this through clearly. How would they know if your tablet has EVER been rooted? Do they store the information on their servers? If so, what about when someone buys your tablet second hand? Are they denied from the movie market forever? Is the tablet forever "poisoned"?
The above scenario is the only way they could know as all traces of being rooted can easily be removed from the tablet itself... that is the nature of having root after all; total control.
Again, if you are fearful or uncertain, do not do anything to your tablet. Please do not spread your fear amongst others though because someone will soon be quoting you and claiming that "they" can tell if your tablet has ever been rooted. As you have already said, " It has been reported that...". Reported by whom? There is no answer. Did they verify the mechanism that testifies that the tablet has EVER been rooted? There is no answer.
It is fine to ask a question but as soon as you say, "it has been reported", then you are spreading fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Bad newbie. No cookie for you.

strikethree said:
Being fearful is the safer option... but you really should think this through clearly. How would they know if your tablet has EVER been rooted? Do they store the information on their servers? If so, what about when someone buys your tablet second hand? Are they denied from the movie market forever? Is the tablet forever "poisoned"?
The above scenario is the only way they could know as all traces of being rooted can easily be removed from the tablet itself... that is the nature of having root after all; total control.
Again, if you are fearful or uncertain, do not do anything to your tablet. Please do not spread your fear amongst others though because someone will soon be quoting you and claiming that "they" can tell if your tablet has ever been rooted. As you have already said, " It has been reported that...". Reported by whom? There is no answer. Did they verify the mechanism that testifies that the tablet has EVER been rooted? There is no answer.
It is fine to ask a question but as soon as you say, "it has been reported", then you are spreading fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Bad newbie. No cookie for you.
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Post is on Droid Life...what I consider a reputable source. I cant post links yet. Go to site and search for "xoom google movies" Its second post down. I'm no noob...rooted many phones and tabs...just new too posting here. Sorry I did not provide link initially

Since Google Movies is about the most expensive way of watching video currently available, I'm not at all concerned over their decision to block rooted devices.

I've wondered this before about cell phones and tablets. I figured it would be more of a carrier thing, wanting to keep everyone in check on device warranties. The capability is certainly there on a carrier based device to simply track the sw version (mods) and root status. I figured it would come up at some point when there was a compelling enough reason for someone to make decisions based on that info. Hopefully it will be limited to content providers, such as in this case. I don't know that there is a need for fear and panic, just more for us all to think about before rooting. I thought about this before rooting my first phone, but also decided that rooting was a better way to avoid bloatware, etc. Until they cut my service for rooting, I'll always seek a better experience on my phone or tablet. Apparently there has been no compelling business reason for them to do that as of yet. Movie licensing is understandable, I'm 100% behind copyright protections. Just one more consideration before rooting a tablet.
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*Dead* But read the OP and click the links for SupportMyMoto.com!

Yea, don't post here about anything, don't support here. Read this and GO TO THE RIGHT THREAD:
Hi All,
I wanted to bring something to your attention. In case you aren't aware, Lokifish Marz (Photon/Atrix developer) has started a campaign to make some noise about Motorola's last minute cancellation of ICS. The goal would be to have Motorola leak anything they have developed to our community. Nothing is out of the question, no not yet, we can still try. For anything kernels, drivers, unlocks, SBK, source code, anything would be precious to us.
Lokifish is hoping to get support from as many devs as well as the average members as possible. Your open support would be invaluable to the cause. The devs that are already onboard are already making plans for your phones! Don't think that development is all we need. Your support by sending out PM's, filing Better Business Bureau Complaints, FTC Complaints, emailing The Consumerist and signing the petitions will be a great help!. The impossibles are endless with our "online media"...
This has worked in the recent past (HTC) and we can make work again! Remember your not doing this for us, not for yourself either, but for the community as a whole!
Many developers & members are already on board. Hopefully you will be too!
Official xda thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1919735
Official site:
http://supportmymoto.com/
There is also a campaign beginning on this forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1920472
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Thanks upndwn4par! Regards guys!

Alaq said:
(If Nvidia already released the source code then tell me so I can get this removed!)
Hey Guys,
So this "movement" has already started in other forums for phones with Tegra 2. Some would be: LG G2x, Optimus 2x, Samsung Galaxy R, etc... So we need help with this, if you wan't to be able to un-hardbrick your Tegra 2 phone or get ICS on it faster help the "cause" by doing something listed below!
What you'r going to ask for are the Source Code & SBK. The Source Code can be used to create ROM's and port ICS to the Tegra 2. The SBK can be used for people who have Factory Cables to un-hardbrick their Atrix.
Be creative when it comes to making the message! Make it professional as well. Sending something like "Hey please release the source code for the tegra2" won't work. You need to give them reason!
You can help in multiple ways. It doesn't matter how you help, as long as you did that becomes a +1 support for this thread!
1. Call them at (408) 486-2000 and ask for developer relations.
2. Email them at . Make sure your info is accurate so that they'll accept it.
3. Advertise this thread at places like Engadget or some other well known information website.
4. Get creative do something that we haven't listed up here, anything counts... (As long as it's good)
Support Count:
1. cervantesjc
2. WiredPirate
3. edgeicator
4. picaron1
5. OSNPA
6. Semseddin
7. vinay427
8. cption
9. Jibraldor
10. J-Roc
11. hormosapiens
12. Alaq
13. JdgM3NT4L
14. mac208x
Post in this thread after doing something to be added to this list. This thread will be updated every 1-2 days... Thanks guys, have a great day!
[Notice: The other thread was closed because the OP doesn't spend much time here. The OP left the topic for me to continue. The support list is continued from the old thread...]
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Please remove my name. I merely chimed in that they aren't required to so. Plus they have an incentive not to release it -you buy their brand new Tegra 3 instead of staying on "old" hardware. Also, I believe you mean SDK, not SBK, which is already released.

edgeicator said:
Please remove my name. I merely chimed in that they aren't required to so. Plus they have an incentive not to release it -you buy their brand new Tegra 3 instead of staying on "old" hardware. Also, I believe you mean SDK, not SBK, which is already released.
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Done, and no I mean SBK http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1081743, If you read under "What are these things" you will see what I mean...

I did what I said I will. I emailed them and let gizmodo and engadget know about it also. Twitter, facebook and thumblr are my next targets.
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I emailed them and im going to tip Engadget about it as well. Hopefully they agree so we can get ourselves some ice cream sandwiches asap!

Your smoking some good rock if you think they will ever release it..
Oh Ms. Fields... I want your recipe to your tasty chocolate chip cookies even though you make 50 other flavors.
I don't know, that's just the way I see it. They are proprietary drivers.. why
release something that would hinder your business?

Don't AMD for linux in the PC arena???

There is Ice Cream Sandwich for Tegra:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tAwHCDq-94&hd=1

justathome said:
Don't AMD for linux in the PC arena???
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That doesn't even relate to thi- Why do I even bother....
legion1911 said:
There is Ice Cream Sandwich for Tegra:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tAwHCDq-94&hd=1
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That's a Tegra 3 unit running an official ICS ROM from Asus...

My acer iconia has ics with full hw aceleration. Same chip as the atrix. Its possible and its going to happen

I hard-bricked my atrix too
Is there any way to recover our Atrix using the NvFlash utility for any other device based on tegra2(like LG 2X)?

Atrix 4g Hard bricked.
plepply said:
I hard-bricked my atrix too
Is there any way to recover our Atrix using the NvFlash utility for any other device based on tegra2(like LG 2X)?
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Hi bro,
my atrix 4g is also hard bricked
did you found any solution.
Reply please

my atrix is hard bricked, is it possible revive it by using factory cable ? ( if there is sbk)

done

gh123man said:
My acer iconia has ics with full hw aceleration. Same chip as the atrix. Its possible and its going to happen
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But A500 has Tegra T20 , at least if i'm looking GSM Arena.
Little confusing because wikipedia means AP20H !?
What's correct?

Vanilla2001 said:
But A500 has Tegra T20 , at least if i'm looking GSM Arena.
Little confusing because wikipedia means AP20H !?
What's correct?
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T20 is correct:
techrepublic .com/photos/cracking-open-the-acer-iconia-tab-a500/6279615?seq=53&tag=thumbnail-view-selector;get-photo-roto (remove space after techrepublic)

NVFlash
Attrix hard bricked. Get "Failed to boot 0x1000 Entering NvFlash Recovery mode Battery is too low to flash". Found and Nvidia APX Driver.
Installed it. Also made a factory cable. When I remove battery, plug in USB cable to phone SVF and Failed to boot show up but not the Entering NvFlash. In device manager NVIDIA USB Boot-recovery driver for Mobile devices show up with no errors. Tried to see if device shows up in RSD and it does not. Willing to try almost any suggestions ---

cervantes1203 said:
Attrix hard bricked. Get "Failed to boot 0x1000 Entering NvFlash Recovery mode Battery is too low to flash". Found and Nvidia APX Driver.
Installed it. Also made a factory cable. When I remove battery, plug in USB cable to phone SVF and Failed to boot show up but not the Entering NvFlash. In device manager NVIDIA USB Boot-recovery driver for Mobile devices show up with no errors. Tried to see if device shows up in RSD and it does not. Willing to try almost any suggestions ---
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There are several thread for this kind of questions (Useless questions, since there's a FULL thread about this that will answer all your questions). Go away !

For everyone who is asking about their hardbricked Atrixs. Stahpnowpls. ATM there is no solution. We can only hope and do our best to convince Moto & Nvidia to release everything. So to whom whoever is reading this, please to go help SupportMyMoto! If it is sucessful we can fix all your atrixs and whatnot!
SupportMyMoto Official XDA Thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1919735
SupportMyMoto Official Website:
http://supportmymoto.com/
Thanks!
Sidenote: To anyone who has given up on their atrix, whether it's hardbricked, dead digitizer, cracked this, bad that, It can help, please PM me!

I test roms

If you send me kfhd Roms I will test.there's only one,I know of that horrible cm10 Rom
I was wrong about the cm10 ROM ts beast.just gotta wait for cm10.1
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Kindle Fire ROM Test
KindleFireGuy said:
If you send me kfhd I will test.there's only one,I know of that horrible cm10 Rom
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KindleFireGuy,
Thank you for the offer, we may take you up on this when we launch Ubuntu for the Kindle Fire HD and 2.

WOW thanks I will gladly test thanks
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Custom ROM for The Kindle Fire HD 7" and 2 - Ubuntu Linux
KindleFireGuy said:
WOW thanks I will gladly test thanks
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KindleFireGuy,
We are a few weeks or two away, plenty of bugs to iron out before we are even Beta Ready.

I assume you mean a release for the kfhd 8.9?
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KindleFireGuy,
We are a few weeks or two away, plenty of bugs to iron out before we are even Beta Ready. I am very shocked that developers released the CM10 ROM, I feel it is way too Green to have anyone waste there time on the installation. We would never release anything to the public that can not even display the boot screen well, it gives CM10 a bad name - just my opinion.
We will let you know when we are ready - we are not trying to be the first, we are trying to have the best ROM available. If it is not as stable or MORE stable than the Kindle original ROM we will not release it to the public.
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I'm a bit surprised by your opinion honestly. The cm10 for the KFTT only has two bugs. One is pretty minor (the boot screen. Yes, I would prefer it to be correct but... more to follow). The second bug is lack of HD.. that one I see as a major bug. But for me my choices are- 1. Run the Amazon Rom and HOPE the notifications work in a timely manner BUT I can run Netflix. Or 2- run a Rom that allows me to get notifications on time (for me MUCH more important. I'm very surprised that the stock Amazon OS handles notifications so poorly since even my Windows 8 box does that right lol
Now, the cm10 roms for the other devices are barely functional so I would understand, but what Hashcode has accomplished here is pretty darn good. ESPECIALLY having TWRP..
I DO really look forward to trying the ubuntu Rom though..
Edit: as for the initial post here.. dude is asking about kfhd roms but is posting from his kf2? I THINK the cm10 build he is talking about is for the kfhd 7" NOT the kf2 rom
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Messed up on it.don't send me a hd I already have one I messed up on typing
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The Kindle Fire 2
I have a kindle fire 2 and am surprised that people cannot hack the bootloader on it yet. I say this because I have had all the Apple Ipad and Iphone and everyone has been able to hack them with no problem, although it took them awhile!
So I hope that someone is able to get the bootloader unlocked for the Kindle Fire 2, HD to enable the installation of custom roms. Personally I just want to take an image of the KF2 and put it on my KF1 (both uk versions!).

Canonical Ubuntu Linux for Android
mindmajick said:
I'm a bit surprised by your opinion honestly. The cm10 for the KFTT only has two bugs. One is pretty minor (the boot screen. Yes, I would prefer it to be correct but... more to follow). The second bug is lack of HD.. that one I see as a major bug. But for me my choices are- 1. Run the Amazon Rom and HOPE the notifications work in a timely manner BUT I can run Netflix. Or 2- run a Rom that allows me to get notifications on time (for me MUCH more important. I'm very surprised that the stock Amazon OS handles notifications so poorly since even my Windows 8 box does that right lol
Now, the cm10 roms for the other devices are barely functional so I would understand, but what Hashcode has accomplished here is pretty darn good. ESPECIALLY having TWRP..
I DO really look forward to trying the ubuntu Rom though..
Edit: as for the initial post here.. dude is asking about kfhd roms but is posting from his kf2? I THINK the cm10 build he is talking about is for the kfhd 7" NOT the kf2 rom
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mindmajick,
I think we are on two totally different pages. I am very well aware of Hashcodes work on the Kindle Fire 2 which is down right impressive. I have tested there work on the Kindle Fire 2 for the last week (almost 10 days now) and all we found was two minor issues and one major issue.
What I am talking about and I will be clear this time (sorry I was not clear in the post) is the Kindle Fire HD 7", the one that was released about 7 months ago and has software revisions of 7.2.x - we did test 1 version as well as compiling our own AOSP, CM10 and AOKP. The latter was a complete failure but it was not due to the Kernel's fault, it was due to the know issues around compiling Kernels around the Kindle Fire HD 7" plus there are limited resources available on the Kindle HD 7" and Custom ROM's.
Anyways, the Kindle Fire HD 7" and 8.9" are exciting platforms to builds around, we have been on the phone and emailing TI almost daily (working to get the proper drivers built into the Kernel's). Thank God we have the support of Ubuntu, otherwise this path would be even more difficult.
The idea around Ubuntu is very different than CM10 and the rest. The idea with Ubuntu is to completely replace the desktop computer, so by day, your phone go with you and at night you dock the phone. The phone via the dock, is connected to an external Printer, Monitor, Keyboard and Mouse. The Ubuntu Phone becomes your home PC. No need for separate ISP, no need for another PC, no need to sync you work. The big question, what about the Google Play Store Apps, no problem. Ubuntu supports Android Apps natively as well as supports the entire array of Ubuntu apps already available (most are free). Release timeline? Hard to say, if it was our choise we would release a copy for the Kindle today but we are under tight constrains with Canonical. They tell us when it is OK to release the software.
More to come........................

prokennexusa said:
mindmajick,
I think we are on two totally different pages. I am very well aware of Hashcodes work on the Kindle Fire 2 which is down right impressive. I have tested there work on the Kindle Fire 2 for the last week (almost 10 days now) and all we found was two minor issues and one major issue.
What I am talking about and I will be clear this time (sorry I was not clear in the post) is the Kindle Fire HD 7", the one that was released about 7 months ago and has software revisions of 7.2.x - we did test 1 version as well as compiling our own AOSP, CM10 and AOKP. The latter was a complete failure but it was not due to the Kernel's fault, it was due to the know issues around compiling Kernels around the Kindle Fire HD 7" plus there are limited resources available on the Kindle HD 7" and Custom ROM's.
Anyways, the Kindle Fire HD 7" and 8.9" are exciting platforms to builds around, we have been on the phone and emailing TI almost daily (working to get the proper drivers built into the Kernel's). Thank God we have the support of Ubuntu, otherwise this path would be even more difficult.
The idea around Ubuntu is very different than CM10 and the rest. The idea with Ubuntu is to completely replace the desktop computer, so by day, your phone go with you and at night you dock the phone. The phone via the dock, is connected to an external Printer, Monitor, Keyboard and Mouse. The Ubuntu Phone becomes your home PC. No need for separate ISP, no need for another PC, no need to sync you work. The big question, what about the Google Play Store Apps, no problem. Ubuntu supports Android Apps natively as well as supports the entire array of Ubuntu apps already available (most are free). Release timeline? Hard to say, if it was our choise we would release a copy for the Kindle today but we are under tight constrains with Canonical. They tell us when it is OK to release the software.
More to come........................
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Yup. I guess I misunderstood.
I hope to see Ubuntu on the kf2 as well
Sent from my Amazon Kindle Fire2 using Tapatalk 2

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mindmajick said:
Yup. I guess I misunderstood.
I hope to see Ubuntu on the kf2 as well
Sent from my Amazon Kindle Fire2 using Tapatalk 2
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mindmajick,
No worries mindmajick, this happens, I catch myself doing it from time to time. Yes, we will have Ubuntu for all Kindles. Again, timeline is a bit unknown even though we could post a viable ROM for the Kindle Fire 2. we will post updates as progress is made on this topic. Have a great week!

prokennexusa said:
mindmajick,
No worries mindmajick, this happens, I catch myself doing it from time to time. Yes, we will have Ubuntu for all Kindles. Again, timeline is a bit unknown even though we could post a viable ROM for the Kindle Fire 2. we will post updates as progress is made on this topic. Have a great week!
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why dont post an alpha ubuntu version?

persano said:
why dont post an alpha ubuntu version?
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persano,
The Ubuntu ROM for Android is Stable on our Kindle, we could launch a production copy today, the problem is the contract that we sign with Ubuntu Canonical. This contract does not allow us to release any copies of Ubuntu for Android until Canonical is ready to launch Ubuntu for Android.
So we are just staying busy writing new Apps for Ubuntu rather than focus our efforts on rushing the Production version. Do not get me wrong, we spend plenty of time each week on the ROM, streamlining it and making it faster.
It would not be a good idea to release the ROM today anyway since this ROM is intended to replace the desktop computer. Having said this, we are missing a Key part - a dock for the Kindle to add an external Monitor, Keyboard, Mouse, and Printer. When the manufactures begin to release docks, we will release the ROM. Do not worry, if Amazon does not release a dock, we will still release the ROM, it may be a few months or two away, that is all.

prokennexusa said:
persano,
The Ubuntu ROM for Android is Stable on our Kindle, we could launch a production copy today, the problem is the contract that we sign with Ubuntu Canonical. This contract does not allow us to release any copies of Ubuntu for Android until Canonical is ready to launch Ubuntu for Android.
So we are just staying busy writing new Apps for Ubuntu rather than focus our efforts on rushing the Production version. Do not get me wrong, we spend plenty of time each week on the ROM, streamlining it and making it faster.
It would not be a good idea to release the ROM today anyway since this ROM is intended to replace the desktop computer. Having said this, we are missing a Key part - a dock for the Kindle to add an external Monitor, Keyboard, Mouse, and Printer. When the manufactures begin to release docks, we will release the ROM. Do not worry, if Amazon does not release a dock, we will still release the ROM, it may be a few months or two away, that is all.
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i understand

Ubuntu for Android on Kindle Fire HD
persano said:
i understand
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persano,
Once they allow us to release copies to employees I will get you a copy to test.

prokennexusa said:
persano,
Once they allow us to release copies to employees I will get you a copy to test.
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Really look forward to seeing this, Keep me in mind if you decide to leak a few copies for testing I would be more then happy to help out. Always loved Ubuntu on the desktop/

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KindleFireGuy,
We are a few weeks or two away, plenty of bugs to iron out before we are even Beta Ready. I am very shocked that developers released the CM10 ROM, I feel it is way too Green to have anyone waste there time on the installation. We would never release anything to the public that can not even display the boot screen well, it gives CM10 a bad name - just my opinion.
We will let you know when we are ready - we are not trying to be the first, we are trying to have the best ROM available. If it is not as stable or MORE stable than the Kindle original ROM we will not release it to the public.
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This is kind of a poor attempt at a troll don't you think?
1. No where in ReverendKJr's thread does he claim to be an expert coder who is releasing a fully usable ROM. Everything is very clear in the OP that he is showcasing some of the work VeryGreen did on the KFHD8.9 and trying "learn as he goes" and port some of that over to the KFHD7.
You: A dev who hasn't posted anything in the "dev" section yet, trying to belittle someone who has; is like a 5 year old scribbling over their neighbor's painting so that everyone will look at theirs instead.
2. Not many users are looking for an Ubuntu Desktop ROM on their KFHD. I can safely speak for the majority of this community: they're waiting for AOSP Android in some fully functional form. Tho, if you are hinting that you have a working copy of unreleased Ubuntu Phone, I'm sure there will be some interest in that as well.
3. You mention being on the phone with TI daily. But let me ask you ... why? There are publicly available resources to gather almost any information you need on TI products. And about the ONLY thing that's really made by Texas Instruments in the Kindle Fire HD's is the CPU and the battery gauge. Everything else about the device is some other manufacturer. And to prove it here's a QUICK breakdown of the KFHD8.9 of which the 7" is very similar:
*CPU: TI OMAP4470 @ 1.5Ghz
InvenSense MPU6050 w/ Gyroscope, Accelerometer and Compass (Aichi Steel ami306)
Light Sensor: Maxim MAX44007
*Battery Gauge: TI BQ27541
Charger: Summit SMB347
Wifi: Broadcom 4330 wlan
Audio: Wolfson Micro’s WM8962E
Touchscreen: Cypress TrueTouch
LCD: NT71391 Hydis 1920x1200 WUGA DSI
Here are random sources off the top of my head which would serve you better than a phone call to a now very understaffed mobile/smart phone department:
http://www.omapzoom.com
http://dev.omapzoom.com
http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
https://gforge.ti.com/gf/
4. I'm curious how you plan on solving the M3/ducati issues presented by running in Ubuntu. This would be the 2x sub processors normally designed to run HD codecs and camera. In Android, they are coded with a real time OS which communicates with the OMX integration layer (see: hardware/ti/omap4xxx/domx in Android source for more info). In Ubuntu, they don't use OMX, instead opting for g-streamer and other solutions. The ducati presented by Amazon uses OMX. Not G-Streamer. So unless you're planning on software decoders (less than desirable), this is going to be an issue.
So I'm going to call your bluff: Show me yours and I'll show you mine. Feel free to PM me.
Mine:
I have CM10.1 booting on the KFHD8.9. I'm re-writing the userspace audio driver from scratch (not done) and the HD codecs/camera functions need tweaks. Working Display, Wifi, BT, Sensors, etc. It's running a 3.0.50 kernel based on TI's latest OMAP4 kernel release. It's fully enhanced with blitsville drivers and brand new PowerVR graphics drivers released only a few days ago.
Sources:
https://github.com/KFire-Android/android_local_manifest
Specically, kernel: https://github.com/KFire-Android/kernel_omap_bowser-common
(You may note that I've left a place holder device for the KFHD7 which is pre-set up with as much information as I have currently.)
I have publicly admitted that I'm overbooked with devices and wasn't planning on supporting the KFHD7.. BUT that doesn't stop another dev from looking at my work on the KFHD8.9 and porting it to the KFHD7.
In closing:
1. Don't insult devs who are looking to help out in a community that is lacking. Everyone needs to start somewhere and who knows what may come of it.
2. Development isn't "dead" on the KFHD7. It's just in a deep state of slumber.

Hashcode said:
This is kind of a poor attempt at a troll don't you think?
1. No where in ReverendKJr's thread does he claim to be an expert coder who is releasing a fully usable ROM. Everything is very clear in the OP that he is showcasing some of the work VeryGreen did on the KFHD8.9 and trying "learn as he goes" and port some of that over to the KFHD7.
You: A dev who hasn't posted anything in the "dev" section yet, trying to belittle someone who has; is like a 5 year old scribbling over their neighbor's painting so that everyone will look at theirs instead.
2. Not many users are looking for an Ubuntu Desktop ROM on their KFHD. I can safely speak for the majority of this community: they're waiting for AOSP Android in some fully functional form. Tho, if you are hinting that you have a working copy of unreleased Ubuntu Phone, I'm sure there will be some interest in that as well.
3. You mention being on the phone with TI daily. But let me ask you ... why? There are publicly available resources to gather almost any information you need on TI products. And about the ONLY thing that's really made by Texas Instruments in the Kindle Fire HD's is the CPU and the battery gauge. Everything else about the device is some other manufacturer. And to prove it here's a QUICK breakdown of the KFHD8.9 of which the 7" is very similar:
*CPU: TI OMAP4470 @ 1.5Ghz
InvenSense MPU6050 w/ Gyroscope, Accelerometer and Compass (Aichi Steel ami306)
Light Sensor: Maxim MAX44007
*Battery Gauge: TI BQ27541
Charger: Summit SMB347
Wifi: Broadcom 4330 wlan
Audio: Wolfson Micro’s WM8962E
Touchscreen: Cypress TrueTouch
LCD: NT71391 Hydis 1920x1200 WUGA DSI
Here are random sources off the top of my head which would serve you better than a phone call to a now very understaffed mobile/smart phone department:
http://www.omapzoom.com
http://dev.omapzoom.com
http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
https://gforge.ti.com/gf/
4. I'm curious how you plan on solving the M3/ducati issues presented by running in Ubuntu. This would be the 2x sub processors normally designed to run HD codecs and camera. In Android, they are coded with a real time OS which communicates with the OMX integration layer (see: hardware/ti/omap4xxx/domx in Android source for more info). In Ubuntu, they don't use OMX, instead opting for g-streamer and other solutions. The ducati presented by Amazon uses OMX. Not G-Streamer. So unless you're planning on software decoders (less than desirable), this is going to be an issue.
So I'm going to call your bluff: Show me yours and I'll show you mine. Feel free to PM me.
Mine:
I have CM10.1 booting on the KFHD8.9. I'm re-writing the userspace audio driver from scratch (not done) and the HD codecs/camera functions need tweaks. Working Display, Wifi, BT, Sensors, etc. It's running a 3.0.50 kernel based on TI's latest OMAP4 kernel release. It's fully enhanced with blitsville drivers and brand new PowerVR graphics drivers released only a few days ago.
Sources:
https://github.com/KFire-Android/android_local_manifest
Specically, kernel: https://github.com/KFire-Android/kernel_omap_bowser-common
(You may note that I've left a place holder device for the KFHD7 which is pre-set up with as much information as I have currently.)
I have publicly admitted that I'm overbooked with devices and wasn't planning on supporting the KFHD7.. BUT that doesn't stop another dev from looking at my work on the KFHD8.9 and porting it to the KFHD7.
In closing:
1. Don't insult devs who are looking to help out in a community that is lacking. Everyone needs to start somewhere and who knows what may come of it.
2. Development isn't "dead" on the KFHD7. It's just in a deep state of slumber.
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please, tell us what you did so we can do it in the kindle fire 7"
and yeah, i want android, not ubuntu, ubuntu is beautiful, but i tweak for android, i love android!
give me a clean 8.9 build.prop from amazon, so i can add this device to my tweaks

Hashcode,
We have been in business since 1982 and have nothing to prove to anyone, certainly not you - our business speaks for itself. I respect you work and although I do not agree with all your decisions I still respect you as a developer and believe you are quite a genius - we have spoken in such a fashion in quite a few posts.
This is the beauty of this community, we can all have different ideas, different platforms and different OS's - all meet together as developers to share and be part of an overall goal to improve the end users experience. We never said ours was the best. We can have an open dialogue and not always agree but in the end we can respect on another.
This is a ridiculous response and I will not respond or waste any more time on it other than this one response.
We may not even be allowed to post the ROM in the end since Canonical Ubuntu has not made a final decision on it's marketing strategy. In the end, we may only be allowed to post apps for Canonical, everything is in the air at the moment. This just fine with us since we resell there other products and the Kindle Development is about 1% of our total monthly business.
We specialize in Anti-Spam, have you heard of Postini? We developed an anti-spam engine back in 2002 that was eventually bought by Postini, which was eventually sold to Google. Anyway, this too is a small part of my total company revenue. So I have done my share of development work - this is just a hobby to us, not a primary means of income. As a matter of fact, we decline to charge most customers that send there Kindle back to us for data recovery. This is one of the many gifts we offer to people in the XDA Community.
Rather than get upset, why don't YOU apply to be a developer for Canonical and bring on competition within the Ubuntu world? We would love to have you aboard, if you meet the minimum business requirements.
Just like yourself, we are here to share our abilities with the XDA Community. One thing we refuse to do is dialogue with someone who has posted an aggressive response like you have done. We have done nothing but spoken highly of your work, we have mentioned your name in several posts so we really do not deserve this kind of garbage.
This would have been far better received in a Private message or call to our number which is posted in every response. I am sure we pressed buttons with you or have somehow become a threat which I really do not understand? There is plenty of room for everyone here in XDA and I love competition - this is how I came up with my name, I am sponsored by Prokennex - Michael Martinez is a good friend of mine.
Let's just see what happens over the next few months, I believe of letting action speak, not words. This site is NOT our primary means of income, we own a large data center and manage over 650 customers - we are an IT Company that manages companies like: Kaiser Permanente in Oakland, Chevron Corp in Dublin CA, Wells Fargo Bank in Oakland, Alcan Plastic Packaging in Newark, VTA Transit in Santa Clara and many more.
Between my company and Racquet Ball, I have absolutely no free time!
We are honored to be a part of the XDA Community allowing us to share our expertise and experience, this is our goal here in XDA Developers, not to impress you or anyone else.
Finally, we joined Ubuntu quite a few years ago reselling there desktop and server platform as a Windows replacement. When they discussed releasing the Ubuntu for Phones and Ubuntu for Android, the idea fit our vertical market perfectly so we joined this solution at the 2013 CES show. The idea is to replace the desktop workstation, which will happen since phones & tablets have plenty of power to perform such a task - I am just surprised it took this long to come to reality.
God Bless.