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So yesterday I got the email from sprint,followed the link and it took me to a "comming soon" page....WTF. So I call sprint, rep asked someone else in the room and said aug. 20. Then I figured I Might as well confirm contract pricing and stuff. She said that the $10/mo. Fee allows higher speed/wider bandwidth connection even on 3g network locations. Can evo owners confirm or deny this?
She also seemed to hint that we might get some sort of pre-notification/pre-order email if your on that list or whatever, I think its all just some sort of bass aackwords social media campain to keep us talking about it...........epic 4g..epic 4g..epic 4g..epic 4g,can I have my phone now?
Evo 4g still is only at select locations "due to unprecidented demand" WTF. Sprint you better pull your head out of your bass and hook an "early adoptor" up.

ummm, what?

radar5 said:
ummm, what?
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That's what I would've said.
Anyway does anyone know if the Epic 4g is gonna cost that $10 extra a month? It's not really all that big of a deal but I still wanna know.

I'd bet 10$ it will. Its here to stay on 4g phones.

Yes its going to cost the extra 10.

I can assure you that they are no faster on 3g than we are. 3g is '3g' is "3g" is EVDO RevA. The technologies don't allow for one device to be different than than other one. The towers don't give an EVO a priority over a Hero, its just not how things work. If the EVO does get a better speed test its because it can process the data faster, so if a website feels like it loads faster - it probably does - but its all in rendering not in the network.
And yes, the $10.00 fee will be there. I am not sure what everyones big deal is with it. It gives you the ability to hit 4G if you can, its a lot easier for sprint to tell you that you can connect to 4G regardless of where you live than for them to keep track of 4G users and non 4G users.
Given I do think they need a 3g super phone for those of you who are complaining.

All about the fee...
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Kcarpenter said:
I can assure you that they are no faster on 3g than we are. 3g is '3g' is "3g" is EVDO RevA. The technologies don't allow for one device to be different than than other one. The towers don't give an EVO a priority over a Hero, its just not how things work. If the EVO does get a better speed test its because it can process the data faster, so if a website feels like it loads faster - it probably does - but its all in rendering not in the network.
And yes, the $10.00 fee will be there. I am not sure what everyones big deal is with it. It gives you the ability to hit 4G if you can, its a lot easier for sprint to tell you that you can connect to 4G regardless of where you live than for them to keep track of 4G users and non 4G users.
Given I do think they need a 3g super phone for those of you who are complaining.
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Ok so I kind of accepted what she said ( I don't argue with children or uninformed people),but I asked "sooo the fee makes me somekind of priority user?" She replied "yes" I said "ummm ok". Please understand that I'm not saying she was right or truthful. Also when I went into the sprint store to ask about coverage in my little 3 stoplight town they had multiple overlapping signal strength maps on their terminal (3 I think). They were telling me yes your in 3g coverage area, yes your in area for cell modem, hotspot at home etc. Its my understanding all of these devices operate on the same network, but at differant speeds usually, isn't a cell modem plan more than adding data coverage and also faster? IDK maybe cell modem users do have priority.
The reason makes sense to me is because I use to move pretty often and I had a blackberry pearl that I bought when it first came out specifically for use as usb tether modem. Whenever the local high school let out for the day my connection would take a dump, so I would call T-mobile and explain my problem," is there anything you can do, this is a really important work project? They'd say hold on ill try to boost your network priority. I did this 2-3 times a week and it seemed to work, every time I called in I got the same response,T-mo RIM support had their own dept. Back in the day and they were actually quite good. This took place from 4-2 years ago.

Disclaimer
I am not a lawyer, don't play one on tv, and didn't sleep in a holiday inn express lastnight.

harrybozack said:
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You could just choose not to have Sprint. You always have that choice. They aren't adding the fee to current subscribers without possibly using the service. Unlike the other carriers with similar products, the user experience IS very different. I don't know if its your website, or a website you're just fond of. But if you really want to make Sprint pay for their $10 fee, then don't use them. Even with the $10 fee, they still sold out on the Evo, maybe its because their service isn't half-bad for what you do pay for.
Would you complain to the BBB about AT&T just announcing tiered data plans? No, because there is nothing you can do about it. Want an Iphone 4, pay for your extra data you'll use. VZW will go this way soon enough.

They are charging $10 extra a month on all of their 4G phones now. They charge evo $10 extra for the chance to use 4G if you can find it.

Ok so I went to explainthefee.com read the transcript and some other stuff. My guess is that some mid level exec. business school graduate got his hot little hands on a evo, flexed its muscles and decided that they "could/should" charge more. Keep in mind 2 things, firstly these guys running the companies don't understand/care about "fringe users like us" their personal phones are not rooted/overclocked/themed they have no idea!,they may have never bothered using youtube etc. On a smaller screeen device. Secondly the new CEO of sprint turned the company around and wanted to offer the lowest priced plans available with the most everything. They want it both ways and that's why they can't answer a simple question "what am I paying for".
I guess the 10$ is for..........Ummm well were not going to restructure our entire rate plan menu because of one device are we? I mean we signed a contract for 1.5m rate plan pamplets, and those little signs in all the stores.........etc.
I say after the epic is released we start a serious email/bbb campain they don't seem to have any firm ground to stand on. They will raise all rate plans $10 or more and allow us our legacy plans without the $10 fee.
Remember AFTER epic release............... Say 10 days?

Indeed, as far as I know, what they're doing is essentially unheard of in the US. I wasn't into phones as much back in 2002 or so when 3G first got started, but I do know that nowadays you don't have to pay an extra surcharge for EDGE over GPRS, or HSPA over EDGE (apologies for the GSM examples). You pay for Internet on other carriers, plain and simple. It would be slightly easier to take if they at least gave you the choice to not use their 4G Internet, especially since it might not be available where you live anyway, and they may have no plans to make it available.

BTW Thank You harrybozack for explainthefee.com
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explainthefee.com and their efforts.
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gophergun said:
Indeed, as far as I know, what they're doing is essentially unheard of in the US. I wasn't into phones as much back in 2002 or so when 3G first got started, but I do know that nowadays you don't have to pay an extra surcharge for EDGE over GPRS, or HSPA over EDGE (apologies for the GSM examples). You pay for Internet on other carriers, plain and simple. It would be slightly easier to take if they at least gave you the choice to not use their 4G Internet, especially since it might not be available where you live anyway, and they may have no plans to make it available.
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You do realize that when the iPhone 3G came out, they jacked up the cost of the internet plans on AT&T right? I THINK it was $20 for the 1st gen, and $30 for the 3G.

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entropism said:
You do realize that when the iPhone 3G came out, they jacked up the cost of the internet plans on AT&T right? I THINK it was $20 for the 1st gen, and $30 for the 3G.
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Firstly we are Android users, and as such I don't drink from the kool-aid cup of at&t/steve jobs/apple. Secondly at&t aplies their rates evenly on all users. Would I pay more per month
For a i4 vs i3gs?
And in conclusion what product or service is being provided for $10/mo. Or $120/yr Or in my case $240/yr? Am I renting a big screen/fast processor/whatever, in addition to paying for the device and service?

I'm sorry but I'm so tired of reading about the $10 fee, (Did a lot of lurking on the EVO forums before it released)
The $10 sucks, but it does allow you to access 4G in various locations around the country. Out of the 5 or 6 Cities I'm visiting in the next year, 4G is everywhere but Wichita so I won't be missing out.
Even then, paying $79.99 for a plan is still cheaper than what you would pay with AT&T and Verizon.
If you're too upset to pay the fee, it's not that hard to switch to another company that offers a comparable high level android phone and not have to pay that $10. Maybe if you and enough like minded people don't sign up for the 4G phones, it'll make a difference to Sprint.
I just get so tired of seeing these same old complaints from people and then they turn around and get the phone anyway!

So let me explain the fee:
With Comcast/Charter you have different levels of speed you are able to get - you pay more for faster speed. They cannot guarantee that you will get 25 mb/s but - you pay for it any way...theres your explanation. You don't want the fee, don't buy the hardware.
I don't understand the drama.

kgold708 said:
Ok so I kind of accepted what she said ( I don't argue with children or uninformed people),but I asked "sooo the fee makes me somekind of priority user?" She replied "yes" I said "ummm ok". Please understand that I'm not saying she was right or truthful. Also when I went into the sprint store to ask about coverage in my little 3 stoplight town they had multiple overlapping signal strength maps on their terminal (3 I think). They were telling me yes your in 3g coverage area, yes your in area for cell modem, hotspot at home etc. Its my understanding all of these devices operate on the same network, but at differant speeds usually, isn't a cell modem plan more than adding data coverage and also faster? IDK maybe cell modem users do have priority.
The reason makes sense to me is because I use to move pretty often and I had a blackberry pearl that I bought when it first came out specifically for use as usb tether modem. Whenever the local high school let out for the day my connection would take a dump, so I would call T-mobile and explain my problem," is there anything you can do, this is a really important work project? They'd say hold on ill try to boost your network priority. I did this 2-3 times a week and it seemed to work, every time I called in I got the same response,T-mo RIM support had their own dept. Back in the day and they were actually quite good. This took place from 4-2 years ago.
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There is a priority on the network, and it would probably allow you to drop less calls. I think priority 0 is reserved for emergency departments use - but speed would not be affected by it. Just how often you can poll the tower and how likely you are to be bumped off in high traffic.

1: I'm ok with paying $10 extra for decreased latancy/higher network priority. Not ok with "enhanced user experience" BS
2: I am going to sign a contract for @$3840-4000, 2 devices 2yr contract, that $10 fee is $480. If I pay over $500 (after tax) for something, don't you think I should know what it is?
3: Sprint fanboys/employees,how about next time they charge $20/mo (Android 3.0 provides an enhanced-enhanced experience).

Data whore

Free T-Mobile msg: Your usage has reached the data threshold for your rate plan this month. Your speed has been reduced for the rest of this billing cycle.
Anyone else hit this "threshold" ?
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How can there be a threshold when it's advertised as unlimited service? You might consider a complaint to your states AG. Especially with elections coming up.

wow! you must tethering and d/l lots of porn or something. They will limit you after 10gbs. I think. With heavy usage I rarely go over 1gb.

thunderstruck! said:
How can there be a threshold when it's advertised as unlimited service? You might consider a complaint to your states AG. Especially with elections coming up.
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From a T-Mobile store manager, please... read the fine print.
This is directly from T-Mobile.com
Android Unlimited Web*
Includes:
* Unlimited Web access
* Unlimited personal e-mail
*To provide the best network experience for all of our customers we may temporarily reduce data throughput for a small fraction of customers who use a disproportionate amount of bandwidth. Your data session, plan, or service may be suspended, terminated, or restricted for significant roaming or if you use your service in a way that interferes with our network or ability to provide quality service to other users. Some devices require specific data plans; if you do not have the right plan for your device, you may not be able to use data services. 3G coverage is available only in certain markets and on certain devices. Taxes, fees, and additional charges may apply. Domestic use only. See your data plan terms and T-Mobile's Terms and Conditions on T-Mobile.com.

You gotta love marketing and the fine print. Still 10 gb is a lot, and if you go over you get crippled service instead of fees.

thunderstruck! said:
How can there be a threshold when it's advertised as unlimited service? You might consider a complaint to your states AG. Especially with elections coming up.
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It is unlimited service, they're not shutting his data down they are just slowing it down. No where does it say about unlimited 3G service. The only people who are reaching this are the ones tethering and even then they are most likely downloading music or movies.

Yea, I know. The thing is, it's either unlimited or it's not. They are saying both. You should not have to read any fine print, instead of saying unlimited in big letters it needs to say Android 10GB monthly Web. F*** the fine print.

There's actually a lawsuit going on about this: http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2010/08/tmobile_suit.html
Unlimited isn't really unlimited. They just throttle your internet and make it run slower. How the hell do you pass 10GB of bandwidth? You must be tethering or downloading A LOT on it

It's marketing. How can you advertise a 10gb cap? You can't, some of us will understand the concept and will appreciate the forwardness of the carrier, but an average Joe will just get confused and will start asking questions which are not.needed as most average data users on Tmobile will not hit that cap. I am streaming Pandora at the gym 3 hours a day, sometimes tether, browse the web on 3g, I have etc to even get close to the cap.
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thunderstruck! said:
Yea, I know. The thing is, it's either unlimited or it's not. They are saying both. You should not have to read any fine print, instead of saying unlimited in big letters it needs to say Android 10GB monthly Web. F*** the fine print.
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Do you charged overages for using too much data? No. Can you not use your data if you go over 10GB? No. Its unlimited data, T-mobile puts that clause in there to cover themselves so if someone is abusing the service they can restrict them if need be.

rjwisniewski said:
From a T-Mobile store manager, please... read the fine print.
This is directly from T-Mobile.com
Android Unlimited Web*
Includes:
* Unlimited Web access
* Unlimited personal e-mail
*To provide the best network experience for all of our customers we may temporarily reduce data throughput for a small fraction of customers who use a disproportionate amount of bandwidth. Your data session, plan, or service may be suspended, terminated, or restricted for significant roaming or if you use your service in a way that interferes with our network or ability to provide quality service to other users. Some devices require specific data plans; if you do not have the right plan for your device, you may not be able to use data services. 3G coverage is available only in certain markets and on certain devices. Taxes, fees, and additional charges may apply. Domestic use only. See your data plan terms and T-Mobile's Terms and Conditions on T-Mobile.com.
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Hey, store manager, don't get so cocky, and try to throw contract statements in peoples face. I come from a family of attorneys, and just because something is stated in contract doesn't mean the consumer is wrong.
If a cell phone company runs advertisements on tv talking about their unlimited fast 3g, runs print ads talking about their unlimted fast 3g, has store reps advertise unlimited 3g to walk in customers, etc ... you get my point, the average person expects unlimited 3G, not edge. The law in all states specifically says there should be no ambiguity and ambiguity is based upon understanding from a resonable person. I'm resonable, and so are thousands of others who assume when they see advetisements for unlimited 3G, that means unlimited 3g!
I'm happy you have an understanding, but you also work for the company.
All it takes is 1 person, 1 person to fight t-mobile, start a class action law suit, and your pretty little statements are useless.
Now, going back to the person who got the t-mobile message. ARE YOU TETHERING? IF SO, YOU DESERVE TO BE KICKED OFF THE NETWORK FOR LIFE.

Well, he still has data access so I guess that makes it unlimited. I don't see anything unfair about it to be honest. I don't want my data access borked just because a bunch of kids are using their phones to download music and movies from the pirate bay all night.
When you see * it means there's some sort of caveat, and it pays to read to read the fine print.
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r6kid said:
Free T-Mobile msg: Your usage has reached the data threshold for your rate plan this month. Your speed has been reduced for the rest of this billing cycle.
Anyone else hit this "threshold" ?
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Curious .. are you using it for your daily internet use with tether?

Wow, I go over 10Gigs a month all the time... Internet at home got shut off here from roomate downloading movies off of bittorrent. I tether with it all the time, pandora, heck I even play battlefield on my ps3 with it...
Never got a message like that from t-mobile and hope I never do. I totally understand why they would do that though. Did this message come in the mail or via text message?

SamsungGalaxySVibrant said:
Hey, store manager, don't get so cocky, and try to throw contract statements in peoples face. I come from a family of attorneys, and just because something is stated in contract doesn't mean the consumer is wrong.
If a cell phone company runs advertisements on tv talking about their unlimited fast 3g, runs print ads talking about their unlimted fast 3g, has store reps advertise unlimited 3g to walk in customers, etc ... you get my point, the average person expects unlimited 3G, not edge. The law in all states specifically says there should be no ambiguity and ambiguity is based upon understanding from a resonable person. I'm resonable, and so are thousands of others who assume when they see advetisements for unlimited 3G, that means unlimited 3g!
I'm happy you have an understanding, but you also work for the company.
All it takes is 1 person, 1 person to fight t-mobile, start a class action law suit, and your pretty little statements are useless.
Now, going back to the person who got the t-mobile message. ARE YOU TETHERING? IF SO, YOU DESERVE TO BE KICKED OFF THE NETWORK FOR LIFE.
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The only one cocky is you Mr. my dad is an attorney. It all depends on how you interpret "unlimited." Although his speed is crippled, he no doubt has unlimited data--as advertised. It is still via the 3g network. I personally see no legitimate grounds for any suit.

SamsungGalaxySVibrant said:
Hey, store manager, don't get so cocky, and try to throw contract statements in peoples face. I come from a family of attorneys, and just because something is stated in contract doesn't mean the consumer is wrong.
If a cell phone company runs advertisements on tv talking about their unlimited fast 3g, runs print ads talking about their unlimted fast 3g, has store reps advertise unlimited 3g to walk in customers, etc ... you get my point, the average person expects unlimited 3G, not edge. The law in all states specifically says there should be no ambiguity and ambiguity is based upon understanding from a resonable person. I'm resonable, and so are thousands of others who assume when they see advetisements for unlimited 3G, that means unlimited 3g!
I'm happy you have an understanding, but you also work for the company.
All it takes is 1 person, 1 person to fight t-mobile, start a class action law suit, and your pretty little statements are useless.
Now, going back to the person who got the t-mobile message. ARE YOU TETHERING? IF SO, YOU DESERVE TO BE KICKED OFF THE NETWORK FOR LIFE.
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Uhm...What?
It is not advertised as unlimited 3g you should get that strait first. Your whole argument is flawed.
It is advertised as unlimited internet and indeed unlimited internet it is.
Is the op still receiving internet access through his phone? Yes.
Thus it is unlimited.
ARE YOU TETHERING? IF SO, YOU DESERVE TO BE KICKED OFF THE NETWORK FOR LIFE.
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You have a very narrow view on things. For life? really?
All contracts have fine print. OP signed the contract so OP is abided by the contract. If he does not like it he can take this to court but ofcourse was OP breaking the contract? If the contracts states no tethering and the OP is tethering than the OP has no chance of winning.
Tmobile is not doing anything wrong here at all.
If they did however cut off his service or charged extra fees then Tmobile is wrong.

Why is everyone here rushing to tmobiles aid? Kicked off for life? Really? The OP never even said anything negative he just asked if anyone else got the same message.
You all realize tmobile makes plenty of cash right?
Everyone here has a point. Not everything has to be a flame war.
While it might be easier and even more profitable for them to only put this in the fine print they need to be ready to deal with the consequences of misleading consumers. Which I'm sure they are.
Texted While Driving

My concern is that if people star challenging this that we will end up with tiered pricing and hard caps similar to AT&T.
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SamsungGalaxySVibrant said:
Hey, store manager, don't get so cocky, and try to throw contract statements in peoples face. I come from a family of attorneys, and just because something is stated in contract doesn't mean the consumer is wrong.
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I am an attorney myself, and people really need to stop assuming it's a spectator sport. Any lawsuit over this issue is probably bull****, but who knows how it would actually come out - there's a heck of a lot of relevant background you would need to know. It's very difficult to predict. And if assholes with porn addictions or who use 3G data as a substitute for home internet start suing Tmo, we are very quickly going to end up with tiered data plans. Is that what you want?
But please people, stop speculating about lawsuits and holding forth on what the law is if you're not a lawyer. And no, having friends and family who are lawyers doesn't qualify you.

sl0play said:
Kicked off for life? Really? The OP never even said anything negative he just asked if anyone else got the same message.
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Well, im no attorney but personally I think that's too lenient. I feel that anyone caught tethering should be buried up to their necks in mud and stoned to death, and left there for the crows to pick away the remains, and it should be broadcast via real-time web cam as an example to others who might try the same.
If the offending party were to admit guilt only then would there be some leniency, and they would be sentenced to life in prison.
And by life I mean they put you in the cell and weld the door shut.... and that's that. No clothes, no blankets, just a blackberry curve with edge connection.
I'm from the old school.
Tmo for life, bro!
;-)
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Very bad news for AT&T users

Guys I have really bad news for anyone on ANY kind of "Unlimited" data, whether that's an old iPhone unlimited, smartphone unlimited, or aircard/laptop connect unlimited plans:
They are dead. Period.
I used my unlimited laptop connect SIM card in my Galaxy Tab for my mobile connection for, well ever since I've had the device really, and I have had the plan since ye olde Cingular days. My usage varies, but it ranges anywhere from 4-6GB on average, to occasionally as much as 20+GB in a billing cycle.
I received an automated message saying that I was nearing my "limit" for the month, and advised I curtail my usage, lest my service be suspended. Of course the first thought that went through my head was "BULL$HIT!!! I have unlimited usage you bastards!!! It even says so on my bill!!!"
So of course I call in to talk to customer service (politely of course), and immediately asked to speak with a manager. Without going into much detail, here's the skinny:
Since September of this year, if you have ANY "legacy unlimited data plan," users who exceed 5GB of usage on a regular basis: 1. on the first "offense" exceeding 5GB, will be throttled, but will not be charged any overages, and 2. upon the second offense, will receive a notice (usually via text or email) when they are nearing their 5GB threshold, and should they exceed that threshold, could have their service suspended. Should your service be suspended, "the customer has two options: Cancel their plan with a waived ETF (early termination fee) -OR- resume service on an up-to-date tiered plan which is subject to overage charges." <=== Their words.
We all knew that sooner or later, AT$T would find some way of finally killing off the last of the unlimited data users. It seems that day has come... Well, at least I can say I feel really good about using their service with the peace of mind knowing that it didn't matter how much data I used for as long as I did. I know that, for the overages that I -would- have been charged, since unlimited data was done away with, I'd have owed literally tens of millions of dollars!! Don't believe me? I'm serious. The $10/GB overage thing didn't start until about a year and a half ago. My average usage since 2005 is about 10GB a month, so that's $900 for the least 18 months (Ok, big deal...). But before then, it was $.01/KB for overages. So that means that's $10.24/MB (1024KB = 1MB) or $10,485.76/GB (1024MB = 1GB), times the ~5GB of "overages" I would have been responsible for on a monthly ~$52,428.80 basis!!! So lets see, $52,428.80 * 48 months (roughly the amount of time I had data service before the new overage plans.) and we get a grand total of ~$25,16,582.40
And before you ask, yes, I was still going through roughly 10 gigs a month, even back in 2005, even on EDGE speeds. That was my primary internet connection and I torrented EVERYTHING, and listened to internet radio a LOT!
So yeah, ~$25,16,582.40 HA!!! That's MILLIONS of MY dollars staying in MY wallet AT&T!!! You money grubbing bastards!!!
Unlimited Data, we have had good times... You will be missed...
R.I.P

Huh? I have two UK devices, a SGS2 and 3G Tab. I'm on the data for Non-Smartphones unlimited plan at $10 per device with a phone line SIM in my Tab. My average usage is between 4-6GB per device per month. I'm currently at 8GB on the Tab because I've been streaming a lot of video. I've heard nothing from AT&T. What happens data-wise on AT&T has to do with your device, the APN settings you use, and the plan you're on. If you're using a device they recognize by the IMEI than you're subject to audit, especially feature devices. If you're using an international device they have no idea what it is. The 4G APN settings also run through different servers than the Cingular settings with the 4G servers being used as part of the audit process. All their 4G devices since the Infuse have been routed though their 4G servers even though the Cingular APN delivers the same HSPA+ speeds. And since they can't do away with grandfathered plans it makes sense that they'd want to incent people to move off of them by making their lives miserable. One size doesn't fit all when using AT&T for data.

BarryH_GEG said:
Huh? I have two UK devices, a SGS2 and 3G Tab. I'm on the data for Non-Smartphones unlimited plan at $10 per device with a phone line SIM in my Tab. My average usage is between 4-6GB per device per month. I'm currently at 8GB on the Tab because I've been streaming a lot of video. I've heard nothing from AT&T. What happens data-wise on AT&T has to do with your device, the APN settings you use, and the plan you're on. If you're using a device they recognize by the IMEI than you're subject to audit, especially feature devices. If you're using an international device they have no idea what it is. The 4G APN settings also run through different servers than the Cingular settings with the 4G servers being used as part of the audit process. All their 4G devices since the Infuse have been routed though their 4G servers even though the Cingular APN delivers the same HSPA+ speeds. And since they can't do away with grandfathered plans it makes sense that they'd want to incent people to move off of them by making their lives miserable. One size doesn't fit all when using AT&T for data.
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All of my devices are unlocked an imported. I absolutely refuse to use anything that has been tainted by a carrier, so I know it's not IMEI. I have been using the isp.cingular APN for years... ;_;

Jade Eyed Wolf said:
All of my devices are unlocked an imported. I absolutely refuse to use anything that has been tainted by a carrier, so I know it's not IMEI. I have been using the isp.cingular APN for years... ;_;
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Then it's the plan. Assuming you're not bound by a contract, tell them you've changed phones and are now using a Moto Krzr and that you want to move to the data for Non-Smartphones plan. I have friends using it and (so far) no one's been flagged.
P.S. - Are you using a Nexus by chance? Google provides the carriers with a database of IMEI's so it's picked up by AT&T as a feature phone.

BarryH_GEG said:
Then it's the plan. Assuming you're not bound by a contract, tell them you've changed phones and are now using a Moto Krzr and that you want to move to the data for Non-Smartphones plan. I have friends using it and (so far) no one's been flagged.
P.S. - Are you using a Nexus by chance? Google provides the carriers with a database of IMEI's so it's picked up by AT&T as a feature phone.
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GT-i9100 and GT-P7300 here.

isp.cingular is the issue here as it is monitored.
use "wap.cingular" or "phone"

clubtech said:
isp.cingular is the issue here as it is monitored.
use "wap.cingular" or "phone"
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Can't. Tried those already. This is a laptop connect plan, so the only two APN's that work are isp.cingular and Broadband.

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I have really bad news for anyone on ANY kind of "Unlimited" data, whether that's an old iPhone unlimited, smartphone unlimited, or aircard/laptop connect unlimited plans
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The above is a much different statement than you getting flagged on a "Laptop Connect Plan." There's been talk in the ASGS2 and Skyrocket forums about people being flagged but those flagged had previously upgraded their grand-fathered unlimited data plans to 4G and are using the 4G APNs. I thought it was strange that AT&T wasn't applying a surcharge to grand-fathered unlimited plans being used with LTE. Now I know why, they're throttling instead.

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The above is a much different statement than you getting flagged on a "Laptop Connect Plan." There's been talk in the ASGS2 and Skyrocket forums about people being flagged but those flagged had previously upgraded their grand-fathered unlimited data plans to 4G and are using the 4G APNs. I thought it was strange that AT&T wasn't applying a surcharge to grand-fathered unlimited plans being used with LTE. Now I know why, they're throttling instead.
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That's the thing, I haven't upgraded anything at all. Though I wonder if it's just the APN that's causing all the trouble... I've been using the Broadband APN lately (because it's faster), so i wonder if I just go back to using the isp.cingular APN instead they'll leave me alone? Who knows...

That's a lot of money, but not quite tens of millions.
$52,428.80 * 48 months = $2,516,582.40

kcaz said:
That's a lot of money, but not quite tens of millions.
$52,428.80 * 48 months = $2,516,582.40
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Oops! My bad! Lol!

Sick and Tired of Sprint

In about a month I am leaving Sprint due to their terrible terrible horrendous data speeds in south Louisiana. I also have lot's of doubt and trust in their huge Network upgrade and I don't feel like waiting a year more. I'm getting Verizon and the Galaxy Nexus. If you experience similar frustration with Sprint feel free to vent and post speed test results etc. Does anybody know any way to get out of contract without an ETF?

haha, i live in baton rouge and i dont like sprint either. i was thinking of switching to Verizon when my contract ends since they have 4g lte in baton rouge.

Yes their 3G speeds suck but having true unlimited is important to me since I stream a lot of music/video so that makes up for it.

See ya! Jk. Sorry to hear about your speeds but their network upgrade is definitely worth the wait
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No. Will be waiting for their network upgrade. Sprint is the only network which allows a true nexus with wallet. I don't need to be forced with some apps which apparently can not be removed unless you root it.

MrDrumngun said:
In about a month I am leaving Sprint due to their terrible terrible horrendous data speeds in south Louisiana. I also have lot's of doubt and trust in their huge Network upgrade and I don't feel like waiting a year more. I'm getting Verizon and the Galaxy Nexus. If you experience similar frustration with Sprint feel free to vent and post speed test results etc. Does anybody know any way to get out of contract without an ETF?
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If you're on a family plan and receiving employee discount pricing they're raising the price next month giving you a chance to get out without ETF as its a breach of the ToS.

Yup!!
I have been contemplating leaving sprint also. They may have truly unlimited data but in reality you dont use much data via sprint network as it takes forever to load anything in Baton Rouge. O and guess what, the data unlimited plan is not truly unlimited. The will cut off your service if you use over 5 gb (may be less) of data on 3g. It is only the use of 4g which is truly unlimited.
They have been saying Baton Rouge would have 4g since the evo came out and yet still nothing. The sad part is Hammond has 4g and the population is not even 1/8th of Baton Rouge's pop. I doubt BR will ever get 4g.
As far as getting out ETF free, good luck with that. I have tried every way possible with no luck. But what I have not done, which would definitely work, is stream as much youtube and download huge files as much as possible or force your phone into roaming on data and calls for consecutive months

ryandoubleu said:
I have been contemplating leaving sprint also. They may have truly unlimited data but in reality you dont use much data via sprint network as it takes forever to load anything in Baton Rouge. O and guess what, the data unlimited plan is not truly unlimited. The will cut off your service if you use over 5 gb (may be less) of data on 3g. It is only the use of 4g which is truly unlimited.
They have been saying Baton Rouge would have 4g since the evo came out and yet still nothing. The sad part is Hammond has 4g and the population is not even 1/8th of Baton Rouge's pop. I doubt BR will ever get 4g.
As far as getting out ETF free, good luck with that. I have tried every way possible with no luck. But what I have not done, which would definitely work, is stream as much youtube and download huge files as much as possible or force your phone into roaming on data and calls for consecutive months
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where in hammond is there 4g? it does not specify 4g on the sprint 4g map

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If you're on a family plan and receiving employee discount pricing they're raising the price next month giving you a chance to get out without ETF as its a breach of the ToS.
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They are definitely not raising prices
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I have been contemplating leaving sprint also. They may have truly unlimited data but in reality you dont use much data via sprint network as it takes forever to load anything in Baton Rouge. O and guess what, the data unlimited plan is not truly unlimited. The will cut off your service if you use over 5 gb (may be less) of data on 3g. It is only the use of 4g which is truly unlimited.
They have been saying Baton Rouge would have 4g since the evo came out and yet still nothing. The sad part is Hammond has 4g and the population is not even 1/8th of Baton Rouge's pop. I doubt BR will ever get 4g.
As far as getting out ETF free, good luck with that. I have tried every way possible with no luck. But what I have not done, which would definitely work, is stream as much youtube and download huge files as much as possible or force your phone into roaming on data and calls for consecutive months
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No... They are unlimited on anything, how many times do people have to say this. 5gig cap is for hotspot and connection cards
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It's not the price they're raising but the amount you save from your employer discount is going to be a lot less. So it's definitely going to cost you more. They've been doing a lot of things that have been making people want to switch. They charge for "premium" data, completely stopped expanding 4g, scrapped the annual upgrade, killed the premier status, and now this? They're making it really hard for anyone to want to stick around...

The will cut off your service if you use over 5 gb (may be less) of data on 3g. It is only the use of 4g which is truly unlimited.
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not once in my 8 years with sprint have i ever had an issue with going over 5gb which i always do, nor have i ever heard anyone say it happened to them unless they were roaming more then using sprint

3G here in new Orleans has been terrible since 08 but there family plans just beats anyone. And I'm constantly around wifi so its not as bad.
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It's not the price they're raising but the amount you save from your employer discount is going to be a lot less. So it's definitely going to cost you more. They've been doing a lot of things that have been making people want to switch. They charge for "premium" data, completely stopped expanding 4g, scrapped the annual upgrade, killed the premier status, and now this? They're making it really hard for anyone to want to stick around...
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Anything is "a lot less" when people are just looking for an excuse to cancel. The highest discount will be losing $5.40 a month, but those are rare, most people will go down just a few cents to a dollar a month.
I actually like what they've been doing and the direction they're headed, it is putting a stop to all these people talking advantage of what they have to offer. Where I live, my 3G gets over 2Mbps and 4G gets 10 so my unlimited data works great
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No... They are unlimited on anything, how many times do people have to say this. 5gig cap is for hotspot and connection cards
Then why would they send me a letter about my 3g usage and direct me to this passage
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Specific Terms & Restrictions On Using Data Services
In addition to the rules for using all of our other Services, unless we identify the Service or Device that you have selected as specifically intended for that purpose (for example, wireless routers, Data Link, etc.), you can't use our data Services: (1) with server devices or host computer applications or other systems that drive continuous, heavy traffic or data sessions; (2) as a substitute or backup for private lines or frame relay connections; or (3) for any other unintended use as we determine in our sole discretion. We reserve the right to limit, suspend, or constrain any heavy, continuous data usage that adversely impacts our networks performances or hinders access to our networks. If your Services include web or data access, you also can't use your Device as a modem for computers or other equipment, unless we identify the Service or Device you have selected as specifically intended for that purpose (for example, with "phone as modem" plans, Sprint Mobile Broadband card plans, wireless router plans, etc.).
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where in hammond is there 4g? it does not specify 4g on the sprint 4g map
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4g is in the Best Buy area of Hammond. It doesnt show up on sprints map for some odd reason. if you dont believe me go to the area and try it out

If you want out, roam like a mofo. You have to roam a certain percentage in order for them to boot you.
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Specific Terms & Restrictions On Using Data Services
In addition to the rules for using all of our other Services, unless we identify the Service or Device that you have selected as specifically intended for that purpose (for example, wireless routers, Data Link, etc.), you can't use our data Services: (1) with server devices or host computer applications or other systems that drive continuous, heavy traffic or data sessions; (2) as a substitute or backup for private lines or frame relay connections; or (3) for any other unintended use as we determine in our sole discretion. We reserve the right to limit, suspend, or constrain any heavy, continuous data usage that adversely impacts our networks performances or hinders access to our networks. If your Services include web or data access, you also can't use your Device as a modem for computers or other equipment, unless we identify the Service or Device you have selected as specifically intended for that purpose (for example, with "phone as modem" plans, Sprint Mobile Broadband card plans, wireless router plans, etc.).
4g is in the Best Buy area of Hammond. It doesnt show up on sprints map for some odd reason. if you dont believe me go to the area and try it out
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Let me guess, you're tethering and using 50+ gigs a month? That's why you got that.
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im pretty sure sprint is unlimited no limitations

Have you considered moving away from Louisiana?

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Let me guess, you're tethering and using 50+ gigs a month? That's why you got that.
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I dont use tethering on my phone because I have wifi around most the places I go not to mention the data speeds in baton rouge are slower than dial-up, so tethering woudn't be much use. It was one of those months I was downloading a bunch of different roms though.
Sorry to burst your bubble but not all sprint customers are bad customers. I had them send me a letter a time before that to tell me I was using too many roaming minutes the previous months and when I checked my bill for the prior months I only had about 30 or 40 minutes roaming for all the months. I called them and they were at a loss for words

Sprint notice about wireless data usage: Am I in trouble or is this a Bluff?

So I received a letter from Sprint last week that states: "we noticed a type of usage on your account not allowed by our terms and conditions."
Then further stating: "One of the examples provides that our data services may not be used to generate excessive amount of internet traffic through continuous, unattended streaming, downloading or uploading of videos or other files or to operate hosting services including, but not limited to, web or gaming hosting..."
"In order to avoid termination of your service with Sprint, we ask that you change your data use to comply with our terms and conditions outlined above. We will monitor your account to ensure compliance. If a violation occurs after 10 days from the date of this letter, we reserve the right to terminate service on the account listed above without additional notice.
Has anyone else received this letter or one similar? It just seems odd that after almost 2 years of my "abuse" I finally receive this letter about how I'm using too much of "unlimited" data that I pay an extra $10 for monthly.
I'm definitely guilty as charged, and I'd hate for this abuse of mine to severely ruin Sprint's data network but I am only curious to find out how many services have been terminated for such violations. Is Sprint bluffing?

Everyone I know that got those letters was tethering while using vzw prls. But no its no bluff.
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Well that's scary. Do you know if there are any other ways I can tether using other prls?
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If your on a sprint prl your better off staying that way. People that use other prls(Verizon) do it for better 3g speeds but your roaming all the time by doing that. So in your case that would just send another red flag.
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If your on a sprint prl your better off staying that way. People that use other prls(Verizon) do it for better 3g speeds but your roaming all the time by doing that. So in your case that would just send another red flag.
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If the OP was on Sprint PRL's I doubt that (s)he would be receiving this. If you did not change your PRLs check to see if you have roaming on. Sometimes if you're in a place in between coverage spots it'll switch you without you knowing.
If turning off roaming doesn't work and you didn't change your PRL's than one of two things happened: Someone else did or sprint sent the letter to the wrong place. Call sprint and complain about how you have unlimited data blah blah blah. Make sure you mention how you 'were not' tether.
The other possibility is that they noticed an unusual spike in your activity. You'll need to explain to them why you went from 2GB to 20GB. I've never had this problem because ever since I got my phone I've always used 15+ GB a month.

I am quite sure that I am not roaming, the phone notifies you once it goes into roaming. Prl has only been updated a couple times but never manually changed by myself.
Well the letter did say that Sprint reserved the right to terminate my account, not necessarily going to follow through with termination. But the worst case scenario is that I am terminated, then that is the point when I will actually call Sprint. Until then I will continue to do as I have always done considering that it is the 21st (10 days after the letter I got that is dated 2/10/12).
I could bet that Sprint allows "excessive data use" while paying $30 per month for hotspot lol

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I am quite sure that I am not roaming, the phone notifies you once it goes into roaming. Prl has only been updated a couple times but never manually changed by myself.
Well the letter did say that Sprint reserved the right to terminate my account, not necessarily going to follow through with termination. But the worst case scenario is that I am terminated, then that is the point when I will actually call Sprint. Until then I will continue to do as I have always done considering that it is the 21st (10 days after the letter I got that is dated 2/10/12).
I could bet that Sprint allows "excessive data use" while paying $30 per month for hotspot lol
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I actually I remember hearing something in September(guess) that Sprint was gonna have a 5gb cap for hotspot users and it would be 5cents a mb above that. Crazy I know. Obviously hasn't been done yet. Anyway back to the prl. Since you were using Sprint and not a hybrid or Verizon that's not the issue. The user above was right when he said they noticed a spike in your usage. If you constantly streaming movies and hosting something maybe slow down just to be safe. That's JMO
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5GB is a tight cap for the average of 10GB per month.
But according to this table I found on my online Sprint account, my big spike was during the month of December but I slowed things way down the following month in January. Hopefully I can continue not having so much usage but that letter really bothered me. I love Sprint, I wouldn't even consider another carrier after termination.. That's just the unthinkable for me right now.

Yea that's a really tight cap. I can't speak for sprint coverage as I haven't had it in years. I have my 3vo on metroPCS and clearwire for 4g
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Termination Letter
Do you ever kicked off? Was there a solution? I just got a letter too!

If they term you does it let you out of the etf fees? By them terminating your contact if should void that early termination fee, could be a way out for some. Just a thought
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Yes. If you are on a Sprint contract and want out quickly, just use Roam Control or some PRL hack and force it to use Verizon's towers all the time. They'll terminate you without charging you an ETF.

Aside from excessive data roaming on Verizon towers, I'm also hearing stories on this forum of Sprint customers getting warning letters for using torrents or similar programs, even on Sprint's towers. I have never had such issues with my Verizon 4G unlimited data plan. Is this true on Sprint's end?
I wonder how long Sprint will continue to just waive the ETF's for people that excessively roam on Verizon on purpose to get out. Seems like a big money loser to them, doesn't it? Unless you have to return the phone back to them, which I'll assume you have to.

Having not worked for Sprint in a couple years but having friends work there the main issue is that Sprint does not own their own network in many places and where they do the expense of maintaining that network has only increase several fold. They recapture the money through data plans but limit "excessive" users because of the strain. They know power users force a VZW PRL to improve EVDO speeds. What all of this does is force Sprint to pay it's roaming agreements and loose money to other networks. The only way to recapture this money is through it's users who use less data and forcing the data hogs to either comply or go elsewhere. It is cheaper to eat an ETF than have you use "excess" data month after month.

If you are on Sprint legendary grandfather plan. You should be very careful because Sprint will just cancel you line(s) without notice as being a breach of contract. From SlickDeals forums.