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Promise of something better from Samsung in Feb?
Could it be the Galaxy S2?
Thoughts?
There will always be something bigger and better on the horizon in the world of cell phones. But no expandable memory and 3g on tmobile only? I'll be waiting for something else.
I talk about why I feel Google/Sammy partnership was a last minute idea, and that they both tried to get dual-core into the Nexus S but couldn't do it in time to launch with Gingerbread. In other words, the Nexus S was a rushed device, and maybe we should reconsider before buying them and allowing them to "get away," so to speak, with providing us a Nexus branded phone that doesn't live up to what the Nexus name entails.
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I am with you completely. The lack of expandable memory reminds me of the iphone, and the xmas release timing would fit into your theory of a rushed device. To me a phone meant to follow nexus one should blow everyone's socks off and this (while I'm sure it is a nice phone) isn't even close. In fact I would go so far to say that other than gingerbread, it seems a slight improvement at best.
also keep in mind that the Galaxy 2, no matter how good the specs, is going to be running touchwiz and not stock android.
if you want a stock android device, the nexus s is the way to go right now, or the G2 if you want a keyboard.
dude.. im waiting for the EVO 5 ...**** gonna fly... lol if u think like that stay away from technology
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also keep in mind that the Galaxy 2, no matter how good the specs, is going to be running touchwiz and not stock android.
if you want a stock android device, the nexus s is the way to go right now, or the G2 if you want a keyboard.
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Exactly. I'm getting the Nexus S because it's a Google phone. Samsung makes very good hardware, but they are lousy progammers. What good is great hardware when it's let down by crappy drivers? Google, on the other hand, specialize in software, and they're very good at it.
Samsung hardware and Google software, that should be an awesome combination.
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I talk about why I feel Google/Sammy partnership was a last minute idea, and that they both tried to get dual-core into the Nexus S but couldn't do it in time to launch with Gingerbread. In other words, the Nexus S was a rushed device, and maybe we should reconsider before buying them and allowing them to "get away," so to speak, with providing us a Nexus branded phone that doesn't live up to what the Nexus name entails.
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Nexus S has always been a single-core product. I've read lots of entertaining rumors about multicore, though. The belief that we changed SoCs from Orion to Hummingbird (or were going to change the other way around) at the last moment is fascinating, but completely out of touch with the realities of developing these devices.
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The belief that we changed SoCs from Orion to Hummingbird (or were going to change the other way around) at the last moment is fascinating, but completely out of touch with the realities of developing these devices.
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Of course you'd say that, it's all part of the Great Google Nexus Conspiracy
The quad-core Nexus 3 is probably being developed at Area 51 at this very moment! I'm thinking virtual screen and keyboard, holographic, of course.
Nothing is going to hold me back from buying this. By the time dual core comes. They would be talking about quad cores
And I m getting everything I need from the current generation phones. Will upgrade later if they really have something good on the table to offer
My disappointment doesn't come so much from the lack of dual-core, but more from the lack of HSPA+ support. It's baffling (but not really baffling considering I feel Google/Sammy's partnership came mid-year during or after the Galaxy S success, and they both rushed to get the Nexus S out with Gingerbread before Xmas) that they would not include support for 4G when you start to consider the Nexus S into the year 2011 (it's coming in approximately 3 weeks). All carriers are pushing toward "4G" and even some handsets already support it. Yes, it's not prominent now, but this is the future of 2011, and for a Nexus branded phone to not be future-proof makes it difficult to drop $529 dollars on - especially when you factor in the other baffling decisions (lack of SD expansion, 480p HD recording, dropping LED).
Okay let's get this clear...
HSPA+ isn't a big factor. Yet.
Why?
My Vibrant has pulled down 7.2mbps. My G2 pulled down 10mbps.
Big upgrade? Not really.
Vibrant (and Nexus S) are both capped at 7.2 (device)
G2 is capped at 14.4. The G2 however is very unlikely to go over 10 until late next year, if that.
an extra 3mbps doesn't matter much if you're already pulling down 5+. On your... Cell Phone.
However! Most people pull less than 5mbps period. If this is true, HSPA+ doesn't even matter for you.
I love my nexus one and yes I was tempted by the nexus s but as we all know internally its just another random device out there. My question is when dual cores come out what are you going to do with your Nexus One?
My plan is to keep my Nexus One at home in the box as my back up phone. Ever so often take it out boot it up and flash it to the lastest version of Android it can handle.
Well I think the n1 is far from its end of life. The only disadvantage it will have over the dual cores is ability to run advanced games. Unless google makes major ui changes like how running live wallpapers made the g1 look more like a last gen device, then we are good
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I don't understand, how much money do people spend on phones in this forum?
I'm hoping to use my Nexus for at least 2 more years. There is absolutely nothing out or coming out soon that seems like a large enough jump for me to justify buying another phone.
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I don't understand, how much money do people spend on phones in this forum?
I'm hoping to use my Nexus for at least 2 more years. There is absolutely nothing out or coming out soon that seems like a large enough jump for me to justify buying another phone.
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same here...
i'm actually just waiting on purolator to come to my door to give me my nexus one...
if i want to play games, i'll use my xbox... haha.
or i'll get a tablet.
i'm interested in seeing what motorola is going to show us... definitely putting off on buying a tablet until then.
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Well I think the n1 is far from its end of life. The only disadvantage it will have over the dual cores is ability to run advanced games. Unless google makes major ui changes like how running live wallpapers made the g1 look more like a last gen device, then we are good
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That just might be what Honeycomb is. Speculation but we all pretty much know that it will bring a huge change to how the UI works.
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I plan to keep my Nexus One until early 2012 because frankly, I can't afford to replace my phone every time something faster comes out.
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I plan to keep my Nexus One until early 2012 because frankly, I can't afford to replace my phone every time something faster comes out.
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Same. Unless something awesome comes out on a really good contract. I do like the look of that LG Star/2X, and I imagine 'better' manufacturers will come out with their similar spec'd offerings shortly, which is why I have no real interest in the Nexus S.
At that point, the N1 will be sold for whatever I can get for it
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I plan to keep my Nexus One until early 2012 because frankly, I can't afford to replace my phone every time something faster comes out.
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See I can afford to replace my phone with the latest and greatest the thing is there isn't anything worth buying. I play games on my computer, not my phone so the Nexus S doesn't benefit me in any way.
I'll dump my N1 when something ground breaking comes out (dual core might be it but would need support for it) or when my N1 feels slow like my sons G1 does compared to my N1.
I'll upgrade to a Nexus S once they're free (or $50) on contract, and a decent car dock is shipping. The N1 car dock leaves a lot to be desired, but I wouldn't be without it.
I bought my wife a NS to replace her broken G1, and frankly I'm amazed at how much I like it over the N1. It's ridiculously fast and the 4" screen is a lot better for my middle-aged eyes. My N1 gets so laggy at times I just want to smash it, and I've never had that happen with the NS.
It baffles me why they can't release accessories like car and desk docks when these phones come out, instead of waiting 3-6 months.
I might give some thought to running an AOSP ROM on a Galaxy S, but with the G1 and N1 I've really preferred the bugs in Google's official releases over the bugs in the other ROMs I've tried. Right now my N1 has FRG83D+root and I'm looking forward to the official 2.3 update.
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I bought my wife a NS to replace her broken G1, and frankly I'm amazed at how much I like it over the N1. It's ridiculously fast and the 4" screen is a lot better for my middle-aged eyes. My N1 gets so laggy at times I just want to smash it, and I've never had that happen with the NS.
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The irony is, that NS CPU performance-wise is about equal to N1. Hence it must be the difference between 2.2 and 2.3. Or you have some funny background tasks on your N1.
I dont plan on upgrading until something that's clearly a generation leap comes out. Im used to upgrading every year but haven't found anything worth upgrading to yet
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I dont plan on upgrading until something that's clearly a generation leap comes out. Im used to upgrading every year but haven't found anything worth upgrading to yet
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I had the same problem with my N95
I dont upgrade every time something new comes out my upgrade was there for the g1 when it came out Oct two years ago. My contract went up in Oct of this year currently out of contract. I bought my N1 off of someone from Clist for 320 back in May. I figured since I have the upgrade why not use it and put my N1 in a safe place where it wont get hurt
In the current scenario , there's absolutely no reason to justify an upgrade . Gingerbread based ROMs will appear soon & I am absolutely clear in my mind that even honeycomb can be modified to run smoothly on our N1's albeit some overclocking might be necessary with higher versions of android . But thats not the case with gingerbread & Nexus S is a complete failure from my point of view as a Google Developer / Flagship device.
I am not willing to upgrade for atleast one more year .
Can I have one fact about NS CPU being faster than N1's?
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I am eyeing the Motorola Olympus because of build quality and tegra dual core. But I would have gladly bought the Nexus S if it had two mics and AT&T 3g bands. I can't figure out why these GSM phones aren't all pentaband these days. The antenna chips are usually capable but they leave out key parts like certain cheap amplifiers that keep the capability off. It's really annoying.
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The irony is, that NS CPU performance-wise is about equal to N1. Hence it must be the difference between 2.2 and 2.3. Or you have some funny background tasks on your N1.
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the 1ghz hummingbird is similar to the 1ghz snapdragon in the n1, however the GPU is many times faster... for anything that involves graphics, the GPU will help out immensely.
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In the current scenario , there's absolutely no reason to justify an upgrade . Gingerbread based ROMs will appear soon & I am absolutely clear in my mind that even honeycomb can be modified to run smoothly on our N1's albeit some overclocking might be necessary with higher versions of android.
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N1 performance-wise is still on the very top of the smartphones. Yes, the touch screen digitizer is not perfect and the GPU is not the quickest in the world, but for the OS itself it is pretty much a non issue.
If N1 is not powerful enough to run the honeycomb, then very little of todays phones are (in fact none). Instantly making all of them obsolete.
Of course it is entirely another thing if goog will want to invest into N1 development.
No intentions of upgrading until maybe this time next year. Right now it meets everyone of my needs. Still having fun with it. The flaws most folks point out generally either don't bother me or I don't notice them on a day to day use. The only phone I was torn on getting was a G2 even that was more because I had a G1 and loved that phone. I rode that one into the ground. 4-5 warranty trade outs. Still have it rooted running CM as a protable game system for my 3 year old son.
Every phone that has come out so far has been slightly better. When it is time to retire the N1 it will be for something 1-2 generations better than what's available now.
I've always said my nexus one is worthy of a permanent collection device since It's nicer than most phones. Besides I don't have any backup emergency device so I'm gonna keep it in case of emergency backup device.
Normally I sell my device after 6 months for 50% of what I paid and use that cash for my next device.
After CES and MWC seeing new phones being announced. Like for example the Motorola Atrix and The new Galaxy S II. I would still want to get the Nexus S probably because of the stock android. Is this normal, are there any other people that feel the same way as I do?
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After CES and MWC seeing new phones being announced. Like for example the Motorola Atrix and The new Galaxy S II. I would still want to get the Nexus S probably because of the stock android. Is this normal, are there any other people that feel the same way as I do?
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I watched all of CES and I've been following MWC a bit more loosely but not a single one of them makes me want to give up my Nexus S. If you could keep my SNS I'd love to have an HTC Pyramid on top of it but just for poops and giggles. The SNS is the best phone I've owned and I love it.
I feel the same way as you do, but you can also run stock on a Galaxy S II or Motorola Atrix, with Custom ROMs. Of course, it won't be the same as with the Nexus S.
I just like the Nexus s as a whole. What I mean to say with that is that stock Android and updates from Google isn't the only thing I like about the Nexus.
I feel the same. I haven't seen anything that I would want instead of my Nexus S. Vanilla Android beats all
I feel the same..
while i like direct upgrades from Google in the SNS
i really like the hardware codec support for all the media files from the SGS2, and the dual core, and 1GB RAM, and the larger 1650mAh battery, and the 8 mpix camera with the flash, and the microSD support, and NFC, and BT3.0, and...
it's a really hard decision to make, forfeit direct upgrades to get all the goodies vs. keep direct upgrades, and have no goodies
the moment of truth will come when the AWS t-mobile model 1700+2100 hit the runway then i'll let me greed decide
None of these new phones are appealing to me at all.
I'll only buy into the Nexus brand from now on. This phone has been everything I've ever wanted from an Android device.
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while i like direct upgrades from Google in the SNS
i really like the hardware codec support for all the media files from the SGS2, and the dual core, and 1GB RAM, and the larger 1650mAh battery, and the 8 mpix camera with the flash, and the microSD support, and NFC, and BT3.0, and...
it's a really hard decision to make, forfeit direct upgrades to get all the goodies vs. keep direct upgrades, and have no goodies
the moment of truth will come when the AWS t-mobile model 1700+2100 hit the runway then i'll let me greed decide
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and super amoled+. I'm looking forward to a 4" variant, if they make one.
Love my Nexus S. The hardware, the fact that is supported straight from Google, everything about it.
I'm not saying i'm not curious about the new dual core devices, but think about that for a minute: our single core phones go through a day - day and half with a 1540mA battery. Imagine the talk/standby time of those new phones with only 1650 and 1900 mA batteries. When sth just comes out, usually needs work. Like Win7, dual core phones, the android when it ws first launched.
So, i think i'm gonna wait a while before trying a new device.
Google Nexus S rules...
For the most part, I agree. There's nothing so appealing to make me want to ditch my current Nexus S, however, understand what "stock Android" means.
Yes, you get the latest Google updates, and you get the unhampered Android experience, but just be aware that Android is riddled with glitches ranging from minor annoyances to some pretty major issues. (Just to name a few off my head: keyboard issues, home screen icon and swiping issues, gallery issues, rebooting issues, SMS and MMS issues...)
As long as you understand that being on the Nexus line means you're essentially the "beta tester" for Google's Android iterations, then you shouldn't be disappointed. I'm just sharing my personal experience. I found many things critical about the Android experience on previous phones, but always had OEM skins to blame. On the NS, that excuse is invalid.
I too am fairly disappointed with all of the new phones (including the NS to an extent).
Atrix = Plastic, and has Moto's locked down bootloader (major negative, and if it wasn't so locked down, I may have made an exception for its cheaper build quality).
Inspire 4G = Nothing too impressive, still has HTCs horrible mic and speaker quality and probably a ****ty digitizer/touch screen.
HTCs entire new lineup: No dual core? No gingerbread for the Incredible? Minimal upgrades at best.
SGSII = Plastic.
Nexus S = Plastic.
I may be old fashioned, but can anyone other than HTC make a $600+ Android phone that isn't plastic? Or what? Combine HTCs metal build, Moto's excellent speaker quality, Samsung's sensitive touchscreen, and then tack on the true Google experience -- and there you have it, the perfect Android device.
Until then, the iPhone still has an edge over Android with their polished build quality. I'm probably going to get attacked with fanboi'ism (even though I've owned 3 Android devices in the last 2 years), but whatever... it's true... There always seems to be trade offs with Android devices, whether it's build, or OS fragmentation - it drives me crazy.
I'm going to be picking up an Android fun to bum around with, and it's most likely going to be the Nexus S when and if it arrives to Rogers, just because it's the next iteration of the Nexus One. I'll put up with the cheap build quality (I'll try really hard not to drop it) and call it a day.
Ill stay with my Nexy Sexy
DigitaL BlisS said:
Combine HTCs metal build, Moto's excellent speaker quality, Samsung's sensitive touchscreen, and then tack on the true Google experience -- and there you have it, the perfect Android device.
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I 100% completely agree in that point
why it is so hard for all the manufacture to put all the best stuff together and make a perfect phone?
seems like every manufacture only specializes in 1 thing, but not the rest of the phone.
personally i wanted a phone for work and fun, so the Nexus S fit the profile, just a bit disappointing in the reception area, and speaker, it serves better as a PDA than a phone
for my girl i got her a Moto because it's radio and speaker perfect, it will always get a signal, it was designed as a phone, and it works as a phone
I must say I regret dropping $600 on this phone at the eve of dual-cores. It is not that the Nexus S is "bad"; sure 2.3 isn't 100% bug-free but the phone itself is great. I just find it really dumb of me to purchase a phone with single core when dual-cores are right around the corner.
P.S. Atrix might have a lot of things going for it, but the most major innovation I find in the Atrix is the huge battery and great battery life, without sacrificing phone size (in regards to thickness).
I'm sold on the idea of a google backed phone. Now I just need to save up for one of these and find a way out of my contract with sprint. I am just tired of the run around with updates between carrier/mfg. I think I am over the need for having the latest and greatest and can settle down with one device for a while until the newest nexus comes around. A small trade off in my opinion as I will still have the latest OS and support from great devs and plenty of time to save for the next one. Last plus for me is being able to get on a month to month service and no more contracts. I'm on my way over guys, just saving up some cash then its on ;-)
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Have you seen the LG Optimus 2X reviews? Force closes and crashes left and right... talk about half baked.
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I must say I regret dropping $600 on this phone at the eve of dual-cores. It is not that the Nexus S is "bad"; sure 2.3 isn't 100% bug-free but the phone itself is great. I just find it really dumb of me to purchase a phone with single core when dual-cores are right around the corner.
P.S. Atrix might have a lot of things going for it, but the most major innovation I find in the Atrix is the huge battery and great battery life, without sacrificing phone size (in regards to thickness).
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So far none of these new phones make me want to give up my NS either.
Atrix - locked bootloader
SGS2 - too big, not a fan of the design - I want a search button!
LG 2x - its an LG lol
I may change my mind once I get to play with these phones
Alopez_45 said:
After CES and MWC seeing new phones being announced. Like for example the Motorola Atrix and The new Galaxy S II. I would still want to get the Nexus S probably because of the stock android. Is this normal, are there any other people that feel the same way as I do?
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+1
I have a Nexus S and it's awesome. Stock Android is the only way to go.
I'm not gonna lie. I'm still thinking of getting one, even with all the phones on the horizon. My upgrade from T-Mobile isn't until July. Tax return is burning a hole in my pocket... If only they had a car dock like the Nexus One...
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I must say I regret dropping $600 on this phone at the eve of dual-cores. It is not that the Nexus S is "bad"; sure 2.3 isn't 100% bug-free but the phone itself is great. I just find it really dumb of me to purchase a phone with single core when dual-cores are right around the corner.
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Would it be dumb to get a dual core phone with QUAD CORE phones right around the corner?
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I would say about 80 percent of Atrix users I have spoke to are unhappy with there purchase. With mumblings of shoddy software and no real time speed increases, its fair to assume this device is a bit of a fail. Just go over to the marketplace and see the large second hand market for Atrix's, after just one month on sale.
So glad I have my Nexus S
The Atrix I fear is one of the nails in motorola's coffin.
Google rules
JD
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lol.. any chance you read the benchmark comparisons between LG Optimus 2X vs. Atrix? not that benchmarks mean anything but it was interesting to see the difference between those two phones.
Next up versus the Nexus S. T-Mobile G2x, it actually seems like a good competitor on paper. Since its reportedly supposed to be running on stock Android. But I'll most likely wait until a quad-core Nexus phone comes out since Quad cores are rumored to be done by later this year.
These devices I feel are making a bad name for android. People who got the atrix as their first android phone, would probably think that android is laggy even with dual core processor. I wish Google would have went the 'apple route' and control both hardware and software instead of letting these manufacturers put crap on android.
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lol.. any chance you read the benchmark comparisons between LG Optimus 2X vs. Atrix? not that benchmarks mean anything but it was interesting to see the difference between those two phones.
Next up versus the Nexus S. T-Mobile G2x, it actually seems like a good competitor on paper. Since its reportedly supposed to be running on stock Android. But I'll most likely wait until a quad-core Nexus phone comes out since Quad cores are rumored to be done by later this year.
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Quad core hummingbird and snapdragon's would be class, but as with everything we will have to wait for the software to catch up with the hardware
Motorola really make some crap phones though, and the crapness emanates from Motoblur, it basically makes apps incompatible,
What a great skin Full marks Moto
JD
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Agree with Mokurex anyone use this device will hate Android
I think Google should force phones manufactures to install a stock
Android over there phones (controlled by Google).
Then they could put there software in the market
and make it connected with the phone serial number.
That will make all phones up to date also will give the consumer
the right to chose wither to install these apps or not
I tried many Android phones from HTC, MOTO and SAMSUNG
I found Nexus S the fastest, cleanest and most beautiful phone
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Agree with Mokurex anyone use this device will hate Android
I think Google should force phones manufactures to install a stock
Android over there phones (controlled by Google).
Then they could put there software in the market
and make it connected with the phone serial number.
That will make all phones up to date also will give the consumer
the right to chose wither to install these apps or not
I tried many Android phones from HTC, MOTO and SAMSUNG
I found Nexus S the fastest, cleanest and most beautiful phone
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Android is Open Source, they couldn't reinforce those ideas if they wanted to because Android from the very beginning was established to be opened to any company.
And honestly, too many of you are thinking as a enthusiastic user. Why exactly do you think these manufacturers don't care so much about upgrading their phones to the latest Android version? The average user is the large % of their sales. The average user doesn't look at Android the way we do. They don't even know about Froyo or Gingerbread. They just use a phone as a phone.
Nexus S is definitely a great device. And I'm not looking back. From this point onward (since Nexus S), I decided that I'm only getting Nexus based devices. Anything other than that, I'm not interested.
I happen to have an Atrix and Nexus S in front of me right now... been testing them together for a few days. The Nexus S has been my main daily driver and the Atrix just accompanies to see how well it stacks up. Bottom line... the Atrix is going back, nexus S staying for a while longer for now.
It's just another classical case of good hardware, horrible software implementation, similar to how Nokia was going with S60. Nothing is optimized for the dual core, the Nexus S is faster at almost every task, even flash playback in the browser which is surprising, because the hummingbird chipsets are known to suck at browsing compared to snapdragons. Also, the Atrix has a terrible case of color banding... if you thought the SAMOLEDs were bad, the Atrix just doesn't use its 24bit panel at all. Again, poor software. The camera is much better, and the battery is significantly better, but all the software and bloatware just takes away from the experience so much.
If you have anything you guys want me to compare between the two let me know before I return it =)
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Android is Open Source, they couldn't reinforce those ideas if they wanted to because Android from the very beginning was established to be opened to any company.
And honestly, too many of you are thinking as a enthusiastic user. Why exactly do you think these manufacturers don't care so much about upgrading their phones to the latest Android version? The average user is the large % of their sales. The average user doesn't look at Android the way we do. They don't even know about Froyo or Gingerbread. They just use a phone as a phone.
Nexus S is definitely a great device. And I'm not looking back. From this point onward (since Nexus S), I decided that I'm only getting Nexus based devices. Anything other than that, I'm not interested.
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Only Google phone's for me too from now on. And I don't think I could consider another HTC phone without AMOLED as minimum screen spec... This is why samsung have a hold of the market, the screens are fantastic
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JupiterDroid said:
Only Google phone's for me too from now on. And I don't think I could consider another HTC phone without AMOLED as minimum screen spec... This is why samsung have a hold of the market, the screens are fantastic
JD
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correction: Super AMOLED i wonder what Super AMOLED Plus looks like, but yeah i totally agree about Samsung. I don't get whats the hatred towards Samsung, they have no control over the Nexus S.
Sure, people criticize about the plastic back. I wish it was aluminium myself, but believe me. This phone is not CHEAPLY made at all, it's solidly constructed.
There's no such thing as a perfect phone. But the Nexus S is pretty damn close to perfect. If it had 720p and SD card, it'd be perfect without question. 4G on top of that, it's a dream phone. But I don't really care about 4G
I have Q could Nexus s get 720p thru a future update?
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I have Q could Nexus s get 720p thru a future update?
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No its a hardware limitation. It could get hacked by CyanogenMod team and 720p could be added but it wouldn't be "true" 720p if you know what I mean.
Motorola sux
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Torn between these two phones, was going to pick up an Atrix the other day but then found out Nexus S is coming to all Canadian carriers according to Samsung.
Love the Nexus but really hate the fact it's only 16GB with no SD card. If it was 32GB I could handle it. Missing 720p sucks too.
How likely is it that Motorola would either fix Motoblur or ditch it when they release the Atrix Gingerbread update this year? or at least unlock the bootloader so you can run a stock version of Gingerbread if you choose?
If I was confident that I could run stock versions of Android on the Atrix, my decision would be easy.
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How likely is it that Motorola would either fix Motoblur or ditch it when they release the Atrix Gingerbread update this year? or at least unlock the bootloader so you can run a stock version of Gingerbread if you choose?
If I was confident that I could run stock versions of Android on the Atrix, my decision would be easy.
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Well that's pretty easy to answer. The probability of that happening is zero. Motorola locks the bootloader on all their phones and it's up to people here to hack it. It only really slows them down, but still it's annoying. Also, gingerbread will be a while away I'm guessing, let alone Ice Cream.
Just look at the entire history of Motorola android phones and see which ones actually have an AOSP ROM out (cyanogen)... the answer is only one, the original Droid/Milestone from 2009. If you want customization, HTC and Samsung phones seem to get more ROMs. You may think that Motorola doesn't want custom ROMs because they polish their blur UI but it's quite the opposite with my Atrix experience. Everything, I mean virtually EVERYTHING is half-assed on the phone. Terrible color banding, random reboots, tons and tons of bloatware that conflict with each other and drain the battery (which is why you see battery complaints despite having a 1930mah battery).
thanks, making my decision easier. I'm a noob to android, switching over from my piece of crap iphone (jailbroken, themed, etc) so I'm hoping to learn from anybody's experience with these phones.
The nexus will probably make me happier, but I love the hardware profile of the Atrix. Damn I just want an Atrix running a clean version of Gingerbread.
Don't get me wrong, the Atrix is still a great phone. If you're stuck between an iPhone, Atrix, or Nexus S, no matter what you'll end up with a powerful phone. I have no doubt the Atrix will be a smooth machine in the hands of an experienced Android user who knows what apps to freeze, etc., but there are some things that just can't be fixed until Motorola decides to fix them for us such as the color banding, capped upload speeds, multitouch bugs, etc. Yea it has a Tegra 2, but the GPU is actually not even better than the Nexus S/Galaxy S GPU. I've played a bunch of Tegra games and they don't look any better than games that are on the iPhone (which has a slower GPU than the Nexus S). Sure, Tegra zone will help the gaming market pick up for android by enforcing a standard, but it's still a crappy standard for coming out a year later.
darklord74 said:
thanks, making my decision easier. I'm a noob to android, switching over from my piece of crap iphone (jailbroken, themed, etc) so I'm hoping to learn from anybody's experience with these phones.
The nexus will probably make me happier, but I love the hardware profile of the Atrix. Damn I just want an Atrix running a clean version of Gingerbread.
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I would say about 80 percent of Atrix users I have spoke to are unhappy with there purchase. With mumblings of shoddy software and no real time speed increases, its fair to assume this device is a bit of a fail. Just go over to the marketplace and see the large second hand market for Atrix's, after just one month on sale.
So glad I have my Nexus S
The Atrix I fear is one of the nails in motorola's coffin.
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i actually posted my Nexus Vs Atrix on the Atrix forum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=992512
over all. the new problems with atrix makes it abit of fail device now in my eyes
- Locked bootloader. and it doesnt seem its going to be unlocked anytime soon. even the new HTC is locked. i believe from now on all the phones will be locked. which makes the Nexus Line is the only available option for the people like us who like to tweak his phone. whatever optimus 2x or galaxy S2 or Evo 3d will be unlocked is different story. but for now. the best safe bet go with Nexus line.
- only 2 fingers for multi touch + it stops working after you holding it for 12 seconds. like say you are playing racing games, and you are pressing the screen to throttle, while the other finger to move your car, after 12 seconds both touches will stop responding and the screen will act fuzzy for like 4 to 5 seconds before it gets its act together. whatever that is hardware problem or software problem. its a total fail for gaming on that device no matter how powerful its.
and even if its a software issue, knowing motorolla. atrix owners will be glad if they get it fixed by the end of the year. + locked bootloader so devs to try and fix it them selves is out of the window. makes the atrix a complete fail in my eyes.
- the screen is ****. i am sorry but if i can see pixels on both screens. why would i go with less colors ? sure the pixels density are more in atrix. but i still see the pixels. and the colors are not nice as SA. why would i go back step ?
honestly. between atrix and Nexus S. the Nexus S wins hands down. and this coming from an iphone owner who used atrix for couple of days and use the nexus S almost every day since its with my young brother
but i dont agree that this is a nail in the coffin for motorolla. this company is so huge to be effected by couple of flips of phones. and even then. the moto sold very well. the hype alone sold the phone. sure many didnt like it. but for moto, they sold good enough so thats not a flop for them.
ll_l_x_l_ll said:
i actually posted my Nexus Vs Atrix on the Atrix forum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=992512
over all. the new problems with atrix makes it abit of fail device now in my eyes
- Locked bootloader. and it doesnt seem its going to be unlocked anytime soon. even the new HTC is locked. i believe from now on all the phones will be locked. which makes the Nexus Line is the only available option for the people like us who like to tweak his phone. whatever optimus 2x or galaxy S2 or Evo 3d will be unlocked is different story. but for now. the best safe bet go with Nexus line.
- only 2 fingers for multi touch + it stops working after you holding it for 12 seconds. like say you are playing racing games, and you are pressing the screen to throttle, while the other finger to move your car, after 12 seconds both touches will stop responding and the screen will act fuzzy for like 4 to 5 seconds before it gets its act together. whatever that is hardware problem or software problem. its a total fail for gaming on that device no matter how powerful its.
and even if its a software issue, knowing motorolla. atrix owners will be glad if they get it fixed by the end of the year. + locked bootloader so devs to try and fix it them selves is out of the window. makes the atrix a complete fail in my eyes.
- the screen is ****. i am sorry but if i can see pixels on both screens. why would i go with less colors ? sure the pixels density are more in atrix. but i still see the pixels. and the colors are not nice as SA. why would i go back step ?
honestly. between atrix and Nexus S. the Nexus S wins hands down. and this coming from an iphone owner who used atrix for couple of days and use the nexus S almost every day since its with my young brother
but i dont agree that this is a nail in the coffin for motorolla. this company is so huge to be effected by couple of flips of phones. and even then. the moto sold very well. the hype alone sold the phone. sure many didnt like it. but for moto, they sold good enough so thats not a flop for them.
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I fear these locked bootloaders have been brought in after what happened with the g2 and HD line. So many people bricked their phones using the early complicated method to root and get Eng S-off. I know for a fact T-Mobile USA replaced every handset without questioning or checking for the actual cause. I think when these phones eventually got back to HTC they saw there was only one future option, leave all phones unlocked, or lock down the phones completely. They seem to have chosen the second route. I personally would not buy a phone I could not root as this was the main reason for me to ditch the iphone. I'm a firm believer that if you purchase a phone you should be able to do what the hell you like with it. I would pefer that all phones come with an oem bootloader unlock but If activated generates a limited warranty to just hardware faults. I think OEM's just need to use some common sense when replacing handsets, people that brick their phones through lack of knowledge or stupidity should face the consequences.
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JupiterDroid said:
I fear these locked bootloaders have been brought in after what happened with the g2 and HD line. So many people bricked their phones using the early complicated method to root and get Eng S-off. I know for a fact T-Mobile USA replaced every handset without questioning or checking for the actual cause. I think when these phones eventually got back to HTC they saw there was only one future option, leave all phones unlocked, or lock down the phones completely. They seem to have chosen the second route. I personally would not buy a phone I could not root as this was the main reason for me to ditch the iphone. I'm a firm believer that if you purchase a phone you should be able to do what the hell you like with it. I would pefer that all phones come with an oem bootloader unlock but If activated generates a limited warranty to just hardware faults. I think OEM's just need to use some common sense when replacing handsets, people that brick their phones through lack of knowledge or stupidity should face the consequences.
JD
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actually, there is a more " easy " reason why they decided to lock it down.
they really dont want people to keep their phone. they want people to change at least once a year. which is why they are offering more than 1 device per year.
if you have unlocked bootloader. then you will update your software without needing HTC or Samsung or any other company for that matters. and it will prevent a possible future sale of their new offering. its a business move.
which is why i like apple in this regard. 1 phone per year. smart move. keep the customers loyal to you. dont screw them up by releasing a newer better device than yours every 3 months or 4.
there is a reason why apple is leading. too bad all other companies are that stupid :/
as for the andriod, i think from now on all companies will use a locked bootloader. locked karnel. the only way to go is the nexus line i assume if you are looking for open Dev mobile. and i highly doubt Samsung or LG will let their new high end phones like optimus 2x, optimus 3G or galaxy S2 to be without a signed bootloader.
ll_l_x_l_ll said:
i actually posted my Nexus Vs Atrix on the Atrix forum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=992512
over all. the new problems with atrix makes it abit of fail device now in my eyes
- Locked bootloader. and it doesnt seem its going to be unlocked anytime soon. even the new HTC is locked. i believe from now on all the phones will be locked. which makes the Nexus Line is the only available option for the people like us who like to tweak his phone. whatever optimus 2x or galaxy S2 or Evo 3d will be unlocked is different story. but for now. the best safe bet go with Nexus line.
- only 2 fingers for multi touch + it stops working after you holding it for 12 seconds. like say you are playing racing games, and you are pressing the screen to throttle, while the other finger to move your car, after 12 seconds both touches will stop responding and the screen will act fuzzy for like 4 to 5 seconds before it gets its act together. whatever that is hardware problem or software problem. its a total fail for gaming on that device no matter how powerful its.
and even if its a software issue, knowing motorolla. atrix owners will be glad if they get it fixed by the end of the year. + locked bootloader so devs to try and fix it them selves is out of the window. makes the atrix a complete fail in my eyes.
- the screen is ****. i am sorry but if i can see pixels on both screens. why would i go with less colors ? sure the pixels density are more in atrix. but i still see the pixels. and the colors are not nice as SA. why would i go back step ?
honestly. between atrix and Nexus S. the Nexus S wins hands down. and this coming from an iphone owner who used atrix for couple of days and use the nexus S almost every day since its with my young brother
but i dont agree that this is a nail in the coffin for motorolla. this company is so huge to be effected by couple of flips of phones. and even then. the moto sold very well. the hype alone sold the phone. sure many didnt like it. but for moto, they sold good enough so thats not a flop for them.
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I picked up an unlocked Atrix from Bell Canada (while I was there skiing) last week and put a long side my Nexus S, I actually prefer the Atrix - and I'll explain why.
I'm not one who cares about unlocking bootloaders. Not everyone wants to mod their phones. My Nexus S is still locked. BTW, the Atrix bootloader has been cracked (http://www.androidcentral.com/has-motorolas-bootloader-encryption-been-cracked) but you already knew that didnt you??
The Atrix is running Android 2.2 which accounts for a little lag and reduced dual core speed. Once it gets the latest version of Gingerbread - which has full multi CPU support, the phone will be a whole lot different. Having dual cores in the long run will at least keep the Atrix up there with the best for at least 6-7 months, as opposed to the Nexus S which is technically already outdated and old tech (actually it was already old tech 1-2 months prior to its release lol).
I actually like the screen on the Atrix and I rate it better than the Nexus S SAMOLED - especially outside. Sure the SAMOLED has deep blacks and rich colours, but I still cant see the ****er in direct sunlight. For me, this is a complete fail.
The finger print scanner is unique and reliable. Its good to know that my phone is locked down, especially if it is stolen or I loose it.
The build quality on mine is superb. I can't fault it to be honest.
The Atrix has gorilla glass (thank God), as opposed to a rubbish glass screen with a pathetic oleophobic coating that rubs off after 2 weeks of use (I'm on my 3rd Nexus S because of this **** BTW - and the screen scratches so easily even when its in my empty jeans pocket..... )
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The only advantages of having the Nexus S is that it will get the latest Android updates and you unlock the bootloader to flash what ever rom/kernel (whatever) you want...
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I'm not here to bash the Nexus S, just sharing my opinions. I just wish Google stuck with HTC for the Nexus S, rather than going cheap with Samsung. HTC make a far better quality handset for sure. The plasticky build of the Nexus S is a real let down.
I also think Motorola has turned over a new leaf with the Atrix. They've gone in all guns blazing with a laptop dock and loads of accessories like HDMI desktop docks, etc as well. I do not think they intend to let this handset die off into the sunset without software updates. If they did this with the Atrix, they will kill themselves just like Sony Ericsson did with the X10 line. I will never ever ever ever never ever touch another Sony Ericsson handset for the rest of my life.
Which one would you recon would be a better all around phone
One X + specs http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4976
Nexus 4 specs http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_nexus_4_e960-5048.php
I would go for the nexus 4 but the 16gb space seems too limiting and I love the sense UI but also hate how manufacturers take ages to release the android os updates hence always turn to custom roms and am a frequent flasher.
which one would you also recon has better battery life?
i would compare htc with samsung but not with nexus..
getting a nexus phone isn't only about the specs of the phone,
if u need pure android and fast updates with limited hardware specs then go for nexus
if u need a device for its hardware spec like storage and the ability to increase is then i suggest u go with htc.
since the sgs 1 i got i will never go for other than the nexus samsung left as with their GB and never got updates since then..although we got many custom roms but still not like stock.
at the end it is ur decision be wise and think twice before taking the next step.
GoodLuck
It's your call on the phone. They have pros and cons. The flagship phones usually get updates longer then lower end models. HTC has good hardware. Nexus is bare bones and designed to be minimalist.
Why do people keep saying the Nexus is limited this or lacks hardware that? The Nexus 4 is one of the most powerful devices on the market. In fact, it has the smoothest performance out of all the devices. Do yourself a favor and get the Nexus, If you want somewhat better pictures then get the One X.
1gb of ram is fail, especially on a sense phone where the ui uses a third of your ram from boot
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marwan91 said:
i would compare htc with samsung but not with nexus..
getting a nexus phone isn't only about the specs of the phone,
if u need pure android and fast updates with limited hardware specs then go for nexus
if u need a device for its hardware spec like storage and the ability to increase is then i suggest u go with htc.
since the sgs 1 i got i will never go for other than the nexus samsung left as with their GB and never got updates since then..although we got many custom roms but still not like stock.
at the end it is ur decision be wise and think twice before taking the next step.
GoodLuck
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no sd card
and who says nexus 4 has limited hardware! its a powerful phone mc4 whit max setting(mod) runs at 50-29 FPS
I used to have a one s and a one x...and i would definitely keep the nexus over both. HTC's always get support for like a couple of months after release then just die. Also updates never happen. After the one s and x i'm most likely never going to buy another HTC again.
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How many VS. threads are yet to follow to clutter up XDA Use (for instance) Google and Youtube to search for and compare phones.
doesn't matter anymore
Since Google now updates apps instead of Os, getting a Nexus device no longer matters. Jelly Bean is a mature OS. Nothing really new out there. Rumours are 4.3 will contain minimal improvements. Not as important anymore. Go with phones that has features that matter to you now. Not 2 years from now.
but when 5.0 comes out people will come back to Nexus and bashing the OEM's again for being late because its a major update and that will take awhile.
plus, Seriously considering One X series?? do yourself a favor and get HTC One(M7). else, Nexus it is! spec might not be as good as S4 or One, but definitely smoother than them. We are talking about a device which is optimized/in-sync with the OS itself here.
its a no brainer to choose Nexus 4 for me cuz of the price. and updates are important, cuz you know money doesn't easily come so i have to make it count. i'm a geek so i have to be the latest in software. haha.
Stevedion said:
Since Google now updates apps instead of Os, getting a Nexus device no longer matters. Jelly Bean is a mature OS. Nothing really new out there. Rumours are 4.3 will contain minimal improvements. Not as important anymore. Go with phones that has features that matter to you now. Not 2 years from now.
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Incorrect. Nexus devices so matter. Nexus has one thing that other phones do not and that is the availability of working drivers from the very start.
When Android 4.3 come out, other phones will have broken auto rotate, cellular data, bluetooth, gps or whatever it may be because of the drivers not working properly with 4.3 and when 5.0 comes out, it will be even more significant to the point that it will be a large transition kind of like Gingerbread to Ice Cream Sandwich depending on what 5.0 includes.
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do yourself a favor and get HTC One(M7). else, Nexus it is! spec might not be as good as S4 or One, but definitely smoother than them.
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Agreed with everything else in the comment, but the HTC One is just as smooth as the N4 from what I've seen.
Nigeldg said:
Agreed with everything else in the comment, but the HTC One is just as smooth as the N4 from what I've seen.
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It's not noticeable but the slight stutter is there. I played with One almost everyday. It is fast, with RARE slowdown. Sometimes in loading an app.
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I have both phones and I would suggest to somebody to get the n4 over the x+ in a heartbeat. It's just an overall better phone in fact it's the best phone I've ever had the pleasure of owning. Plus if you are into modifying your your phone with roms and kernels then I do not suggest getting an x+. On the flip side the n4 has a huge development community that is extremely active
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shadymouse said:
Why do people keep saying the Nexus is limited this or lacks hardware that? The Nexus 4 is one of the most powerful devices on the market. In fact, it has the smoothest performance out of all the devices. Do yourself a favor and get the Nexus, If you want somewhat better pictures then get the One X.
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True it is quite powerful, but when I was comparing the N4 to say a used S3, couple of things stood out (And course this could be the same comparison to a One X+)
- No user-removable battery, as such no extendable battery, the N4's powerful cpu can suck down that 2100mA battery pretty easy.
- No micro-SD card , so no readability there, but can put a 64GB into an S3
- No USB-OTG support (so can't just plan on using some 32GB thumbdrive, and you only have a choice of 8GB or 16GB, no 32GB model yet)
That's basically what my take on it, an its usually non-issue to most people.
Far as a N4 vs a One, just in terms of practicality and not doing number crunching, especially since I feel like both of them are rather nice and would likely be happy with either for day to day use.
On the N4 :
1) Extremely easy to unlock the bootloader (fastboot oem unlock, no codes, etc).
2) Extremely easy to add a custom recovery (fastboot flash recovery name-of-recovery.img)
3) Extremely easy to just add a custom rom (boot up into recovery, wipe, adb push what you want, flash)
4) Rather easy to root stock AOSP once you got recovery (TWRP will isntall SuperSu for you, just let SuperSu do the rest)
5) More likely to use the shipped AOSP rom than I would HTC Sense
6) If google says a phone is getting an update, it's getting an update, none of that HTC BS bout Desire-HD getting ICS then all the sudden Nope.
And besides, it's nearly impossible to hard brick a Nexus 4, if you're a flash-a-holic, unlike the HTC One X that my brother somehow hard-bricked (he only had it rooted, nothing more) and just shut down and is a paperweight (I spent maybe 3 weeks on seeing if I could repair it before it got tossed).
You could get an HTC one Google edition
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Sprint Galaxy S3 "Supernexus"
Whiplashh Rom
Look it up.
Whiplashh said:
You could get an HTC one Google edition
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Sprint Galaxy S3 "Supernexus"
Whiplashh Rom
Look it up.
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What price those going to run at anyways? I mean if it's 200-300$ more than the normal edition with Sense, I'd rather get a Nexus4 that already had the same treatment, or wait until the AOSP version been out a while, root a normal OneX+ and then put a rooted AOSP rom based on that release onto it and save a few hundred. (assuming physically both models are the same... though not likely).
Though if the price is at what NewEgg has it at right now (399$ (50% off) for an Unlocked HTC One X+ 16GB) , then it's a bit of a tougher decision compared to the 350$ you'd pay for the N4 16GB. But if it's at the 600-700$ range... I'm going for the N4.
This discussion began in Jan and the person who started this must have bought his phone by now. Shouldn't this thread be closed?
noobdroid_90 said:
This discussion began in Jan and the person who started this must have bought his phone by now. Shouldn't this thread be closed?
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Looks like kamranhaghighi (and maybe LuffyPSP) are to blame for necro-bumpin'
PS: In the searchable interwebs, topics like these rarely stay for the sole benefit of just the original poster. (course that being said I wonder how many other N4 vs HTC One [blank] threads there are).
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In the searchable interwebs, topics like these rarely stay for the sole benefit of just the original poster.
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Noted